The Lady

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Speaker 1 Number one is birthdays. It's great birthdays.
Number two, of course, is seeing how poorly your ex's decisions turned out. Number three,

Speaker 1 I don't know what that is, but a little while ago, a Facebook request pops up and makes me laugh out loud loud. From someone I used to kick it with hard back in the day.
Hang at her house.

Speaker 1 We'd eat these Swanson's Hungry Man microwave dinners on actual TV tracks. She loved them.
Loved them.

Speaker 1 Get all excited about Salisbury steak or the home-style meatloaf, the Swanson fried chicken. Act like it was all tasty delicious.

Speaker 1 I'd help her chase her dog sherbert, always trying to get run over in the street. She had a rule that we could only play board games that we made together.

Speaker 1 We were tight.

Speaker 1 Tight.

Speaker 1 And one night finally,

Speaker 1 watching the Muppets, she loved the Muppets. Watching the Muppets, I reach over

Speaker 1 and I hold her hand.

Speaker 1 For two hours, we just hold hands.

Speaker 1 Then, after I leave her place that night,

Speaker 1 I never see her again.

Speaker 1 I just figure

Speaker 1 life,

Speaker 1 different schools, different states, finally different countries. But no one knew where she went.
Like,

Speaker 1 like she was swallowed up. I was actually scared that maybe something terrible would happen.

Speaker 1 I Google every so often since Google became a thing, but no luck.

Speaker 1 And long last,

Speaker 1 Facebook.

Speaker 1 So we trade numbers, I call, and it's like old times, giggling on the phone, like back in high school, talking about who did what, when, arguing over the official rules of this gang we made called Tim Tuck 3.

Speaker 1 Gossiping about people I haven't seen in decades.

Speaker 1 And when the conversation finally slows down, she says,

Speaker 1 I think I owe you an explanation.

Speaker 1 Huh?

Speaker 1 For hiding from you.

Speaker 1 Hiding?

Speaker 1 I just thought, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 I knew you were looking for me.

Speaker 1 My mom told me whenever you left a message. But back then, the closer we got,

Speaker 1 the more afraid I became.

Speaker 1 The more terrified I would drown you under my own darkness. I felt empty and I knew I would hollow you out too.

Speaker 1 Like a ghost.

Speaker 1 We stay quiet then.

Speaker 1 Both of us on either side of the line, not having any more words to say, but neither of us wanting to stop talking.

Speaker 1 I ask her, hey, hey, stay in the line, okay?

Speaker 1 I'm going to walk to the store. You go to the store too, alright?

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 We both go to our respective grocery stores.

Speaker 1 I get your Salisbury steak.

Speaker 1 Cheese to fried chicken.

Speaker 1 Spook stock

Speaker 1 stock

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 what if someone you love, someone you care about, can't give words to what they experience?

Speaker 1 How do you help them?

Speaker 1 Our next story takes us down south to Little Rock, Arkansas. Stacey Kinsler is a photographer.

Speaker 1 She and her husband, their three-year-old daughter, Maybrie, they're looking for a new house to call home.

Speaker 1 A place where they can make memories as a family.

Speaker 1 But some houses

Speaker 1 have memories of their own.

Speaker 1 It's food.

Speaker 18 We reached a point where we kind of felt like we outgrew our little house that we got as a starter home and started looking around and saw the cutest little house.

Speaker 18 It was built in 1941 and it's just very much a cottage home. It has a cute little screened-in porch off to the side.

Speaker 18 It has the cutest front door that's arched and original hardwood floors.

Speaker 18 I loved it immediately,

Speaker 18 but it didn't feel like mine.

Speaker 18 When we were walking through the house, it just sort of hit me in my gut: this just isn't my house.

Speaker 18 It was a very clear feeling to me.

Speaker 18 And so we left it alone and kind of waited patiently for something else to come up. And not a lot came up during that time.
And the summer passed,

Speaker 18 and we went back and decided we would go ahead and make an offer on it. And so we did.

Speaker 18 And it became ours.

Speaker 18 When it came time for us to move into the house, I was just really excited because

Speaker 18 the street was so cute and the house was so cute, and

Speaker 18 that gut feeling of this house isn't mine. I kind of pushed it aside and was just really focused on being excited.

Speaker 18 So, Mabry, she started school early. She started when she was two years old, which was not necessarily in our plan, but it's what happened.

