Episode 277

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Speaker 3 Okay, are you looking at her, sir? What happened there?

Speaker 3 Okay, tell me what happened.

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Speaker 3 Hi, my name's Mike. This is my show.
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Speaker 3 And today we're going to

Speaker 3 discuss a very interesting story, but I'm going to warn you in advance, I'm going to offer my opinion. I'm going to offer my opinion a whole lot.

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Speaker 3 Is anyone really who you think they are?

Speaker 3 Today, we present just the very best moments of our lives on social media for the world to see. But that's not really the whole picture, is it?

Speaker 3 There's a lot more to us than what we show.

Speaker 3 What we show can be intentionally deceiving sometimes. That's why it's important not to believe everything you see online, especially if it's coming from an anonymous source.

Speaker 3 That influencer that you follow that puts on makeup while talking about someone's death.

Speaker 3 Yeah, she cries sometimes. Yeah, maybe she's even depressed.
Maybe her life's fallen apart behind the scenes and you don't even know it.

Speaker 3 Looks can be deceiving. And no, I'm not talking about anybody in general.
There's lots of makeup tutorial true crime shows out there. Sadly.

Speaker 3 But But the point is that sometimes people aren't who they seem to be. Monsters are very much real, but they aren't always the person

Speaker 3 you first suspect.

Speaker 3 It was 8:30 a.m. on October 28, 2012, and a Florida firefighter had just returned home after a grueling 24-hour shift to find out that his house had been turned upside down.

Speaker 4 How did she hurt herself?

Speaker 4 She's cut herself or something. Come on.
Okay, let me get you on the phone rescue.

Speaker 5 One moment, Dan.

Speaker 4 Kim!

Speaker 4 Oh, you got it.

Speaker 3 The firefighter had come home to find his wife, Kim, lying bloody at the foot of their bed.

Speaker 3 She was naked, except for a white cotton shirt, which had been pushed up around her neck, exposing her upper body.

Speaker 4 Okay, sir, tell me exactly what happened. I don't know if this guy commits suicide, then rescue 50, and lost any fire, and come on, sir.
We are sending rescue.

Speaker 4 You have to tell me exactly what she did. What happened? I don't know.
She either cut herself or something. I can't see.

Speaker 4 I'm trying to to figure the out okay are you with her right now yes i am okay how old is she i don't know she's 44 that doesn't make a difference good rescue kim had blood all over her face and hair at first glance it appeared that she had tried to hurt herself

Speaker 3 so that's what her husband told dispatch her body was cold and posed like a fallen ballerina with one leg curled, frozen in a pirouette.

Speaker 3 Kim had two white zip ties around each of her wrists and one around her ankle. Kim's husband had found himself on the receiving end of a tragedy.

Speaker 3 As a firefighter, he experienced tragedy every shift, but it was much different now that it was happening in his own home, and he was growing increasingly angry as he waited for help.

Speaker 4 Sir, we are sending rescue. Is she awake? No, she's not.
I said she's dead. Okay, is she breathing? No, I'm trying to get to CPR justice, but don't try to talk to your ass.

Speaker 3 This is when Kim's husband began to realize that his wife was dead.

Speaker 4 Rescue.

Speaker 4 Rescue. Yes.
We're on the phone because when I asked him what was going on, he didn't tell me she tried to commit suicide. So we're on the way, too.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 4 All right, sir. Go ahead and continue with CPR.
We do have rescue on the way.

Speaker 4 He said he was a fireman. He said he was

Speaker 4 off-duty fireman. What is your last name, sir?

Speaker 3 His name was Derek Dorsey. He was 44 years old and had been married to his wife, Kim, for a decade.

Speaker 3 Now she lay naked and dead in their master bedroom. The realization of what was happening made Derek soften a little, and he finally let the tears out.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 4 Okay, sir, so you think she's beyond any resuscitation? She has been she rescued.

Speaker 4 Yes, rescue's on the way, okay? You know what's happened?

Speaker 4 Oh, fuck me.

Speaker 4 All right, rescue is on the way.

Speaker 3 This wasn't another shift as a firefighter. This was his house.

Speaker 3 His bedroom was covered in his wife's blood. Derek finally saw the situation for what it really was.

Speaker 3 He had just lost his wife, and he had no idea what had happened.

Speaker 4 All I know is the business was fucking tongues missing.

Speaker 3 Kim and Derek Dorsey had a large upscale house in a gated community. Because they had no children, only three miniature schnausers, the couple couple were free to focus on their careers and self-care.

Speaker 3 They had a gym, a bar, a billiard room, a big office, and a tanning room. All the fine luxuries in modern living.

Speaker 3 Kim had her own construction company and also worked as a director of training for the Quality Assurance Department of Inspection Depot. The Dorseys had a pretty comfortable life.

Speaker 3 The Dorseys also kept guns in the home for safety. Kim had one in a drawer beside her bed and now it was missing.

Speaker 3 Kim had no bullet holes in her, but there were obvious shots that had been fired into the walls.

Speaker 4 Oh my god, I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 4 So, which door is open?

Speaker 4 Are y'all dead by this door? D-R-A-W-E-R.

Speaker 4 Okay, it's just hard to understand something, you know, when you talk a little loud and get a little distorted, that's all.

