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Speaker 25 you know a lot of being in congress actually is just having a voice and speaking out and so you know that sounds like a bullshit no i mean it's it means like you have to you're surrounded by some of these people are the dread like the dregs of humanity you see a guy walking down the hall you're like oh that guy's been accused of like potentially sleeping with a minor how how do you like function in like a world of scoundrels?

Speaker 25 I mean, the nation is a nation. No, no, no, come on.

Speaker 25 Hello and welcome back to the Adam Friedland Show. I'm Adam Friedland.

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Speaker 25 But let me remind all of you, we're just getting started. And for this week's guest, I was joined by none other than California Congressman Roe Conna.

Speaker 25 Now, as the Democratic Party has struggled to redefine their message in the wake of the last election, Roe has emerged as a prominent voice from the progressive wing of the party.

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Speaker 8 New York City Hall.

Speaker 34 For some, a hallowed ground of civic engagement, but to me, another stage for one of my hilarious jokes.

Speaker 34 I had a pretty good idea of what to expect of hordes of elderly citizens lining up to complain about ethnic restaurants and me, the sardonic jokester, lampooning the whole process.

Speaker 35 For the council members, a moment of biting satire. For the concerned citizens, a comedy show from a celebrity free of charge.

Speaker 25 And for me, a perfect opportunity to craft a viral moment in promotion of my new show.

Speaker 37 Sure, yes, I am remembering the victims more than you. No, that's not.
I have been to more funerals than you. I guarantee.
Don't do that. I do not do that.

Speaker 37 Because it turned out this was the worst possible day to come to city hall for my comedy show do not talk but uh i will no don't talk to me like that i'll talk to you like that i don't take lightly to nypd continuously lying about their advocacy i sat and watched as tearful testimony was given about an incredibly sensitive topic and i was terrified to suggest that we should be sharing no i want to be sharing

Speaker 34 no no no maybe someone can make this funny but it wasn't me

Speaker 34 i had already submitted my written speech and comedically doctored photo evidence of my claim and if i stuck to this plan there was a good chance that I would go to prison for the rest of my life.

Speaker 23 Adam Friedland.

Speaker 35 So, as my name was called, I took my seat in front of New York City's highest body and made a life or death audible.

Speaker 37 Hello. Hi.

Speaker 34 My name's Adam.

Speaker 34 I prepared a statement.

Speaker 34 If you'll excuse me, me, I've never been to a committee session before. I've never been to the city council.
And in light of what we've heard today and the gravity of the subject matter, I just

Speaker 34 don't feel like it's

Speaker 34 it feels trivial. It was about something totally different.

Speaker 34 I just want to let you guys know, I've

Speaker 34 a lot of people, myself included,

Speaker 34 people have like kind of lost faith in our institutions. And

Speaker 34 seeing

Speaker 34 people standing up for children

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Speaker 34 And

Speaker 34 I'm inspired by the work of the chairman and

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Speaker 34 Councilperson Cabin and Stevens.

Speaker 34 You guys are awesome. I mean, this is awesome.
So I support, I didn't even know about this, but I support it. I've just been watching.
And give it up for yourselves. You guys are awesome.

Speaker 25 Give it up for yourself.

Speaker 34 This is really cool. This actually matters.

Speaker 34 Most everything is bullshit. This actually matters.
And I won't waste any more of your time. I'm just inspired by all of you great people here today.
And

Speaker 34 if by any chance the person that did the graffiti by my house,

Speaker 34 if by any chance he's watching it,

Speaker 34 you know,

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Speaker 34 I don't know if he likes the city council, but hopefully he's Washington and we we could you know hang out or something we could talk about it and it hurt, you know, it hurt my feelings, but you're probably but who am I to call out a fellow citizen, especially in light of everything we've heard today?

Speaker 34 So keep kicking ass, everyone. Give it up for yourselves.

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Speaker 34 Thank you a lot, everyone.

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Speaker 38 Hello, my name is Sharon Brown. And before I start, remember the hostages release the hostages let Yahweh's people go, defend Israel.

Speaker 37 Well,

Speaker 25 lesson learned.

Speaker 21 Nowadays,

Speaker 25 it might seem like everything's gone dark, but if you look close enough, the candle of democracy first lit by our forefathers still flickers.

Speaker 25 It's up to us to feed that story.

Speaker 20 This is Adam Friedland signing off.

Speaker 25 Democratic Congressman from California, Rocana.

Speaker 25 Everyone.

Speaker 25 Normally I do the introduction, but okay.

Speaker 25 That's a new thing. That's our Andy Richtser over there.
That's our Jimmy Parda Congressman. Thanks for watching.
Great to be on. We talked briefly on Zoom.

Speaker 25 We talked, and I followed you during the whole Bernie thing. I mean, you were a.

Speaker 25 The whole, what do you mean, the whole since the Bernie 16? The Bernie 2020 campaign. That's when I was a coach.
2020. I know.
And you were.

Speaker 25 You followed me? I mean, I followed that you were a very

Speaker 25 big advocate for him.

Speaker 25 There weren't a lot of people in the media, I mean, you were independent media who were supporting it. That's how I came to know who you were.
Is that right? That's really true.

Speaker 25 Politicians are such good liars.

Speaker 25 I was on a podcast called Come Town at the time.

Speaker 25 You were active. I mean, yeah.

Speaker 25 I was a big supporter of.

Speaker 25 I was at the Queen's Rally. What do you think of her?

Speaker 25 Just because you're a comedian? No, because you're a progressive. You saw me in the

Speaker 25 VIP section of the Queen's Rally. Yeah.
Yeah. Which I had to lie my way into.

