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We're going to talk about a rollicking Sunday. Just a bizarre set of early

games. Then some late games that

seem promising and then were disappointing, but

weirdly, weirdly interesting for the season.

And a whole bunch of other stuff, including

Parent Corner. It's all next.
First, our

friends from

Pearl Jam. all right we are live it is almost 8 30 pacific time sal this is the first time I've ever done a live podcast right after losing a 13-point tease because the Packers decided to just throw it late for a touchdown.
And then the Seahawks just decided to hand the ball off the last three minutes. This is why you don't do 13-point tease, Sal.
This is what I learned today. They're super dumb.
I don't know how I kept winning them. Well, yeah, because you, you're what, there are four teams, right? And you kind of have to win like all 12 games before you lose a game, right? To make money.
I don't know. It's tough.
That game sucked. The whole day sucked.
I was so disappointed. It was like nine hours of Tyson versus Paul.
Like this was supposed to be a great day. I had still football, so it's great.
But not one game was solidly compelling from start to finish. I'm so disappointed.
I didn't even lose that much money. Well, I lost my, this was my first like semi-ass kicking in a long time.
It's not bad then. Four games I really liked and I was just dead wrong on three of them.
I disagree though because I thought the early games were so incompetent and awful and poorly played and there were so many bad QBs and so much weird shit. I actually kind of enjoyed it.
Yeah. I guess we should have known.
Every TV something stupid was was happening. And there was some of the worst quarterback play.

I mean, who did we have in the early ones?

We had Mac Jones.

Levis, he got benched.

Jameis, he got benched.

Hayner got benched.

Rattler, DeVito, Boyle, Bryce Young should have been benched.

Cooper Rush and Zombie Rogers.

We're all playing on different TVs all again. We had three benchings.
You didn't even mention the worst one it was Tua I mean it really is the worst I don't know when in the order you want to get to that game now I had this for later let's do the bad QB draft now the week 15 bad QB draft of everyone we saw today and I have a a 12 person list. Wow.
Okay. Who's your, who is your worst one today? I'm good.
I know stats wise, he wasn't the worst, but, and I might just be saying this because he screwed my fantasy season. I would have, I switched him out for Bo Nix at the last minute, but two is number one.
And in terms of like who I wouldn't want on my team. And I'm sorry.
I know dolphins fans are going to get mad at me and us, but the way he contorts his body, I mean, there's three things he does that are horrible. His body language is such that he turns his body, which allows the D-backs to jump the route.
No other quarterback really does it like this. And then he puts, you know, I'm glad this guy's in stable condition, that they had to rip the jersey off and everything, but this is what's going to happen with Tua.
Also, he's obviously injury prone. Also, he can't win in cold weather playing in the AFC East.
I'm sure he's a nice guy. I'll keep sending him Christmas cards.
I'll never stop. But he's the worst.
He really is the worst. Well, he's the worst in the sense that he tantalizes you with the potential of something that seems pretty awesome.
That too. And then just pulls the rug out from underneath you.
Today he had three picks and threw a pass that led his teammate right into an oncoming train basically and the game got stopped for 20 minutes. I've been on this bandwagon the whole time and he's been a divisive guy since college and the Dolphins fans are really protective of him.
But to me, everything has to be perfect.

And every play and situation and the teammates,

and he's got to throw the ball within two seconds,

and it's got to be a quick slant.

And every once in a while,

a receiver's just going to get crushed over the middle.

And then every once in a while,

he's just going to throw the ball to the other team,

and the weather has to be good.

And in a dome, he's great.

And it's all these excuses.

It's like if you hired a personal chef who is a pizza chef and you were like, but I, you know, I don't want any pizza seven days a week. And the guy's like, okay.
And then like day five, it's like, Hey, I made a pizza again. It's like, I like, what about chicken? Anything like, could you, can you make a soup? Like, no, no, I actually whipped up this really good meatball pizza.
And at some point, he's just serving pizza. And that's Tua.
I like that. He's serving pizza day after day after day in these games.
I just think he's a 500 or worse quarterback. Can I simplify it a little bit with another food analogy? He's the Krispy Kreme.
He gets creamed. He's the creamed and crispy, but the Krispy Kreme has to be perfect.
But whenever you have a Krispy Kreme like, oh no, you got, you have to have it right when it's out of the oven. It's got to be 80 degrees and it's got to be outdoors and the receivers have to be healthy.
And he's got to get rid of the ball in three seconds. But if you have a three-day-old crispy cream or one-day-old or that night, forget it.
We're talking about things. Well, Chang would say one-day-old crispy cream is one of the most delicious desserts.
Oh, he puts it in a pan with the ice cream. He pans it, pan-fries it.
He's talking about. Chang would say one day old Krispy Kreme is one of the most delicious desserts.
That's when he bangs it. He pans it, pan fries it.
He's a magician. That's not fair.
Yeah. Yeah.
There's this place in LA I don't want to name, but it's a donut place. And you walk in and you, when you go in to buy donuts, you're like, oh, I'll just, can I get a half dozen donuts? You think they make the donuts individually.
It's like a weird foofy LA thing.

I know what you're talking about.

Where it's like, no, no, we tell us what donut you make.

And then we're going to make it right.

And it's going to be like fresh for you.

And then you're in the donut shop for 10 minutes. And by the time the donut comes out, it's like, I could have already put down like two

sprinkled donuts by the time I was waiting for this donut.

Right.

Maybe that's Tua.

I don't know.

It's called Tua's.

It's Tua's of LA.

I just want the Dolphin fans to

admit, deep down, they know.

Stop defending this. Just stop.

I

was big on Mac Jones for

that first year when he was

a rookie, and he made the playoffs, and

he played in the Pro Bowl, and I was like, this guy's

a game manager. He can do it.
And he just

got worse and worse, and eventually

you just have to give up and say, you know what? I was wrong. Mac Jones is not a starting QB, which I then thought again today, as I watched him today, Mac Jones, not really a starting QB.
Two is not somebody that's going to win three playoff games in a row ever at any point in his career. There's no situation where that's going to happen.
No, I even thought, well, maybe first of all, it was 78 degrees degrees in Houston. I don't know why I thought they played it.
It was 78 degrees. It's in a Cowboys-type dome where you can still feel the outside and see the sky, but whatever.
So he's my number one. I know that's dumb to take him over somewhere.
No, this is a passionate trap. My daughter's boyfriend, huge Dolphin fan, when we text all the time about Tua, and he vacillates between defending Tua but then also getting mad when he has games like he had today yeah it's like you're in school a brother yeah I know my number one is this hainer person that played for the Saints today who lasted about I don't know a half and then they were like you know what maybe Spencer Rattler is better than you like like, you know what? Maybe Spencer Rattler is better than you.
Like, I don't know what, how bad Spencer Rattler is that he lost the competition to Hainer, but Hainer was in there for a brief, I don't know what an hour and a half against Washington. Um, nothing, nothing was happening.
And we, we knew a bunch of people that had Washington and teases, and it just seemed like you were in safe hands with Hayner. Then Rattler comes in, and it's worse for Hayner because it's like, oh, no, Rattler's in.
Uh-oh. So I would have Hayner.
I feel like it's another insurance ad that we'd be pounded with. You're in safe hands with Hayner.
And then there he is throwing. Yeah, he had the headshots that got him the job, and then Rattler came in.
Yeah, we could talk about the end of that game later. That was insane.
Oh, my God. Well, it's so funny.
Like, first year at Grantland, we did the bad QB draft. We created this whole scoring system.
Jacoby wrote a piece about it every week. He did all the scoring.
And the premise was like, there's just so many. This is the glory days of bad QBs.
But you would think at some point it would get better, and it just hasn't. You know? three point shooting got better in basketball and in baseball, like pitchers throw faster and, you know, there's more strikeouts like things change.
And for whatever reason, quarterback play has not changed in football. It's a few reasons.
Jacoby would get carpal tunnel syndrome trying to write that article in 2000. Oh, my God.
All right. So I have Hayner.
Who's your next pick? All right, well, you know, these are going to be personal because I stupidly had Tennessee as my upset. Don't, come on, don't laugh at that.
That's not nice. I'm just laughing because I knew who you were going to take.
I mean, why do I do it though? I mean, at least you hadn't seen Hayner, right? At least there could have been a surprise in there. How much data do I have to see on Will Levis

before I stop betting on him or betting on that team?

And I now think of it now as like,

these teams like Cincinnati,

if they want to look good, play a Will Levis.

If I want to look good in a family photo,

I'll stand next to my fattest relative.

This is what the Bengals did.

