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Just watched a pretty terrible Chiefs-Giants game.

I think you enjoyed it, though, Cousin Sal.

You like when the Giants look terrible.

I like when they look terrible.

I like when I actually win a leg on a money line parlay.

It's nice.

Oh, congrats.

Yes, unfortunately, it's the first leg for next week because I didn't have anything survive this week.

But yeah,

they're not fun.

They're not fun, the Chiefs.

You know, so it was CBS Throwback Day Today.

I don't know if you saw the pregame show.

They had CBS, they had the guys with hair and outfits like it was in the 70s.

They used the graphics from the 70s.

Brett Musberger was on there.

And then, of course, I had to watch the Patriots who looked like they were from the mid-70s, the team that I fell in love with that went 3-11 and had 50 turnovers in the 1975 season.

We had 50 turnovers in 1975.

28 interceptions and 22 footballs.

We'll get there again.

Don't worry.

Yeah.

But then it came came full circle tonight when our second-round pick, Taekwond Thornton, that we waived, is now the best guy in the Chiefs.

I was like, this is it.

They really did manage to bring back my childhood.

I'm watching old Patriots shine on other teams.

My team is not very good.

The Chiefs, where do you stand after three weeks other than just being bored?

Well, Taquan should know that that's not the brand of ball they play.

You don't catch long passes.

You don't make spectacular catches at the goal line.

How dare he?

It's 16-play drives that end up with a butker field goal or a miss or something.

And then you grind it out.

And yeah,

is it weird to say I feel bad for the Chiefs?

Cause I feel like they're being put in a position they don't want to be in.

They don't, they don't, it's like, oh, do I have to be in prime time?

It's like asking the wife to fool around.

She's like, oh, can I like, all right, fine.

Just like, it's okay.

You don't have to be in prime time anymore.

We just had to have someone go up against the Giants who's not going to score more than 30 points.

So you fit the bill.

Even Collins were it seemed like he was going through the motions.

Yeah.

He tried to get a couple.

Oh, Fat Trick, but he was like,

I'm just ready to.

I'm ready for a fat trick.

I love this Cam Scatabu.

I just giggle every time.

He's so big and white, Bill.

Scataboo had one block where he just took out the defensive end, and that got Collinsworth excited.

Funniest possible Mahomes takes that you could sell right now with a shred of truth.

I'll start.

Clearly, not one of the best three QBs anymore.

Is a take you could have.

You could have it.

I'm not saying I believe in it.

Well, who do you put three?

I mean, everyone puts it.

Alan Lamar and then Herbert's been on fire this year.

Herbert has made a massive leap, right?

Yeah,

I want to see a little more.

I like Herbert this year.

I agree with you.

I'm just saying there has to be a shred of truth.

We'd have to make you go do one of those.

How about this?

He's a better defensive player than he is quarterback.

I mean, he really did that play before the half.

That was a 10-point swing and all him.

It It was that causing the, somehow, he was the only player out of the 11 who knew that was a backward pass, the only one on his team.

And he did it twice.

Yeah, right, right, right.

And then he chased after it and miraculously punched it free and then throws like the 50-yard pass interference, which was pretty great, too.

It was like probably 70 yards, but yeah.

Yeah, it's funny.

This game was close, and it did feel like the Giants were going to get frisky with it and possibly steal it.

And then it felt at the end of the half when they didn't get that turnover.

The guys are running at it in the end zone.

All of a sudden, Mahomes has it again.

Then the Chiefs, all of a sudden, they get a field goal, and you just felt like, okay.

Could you talk yourself into a Mahomes is only awesome as long as he is a generational tight end and wide receiver on his team?

Ooh.

Well, I went through the numbers with you last week, right?

Like four years ago, it was 28 points a game.

And then Tyreek Hill, it might have been a coincidence, but

he just does so much, though.

I hate to put it on him, right?

Because he just does so much, he knows all the angles how to run for first downs.

And he was actually good today, yeah, yeah.

Um, I didn't mind him.

Could they could you talk yourself into he's a little out of shape, like Luka Donchich or Shred?

I don't know.

I'm just trying to come up with something.

Here's where I landed: when you're starting two-wave Patriots, three third-string running backs, and a washed-up Hall of Fame tight end, uh, maybe you're not going to look as good.

I think that's probably so much, probably the right take.

Um, he did, he's a little weird on the long balls, I guess, would be the way to ding him.

But for the most part, if you were going to do the eight teams that can win the Super Bowl, would you have them as one of the eight right now after three weeks?

I'll give you four that I think have to be on there.

Yeah.

Buffalo, Cowboy, Philly,

the Chargers,

and Green Bay, I think, despite today.

Right.

I would put Tampa Bay and the Rams on there personally to get to six.

Okay.

I think that seven spot still probably goes to KC, but there's a KC, San Francisco, Detroit,

maybe

for the 7-8.

Is there anybody else you're excited about?

I put Detroit over them.

You'd put Detroit over KC right now?

Yeah, they're not getting a lot of love at all.

I don't really get it.

But we'll see tomorrow night.

Yeah.

Yeah, I guess we'll see.

Oh, I accidentally left out Baltimore, so they should be

down there.

Yeah, sorry, Baltimore.

No, did you?

Oh, yeah.

Baltimore's.

Baltimore's going to win that division by four games.

They're ridiculous.

So

Buffalo Chargers, Green Bay, Philly, Tampa, Baltimore,

Rams, and then Case, San Francisco, or Detroit for the eighth spot.

Because we always like to have eight, like an eight to work with.

Right.

The only thing is we've seen them be a seven seed and

run the table.

Yeah.

Are they much worse than that team?

I would rather bet on them right now than Detroit or San Francisco.

Mostly because San Francisco seems seems to have a massive injury every week.

Oh, yeah.

And they just seem snake bit for whatever reason.

Detroit, we'll see tomorrow night.

But yeah, I'm not ready to quit on KC, but I think if they had lost today, that would have been it.

We have six 3-0 teams, Buffalo, Indy, the Chargers, Philly, Tampa, and San Francisco.

But we have nine 2-1 teams.

Six of them are in the NFC.

Are we at the NFC?

Is definitely better than the AFC point of this journey?

Because I feel like it is.

Yeah, I think so.

I mean that north is very solid just compare the norths right the east both east divisions have their issues right kind of kind of a team running away with they have one yeah one good one and then some yeah the north i think the afc north despite the steelers win today i think it's lacking i really do i mean i said the ravens are going to win that by four games i i i believe that whereas if you were to name playoff teams in the nfc north i'd kick the bears out of there probably now but yeah any of those other three are solid and then

the NFC West, they have nine wins in the NFC West through three weeks already.

Yeah.

Then the AFC West is pretty good, too.

NFC.

So, yep.

Yeah, so we have

six 0-3 teams.

The Jets, Miami, Houston, Tennessee, the Giants, and the Saints.

The Jets and Giants are 0-6, though.

I feel like we've done this segment before, but let's do it again.

Go ahead.

What was the worst combined record they ever had in the 16-game season?

Jets and Giants.

Jets and Giants?

How How many wins?

If you had to guess,

FanDuel number, if I gave you over, under

seven and a half, would you go over or under?

16-game schedule, right?

Combined wins.

Four and I'll say nine.

So,

no.

There was a bunch of eights.

Okay.

And in 1996, they went seven and 25 combined.

Trying to figure out who the coaches were there.

Is that a co-type?

Might have been a ko-tight.

yeah it could have been uh handle carol was gone I was after the Coslett

possible Coslett just guess Coslet or Ko-Tite one of those guys and then I don't know who for the Giants um yeah so the Jets Giants 0-6

I know they're gonna switch to dart that might give the Giants some life I don't feel like the Giants are are awful

and the Jets could easily be two and one so maybe they can be I mean they just have to pull the giant they did a good job pulling them off prime time for the most part they're not not in the Thanksgiving game with Dallas.

They're not in the Sunday night game against Dallas, although that was actually entertaining when they played Dallas.

And Russell Wilson going into today was like had the most passing yards, right?

And like most long, long passing.

Yeah.

Your team just revived Caleb Williams' career today.

Jesus Christ.

He's back.

I saw him is getting ready to go to the CFL.

Now he's number one pick again.

Some tweet said Iber Flues finally developed Caleb Williams.

He finally is able to develop.

The worst revenge game of all time.

Good God.

We'll show you.

No.

Russ looked like John Mara pulled him aside at the end and said, I'll give you a million dollars if you could hit the crossbar with a pass three straight times.

Ready?

Ready?

Do it.

It was in the same spot all three times.

I don't think anything drives me crazier than the fourth down, throw it out of bounds pass.

Yeah.

What's worse?

Just, you could just.

Throw it straight up in the air and have it drop down like, you know, a satellite from outer space, and you have a better chance than just whipping it out of bounds.

The only pass interference called every two and a half plays.

Yeah.

Take a shot.

I don't get it.

So

I'm guessing you didn't do well gambling west today because I had a horrible day.

And I'm officially worried about 2025 for me now.

I had a bad, we did our overspot.

I was telling you, I didn't feel great about this season.

It's not going great.

I did not have a good day today.

There's, I did not either.

I mean, we're going to talk at length, I think, about that Rams Eagles game.

But when you have, first of all, those early games were just monsters, just really, really bad.

Right.

And then you like, and I think it's because you have both South.

I know we pick on the South divisions a lot, but you have teams that just don't seem like they want to win, like Jacksonville and the Texans and the Titans and the Falcons, right?

So bad.

And then the heart attack endings in three of these others, like block kicks, return for touchdowns, and just 1 p.m.

Pacific time lunacy.

But

yeah, yeah, I was on the wrong side of all of those endings.

My biggest one I got the most wrong was the Falcons in Carolina,

which

it was really more a bet against Carolina.

I thought Carolina was the worst team I saw in the first two weeks.

And they had that deceiving comeback against the Cardinals, but they're really bad.

And they came out.

They took the lead.

They looked very polished.

Penix was an abomination.

Like, he just couldn't have been worse to the point you're like, are they going to bring in Kirk Cousins at halftime?

They got shut out by Carolina and Carolina.

And

that's another division where it's like

who's Tampa can just have a guy go down, or Mike Evans went down for them today.

I still don't

know if anyone challenges them.