Speaker 4 I don't want to talk to anybody right now. Well, it's our job to sell the phone to the officer to get there when it's this type of call, okay?

Speaker 4 Jesus Christ.

Speaker 6 Yeah, Ruskie's here. She's here.

Speaker 3 All right. When help arrived, Kim was quickly taken to the medical examiner's office.
When Rescue lifted her body, they found a broken pool cue underneath her.

Speaker 3 Police began to search the house and found more peculiarities besides the plastic zip ties on Kim's body. The house was a mess.
A dog statue at the front door had been kicked over.

Speaker 3 Derek's home office had been destroyed. Paperwork was thrown everywhere and drawers were ripped open.
In the guest bedroom, there was blood on the mattress.

Speaker 3 Police also found a half-drunk bottle of Bacardi rum on the nightstand and cigarette butts on the floor. But neither Derek nor Kim smoked.
In fact, Kim despised smoking and forbade it in the home.

Speaker 3 Christmas wrapping paper had been tossed out of the closet and chucked onto the floor. Downstairs, the kitchen sink had been filled with TV remote controls for some reason.

Speaker 3 In the billiard and games room, a custom pool cue was missing from its place on the shelf. It was the same one found under Kim's body.

Speaker 3 After days of looking into this bizarre scene, the the police needed more to work with. Perhaps this was a robbery gone wrong.

Speaker 3 So they went to the public.

Speaker 6 Coming to you today because several days later after that beginning of that investigation, we are not a whole lot farther along than we were Sunday morning.

Speaker 6 I would like to solicit the public's help for information on this case.

Speaker 6 This case has garnered quite a bit of attention because of the fact this is a public servant's family member who's killed. The public has shown a lot of interest and support thus far.

Speaker 6 We wanted to come forward at this time asking for help. Again, we worked that scene for several days, nearly around the clock.

Speaker 6 And like I said, because of the lack of witnesses, the physical evidence, nothing has led us a whole lot farther today.

Speaker 6 in identifying relations to a suspect than we had that Sunday morning.

Speaker 6 And again,

Speaker 6 again, this is a public servants family member, and we want to make sure that anybody who has that information can come forward and help us.

Speaker 6 These types of crimes occur.

Speaker 6 People have tend to talk about them. Family members talk about them.
Acquaintances with the suspects. The suspect in this case would talk about it.

Speaker 6 Somebody knows something somewhere.

Speaker 3 Kim's murder was brutal and messy. As police continued to examine the scene and talk to Derek,

Speaker 3 they found even more weird things.

Speaker 3 Derek's custom Harley-Davidson Zippo lighter was missing from its box. Whoever did this to Kim had clearly stolen it.

Speaker 3 Yet, they'd left Derek's Rolex watches on the nightstand and his computer untouched. In the garage, they found a lonely wives' porn magazine, which Derek swore was not his.

Speaker 4 How much evidence of foul play?

Speaker 6 Substantial.

Speaker 6 Can you describe some of that? I would prefer not to.

Speaker 6 Keep minded that

Speaker 6 there's just about anybody out there who could be our suspect, and I don't want to let too much information to answer your question out.

Speaker 6 Again, too much information can be bad in this particular incident, but know that there was substantial indications of foul play, and obviously it's being worked out as a partner.

Speaker 3 Kim's head and face had been brutally beaten. Her breasts were bruised and her ribs were fractured.
She had died from one deep fatal stab wound to the neck.

Speaker 3 When detectives asked Derek to turn on his DVD player in the living room, he expected to see a movie he and Kim had been watching pop up on the screen.

Speaker 3 But that didn't happen. Instead, a porn movie called Lonely Wives came up.

Speaker 3 Derek got angry. Motherfucker, that should not be on there.
That's the same magazine that's out in the garage.

Speaker 6 It is a gated neighborhood, so there may be some people in that actual neighborhood who we haven't spoken to.

Speaker 6 If there's relative information that anyone has regarding the activities that Kim may have had that Saturday to that Sunday, we would certainly like to speak with them as well.

Speaker 3 Now, the police had their work cut out for them.

Speaker 3 In the meantime, Derek prayed that somebody somewhere knew

Speaker 3 something.

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Speaker 3 Derek Dorsey had returned home from a 24-hour firefighting shift to find his wife Kim beaten and stabbed to death in their upscale home. The house had been ransacked, but in strange ways.

Speaker 3 The police found remote controls in the kitchen sink, as though someone had attempted to wash them. Zip ties around Kim's wrists as well as a pornographic movie in the DVD player.

Speaker 3 None of Derek's Rolex watches or computers had been taken.

Speaker 3 It seemed that whoever killed Kim stuck around the house for a long while after drinking and smoking and watching a porn movie called Lonely Wives.

Speaker 3 I haven't seen that one. I wonder if there's a part two or three or four.

Speaker 3 Derek Dorsey was cooperative with the police. He admitted that things between him and Kim were not so great.

Speaker 3 Then again, every couple goes through tough times at one point or another.

Speaker 3 But Derek had been kind of sleeping around with other women behind her back. Maybe Kim knew.
Maybe she didn't.

Speaker 3 But he swore that he still loved his wife deeply.