They found the fattest relative as Will Levis. 10 turnovers in that game.
Not all Will Levis, although it seemed like it. He's disgusting.
He's gross. He's number two for me.
Well, did you see Titans-Bengals today? It was the first game with 10 turnovers and 20-plus penalties since 2006. Wow.
18 years since we've had that kind of incompetence. And you could feel it.
If you had multiple TVs and that was one of the games, you could feel the incompetence. So he had three interceptions and a pick six as one of the three, which maybe we call the Levis from now on.
He would have had more. They took him out.
They shouldn't have taken him out. They should have punished him further for that.
Yeah, they should have explained to Brian Callahan the full DeLome and how important that is. What was that? Five picks, including a pick six, was the full DeLome.
Yeah, go for the record. He's bad, but that's one of those things where we knew he was bad last year.
I know. My fault.
My fault. No, no.
But I'm saying the Titans, they get rid of Rabel. They're bringing this new coach.
The GM wins this power struggle because Will Levis is his guy, new coach, and now they need a QB. Congrats.
Can I have Boyle and DeVito as a combo for my next pick? Sure. A dual entry? Sure.
Yeah, you could have them. I couldn't.
At one point, they changed QBs and I just couldn't tell the difference on my, because I had, they were on a TV that had no sound. I had no idea that DeVito even left a concussion.
Impossible to say. DeVito does this after every play.
He does it. He does it.
He does it. That's how you know the difference.
All right. Who's your next one? All right.
You have a dual entry there. No, that kind of...
Those kind of... Yeah, that's fine.
That's fine. Some good ones.

You know what?

I know there's some lesser experienced guys

that I should probably go with.

Mac Jones.

I had him on my board.

Of course.

How could he not?

And I guess when you have coach middle seat,

everything's going to look bad anyway.

But Mac Jones still making rookie mistakes.

And I think we saw the same play.

They were driving.

It was like third and...

No, it was like second and goal from the sixth.

Right, right, right. And he rolled right

and he had time. He had like everybody beat.

He wasn't going to make it to the end zone,

but he did not have to step out of bounds.

And he sure as hell did. He could have flung

it into the third row and it would have been fine.

And it's like, oh man, I have money on that

guy too. This is awful.
Why are they even playing the early games? Yeah, a little. I always bet against the Jets.
But I mean, anytime the Jets beat. No, you wonder how bad it was because he was rolling out and he was four yards behind the line of scrimmage.
Right. And the guys were coming and he was going to do the Zach Wilson where he's just going to chuck it out of bounds.
And instead he did like the stutter step out of bounds and then seemed like he talked shit

to one of the defensive linemen.

And it was just like,

you lost four yards for literally no reason.

There was no reason to lose four yards in that play

that any of us could think of.

But it's funny, like having watched him as he,

I swear he was really solid as a rookie.

I really-

Does that scare you a little bit?

Because you praise your guy.

No, it's not even, it's like comparing a Ferrari to a Cherokee. Sure it is now.
Drake May was always an awesome SUV that you could go cross-country with and the stereo was going to work. We always knew what he was.
But it was like, can you be this awesome game manager and just kind of not make mistakes and be smart. But the stuff that he was doing today, it was all stuff he did the last two and a half years for the Pats.
Just the inexplicable sailing it over somebody's head. The terrible red zone stuff, the just missing a wide open guy, the scramble out of bounds for no reason.
Like it's just, it is who he is. Yep.
Never going to change. And then the other thing I don't miss is the, either he throws the pick or a terrible pass and they see the defense is celebrating.
And then you just know you're going to get the cut to Mac Jones, just kind of stomping off. Like, yeah, you know, I was just like, I was getting PTSD watching it.
That's how he was drafted. The same stomp.

He doesn't change the stomp.

He stomps down the, yeah.

All right.

So that's mine.

That's what I said.

I do think like some quarterbacks, like Wentz was really good for Philly and now, and then

all of a sudden wasn't good.

Right.

Like Jameis was always up and down.

He never had a moment where he seemed awesome, but our guy, Josh Freeman was awesome for

like, oh yeah.

Mack was never awesome,

but it seemed like he was going to have

at least a 10-year career

and be Andy Dalton.

Yeah, how do certain guys figure it out

and certain guys don't?

It's just weird.

And you wonder if they're practicing

at all during the week.

But go ahead.

Well, I had Mack.

Mack was on my board,

but my next guy is Richardson on the Colts,

who cannot complete 50% of his passes, which in the NFL in 2024, when you're not allowed to hit the quarterback, you're not allowed to hit receivers over the middle. You just have all these advantages all over the place to not even be able to complete half your passes.
It's a real obstacle for them. And sometimes they can overcome it, especially in close games games like they came back and beat the pats but uh against the uh the broncos it was so bad it led to the worst play of the year yeah i like if there was a worst play every year like the espies like the worst play that what was that year when jacoby myers lateral backwards and it got i like that intercepted by the raiders and scored like we oh my God, I can't believe it.
There was a pick six on a double pass that swung the Colts-Broncos game. And this is a game where Jonathan Taylor dropped the ball before he ran into the end zone to celebrate.
And somehow that wasn't the worst play of the game because this was worse. Yes.
At one point, it was eight for 22 with a few dozen passing right in a close game where you needed him to convert a third down he wasn't doing it and you're exactly right they and steichen has to take shit for this but the double pass reverse thing was a better option even though there was probably a 30 chance that it was a pick six or a fumble whatever the hell that was called have you ever seen that play before like? Not really. I think someone was probably supposed to be blocking that guy but still that was their best option.
It's really bad. And it made me sad because Lombardi who took this UNC job for Belichick and this is the kind of shit that he used to love and it definitely would have been a big podcast thing for him.
But now we're going to have to carry the slate that Shane Steichen has to call a double pass that gets picked off for a pick six because his quarterback can't complete an eight-yard pass. I don't know what you do.
It's looking like a really bad draft pick at this point. I feel horrible for the guy, but yeah.
Today he was 17 for 38.

Yeah, and he made a comeback, like I said. It was

8 for 22 at some point.

Yeah, so...

That goal line thing, because you brought it up,

what the hell's going on with that epidemic?

It happened twice today, where the guys are

dropping balls like a quarter of a yard before

the goal line. I don't know

what the... I had this

coming up later, but I'm happy to discuss this

now, because

do people black out when they're about to

It's going to be a little bit better. the goal line like i don't know what the what goes on this coming up later but i'm happy to discuss this now because i do people black out when they're about to score it's the only thing i can think of is it like having an orgasm where you just kind of lose perspective but you're like you just like lose the ball what other explanation could there be right do you literally like black out there was a big end zone.
Professional athletes. Right in front of you before you had the orgasm.
Yes, it would be the same thing. But you should be able to figure out where not to drop.
Like this doesn't happen in other sports. Like Juan Soto's not rounding third.
And then when he's between third and home, takes off for the dugout. I had to mention Juan Soto because he's the greatest player of all time.
But yeah. Maybe you'll get invited in his 22-person suite.
Oh, that'd be nice. Just cross the goal line with the ball.
Come on. But the thing is, it's not like this happens once every seven years.
This happens like four times a year in college and pro football. It feels like it happens once a month, right? And I'm sure Jonathan Taylor was pointing and laughing at Deshaun Jackson or whoever the hell did it in college or anything, right? And then they ended up doing it themselves.
Because the other thing that always drives us crazy is when the guy reaches to try to score near the goal line and the ball gets batted out or he fumbles it, you know, through the end zone. That's more understandable because it's like, all right, the guy's doing everything he can to try to score.
This is just, it's a full-fledged blackout. All right, so I had Richardson, so you're up.
There's some good ones left still. Oh, I'm up.
Okay. All right, let's see.
I could read you who slept on the board. Well, let me just go with Jameis.
I love him, though, too. Damn.
I really do love him. But I need to see

there's not the excitement. We're not

getting to the top of the roller coaster anymore.

We just keep falling. You know what I mean?

It's been really bad for two weeks now.

Yeah. It's not that

good. And, you know, he got sacked

a bunch and threw four interceptions.

But, of course, I

had the Browns plus four and a half or five. But But yeah, he's you can't depend on him at all.
Yeah, Jameis is like he's like s'mores. It's amazing to have s'mores once in a while.
They're the greatest thing ever. But if you ate it every night, you just get diabetes and eventually die.
Jameis is super fun to toast Jameis and marshmallows. Let's get a fire.
Oh, put it in there. We should have had house for this.
A dessert version of ranking the bad quarterbacks. Krispy Kreme donuts, s'mores.
Who gets the Mike and Ikes? I don't know. I guarantee Chang's having a great time listening to this.
Jameis has 13 touchdowns and 12 picks this season, which I mentioned because he didn't play for the first half of the season. He's a 30-30 guy.
Six games? Right. He's got a lot of work to do to get to 30-30.
Yeah. Well, there's still some good guys left.
I'm going to go Rattler just because the fact that his coach decided at some point this week, yeah, let's try Hayner. To me, that's got to be on Rattler's resume, who's actually pretty good in the comeback today against Washington.
But I'll go Rattler. All right, you take in.
We have three left. Give me a choice.
We have Bryce Young's left. We have Cooper Rush's back.
We just saw Howell. I can't stand Sam Howell.

Mike, I got to get out of here and go Christmas shopping.

I got to go get Jack of Cuisinart.

I can't watch this idiot.

I actually forgot how Sam Howell's unique trait

of just standing in the pocket

has slowly collapsed on him like a building.

Right.

He did it four times in the game.