If Atlanta's going to lose 30 to nothing on the road in Carolina, I'm not taking them seriously after that.

Tampa's winning some stupid games too, but I do think they're when they get everyone back, they're better.

Yeah, that was the biggest Panthers win in a decade, and they had 224 total yards.

I mean, just getting rid of, I was thinking, like, are there too many?

I asked, like, Chat GBT, like, I said, favorites, four or more points that get shut out.

Favorites by four or more.

And ChatGBT, it basically told me to fuck off.

I guess it was busy, but there can't be too many favorites, like mid-range favorites that get shut out.

That was, I, you know, look, we knew there was going to be some weirdness.

The higher favorites did great the first two weeks, right?

We were texting about it all week.

Okay, keep your guard up.

Green Bay, that line just stayed specifically at seven and a half, seven all week.

The money line was high, but the line was just never as high as it seemed like it should have been.

And then that game had all the makings the whole day.

Green Bay could never pull away.

Love had the really, really bad fourth quarter interception.

All of a sudden, Judkins out of nowhere wasn't even on the team.

Like a day when we did our knockout draft,

I don't even think he had signed with the Browns in.

I'm not sure anyone even took him or maybe somebody took him.

No, nobody had him.

You jinxed him.

You said you had the better Ohio State running back.

Apparently, that debate has been opened again.

But

you just kind of knew how it was going to play out, but it made no sense as you were watching it.

It's like, somehow, the Browns are going to win this.

I have no idea.

But then this kicker who we made fun of after week one, Schmidt, whatever, Sismit, whatever his name is, and he's got a 55-yard.

It's like, of course, he's going to make this.

So now Green Bay has a little shine off their Super Bowl.

Yeah.

Super Bowl bliss.

Until they beat the Cowboys by 78.

I'm like, wow, we haven't seen that.

That's weird.

But yeah, they thought they could sleepwalk through this game.

And for the most part, they were right.

At one point, I saw four offensive linemen were wearing sandals.

Is that weird?

Like, they don't care.

It was a sandals game.

But you can't even say they were looking ahead to next week because they're playing your terrible team next week.

That's right.

Yeah.

Something like it's like, oh, we're getting ready for the Cowboys.

Everyone's wearing sandals.

But the Browns were hilarious.

They had the ball on the two and kept moving backwards.

And there was no urgency with four minutes left.

And then, I don't know, third and three with 318.

He love throws an interception.

It didn't make any sense.

We talked about the Browns both weeks looking a little better than maybe if people didn't watch the game, they would have thought.

I thought week one, they should have won.

And just in general, they seem like relatively confident.

And then today, they hung with the Packers that whole game.

And their defense is

top seven defense, top five defense.

You know, they're really taking the Packers.

One thing with the Packers,

they're missing a bunch of receivers, and it doesn't,

you know, I think they never really had a number one, but they had a bunch of number twos.

Right.

And now it's basically just Golden and

Dobbs and Wicks.

And then Kraft was playing hurt.

They just didn't have that same kind of explosiveness.

But the Browns, it's not, that's not going to be an easy place to win this year.

They at least have an identity and know who they are.

I wonder if Shadora will see him this year, though.

If you're going to average 10 points a game, like at some point, got to think about it.

Yeah, I guess

one of those guys.

Flacco would throw 90 passes in two weeks, right?

So, this game was a little different, but um, yeah, and any team in the league, you only score 10 points.

You're gonna, you're gonna give them a chance to.

I mean, I thought that leverage call was coming for sure on that field goal.

I thought I was like, here it comes, no way.

Green Bay had 14 penalties,

um,

230 yards total.

And I think we can safely say the uh, the bandwagon got a little overcrowded yeah

a little too many uh

too many people on there who do you have as the favorite right now do they want to give um they want to give uh they can give micah back if they want i mean that's just just flip the trade back just damage goods favorite to win the whole thing yeah if you had to if you had to make one super bowl bet right now what would it be you know even you can you can even say for odds versus who you think is going to actually win because the favorites right now are baltimore and buffalo and fandua five to one.

Right.

Is that going to change?

I don't think that's going to change unless there's an NFC team that just really, really comes out in front.

Packers had a shot to do that, but I think it's going to be Buffalo, Baltimore.

And when we get to the lines, you'll see how much these teams are respected.

But yeah, Buffalo didn't look great Thursday night, but I still think they're missing a bunch of dudes.

Yeah, I put them at the top.

Well, you figured they're probably going to be a one seed, especially that division.

Right.

The Pats, my stupid team, the Jets, the Dolphin.

They could go just 6-0.

If you go 6-0 in a division, at that point, you just need to go

7-4 against everybody else.

Something like that.

I think that was one of my future bets with you, that they went 6-0, something like that, that they ran the table.

Yeah, I remember taking it personally because I believe in the Pats, and that's not how it worked out.

It's not.

Let's take a break, and then I want to talk about the Super Bowl team that I think we should have a real conversation.

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All right, before we went to break, I said I wanted to talk about the possible Super Bowl team that we need to have a real conversation about.

Who do you think that is?

All right.

So it's one of the top eight you named earlier, right?

Yeah.

Okay.

And it's, I think it's going to be someone who won today.

So I'm going to kick the Rams out of there.

I don't think you're going to say nine.

ninas

all right the chargers fine go ahead yeah let's do it um that's what it is i didn't bet on it today because i have so many denver futures that it wasn't wasn't worth it for me to do it i really wanted to do the denver plus three

now

if you watch the game very close and they're only three games so i watched this entire game and i thought the broncos defense was great Like they, they pressured, they had 29 pressures on Herbert.

They sacked him five times, and he was under duress.

And it felt like a very even game.

And then you look at the stats after.

Denver got outgamed by 111 yards.

The Chargers had 29 first downs.

Denver had nine.

Yeah.

Denver kind of, Denver kind of got dominated, but it didn't feel like that when you're watching it because they were putting pressure on Herbert.

Right.

I thought Herbert, you know, he was fantastic in that first game.

I thought that last drive, that touchdown pass,

especially just fantastic.

MVP-wise, he's down to six to one now.

And I think it's legitimate because he's playing as well as anybody.

They're three and thin in their division.

And I think what I liked about that game, Sal, it felt like a playoff game.

I know Nick's didn't play that well.

Nick's missed a couple bombs that he has now figured out how to hit a guy in stride by six inches too far.

And it hits their, he'll hit like three fingertips, but never get the guy in stride.

And it's like, oh,

he's like the master.

So they had plays franklin dropped one in the end zone like they left stuff on the table and i thought the chargers played you know they lose najee harris against an achilles thing i'm rambling my point is i thought it felt like a playoff game watching it i could see that game in january it didn't feel like a chargers game right like no 2007 to 2024 chargers would have blown that game no question and they almost did they were up 10 nothing and denver came back and it really was looked like the the yards were going to come uh not at a premium it wasn't they weren't really moving the ball.

And like you said, that last drive was really subtle.

That's the defense, the Denver defense we've been afraid of.

That's the Denver defense you bet all those futures on, right?

Yeah.

I'm going to say something else, too.

We may have to get rid of one of our favorite jokes, which is Chargers fans not showing up to watch the games.

Yeah, that was a good crowd.

Sounded loud, right?

I don't think they're pumping noise in.

It's really sounded.

I usually wait till the last next day where I could watch fights in the crowd.

You know, they usually pop up on Twitter and then you scan the crowd, but I think it was pretty good for them.

Herbert,

you know, who we've talked about a lot in this podcast, and I've been saying, how I'm a results guy, it feels like he's gone up a level and he's just hitting these little checkpoints now.

Like that drive, I think, I just feel like a year ago, they lose the game.

That Johnston is wide open five times a game now.

Like this was a guy who felt like he might be a bust two years ago.

And then that Keenan Allen, who they got, felt like pretty late in the the summer.

Feels like you can hear from him twice a game when they really, really need him.

He's going to make a play.

I don't know.

That team has to look.

I wonder what they need.

Like, they have Mac, who's going to be out for a couple of weeks.

Slater's gone for the year.

I wonder, could they get one more offensive lineman maybe during this season?

But beat three.

What are they for the division now?

Because for them to be

for him to win MVP and all that stuff, they have to be a top 13 and four.

Two Two-seed, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Minus 55.

Well, here's the thing about them and the division.

They're 3-0 already in the division.

Right.

They're 3-0, but they're all AFC West games.

So,

you know, watching them, I think Denver's closer to them than the Chiefs are.

But we know,

as we talk about every week, like when we got away from Rice and we're there to come back before we know we have with the Chiefs, but sure.

I've been really impressed.

Do they play Baltimore or Buffalo this year?

I got to look this up.

The Chargers.

Chargers had the second place schedule.

I'm looking that up right now.

They play the Eagles.

They play the Chiefs again.

Play the Broncos again.

That's really it.

I mean, you look at their schedule, the next couple.

They're at the Giants.

They're home commanders.

They're at the Dolphins.

And then they have the Colts in week seven.

Like, they really could be 6-0 heading in that Colts game.

Yeah.

Right.

And if Denver is going to lose dumb games like this, that week 18 game in Denver, which everyone had penciled, you know, circled,

might not mean as much.

Yeah, I mean, this easily, had they lost to Denver, then you're looking at the Chiefs are a game behind, and they still have to play

Chargers, still have to play the Chiefs in KC, right?

Then it's like, oh, man, this is up for grabs.

But what did we say it was?

Minus 155?

Yeah,

I think those are good odds, especially like

some of the games that seemed like they were going to be hard.

Not sure.

At Titans, that's not a hard game anymore um

at cowboys week 16

easy at dolphins

4 and 11 at that point at dolphins that's not a hard game anymore so you know and then that at broncos game maybe they'll get to the point where they won't have to care about it but um this is the easy stretch of their schedule right now at giants home commanders at dolphins and then we'll see with the colts we'll see if the uh if the colts are real but yeah i I thought, you know, and then the other team that I could definitely, we mentioned them earlier, I thought just the Rams,

the Rams definitely can hang.

Now, let's talk about how awful they can hang.

They almost made me hang.

Jesus.

I mean, they're 26.

What was that?

26 to 7?

26-7.

That was it.

Yep.

Did you feel like the Eagles could come back?

Because I did.

Yeah, I was sitting there going, this is actually maybe what they need to like electro shock their system and start doing stuff.