Speaker 11 She was a strong, beautiful, independent individual, worked hard for everything she ever did. She was a productive member of society.
This is just the type of person that she was.

Speaker 3 Derek said he had nothing to gain from Kim's death. There was no life insurance policy to be cashed out or a new girlfriend to move in and take Kim's place.

Speaker 3 Plus, Derek's alibi was solid and actually checked out. He was working at the fire station during the murder.
So, who did this? Derek and Kim were a career-oriented couple.

Speaker 3 They had no kids, just a few dogs, and both worked in the construction world.

Speaker 3 Kim had a degree in civil engineering and headed up quality assurance for an inspection depot, where she helped Floridians prepare construction for hurricanes.

Speaker 3 Derek ran his own general contracting business on top of being a firefighter, so they had a lot of cash. But Kim took her work very seriously, and it soon weighed on her.

Speaker 3 She couldn't turn off work, and she found herself taking antidepressants. She gained a lot of weight.
Her body changed, and her mind didn't feel so great.

Speaker 3 The week she was killed, she was planning on going back to the doctor to switch up her medication.

Speaker 3 The side effects were taking a major toll on her physical and mental health that's why derek immediately thought she'd killed herself when he came home to find her you know dead okay sir tell me exactly what happened i don't know if you guys commit suicide then rescue busy and lost duty fireman come on but kim's death was not a suicide The state of the house told a story of turmoil.

Speaker 3 Kim had clearly fought off whoever had attacked her. She'd even managed to get a gun at one point and fire off some rounds at her assailant.
But she missed, and the bullet hit the wall.

Speaker 3 It was also determined that Kim had been raped. She died from blunt force trauma to her head and a fatal stab wound.
This attack was as personal as it is sickening.

Speaker 3 Derek ran a general contracting business and often employed various young guys on quick jobs. He gave the police a few names, including Joshua Veal and Lance Kirkpatrick, or LJ, as he was called.

Speaker 3 Lance actually lived with the Dorseys at one point, and Derek said that he would have taken a bullet for Kim.

Speaker 5 So, tell me when you lived with them. When was that?

Speaker 5 Okay. So, who lives at the house besides him and her? They got kids? No, they don't have kids.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 now do you have a car no no car all right so would he take you to work or i mean like take you to the job site he'll take me to the job side sometimes if i'll like depending on where i'm saying he'll come pick me up or i don't know

Speaker 5 so roughly how long now if you know kim as long as you know uh derek they've been married the whole time yeah no no they've been married the whole time i remember pretty much i met

Speaker 5 who'd you meet first well i met derek first because i was working on his house you know

Speaker 5 they moved in this is before they moved into the house the house okay like they were building that house together Yeah, okay, I got you. I got you.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Lance said that he met the Dorseys when he worked on their house. Then Derek would call him to come do random jobs for his business.

Speaker 5 How long ago did you say? What did you say Elizabeth? Maybe a month, month and a half. Okay.
Not even. I mean, I just went and cleaned.
Matter of fact,

Speaker 5 been probably less than a month because I just went and cleaned the room. You know, he called me like a week or two ago, asked me to come clean the room up upstairs.
okay

Speaker 5 leave the trash or well i didn't leave the trash but i still had some clothes up there he didn't need a bath for me to be cleaned you know you know regular cleaning stuff like that okay so you went and did all that

Speaker 5 when did you do that

Speaker 5 uh probably two weeks ago two weeks ago okay lad said that he hadn't been to the dorsey's house since he cleared out his stuff so you you you move out When you move out, where are you living when after you move out of his place?

Speaker 5 I went and stayed in the apartment, at home. That's okay, that's when you stuck dealing with Brian.
Yeah, okay, I got you.

Speaker 3 Lance said that he'd been staying with a new friend named Brian Kiefer. As he told police after leaving the Dorseys, he'd become a bit of a vagabond.

Speaker 5 Where do you live? I'm just wherever I can stay. Okay.

Speaker 3 When the police were on to Lance, they didn't just bring him in for fun. You see, Lance had told Derek that he was on a shrimping boat in Georgia when Kim died.
but that wasn't true.

Speaker 3 He was in Jacksonville staying with his buddy Brian. Brian wasn't the most savory guy, put it that way.
He was straight-up sketch. And the police soon got a hold of Brian and brought him in to talk.

Speaker 12 There was a person that you know by the nickname of LJ. Do you know his real name?

Speaker 7 It's Lance Kirkpatrick, but there is a middle name. Okay.
I forget what it was.

Speaker 12 And he goes by the nickname of LJ. LJ.
And do you have a nickname that you go by? Is that money?

Speaker 7 Yeah, just whatever the black people gave me. Okay.
I mean, no racist comment. No problem.

Speaker 3 The woman that money, aka Brian, is talking to is black.

Speaker 3 Just for context. Anyway.

Speaker 12 But the black people call you money?

Speaker 7 Just like the circle of drug dealers, that's the name they gave me for some reason. So I let it be that way.
That way I know that's the people that are talking to me, you know? Alright.

Speaker 3 Brian was your typical Floridian drug dealer. Think GTA 6, if you're a gamer.
He was thin and tanned with a shaved head. He did the entire interview with his shirt off because...