He never veers out. He's like, ah! Statuesque.
Really good. I'll put him on the list because that was maybe a game they could have played back into teaser territory, but not because, not while he was in, for sure.
I have, I'll take Bryce Young next, just because he looked good at the start of the game for like, I don't know, one pass. And I wrote down because Stroud was already like kind of struggling in the Houston game.
And I wrote down, we got to talk about could Stroud versus Bryce be an argument again. And then Bryce proceeded at four picks.
I might have said that on a podcast. It was really awful.
Yeah. That was, yeah.
Against your team, not exactly the 85 Bears. I'll tell you, I was a little depressed, even though I'm out on my team.
When we did Guess the Lines, it was like one and a half. Then it went to two and a half.
I'm like, this team hasn't been favored in 34 games. And now my crap-ass Cowboys team catches the two and a half points.
But they stood up, man. I think they got pissed off by that.
I really do. That was their best complete game since I look back since I think the first time they beat the Bills in the Super Bowl, 52-17.
This was after that the best game they've played. All right.
So I guess I have to take Cooper Rush and then you could have the last pick and take Washed Rogers if you want. Yeah, I'll take him.
Although, like I said, this is the fat family member to stand next to. You play a team bad enough, then you're going to look good.
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Wash Rogers is always there. That Jets-Jaguars game, I thought was an absolute delight between some of the quarterback moments, some of the game management, and then the Jets, who really all they had to do was kneel, do something and they, they just could have kicked a field goal and the Jaguars would have the ball back with 10 seconds left.
And instead the jets charge it and score. What's that coach's name? Ulbricht who the guy's going to get fired when the season ends, they can't, they can't interview a bill Belichick or Mike Vrabel apparently, even though the season's not over.
But so they just let and then all of a sudden it seems like jacksonville can come back down yeah and uh it was just one of the dumber things it kind of got under the radar because it was two terrible teams who cares they're both three and ten but it was just kind of stunning nobody does shit like that anymore yeah the jets are like look are you sure you want to lose this game at home in front of these fans we'll give it to you we're giving you a chance here but yeah Yeah. The Jets are like, look, are you sure you want to lose this game at home in front of these fans? We'll give it to you.
We're giving you a chance here. Yeah.
The fact that Belichick met with them earlier in the year is just... I mean, I do believe it.
I do believe it. You hate that.
You hate that there's even a 3% chance that that's true. There's three scenarios.
One is the Jets are full of shit and leaking this and

it's not true because they hate Belichick

and want to make him look bad. The second

scenario is that he

kicked the tires with them.

Not because

he wanted to work with them, but because he wanted to

gauge interest just in general, what the

league interest was in him.

And then the third door is that he

actually wanted to work for them, which

I will never believe for the rest of my life

that Bill Belichick

Thank you. league interest was in him.
And then the third door is that he actually wanted to work for them, which I will never believe for the rest of my life, that Bill Belichick, the guy who hated the Jets, hated them. Every time the Patriots played them would try to pour it on and embarrass them in games, like despise them.
Then got his 12 media gigs this year and lob shots at the Jets the entire season and Woody Johnson, like can't stand them. And now he wants to work for them.
I'm just, my shit detector is going off left and right. He clearly, they, they, all these different people reported it, including our guy Schrager.
So I, something happened, but I don't, I don't, I don't know what it was. It almost feels like when, uh, the Turk and the Godfather is like, Hey, let's meet Luca Brasi.
We'll try to bring them over. And then all of a sudden, Luka's getting the fork stabbed in his hand on the table and they're strangling him.
I wonder, is Belichick trying to pull a move on the Jets? Interesting. I don't know.
I just don't think he would ever work for them. I just don't believe it.
No, but I know. But he's not the most righteous dude in the world.
I think your second scenario is pretty... It could happen.
He kick the tires. You don't think he'd take a call from Woody Johnson as much as he hated them? It really depends on how much he wanted to break this record.
Would you take a call from Aaron Rogers' media company? Hey, we want to hire you, Sal. Yeah, would you work for Aaron Rogers? Actually, I have something to talk to you about, Phil.
I know it's going to sound weird. Aaron, you know, he's misunderstood.

I just don't believe it.

I honestly think Bill Belichick would rather retire than work for the Jets.

I don't believe it.

And also, they don't have a quarterback.

If he was going to be in the NFL, it would be to try to break the Shula record.

He's like, good luck on that team.

I just don't believe it.

So I don't know why they had communications, but I don't think he was like, man, I hope I get this awesome Jets job. They have made the playoffs since 2012.
Well, they should just ask him. He'll tell the truth.
I think this worked out great for him. This North Carolina thing, I know I did a pod on it the other day.
The more I read and listen, hear everybody like, this is amazing. He has this, he was already the greatest NFL coach ever.
Now he could have this last act in North Carolina and like kick ass for them. It's cool.
Everybody loves him there already. Yeah.
I mean, and he really pivoted because he made everyone think he wanted to go for the record for most wins in the NFL. But as it turns out, he wants to go for the most losses all time in college football.
And that's why he's with Carroll. No, I think it's a good move.
I think

he did everything right. And I think you probably said it about doing all the media for a year.

He's loose. He still gets it.
He's still in tune with the football. Even the girlfriend,

I get it. I'm sure they're madly in love, but it really does show that he could wrangle and relate to younger people.
This is going to work. I think it's going to work.
And so what? The team was 6-4 and they lost their last two in a conference where the team that won the conference is the 12th seed in the NCAA. He could turn it around.
It's not impossible. Well, it's also not like Jim Harbaugh going to Michigan and having to build the whole thing and recruit people.
College football now, you're just basically buying a team. Right.
And you're just trying to outmaneuver people and steal people. He's going to recruit 35 guys and so eight of them have to hit versus NFL where you can only draft like seven dudes and four of them have to hit.
I think the odds are in his favor for sure. No rules is good for him.
All right. The big game today was Detroit Buffalo.
Yeah. Who are basically the same team.
I realized as I was watching, I know, I know Buffalo one, but need the lead explosive offense, unstoppable and can't get stops. Right.
So it's kind of like whoever is up 10-0, the game's over. And in this game, for whatever reason, Buffalo took the early lead, and then Detroit's playing catch-up after that.
But it's a recipe that usually does not work to actually win the title, is my point. I agree.
I read this stat. Here's a good stat for you.
So Buffalo 30 plus in eight games in a row. Pretty hard to do.
The other teams who have done that, the 2000 Rams, 2007 Pats, 2010 Pats, and the 2013 Broncos, zero Super Bowls with those teams. Wow.
They always have a chance to break the trend, but I just feel like we've seen teams like this that are awesome offensively with an awesome player. But if you can't get stops at some point, that's killing you.
It's so funny because the reverse that I saw was that the chiefs have not scored 31 points this year and any, and they compared it to other teams who have not scored 31 and they will have two wins, three wins, four wins. Like, they're all junk.
And through the years, they've all been junk. So, yeah, there should be a happy medium.
But, yeah, I mean, that's my Super Bowl, Detroit-Buffalo. It wasn't good.
I wish that game was entertaining, but it just wasn't good. I never thought the Lions could come back.
I mean, I know people get on Campbell for onside kicking there, but the Lions gave up 8.2 yards per play. They kind of had to do something at some point.
Now, can we argue about this? Because it was terrible. It's a terrible decision.
It's terrible because if it was a sneak onside kick with the old rules, I'm all for it. I get it.
You have to announce it's an onside kick. So it's basically it's like you say it low.
You just say it really

low. So they kind of can't.
Yeah.

What is it like 6% 7%

something like that. I know that kick.

So that's one out of every

12 converts their defense. So

they're basically saying their defense

can't stop Buffalo's offense

11 out of 12 times

and that an onside kick is better

option than that. There's no way you could tip a pass.
There's all different ways to stop an offense 11 out of 12 times and that an outside kick is better option than that there's no way you could tip a pass there's all different ways to stop an offense 11 out of 12 eight yards of play it's kind of the same thing right you probably look up and down nobody gets onside kicks we've seen like one recovered the whole year it's like you might as well freaking buy a lottery ticket i mean like alan was jogging for first downs i mean he must have looked up and down the roster. So Carlton Davis was hurt.
Dorsey was carted off. McNeil, the injury got worse and worse.
I get it. But I get it.
He is too aggressive in general. That was too aggressive.
If you're just doing percentages, it's no contest. Your defense, they could fumble a shotgun snap.
They could drop a pass. Like, all kinds of things could happen.
Onside kick, it's basically a miracle. So Detroit, the reason I picked them and lost was I thought they were going to run the ball down Buffalo's throat.
And I don't know why I wouldn't have thought that because Buffalo can't stop the run. Detroit's great at it.
Detroit, 15 carries for 48 yards. Goff ends up throwing 59 times for 494 and 5 TDs.
But the team that ran the ball down somebody's throat was Buffalo. And they ran for almost 200 yards, including Allen.
They ran for four TDs, 28 first downs, 559 yards. And this is what, you know, I get it.
If you're picking this, if you're picking Buffalo in this game, you're saying Detroit's defense cannot handle Josh Allen, and that turned out to be the correct answer. Yeah,

but it's also screwed up. I know what you're

saying. Like, Goff threw five touchdowns,

and he had five

interceptions against, was it, the

Texans? And he won that game, but

lost this game. But lost this one.

The season's kind of screwy.