But I thought they'd come back.

I thought the Rams would score again and the Rams.

I was so locked into the narrative that Jalen Hurts sucks.

He can't throw the ball past six yards.

No one's catching it anyway.

He can only run.

He's as good as Barkley goes.

And the Rams were moving the ball too.

No, I didn't.

I mean, you could have gotten a monster live line on that.

Like, that's.

I didn't take it off the multi-view.

No.

Yeah, because there was a lot of time.

It was 26-7, but it was like early in the third quarter.

You know,

it was in Philly.

I wrote down.

That thing is sick.

I feel like everybody, doesn't it seem like online everybody had that bedache, that bad beat?

Yeah.

Well, the Rams were one of the most popular picks this week, right?

Yeah.

Rams plus three and a half.

That's like when like 150,000 people claimed they were at game six, Red Sox Mets, but that I was like, really?

Everybody had this?

I know I did.

I'll show you.

But this is, that ending was, does it get any worse than that?

What do you want to talk about the whole game?

I don't care.

No, let's talk about the ending first.

I wrote down

that was a utter pandemonium sportsbook game.

Like, if you've ever been in Vegas for one of those, when it seems like some, and then it's a shift and the guy's running and people are just like flying around in the sports book going, going crazy.

But we've had, we have these every year.

I think people get amnesia.

Really?

Yeah,

we have at least one of those every every year.

That's just like completely insane.

So, all right, let's set the stage.

The Rams are getting three and a half points.

They're kicking a field goal to win the game.

So, they're ready to go.

They either win the game or they don't get it and they still cover.

Well, they don't get it.

So,

the only thing, the only thing that screws them is a blocked field goal run back.

And then the guy actually being dumb enough to run it all the way back versus just running out of bounds.

But if I said to you, I'm like, all right, Bill, sit down.

Are you seated?

Like, the Rams are going to have this kick blocked.

Who do you want?

Draw me what you want the guy who blocked it to look like.

And you would draw 280-pound guy.

You know, I'm like 280.

I said, okay, how about this?

How about he's 520?

How about he's 520 pounds?

You okay with that?

He'd be like, yeah, sure.

The game's over by then.

This freaking brotherly love butter bean runs it all the way back and kills another ringer 107 pickle line.

Where was the one fast Rams guy?

chasing him down from behind, like the backup safety who's doing the Don Beebe.

Yeah.

Nope, nobody.

There was nobody even in the picture.

I guess he was it was 18 and a half miles an hour, which I wouldn't even know like humans really did that.

God bless them.

I need to get a faster car, I guess.

I don't know.

Well, the Eagles, they had to fall behind by 19 to become entertaining.

That was very entertaining.

Yeah.

That game also fell playoffy.

I thought Nakua was awesome.

Yep.

I mean, and he had the stats too.

He was 11 for 120, something like that.

I think he's moved up a level this year for the conversation because we had that conversation.

He's open

up there.

We had Chase and Jefferson.

Oh, offensive.

And then there was a drop off.

And then it was like Nico Collins and neighbors.

And you can start listening to all these dudes.

I think Nakua has to be up there now.

Did you look?

I can tell you where he is, odds-wise, on Fandel.

For what?

Offensive player of the year.

Oh, what is he?

Isn't that what you're talking about when you say he moves up?

I'm just talking best receiver.

Oh, I see.

Because poor Chase is stuck with the backup now for three months.

Jefferson stuck with Carson Wentz.

Nikul is third at plus 750.

Derrick Henry plus 650.

Jonathan Taylor plus 500 because he just is just racking up insane.

Derrick Henry.

Yeah.

How's he in there?

Well, he had two touchdowns first week, and then last week he took off.

I'm surprised Taylor's odds aren't even lower.

Because he's been the most dynamic.

Really?

Yeah, he's been awesome.

Every game he's done one or two things.

I also think Smith and and Jigba is

25 to win.

That's probably nudge that one up.

Jamar Chase just gone, not giving him a chance.

You're right.

I mean, how could he?

30 to 12.

Jefferson, too.

Same there.

So that's one where I feel like we could see that game again in January.

Eagles Ramps.

Yeah, we could be running that one back.

Sure.

It was great last January, too.

I just, please, don't get me on that result again.

That was terrifying.

I forgot to ask you on Chargers, Broncos, where are you with Bo Nicks right now?

I feel like I've watched every snap of the Broncos this season.

And

it just has not been consistent.

No, definitely not.

I like the original

at all.

So it was Nick's.

I watch Knicks a lot.

Herbert, that was fun watching them go at each other.

He does seem to take charge and he has good control.

Like when he calls his own number and runs the ball, I was like, wow, that's good.

that's that look he looks like a fourth-year quarterback but i also think people gave him too much credit last year like that defense was so dynamite that's what kept him in a lot of these games but yeah he is he is off from last year yeah he's just not as accurate he had a great play in the fourth quarter at a scramble And it was like third and 12, third and 13.

And there were people in front of him.

And it seemed like he was going to either slide or get tackled.

And he made a move and he somehow got right to the line.

And

you saw the whole sideline explode, the Broncos sideline.

You know, I always love that.

Yeah, and it just, it felt like a moment.

It felt like, here we go, Bo Nix is, he's finally shown up for the season.

Somehow, they uh,

no, I think he's taking that, he's taking the CJ Stroud approach, like have a memorable rookie year.

And then everyone's like, what the fuck?

What is going on with this guy?

Yeah,

we, we should talk about CJ.

Let's, I'll skip ahead of that game.

Jaguars 17, Texans 10.

This is one of the only games I got right.

Um, Jaguars' defense,

I continue to think might be pretty good, even though the Bengals scored some points on them.

But they can rush a passer.

They seem to get turnovers.

And then on the flip side, Houston's offense now, 38 points in three games.

Today was a little unlucky because Collins had a really bad fumble with like four minutes left.

It felt like Lawrence threw a terrible pick.

They had a lead.

Bad Lawrence pick.

It was like Jaguars karaoke.

Houston long passed a wide open Collins tied.

Jaguars, they give up the ball back.

Texans coming down.

Then that Collins fumble, and then all of a sudden,

all of a sudden, that was it.

We

came flying back the other way.

Yeah, I mean, when we go over the worst teams in the league, we won't include the Texans, but that offense has been real atrocious, right?

Like, it's, it's

going in, they were last in points scored, and obviously they right there again, right?

And, and like, fourth to last in yardage.

He threw 38 times, which is a lot when most of it is in catch up time, right?

And he couldn't break 185.

so there were lots of drops actually i don't know i don't know why i find myself defending trevor lawrence all the time they they were like five drops

on the lawrence side thomas was bad for three hours and then made the biggest play of the game right yeah so yeah 1710 found sounded right in a game that nobody wanted i don't know what happened to thomas all right

i i wrote in my notes he seems like he's in like some sports movie where it's like the part where they're playing like sad music and where before they come back and become the hero again like when rod tidwell that part jerry maguire when he's just you know he's filming the commercial and jerry's yelling at him and then we just see him get the kicked out of him and it's kind of all heading north by night football he he just seems like he's in a major funk i was reading about all he's on i think most of my fantasy teams and i was reading about it this week and it's like the most polarizing topic with the jaguar fans because

Most of them are like Team Lawrence, and a lot of them are blaming Thomas for like he's dogging routes.

He's not catching stuff, he can only run one type of route.

He can either go deep or just do a deep cross, and that's it.

He can't catch the ball over the middle.

Um, but yeah, they're, they're kind of a mess, and yet, um,

I'd rather be them than Houston.

Yeah, Houston can't block

Houston,

unless that Woody Marks can turn into something a running back, they have no running backs, right?

They spent two second-round picks on receivers, and they have nobody who can block.

And then Stroud doesn't doesn't look like the guy from two years ago.

No.

Now they have some relief.

They play the Titans at home, but no, I would not want to be the Texans right now.

That's a lousy team.

I don't know, yeah, as far as Jacksonville goes, like

they, you know, Lawrence has his awful moments too, but he had to think Travis Hunter was going to work out, right?

And he had to think Brian Thomas wouldn't drop three balls a game.

So that offense, I think, has a chance to get going.

I don't know about the Texans.

I mean, we love Nico Collins, but I feel like he may have to do it all.

Well, here's the other thing.

There's three back in the AFC South already.

Yeah.

They're, uh, they're, I mean,

nine and eight might get a seven seed.

So they'd still have to go nine and five the rest of the way.

Their schedule is not that hard, but uh, you know, 38 points in three games.

I can't, I don't even, I can't imagine how much money you're going to put on a money line parlay with uh, with them to beat the Titans to start.

I don't know.

I might scale back until I get a better feel for this season.

Yeah.

Today was not great.

The Colts killed the Titans.

I had a little on the Titans' money line and immediately regretted it.

Not a lot, just a little.

Colts still have not punted.

Is that true?

Yeah, you're right.

Only one other team has gone 3-0 and punted less than five times, and it was the 2007 New England Patriots.

So on Tennessee first, there were fire Callahan chants.

They've had 31 penalties in three weeks.

They did a whole bunch of dumb shit again.

But I really want to hone in on what happened at the end of the first half.

Do you watch this game or do you have it on multi-game?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I had it.

It was fourth and one.

They're in the 39-yard line with 46 seconds left in the first half.

Indy calls timeout because they want to get the ball back.

The timeout ends, and Callahan's still deciding whether he wants to do a field goal or not.

They get a delay a game

after a timeout, and the field goal goes from 57 to 62.

Sly misses, Indianapolis ends up driving down and getting a field goal.

So, Cowan says, After,

I hadn't decided yet at the moment what we're going to do.

We were going back and forth and wanted a minute to think about it.

I was going back and forth between the fourth-down call and the field goal and decided to go take points in that particular situation.

And the operational part of it to kick it on time didn't happen.

They were coming out of a timeout that they didn't even call.

Right, right.

This guy's more time.

House calls him Dumbo on my Thursday night pod every week.

He might be offensive to Dumbo, but he hates him.

He says he's the worst ever.

Well, we might have a new entry to the first coach fired.

Yeah.

Because McDaniel, like Buffalo, Buffalo really had to work to beat Miami on Thursday night.

I thought Miami like fought.

Right.

Tennessee's not fighting for that.