Speaker 3 Because he wanted to. Because he wanted to show off his cool tribal tattoos, you know?

Speaker 3 Maybe because he fancied himself hot. I don't know.

Speaker 3 I don't really know what goes through certain people's heads, but he just sat there with his shirt off and everyone else in the room was wearing normal clothes.

Speaker 12 I want to direct your attention to Florida, Georgia weekend. Do you remember that weekend

Speaker 12 last past?

Speaker 12 Did you

Speaker 12 have an occasion to see, I guess, a lady by the name of Melissa give her keys to LJ?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 3 Florida, Georgia weekend was the weekend of Kim's murder. For those of you that aren't southern trash like me, let me translate.
It's a big football thing. That's really all you need to know.

Speaker 3 Lance said he was on a shrimping boat that weekend, but he wasn't.

Speaker 12 Okay, and what kind of car does Melissa have?

Speaker 7 A rat for

Speaker 7 Toyota.

Speaker 12 Okay. Do you recall what color it is?

Speaker 7 Like navy blue, but it's older, so it's a little faded. Okay.

Speaker 12 To your knowledge, was that did Melissa give LJ those keys on Friday?

Speaker 7 Saturday morning.

Speaker 12 Saturday morning.

Speaker 7 At 4.30 a.m.

Speaker 12 4.30 in the morning.

Speaker 3 The police had been at a standstill in their investigation, so they began checking security footage from the gated community where the Dorseys lived.

Speaker 3 In the morning, a few hours before Derek found his wife, they saw the same blue RAV4

Speaker 3 driving on their street.

Speaker 12 Did you know where LJ was going?

Speaker 7 To pick up drugs for the black male that was in the house with Melissa.

Speaker 12 Okay. Did he come back with the drugs?

Speaker 7 No.

Speaker 12 And did that concern you?

Speaker 7 Yes.

Speaker 12 Was that unusual for him not to come back?

Speaker 7 Very unusual because he

Speaker 7 was one of my employees and like

Speaker 7 never had done anything wrong, period. Okay.

Speaker 12 And was the girl, Melissa, was she getting concerned too about her car?

Speaker 7 She was a crackhead, so she was just driving me up the wall. All right.

Speaker 3 So, you get the picture. Lance and Brian were into some shady meth business.
Brian's house acts like a hub for users to stop in, pick up drugs, do some, and then leave. Lance

Speaker 3 is staying there and working for Brian because construction and everything else in his life has slowed down.

Speaker 3 Now,

Speaker 3 Brian was involved in the drug world, but he also ran a legit business, too.

Speaker 12 How long have you known LJ?

Speaker 7 Three months. He worked for me.

Speaker 12 And how'd you

Speaker 12 met him, how?

Speaker 7 I met him when I was at a

Speaker 7 drug dealer's house. I went over there to pay.

Speaker 7 I helped GC get off heroin for three months, and I went and paid off all his debts so that he could be my partner in my business. and

Speaker 7 one of the black gentlemen there stole my vehicle so I was kind of stuck there

Speaker 7 and that's where I met LJ and he kind of explained to me what was going on there and that he was having a crappy life and that he didn't want to be involved in that and if I could please help him and I was like

Speaker 7 I give you my word, buddy.

Speaker 7 I will try my hardest to help you in life. And when I leave here, I'll take you with me if you want and put you to work.

Speaker 12 And what kind of business do you have?

Speaker 7 BK foreign.

Speaker 7 So I pretty much had do complete home remodels, but my main focus is flying.

Speaker 3 So you start to get a picture of the kind of life Brian is leading. Flooring by day, meth by night.
When Lance met Brian, he was technically homeless, using occasionally and going down a dark path.

Speaker 3 On the night of the murder, Lance takes Melissa's car to pick up some more drugs, but he never comes back.

Speaker 3 That same car is seen on Derek Dorsey's street.

Speaker 12 Now,

Speaker 12 at some point in time, were you so concerned that you went out with a person by the nickname of T

Speaker 12 to go look for LJ in a cab?

Speaker 7 Yeah, I spent $480

Speaker 7 for about four hours of riding around in the cab looking for LJ everywhere. He's been to, went,

Speaker 7 everything.

Speaker 12 And were you able to find him?

Speaker 7 Didn't find a trace of him.

Speaker 12 Okay. And then you ultimately, I guess, go home and go to sleep? Is that what happened?

Speaker 7 After you met him? I didn't want to go home because I didn't want to face my girl or the girl that cars got taken from. So I went to my mom's.
All right.

Speaker 7 And then I had my girl brought over to my mom's. And then I was hoping the other girl would go.

Speaker 3 The other girl, Melissa, did go eventually. but she was pissed.
Despite being a crackhead, Melissa called the police to report her RAV4 stolen.

Speaker 3 She told them exactly what had happened and gave Lance's name. That's how the RAV4 ended up on the police radar, and how Lance's name clicked when it showed up on the report.

Speaker 12 My next understanding is that you get a call from LJ on Sunday. Is that right?

Speaker 12 Is that a yes? Yes, ma'am.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 12 And what does he tell you when he calls you on Sunday?

Speaker 7 We need to meet and tells me the location and

Speaker 7 the gate on South Side in Touchton.

