Episode 265

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It's not that I observed anything, it's just the picture is, I mean,

amazingly close. I mean, it's, you know, it looks just like my brother.

Sword and Scale episode 265. Let's go!

Well, you simply haven't lived until you've cowered in a small closet with three cats and your significant other, thinking you're gonna die in the next five minutes.

Yeah, for a second there, I thought episode 264 was gonna be the last Sword and Scale ever. I'm lying.
I wasn't thinking about Sword and Scale at all.

In fact, I was thinking about death, the imminent death that was coming via tornado. I'm not lying when I say this.
The entire sky turned black. It turned to night in the middle of the day.

And this was the entire city of Houston. And if you've ever been to Houston, you know how fucking big it is.

When we emerged from that closet, it was literally like a bomb had gone off. But we're still here.

So go check out the latest episode of Sword and Scale Television, Television, episode 3, Shiri Cyberson.

Before the next Twister hits, I hear Big Daddy government's doing some weird shit with the weather. Just look at Dubai two weeks ago.

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Sarasota Springs sits in the western coast of Florida. about halfway between Tampa and Fort Myers.

Sarasota, being so close to the ocean, ocean, is beautiful. It's lush and green in some areas, specifically the safer inland neighborhoods in the suburbs.

Blocks upon blocks of residential neighborhoods house a community of about 15,000 residents. Sarasota Springs is arguably one of the best places to live in Florida.

Specifically if you're raising a family. There's lots to do.
The beach is right there, and crime rates are low. February 1st, 2004 was Super Bowl Sunday.

Josh Groben saying, You raised me up right before the kickoff of Super Bowl XXXVIIIII, a game between New England and Carolina. That year, the game was in Houston, my hometown.

The song choice and location of the game were tributes to the seven astronauts who lost their lives in the tragic Space Shuttle Columbia disaster exactly one year prior.

Just to set the scene with pop culture landmarks, this was also the Super Bowl that featured Janet Jackson's infamous nipple slip.

Remember that one? It's weird how you remember where you were during moments like that. And I'm sure you'll remember that all of the supermarket tabloids obsessed over this for the next several weeks.

Many residents of Sarasota Springs, like the rest of the country, were tuning in for the game, having parties, eating buffalo chicken wings, and drinking beer, but light, of course.

As the tranquil hush of the Sunday evening sunset enveloped the surroundings, the unexpected cries of a terrified mother, desperately searching for her child, shattered the serene silence.

11-year-old Carly Brucia, a sixth grader at Macintosh Middle School, was staying at her her friend Danielle's house off of B-Ridge Road, just a little over a mile from where Carly and her family lived.

Just after dinner time around 6 p.m., Carly and her friend got into a little tiff over something trivial. But being a kid, her emotions were very real to her, and she was angry.

Carly abruptly decided she wanted to go back home and watch the Super Bowl with her family, so she called her stepdad, Steve Canzler, and told him she wanted to come back, which, during the game, isn't annoying at all.

A couple minutes later, Connie calls, says Carly's standing across the street. Come pick her up.
You remember what it was like being a kid, right? I mean, it hasn't been that long.

Emotions feel twice as intense.

At least twice, I mean, probably more like five times. And you have almost no patience whatsoever.
Carly was mad, and she wanted to go home right that minute.

She didn't want to wait for her stepdad to get there, you know, like the logical thing to do, so she just took off walking.

Carly's friend Danielle watched Carly standing on the corner of the street by her house just before she began her mile-long trek home.

It was 6.18 p.m.

Though Sarasota Springs has a ton of residential areas, Carly's walk back to her house would be along a very busy main road.

There were sidewalks, but the houses lining those sidewalks quickly disappeared and were replaced by businesses like bars, mini golf, and car washes as she continues to walk west towards her home.

It was basically a straight shot from Danielle's house. Carly would walk west on B Ridge Road for about 20 minutes before turning right onto her street, McIntosh Road.

Then she'd walk for another few minutes and she'd be home. To an 11-year-old, I'm sure this plan seemed easy enough.
I washed my hands and at the door I went. When I got down there, I didn't see her.

I said, well, maybe I passed her on B-Ridge. So maybe U-turn, come back, drove real slow, didn't see her.

Went into Evie's, looked inside, see if she was in the arcade.

Couldn't see her. So I said, Maybe she went the back way behind Nick's bar.
I can don't know the name of the street.

I went back around and came back, didn't see her.

So I went back to

Dirt

Connie's house. And I said, where's Carly?

They said, well, she left walking. I said, well, I can't find her.

So I went back home, got my wife. We were driving around.

Took her back to the house where the girls were she yelled at the girls or whatever she said. We got in the van, we drove down.
I came down B-Ridge. I was going real slow.
My flash was on.

She was screaming out the one side. I was looking across

eastbound traffic, trying to see. So we're going across.
She said, I'm going to get out because it's a bunch of wooded area that has houses there. It's just all rubble.
I mean, just trees.