Miami's drive in the second quarter to end the second quarter was as good as you'll see all year.

But

yeah, Callahan, it's funny because Callahan was the name of the tires.

It wasn't that Tommy Boy?

Callahan tires.

Could Chris Farley go around trying to save his Callahan's job?

Would that be our nickname for him?

Tommy Boy?

Tommy Boy.

His name's not Tommy.

He's the father that had a heart attack in the third scene.

His thing with

the field goal and the delayed game, that was when Tommy Boy was doing the demonstration for the guy and he set his desk on fire.

Right, right, right.

You guys over there puking his guts out.

Get out.

That's Callahan.

Do you?

Anyway.

Well, then the other thing is Cam Ward started the game with a pick six.

And it was like a really awful.

I'm going to just stare you down and then throw it.

And

on the positive side,

the Colts 3-0.

And Daniel Jones apparently has down the nickname Indiana Jones.

I hate it.

I heard the NBC guys talking about that in the pregame show.

That's why I hate it.

Jason Garrett really enjoyed it.

He started humming the song.

And I don't know.

I can get there with it.

No, don't you do it now, too.

But no, I don't.

It's fine.

Tate and I were talking about is it the best nickname?

There's so many great nicknames in the NFL.

And I was all behind it.

And then exactly, I had us written down.

Jason Garrett starts singing the song and calling him Indiana Jones.

What was the song now?

How did the song go?

Isn't it?

I just sang Star Wars.

Whatever.

I don't need Jason Garrett singing or speaking.

No, I just said that's Star Wars.

That's that is.

Hold on.

Yeah, hold on.

We got to get this right.

Let's get it right.

Thank God we're not going live on YouTube today.

Really?

The Raiders, the Raiders' theme song.

Now we're going to get blocked on YouTube.

The Raiders song is.

Hold on.

I got Raiders Lost Ark.

Why am I doing it?

We did it.

Yeah, it is.

I got it right.

Oh, this is John.

Yeah, we did get it right.

Woohoo!

Yeah.

I don't know why I was blanking.

Colts, do you believe yet?

I believe they can win that division, right?

We're not excited about anybody else, but

yeah, that'll be...

I'm looking long and hard at them as the team I'm going to bet against in the playoffs.

Sure.

Shakies?

They're at Rams, home Raiders, home Cardinals, at Chargers.

The funny thing is, they killed the Dolphins, but they should have lost to the Broncos

and then deservedly beat the Titans.

But,

you know,

Beverage Call gets called that they're 2-1.

We're not as less.

The individuals are getting all the love on Fandle.

Jonathan Taylor, as I mentioned, offensive player of the year, favorite.

Steichen, plus 380, coach of the year.

I would have thought Daniel Jones would be,

this is not right.

He's He's third for comeback player of the year.

I thought they were going to give him that award next week when he comes to L.A.

Well, what did he come back from?

Just being terrible?

I guess that's it.

I guess we went through this with Flacco that time.

Right, right.

Can you come back from something if

Indiana Jones?

You have to give him the award.

I like that Trevor Lawrence is fourth.

Who's betting on?

Did Trevor Lawrence come back?

Did I get the memo?

Right.

That's 17 points today.

Well, Dak, McCaffrey, those two are both ahead of Daniel Jones right now.

I guess you're right.

It's what you come back from, right?

McCaffrey.

Two is 100 to 1.

Probably would recommend no on that one.

Yeah.

Well, I think you're right.

What are the Colts' division odds now?

They're like almost two to one, right?

Yeah.

Oh, no.

Minus one.

135.

Hmm.

All right.

If you parlay that and the Chargers.

It's like a trap.

Who screws you?

You almost get two to one.

Yeah, one of those teams are going to be the rabbit team.

I I would do,

I still feel like the Jags can be heard from.

I know that's crazy, but

I like some of the pieces with them, and I think their coach isn't bad.

That's my, I mean, that was my preseason team to win, so I have to stay with it.

I'm just trying to see if the Colts, if it ever gets hard for them here.

At the Rams, home for the Raiders, home for the Cardinals, at the Chargers.

That's a fun game.

And Titans, Steelers, Falcons.

It's always seemed fun.

I'm just mad at myself because I couldn't, July and August, I didn't want to pick the Texans.

I couldn't come up with another team.

I wanted to short the Chiefs.

I didn't have the balls.

And

then thought it was going to be the Broncos and I had the wrong team.

The South division

ruin our summers.

We spend much, much too much time trying to figure out who's going to win.

And then our families are growing up and we're missing it all.

It doesn't make sense that Daniel Jones was that bad last season, unless it's just a two-year injury.

Yeah.

Because he was completely awful last year.

Speaking of awful, Niners cards was a pretty awful game.

And

it had a met, so the Niners were going to win.

And then Mac Jones turned into Mac Jones through a terrible pick

to get the ball back.

There's a safety involving Mac Jones.

It wasn't his fault holding penalty.

And at that point, you realize Niners one and a half is going to be dust because it's 15-13 Cardinals.

I was struggling before the beginning of the day to do Niners minus one and a half for Niners Money Line, which is minus 120.

It's like, ah, I'll just do the minus one and a half.

When is teams ever?

When are they ever win by one?

Well, then they come down.

Mac Jones leads a game-winning drive in the Cardinals.

So I want to blame Kyler Murray or Ganon, but the reality is third to nine, they ran a great pass to Zay Jones, and he just couldn't hold on to it.

That was the high one he went up for and he didn't go.

Yeah, I guess

if you're going to ding them, it's like you ran the play of the game for Zay Jones.

Well, here's who you could blame.

This was a rat line, and I lost on this too, so I'm not going to pretend to be an expert, but this was a rat line.

It was one and a half, right?

The tic-tac, the one we hate.

No one had a good thing to say about Arizona this week.

They were, oh, they're lucky to be 2-0.

They had injuries all over the place.

And this line could not move past San Francisco one and a half.

And the gambling guide says, I know what we'll do.

We'll have them win by one point.

And everyone, like Bill, will have them minus one and a half.

And Mac Jones, like, that was pretty remarkable taking him down the field there.

You know what?

And he was hurt.

He was on one leg.

And you get caught for it, right?

He was like limping around.

You get a safety.

That's like insulting.

That's really hard to come back from.

I know it wasn't his fault, but that's like getting slapped in the face with the white glove.

And he just like shook it off and came all the way down and won there.

Yeah.

Meanwhile, actually played.

And they lost Bosa early in that game.

I thought

they had a bunch of plays in the red zone and inside the 10.

And I thought the cards defense really rose to the occasion.

I don't know why the cards defense is as frisky as it is because it's not like it's loaded with all-pros, but they made a bunch of plays.

Connor going down flipped the game a little bit for them because, you know, I actually think they probably win if that doesn't happen.

But I thought the coaching on both sides, I thought some of the red zone stuff with the Niners was really bad.

Arizona, I just, when Murray is coming out and around on that, like when when you're betting against the cards, I'm just always worried of him rolling out like when they need first downs.

Then they get away from that.

It's like, oh, you're just going to go back and try to hit somebody on third and nine.

I just, I don't love the

whatever.

I thought Trey McBride was terrifying.

Good throw to him in the end zone.

Yep, that helped.

But the

teams were pretty close, though, was my takeaway from that game.

Like the Cardinals were a little better than I was prepared for.

And the Niners just winning that game with Mac Jones, I thought was pretty good.

The Niners are 3-0.

But are they going to lose like, and they beat, was that all three NFC West teams they beat?

Wait, no, yeah.

Two of them.

The Cardinals and Seattle, they beat.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

And New Orleans was the other.

Yeah.

Are they just going to lose someone big every week, though?

That's the problem.

That's the issue.

We know they're not deep.

They pay seven guys, you know, 80% of their

budget there.

So I'm not sure how many more injuries they can afford.

I mean, McCaffrey, that play in the end on the last drive, there's just nobody better than him.

You just, that's true.

You kind of know they're going to do the dump off past him.

They do it anyway, and he's flying off.

Yeah, their defense is a little better than I thought it was going to be, considering they had so much turnover, considering they lost like what, seven, eight guys.

But I think seven kids was helping them, or now he is eight kids.

The

all right.

What's that?

What's that division?

Minus 105?

Do we have a 3-0 team and 3-2-1 teams?

Yes, that's right.

You want to talk about your team or my team?

I mean, we're going to hit both of them.

Let's do your team.

And then maybe we'll forget about mine.

Fumbled four times.

Yeah.

Inside the five-yard line, we had a tip pick that the quarterback just should have lofted it.

It's the easiest touchdown ever and just tries to throw a straight line for some reason.

But I think the reason is because it seemed like he got mildly concussed two plays earlier and they don't even stop it.

They don't have like, I thought they had these concussion spotters.

Like he hits his head backwards.

He's holding his head.

And then two plays later, throws a terrible tip thing.

Ramondre fumbles twice.

It's an all-time murder.

I don't think we'll see him again.

The Pats have five turnovers and 26 first downs.

I don't remember that stat ever.

Last three quarters, they outgame outgame Pittsburgh 349 to 101,

and they lose by seven.

Yeah.

And it was a fucking absolute gut punch of the three hours.

I hated it.

Yeah.

Ugly, ugly, ugly.

And we're definitely better than that team.

I think so, too, but five turnovers.

I mean, the Steelers didn't even do a great job.

Imagine only scoring 21 points.

The other team is five turnovers.

Like Rodgers made a couple of good throws, but 139 yards.

They had 203 total yards, like you were alluding to.

It just doesn't seem like a vrabel team, though, right?

With all the turnovers,

but even going for it on fourth down, I know there were four for five.

Like he goes for it the least on fourth down.

He went for it on our own 15.

Yeah, right.

It's just like a different coach, different everything, different discipline.

May I think May is incredibly talented, and 90% of the game he had today was great.

But

one play a half, he does something stupid.

Like the tip-pass touchdown, that's his fault.

Like, he can't make that play.

And then the other one was, you know, in traffic.

I don't know what he's trying to do, but he loses it and he fumbles.

When he's doing, he's just trying to do too much.

And sometimes he'll put the ball on the ground and he's got to figure out how to not have those two plays a game.

He's young.

I mean, he's 22, but I think when he's moving around on the sides and like he's lightning fast.

Right.

There's a lot of gifts.