Speaker 12 Okay, and do you go to the gate on Southside?

Speaker 7 I go there and get her city tit and Gator City cab and he's standing out front and he tells me, Do I need to

Speaker 3 go ahead?

Speaker 7 Okay, he tells me

Speaker 7 that

Speaker 7 Damn me, pause it.

Speaker 7 No, okay, what? Okay.

Speaker 7 He tells me that he murdered somebody and just pretty much

Speaker 7 is going to prison and there's nothing that can be done about it. I'm saying,

Speaker 7 I said, what do you mean you murder somebody and your life is over and you're going to prison? He's like, I'm going to prison.

Speaker 3 Brian was skeptical. Lance wasn't exactly the most credible person, and they were both, well,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 sketchy i'll just use the word sketchy is your son dead

Speaker 7 is your ex-wife dead am i dead is my fiancé dead

Speaker 7 no right

Speaker 7 and he's like no

Speaker 7 and i was like so there are people you care about still in the world and he said yes and i said so why don't you focus on those people for now

Speaker 7 Buy your heads running in circles and I don't even know if you're telling me a story or not

Speaker 7 You know, because you've been out drinking, you have your

Speaker 7 knuckles broken, you know, and why don't you just focus on right now, this moment? What do you want to do? If you're going to prison,

Speaker 7 but you're not turning yourself in, what do you want to do right now?

Speaker 7 Do you want to watch the game? He's like, yeah,

Speaker 7 I want to get a beer and watch the game. I was like, all right, I'll buy you a beer and watch the game.

Speaker 3 As they were talking, Brian noticed how bad Lance's hand looked.

Speaker 7 This bone was sticking out of his hand.

Speaker 12 Was he trying to treat it at all?

Speaker 7 It looked like he had cleaned himself up really good.

Speaker 12 So the last time you saw him, he didn't have any injuries to his hand.

Speaker 7 He had a cut on his hand, but he did not have a broken finger.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 7 He was scared that the DNA would have gotten on the body.

Speaker 12 And then he made those statements to you. Did you have any idea if those were true or not?

Speaker 7 I

Speaker 7 didn't know if he had just gotten into a fight. He didn't say that it was a woman.
If he had said it was a woman, then I would have, you know, kind of reacted more, you know. But

Speaker 7 just coming there, kind of looking drunk, kind of just, you know,

Speaker 7 he was just really like slow.

Speaker 7 You know, wasn't giving me no info. You know, the only thing he said was, I'm going to prison.

Speaker 12 So he looked like he had drank alcohol?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 Okay. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 7 But I think he had drink alcohol after the fact.

Speaker 7 You know?

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 he didn't tell me nothing about how the murder happened at that point.

Speaker 3 That's when the two parted ways. But Lance would return to Brian's mom's house later to watch that Florida, Georgia game.

Speaker 7 He came over and uh

Speaker 7 I made him uh

Speaker 7 two hamburgers and

Speaker 7 a drink and I walked upstairs and he was curled up in a ball sleeping. Okay.

Speaker 3 Lance hung out for a few days, but the two never talked about the murder again.

Speaker 3 Then Brian saw something on television about Lance's boss's wife committing suicide.

Speaker 12 Did you ever learn about this case at all?

Speaker 12 I think you said you thought it was a

Speaker 12 suicide. I said

Speaker 7 suicide on it. Okay.

Speaker 12 So, is that all the information you have from that?

Speaker 7 That's when I completely thought he was bullshitting. Okay.
You know, because how can you make a murder look like a suicide if somebody shot that you?

Speaker 7 It made no sense.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 7 And so there's gunshots involved.

Speaker 7 I don't know. I don't.
That's where it just kind of clicked in my head: like, maybe he's losing it. Who cares?

Speaker 3 So, essentially, Brian forgot about the whole murder thing and just moved on.

Speaker 3 Then Lance brought it up again and things got serious.

Speaker 12 Well, let me ask you about the conversation that you end up having. You said a couple days after he was over your mom's house.

Speaker 12 Tell me, like, where y'all are when you have the conversation, the more detailed ones of your mom's house.

Speaker 12 And what does

Speaker 12 he say at that point?

Speaker 7 He says,

Speaker 7 he didn't say say her.

Speaker 7 He just said,

Speaker 7 I hit it.

Speaker 7 I swooned the pool stick so hard,

Speaker 7 it broke in 12 pieces. And it's a $2,000 pool stick.

Speaker 3 No details of the crime have been released to the public yet. Brian was telling them things that only the killer could have known.

Speaker 3 Like the broken pool cue, which was later found under Kim's dead body.

Speaker 12 Didn't say why he was over there first, did he?

Speaker 7 Yeah, he said he was over there to pick up his son's

Speaker 7 PlayStation 3 and Xbox and games and some clothes for his son.

Speaker 3 At one point, Lance had been married and he had a young son from that relationship. Apparently, when he went back to the Dorseys to collect his son's things, Kim

Speaker 3 wasn't happy.