So she'll stop. I'm going to get out.
She got out screaming at Carly. So when she did, I pulled into Evie's and parked.

Took my little boy out with me and we we started walking back to where my wife was. Carly's mom, stepdad, and younger brother continued looking for her for another hour.

They took all the back roads home, weaving in and out of different neighborhoods. Carly's mother, Susan, screaming Carly's name out the window as they drove.

But the effort was fruitless.

Susan's only wish was to witness her daughter, with her thick ash blonde hair and smile on her face, emerge from the woods unharmed you don't see her walking on B Ridge you get all the way to Lalani address I didn't go to Lalani I passed it because I've only been there you know once or twice okay I passed Lalani go down to the next intersection that was there and I made a u-turn come back

then I recognized the house there in the corner now because I've passed it once I saw it it was too late so that's when I make a u-turn come back and I didn't see her outside so I made it just right there, that little circle there.

I come back out, went back down B-ridge

to see her, and there I saw her.

So I went all the way down to Macintosh, come in the back way

by Nick's bar, because sometimes she'll come the back way

because it's staying off, it's shorter for her that way.

So I come down that way, I don't see her.

So just before I get to... the golf course, I come out, whatever that little road is there.
I turned left and and then another left into Evie's.

And I looked, I didn't see nobody.

Because I thought maybe she went inside. But at this point, Evie's is actually open.
Yeah, there's full of people. Okay.

Evie's was a landmark for Carly, given that it was a center point between her and her friend's house. It was a multi-building collection of businesses all under the same name.

Evie's Express Car Wash and Mobile Detailing, Evie's Tavern and Grill on B Ridge, and Evie's family golf center. Evie seems to have quite the enterprise.
Inside the main building was a kids' arcade.

Somewhere Stephen thought his stepdaughter might have stopped on her walk home.

When he didn't find her there, he thought perhaps she cut through Evie's parking lot and through another neighborhood to get back home quicker.

Over an hour had passed since they began looking for Carly, and Susan's heart was in the pit of her stomach.

So she decided to call 911 at about 7.30 p.m.

911, what's the location of the emergency?

Has she been missing before? No, she had a fight with her girlfriend and she decided to walk home and wait

around for about an hour and a half.

And now it's now an hour and a half walk.

She's gone. We can't find her anywhere.
Call her friends. How old is she? Eleven.

And when was the last time that she was she was seen?

It was at six o'clock, Jean.

Around six o'clock.

And she was at a friend's house? Yeah.

Okay, what's her name, ma'am?

Carly C-A-R-L-I, Inc.

And last name? Brucia B-R-U-C-I-A.

She's a white female? Yeah. Okay, what's her date of birth? 201682.

Okay, how tall is she?

Oh,

she's too shy of five feet. Okay.
Do you know how much she weighs?

Never less than twenty pounds. And what color hair does she have? Pretty blonde.
And then what color eyes? Blue.

Do you remember what she was wearing?

Oh, she was she's not over

um

double Hercules house. Look at what she had on.

I can try to see it. That's okay.
The the deputies will get that from you when they come in, okay? Does she have any medical problems? No. Okay.

Where was the last place that she was seeing? Did she ha leave her friend's house, and that was the last time that anybody saw her?

Yeah. Okay.

Was somebody there with you? Yeah. Okay.
All right, we got the deputies coming over to meet you, okay?

If you can get any information about what she was wearing when she left her friend's house, then you can tell the deputy. Can you get that right now? Pardon me? We're getting that right now.

Okay, you can give that to the deputy, okay?

Yes. Okay, they'll be there as soon as they can.

Okay.

Okay.

Did you say you were looking around for her for the last hour and a half? Yes.

And was somebody with you looking around?

It's my husband who's driving.

All right, ma'am. We'll get the deputies out to you, okay?

Yes. Okay.

Thank you. Bye-bye.

Carly Brucia never made it home that night. Police searched on and around Carly's potential path home until 3 o'clock in the morning.

They resumed the search the next day, and by noon, a bloodhound tracked Carly's scent to an area behind Evie's car wash. That's where the scent trail stopped.
But Evie's...

had security cameras everywhere. You know, Evie.
She doesn't miss a thing. Surely one of them caught caught Carly on tape.

Carly Brucia vanished February 1st, 2004, never making it home from a sleepover at a friend's house.

The next day, after talking with police about a missing girl in the area, car wash owner Mike Evanoff looks at tape from his surveillance cameras.

Just came in and saw her walking and him walking, and it just right away, right when I saw it, it just threw

chills and shivers right in my body. The video, grainy and only 10 seconds seconds long, is chilling.
Carly is a half mile from her home.

A man in a mechanic's uniform walks up to her outside the car wash. He leads her away.
The manhunt begins. The video surveillance from Evie's car wash showed Carly clear as day.