He's not too young for me to give him a nickname that you're not going to love.

Okay.

I'm ready for it.

He probably deserves it.

Drake Maby.

You got to say, like, Drake maybe,

right?

He may be good.

I don't know.

Is this an even week or an odd week?

He's so good.

I'm never going to call him that, but that's really good.

Okay.

It's just a really good nickname.

It's Drake Maybe.

I'm sorry.

I mean, we haven't done my team yet.

Plenty of names you can call them.

I feel like that might stick unless he can shake it.

Come on, maybe.

Let's do it.

Have some fun out there, kids.

Just don't have your one terrible play half.

I'm a complete believer.

I have an incredible amount of Drake Maystock.

But he just can't help it.

Yeah.

Man.

That's tough.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Rogers can only do two things at this point.

He can do the quick back pedal, quick throw that's either like a, like a short wide receiver pass or to a tight end three, three yards in front of him.

And he can do the three-step drop, quick back shoulder, 20-yard throw.

And he can't do anything else.

And he's, if you're pressuring him, he's just going to get rid of the ball.

I was not impressed by him.

I didn't think he was very good today, but he did enough to

kind of hang around and get 21 points.

You made things extraordinarily easy for them.

I mean, just barely top 200 total yards.

Couple big, any incompletion.

He's doing this for the flag.

Like he, you know, and then like he got three of them.

It was very frustrating.

It was a very frustrating game.

I can't believe that Drake May nickname.

Unbelievable.

I shouldn't have said it to you.

I feel like a bad friend now.

Jesus.

Why don't you come up with a nickname for my kids now?

Okay, I'll work on it.

Maybe.

Oh, my God.

I still believe.

All right.

You're a stupid team.

Oh, no.

You revived

Caleb's career.

He had a massive fantasy day.

Your defense has given up 12, 25-yard-plus pass plays in the last two games.

Yeah.

You fell for the worst flea flicker I've ever seen.

Oh, it's

a fire.

It was like an alley hoop.

Yeah.

It was like flicking a feather.

That's the flip.

Yeah, it just never came down.

I've been on my cowboy's friend Tex Chain, and we're trying to remember if

this is the worst worst defense we've seen in, in decades, and it really might be.

It really might be.

There was a Nolan, there was a couple of bad ones, but I mean, 385 yards and 57 plays.

I did a little math.

That's seven yards a play.

And it seemed like so much more.

And the fact that, does everyone just embarrass their old coordinator?

Like, you know, Ben Johnson was embarrassed by Detroit.

Should we keep this in mind for gambling purposes?

Like, Chicago embarrassed Abru Fluce.

So, you know, congrats.

You gave Caleb Williams his best game since he was a sophomore at USC.

I hate it.

I hated it.

Dunze is good.

I think he's been fine.

He's definitely made a leap up this season.

Yeah.

Right.

Luther Burden,

you know, the fleet's like wide by 15 yards.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And Kenny Clark, who we got from Micah Parsons, he's out.

He came back.

Trayvon Diggs, I don't even know who's good anymore, honestly.

I get like bummed if these guys are out.

But we are going to be exciting, though.

You're going to see a lot of the same game over and over.

The problem is, as soon as CeeDee Lamb went out, the game was over.

Yeah, right.

Because you have this top-heavy team.

You already traded Parsons.

Now you just have Dak and CD.

If you take him out, there were guys I've never heard of.

What's your record?

Pickens is good.

Pickens is all right, right?

Like he's

very solid number two if CD could stay on the field.

And Javante Williams, you know, he fumbled, but that's been a surprise, too.

So what's our record going to be?

What's your record going to be?

Fando has the regular season wins.

They still have it up already, huh?

Wow.

You can go under 6.5 wins is plus 120.

Yeah, I think 6 and 11 is right.

Under 5.5 is plus 220.

I mean, I'd have to find five wins for them.

I don't know.

I don't think they're there.

Five more?

Well, is CD going to be hurt for a couple of seconds?

He says he's playing Sunday.

He says he's going to play.

Miami

under four and a half wins is plus 165.

That's pretty good, too.

Under five and a half is minus 120.

I don't, are they getting to six wins, the Miami Dolphins?

I mean, do you want to wait on that?

They're home for the Jets on Monday night.

For them to get to six wins, that means they're six and eight the rest of the way.

Is that team going six and eight?

Yeah, that's no, no, no.

No.

I have so many Miami futures already that I just, I can't put more on it.

Against them.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, but don't worry.

I'll give it all back with Denver.

Do you know what's great tua yeah first of all he throws like he has a bomb attached to his chest like i i know exactly where the timer is and i got to get rid of it but

you know they were quarterbacks in the ocean yeah like jimmy g who are the guys who would like throw the hospital balls like even peyton towards the end of his career jameis

he does this he does it with running backs I've never seen it with running backs before, but he'll have A-chan like flaring out and like that's clearly the option, but doesn't get him the ball for a good five Mississippi count.

And then he just gets blown up in the backfield.

Like, he's throwing these passes for minus yards.

It's remarkable what he's doing to it.

He also does this Jedi mind trick on the announcers because he seems like he's in command.

Yes.

At one point, Herbstreet's like, I really like what I'm seeing from Tua.

He's really got, he's got command of this game.

I really, and at that point, he was like four yards a throw.

Right.

There's like 30, 30 attempts for 118 yards.

Herp sheets praising him.

Then he throws an interception and triple coverage to end the game.

But there's something about the rhythm of how he plays that you feel like it's going better than it actually is.

Then you look at the stats and you're like, oh, this is going terribly.

He had the one great drive at the end of the second quarter.

And that was it.

Otherwise, it's, you know, Tyreek Hill has his issues too, but he's like basically hugging the goalpost and 70 yards behind him to has just completed a three-yard pass.

I'm not going to keep doing this.

Three blowouts.

Washington killed the Raiders.

Vegas taking Gentee at six is starting to look a little gamey.

Yeah.

When you think like Membo and the Jets and the right tackle that the Saints or the left tackle the Saints took, Banks.

And then the Raiders can't block.

Vikings, Bengals was a blowout.

Five Bengals turnovers, two for TDs.

I think

the biggest thing with this is Chase was going first in some leagues.

He was certainly the first wide receiver, but in auctions, he was in the 50s.

Sure.

In any snake draft, he was one, two, or three.

I don't know.

If we were doing fantasy drafts over again, I don't think he's one of the top eight or nine hits.

That burrow.

It's Jake Browning, right?

And there was a

fantasy murder.

Oh, yeah, for sure.

And I felt Jefferson's in the same boat, but there was a ton of Jake Browning love this week.

yeah, you would have thought it was Jake from State Farm, the way they, the football pundits were like just going on and on about him.

And what did he do?

He was 19 for 27, 140, two interceptions.

I had that game on the multi-view for a while, and there were a few

kind of showing him on the sidelines, and it was a little dear in the headlights.

See, now, granted, he's in Minnesota.

They're blitzing him.

They're doing all this stuff.

How do you, don't you have two multi-views going?

There were nine games this, and they're always slow.

I did, I settled on, I had the four.

Yeah.

Then I had two, I had a split.

So I had two on one TV, and then I had Rams Eagles on the other TV.

So I had seven.

I just punted on two games.

I didn't really lunatic.

I didn't watch Commander's Raiders at all.

But why?

No, that was kind of the one I dropped.

But whatever the blowout game, I got rid of that immediately.

I never watched that again.

Why doesn't, maybe I'm the only one who wants this, but even DirecTV had the eight box.

Come on, YouTube.

You can get that going.

Or a six or something.

Six, not bad.

The problem with red zone is

I hate when the red zone is ahead of the game.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like sometimes red zone and they'll show it, but that then it's like behind in the box that I've been watching.

Switch your gaze.

So I'll get rid of it.

Seahawks, Saints, nothing happened there other than the Seahawks

might have the makings of a top five defense.

I'm not saying they're a top five defense, but there's some meat, some meat in that dish.

And there's a Darnold Gino seesaw right now where week one.

Oh, Gino.

Oh, Darno.

And now it's like, now it's Darnold and Geno's way down here.

And I just feel like it's going to keep doing

poor Pete Carroll.

Turned 74 on Monday.

Bad, not a great six days.

So maybe old coaches, maybe this isn't a good thing to have a coach in your mid-70s because you watch Carolina and Belichick and then Pete Carroll.

Like maybe there's a shelf life, which we could have told people because we've watched it happen with our own dads.

Of course.

And we get excited because they were 1-0, right?

I mean, it'd be your team.

You didn't get too excited, but Carroll's like chewing gum faster than you've ever seen before, doing push-ups with the defensive line and stuff.

Like, ah, this guy, he's 36.

Doesn't matter, but it's the team.

I think you're right.

Chenti maybe wasn't the right pick.

It was a luxury pick for a team that was five, six players away.

Yeah, that's it.

That's exactly it.

You get that running back when you're a playoff team.

You do it when you're doing

it.

You take Hampton because you're close.

You have a lot of talent.

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All right, cuz week four, you beat me first two weeks, I beat you last week.

Thursday night, Cards, Seahawks.

It's in Arizona.

Yes.

And I think this is a good game.

I'm actually relatively excited to see what happens in this one.

It'll be a defensive affair.

I have the, I put this in the tic-tac zone, Cardinals by one and a half.

Man, I put it in a tic-tac zone too, but I thought Seattle would be favored by one and a half.

You actually nailed it.

It's the Cardinals at home by one and a half.

But I guess that makes sense because San Francisco couldn't pull off a three or two against them.

I don't know.

I think Arizona maybe slaps them around a little in a stupid game, but I don't know.

We have an Ireland game.

Oh, you knew it.

Well, I only knew it because the Ringer Fantasy guys are going there.

So actually

we're doing some shows, and that's how I found out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're writing a check, but then they get on a plane.

I guess.

Radio check so I can remember that there's an Ireland game.

I was thinking today,

I actually, I don't know if it wore me down,

but now I kind of wish we had more 6.30 in the morning Pacific games.

Like, I could have used one today.

I woke up, woke up because I was still in, I was in Boston for a long time, and I came back, and

I was just kind of up at 6.30.

I'm like,

I wish we were in London right now with the Jags and the Browns just watching some terrible football.

Can I sell you on 7 a.m.?