Speaker 7 He said that the lady was gonna call his boss that

Speaker 7 was at the fire station. Yeah, her husband.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 I guess he took her cell phone, is what he said. He said, I took her cell phone

Speaker 7 and I told her to get out of my way that I just wanted my stuff

Speaker 7 and told her to leave me alone, that I just wanted my stuff.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 pretty much he just goes into

Speaker 7 I don't know whether he hit her with that pool stick,

Speaker 7 but he kind of emphasized swinging the full stick okay and then he emphasized being shot at five times

Speaker 7 and then he said that he was waiting for the sixth shot because he knew it was a revolver okay but when he heard the window open

Speaker 7 he thought the lady was going out through the window he ran in there and beat her with his hand and then stabbed her

Speaker 3 The story was sparse and patchy, but the details matched up. The broken pool cue, the five bullet holes in the wall, and

Speaker 3 the blood on the window.

Speaker 7 Why was she shooting at you?

Speaker 7 But I didn't really want to question him because I didn't want to stop him from telling me stuff. Okay.

Speaker 7 Like I'm interrogating him, you know. Right.

Speaker 12 So, and at the same time, I didn't really believe him let's let's go back to what he was telling you though he says that um I guess she shoots at him he hits her

Speaker 12 and it stabs her where does he say he stabbed her

Speaker 7 I believe in the neck okay

Speaker 7 the upper

Speaker 7 facial neck area so somewhere her neck or above yeah okay

Speaker 12 does he say how many times once

Speaker 7 okay well he just says I stabbed her. Okay.

Speaker 7 And then

Speaker 12 what does he say? Does he say that she was dead, or does he say anything about that?

Speaker 7 He said the lady was saying, stop.

Speaker 7 You're killing me.

Speaker 3 Brian's statement secured Lance as the killer. But still, the question of why remained.

Speaker 3 Why was Kim so angry when Lance showed up at the house to get his things?

Speaker 3 This was someone that Derek had told the cops would take a bullet for Kim.

Speaker 3 Derek had nothing bad to say about Lance, so why was Kim threatened when he showed up at her house?

Speaker 3 Brian had revealed the details of the gruesome attack, and he was about to give police a glimpse into the motive. And it didn't make Derek

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Speaker 3 Florida firefighter and general contractor Derek Dorsey had come home to find his upscale home ransacked and his wife, Kim, brutally murdered.

Speaker 3 The couple's former employee, Lance Kirkpatrick, had been seen driving a stolen car to the Dorsey's house on the day of the murder.

Speaker 3 And now his former boss, Brian Kiefer, had told police that Lance admitted to the murder. Without Brian, the police didn't have much.

Speaker 3 They had to keep him talking.

Speaker 12 And then, what does he say happens next?

Speaker 7 He said he was just so out of it, he stayed there for two hours waiting on the police to get there.

Speaker 7 And then

Speaker 7 he left and then went back there two hours later because he realized he left his phone there and then he cleaned up around there.

Speaker 12 What did he say he did to clean up?

Speaker 7 He just said he cleaned up. He said he

Speaker 7 put a phone in a trash impactor or trash disposal.

Speaker 12 A garbage disposal? Garbage disposal.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 12 But he did do something with her phone?

Speaker 7 Yeah, no, he took her phone in the beginning. Okay.
Because he tried to call her husband.

Speaker 3 He tried to call her.

Speaker 7 She tried to call her. She tried to call her.
Okay.

Speaker 3 There it was again. When Lance showed up at the Dorsey's house to get his son's things, he told Brian that Kim got so upset, she started threatening to call Derek at work.

Speaker 3 But Derek had told police that Lance was a good guy who would never do anything to Kim. Then Brian revealed something sinister.

Speaker 7 And

Speaker 7 he had said that

Speaker 7 her husband always cheated on her.

Speaker 12 The husband cheats on her?

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 12 He did tell you that.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 7 And that him and

Speaker 7 the husband had sex with a prostitute at a job about a week and a half ago.

Speaker 7 And I said, well, then he probably doesn't really care about her.

Speaker 7 And he was like, no, he cares about her.

Speaker 7 That's all that was said about that.

Speaker 3 Derek had admitted to police that he had affairs, but no one knew that he was having threesomes with prostitutes and his employees. Maybe Kim had known about what Lance and Derek had done.

Speaker 3 Maybe she was upset about it when he showed up to their house. What the police did know from the evidence was that LJ showed up unannounced after a bender and demanded his son's things.

Speaker 3 We can assume that Kim was frightened and threatened to call Derek.

Speaker 3 which resulted in Lance attacking her. We don't know how or why, but he did.

Speaker 3 The fight escalated and Lance tied Kim to her bedside table with zip ties.

Speaker 3 As he ran around the house, Kim managed to get out her revolver and shoot five times. Then she pulled free and tried to escape out the window.
That's when Lance entered the room again and killed her.

Speaker 7 In the beginning I made a stupid comment. I was like, was there any motive for you doing this? You know, I was trying to get a reason why you would kill somebody, you know?

Speaker 7 And he was like, nope, there was no motive at all. It was just the wrong person in the wrong place at the wrong time.
And they got in the way of me getting my stuff from my son. I'll always regret it.

Speaker 7 I was getting everything I could out of him because

Speaker 7 I'm not going to sit there and let somebody get murdered.

Speaker 7 Even though I thought he was a good person,

Speaker 7 I'm not going to just sit there and let somebody get murdered.