Speaker 18 Mayberry was diagnosed with autism

Speaker 18 and she had a profound speech delay.

Speaker 18 Her communication was very limited, and we got her into speech therapy.

Speaker 18 She started to go to school full-time.

Speaker 18 So, had a lot of time at home, just

Speaker 18 being there alone, just me in the house.

Speaker 18 So I am at home working, editing photos,

Speaker 18 and just decided I would come out into the living room to check on the dog and see what he was doing.

Speaker 18 He had the little bed in front of the fireplace, so I walked in to the living room, and we have an old cuckoo clock that was over the the fireplace and the pendulum had broken

Speaker 18 and for the first time in years saw that the pendulum on it was swinging

Speaker 18 it hadn't done that I can't remember the last time that it worked

Speaker 18 so I noticed that and thought it was really odd

Speaker 18 what on earth made it swing.

Speaker 18 I pulled out my phone and took a video of it and sent it to my husband, and he had no answer for that either.

Speaker 18 As time goes on, I start to see lights flickering and

Speaker 18 hear floorboards creaking.

Speaker 18 It was little things like that that were odd and strange.

Speaker 18 It was just something that makes you go, huh? Okay, that was weird.

Speaker 18 There's one night when I'm going to bed and I crawl into bed after a long day and was about to fall asleep and heard

Speaker 18 the latch on the door hit up against the door frame.

Speaker 18 It's as if something has pushed against the door, but it catches.

Speaker 18 And I feel a presence

Speaker 18 like

Speaker 18 something has come into the room.

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Speaker 18 It's that feeling that, you know, you know when someone's looking at you or you know when someone's entered the room.

Speaker 18 I feel anxious and panicked. My adrenaline starts rushing.

Speaker 18 I turn on the light to see if there's anything there and there's nothing there.

Speaker 18 So, Wendell and I are sitting on the couch. We got Maybory to bed.

Speaker 18 And we would sit down, watch TV.

Speaker 18 Just relax, enjoy our evening together after she had gone to bed.

Speaker 18 As we're sitting there on the couch,

Speaker 18 I heard the door

Speaker 1 open.

Speaker 18 And I thought, okay, so she's getting up. She's going to come out here and talk to us or try to get us to come back in there and get her back to sleep.

Speaker 18 But she never does. So I got up and went to her room and found her just standing in the doorway.
And I say to her, What's going on? What's wrong? And she says, It's the lady.

Speaker 18 And I say, What lady?

Speaker 18 The lady on the dresser.

Speaker 18 My first instinct was to say, Was it somebody outside, like in the window? Was it the neighbor?

Speaker 18 And it was a no.

Speaker 18 And that was very

Speaker 18 unnerving because Mary wasn't telling stories at that time.

Speaker 18 The information that she shared with us was

Speaker 18 always with a purpose.

Speaker 18 She was communicating in a way of like communicating needs.

Speaker 18 So, when she said that she sees a lady in her room,

Speaker 18 and I had been experiencing the things that I had experienced in the home,

Speaker 18 the hairs on the back of my neck stood up.

Speaker 18 but my mother instincts kicked in, and I just wanted to help her get back to sleep and comfort her.

Speaker 18 And so, I was like, Okay, well, that you know, that sounds scary, but you're okay. And mom and dad are here, we're just in the next room, we can leave the door open.

Speaker 18 I'll lie back down with you for a little while and help you get back to sleep. And so, that's what I did.

Speaker 18 It happens about once a week.

Speaker 18 Other nights, when she wakes up, she comes to us. She comes to us and, you know, tells us whatever it is that she needs or gets a drink or whatever.

Speaker 18 But on the nights when it was the lady, she would never come.

Speaker 18 She would just stand in the doorway.

Speaker 18 And so I would get up and say to her, What's going on? And she would say, It's the lady.

Speaker 18 at that point I was scared

Speaker 18 it made me reach out to the former owner of the house on Facebook and just say did you ever have anything odd happen here or

Speaker 18 and she wrote me back and said you know I hate I hate that I didn't say anything to you about it at the time, but yeah, we did. We had weird stuff happen there.

Speaker 18 They would hear noises around the house, creaking in the floors, similar things to what we had experienced.

Speaker 18 She was in the kitchen and the sink came on

Speaker 18 and no one turned it on.