It really is. Well, how about this? Buffalo

in the last two weeks

has given up 86 points over 1,000 yards and 53 first downs in the last two weeks. I know the Josh Allen thing is super fun, but this is not how you win Super Bowls.
And somebody's going to get them at some point. Unless he would have to be superhuman in a way.
Very few guys in the history of the league have just thrown a team on their back, I think, to win with the defense he has. But Detroit's defense is worse.
They lost three more guys today. They lost McNeil.
McNeil might be out for the year. So it's never been a better spot, I don't think, for this Eagles team that everyone gave up on, including me three months ago.
Yeah, I'm trying to think of the one seed is a little, I saw 43% for Detroit, 34% for the Eagles. And yet Minnesota controls their own destiny.
If they win, they have tough games, but if they win all three, or I guess four now, they still have to play tomorrow, then they get the one seed. Because they got Detroit last week of the season.
Right. And a game that we had thought for weeks and weeks, that would be the game where Detroit rested everybody and Minnesota was going to be favored by 11 and a half.
That's not happening. Yeah.
Here's the bad news for Detroit. This is another stat I read.
No team has ever allowed 45 points in a home game

and then won the Super Bowl.

Wow.

So they did that today.

Your Patriots never did that?

No, apparently not.

Bill Belichick's defense?

No.

Yeah, it sucks for them

because if this was the 1950s

and we played a 12-game schedule,

they would be in dynamite shape.

That's true.

Well, on the positives

for Buffalo,

there's some, a mini,

he's not good enough to be a Ewing

Theory guy, but there's a little mini Ewing Theory

case for Stephon Diggs now.

They lose him and they're more exciting,

more fun. Josh's having the best year ever.

They beat Casey and they beat

Detroit. That's good.
It's good. Um, I think the big thing for me though, is we, I would have said eight weeks ago, who was going to finish the season is the most exciting guy in the league.
And Lamar would have been like a minus 1000 favorite. Like Lamar, we talked about on this pod, like Lamar almost had to be on a multi view screen screen because he's so exciting.
And Josh kind of leapfrogged him, it feels like, right? He's the most exciting guy in the league down there. I don't think Lamar even got less exciting, but the shit Josh is doing, it's like watching a senior in high school playing like the freshman team.
And he's just like, I'm going to fuck around. I'm trying to impress this girl in the stands.
I'm just going to do some stuff. And just like demolishing them.
Even the flip passes on third down that just have to get over the line. Like he's just doing, like I said, he's like jogging out of bounds for seven yards.
And maybe it was mostly because it's a line. I think what we learned from the Bills, as bad as the defenses and everything, they are a tough out.
They're really, they're never, we saw that with the Rams, right? The Rams had them dead to rights.

They didn't belong in that game at all.

They're a tough out.

And when they get up,

they're going to get up too much

and it's going to be hard to come back on them.

So it might just be enough.

By the way, that MVP run,

you know, it should be an SB probably

for multi-view player of the year.

But that MVP is over.

I don't know if in reality,

Saquon ever had a chance, but he's minus 900 now, Josh Allen. It's over.
Well, the thing with Josh, I was thinking about the great quarterback seasons. Since we were in college, 1989, only six quarterbacks have won MVP in Super Bowl in the same season, unless I miss somebody.
Mahomes was the last one in 22. Manning did it in 06.
Oh, Manning didn't do it in 06 because Tomlinson won, so he's out. Kurt Warner, Favre, Steve Young in 94, and Montana in 89.
But your guy didn't win? Brady never did it. My guy never had the MVP, but then also one that like he, he wanted an 07 and 17, but didn't, they didn't win the title those years.
So, but then there's this different title. When somebody has a season, like the one he's having that it's just like a memorable season.
Like Rogers had that awesome 2011 2011 season, but then the Giants beat him in the playoffs. But that whole regular season is incredible.
Cam had that awesome 2015 season. You know, Brady had that awesome 07 season that was like iconic.
And then they lost anyway. And I wonder which camp is Allen going to be in.
If I had to bet, I would probably bet he's going to be in that Brady 07 side. Like incredible, memorable, unbelievable season, but it wasn't good enough to win the Super Bowl.
So, but how many teams could beat him? Like, you know, like, I don't know. They already beat, I know they never count the Chiefs out now with Mahomes, it might get sketchy anyway, but who, who stops them in the AFC? You think Lamar? I think

it's a team that outscores them

and gets the lead on them first and

makes them play from behind, basically.

It's not easy. I think that's how it would have to do.

That's how it would have to happen. But the best teams are

in the NFC. But yeah, you're

right. This could be a year.
It would be great.

Did you pick them to win or you picked them to make it?

I picked them to win. I picked them to beat the Lions.

That'd be amazing for you. Certainly atone for a lot of sins of predictions you made in August.
In August? I thought we did well. No, you're right.
Yeah. I had enough of the Browns and the Raiders and just shitty teams like that.
You learned, though. You learned.
You learned. Oh, yeah.
I'm still betting Will Levis. I learned a lot.
Yeah. Well, that wasn't your fault.

But yeah, I mean,

the fun thing about Buffalo is that it's just

super fun, but you know, the Jim Kelly teams

are also super fun, so at some point

we'll see if this can translate,

but the thing that's been

so cool about it is just

it was like this thing,

I remember I talked about

it after Bill Walton died when I went to see him and he was talking about larry bird and he was talking about the when this last level when it's like not just the performance but the artistry of the performance and how you resonate with the crowd like it feels like alan's gone to another level with some of this stuff like he's just so great to watch on some of these plays like my wife was sitting down with me for for a quarter and she's just like, that guy's amazing. Is he the best guy in the league? I'm like, yeah, he actually is.
Yeah. Good call.
But he just jumps out of the TV now. But imagine what her reaction would be if she had watched the 10 a.m., the 1 p.m.
games out here. That's true.
And then watched Josh Allen.

It's like, oh, my God, this guy doesn't belong in the league.

Or those guys don't.

One or the other.

Because they're playing a different brand of football.

Well, and for anybody who would say, no, he's been like this for a few years.

He hasn't because he made turnover.

He had a shitload of turnovers last year.

He doesn't turn the ball over anymore.

His decision-making is just way better this year.

I don't know.

Haley Steinfeld.

I think it's going to be good.

He's got it all.

Next game was Philly-Pittsburgh.

I stayed at the

craps table one hand too long.

Or one shoot too long with Pittsburgh.

They were great to me this year.

Pickens not playing. I like the under.
The case for them was low-scoring game, rock fight, 16, 14, 20. But what I didn't surprise was Philly moved the ball on them.
They had some long-ass drives. Then Watt gets hurt at the end.
That was a bad loss for Pittsburgh, I thought. Really bad.
And they only had two drives in the second half, if I'm not mistaken. I look it up.
And yeah, I think they just walked into a situation where Philadelphia, you know, first of all, the A.J. Brown thing, the squeaky wheel, A.J.
Brown figured it out. If I'm Jahan Dodson, the third-string wide receiver, I'm complaining all week.
Talk about how he and Jalen Hurts' relationship has changed over the last two months. You'll see your targets will go up.
But yeah, and Barkley didn't even have that great a game, but he left. He was gone for the whole second quarter.
Yeah. I like the Eagles, but I still don't understand.
I based it on Russ and I'm like, this guy's got to have a bad game. He really didn't have that terrible game.
He really didn't. They just never really, I don't know.
I know time possession will indicate this, but the drives were great for Philadelphia. They didn't squander any opportunities.
Did the ball for 40 minutes. Did 26 first downs.
They were 10 for 17 on third down. And the case for Pittsburgh in this game was their defense is going to be able to stand up to Philly and they just didn't.
With that said, the rookie fumbles the punt for Philly. Pittsburgh gets the ball.
All of a sudden they're on like the three yard line. And then this goofy penalty happens where the guy keeps blocking after the whistle.
There's no more devastating penalty than the we're about to score, uh-oh, 15 yards, now we're on the 18. It's a fucking gut punch.
Yeah, you can't get back in. So they squander that, and then Najee fumbles when they're driving again.
They have this great drive going, and he just fumbles a pitch, and it really came down to those two plays. I didn't feel like they were that far away from them, but Philly played better, obviously.
Yeah, they have trouble there too. I think they lost their last nine or the last nine against the spread in Philadelphia.
So I kind of liked everything. I took that, that was a win for me.
I took them adjusted nine and a half Philly, which was outrageous because Tomlin as an underdog is usually good. But I just figured, and so now they're locked in as a three pretty much.
I know we're going to play the

few, although the Ravens is a big

one now. We have the Ravens to win the division.

We're back in it a little bit.

I, in the

back, back, back of my head, I was a little worried

about the games today just because

of how weird this stretch is. We talked about

in the ringer Sunday pregame

where these teams play today, then Saturday, then

Wednesday. There's four teams, right?