She was facing the camera, walking towards it unknowingly. And a man in a blue mechanic's shirt, with a white name tag appears to approach her from the opposite direction.

We see his back to the camera, but clearly he grabs her arm and pulls her closer to him in a kind of aggressive way.

Then he turns around to face the camera and pulls Carly out of frame by the wrist.

That footage is the last time she's ever seen again. Shown on local and national television, the video brings hundreds of leads.
Surely someone would recognize the man on the grainy tape. And they do.

On February 3rd, just two days after Carly's abduction, numerous tips came into the Sarasota Sheriff's Office, all pointing to one man,

39-year-old Joseph P. Smith.

One of these callers even knew where the guy worked.

Joseph was apparently a mechanic at a place called Soros Autos.

When detectives arrived at the auto body shop, they were greeted by a man who admitted he had been the one to call him the tip himself.

He told detectives that Joseph was his friend and co-worker, but he had just seen the clip of Carly Brucia's abduction on television and he immediately recognized Joe.

The guy said that he called the shop's landlord and told him to turn on the news.

He watched the clip and agreed.

The guy in the footage was Joe.

It had to be. I seen Joe with the the uniform from the backside, from the front side, the way his hair was cut, the way that he walked, his gait was just like, you know, Joe walking through the shop.

I mean,

he's got a different type of walk to him.

And then when I watched him reach out for the, you know, reach for the girl,

I knew it was him.

The coworker told police he didn't want to believe Joe would be capable of such a thing, but he wasn't sure because he knew Joe did hard drugs, and at the time, he was separated from his current wife.

This co-worker decided to call in so quickly because he thought of his own 11-year-old daughter and what he'd want his community to do if she were missing. Imagine if we all lived by that rule.

The man in the CCTV footage, apparently easily recognized by his community, was wearing a name tag on his mechanics uniform.

But the grainy resolution of the video footage made it difficult to decipher. Interestingly, NASA had software all the way back in 2004

that was able to enhance grainy footage. It was called Video Image Stabilization and Registration, or VISOR for short.

It was a million dollar piece of software, almost as expensive as our new app.

But NASA offered it to law enforcement in this case.

And

guess what? It fucking worked. The name tag matched what all of the callers were saying.

It read

Joe.

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On February 1st, 2004, 11-year-old Carly Brucia was staying at her friend's house just a little over a mile from where her own family lived in Sarasota Springs.

Carly decided that she wanted to go home following a little argument she had with a friend and said she was going to walk.

When Danielle's mother called Carly's parents to confirm she had permission to walk home, they said no. And Carly's mother sent her stepfather to pick her up.
But when Steve arrived, Carly was gone.

After a massive search, Carly's scent was picked up by a bloodhound at Evie's Car Wash, a business located about halfway between Danielle and Carly's houses.

CCTV camera footage showed Carly's abduction in broad daylight.

Law enforcement narrowed the suspect down quickly with the help of hundreds of tips from the community and NASA's million-dollar visor technology.

As if all that wasn't enough of a jump start on this case, the suspect's own brother contacted law enforcement to say the exact same thing everyone else had said.

I recognized that guy.

You called in a couple of days ago, right? No, not a couple of days ago, probably yesterday. It was yesterday.
Okay.

It's been a blur is we've lost track of time because we've been

going. But can you tell us about what, you know, what led to your call and what you saw or what you observed or what?

It's not that I observed anything. It's just the picture is, I mean,

amazingly close. I mean, it's, you know, it looks just like my brother.
Okay.

The voice you're hearing is John Smith.

No, the other one.

That's a joke because, you know, the name's John Smith. Anyway, this one was his brother, and he suspected 39-year-old Joseph Smith as responsible for Carly's abduction.
Joe Smith and John Smith.

Their parents were really creative with the names, huh?

Anyway, as you can probably tell by his accent, John and his brother Joseph were originally from Brooklyn, New York. along with every other annoying new Floridian.

John moved to Sarasota County in the 90s, and Joseph followed him in 2003.

Joseph, Sarasota's main suspect, was an auto mechanic. He was a two-time divorcee.

Is it divorcee or divorcee?

I don't know.

And he had three toddler-age daughters. A dad with a...

Full-time job and three little girls is not someone you'd usually suspect of kidnapping someone else's little girl.

But as we know, the world is a wretched place.

Sunday, he called me just out of the blue. I haven't spoken to him in a month or so.
You want to know how I'm doing? I said, I gotta go. And I hung up on him.

Then Monday, you know, this thing happened. I saw it on the 10 o'clock news.
And I said to my girlfriend, I said, damn, it looks like my brother, isn't it?

And then at 11 o'clock,

my brother's knocking on my door.

Monday morning? No, 11 o'clock at night. Oh, Monday night.
Did I say Monday morning? No, no, you said 11 o'clock. I was just saying.
11 o'clock at night. Okay, Monday night.