I know if it's overtime, but it overlaps with the early and nobody wants that.

Oh, to throw in, like, have a little multi-view action?

Well, just 7 a.m.

and not 6.30.

Like 6.30, I feel like a degenerate, like a bad father.

9:30 and everything else.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

7's okay.

You can sell me on 7.

Okay, let's do that.

I have Steelers and a Pick'em.

I have this as an actual Pick'em.

Steelers, pick'em, Vikings.

I don't know who gets it.

I guess you do.

I said Steelers minus two.

Yeah.

It's Vikings minus one and a half.

Oh, great.

That was really well played by me.

I don't know.

I guess that's right.

I don't know, man.

Rodgers.

McCarthy will be out, right?

From what I saw today from that Steelers team,

this should be a nice matchup for the Vikings defense, but who knows?

Yeah.

Sunday marquee.

Ravens Chiefs in Kansas City.

It's sad to make the Casey.

We keep complaining about how we're tired of watching them, and yet they're clearly the marquee game in this.

This will be a good game.

Right.

I have the Ravens favored in this game.

And I have the Ravens favored by two and a half.

Oh, come on.

Is this how it's going to be?

I said two, and I thought I was a genius.

I'm like, oh, people are going to say, Bill's going to say Kansas City's favorite.

It's three.

So you get it.

Jesus.

They love Fandal Vegas.

They love the Ravens.

Love a power ranking.

It's tough when the Chiefs are trotting out two guys the Pats wave as their starting receivers.

Like it just is.

It's like, they're their starting receivers, Judy Smith-Schuster and Taekwondo.

It's like, everyone said how terrible our receivers were.

We weighed both of those guys.

It's not great.

Yeah, they're Chiefs.

Well, if the Ravens give up 35-40 to Detroit, I don't think they will tomorrow.

And then we'll know that's pretty much their defense, right?

If two

good teams are doing that to them.

But I think it's a fair line.

I have four watchables starting with the Eagles at Tampa.

And

so we have Mike Evans has had his annual hamstring injury, which

in our league that we're in together, the knockout league.

I, of course, have Mike Evans

who always goes $10 less than he should because

nobody wants to have him when he has the injury and he's gone for four weeks.

But then the price hit a point where I was like, I'm just taking him.

I'll get 10 good weeks out of him.

Well, the hamstring injury happened.

He'll get to 1,000 yards.

He always does.

Even if he needs 80 yards.

I'll have him for the playoffs.

Worfs is coming back, and apparently Godwin's coming back too.

And,

oh, we kind of forgot to talk about that game, which is my fault.

Tampa has now had three game-winning drives.

They're 3-0 with three game-winning drives.

He's so exciting.

He is so excited.

He just makes shit happen.

He's great.

He really is.

And I didn't even think Tyrod Taylor was bad.

He threw a costly pick six with 20 seconds left in a half.

And that ended up being the difference.

But I think Bowles kind of screwed up and let the Jets back in it.

And

their guy was the only one to make a field goal in that early slot, and they won.

I think he's become my favorite non-Patriots QB to watch.

Because

it's always exciting.

The other team's always dropping interceptions that he's throwing them, or he'll make some great play.

He'll start talking shit to people.

At the end of games, you always feel like he can come through.

I don't know.

I like

not that

everyone needs a nickname, but he's like a 1 p.m savior, right?

Like he's always alive in the fourth quarter.

King of the the multi-view.

Yeah, right.

Just that early slate that normally sucks.

You know, you can count on him.

Yeah.

So I have Eagles minus two and a half.

All right.

I got to make a comeback here.

I don't know if I can.

I said Eagles one.

That was dumb.

It's three.

Two, three and oh teams.

Let's do it.

Also, two minus threes.

We haven't had a lot of those in guest launch.

Right.

Falcons home for Washington.

No idea if Jaden Daniels is playing.

I think the Falcons are going to be one of these teams that there's the home Falcons line, and then there's the Road Falcons line.

We don't have a lot of these.

I have Falcons minus one and a half.

Man, I could have stole this from you, but my guess was even worse.

I said Falcons minus two and a half.

It's Washington minus three.

Whoa, okay.

Or 5-0.

I guess it's two and a half now.

Either way, you get it.

Wow.

What do you think the reason is for that?

I don't know.

And it's this is Mariota.

The dogs were so bad.

Yes.

No, but it's Mariota, though, unless we hear differently.

So they must think Daniels is coming back.

Like, you know, Washington, I guess they had that game in hand, but they gave up some big plays, too.

Like, Trey Tucker's still scoring a 50-yard touchdown as we speak.

Yeah, that's a weird one.

Well, we have three home dogs already.

Just pointing that out.

Rams.

Rams home for the Colts.

I really wanted to do Rams by three on this, but I think the Colts get a half point of respect.

So I went Rams minus two and a half.

Okay, I got this exactly.

It's three and a half.

Not a lot of respect for that.

I wish I wasn't so

angry at the Rams because

I would be all over this.

I might still, but I don't know.

I don't know if I can forgive.

I don't have it.

I know we talk about this every year, but the worst gambling beat of all time was the Music City Miracle.

I think we decided this like 10 years ago.

Yeah.

That was number one because it was a playoff game.

Right.

Yeah.

It not only swung it, but it also swung the line.

Wasn't it?

It was like Buffalo by five or something.

Right, right, right.

Yeah.

So that not only did they lose, but

for me, I don't think the miracle, I think it was an LA miracle that I didn't have money on it here at my home.

I think that's why I didn't hurt as much.

Niners, Jaguars.

So I assume Brock Purdy, but the Niners have had a bunch of injuries.

And

I don't know why I went low on this, but it felt the right thing to do.

Niners minus three and a half.

Oh, you jerk.

I thought you were going to go even lower.

I said four.

It is three and a half.

Oh, man.

This is a good sign for my game when I'm on it with the Lions.

It's good for you.

Maybe I'm finally going to get my shit together.

That's a fair line because there's backdoor touchdown potential with the Jags.

The stupid Jags could have been 3-0.

Like, how did they blow that Bengals game?

Kind of dumb.

Fairly watchables.

Lions home for the Browns.

And

I just don't think the Browns can be a double-digit underdog anymore.

So

I went nine and a half for this.

That was as high as I wanted to go.

Wow, you are just edging me out.

I thought they could be a double-digit underdog.

I had 10, and it's eight and a half.

Yeah.

You get it.

Their defense is too good.

I don't think you can spot them that many points.

But if Detroit loses,

this can't be a game that they screw around with, right?

If they lose tomorrow,

this is.

All right.

Well, we'll talk.

We'll talk Turkey and Caesars.

We always try not to overreact after three weeks, but that Browns team seems like, yeah, I was reading some of the quotes after.

It's kind of an adult team.

It's weird.

Like Flacco was talking about, we went all week.

We just talked about playing complimentary football, complimentary football.

Adult team.

For three hours, we played complimentary football, and that's why we won.

It's like, well, that's an adult explanation, Joe Flacco.

But yeah, they play defense.

They don't beat themselves.

They can run the ball a little bit with Judkins now.

Their offensive line's okay.

They have a couple half-decent receivers and they get stops on defense.

Like, they've done this now.

They held the Bengals to 17 with Burroughs.

I can't believe this.

I'm just saying.

They held the Bengals to 17.

They could have been shut out today.

And they held the Packers to 10.

Yeah, that I saw.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The defense is good.

I don't know.

I just, like I said, Flacco's thrown 100 times and they end up with like 17 points at the end.

I'm not defending that.

Okay.

Here is the let's be careful out there game of the week.

Chargers at the Giants.

After what we saw today, I don't see how this isn't at least Chargers by six.

And I'm going to say Chargers by six and a half at the Giants.

Oh, good.

Okay.

You left the door open there.

I said five.

It's five and a half.

Vegas owned us.

I'm not.

Yeah, three and over, so three.

I don't know.

It's only an hour since we saw how miserable they were, but this is not.

If this game was like December 2nd, I'm like, like, oh, the Chargers are going to get tripped up.

I don't have that feeling right now with them.

What do we call week four?

Is the makeup mirror week?

The makeup mirror?

Yeah, you know, those mirrors that our wives have when you turn the light on, you can see all the things on your face, just everything.

It's like the crazy microscope view of your face.

This is it.

Yeah.

I feel like week four, you kind of know, we kind of know what the weaknesses are.

It's the core,

yeah.

With the Chargers, Hampton, really their only running back now that Harris is out.

Um,

offensive line, just shaken up that the Giants could

probably pressure Herbert and do some stuff.

Chargers on the road.

This is a game the Chargers should win, but it's very similar to that Packers-Browns game.

Right.

It's like, oh, if you're a really good team, you should win this.

And then you don't.

I guess so.

I think Russ is if that defense plays like they did against

who'd they play on Monday night last week?

What was that?

They played the Raiders.

Yeah, I don't know.

I don't think Russ is going to be able to move this ball too much.

Do we see Russ?

You think this is where they switch it, huh?

I would do it.

I thought when Dart came in for those little option stuff, I just, they were immediately more dangerous for me

because of his athleticism.

I would do it.

I would just

wait for the fans are bulling because they drafted a number one.

They have the first rounder quarterback.

Like, no, they're booing because they're New York.

This is New York.

This is what they did.

This is what they did.

Yeah.

Oh, Mike.

He came right in.

He made friends with everybody.

He loves being on the practice squad.

They just love Jackson Dart.

He might have said a pass rush record today.

Tonight.

I think I heard 25 when I wasn't able to.

Well, I like they had that all 22 camera.

Yeah.

And they were showing how Abdul Carter was like combo spy assassin.

That's great.

Where he was like kind of rushing, but also ready to be the spy.

I've never seen a defensive lineman used that way.

It was really interesting how they use it because usually that's just like a pure linebacker.

Now I want to look for defensive rookie of the year.

They're mine up.

He's a beast.

He's right there.

That kid in the Niners has a chance, too.

What are the odds for defensive rookie of the year?

I'm not seeing it now.

They only have offensive up right now.

Yeah, they took it down because they knew we were going to talk about it.

Next one: Texans, Titans.

I can

honestly say I might skip this for the multi-view or even like any TV next week.

No, you're going to have too much money on them.

You can't, you're not going to skip this.

On money on who?

I'm not betting this game.