Speaker 25 I wasn't at the Queen's Rally. That was the one with AOC, right?

Speaker 25 I stood right next to her. Yeah.
I didn't say anything, but I think she probably knew who I was, too.

Speaker 25 I met Michael Moore, though, on the other hand. He's very good.

Speaker 25 He's the man. Yeah.
I mean, he kind of like was Trump before Trump in terms of understanding what was going on. I agree.
He was the only guy that was like, Trump's going to win.

Speaker 25 And he was the only guy who understood the two basic things, which was people's jobs were being snatched from them, shipped offshore by greedy corporations. Yeah.

Speaker 25 And we're going in all these dumb wars. And those were the two, I mean, Trump had a lot of other BS, but those are the two central things that Trump ran on in 16.

Speaker 25 Well, and also throwing Hillary in a dungeon. Oh, there was that part too.
Yeah, yeah. That was a big winner for him, I think.
And he didn't follow through. And that's the thing about Trump.

Speaker 25 He doesn't follow through on his promises to throw the former first lady Hillary Clinton in a dungeon.

Speaker 25 That's really a good thing.

Speaker 25 Actually, for me, it was Michael Moore and then every single one of my black comedian friends

Speaker 25 were like, yeah, there's no way Hillary Clinton's winning it. And I was like, Jim L.

Speaker 25 If you look at the 538th poll of polls there's absolutely no chance this is gonna happen and he's like no I'm telling you they're not gonna give it to a lady after a black guy and I was like wow but the maid silver if you that he's doing he's crunching the numbers and he still he still gets us all to do it every cycle even though he's always wrong how I mean he does it every time and I fall for it too and we're all like watching the 538 thing and he turns it to be spectacularly wrong and we all forget two years later four years later it's crazy how some people and campaigns and elections people, I used to live in DC.

Speaker 25 Yeah, and campaigns and elections people,

Speaker 25 you're not gonna, I'm gonna say some things that you're not gonna be able to agree with, but you could just wink at me or pull an earlobe. But like, they were perhaps the worst people I met in DC.

Speaker 25 I think to some extent, I had more respect for lobbyists because at least they were having a nice time. Yeah, but campaigns and election people, you could literally

Speaker 25 literally lose every single time and somehow get a promotion every new election cycle. Yeah.
Well, you get these consultants and they're like, I just love your vision, Roe.

Speaker 25 I love that you're for Medicare for all, for free college. We're going to change the world together.
And then three days later, how about doing a $25,000 video on this?

Speaker 25 And I commission, you know, it's sort of, it's a very, very like, how do we make

Speaker 25 money? How? Okay.

Speaker 25 I didn't want to get into this till later, but how the fuck?

Speaker 25 Can I curse in Congress? You could curse. Can you cuss in Congress? I could curse, yeah, of course.
Who cusses the who's the number one cusser in Congress?

Speaker 25 Who's it?

Speaker 25 Marjorie Taliban?

Speaker 25 Who's that?

Speaker 25 Jimmy Gomez curses a lot.

Speaker 25 Name names.

Speaker 25 Bowman, Jamal Bowman used to curse. Jamal Bowman.
Jamman, I believe. Yeah.

Speaker 25 Rashida. Rashida Talib.
Oh, really? She's a big cusser.

Speaker 25 I'm going to have to go. Name names.

Speaker 25 Anyway,

Speaker 25 how in 100 days did they manage to spend $2 billion?

Speaker 25 That's crazy. And concerts.
And then end up in debt. What? They had concerts.
They entertained America. Well, no, but they didn't have enough money for Beyoncé to sing.

Speaker 25 No, that was, she came and she gave the statement.

Speaker 25 You know, that was just like, you know, it's like if you have a, people go to the Super Bowl and the players don't play, they just like make some statement.

Speaker 25 I mean, it's a, you know, I think we don't realize that.

Speaker 25 Oprah got paid and she's a billionaire. Yeah, she claims it was for the production.
Do you have a million-dollar production here? I don't know how much is a production here cost.

Speaker 25 Well, you're certainly not getting paid for this.

Speaker 25 I'm just saying that.

Speaker 25 I owe a lot of money around town, okay? Yeah. No.

Speaker 25 But we'd have to pay you. It's the other way around.

Speaker 25 What are we talking about?

Speaker 25 What are we talking about?

Speaker 25 I think we kind of just watched an election cycle where you had one guy with his weird family around him as an inner circle, and then kind of Bannon, and then kind kind of Elon Musk, which you can't really discredit because he owns a massive like social media platform.

Speaker 25 But you had like this, like, you have 12 guys on one side, and then you had to have had like

Speaker 25 thousands and thousands of algorithm experts, PR consultants, like the amount of people that were just grifting. Algorithm expert.
I didn't even know that was a thing. Maybe there is.

Speaker 25 I thought you were a tech.

Speaker 25 But I'm sure they are.

Speaker 25 $2 billion

Speaker 25 is an insane amount of money. It is.

Speaker 25 It wasn't Granny's writing checks, right?

Speaker 25 No, I mean, look, there were some of the grassroots folks, but there were a lot of billionaires. There were more billionaires who funded our side than billionaires that funded their side.
Right.

Speaker 25 I mean, that's the reality. What are we talking about? You know, get Super PAC money out, get PAC money out, lobbyist money out.
I mean, we relied on a lot of these billionaires.

Speaker 25 That's why it's not fully credible. And

Speaker 25 what interests primarily did they align with? It was a status quo, right? I mean, the reality is that a lot of... Wall Street.

Speaker 25 Wall Street tech, pharmaceutical, but it's not as clear. It's just a sense that

Speaker 25 we're not going to be for transformative economic change. What does that mean? Well, we're not going to be talking about raising the living wage.