Speaker 12 Did he say he purposely did not take something?

Speaker 7 Yes, he said he purposely didn't take anything, so it wouldn't look like it was him there, you know. Like, if he would have taken anything from his room,

Speaker 7 it would have looked like it was him.

Speaker 7 So,

Speaker 7 of course,

Speaker 7 he said that,

Speaker 7 you know, they were gonna look at it like it was the boss that killed her or something, you know.

Speaker 3 Like, Lance hung around the dorsey's house for hours after he murdered kim

Speaker 3 he left and came back

Speaker 3 he watched that porn movie and he raped kim

Speaker 3 then he tried to wash the remote controls of his dna

Speaker 12 he didn't think things through exactly i mean he was drunk and high when he did this in fact he was out of his mind I think earlier I stopped you when you were trying to say that he was concerned about his his DNA being there because he was.

Speaker 7 Because he had punched holes in the wall like two days previous at my place

Speaker 7 because Luther Hines kicked the door in

Speaker 7 to my house

Speaker 7 because

Speaker 7 that's a whole nother story. But anyways, that's why he punched holes in the wall.

Speaker 12 And then cuts on his face.

Speaker 7 Okay. So he thought the DNA from those cuts when he punched the lady's face, I guess, was cut open.
He thought that they were going to piece it together, and that's how they were going to catch him.

Speaker 3 Lance's DNA was eventually found all over the house. He drank from bottles.
He left cigarette butts on the carpet. He didn't really try to clean up very much.

Speaker 7 Does LJ smoke? Yes. What does he smoke? When I met him, he smoked Marvel Reds.
Now he smokes Marlborough Special Blind 72s. Do you smoke?

Speaker 7 I smoke Marlborough Ultralites, and he pretty much since he hasn't had money. He's been spoke at my Marlboro Ultralites, too.

Speaker 7 So, those are his three brands he would be around.

Speaker 3 Right after they spoke with Brian, Lance was picked up. The police expected him to be silent, but he talked.
He started yapping.

Speaker 3 I guess he doesn't know the golden rule we keep repeating here:

Speaker 3 don't talk to cops.

Speaker 5 When's the last time you were over at Derek's house?

Speaker 5 I went over there

Speaker 5 a week ago maybe a week and a half ago looking for him

Speaker 5 see what he was see if I could get some money from get a phone and stuff like that but he wasn't home okay who was there I thought him was her truck was outside but nobody answered the door

Speaker 5 So did you go inside to let yourself in? No, no, no.

Speaker 5 The key wasn't even there. Where's the key supposed to be? It's supposed to be a part of the dog right there.
Where's

Speaker 5 the dog where? There's a little dog about like a big dog by the door. So they hid your key there? Yeah.
Okay. And you looked there to see if it wasn't there? And it wasn't there.

Speaker 3 Lance admitted to the police that he knew where Kim and Derek kept their extra front door key. Under the dog statue.

Speaker 3 Now, if you recall, that particular statue was kicked over during the murder.

Speaker 5 It was all starting to come together you remember what day it was that you went over there and did that

Speaker 5 yeah it was georgia florida georgia florida so it was georgia florida was right before the game okay so on that saturday yeah on that sun right before the game okay so you went over there and you said you're going over to sleep there yeah to sleep about four miles or to try to get some work out time gets some well uh work was usually how it goes they're like okay i can use it for a day this week here's some cash okay and that's how we usually do it what time did you go over there that day

Speaker 5 that was right before the game was probably around one or two one or two okay yeah all right that was and that's saturday that's such a word of torture weekend did you watch the game yeah i watched the game where'd you watch the game i watched the game at brian's mom's house okay all right what is lance's strategy here is he trying to admit he went over there to account for his dna and then trying to set up an alibi by watching the game at brian's this is seriously an unintelligent man.

Speaker 5 She drove you over? Yeah. In what? In her little car? What kind of car does she have? A little blue SUV? A little blue SUV.

Speaker 3 My lord.

Speaker 3 The lies.

Speaker 3 Melissa's car is the one he stole. Just in case you forgot.
Oh, hey, Lance.

Speaker 3 What are you doing?

Speaker 5 What if I told you I didn't believe all your story?

Speaker 5 All the story? Well, what part of the story don't you believe? Well, the part about how you got over at Derrick's house on Saturday. Okay.

Speaker 5 With Melissa's truck?

Speaker 5 Okay, okay. How did I get over there? Well, I know he had Melissa's truck.

Speaker 5 But Melissa wasn't in that truck.

Speaker 5 Well, Jay,

Speaker 5 we're avoiding the big question here.

Speaker 5 I've been asking the question since I got here. Yeah, I know you have been.
Okay.

Speaker 5 But let's go ahead and let's get to this next step here, okay? Yeah, all right.

Speaker 5 I know you went inside the house last Saturday. Or two Saturdays in the court of the door.

Speaker 5 Okay.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 5 And you're good friends with Derek, right? Very good. Okay, very good.
And I know you're talking to people. Okay.
All right. You got to remember, I talk to a lot of people, okay?

Speaker 5 i spent

Speaker 5 all freaking day today talking to people okay all right and people talk okay and people tell us things okay

Speaker 5 all right

Speaker 5 and

Speaker 5 i know that you went inside the house okay

Speaker 5 yeah okay

Speaker 5 when we talk to people we talk to a lot of people We get a lot of information.