Texans.

No.

This is their season.

That's it.

They're a cross-off.

Oh, for the divisionettes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's in Houston.

I'm going to say Texans by five and a half.

All right, I get this.

I said six and a half.

It is seven and a half.

Do I have a chance?

That's 7.3 You're winning.

Come on, who's laying that many points with a team that can't run the ball or score?

Well, you get a free six with Cam.

I guess they are going against Tommy Boy, right?

Tommy Boy.

New guy's puking his guts out.

Fat guy with a little coat.

Don't do it, Tommy Boy.

No, Tommy Boy.

The Titans need you.

Raiders, Bears.

Wow.

Somebody's favored by one and a half.

Where is this?

I'm going to say it's in Vegas.

I'm going to say Vegas by one and a half.

Damn, you got it.

You got it.

I said two.

One and a half.

Vegas, exactly, one and a half.

Yep.

Both one and two.

Kind of a kitchen sink game for the Raiders.

Someone's going to win, and people are going to talk about the winner being in the playoff contention.

Can we write that down that we're not going to be that one of those people?

Yeah, let's not do that.

Yeah.

I do have something speaking of the Raiders and Tom Brady.

Because

I had Tom Brady for a decent chunk of the game because he was doing one of the late games.

J.J.

Watt was so much better than him as an announcer.

JJ Watt was fucking fantastic.

Have you actually listened to one of his games?

That was the first time I'd heard because he did Steelers Pats.

Yeah, he's actually.

he was just awesome.

Like he was laying out.

He was immediately picking out whatever had happened on the line for every single play.

Whatever happened, he was like, well, you know what?

They missed that butt, the right tackle missed it.

And that allowed and they didn't chip him.

But it was all like very accessible.

He's not that funny.

There's not like a massive sense of humor with him.

So I and Eagle was really working hard because he's a funny guy.

And I think he can start pulling it out more and more.

But from observation analysis, he was lights up i really really safe mustache that's how bet much the comedy was lacking he had this crazy i don't know if well that was because of this it was because it was 70s throwback right right right yeah that's it so that's where it was but um no he was excellent and he doesn't take himself seriously right but he gets that but he's uh he speaks on our level he's good because i was as a pats fan i'm like great we got jj watt his brothers out there we're gonna have to do this brother thing

but he he like kind of really went against it there was only one time when TJ Watt got held on a fourth down, and he's like, Oh, they got away with a hold.

I don't know how he saw it from the booth,

and then they do the all-22, and it's like clearly gets hold.

But he's just, he was seeing everything.

And uh,

I just, I, I thought he really helped me enjoy the game, like, I learned from him, yeah.

So, kudos to him.

I hope he's

learning, yeah.

Who's your who's your

Buck and Aikman are the number one right now, right?

Well, you're biased, you're friends with their own, yeah, you gotta go to the bottom of what they have with it.

He's got like a five-foot stand-up, right?

Yeah, I know.

I know.

This is a bad topic for you.

But Eagle and Wadda is in the conversation now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Collins were Tarika, I really like.

They're all good.

I don't think we had five good teams.

Greg Olson's good.

Yeah, we had at least five.

Olson's very good.

Yeah.

And Brady, it's okay.

I just feel like him and Burkhardt, it's not something's missing, and I don't know what it is.

Maybe it's the fact that Brady's doing 17 other things.

I feel like he's going to grow on me.

Eventually, I'm going to be like, Yeah, this is good.

Yeah, I think so.

I just,

you and I have seen some long-form stuff with him.

Like, there was a 30 for 30 on the tuck rule.

He was crazy.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, that one.

The more time he has, the better.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that's fine.

One thing I've noticed with him, because I don't think he's bad.

I do think he brings some stuff to the table.

But a lot of times he's better coming out of the timeout

when they can go like with a big wide shot of the play.

And he's like, watch what, what, and he'll like actually really lay it out.

I think he has a problem in the moment when a play, like dissecting it immediately, but when he has a little time, he's really good.

Coach Tommy Boy has the exact opposite problem, very bad coming out of the timeout to play a game, lights out of every time everywhere else.

He was doing the crisper, like, oh, god damn, holy snipe!

How did I do that?

We turned it over again.

Uh,

poop factor,

Bills Saints

Yanks Saints were just wow

Bills were favored.

I'll give you a hint.

I'll give you a clue there.

Yeah.

Saints in pole position now is the worst team in the league.

Yeah.

So it's either 14 or 14 and a half.

We haven't seen a line this high.

And I kept it at 14 because of the Bills defense.

So I have Bills by 14.

You're going to love this.

No, it has to be higher because they were 12 and a half against the Dolphins.

At least they have a pulse.

i said 15 and a half it's 16 and a half

that's a good number

good number holy moly

so let me read this to you spencer rattler is 0-9 now as a starter has anyone gone 0-10?

There are two guys who have been 0-15.

So he's got 0-15.

Who are the two guys?

You want to guess?

Or is it to

this had to be from like when we were kids?

No, definitely since we were, one of them we gave a pretty good nickname to.

Oh, it was it, Kaiser Kaiser Soze.

Yeah, that's the one.

Deshaun Kaiser Soze was 0-15, and Chris Wankey is the other one.

He was before.

Chris Wankey?

Yeah.

He went 0-15?

I didn't know he had that many starts in him.

I guess he did, right?

Honestly, if you told me over-under for Chris Wanky starts, I would have guessed like seven.

Yeah.

0-15.

So did he ever get a win or no?

Can Rattler get there?

That I didn't look up.

I just, how

I got to look this up now.

How did Chris Winky, where was I?

I feel like we were even doing you had skipped those two years.

I feel like we were even doing pots back then.

We knew each other then.

We did?

Yeah, he drafted in 2001.

But then he started in 06 and 07.

All right.

So he finished 2 and 18 as a starter.

And he lasted like five seasons.

Yeah.

He was gone for three and then came back.

Then the other one was Kaiser.

Yeah.

I mean,

15

a lot, man.

He never had a win.

Owen 15, career.

He didn't get there?

Really?

Oh, he's got to come back.

Owen 15 won the 2017 Browns and then played three more games off the bench for the Packers, but didn't start.

Oh, I mean, the Cowboys will start him, right?

Maybe could take a back seat for one game, right?

His quarterback rating was 60 and a half,

58.9 for his career.

He had 11 touchdowns and 22 picks in 2017, and then another two picks in 2018.

So he finished with 11 touchdowns and 24 picks.

That's pretty good.

Yeah, we loved it.

We loved it when he moved in.

I think we were making money betting against him.

We must have been.

We actually were.

I remember.

Yeah, we don't have a Kaiser.

So maybe Rattler could be be the new Kaiser Suze.

Will they leave him in long enough, right?

Who's knocking on his door?

Hainer and nobody.

Tyler Shuck.

Yeah.

Tyler Shuck.

Yeah.

I think they can maybe give him that many starts.

Good luck, Spencer.

My other poop fact, Patriots home again for the Panthers.

This is a loser leaves town match, and it might just be two losers.

I have the Patriots favored by three.

Let me see if this changed.

Patriots are home, right?

Yeah.

Four and a half.

I had three also.

You said three?

We both got it.

So I won for the week.

Is that it?

There's two more games.

I had a big lead for you.

Oh, shit.

Yeah, it's over.

It's over.

No, it's Ring Bay Dallas.

There's two more.

Two Monday.

Oh, there's two Mondays?

You should get docked four games of not knowing there were two Mondays.

Who was the other Monday game?

Oh, Cincy Devon.

Oh, that got cut off my thing.

I had a guess for that.

You're going to win anyway.

You got it anyway.

Nine, two, five.

Damn, Jacoby.

Jacoby.

Mojo back.

You're number one fan.

Okay.

Sunday night.

Packers at Cowboys.

The Micah Parsons game.

Jerry Jones, who's his interview with, you think?

Dungey, who does he sit down with?

What NBC person?

Marie Taylor?

He sits down with the clapper.

Doesn't that make the most sense?

Clapper?

They deserve each other at this point.

I was watching college football on Saturday, and there was like a weather delay in the Notre Dame game, and Jason Garrett had to fill for like, I don't know, 10 minutes.

It's the second time because that also happened in the NFL.

I was trying to think who's less equipped to be able to fill.

Yeah.

The clapper trying to be the filler.

Oh,

they shouldn't do that anymore.

If there's even a threat, a 2% chance of precipitation, they should get him the hell out of there.

Or just like queue up seinfeld or something be like we now bring you to a classic season four Seinfeld

Packers sings the Indiana Jones song over on a loop

I have the Packers by five in Dallas

we split it I said six and I think it should be higher it's five and a half okay I mean congratulations there's your second leg of a teaser I don't know who's first I mean that's such a winner well we're gonna have it's gonna be a Jordan love referendum for the next couple of days on the talk shows.

And then

he has the Dallas defense waiting for him.

He does.

And Micah is going to end Dak's career, all that stuff.

Yeah.

Oh, it's going to be a fun week.

Monday night,

Dolphins home for the Jets.

Unbelievable.

The Dolphins stink, and they're going to be favored in this game.

Yeah.

And not only are they going to be favored, I think they're going to be favored by two and a half.

You got it exactly.

I said three.

That's two and a half.

Wow.

I'm on it this week.

I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna open up on the betting this week.

I think I think

you really did a great job.

I've never cheat manipulating these.

Yeah.

No, they're doing the thing.

Like last week, they did the Mondays.

One was at four, one was at seven on the west coast.

Now they're like, screw that.

You're going to have to watch both.

One's at 7.15, one's at 8.15 Eastern.

I like that more.

Yeah.

I thought the two in a row on Monday night was a little much.

The other one's too late.

Yeah.

Yeah, it was just, come on.

I just did 10 hours on Sunday.

Now I got to do another six on Monday.

Right.

Bring them a little closer.

I mean, who did it?

Was it Chris Fowler who had laryngitis?

Like, that's how.

Yeah.

Was it Rhys Davis or Chris Fowler?

Are they the same person?

Chris Fowler did it.

Chris Fowler.

Showed like this the whole time.

And then Broncos, Bengals in Denver, Jake Browning.

And yet, Denver,

I just don't think they could be favored by more than like four and a half.

So I'm going to go four and a half.

Yeah, I went even lower.