Speaker 25 We're not going to be talking about raising taxes on wealthy. We're not going to be talking about Medicare for all.
We're not going to be talking about free public college.

Speaker 25 We're not going to be talking about child care $10 a day. We'll talk about about let's have more startup businesses and let's have more entrepreneurship and let's have more opportunity.

Speaker 25 In terms of electoral politics, like every single plan

Speaker 25 just seemed so like

Speaker 25 just, I don't know, overly complicated. I agree.
And the central thing, Trump said, you've been shafted. Your life, you know, it's not working out that well right now.

Speaker 25 And we were like, you've got joy. We're doing great.
We're going to continue. And people are like, no, I've been shafted.
You know, I don't have enough money. I've got groceries cost too much.

Speaker 25 Child care costs too much. Healthcare costs too much.
I keep getting denied, denied, denied from health insurance. And all those good jobs left because we allowed for corporate offshoring.

Speaker 25 And Trump then comes in with no real actual proposal. Like his proposal

Speaker 25 literally is like, okay, we're going to give these tax breaks to corporations and we're going to get Musk and Doge to stop these benefit payments because we've got a deficit.

Speaker 25 But people don't pay attention as much to what he's gonna do they just say change this system I think in a simpler sense like I'm a comedian yeah right and like during lockdown yeah I mean Trump was he was working the road I mean he was doing stadiums baby he killed Herman Kane at one of them you know he was but he my boy was having fun you know he was crushing he was like it was kind of like I was a comedian I was like he's still allowed to work the road and he's just crushing stadiums these are rallies yeah the rallies and it's like to some extent what you see is that

Speaker 25 he makes people feel good he's entertaining i mean

Speaker 25 he he makes his guys feel great well he's got a simple thing it says he says it's not your fault you've been screwed

Speaker 25 there are all these things that have made your life uh not work out as you want it to work out and it's the mexicans and it's and he blames the the indians

Speaker 25 the chinese the you know it's all the immigration and

Speaker 25 it's all these companies, and they screwed you, and you built America.

Speaker 25 Roe's family didn't fight in the Revolutionary War, didn't fight in World War II,

Speaker 25 didn't build the steel, didn't build the coal. They just got here.
Roe was just born in 76. But what about your grandparents? They're the ones who fought the wars.

Speaker 25 You're the ones who built the coal, built the steel.

Speaker 25 So what did your family do World War II? You were a regular Jaden Fondas?

Speaker 25 Well, my grandfather was in jail with Gandhi, with Gandhi, everyone alongside Gandhi, fighting for India's independence. That's what moved my politics.

Speaker 25 But my point is that he is appealing to this sense of people who have really been shafted. Now, Bernie, and the reason we're, you know, I think I was a co-chair of his campaign, Bernie got that.

Speaker 25 He got that there is fundamental income inequality in this country. There are a lot of people who don't have good paying jobs.
And it's ridiculous that they can't get health care.

Speaker 25 It's ridiculous they can't get child care. It's ridiculous that we're not taxing these billionaires and millionaires.

Speaker 25 And he said, okay, we're going to fix it in a hopeful way, in an an aspirational way. And Trump wants to fix it in a very dark, destructive way.
You grew up in Philadelphia?

Speaker 25 Right outside Bucks County. Bucks County? Go Birds? I got to admit, I became a 49ers fan, but my family's all good.
It's my district. I'm a politician.
Oh, no, if I was a politician.

Speaker 25 If I was a politician.

Speaker 25 If I was a politician, I'd feel like, go birds, yay, birds, when I'm not really

Speaker 25 still rooting for them as much. But my brother and family do, so I'm going to go see them.
And how much respect do they have?

Speaker 25 Oh, but the 49ers, because my district come on what are you talking about remember who you are you know my wife says never trust a guy who changes a sports allegiance

Speaker 25 I do not I will not so okay um yeah wait I thought Ro I thought you said after the last championship with Nick Foles that you were the guy that licked the poo-poo off the the horse

Speaker 25 Nick Foles that was a good that was a good uh quarterback you don't seem like a Philly guy though I'm not a no like the guy on the 700 level I went you don't would you boo Santa Claus would you throw batteries at Santa Santa Claus?

Speaker 25 No, but I was in the 700 levels. You know, the vet, right?

Speaker 25 The 700 Club, Pat Robertson. Well,

Speaker 25 the vet used to be the old stadium before the new stadium. And I've gone to it.
Nothing but respect for the vets.

Speaker 25 And I've got gone to the 700 level where basically, you know, they throw the beer cans and they boo. And then I was like, how did I turn out like this?

Speaker 25 I mean, maybe I should have gotten some more Philly spirit.

Speaker 25 How did you turn out like that? Oh, like a nerd politician. Just like, you know, proper.

Speaker 25 But that's why I said I grew up in Bucks County. Because if you tell a Philly person that you grew up in Philly, you actually grew up in Bucks County, like, that is very insulting.

Speaker 25 Yeah, you're trying to be something you're not.

Speaker 25 It's a different thing. Go home.
You know, like, Philly, but Bucks County is

Speaker 25 a middle-class suburban.

Speaker 25 Philly is.

Speaker 25 What's in that mug right now? Water, isn't it?

Speaker 25 Sparkling water, yeah.

Speaker 25 Water? But I will, you know, my friend. Water.

Speaker 25 Water.

Speaker 25 Wait, say it for real. Wooder.
Water? You're not from Philly at all. Where are you from?

Speaker 25 I don't know. Are you AI or something? I mean, you know, J.D.
Vance probably says I'm from India, right?