And it's just, I

don't, neither of us are going to understand just what the mentality is of to be ready, but no, you also have to be ready two more times over the next week and a half basically. So I don't know.
They didn't seem like Pittsburgh today. No, for sure.
Yeah. Maybe I think you're right with this weird 10 day stretch.
Maybe we do like I do in the NBA where you take both teams minus nine and a half. I don't know what the equivalent would be in football, but it should be.
We should have known this week was going to be weird with the crap-ass Thursday game, San Francisco and the Rams. That was so bad too.
Is there an MVP case for George Pickens? I saw you said that. Maybe.
That should be a separate award, right? What would you call us? He's like the secret MVP. It's like when they don't have George Pickens, they just don't get three explosive plays a game.
Right. I do think, I made a mental note watching the games today, that just for the Super Bowl, you need to be able to run the ball and you need like three explosive plays a game.
And if you can't do that, I think you're like an automatic cross off. Yeah.
You know what I mean? And Pickens was like their only. Yeah.
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Can do it. That's, you know, and obviously Buffalo can too.
Tampa Chargers, which I wisely stayed away from. Tampa drops 40 on the Chargers.
Yeah. Very weird because it seemed like Baker was going to have a reckless type of game.
Right? And then he just righted the ship. I feel like Herbert, you know, he was really only like Thursday where he came off the injured list.
He did not look good at all. Yeah.
He wasn't thrown with force. Mike Evans had a two-touchdown game, which is fantasy playoffs.
Of course, he was going to do that. Right.
And then Cardinals-Pats, that was another West Lake gamer. There might be a mutiny with the Pats fans soon.
The coaching is so bad, it's indescribable. I just can't believe it.
it then the coach comes after the game we have drake may third and one fourth and one like the key sequence of the game and they don't sneak with him either time and on one another time they had him in the shotgun on fourth and one it's like this guy's almost six six right i'm pretty sure we could qb sneak him i know we can't block but maybe take a so they don't they get stuffed that flips the game. And someone asked Mayo about it after, and he's basically like, yeah, I don't know what we were doing.
Like it was literally, he just threw the OC under the bus. Then they asked Drake May about it, who seems to be the only person on the team who's devastated after every loss.
He's just like crestfallen on the sidelines. And they talked to him after and somebody asked him like, why don't they ever sneak you? And he's like, honestly, I don't know.
I'm almost, I'm 6'5". Like, it's a play that's worked my whole career.
I don't know why we don't. Do you think they're afraid of the, well, they're afraid of the result because what were you, like 130% conversion on fourth down with Belichick and Brady? Like, if you're 60.
Brady had got stepped, I think, twice out of 1,200 plays. Jesus.

Right. So maybe that's a thing.

I'm exaggerating, but... No, maybe

not. Look back.

Listen, I have you right where I want you.

I want you to be infatuated

with this Drake May because otherwise

you get sidetracked and

we talk about the NBA cup and pretend that

it's great for 15 minutes every Sunday. He's unbelievable.

I love it. He's unbelievable.

For three quarters,

they just hand off and have him throw bubble screens

So talk about the NBA cup and pretend that it's great for 15 minutes every Sunday. I love it.
He's unbelievable. They, they, for three quarters, they just hand off and have them throw bubble screens and do nothing that he's like really great at.
And then they'll fall behind by 20. And then all of a sudden it's like, Hey, you should throw them down, wing it downfield.
And then he's like, perfect 40 yard pass. And you should roll out.
It's like, Oh, he does that. Like, it's like, you just did that the whole game play whole game.
I don't understand why they don't play with tempo. It's super frustrating.
We have two good players because Gonzalez completely shut down Harrison. Shut him down.
They went to him multiple times, shut him down. I didn't think it was a great win for the Cardinals because it actually felt like the game was a little closer.
I think they're the only team with seven wins, right? Or does Seattle have? I think they're the only ones. Seattle is eight.
Oh yeah, you're right. Arizona is the only seven-win team.
But we should talk about that because Seattle loses and now we have the Rams are in the three spot and Seattle's now out of the playoffs, which we were talking this morning. I have Seattle division, Seattle to make the playoffs, Seattle over, like all that's a mess to them play.
I thought Seattle was going to beat Green Bay and was very bullish on Seattle. And I've liked Green Bay the whole year, but I just thought this was a Seattle week.
And Green Bay finally played the game that I felt like they could play the whole year. And of course, I had the other side.
They were great. They were excellent.
And I just think we have to look at Josh Jacobs for these next few weeks like we look at Barkley and we look at Henry. He's just going to take control of games.
I really do. I don't know what happened.
I don't know what kicked into gear. I mean, he's been good all year.
Tonight he was special. The first two drives today he looked like Terrell Davis.
Yeah. That said, they're plus 180.
I mean, the Rams didn't impress me at all Thursday night. I know it was in the rain and everything, but I feel like 49ers dropped seven balls on offense and defense.
One of them catch. It's a different story.
Guys quitting on the sidelines, they're in the game. Yeah.
They had all kinds of stuff happening. Plus 180, though, for Seattle.
I know you're down on them right now and you have enough on it, but I could see them making their way back. Well, Geno got hurt.
What happened to Geno? Right, that's true. We have to see.
I know it was a knee injury. So, yeah.
Mr. Howell's not taking him anywhere.
I got to say, I was really disappointed in Seattle. They kind of wrote me in thinking their defense was good.
And then Jacobs really big boy to my thought.

And they gave up some big plays.

They had a couple of bad pass interferences.

They just played like shit.

It's a Sunday night game at home.

You're underdogs.

You need the game because the Rams miraculously beat Buffalo and beat the Niners in a five-day span,

which the odds of that were probably 7-1.

So then they have the Rams sitting there at 8-6,

and they can't believe it probably.

They're like, A, how are we 8-6?

B, how are we leading a division?

Yeah, that game was disgusting.

Cooper Cup with a massive middle finger to fantasy owners.

I mean, no catches. Like an Andre the Giant-sized middle finger.

And they still won that game. Yeah, so the Rams, they lost to Miami by eight.
They barely beat the Pats. And they lost to Philly by 23.
They lost to Philly 37-14 in Week 12. And at that point, they were five and six with Buffalo and San Francisco looming and Seattle on week 18, Arizona week 17.
They beat New Orleans, which was a little closer than it was 21, 14. It was that game was actually kind of close.
Right. Beat Buffalo, beat San Francisco.
Now they got, they're playing washed Rogers at the jets next week. Yeah.
And have a legitimate chance now for like 11 wins. It's fucking crazy.
Well, they end with the two teams in their division, right? I do think this is the one division that'll come down to week 18. They're home against Seattle on January 5th.
Arizona's not good. And it wasn't just a couple of ways the Pats screwed up today.
Kyler had his terrible kyler pass that he does once a game and he throws he throws it right to it right after we got stuffed on third one and fourth one right kyler throws this jump pass and gets drilled as he's throwing it we intercept they were on like they're 15 and they call uh a roughing the passer right the guy's jumping up in the air to block the pass and then kind of just hits Kyler because he's trying to block it. Yeah.
It was ridiculous. That pass was so bad too.
That was one of the worst of the day. And because he got sandwiched, meanwhile, the guy from behind didn't really get him at all.
There was nothing illegal or nothing even close. But from the front, it looked worse than it was.

Some of these roughing the passers are real.

Like, Justin Fields got one.

It's like, I don't know.

There's been some really bad ones.

They're like, oh, well, they hit him high.

It's like, yeah, because he went low at the very last second.

Otherwise, that's not high.

So the cards are 7-7.

And yet, I know they didn't barely beat the Pats by the7, and yet they barely...

I know they didn't barely beat the Pats by the score,

but I swear the Pats were weirdly in that game.

They lose to Seattle twice in three weeks,

and then we see Seattle just get the tar kicked out of them tonight.

So I'm going to be selling on Arizona.

You're selling Arizona?

You don't like them 7-1 for the division?

No, I don't. So right now our playoff matchups.
AFC. Buffalo home for the Chargers.
It's kind of fun. I don't know in a million years how the Chargers could keep up with Buffalo points.
They could probably play play like the Tampa game today. Yeah.

Pittsburgh home for Denver.

We didn't talk about

that Denver game enough

because Denver was super lucky.

I'm sure,

like Knicks was terrible.

Knicks had three picks,

you know,

and we talked about

all the Colts stuff.

Yep.

But Denver's going to be

probably a six seed

against Pittsburgh.

Or Baltimore, hopefully, but maybe Pittsburgh. Right, a Baltimore can pass them.
And then Houston, Baltimore would be the 4-5, unless Pittsburgh and Baltimore flip. So Pittsburgh, Denver looks incredibly shakies to me.
Oh, no, no, no, no. They always, oh, yeah, you're right.
Because if Baltimore falls in that 4-5, they may not give it.

They're not putting Lamar in the Shakey's game.

He's too good.

And then so what's the Tampa?

Maybe you put Lamar in the Sunday, the early Sunday game.

Yeah.

Yeah, that would be where that goes.

So then the other NFC South gets the Shakey's game

or you really think Pittsburgh in the Shakey's?

So NFC would be right now Philly versus Washington, solid. Rams versus Green Bay, excellent.
And then Tampa, Minnesota, which I think is a good game. Oh, yeah, you're right.
That can't be the Shakeys game. No, I know.
You're right. And then the interesting one is, I think Amazon's getting the Saturday night game, which is usually the best game.

I don't know what that is with those six matchups.

It's probably Rams-Green Bay, I would think, in LA.

They like a cold one, though.

Last year it was the Chiefs, right?

It could be Buffalo.

They might do Buffalo there.

So Chargers at Buffalo, Harbaugh goes to Buffalo? Maybe.

Yeah, that's good enough.

They got enough to talk about there.