Speaker 18 She had a baby. and the baby had the same room that Mabry has.

Speaker 18 And she said that she would be changing the baby's diaper and pick up the baby, and the baby would be looking over her shoulder, making eye contact just a few feet behind her, but nobody was there.

Speaker 18 I wasn't angry at her. Honestly, I felt validated because it was like, okay, so it's not Mabry having dreams.
It's not me just walking into a room and seeing random things happen.

Speaker 18 It's we're not the only ones here that this has happened to.

Speaker 18 So of course I'm sharing all this with my friends, my close friends, because it was all so bizarre and scary.

Speaker 18 Jordan, one of my best friends, grew up on that street that we live on. and she lived a few houses down.

Speaker 18 I was on the phone with Jordan and I was telling her about the things that we had been experiencing in the house and that Mayru was seeing the lady. She immediately thought of Miss Kelly,

Speaker 18 the lady that lived in my home back in the 90s.

Speaker 18 And so I was very intrigued.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 I said, well, tell me about Miss Kelly. Like, what was she like? Who was she?

Speaker 18 You know, did you know her well? And she said, yeah.

Speaker 18 My mom and I would make dinners for her because she was elderly. She had lost her vision.
And she was unable to do that for herself.

Speaker 18 And so

Speaker 18 she would pack up a plate of food and take it down to Miss Kelly.

Speaker 18 Jordan would bring her meals until Miss Kelly passed away away and our home was the last home that Miss Kelly lived in.

Speaker 18 And of course, we both wondered: is the lady Miss Kelly?

Speaker 18 Having a name and an idea of who this person was that is in my house,

Speaker 18 I started to feel compassion towards her.

Speaker 18 However, I did not want her scaring my daughter. I wanted that that to stop.
That had to stop.

Speaker 18 So Mabri, as she was in school, it changed our lives. It was like once she understood what communication was about, it started to really take off for her.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 now she's able to explain what she's feeling and all those things that I wondered about when she was little.

Speaker 18 And so

Speaker 18 every so often, after things had calmed down, I would say, Do you remember the lady?

Speaker 18 I was just so curious.

Speaker 18 And she would just shut it down.

Speaker 1 She was like, Yep, I don't want to talk about that.

Speaker 18 It was a couple of years ago, and

Speaker 18 I just felt like I would ask her again to see if she was ready to talk about it because it was something that was unresolved

Speaker 18 for me with her.

Speaker 18 And I said,

Speaker 18 Do you remember the lady? And she was like, Yeah.

Speaker 18 And I said, Do you feel like talking about that?

Speaker 18 And she said, Yeah.

Speaker 18 And so I just said, Well, just tell me what you remember.

Speaker 19 So I remember

Speaker 19 my mom would put me to bed, she would read me a story, then she would like tell me good night, turn off the lights, and then close the door, and I would fall asleep not too long after that.

Speaker 19 But then, there's one night where

Speaker 19 I would wake up,

Speaker 19 and there's this woman sitting on my dresser across from my bed.

Speaker 19 She looked pale to the point where

Speaker 19 she just looked like a sheet of paper. And she had like old scraggly hair and it was like gray, dirty, you know.

Speaker 19 She was wearing this black hood type of dress.

Speaker 19 She looked kind of upset.

Speaker 19 Like she was disappointed. My mind was racing.
I could feel the adrenaline, like, kick in.

Speaker 19 Because I was like, oh, what do I need to do next? Or like, what's going to happen? Or like, is she mean? Is she nice?

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Speaker 19 I kind of sat there for a moment and just kept watching her, and that's when I decided I should just get up and go try to talk to my parents about it.

Speaker 19 But I didn't really know exactly how to talk to them about what

Speaker 19 happened.

Speaker 19 I've always

Speaker 19 kind of, I've been like an internal person, so I don't love to like be like, oh my gosh, there's like someone in my room. I don't want to scare them.
Because I thought that'd make it worse.

Speaker 19 I thought waiting by the door would be better than to just go tell them.

Speaker 19 So I kind of felt more safer like just being like right right outside my bedroom.

Speaker 19 Whenever my mom did see me by my door, we went back in my room,

Speaker 19 but the woman is gone. She's disappeared.

Speaker 19 I want to say, like, maybe a week or two later, my mom is putting me to bed

Speaker 19 and she tells me good night,

Speaker 19 turns out the lights, and then shuts the door, and then I fall asleep.