Speaker 25 That's like you have to. I saw that last night on Twitter.
You know, they're like, the comments are like, what is Rokana? Deport him. Who is he? What is a Rokana? That's, you know, like the Twitter.

Speaker 25 You don't follow your Twitter as much? I saw it last night. Yeah.
It's kind of good for us, you know that. What is? Because it's been ju, ju, ju this last year.
Now you guys are.

Speaker 25 Vivek ran a little interference for us,

Speaker 25 for the Jews.

Speaker 25 Well, he had to realize. Do you feel like Vivek's embarrassing for you like Netanyahu is for me?

Speaker 25 He was, look, I debated big shots.

Speaker 25 I'm going to tell you, when you're an Indian-American politician who's an immigrant, you probably don't want to insult

Speaker 25 people who've been born in America, white Americans. Like, it's just dumb what he did.
Like, I just, I don't understand what he was thinking. Well, the tweet was funny, bro.
It was dumb.

Speaker 25 No, no, come on, bro. He was basically like...
He shouted out Steve Urkel. Did he shout out Steve Urkel? I forgot that.
The tweet was like, we used to have

Speaker 25 Bob Hope, Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs, Steve Urkel. You know what the funny thing is? Now we have no hope, no jobs, no cash, and no, and Stefan Urkel,

Speaker 25 the sexy one. The thing I would ask him if I'd actually say it was like, you know,

Speaker 25 you're upholding like this immigrant, Indian immigrant experience. Have you been to India? Because in India, they're obsessed with Bollywood and cricket.
Like, it's not like they're all studying math.

Speaker 25 They've got like movies and cricket. So it's this idea that they're obsessed with Pakistan, too.
They are obsessed with Pakistan, unfortunately. Yeah, yeah.
Are you Hindu? I am Hindu. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 What do you make of

Speaker 25 the

Speaker 25 old Modi over there? What is it? Meet the Press or something?

Speaker 25 Listen, I'm a guy who wants to poop my pants on a podcast.

Speaker 25 I know who Modi is. I don't like his politics.
I don't like it.

Speaker 25 I talked about my grandfather.

Speaker 25 He was part of India when it was founded with Gandhi and Nirvana. It was much more pluralistic.

Speaker 25 You were Hindu, you were Jewish. Well, I was African, so old Gandhi spent a lot of time down there in South Africa.

Speaker 25 And that inspired Mendela, some of his efforts to. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 But the point is now, Modi, I mean, Modi's done some things fine for the country, but he's too aligned with a Hindu nationalism in India that I just don't think is the right approach.

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Speaker 25 So you're an attorney, Chicago. Yeah.
And then you campaigned for Obama.

Speaker 25 Yeah. And then you were appointed in 09 by Barack Obama.

Speaker 25 I mean, I want want to exaggerate Kate Payroll. He was running for the state Senate.
I knocked on a few doors for him back then. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 He was running against Alan Keyes, right? That was the Senate. When I was a student in Chicago in 96, he was running for the state Senate, and I knocked on...

Speaker 25 Is it Blagoevich's former seat or something? Well, the Senate seat was...

Speaker 25 This is what I worked on. He was running for the state Senate, state legislature in 1996.

Speaker 25 How much interaction did you have with

Speaker 25 the former President Obama? As an appointee, as an appointee, almost none, because because I was like a deputy assistant secretary of commerce, which is like, you know, fine, but not like a title.

Speaker 25 Come on, don't shit on it. You're deputy assistant assistant commerce.
The longer your title in D.C., the less important you are.

Speaker 25 Were your parents like, I can't believe you're the only deputy assistant to

Speaker 25 what is it? Deputy Assistant Secretary of Commerce.

Speaker 25 Sounds nice to me. Yeah, but but

Speaker 25 then after I got to Congress, probably now is more a couple times a year. A couple times a year.
Yeah. And what's his vibe?

Speaker 25 He's very cerebral. He's uh

Speaker 25 calm. Yeah.

Speaker 25 He's he's got a sarcastic sense of humor. Really? And he's relaxed.
You know, I mean, he's not he's not, you know, he's no longer in the whole zone.

Speaker 25 Okay, and I want to mention this. You were co-chair of Bernie's campaign in 2020, right?

Speaker 25 It seems like our former president,

Speaker 25 if you think about everything that's happened since he was president, it's been now the third

Speaker 25 presidential election since he's left office. That

Speaker 25 his influence on that primary was pretty much, it was that, and now he's making Netflix.

Speaker 25 Well, I mean,

Speaker 25 come on. Come on, brother.
I didn't agree. Look, I didn't agree.

Speaker 25 I don't know what his role was, but certainly I didn't agree with people coordinating to drop out of the primary, but Buddha Jigndora said. So who was it?

Speaker 25 I mean, I don't know if it was Pelosi or I don't know who there was. There were certainly powers that be in the Democratic primary, DNC.
You can't take the shot. Well, you're still with the boys.

Speaker 25 With who? With Bernie? You're still in the world.

Speaker 25 But you blame him.

Speaker 25 You don't blame

Speaker 25 all the other things that happened, the DNC.

Speaker 25 They basically cut deals, Biden's team,

Speaker 25 with these other candidates to get them. out of the race.
And they all dropped. They all endorsed.

Speaker 25 How did that feel? Terrible.

Speaker 25 i mean it felt like it was taken from us they fucked us they did i mean look it never has happened that someone in modern times wins these early states new hampshire iowa nevada and loses i mean it's just usually it's like you're off to the races and i think bernie would have won in 2020.