And remember, he lives far from me, so it's kind of odd for him to go out of his way.

And I opened the door, you know, I was in my, just my bottom pants because I came ready to go to bed. I'm like, what do you want? He's like, oh, I thought you wanted to talk to me.

I'm like, what made you think I want to talk to you? He's like, no, I got to go to bed. He's like, well, I need to talk.
I'm like, I don't really care. I'm going to bed.
I got to go.

And closed the door and and then he left. It was just real strange.
And like I said, the next day came and, you know, everyone's talking about it.

And people calling me, hey, I've seen your brother on the news. And I'm like, you know,

don't say that's my brother because you don't know. You know, it might look like him, but you know, unless you're 100% sure, don't say it's him.
I just, I was getting a lot of phone calls.

You know, he's got a very bad habit of drugs. You know, what was his drug of choice when he got when he was on that?

When we were kids, it was cocaine. And then when he, uh when I came down to Florida in 90, yeah, about 90, he uh he got into heroin and uh heroin was his thing for a long time.

Sniffing it and then the past few years pushing it.

Joseph had apparently struggled with back pain his entire life, turning to pills to self-medicate and eventually escalating to intravenous heroin use.

Though he maintained a job somehow and looked and behaved relatively normally, Joseph's drug addiction got him into trouble numerous times for things like theft and possession.

His most frequent target was his own brother John.

A friend of his called me and said that he was going around asking people if they wanted to buy a snake, so he didn't have an immediate buyer, unlike the other things that he stole from me in the past.

Most of it's

electronics, power equipment, stuff like that. Yeah, stuff that I usually leave out in the back lot.
Like one time it was a paint sprayer.

My mom was coming, and I was doing a few test spots, and I got interrupted. I left it there, and a couple days later, you know, it was gone.
You know, I live in a pretty good neighborhood.

You guys know it's, you know, you're not. What part of town is it again? Sarasota Golf Club.
Okay. There's no, it's a circle, so there's no passerby or there's no people walking around.

I mean, for things to missing, you know who it is. I mean, it doesn't just, it doesn't happen over there.
We're too close over there.

So, you know, like I said, he's gotten me about four or five times. So before, you said he came over Monday night at 11.
Monday night at 11.

Prior to Monday night at 11, when's the last time you had saw him? Face-to-face saw

December 24th.

Christmas Eve. Christmas Eve.
He went to go shake my hand and I pushed him. I shoved him.
We were all supposed to meet my sister's house, and he just robbed me the day before.

So I was still pretty mad. And then he picked up his kids and left.

So that was like a family Christmas? Yeah, everyone was going to my sister's house. And, you know, I hadn't found out about that until a few hours earlier.
That it was actually him that dig.

I mean, I knew it was him when I first went home with this first while. He was missing.
His wife's,

at 3 o'clock, he said, I'll be right home to his wife. 3 o'clock came, 4 o'clock came, 5, 6, 7, 8 o'clock came.
His wife called me.

I said, I got to run home, drop money off to my girlfriend, and then I'll come back, and I don't know what I'll do, but I'll be there for you.

I did just that, and when I got home, I seen the spot where it was. I went inside.
I said, babe, did you put that snake in the garage? Because it's too heavy. I didn't think she'd do it.

He's like, no, I thought you did. I was like, motherfucker.
So anyway,

with him missing, I know exactly. But the one two together.
It's not the first time. I went to his house, waited for a little while.

Then he called me on the cell phone and he said, John, I'm trying to get in touch with everybody, but no one's answering the phone. I'm like, Joe, cut the shit.
I'm at your house. Come here now.

I want my snake back. And he's like, what do you mean? What snake? What snake? I said, Joe, whatever.
Just get home. Your kids are crying.
Your wife's crying. Just get home.

He was right around the corner. He came home.
And when he got out of the car, the first thing he said was, I mean, you would expect him to say, I'm sorry, babe. You know, I'm missing all these hours.

No, he's like, what is John talking about the snake? I was like, hello, whatever. You know, I said a few words to him.
You know, his eyes were like this. You know, I know what he was doing.

And I left. And then Christmas Eve came and we had that little altercation and that was it.
And I didn't see him until Monday. Here's the biggest red flag of all.

Joseph had no alibi for the time Carly went missing.

Yeah, definitely Monday night. He was also missing Sunday.
I don't know. You guys probably heard that already.
He was missing Sunday. What do you know about that?

What do you know? He was missing between, I think, 3 and 7.30 or 3 and 8.

And he lied to three different people.

That's the part that I mean, I have to know my brother, but if he did it,

he's going to rot in hell because that's pretty shitty to go for, you know, for little child

but he told he may say he told the people that he yeah what are the stories that you know of or what

he told the the people he was staying with he he took their car uh me me me and jeff that's who he's staying with because he's having problems at home because of all this drug shit

he he told them he was going to work no he told them he was going with his wife i think and they told his wife that he was working on someone's car and he told my mom that he was sitting in marina jack's looking at the water you know that's not like my brother.