Speaker 19 But I wake up

Speaker 19 and then she was on the ceiling, stretched out like an ex.

Speaker 19 She looked the same.

Speaker 19 She was wearing the same clothes, but I could see her face better. I could see all the details of her face.

Speaker 19 Pale,

Speaker 19 dark eyes.

Speaker 19 She was looking at me and she had this like huge, creepy looking smile on her face.

Speaker 19 It was a way bigger smile than like a normal person would smile and it looked way too big for her face.

Speaker 19 Almost like up to her like nose.

Speaker 19 It just looked evil.

Speaker 19 I kind of felt like I wanted to vomit because it was just like that disturbing.

Speaker 19 I was scared she was gonna fall off the ceiling and fall on

Speaker 19 me.

Speaker 19 And then after that, she would be in my room everywhere. Like, she could be like, you know, sitting on my bed, sitting on the dresser, which I feel like is common for her.

Speaker 19 Or she would be on the ceiling.

Speaker 19 One night I woke up.

Speaker 19 The lady

Speaker 19 was inches from my face.

Speaker 19 And she was screaming so loud, like on the top of her lungs. And it was like a blood-curdling scream.

Speaker 19 I could see her mouth, like the inside of her mouth, really well, because she was so close.

Speaker 19 Her teeth looked rotten. It's like she hadn't brushed them in like several years.

Speaker 19 And she had this smell,

Speaker 19 like,

Speaker 19 from every part of her body. Kind of like something was decaying.

Speaker 19 I just bolted for the door.

Speaker 19 I could still hear the screaming as I was running towards the door, but then as soon as I opened the door and I stepped out of my room,

Speaker 19 the screaming stopped.

Speaker 19 So I was like,

Speaker 19 she's gone, but I felt like she was still around. Like I could still feel her presence.

Speaker 19 I just didn't feel safe anywhere.

Speaker 18 So one night we're watching TV, and Mabri's in bed and we hear the door open.

Speaker 18 I get up knowing we're gonna have a lady conversation and I go back and I get her in bed and I say, okay, so what's going on? She said it's the lady. And I said, well, what happened?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 19 I was asleep and I woke up and I could feel her sitting on my bed.

Speaker 19 She looked at me and she just told me that she didn't like my mom, like she was kind of announcing it to me.

Speaker 19 I don't like your mom.

Speaker 19 I was like extremely terrified at this point.

Speaker 19 Because I'm like,

Speaker 19 is she going to hurt my mom?

Speaker 18 I did go back into the living room and sat down and told my husband what Mabry had said. And, you know, of course he thought that was scary.

Speaker 18 We just tried to go back to watching TV and go on about our night.

Speaker 18 It's very hard to focus on the show.

Speaker 18 It was hard to go to the bathroom alone or lie down in bed and go to sleep and have that feeling of there's something in my house, and whatever it is doesn't like me.

Speaker 18 Not long after that, Jordan and my friend Lori came over. We were gonna watch a movie.
So we were all sitting on the couch, and I was giving them the latest update on the lady.

Speaker 18 Jordan just said out loud to the house,

Speaker 18 Miss Kelly, it's Jordan.

Speaker 1 Remember me?

Speaker 18 I used to bring you dinner, and I was like, This is my friend Stacey, and she's a good person, and her daughter's a sweet girl, and her husband's a good man, and these are my friends.

Speaker 18 I wasn't ready for that, and I got really uncomfortable. I thought, you don't, please don't do that.
Just stop. Like,

Speaker 18 you're either going to make her mad or you're going to stir her up. But the opposite happened.

Speaker 18 Things changed after Jordan talked to Miss Kelly.

Speaker 18 I would say that the atmosphere in the house, it felt

Speaker 1 more like my home, you know.

Speaker 18 The coziness of the house became

Speaker 18 cozier.

Speaker 18 It all just felt a little bit calmer and more peaceful.

Speaker 18 And maybe no longer saw the lady.

Speaker 18 It stopped after that.

Speaker 19 Like, I had the anticipation of her showing up.

Speaker 19 I felt like if I would say anything about her, it would somehow like bring her spirit back.

Speaker 19 So that's why I never really talked about it.