Chargers will actually have fans more than they did today. It'd be interesting.
The Rams have Jets on the road, Arizona and Seattle at home. Seattle has Minnesota at home, Chicago and the Rams on the road.
Well, you're right. If Geno Smith's iffy, they don't have a chance.
It is weird. He should be better at home, though.
We went over stats on the pregame show. The 12th man does nothing for him.
I think I hit everything. We didn't talk about Dan Quinn screwing up that Washington game and screwing up everybody's teases.
I guess that was the last thing we didn't hit. Is the referee's name Dan Quinn? I mean, I know it was...
Look, I'm not saying the league got in their ears because everybody had Washington on a teaser and they needed to screw everyone over, but the ref stopped the clock. Sorry, fast-forwarding to 20-13.
Rattler to Foster Moreau, nine seconds left, clearly inbounds and the refs stopped the clock for no reason. It's tacked to like the two.
Yeah. Yeah.
And then they score with three seconds left and then they go for two, which would have killed money line parlays, but it was enough at 20 to 19 to kill the minus seven and a half, which went to one and a half. That was bizarre.
And then they taught, they said they screwed it up after the game and they're like, but we can't review that. We're not allowed to review that.
So they can make the worst error you can imagine that everybody could see and agree to it right then, but they can't change it. So you don't think they could have spiked it in time? Because I actually think they could have spiked it with like a second left.
Maybe. You could tackle like nine seconds left, but yeah, it was incredible that the clock, there's literally no reason for the clock to stop.
But then Quinn they're up seven with the ball and it looks like they're running out the clock. McLaurin drops the touchdown or it's sailed.
I forget whose fault that was. I guess Daniel sailed it on him a little.
And we looked like that was going to be. And now all of a sudden they kick a field goal.
God misses it. Now freaking Spencer Rattler, he's coming back down and all of a sudden, house misses his Washington tees.
Oh, poor house, I know. But listen, for us, we have to be looking forward to, we have to zone in on who's the team we want to root against in the playoffs or bet against in the playoffs.
This Washington team's got all the makings, I think. They haven't played a game that's impressed me in like two months.

Right.

You know?

I mean, and you think like they had a couple wins there

that they shouldn't have won.

They could probably be three wins lighter, right?

What's their record now?

They're nine and five.

They could easily be six and eight.

The Hail Mary game.

That Bears thing was ridiculous.

Yeah, and then this game.

Let's do Guest Alliance.

Yeah, we didn't...

Yeah, I guess we didn't talk Mahomes getting hurt,

but that's about it.

Oh, let's do that quick.

He's definitely not playing this Saturday, right?

No question.

I just feel like the holiday season

hasn't officially started

until Mahomes has some sort of injury.

And then we just have to... Yeah, it's just he's got to start limping around.
That's how he gets ready for the playoffs. It's like how a bear needs to sleep during the winter.
Same thing. He needs some sort of limp and then he's fine.
Yeah, but that said, not playing Saturday and for sure playing. Oh, because they need him on Christmas.
He has to play Christmas. Netflix spent way too much money on that game, right? You don't think Netflix throws him in a plane and gets him to Germany for all kinds of stuff to pump into his ankles? He's playing that game.
That's what I'm saying, but not this week. And that's why, yeah, I mean, Netflix offered Jackson Mahomes a stand-up special.
They offered, They'll do whatever they can to get him there. The wife could be in Squid Game 3, whatever they want.
He's playing in that game, no question. Well, I agree with you because I guessed my Texans game, assuming he wasn't going to play.
Yeah. Because I think if it's a choice, you want to just wait.
You can't play him in both if he's got a bad wheel. Well, because they're two up on Buffalo, right? One and a half, technically, because they lose the tiebreaker.
So be it if they lose the one game. But then there'll be two left.
There'll be a half game up. Also, if I'm them, I'm fine.
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We have to play the Chargers who can barely get to 20 points. Guess the lines.
We have games Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and then Wednesday. This is an official don't-get-divorce stretch.
It's tough, man. Especially with the holidays.
Yeah, they're really, really trying to

fuck with our marriages now. They don't make it easy.

Yep. And speaking of fucking,

you're fucking

tied with me right now. It's 7-7.

I know. I know.

7-7-1, week 16.

You haven't beaten me since

1932. Stop it.

Before then. I was off

on a few, but we'll see. Let's see.
I hit this one exactly, though. I know you're going to think that's bullshit, but I did hit the Thursday night one.
Guess the line's Thursday night. Chargers home for the Denver Broncos.
And I made the line Chargers by three. Yep.
All right. We split that one.
It is three.

And that's what it was today. Does that make sense?

Let's think about this. It was three against Tampa.
Denver is equal to

Tampa, even though the Chargers

got slaughtered. I think Tampa's a little better than

Denver.

Tampa's better,

but Chargers keep the

three because Tampa's better.

Alright, yeah. That's fine.

A lot of Broncos fans.

You know, speaking of Tampa, that NFC South bet,

which is one of the only futures I really truly care about

because we made such a big deal about it.

Yeah.

NFC under 30 wins.

Where are you?

Well, I'll tell you that Tampa win, I didn't love it.

But we are right now at 22 wins with three weeks left.

And teams play each other, so I feel like I've clinched it.

NFC East is at 29 wins.

They're seven wins higher.

This was one of our big bets before the year.

We made Fandle create this prop.

NFC East, more wins than the NFC South. And it was minus 175.
And now we're going to bankrupt Fandle as a result. And you could thank my Cowboys for beating the Panthers.
You could thank. That's one step closer.
That was big. That really helped us.
Because it was a big day. Yep.
Two Saturday games. Yep.
Chiefs-Texans in KC and neither of us think Mahomes is playing

and I'm going to make Houston the favorite.

I'm going to say Houston by one and a half.

All right, I said two.

It is two and a half.

Edge out there.

You'll get this next one.

Texans two.

I wonder how many times the Chiefs have been home dogs

when it wasn't week 18.

Yeah. He can't play no way Andy Reid move one one win closer to Belichick by the way where is he now he He is at, hold on, let me get it.
He is 271.

He's 271.

He's 31 away.

And he's five playoff wins behind him too.

Somehow the NFL will give him the record this year.

But yeah, you've done enough.

It's fine.

Please catch Belichick.

Please catch Belichick.

We've decided to tamper with your salary cap space.

So you have more money to spend. Okay.
The other Saturday game, Ravens-Steelers, which I think I would have had Ravens by two and a half as recently as like three weeks ago, but I got to say Ravens by four. Oh, man, you got me.
I thought you were going to go lower now. I said three and a half.
It's six and a half. So, I think...
Holy mackerel. I think we could hedge a little.
With our Ravens? Oh, with our Ravens? Yeah. I mean, we could cover this.
We won't win both, but we could take six and a half, right? And they can win an 18-16 game like they played in November. Well, tell the audience, what was our bet? It was division champs, Chiefs, Ravens, Bills? Chiefs, Ravens, Bills, Texans.
Yeah, we did the whole AFC. Did we did it before the season or like week one? No, we saw like a month of action.
They were like, this is stupid. We got it.
It literally was stupid because we're losing. Yeah, it is.

It's always stupid.

Yeah, I think the Steelers are going to be

even if they have pick-ins,

it's not going to be 100% pick-ins.

But

that's a lot of points to lay

in a second time they've played

AFC North Ravens-Steelers game.

It is a lot. I wonder what

they're just

predicting they're going to melt down at this point?

Like, they... Alright.

Tomlin has them over 500 like

he always does, and now we see them slip to the

6 seed or whatever?

I don't know. I was texting with

the fantasy guys, because Craig's a big

Steelers fan during that game. It was like

Steelers bingo. It was hitting all the check

marks of dumb penalty to pull them out of a touchdown. TJ Watts hurt.
It hit like nine of the check marks. Yeah.
The stupid fumble. Sunday marquee game.
I think it's Eagles-Washington, right? Isn't that our best Sunday game? We need to go Vikings-Seahawks.

You would have said mini Seattle probably before tonight.

Yeah, I think it's Eagles-Washington.

Yeah, I think you're right.

Eagles going for 11 in a row.

Second time they played.

Their games are always weird.

And it's in Washington.

So I'm going to say Eagles by three and a half.

Oh, man.

Really?

I said five.

And you got it exactly. It's three and a half.
Oh, man. Really? I said five, and you got it exactly.
It's three and a half. Hmm.
Why not five? Because these two teams play weird games. I think that's the only reason.
26-18, the last game I was in Philly. Yeah, I guess.
I'm down on Washington. I don't know why.
I think you should be. I think they're a little smoke and first six weeks.
Daniels hasn't been Daniels has not been the same since he got hurt whenever that whatever week that was. He was like lasers to everybody the first five weeks.
Sure. They never punted.
Yeah. And they were a two-point conversion away from a terrible team from losing today.
So I only have two watchable games. And part of it is because we have two Saturday games that pulled two good ones out.
But there's only two good games on and these aren't even that good. One of them is Vikings at Seattle.
Which that's it for Seattle I think if they lose. And the Vikings are definitely going to be favored.
I have the Vikings by three.

I got this exactly.

Three and a half.

And, I mean, it's going to be more if there's no Geno Smith.

But it seems like he's playing.

Sam Howell against the Vikings defense would not make me feel good.

No.

So then the other one I have for a watchable,

you're going to laugh,

but Jags Raiders in Vegas.

Really?

All kinds of draft pick ramifications in this.

Not that, I mean, does anyone even care past Sanders?

No.

People aren't going to care where Hunter gets drafted.