He's not a, you know, a sightseer or whatever. So everything was just like, oh, you know, you did it again.
You know, like, the hell with you. And those were the hours he was missing.

And then to see that on TV, you know, Monday, I mean, that looks damn close like him. He was, now, Monday, he didn't have on white sneakers, though.
He had on black boots.

And I did think that was strange because I'd never seen him with black boots on. You know, he usually does have the white sneakers on.

which in the video he has white sneakers, which his wife said he was wearing those white sneakers Sunday morning. And she also confirmed that he was wearing his mechanic thing.

Looks like the police had the right guy in their crosshairs and his brother John was spilling the beans.

Granted, it was probably because he had such a resentment built up against his brother after years of repeated thefts, but either way, John Smith was useful to police.

And he'd prove useful later on, also.

The tips led police right to Joseph Smith. Three days after Carly disappears, Joseph Smith is arrested at his house on cocaine possession and a probation violation.
Police believe they have their man.

These charges give them enough to hold him. Law enforcement pulled up to Joseph's last known address in an unmarked vehicle and knocked on the door.

Joseph was staying with a friend because of his impending divorce. One of the neighbors indicated there was someone inside the house, so an officer knocked.
There was no answer.

The officer called his supervisor to ask for some instruction, and the supervisor told him Joseph Smith was on probation. So they called his probation officer to the scene.

Eventually, Joseph's sister showed up and told the cops she would go get her brother.

They brought him out, They asked him a few questions regarding his whereabouts the day Carly was abducted, and they searched his room and car.

Joe acted like he had no knowledge of the abduction. Detectives even showed him a still photo from the CCTV footage of the car wash, and he replied, That looks like me, but it's not me.
You're right.

Tired. Okay.

It's been a long day.

It's been a long day with you. Okay.
I've spent a long day with you.

I know we weren't together the whole time,

but it's been a long day with you.

This is going going to be exactly like out at your house.

We've got to sit down and we have to talk.

Certainly, since I've left your house,

I've been at work.

But

just like your house,

I want to just talk. You and I have some things to talk about.
Okay, because some of the things at the house, we got to get straight. That's the most important thing.

In this room, it's about the truth.

It's the most important thing that goes on in this room is the truth.

But

we're not at your house. We're at my house.
Okay?

And because we're at my house, and you're here, and I'm a law enforcement officer, and this is a police station, Before we can talk, I have to read you your rights.

Have you heard that before? Yeah. Adam 12 and TV.
I was already advised to talk to a lawyer.

Who advised you? A friend of mine.

When did he advise me there?

On the phone.

Okay. When did that happen?

Hmm? When did that happen?

One we can talk to.

Okay.

That means you and I can't talk.

Maybe I should talk to a lawyer.

The detective left Joseph in the interrogation room for about 15 minutes before returning.

It's always a drag for cops when a suspect of an exceptionally horrible crime decides he needs to speak with a lawyer. But it's, you know, also his right.

In Joseph's case, he didn't have a lawyer yet. When I came out to you, House,

I told you the grave seriousness of my job.

The most important part of my job is to attempt to locate this child.

As such,

I am willing to go to any lengths in order to work. Do you have an attorney right now that I can contact to come down and talk to you?

Would you like me to contact the public defender's office and have a lawyer come down and talk with you right now? I'd like to talk to my family.

This is an ongoing investigation.

I have got to find that little girl. You have asked and requested a lawyer.
I must provide you that lawyer. But this investigation has to go on.

In order for this investigation to continue, I need you to talk to that lawyer.

Do you have one in mind? No, I don't.

Can I contact the public defender's office for you?

And they can bring a lawyer down here. Yeah.
Would that be okay?

I guess. I mean,

I'd rather talk to my family and see what they, you know, suggested with a lawyer. Do they have suggestions? Do they know a lawyer?

Sure, my brother or my mother would know. Is that a lawyer that you want to represent you?

I know that. I guess that they would know the direction to take.
I mean,

I don't know, you know, I didn't give this much thought, you know.

Well, that's obvious. You were caught on camera.
Joseph also had no idea that his brother had been blabbing up a storm about him. His family would be of no help at this point.
I don't.

I mean,

you tell me first that it's something different,

and you go into the house, and you tell me something different there.

I mean, I don't understand.

You weren't totally honest with me there.

What's my job to be honest with you or to find a little little girl?

That's number one. Number one.

Yeah, but I mean...

I can't discuss this case with you anymore, but I need to talk.

You need to talk. Because this case has got to go.
It's got to continue. You're the key person.
As such, I need to get a lawyer in here, and he is going to sit down and talk with you.

And then maybe through him, we can talk.

Then again,

you won't tell me what's going on.

I don't understand.

I guess. How would I even know that there's lawyers from the public defender's office?