Speaker 25 i'm not sure to be honest whether he would have won as decisively as biden but he would have won

Speaker 25 yeah he would have won pennsylvania wisconsin michigan whether he would have won georgia and arizona it's an open question but he would have won And had he won, we would have fought for a living wage, $15 wage.

Speaker 25 You know, Bernie and I called for firing the parliamentarian to get that wage increased. We didn't get the wage increased.
As you said, that felt terrible in 2020.

Speaker 25 You were the co-chair of this campaign. Yeah.
It felt like collusion. You stayed in the government, right? That was stayed in the party.
I said I supported Biden.

Speaker 25 Like,

Speaker 25 this feels like the most beaten down Americans have ever been. And most people feel like

Speaker 25 they don't,

Speaker 25 most people don't like the fucking government. Sorry.
That's right. Right? Yeah.
And like, so, you know, simple says,

Speaker 25 why do you want to be in the government? No,

Speaker 25 this is our real problem.

Speaker 25 No, but you as a guy. I'm telling you, because the only solution to it is to get the government to work.
Because you've got massive, massive

Speaker 25 inequality

Speaker 25 in income.

Speaker 25 The countries that I grew up in, in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, I grew up up in the 80s, that my parents came through, the sense that everyone is going to have a real shot, that there's a dynamism.

Speaker 25 You know, I grew up on a street where you've got HVAC technicians, electricians, nurses. How do we build that?

Speaker 25 And the only way to build that for everyone in every place is to have a government that works, that's good. And yet we've got this problem that you basically have an economic aristocracy.

Speaker 25 You've got a bunch of people, many in my district. They think that they're entitled to rule.
They They think that they know better. They're the smartest.
They're going to figure things out.

Speaker 25 All the wealth is piling up there: $12 trillion in my district: Apple, Google, Nvidia, Tesla. And

Speaker 25 the only protection, the only way that we actually don't just let them dictate the rules and make all the wealth is to have an effective government.

Speaker 25 And yet you've got 70, 80% of Americans saying we don't want government. And so, how this is the central problem.
It's not like, what's our message or who do we run?

Speaker 25 Our central problem is how do we transform the economic opportunity in place for an American when we can't convince Americans about government? And there are a couple of things I think.

Speaker 25 This is why it was so much for Bernie. Bernie was basically saying he was making the case for government in the best way that someone has since FDR.

Speaker 25 And he was saying that given this economic aristocracy where you have this wealth and power coming together in campaign finance, the only shot we have is a people-centered movement.

Speaker 25 But if you go to the 2020 campaign, they did kind of try to incorporate more of the

Speaker 25 multiracial aspect, or yeah. Not that, what's it called? The

Speaker 25 what's the word? Intersectional. Intersectionality into his campaign.
I think Bernie kind of got confused and lost inside of that.

Speaker 25 He was like, My name is Bernie Sanders, like them, my pronouns, like,

Speaker 25 I'm a pansexual, of course.

Speaker 25 Jane and I are getting into pansexuality. I don't know what this means, but I've never listened to one song.

Speaker 25 You do a pretty good Bernie. What? You do a pretty good Bernie impression.

Speaker 25 Can you tell them that? I will tell them that. I won't tell them that.
I want to know, I think this is an interesting question that you're never asked, but like,

Speaker 25 you're in Congress, right? Right. You have a cafeteria on Congress? We do.
It's like the Longworth Cafe. What's your go-to in the cafeteria?

Speaker 25 I would get

Speaker 25 tacos.

Speaker 25 They got a good taco? They have a a decent tacos. You know where they have a good taco bowl? Trump Tower, apparently.

Speaker 25 Do you go in there? Is there a poker night?

Speaker 25 I don't do poker night. I'm sure there are.
Do you play basketball? I do, but not with people in Congress now. Really? No.
Like

Speaker 25 with my family when like

Speaker 25 you only play against Indians.

Speaker 25 I only play against Jews.

Speaker 25 Seriously, as a matter of the tenacity on display when it's an all-Jewish basketball game,

Speaker 25 the skill level could not be lower, but the passion, I can't explain. We play like Thanksgiving.
It's a family tradition. We'll all go to play basketball.
You've never hooped with Bernie?

Speaker 25 I have not hooped with Bernie. I imagine it's just the sharpest elbows.
I hear he's pretty good. The sharpest meat.
Bernie's pretty good, actually. Who are your boys? Jonathan Jackson.

Speaker 25 You go to the bar with him? Yeah, I mean, we'll have a drink here. Yeah.

Speaker 25 You have Movie Night Ever? Congress? These are stupid questions. I don't know why these aren't on the card.

Speaker 25 You know the movies they have. It's like Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 25 Ronald Reagan. Oh, they made a movie, right? They made a movie of Reagan.
So they'll the movies. Did they show that? They showed that.

Speaker 25 Oh, because the Republicans are in charge, they get to pick the movies?

Speaker 25 I mean, you could have any movie.

Speaker 25 So if the Democrats, wait, so there's an FC. So when Pelosi was speaker, she got to choose like the birdcage and stuff.

Speaker 25 And they pick what?

Speaker 25 Any memory, if you could get the actor, director, I mean, or sometimes they'll have these things where they'll bring them in for a movie showing. But the last one they did was Reagan.

Speaker 25 What's it like being in Congress? We do do stuff. What's your day?

Speaker 25 We go vote. You know, that's the basic feature.
Yeah, but no one shows up. We watch C-SPAN.
It's empty. Well,

Speaker 25 they don't show up when you're making speeches onto the. It's very rude.
They don't show up, but they show up, the bells go off. It's kind of like school.

Speaker 25 You know, a lot of being in Congress actually is just having a voice and speaking out. And so.