Sure.

Will people care where the Boise State running back gets drafted?

Do you think? No, I don't think so. I think he'll just become a great running back.
Whatever. He'll go where he goes.
Who was the last great one? Bijan? The last one that went, did he go 10? Bijan was pretty high. Yeah, he was top 10.
Yeah. All right.
Jags at Raiders. This is probably the Raiders' last chance.
This is a huge game for the Patriots.

Because the Patriots aren't going to win again.

If the Jags...

We need Mac Jones to somehow pull off a win.

But I have the Jaguars favored by two in Vegas.

So that's what I had.

I swear I did.

And it's Vegas by one and a half.

Okay.

Where do they get that from?

I do not know who their quarterback is.

Is it the Riddler?

Thank you. And it's Vegas by one and a half.
Okay. Where do they get that from? I do not know who their quarterback is.

Is it the Riddler?

I guess.

As of tomorrow, I guess it will be.

The Riddler.

So Atlanta's favored by five and a half over Vegas.

But Jaguars, they suck too.

I don't know.

I can't make a case.

I might bet this game.

Fairly watchables. Bills Patriots, I think has to be 14.
So I'm going to say 14. Yeah, I went 16 and a half.
It's 14 and a half. You get that.
Five to four, you're up. One thing with the Pats, they have cheap touchdown potential at the end because that's the only time they kind of let May do his thing.
They had another interception that wasn't his fault today. I don't know if you saw Bute.
Yeah. When he throws it to him, he did the receiver thing where he just flings it up in the air for the safety.
That needs a name. That needs to be named after somebody.
There had to be some receiver who did that better than anyone ever. Somebody's keeping track of these stats.

There's got to be somebody that has a let's go to our next gen stats and see who

fucks up Morgan Pass.

That guy fucked up and cost you an interception.

Interception.

Lions Bears in Chicago.

With this Lions

defense, I think putting high lines

on them at this point is pretty risky.

I'm going to say Lions favored by six and a half in Detroit. I mean, in Chicago.
Oh, you get this. I said eight.
It's seven. You're right.
I do get it. You get it.
You get it, man. Do you not have San Francisco Miami? Isn't that weird that that's, at best, a fairly watchable?

That game will be awful.

No, I know, but it's...

Their fans don't want to watch that game.

But if I would have told you two was the starter for Miami

and Purdy's the starter for San Francisco.

I know, it's a brutal watch.

You just took two at number one in the bad kick.

I know, I know.

A month ago, if you would have said this, but they suck.

Well, here's another home dog for us, the Jets,

because they're going to be playing the Rams in Giants Stadium.

Yeah.

The Jets have been moving the ball a little more last couple games.

Now, granted, it's because of their opposition,

but they're a little... I think Rodgers with Enigma coming out soon, I think he just looks freer and happier.
I'm going to say the Rams by three and a half at the Jets, and this has all the makings of an everybody loses on the Rams bet. I see JJ picking them right now on the Sunday pregame show.
Although I shouldn't talk shit because I got killed today. West going east.
McVay, yeah, they let down maybe a little bit. They need the game, bro.
They have extra rest. We'll see McVay extra rest, the stats and everything.
You get it. It's three.
don't blow this don't blow this Rams come on this has all the makings the Rams the next couple games who do they have after this they have this is all West right NFC West for them after this yeah they're. Say, all right, we'll take care of the Jets.

And then we got Arizona-Seattle.

And then all of a sudden, they're down 10-0.

Garrett Wilson had a 90-yard touchdown.

And Puka's going in the blue tent.

Hopefully he doesn't.

I'm not going to win for that.

49ers-Dolphins in Miami.

I stared at this one for three minutes.

You want another three?

49ers by one was where I landed in Miami.

Oh, wow.

All right.

I get this.

I said Miami by three.

It's Miami by two and a half.

Oh, wow.

See, that's why I knew I was off in some direction.

Man, so mad at Tua.

So mad. I just want to point out the Dolphins aren't good.
Maybe shouldn't be favored by two and a half over any decent team. It's interesting because they showed the DJ's record against teams that are above 500.
But I feel like Shanahan's getting there too. He's getting there too lately.
Remember, we used to do that as a bit. We did.
What his career winning percentage was. I might have to bring that back.
Not a bit anymore. Real shit.
I was asking Lombardi because he came up with DJ Mikey Mack for McDonald's, like Shane Steichen. He reminded me, we already

came up with Thailand Shane for Shane

Steichen. He's playing

Madden on Twitch against somebody

in Thailand. He's like, I'm going to call

a double pass reverse.

Oh no, I got picked off.

Reset.

Poop back to four games.

There's some really bad games this week.

I know. This was the week.
That's why today was the day to celebrate. And it's great.
But yeah, those Saturday games, screw it. Cause remember we've already done Raiders Jags, which is a poop fact of, but I put it in the vegetables, right.
Falcons home for the giants. I have Falcons by nine.
What do you have? They're good. I said eight.
It's 10 and a half. This is going to be your week.
Eight to five, you're up. I'm going to try not to watch any of that game.
Can we see the Falcons a little first before we make them a 10 and a half point favorite? Can we see them Monday night? Sunday might be a let's not even do a pod. Is that right? I don't know.
Do we even need to do it? Look at these games. They're terrible.
Well, you might, you know, you might.

The Sunday night game is Tampa Bay Dallas.

Colts, Titans.

Another one I don't really want to watch any minutes of.

It's in Indianapolis, and I had the Colts favored by five and a half.

That's what I had.

It's four and a half.

Vegas zone right there.

Good luck to both of those teams.

Yeah, that's a lot. There's some bad ones here.
Cardinals at the Panthers. It's another one.
Just be careful with this one, my friends. I have Cardinals by three and a half.
That's what I had too. It's four and a half.
Vegas zone. Man, they're throwing.
These stay-aways. Two Vegas zones in a row.

By the way, Cleveland-Cincinnati is fairly watchable.

Jameis is fairly watchable the rest of the way.

Yeah, I'll move that up.

I'll move that up to the fairly watchable.

That was good.

The Browns are really bad, though.

Poor Nick Chubb broke his foot today.

Yeah, that was bad.

I felt like he broke his wrist the way he was fumbling that game away. But yeah, this was 21-14 when they played in October.
I had Bengals by six at home over the Browns. I get this.
I said seven and a half. It's seven.
That's your teaser game. You love it.
You love the Bengals. I don't put bad teams in teases.
Sunday night. Also stinks.

Bucks at Dallas.

Yeah.

Yikes.

I won't be depressed, Simmons, after this game.

Thank God.

Thank God they didn't beat the Bengals last week.

Because now I would have been looking at 7-7.

Could they catch Washington?

Yeah, you would have had all the scenarios.

Yeah, you would have been making yourself crazy.

So good.

McCarthy won his job back, though.

Is that the Belichick shadow hanging over him now? Well, that's going to happen. Yeah.
Dumb. Sunday night, Tampa at Dallas.
I have Tampa by four and a half. I get this.
Wait, do I have a chancer? I'm sure you do because you cheat. No, I don't.
Well, first of all, I was way off on the Monday, but I had three. It's three and a half.

Two left.

One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten.

You're up ten, nine.

There's one game left.

I was off by four points.

So you're going to get it.

One, two, three, four, five, six.

So we have seven home underdogs next week.

Is that right?

Yeah. Yeah.

Always, always a red flag.

We're going to get hurt.

I might scale it back.

Didn't have a great week this week after an unbelievable run.

Monday night,

Packers,

Saints.

You have a four point cushion.

Best,

best of luck to you.

Thank you.

I have Packers by 11.5

I said 8.5

Because I'm an idiot

It's 12.5

I guess I should have just said that

Because it's never 11.5

Right

You'll have a 13 point teaser

With Pittsburgh plus 19.5

Atlanta over the Giants

You'll figure something out

I can't believe the Seahawks let me down like that

Thank you. point teaser with Pittsburgh plus 19 and a half.
Atlanta over the Giants. You'll figure something out.
I can't believe the Seahawks

let me down like that.

It just got way out of

Seahawks by 15 and a half.

Plus 15 and a half. Come on.

Couldn't have hit that.

Let's do parent corner.

What do you got? All right. What do I have?

Well, a couple things.

My oldest is home.

Came back from Oregon like Thursday night.

Right.

So first night home.

He's not going out with his friends.

I'm like, oh, that's cool.

We'll stay home.

We'll watch.

We want to watch Goodfellas for the 907th time.

He's like, no, let's watch some NBA.

I was like, oh, Jesus.

So he's an NBA hole.