I said four, seven and a half.

Oh, come on.

Yeah, I mean, but that's over.

They can't lose that game, though, Denver.

They got to

that.

We just saw what Jake the Snake did against a good defense.

Oh, I forgot that we were calling him Jake the Snake.

Yeah.

All right, we're tied two to two.

Damn.

Damn, that's not fun.

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What do you got?

All right.

Mine, it's just going to be a short one, but it's so my family and I spent some time with our cousin, Jimmy Kimmel, and his family the other night night after a tumultuous week.

Tumultuous.

That's a good word for it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And the kids, my kids, I think, I think they felt weird approaching him at first.

And my middle guy, Jack, who's a junior in high school, breaks the ice and says in his deadpan way, he says, hey, some kids at school say it's not right.

What happened to you?

And then just leaves it there.

Like I'm really like,

really,

and so, and Jimmy says, well, what did you say?

He's like, I said, yeah, I think you're right.

And Jimmy's like, well, next time tell them, I'm not too worried about what happens.

My cousin Jimmy is an excellent dancer.

And Jack was stone-faced taking it in and nodded like, okay.

And I guarantee tomorrow he's going to take this literally and say this to high schoolers.

There's no doubt about it.

I guarantee it.

So there you go.

He's an excellent kid.

Were your kids,

they're getting this in school?

Yeah.

Yeah, they're getting it.

Because my kids were getting it, and your kids are actually related to Jimmy.

Yeah, right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They're younger.

I mean, you know, it's just a quick angle.

That's all I have to say right now.

I can't really say anything.

You and I, I know too much.

Yeah, we're, we both know too much.

Yeah, we both know too much.

And we, not only, not only our cousin, but all the people working for the show.

And it's better if we're not talking about this than anything.

When I can, I will.

I think you wrapped it up pretty well the other day.

I didn't listen, but someone told me what you said didn't sound too stupid, so good.

Didn't listen?

That's no, I listened.

I listened.

No, it's good.

I hope it works out.

Wouldn't that be nice?

I hope it has a nice, nice, happy ending

in some fashion.

We'll see.

Yeah,

we'd probably talk about it more if we knew what was going to happen.

And

I think, you know, we're too far under the hood in this one, so it's better that we don't really talk about it.

Um,

so

my, my, uh, my mom has really taken it up a level with the texts and

just sends me these random ones, including one on Monday, where uh, she's asked me about the weekend and then texted about the podcast.

Um, watching you and Sal, what happened to your right eye?

Oh,

I don't know,

And I'm like, I don't know.

I'm in Boston.

My contacts, like, she's like, looked like your eyelid was bruised in the inside corner and

I was bloodshot.

Thought Carrie threw another shoe at you.

So

this is a story when my wife and I were living together in Boston and we weren't even engaged.

I lived in this apartment where we put all our stairs in the, you walked in the door and we put our stairs at the bottom.

And then you would, this is when I lived in Charlestown, Then you would walk up the stairs to where the room was.

So my wife

was up ahead of me.

We had just gone out to dinner and had a couple of drinks.

And she didn't realize I was behind her.

And she was taking off her shoes.

And she whipped the shoe back, but I was actually coming around the corner of the thing.

And she nailed me in the eye.

And my mom has been bringing this up now for 27 years.

Like it was like a domestic violence incident.

Carried through, like she's, I don't think she's ever really fully believed the story.

Yeah, I think she's waiting for you to to break down and tell her the truth one day it's like well you know that you know remember that time well here's what actually happened and this is really what happened it was she's at the top of the stairs she was kicked off or she kicked it down and it just like nailed me in the eye

and i damn

once my mom's brought it up once a year ever since so somehow somehow yet again

it came up uh and she also has had a lot of a lot of thoughts about our cousin that i'm not going into about about the the treatment that I'm not going to read in, but she's been weighing in a lot on text lately.

She thinks other people should get kicked in the eye.

I think the texting with the, with our moms, you know, the, with the technology was dicey there for a while, right?

And then they started to go on Facebook.

Your mom was big on Facebook.

My mom was more of a reader of Facebook.

And the text were always like incoherent, misspellings.

But now they're just like very direct.

Like, what's going on with this?

Or like some crazy comment, or Bill Maher's dead to me, or like, just like, just very direct stuff.

And I've really enjoyed her text a lot.

Do you get a lot of AI?

I'm getting a ton of AI stuff from my mother.

Like, look at this.

Just then, just videos that are clearly not.

Some of them are tough to distinguish, but it'll be like Jimmy talking and like, no, he hasn't said anything about this.

What do you, what, come on, stop.

But yeah, that, that part could

there was a great Belichick,

whatever her name is, video yesterday.

Jordan.

Yeah.

Well, because

there was video of her going on the sidelines talking.

Right.

So, of course,

all my past fans, we're just like, wow, could this be going worse?

Yeah.

Like, this is the greatest NFL coach of all time.

This has been the most humiliating year ever.

He's getting his ass kicked in these games.

He's got this 25-year-old coming on the sidelines when he's trying to coach.

Like, how did he get to this point?

But there was this AI thing where they're talking and then all of a sudden they start making out.

And I actually believed it for a split second.

I was like, oh my God, what's he doing?

And then I was like, oh, this is AI.

They got me.

But we're going to hit a point where it has to say AI in the corner, right?

You'll have to start to put like, it has to be like watermarked AI.

It's too easy now to fake this stuff.

Right, right, right.

Yeah, I want to see one of Jordan kicking her heels off and one hitting Bill in the eye and the other Bill Belichick.

Right.

See what that looks like.

My mom's still investigating this.

It's like a dateline NBC.

So, what did you say to her with that particular comment?

Did you say?

I think I just old and I slept wrong.

And I don't know.

I don't know what happened.

It was like there was nothing.

No, Carrie didn't throw another shoe at me.

I'm fine.

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for details so yeah should be an interesting week ahead

yeah

we'll see how it goes i wish i could say anything there are a couple bombshells still there so uh i'm feeling yeah we're gonna be all right Everything's gonna be just fine.

I think we'll be fine.

You know, I'm not betting against our cousin.

Yeah.

He'll be fine.

Whatever he wants to do.

Hey, listen, he might just want to be a pop-up chef, just start making barbecue around

the South Bay area.

He'll do a great job.

I'm happy.

Yeah,

he'll be fine.

Anything you want to plug before we go?

Yeah.

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So that's going to be fun.

I zoomed into that Wednesday show with you and the bundle

i was power walking around boston and i was outraged i just jackpatched me and all of a sudden i was on the show the bundle wouldn't he passed on the thursday night game we spent 10 minutes previewing the thursday night game and he passed on

you can't pass on the one game right he's on a gambling show where you have to give picks You were worked up.

You had that busted eye and everything.

You walked in the streets of Boston.

Terry just hit me with a shoe.

I was like, nice working with you, Debundo.

I think you have to make picks on these gambling shows.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

It's the games tomorrow night.

It's the only NFL game with like a pick.

He wouldn't even do the over for the Miami Total.

That's what I did.

That was my

either.

Yeah.

Anyway.

Also, I want to say sports book concigliary David Sheripan passed away this weekend.

He was a really good dude.

He was a fan of ours.

He's,

you know, I'm not going to pretend to be his best friend, but I'd see him in Vegas, in front of and behind the counter, worked at various sports books.

We'd shoot the shit.

Super nice fella, and one of the few, maybe the only sports gambler who seemed to be loved by everyone.

Is there a sports gambler that's loved by everyone?

I think that's harder than a three-team teaser.

I don't think you could do that.

I certainly can't think of one.

No, he's the only one.

No, he's gone.

Rest in parlays, Dave.

You know, the only other thing I had for you before we go.

Yeah.

I haven't won our fantasy football league in

since 2008.

What are you talking about?

2007.

No.

I just like my team this year.

I feel like I might have something this year with my team.

Let me see.

Double deuce.

All right.

So you're going to win by, you're going to beat Hench this week?

Yeah.

I have the Caleb Williams Baker Mayfield QB combo.

James Cook.

I have the two Pats running back.

So the Ramondre is about to get waved.

So that'll be Trayvian Henderson going forward.

I have this Ollie Gordon on Miami and Woody Marks on Houston.

I feel like one of those is going to come on.

Nico Collins, Mike Evans, Tyreek Hill.

I have Brock Bowers and Tucker Kraft.

Not bad.

I have Aya Manner and Booty and

Dobbs.

Right.

And then Braylon Allen and the Jets.

I feel like I'm going to get lucky.

I have all my fab left.

I just kind of like my team this year.

I like my quarterbacks.

I feel like i can make a run i mean you're definitely gonna lose this week now that you talked them up you have a 37-point lead going up against gibbs and laporta but uh

yeah i feel pretty good about that

37.4 point lead

and then your team has

what do you have i have you have herbert one a channel jacobs jefferson mclaurin garrett wilson yeah my team's way better than yours what yeah i have kenneth walker on my bench i'll figure it out

yeah i'm gonna going to lose this.

You have Shakir.

Yeah.

Who's the number one pick if we're doing a fantasy draft right now?

Jonathan Taylor, I think, right?

Is it?

Oh, yeah.

I think you're right.

He's got monster numbers here.

I don't know.

Are you, how many?

Aren't we in like seven leagues?

I can't even.

Well, we're doing this guillotine league, which has been, that's been really fun.

Right.

I'm in, I'm in two guillotine leagues and two knockout leagues, then the ringer fantasy league that I think I'm gonna be in last place for.

Oh, you are, and we had a draft punishments.

What was your punishment?

I can't, it wasn't anything that bad.

One of them was like no coffee for a week, and you like almost started crying when you saw that.

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to do that, that would have been really tough.

I think mine was carrying us to throw a shoe at Vegas.

I wish I had known that stuff.

My mom chases it down for 27 years.

I should have taken a video of the stairway, like reenact it.

What happened?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it wasn't great.

Anyway.

All right, cuz,

as always, especially this week.

Good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy.

Thanks to Eduardo and Gahau as well.

Don't forget, new rewatchables coming Monday.

We did airplane, Sal.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Airplane.

And then Prestige TV Task on HBO.

Episode three.

Just broke that down.

Yeah.

Surely it can't be serious.

All right.

See you next week, Sal.

See you, bud.

I don't have

a feeling with them.

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