Speaker 25 That sounds like a bullshit. No, I mean, it's.
What does it mean? Like, you have to, to, you're surrounded by some of these people are the dread, like the dregs of humanity, right?

Speaker 25 You know,

Speaker 25 in these marble halls, you see a guy walking down the hall, you're like, oh, that guy's been accused of like potentially sleeping with a minor. Like,

Speaker 25 how do you, like, function in like a world of scoundrels? You know what I mean?

Speaker 25 How do you, like, I mean, the nation is a nation. No, no, no, come on.

Speaker 25 I mean, it's how, how do you, like, function in that world and not like,

Speaker 25 you know, you're also a politician. You have to play a game, right? Yeah.
You have to make deals. You have to co-sponsor legislation.
You have to find Republican parties.

Speaker 25 Well, there are two ways you could do it about it. You could go about it being, okay, I'm not going to work with anyone who doesn't meet a certain moral threshold.

Speaker 25 That hasn't been my approach. My approach has been, I want to go there and get stuff done for people

Speaker 25 and pass my bills. And so

Speaker 25 they were elected and I will work to see how I can get them to support it. I mean, that's, you know, that's

Speaker 25 the reality is you don't get people who are pure who are coming into these positions. Well, you got you.
Yeah, I'm not pure. You're not pure? Come on, how can you be pure?

Speaker 25 You got demons?

Speaker 25 You know, Bernie may be the closest to being pure, but even Bernie's got, you know, but Bernie, but Bernie, you know, Bernie really

Speaker 25 has a very, very high standard that he set.

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Speaker 25 You're a Democrat, and you guys are just fucking getting your asses kicked right now. We did this election.

Speaker 25 It doesn't seem like there's a cohesive message that's being employed against Trump right now.

Speaker 25 Well, I think the message, I agree with you, for two months or so there was it, but I think the message now is you can't just be Elon Musk and stop all payments to people who need it for Social Security and Medicare and childcare and that the Democrats are going to make sure that they don't cut all these benefits.

Speaker 25 How is it possible that someone that hasn't been vetted by Congress, someone that, I mean, it's a new department of the executive branch.

Speaker 25 How is it possible that

Speaker 25 it seems kind of like the executive power has just mushroomed at this point, right? Like how can Congress provide a check on that?

Speaker 25 Well, Congress can provide a check on it by insisting that they can't make any cuts unless they come to Congress.

Speaker 25 And we can do that by not giving Trump an increase in the debt ceiling or not helping fund what he wants to fund. But we've got to assert our power.

Speaker 25 We've got to be willing to say that, look, we're not going to vote for the funding you want or the debt ceiling increase. But what power do you guys have now that you're kind of out of power?

Speaker 25 Well, they still need our votes for the debt ceiling because the Republicans never vote for increasing the debt ceiling. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 But let's say he's cutting all these programs so that he's saving money. By like, I don't know, now we're going to get screws in our cans of tuna and planes are going to collide into each other.

Speaker 25 Is it just going to take like

Speaker 25 a slapstick level catastrophe, like nuclear waste like pouring into streets in order to stop this? Well, I hope not. I feel like they're going to fuck up so badly at some point.

Speaker 25 I certainly hope that it doesn't come to that.

Speaker 25 But I think what's going to trigger people also is if their benefits start to get cut, if they don't get a social security check, don't get a Medicaid check, don't get a check for their kids' education.

Speaker 25 Correct me if I'm wrong, but half the federal budget is military.

Speaker 25 Has he indicated that they're willing to go in and actually

Speaker 25 in a tangible sense?

Speaker 25 No, not in a tangible sense. They got into all the treasury stuff, they haven't gotten into the Pentagon stuff.
But

Speaker 25 the point is that I told Elon that I would be willing to work with him on Pentagon Cuts.

Speaker 25 Bernie even said that, but that wasn't where he focused. He's focused on U.S.
aid, which is less than 0.1% of the entire federal budget. The defense is 56%.

Speaker 25 What's your relationship like with Mr. Musk? Not good these days, but it used to be cordial.

Speaker 25 Is it Mr. Musk, or is he now the grand poo-bah of what is it?

Speaker 25 I don't know. I don't know his title.
He's become the czar of.

Speaker 25 When did you first meet this gentleman? 2010 or 11, around that time. And you were at Burning Man with him?

Speaker 25 No.

Speaker 25 I was not at Burning Man with him. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 25 I just sent him a copy of my first book. And he blurred.
And what was the response?

Speaker 25 Whether he read it or not, I don't know, but he gave me a good blurb. He said, ah, this is good.
We need more American manufacturing in America. You think he didn't read it? I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 25 He's a smart guy. I mean, so he may have read it.
Is he a smart guy? Who the fuck is this guy? He's a smart guy. I mean, I...
Is he a smart guy?

Speaker 25 Yeah, like

Speaker 25 once I had asked him, hey, Elon, what do you think of nuclear energy? He said, yeah, it's a great idea. It's called the sun.
We should capture it. I mean, he's, you know, he's quick on his feet.

Speaker 25 That's smart.

Speaker 25 You would have thought of it?

Speaker 25 Yeah, what do you mean? Like, yeah, solar energy? What do you mean? The connection that's a nuclear energy? Maybe.

Speaker 25 The sun has a lot of fire in it?

Speaker 25 That's like, well, what? Neil deGrasse-Tyson level.

Speaker 25 No, I mean,

Speaker 25 you're in an interesting position right now.

Speaker 25 That's one way of saying it. Because your district is Silicon Valley, right? Okay.

Speaker 25 And there's been a realignment in tech, like, to the right, right? We saw that. We saw that

Speaker 25 to the right, yeah. A move.