I have a set of rules that I'm sworn to obey. And like you said, you know,

this is a serious thing.

I mean, I was supposed to be clear to this thing.

That's not so simple when cameras show you committing the crime. The whole community agrees it was you and your alibi doesn't add up.
Things are not looking good, Joe.

What is the public defendant going to tell me?

Is he going to tell me what's going on? Does he have any information?

He will and then we can talk.

I'm going to contact him now. Okay.

Did you say something?

Do you think they'd like to smoke or not?

But it is a federal building, so that's the law for you to smoke in here. I mean, like outside or something.

Not right now.

You got to come on?

Yeah,

we're working on it right now. I need to talk to my family to see what's

going on.

Joe,

once you have decided to speak to a lawyer, I am under an obligation to respect that right.

Unless you revoke it and say, Detective Davis, okay. I want to talk to you.
But you have to do that, okay?

As such, I can't talk to to you you have asked for a lawyer I am going to get you one from the public defender's office okay

I can't talk to you you have requested a lawyer what about my family why can't I call them

you can't call them

because they're not part of this

and these are the these are the people that are telling me um

to get a lawyer. You know,

I want to talk to my parents or my brother.

Joe, the people that gave you legal advice ain't here.

Of course.

I want to talk to them.

It's just a phone call.

Let them know what's going on.

And my mom's real concerned, you know.

My brother, everybody. Okay.

Yeah, Joe's brother was concerned, but he was concerned about whether or not Joseph had really committed this horrible crime, because it sure was looking that way.

Once they put Joseph in jail, they set up a little scheme with his brother John. John knew Joe would never ever confess to the crime if it was something he really did.

It was so horrible, this would be a truth that Joe would take to his grave.

John suggested that if someone went to Joe and confessed to crimes that they'd committed that were similar to the ones Joe was accused of, then perhaps maybe he might be willing to open up about what he'd done.

Well, that didn't work. Then, a meeting between John, Joe, and their mother was arranged at the jail, but he wouldn't crack.

He knew they were trying to get a confession out of him and didn't say a thing.

But on February 5th,

it all came spilling out tell me about uh

and I'm talking about today tell me about your first contact with inmate Smith

my first contact today was beginning of the shift we have to feed the inmates normally around 430 and I handed him a food tray and a cold beverage

And that was it.

What was his mannerisms or did you observe anything about him

he looked like he was under a lot of stress and his eyes were uh glassy like he just got done crying did he say anything to you

no

and you gave him his food and left right

tell me about the next contact you had with him the next contact I had with Mr. Smith was when I got back the food tray from him when he was done eating

uh

he was staring staring at me in a manner that he wanted to talk to me and that he had some things on his mind that he wanted to talk about.

When he handed me the food tray, he told me that

all this that was going on around him was very stressful and he wanted to end it tonight. Well I instructed him that

First of all, I wasn't clear on what he meant by ending it, if he wanted to end his life or end the ongoing investigation.

His response was that he wanted to speak to his attorneys because there was just too much going on in his head and he wanted to get it out of his head.

Now he made it clear to me that he wasn't suicidal

and that he wanted to confess

to what was on his mind to his attorneys.

Again, he said, I have to end this tonight.

And at this point, he was demanding to see his attorneys. He wasn't hollering, but he was standing up against the bars, talking to me, squeezing the bars.
You could see that the

frustration in his forearms. That he wanted to speak to his attorneys right now.

He then said that he wanted to put closure to this tonight.

He then stated, I really fucked up.

He then asked me, Davino,

how big is this right now?

Meaning the media type of thing.

And then he said,

I think, I guess he finally realized that this is all over the place, meaning

it's all over the country within the news media. Did you respond to when he asked how big it was?

I told him that...

that there's flyers around the county because that's what I witnessed. Joseph then asked the officer if he can have the phones turned back on, as they'd been turned off for the night already.

He'd done this before for other inmates, so the officer agreed.

Joseph called his brother, and the officer tried hard to listen in on the conversation.

According to the timeline of events in this case, I'm assuming these jailhouse calls weren't recorded for some reason. And I guess John said to Mr.
Smith that,

Joe, I can't hear you. I can't hear you.
Can you speak up?

And Joe, Mr. Smith started talking a little louder.
I guess there was a vague connection in the phone or there was noise in the background because John could not hear Mr. Smith.

He then said, she's between two trees. not too far back.

He then said, maybe by the tree line.

And then he said to John, and at this point he was very emotional. His eyes were watering.
He was choked up. He said, John, tell mom I'm sorry.
I was not thinking right.

Please tell mom I'm sorry. Did he hang up or do you think he was cut off at that point? No, he hung up the phone very softly.
and walked back to his bunk.

After his arrest, Smith's brother, John, visits him in jail. and later the brothers talk by phone.
Later at the trial, John Smith testified about those conversations and against his brother.

Did he say anything about how it ended?

He wasn't sure.