Speaker 19 As 10 years went by,

Speaker 19 I was like, oh, it is official. She isn't coming back.
Which is what made me think, oh, I feel safe talking about it now. Like a weight has been lifted off

Speaker 19 of my body. Like, that's kind of how it felt, you know.

Speaker 18 To hear her tell it now, I think it brought up different emotions. One was

Speaker 18 amazement at her and what she's been able to overcome and her

Speaker 18 ability to communicate. That part of it is cool.
The other part of it was that's really scary

Speaker 18 and

Speaker 18 that was heartbreaking. You don't want your daughter to have to see those kinds of things.

Speaker 18 But her

Speaker 18 ability to talk about it and not be afraid, that was what gave me peace about it.

Speaker 18 The story was complete, kind of, you know, the holes were filled in and it did feel like closure, scary closure, but closure nonetheless.

Speaker 18 So it was the spring, and

Speaker 18 I had gotten in bed and was about to fall asleep, and heard the door press against that latch

Speaker 18 and

Speaker 18 felt just a presence in the room.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 18 I picked up my phone and turned on the flashlight and shined it around, and nothing was there.

Speaker 18 This didn't feel scary the way that it used to. It didn't feel threatening.

Speaker 18 So I just turned the flashlight off and went to sleep.

Speaker 18 The next morning, Maybree said, I think I saw the lady again.

Speaker 19 So I was asleep and I woke up. I turn towards the doorway

Speaker 19 and I see this

Speaker 19 figure in a white dress.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 19 now looking at her, I realize it is the lady.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 19 she actually had, I think, a little bit of makeup on.

Speaker 19 Like, her face looked a lot better.

Speaker 19 It didn't look as pale.

Speaker 19 And then, like,

Speaker 19 her hair looked better too. And it looked pretty.

Speaker 19 It looked like someone actually took care of her.

Speaker 19 So I saw her and she was just looking at me, but she would kind of like slowly fade away, but then slowly appear again,

Speaker 19 like headlights flashing on a car, but like really, really slowly.

Speaker 19 She didn't really have like

Speaker 19 a smile on her face, but she didn't look upset either. She just kind of had like a neutral expression on her face.

Speaker 19 It definitely seemed a lot kinder.

Speaker 19 I was confused, but I wasn't scared.

Speaker 19 I was just kind of like laying there, like, that's so strange, like, that she's there, and it's been 10 years.

Speaker 18 And then

Speaker 19 I went back to sleep after that.

Speaker 18 I think that the lady appeared again to let us know that she is at peace.

Speaker 18 It's been a long road.

Speaker 18 She knows the family that we are,

Speaker 18 and

Speaker 18 I think that she has made peace with us being there.

Speaker 18 But even though things have calmed down in the house, we still feel her around.

Speaker 18 We still have lights flicker. We still have footsteps in the hall.

Speaker 19 I feel like it's just sort of become like a thing to us now. Like it's

Speaker 19 not new.

Speaker 19 We don't feel like

Speaker 18 we need to hide from anything.

Speaker 19 Like we feel more safe, like it's our home.

Speaker 18 Wendell gets a little more scared now than he used to, which is funny to me.

Speaker 18 He'll just kind of make a noise like, oh, I don't like, I just don't like it.

Speaker 18 I'll just look at him and like shrug my shoulders. Like, there she goes again.

Speaker 18 At some point during all of this, I decided to sage the house. It felt like housekeeping almost.

Speaker 18 We've reached a new point in all of this, and saging any negative energy just feels like one good last step.

Speaker 18 I walked all through the house and prayed over it, and just, you know, put my energy into it. And as soon as I was done, as soon as I put it out, I laid down on my bed.

Speaker 18 And the air conditioner is right outside of the bedroom window, and it just

Speaker 18 exploded.

Speaker 18 Big, huge bang,

Speaker 18 sparks.

Speaker 18 I do think it was Miss Kelly telling me to back off.

Speaker 18 I think to me, at that point, it was like I've made peace with y'all living in my home,

Speaker 18 but I'm still gonna be here, and

Speaker 18 don't try to push me out.

Speaker 1 I almost had the laugh of like, okay, okay.

Speaker 18 Sorry, I'm sorry. I won't do that again.

Speaker 18 We'll make peace with you if you make peace with us. I'm sorry.

Speaker 1 Thank you, Stacey, and thank you, Mabry, for sharing your story with the spook. Make no mistake.
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