Speaker 25 I mean, they're still 70% Democrats, but it used to be 95% Democrats, so people feel they're hearing the 25%.

Speaker 25 The thing that drives me nuts about these people, and you're really not going to agree with me on this because you can't, and you shouldn't agree with me.

Speaker 25 But these are some of the biggest dildos in American society.

Speaker 25 How do you define dildos?

Speaker 25 They're people that understand

Speaker 25 the, they're capable of understanding the flaws and inefficiencies and the ills of society. Correct.
But they have the ego that says that only I, a genius, philosopher, king, am the one that...

Speaker 25 They love my speech. Make my speech go viral.
Everyone needs to listen to my FDO speech. I call it the aristocracy of talent, which this is what they believe.

Speaker 25 I have a line in there saying that they even believe that they want to separate the distinction between man and God. They want to get rid of immortality, which is true.

Speaker 25 They're trying to make us immortal. I mean, they really have this complex that they are entitled to rule.

Speaker 25 Let me, Steve, bannon you, Roe. Let me see, I'll write jokes for you.

Speaker 25 That would be good. You can give your like, this is going to be your city on the hill speech.
Silicon Valley are some of the biggest dildos in the society.

Speaker 25 Okay.

Speaker 25 It seems to me as if most of those companies don't ever make any freaking money, right?

Speaker 25 It seems like there's all these VC, like, like, old guys that get hoodwinked into giving an app that makes no, like Theranos is a perfect example of a phone. Well, Theranos obviously was a fraud, but.

Speaker 25 Oh, it was a fraud. I thought it was a great idea.

Speaker 25 But, you know, I mean, like,

Speaker 25 does Uber actually make money? I don't know if Uber does. They don't pay for lawyers.
I think it's money.

Speaker 25 Is it money laundering for the Saudis?

Speaker 25 They don't pay the workers. But in fairness, I mean, do you have an iPhone or a Samsung? Don't do this crap.
Do you use Google? Oh, are you a socialist? So why do you have a cell phone?

Speaker 25 No, no, I'm not taking that. What are you, freaking Marjorie Taylor Green?

Speaker 25 I'm saying those things are actually used. You don't get Amazon packages.
So it's not like they aren't used. No, no, that's the one guy that makes sense.

Speaker 25 Bezos makes sense. People have phones.
You know, they use the phones. Bezos makes sense.
Any Google searches.

Speaker 25 People do Google searches. Apple makes money.
Bezos.

Speaker 25 What? Okay.

Speaker 25 Anytime I want any crap, I get it to my house tomorrow. He reinvented the supply chain.
I don't know what about Google, searching. And he's also still a Miami guy.
You got the muscles and stuff.

Speaker 25 Bezos is like in a simple sense, it's like if you're in the old West and there's a general store, and then the Sears catalog comes, they're like, it's going to destroy the general stores.

Speaker 25 I mean, that's what Amazon's technically done. Plus,

Speaker 25 your whole thing is on YouTube. You're a Google guy.
Google makes money. Yeah.
There's three companies that make money.

Speaker 25 No, we're just talking about Apple, Google, Amazon, and now NVIDIA, because you need all the chips, right? Yeah, I know exactly what the NVIDIA, I know what that is.

Speaker 25 I love NVIDIA's. I watch them all the time.
And then Microsoft, you need the stuff to be somewhere in the servers. Windows 98.

Speaker 25 Incredible. Incredible.
No, no, but this is like what this freaking Musk. Is it just that he posts the lamest memes? for the for Reddit guys, right?

Speaker 25 And basically pumped a stock price of a company that made four cars that explode constantly and the new one is just,

Speaker 25 you know, obviously he's your best friend. You don't have to talk shit about it.

Speaker 25 Don't be a dick. So, he called you a dick? Yes.
You say, so say what he is.

Speaker 25 Use my line. Which is, look at the cat.
Dildo. Just say,

Speaker 25 say he's a dildo.

Speaker 25 No, okay. He calls me a dick.
I call him a dildo.

Speaker 25 I don't know if that's a fully symmetrical word. You're not.
You're a real human penis. This guy is a plastic.

Speaker 25 Okay, we're getting off.

Speaker 25 Do you think that the Democratic Party lost faith in the electorate by

Speaker 25 their constant assurance that Joseph Robinette Biden's intellectual faculties were,

Speaker 25 there was nothing wrong? Yeah, I think we, I think, yes. I mean, not that I think he was capable of still being president, but I think we had to acknowledge that there was a decline.

Speaker 25 When that debate happened, it was, I just felt so sad for America, right? It was like the rest of the world was watching it.

Speaker 25 We were being so embarrassing. Getting to that point,

Speaker 25 right? Like, as a party, like,

Speaker 25 just indicates that there is

Speaker 25 what is the DNC. Right.
And

Speaker 25 there's no one actually at the wheel right now. But like, if you think about it this way, in 2016, Ryan's Priebus lost control of the GOP, but there was still a power structure, right?

Speaker 25 The question is: what the hell is the DNC at this point? Well, it's a new guy now, Ken Martin. He was a Minnesota State Party chair, but he's not going to define the party.

Speaker 25 The party is going to be defined based on

Speaker 25 where the fight is for: are we going to be a progressive party or not? Are we going to stand up for Medicare for all? You just saw Jamal Bowman.

Speaker 25 get executed for but I look I think that for your listeners and stuff because

Speaker 25 we we are very very close to having a progressive takeover of the Democratic Party. I mean, Bernie was fighting uphill.
He was fighting all of the establishment forces, and he still almost won.