What do you mean? What did you ask? And try to speak up again. Remember, you've got to try to...
I thought she was dead. And what did he say?

I don't know. She could be.
John Smith testified Joseph told him what he'd done to Carly Brucia and that the body was hidden near a church. Was there an open field at the church? Yes.

John Smith tells police where to find Carly Brucia. February 5th, 2004, her body is found on the grounds of the Central Church of Christ in Sarasota.

The body of a beautiful 11-year-old girl Carly Busha has been found. Joseph Smith is under arrest for the abduction and murder of Carly.

Joseph's phone confession detailed that he had raped Carly in a borrowed beige station wagon before strangling her and driving her to a field behind a church on Proctor Road.

In a letter to John, Joe said that he took Carly's pink backpack and threw it into the water at Marina Jack in Sarasota. Later on, Joe had more conversations with his mother and brother.

In one of them, Joe's mother comforted him by telling him the best thing he could do was to try to explain it was an accident. Nice, right?

Then she went on to tell him she knew he would never do something like this on purpose. But the news media and the community were all up in arms because of the severity of his charges.

Joe clarified with his mother, asking her if she knew what his charges were, and she said she did.

She also asked him what she should relay.

Toward the end, the brothers seemed to be discussing a plan that would have made them a lot of money.

Here's a later interview of John Smith explaining what really went down during and after Joseph's first confession.

He told me that he strangled her.

You know, that was what he told me when they put me together in that little jail cell, that little meeting there.

And the reason why, when I came out,

they said, well, you know, what did he say? What did he say? I said, he said nothing because he told me that he tied her up. And I thought, I'll just drive over there,

let her go,

like that.

But

after that, he started sending me letters and so forth. And, you know, in his own admission, and, you know, he choked her to death.
John's admission is still slightly unclear. So let me fix that.

When Joseph originally confessed to his brother, he seemed to be under the impression that though he raped Carly and choked her out, she may still be alive.

Joseph told his brother John where he could find the body, and John planned to drive out there to untie her, take a photo of her, and sell it to the media, then report his findings.

I guess they thought they would... make John look like a hero, like a Batman character.
So John did actually drive out to the church with intentions to carry out this ridiculous plan.

But he couldn't find Carly's body. Joseph's mother and brother seemed to be enablers, even participators.
Perhaps that's the reason John would later testify against his brother at trial.

acting as the prosecution's key witness. When Carly's body was found, she was, of course, no longer living.
She wasn't found bound, but her extremities had markings suggesting she had been.

She was found partially undressed, corroborating Joseph's confession of sexual assault.

And there were markings suggesting Joseph had dragged Carly's body to its final resting place on the ground amid some trees.

This man who had young daughters himself had raped and murdered an innocent little girl he didn't even know.

Whether he was using drugs or not, he felt entitled to someone else's child for his own sexual deviancy, and he jumped on the first opportunity he saw.

Joseph pleaded not guilty to the charges of first-degree murder, kidnapping, and sexual battery. He wouldn't go to trial until late 2005.

In the meantime, journalists and detectives were digging up disturbing things in Joseph's past that should have had him locked up long before he saw 11-year-old Carly Brusha

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39-year-old Joseph P. Smith pleaded not guilty to the crimes he committed against an innocent child, 11-year-old Carly Brucia, on February 1st, 2004.
His DNA was found on her clothing.

Her body showed evidence of strangulation and sexual assault, and the fibers from the station wagon Joe was driving were retrieved from Carly's body.

Joseph was unaccounted for during the exact stretch of time Carly went missing and was murdered. Joseph had even confessed his crimes in many different ways to his brother and mother.

He spoke with them over the phone. He wrote letters, and eventually his brother John Smith was called to testify against him.

This was cut and dry.

It re-traumatized the community to have to relive this crime two years later. But the jury made quick work of the whole ordeal.

You could feel the tension in the courtroom. The judge warned everyone, scream or shout, and you're tossed out.
And then came the verdict broadcast across the country.

We, the jury, find as follows as to count one of the charges. The defendant is guilty of murder in the first degree as charged.
Carly Bruce's mother broke down crying and said, thank you, Jesus.

Carly's father simply nodded in approval. Joseph Smith, guilty on all counts.
Bailiffs began preparing to take Smith away when the judge had to slow them down. I need to just slow down for one second.

Smith will be back in court a week from Monday when the same jury returns to recommend a life or death sentence.

I will now be preparing to present further evidence on November the 28th, and we'll be arguing that a sentence of life in prison without possibility of parole is the best decision in this case.

I lost one of the most precious things to me in my life

because of an animal, a disgusting perverted animal.

The jury took five hours to pour over the evidence, the surveillance video, the letter that Smith sent to his brother, and the recorded conversations between Smith and his mother where he admitted killing her.

I know that, Joe. You don't think that I would do that on purpose, mom? No.