Listen, he is on the site that this is what he claims. He claims it gives you play money that you can turn into real money, but you can't lose real money.
So he's gambling. I'm like, all right, I'm not going to investigate further.
I know what you're doing. I invented this shit.
It's fine. He's got six NBA parlays going.
He's live betting all these games. He's like, no, wait till this team.
No, if Dallas goes down nine, I'm going to hit him now. I'm like, it's like my son is like Raheem Palmer.
He came home from college. I got to let him in.
He's got a burner room? He's got a burner room. And then like in the NBA, you'll go, there'll be a 19 to two run and you'll be either on the good or the bad side of it.
It's amazing. So that was that.
That scared me a lot. Steve has been so proud.
Yeah, I was proud and I was terrified at the same time. So that's it.
It's amazing. So that was that.
That scared me a little bit. Yeah, I was proud and I was terrified at the same time.
So that's it. Quickly, my middle son.
Next Saturday is a great sports day. Now I thought today it was going to be a great sports day too, but here's what you got Simmons.
I know you don't care college. Tennessee, Ohio State.
I do. The football games are going to be tremendous.
Tennessee, Ohio State, Penn State, SMU, Texas, Clemson, we talked about Chiefs Texans, Steelers Ravens Usyk versus Fury it's a monster day my guy Usyk I want to just veg out in front of the TV, I want to lose a ton of money I want to drink non-alcoholic eggnog whatever I have to do. The problem is my son Jack has a wrestling

tournament and he could potentially do well in it because it's a JV tournament and it's all day

and it's all the fights way the fuck somewhere else. And here's the thing.
There's 40 kids on

the team. Only 13 of them right now don't have ringworm or Empatago.
Empatago is like a staff infection. You get it from the mat.
These schools say they clean the mat. They don't clean the mat.
These kids come back sweaty. They don't shower and they have everybody's dirty sweat closes up in their place.
It's a disgusting sport you can play. It is gross.
He's going to wrestling practice. He weighs 126.
There's so few kids now. He's rolling with like a 155 pounder.

I'm like, what's going on here?

It's like, so I was like, listen, I told, I said, I don't ask for much, but I need Saturday.

Oh, please, please do what you can to get Empatago.

Please don't tell your mother.

Can you lick the mat?

Yes.

Go all the roll, stay extra, stay afterwards, whatever you have to do.

He's looking at me like, I'm like, I'm serious. Get ringworm, do what you can.
So I will keep you posted, but I need this boy to get ringworm so I can watch Penn State SMU. Here's 200 hours.
I want you to lick the mat after practice for three minutes. After everyone else licks the mat, give them each 50.
What a sports day that is. Usyk.

I'm telling you now, I'm putting him in seven parlays with NFL teams.

Every team I like, I'm just putting Usyk in.

Yeah. I just wish we knew how these guys

train. Him and Pereira

are the two most reliable

combat guys on the planet.

I'm just going to keep doing it until one of them loses.

Yeah. Maybe Fury has a

undercard too. There's a couple good.

Is there on this?

I thought there was at least one good fight before it. My guy Bacoli is not fighting until January though.
Yeah. What happened there? He's not even on that great card.
I know. Yeah.
I know. Anyway.
So my daughter's come back from college actually late tonight. And my wife was ordering all this food to pick up because we need, my son's a weird eater.
My daughter's the weirdest eater ever. She wanted to get food and she's like, you know, the maggot's coming home.
and we realized that we have nicknames for everyone in my family that happen organically based on eating habits.

So we call Zoe the maggot because she's that one that's like with the slice of pizza. You just look down and there's just like the cheese is gone.
Or like there's a piece of sourdough toast and just all the stuff around the crust is just gone. You're like, oh, the maggot must've gotten it.
My wife has always been the rat because it'll be like slice of pizza or a bagel on the counter. And just like a very small, almost imperceptible part of it is missing.
And you're like, I thought that was like a bigger pizza slice. And she's just carefully cut like one eighth of it off.
So we always call her the rat. Like she rats it up.
It's good. And then my son is the raccoon because he like never eats.
And then he goes downstairs. Everyone's asleep at like 1130 and just starts, you know, all of a sudden all this food's gone.
You're like, oh, my God, the fucking raccoon got in the kitchen again. So then I was like, so what's my nickname then? She's like, you're just like a bear.
You just eat a lot and then you sleep. And I was like, I feel like that's insulting.
I'm just the bear. Yeah, hell yeah.
And I'm not, it's not like I'm like a, but I guess that's how it, cause I have like big, you know, I don't eat a lot and then I'll have a big dinner. So she said I'm the bear.
You're the bear? I guess I'm the bear. Tell her you want a second opinion.
I feel like, can it be like a panda? Yeah, you have to be a specific bear or something. What's an animal that just kind of basically that snacks during the day once or twice and then has like a big dinner? That's whatever animal I am.
I don't know who that is. And is the clogger taken? You can't tell you're clogged.
So our fridge is like, you know, my daughter comes home and there's like four different coffee made creamers because she likes to make these homemade lattes that she drinks two sips of. So all of a sudden the fridge has like this thing.
My son has all the weird food he eats and it's just like a free-for-all. So anyway, it's good to be back.
The Simmons family is back. Everyone's home.
Six refrigerators for different animals. Stuff's crammed in.
There's coffee made on top of like, you know, my son's kelp noodles. I don't know.
That's good. What's going on here, so.
We're going to get Empatago drinking all those coffee mates, that's for sure. Did you see? It's very possible.
Did you see Evil Jason Batemaneman in Carry On yet? No, I haven't seen it. We're on a text chain when you were discussing it.
He's so evil. Every once in a while he goes evil.
He should get off the poster? Well, he was evil in Ozark, right? I said he wasn't on the poster. I didn't know he was in the movie.
Oh, right, right. I started watching it.
It was like, there's Jason Bate. But it's like, you told me Jason Bate was in this.
That feels like it's a big deal. It's definitely him, huh? I like it.
Maybe he didn't want to know. I'm going to have to check it out.
I got a bunch in my queue. I end up watching dumb shit like the New York Stack Exchange, the Mark Gastineau.
I listened to him carry on for an hour and a half. But anyway.
Did you watch that documentary? Because I didn't watch it. Yeah, I'm like 40 minutes in.
I just can't get enough of that nonsense. Yeah, I know.
Can't say when I was there for 30 for 30 that the Jet Sack exchange was on any of the master lists for ideas. Just leave it at that.
All right, so what do you got to plug? Anything? Oh, yeah. Through the Ringer with Tate on Wednesday.
By the way, the kid's breaking news left and right on that show. On December 4th, he can only say so much.
He was instrumental in getting this thing going with Lombardi. I thought he was going to be there.
It's like the athletic director. I think they offer you.
You should be careful. I think they offer him some kind of

ambassadorship or something to help with the

culture or something. It's good for him

though. This is good.
This worked out great

for you, right? Because he retires a Patriot.

He's not going to go three years with

UNC and then end up

with Seattle, right? So that's it.

He's a Patriot. It worked out great.
It's way better than

that because with him and Lombardi as a combo

and I don't have a

college football team.

So now like I actually have a college football team I would genuinely care about.

Awesome.

I'll bet on their over.

I'll put bets in so I care even more.

I'm going to be all in.

I'll wear it.

They're going to be good.

I was looking at hats on Fanatics.

I couldn't find the right hat.

I got to find the right hat.

Because it feels like it's got to be like the light blue with just the logo, but I couldn't

find one that I like. It's got to say the bear and then UNC.
We're going to see it. I want an hour and 20 minutes and then mention the ring of pregame show.
I'm 13 and two with my wisest wager. Good job by me.
I had the Ravens. Come on.
Yeah, we've been going for 80 minutes and you didn't bring this up. So you had the Ravens just straight up.
You wanted to put them in a teaser. You're like, will it get to 14? Can I tease? I'm like, just take 16 and a half.
It's fine. It's good.
I get so worried with those games where you cannot come up with a single incentive for the heavily favored team to even care in the game. Oh, I see.
That's when I get worried. Awful bye.
I just like just sitting them in the locker room before the game like, fuck, we got to fucking play the Giants. The Giants want this first pick so bad.
They want it so bad. So that's it.
Cousin Sal's winning weekend on Friday and against all odds twice a week. We're 12-4 with our NBA picks.
Only place you need to go on Ringer if you want to make money betting hoops. There you go.
You know, if the Giants got Sanders, that would be super fun. Yeah.

I think him going to Vegas or the Giants,

I just think is just for us,

for people who want content.

Right.

I think that would be a fun outcome. Just watching that Mara,

just watching Mara and reading about him.

I don't know if he wants to put up with the...

The whole Sanders family?

Yeah, I don't think so.

I think that's a Cam Ward team, to be honest. Do you think...
Where would you play Hunter? Receiver or cornerback? I think it's fun. If the Patriots get him, why do you have to only give him two options? He could do anything.
Make him a running back. Do, you know? Isn't what makes him special that in college he can do both sides, but in the pros, that's completely unrealistic? That's going to be the issue, right? But I don't know.
Dion himself played wide receiver and deep back, so maybe it could happen. It would seem like the move would be to play him a cornerback and then bring him in for third down and eights.
Like special gadget plays. Almost using him like the old Percy Harvin kind of model.
Yeah. I think he's fine.
You should watch it. Did you watch his acceptance speech? I think you'll get on his case.
It's four and a half minutes. Just do it.
It's better than Jason Bateman. Yeah.
It's good. Better than Jason Bateman? Well, I can't compare it.
I didn't say it. Cuz, good job by you.
Great to see you as always thanks to uh kyle creighton thanks to steve cerruti and then we didn't have gahow today but richter john richter john richter got rewatchables coming on uh on monday night we did the gambler ironically with mark walberg oh you son of a bitch that's a good one

and then uh we'll be back next week so good job by you good job by you buddy thanks everybody Yes, we've been on the wayside

On the blue side of the river

I said I don't have to