Speaker 25 And now we're

Speaker 25 five years later. What's the game plan there?

Speaker 25 The game plan is to make sure that we have, just like you had Bill Clinton, you have 20 years of these centrist corporate Democrats to make sure you have 20 years of progressive Democrats.

Speaker 25 They have money. Who? The Centrists.
The Centrists have the money. The Centrists have name ID.
So how do you beat money?

Speaker 25 You need the progressive base energized and mobilized, just like they were with Bernie, but they're more off us now. I mean, it's, you know, but the next presidential election will be 2028.

Speaker 25 That's eight years from when Bernie ran. That means there are

Speaker 25 a lot more people who can be part of the progressive base. And Bernie is only going to be 98 years older.
I'm going to say, if Bernie was 10 years younger, he'd be proud of the United States in 2028.

Speaker 25 I have no doubt about it. Because I think.
So what about me? You could.

Speaker 25 And you've got the comedian thing going for you because people kind kind of want an outsider. Maybe, okay, I'll do VP, Stephen A.
Smith, president.

Speaker 25 We've got to make Stephen, you've got to get him to be progressive. And the slogan is, that is preposterous.

Speaker 25 I like Stephen. There was a moment in 2016 where I knew Trump was for real, right? Where I think

Speaker 25 Lying Ted or Little Marco. Do you remember how funny that show was? I mean, it was the best show, the Republican primary.
Unreal, these people.

Speaker 25 And he was being so mean to all of them.

Speaker 25 He was just being like,

Speaker 25 oh, look at this loser over here. He told Jed that his dad

Speaker 25 killed Kennedy and did 9-11.

Speaker 25 Okay.

Speaker 25 He said,

Speaker 25 Lying Ted said,

Speaker 25 or Little Marco, I love the nicknames. Do you have a nickname? Has he given you one? No.
Slow row or something? I don't know.

Speaker 25 Whatever.

Speaker 25 He said, they said,

Speaker 25 how can we trust Donald when he gave money to Hillary Clinton?

Speaker 25 And Trump goes, Yeah,

Speaker 25 of course I did. Yeah.
I'm rich. I give money to everyone.
Yeah,

Speaker 25 it was a moment. He's like, everyone, here's how it works.
It was a moment where

Speaker 25 everyone knows that's true.

Speaker 25 But no one's willing to say it.

Speaker 25 Right? And he was like, and even though he's a liar, right? It was a moment where we were like, oh, this guy's actually saying the thing we know is all true. So I'm going to give you an opportunity.

Speaker 25 Okay. This is like.
How the fuck,

Speaker 25 do you really think you can fix this?

Speaker 25 Legitimately, it seems

Speaker 25 so broken. I'll tell you why I do.

Speaker 25 For two reasons.

Speaker 25 One, because Trump is going to break this thing so much. He's going to fuck up so bad.
And it's going to be such a moment of crisis that something new can emerge. Honestly, if Harris had won,

Speaker 25 I think, you know, obviously I worked really hard to see that happen, but to have big progressive change would have probably been harder because it would just kind of be more status quo.

Speaker 25 Here, we're really going to, Trump's really breaking everything down, and people are going to be desperate for something new. Now, maybe that new will be like J.D.
Vance's,

Speaker 25 you know, the

Speaker 25 we own the libs politics. I don't, or it could be something.

Speaker 25 progressive and bold. I mean, so it's going to be a moment.
The second reason is that Bernie Sanders did 90% of the work.

Speaker 25 You know, the movement he built in 2020 got to like the top of the mountaintop and then they cut his legs from him after South Carolina. So everyone's like forgotten how close he came.

Speaker 25 And we're going to be four to six, you know, six years later now in 2026. And so the movement is there to bring real change.

Speaker 25 And they want, what the establishment wants is people listening to your show to think, ah, it's not possible. It's not, change can't happen.

Speaker 25 But if that movement exists, we're going to have for the next 20 years progressives actually winning in the Democratic primary parties and change is possible. I just, in a very cold, calculated way.

Speaker 25 It's different. And this is where, you know,

Speaker 25 we may disagree. I have a lot.
I admire Obama, but Obama was running in 2008. It was before any of the progressive movement.

Speaker 25 He couldn't do a lot of the change. You can't, no politician can bring the change if the movement and the people aren't there.
The movement and the people there are there. So

Speaker 25 now what we need is just a politician who's going to be like, I'm not going to fight the movement. I'm going to try to do what the movement wants.
But does the movement exist?

Speaker 25 Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it needs to be sparked. You know, the standard, the sense we're going to have as a party, I don't know what we're going to go.

Speaker 25 The one way, and I don't want to mention names, the one thing will be like, let's figure out how do we have like the younger, more charismatic Joe Biden lead us, you know, safe, someone who's going to get not

Speaker 25 rattle too many people.

Speaker 25 And maybe we'll go that way. And then we'll have more of the same status quo, but we won't be like firing FBI agents and we won't be stopping the Department of Education for funding things.

Speaker 25 So it'll be better than Donald Trump, but

Speaker 25 people are still going to be upset.

Speaker 25 And what I'm going to say, remind people is the establishment is

Speaker 25 one for four in the last national elections. Hillary Clinton lost, Joe Biden won, then Joe Biden lost, and Kamala Harris lost in 2024.
They both had a short, it's one for four.

Speaker 25 That's not a great track record. And I wish, I honestly wish Bernie Sanders was 10 to 15 years younger, because I think it would be a no-brainer he'd be president.
But given

Speaker 25 that that's not the case, we're going to have to

Speaker 25 build that movement again, but it exists. And you're going to get Bernie on the show? I'm going to try.

Speaker 25 I'm going to try.

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