Speaker 5 All right.

Speaker 5 And then we look at our evidence. Okay.
Yeah. Do you know how a cell phone works?

Speaker 5 Basically, tell me how a cell phone works.

Speaker 3 This is when the cops had to explain to idiot drug addict Lance

Speaker 3 that his phone is a tracking device and it follows him wherever he goes, leaving a digital footprint. It's amazing that people on Earth in 2024

Speaker 3 still aren't aware of that. Must explain our current state of political affairs.

Speaker 3 They also had to explain to this drain on society that there was evidence at the scene, like security camera footage, and that the evidence didn't really look all that good for him.

Speaker 5 Everybody has a side of the story.

Speaker 5 We have to afford you an opportunity for you to tell us your side of the story. Okay?

Speaker 5 That's what we have to do. What story? I don't.
We'll get there. It's not costing you nothing to listen to me talk, right?

Speaker 5 You follow me? Hey, guys. Okay.

Speaker 5 When I say you're not a monster, I know this because you talked to somebody and told them what happened.

Speaker 5 Okay?

Speaker 5 We've spoken to him, and he's already told us what you said.

Speaker 3 And with that, Lance is pretty much done. He stopped talking.
But the detective still swabbed his cheeks to confirm the DNA and arrested him for Kim's murder.

Speaker 6 Good morning. Thank you all for coming out on Noah Busy News Day.
On Sunday, October 28th, 2012, at about 8.32

Speaker 6 in the 3,600 block of Eastbury Drive, 38-year-old Kim Marie Dorsey was found dead by her fire rescue husband. If we actually received information after that,

Speaker 6 some of that information that we received led us to a person who we had some knowledge of, a person who had in the past lived with the victim and her husband.

Speaker 6 That person is 31-year-old Lance Eugene Kirkpatrick.

Speaker 6 With that information, we actually found, over the next days after we got that, a subject who was an associate of Kirchenpatrick's who cooperated with investigators in this case.

Speaker 6 The cooperation he provided was substantial.

Speaker 5 It really broke

Speaker 6 our case and led us to make the arrest of Kirk Patrick for the murder of Kim Dorsey.

Speaker 3 Derek was beside himself when he found out that Lance was the one that killed his wife.

Speaker 11 I howled like some wounded animal caught in a trap because of the betrayal.

Speaker 3 He held up photographs of Kim to the camera and let the tears roll.

Speaker 11 This is the person you took away from me.

Speaker 11 Her family and everyone else. Kim taught me so much.
I just wish I could have been a better person for her.

Speaker 3 It took two years for Lance's family to get to trial.

Speaker 3 He made it a living hell for Kim and her family members, dragging out the proceedings with lies and various tactics in order to attempt to save himself from prison. In the end, it didn't work.

Speaker 3 He faced a courtroom for the rape and murder of Kim Dorsey, and he was sentenced to three life terms for his heinous, disgusting crime. Derek spoke directly at Lance during the sentencing.

Speaker 3 The man he had once considered a buddy, so close that they even had sex with the same prostitute at the same time, was now going to jail for murdering his wife.

Speaker 3 And yes, I did say prostitute, not sex worker. Because no matter what your social media told you, fucking ain't work.

Speaker 11 For two and a half years, I've stood by and watched the defendant prolong the proceedings with lies, beswitching Kim's name, and even snitching on every person he knows in order to save his own skin.

Speaker 11 Good luck with that reputation in prison, Hill Jane.

Speaker 3 Derek attended grief counseling after Kim's death and began working with a psychologist who would later become his new wife. The two started a mental health practice together.

Speaker 15 And Derek Dorsey is now director of operations for a local mental health care counseling facility, and he's also still a firefighter, but has less than a year before retirement.

Speaker 15 He says above all he wants to thank everyone involved in his case. The prosecutors, the detectives, he said they were all amazing.

Speaker 3 Everyone in this tragic story was a different person than they presented to the world.

Speaker 3 There's a lot of that going around in 2024.

Speaker 3 Especially after an election, I might add.

Speaker 3 Derek was a firefighter and a business owner who had a beautiful house and a beautiful wife, just like David Byrne.

Speaker 3 yet behind her back, he was cheating on her with many women and even having sex with prostitutes, with his seedy employees.

Speaker 3 Kim seemed like a happy, successful businesswoman, but inside she was crumbling and fighting a terrible depression. Brian looked like a sketchy Floridian drug dealer and a roofer,

Speaker 3 but he was the hero of this story.

Speaker 3 He rescued men who were down and out, and when one of them confessed to a murder, he immediately turned him in. He actually had a conscience.
Sometimes, looks can be deceiving. And Lance?

Speaker 3 Well, Lance was a troubled, sad man who may have been grateful for the help that the Dorseys gave him, but he committed a brutal, disgusting act towards Kim and will never truly understand why.

Speaker 3 Monsters are real,

Speaker 3 and could be anyone.

Speaker 3 Heroes are real, too,

Speaker 3 and they don't always come looking like you'd expect.

Speaker 3 That does it for yet another one. Thank you so much for joining us once again.

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