And if Carly's mother could speak to Smith? If I could speak to him, I'd like to know why he chose my daughter and why he had to kill her.

And I'm sure she let him know that she was only 11 years old. How could he go through with it? Carly's family members weren't the only ones affected by this horrible crime.

All of Carly's friends and classmates were on high alert.

Joseph's former wives and children had to deal with the shame of being connected to such a monster.

And take this with a grain of salt given John's involvement in the aftermath of his brother's crimes, but he sees himself as a victim, also.

My life crashed like he had no idea when it should happen.

And he's the cause of it. He's the direct cause of it.
You think he cares how many lives he ruined? He doesn't give a fuck. All he wants is money for Commissar.

He does not give a fuck.

I don't think he realizes

what he's done to everybody.

But still,

don't you people realize who he is? He's a woman sister. He said, Monty killed a little kid, and you're not going to talk to me because I testified, and that's crazy.
But that's not happening.

I have no family, none of my family would talk to me, except my sister.

So, not only did

my whole life crash, no family talks to me,

it's been rough. You know, I, you know, I died, I dove real hard in the drugs and the women.

Ever since this happened,

my life just

it just it just died

i can't explain it

my testified i did the right thing none of my family talks to me only my sister

nobody not my aunt my uncle my cousins they won't even take a

facebook request because i'm a rat you don't talk the code that's bullshit you know he he did something wrong the worst crime you can do.

You murdered, you raped it, you killed a kid. You know, so how could you,

how could you

look at me as a rat? It doesn't even have any. First of all, they didn't even need me.
They had all the evidence. Joseph's life was not virtuous.
Not before he murdered Carly

and not after.

Joseph had already been arrested 13 times prior to his final act of violence. And he'd been on probation nearly constantly since 1993, often violating the terms.

Joseph's brother believes Joe may have also been responsible for the murder of a young woman named Tara Riley in Bradington, Florida, just four years before Carly's murder.

Tara Riley's naked body was found in a retention pond behind a Bradington Walmart in 2000. Detectives looked into the case when it occurred, but it still remains unsolved to this day.

Long story short, Joseph wasn't likely to have any willing character witnesses to speak on his behalf at sentencing, and a jury swiftly voted 10 to 2 in favor of the death penalty.

During his time on death row, Joseph watched TV, got some marriage proposals for some reason. I don't know what's wrong with you people.

And his dear old mother even moved closer to the prison so she could visit him more often. How sweet.
He began writing a 59-chapter manuscript detailing the woes of his life.

Oh boy, can't wait for that on Audible.

In it, he blames all of his transgressions on his drug use. Oh, you poor little victim, poor baby.
Oh, society should bend over backwards to help you.

He and his lovely mother tried to shop the book around to publishers, but thankfully, they weren't interested. At least some of the media hasn't gone to complete shit.
Not entirely, anyway.

Joseph ended up living on death row until 2018, when the unthinkable happened. A Sun Coast prosecutor says the state will again seek the death penalty for the killer of Carly Boucher.

A 4-3 decision by the court Thursday vacates the death sentence of Joseph P. Smith, who was convicted of raping and murdering the 11-year-old on the Sun Coast in 2004.
In 2016, the U.S.

Supreme Court decision found Florida's death penalty process unconstitutional.

The Harold Tribune reports juries must now unanimously agree on critical findings before judges can impose death sentences. Carly's father, Joseph Brucia, calls the vote a travesty.

It's one of two things.

It's a trend of favoring the criminals over the

innocent and the victims, or is it just, you know, more way for attorneys to make billable hours? Because it certainly doesn't make any sense.

I mean, it's it's the furthest thing from justice that comes to my mind. The date of Smith's new penalty phase has not yet been announced, but Brucia says he will be attending alongside family.

Two years later, Joseph's death penalty status was reinstated.

Then, on July 26, 2021, Joseph Smith passed away at Union Correctional Institution in Rayford. He was 55 years old.
Carly Brusha was a little girl who liked classic little girl things.

She had a lavender bedroom and a pink book bag.

Posters of her favorite pop stars on the wall, stickers all over the surfaces of the furniture in her bedroom, and she was an innocent little girl, so full of excitement for life.

This degenerate fuck, this evil person,

this inhuman monster, decided to take this sweet child away from her parents, away from her family, away from her friends, away from her home, away from this world.

A memorial garden was set up for the beloved Carly,

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Unfortunately, Carly's mother, Susan Shorpin, passed away in 2017.

And since then, reports seem to suggest that Carly's memorial has fallen into disarray. Though this was a case that law enforcement and the community seemed to come together in perfect harmony to

It was a case that really never should have happened. An innocent 11-year-old girl made the impulsive decision to walk home, and there are monsters out there.

She, unfortunately, encountered one of them: an evil adult man who had his own impulses, his own deviant mind, and zero self-control, Like a wild animal waiting in the forest for slowly moving prey, Joseph spotted Carly

and attacked.

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