The Kimmel Situation. Plus, "Can the Chiefs Really Go 0-3?" and More Week 3 Gambling Questions With Joe House

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The Ringer’s Bill Simmons reacts to ABC pulling Jimmy Kimmel off the air (2:23). Then, Joe House joins the pod to make their Ringer 107 picks before checking in on the Clippers drama and other NBA news (16:42).

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All right, I am recording this.

It is Thursday night.

I have been on duty the last 24 plus hours wondering what was going to happen with Jimmy Kimmel, who I have known since 2001, I worked for him for the first 18 months of his show, Jimmy Kimmel Live, which is still on the air and maybe not for much longer.

We're going to find out.

We've been friends for 24 years, so

you're probably not going to be shocked to find out that I am on Jimmy Kimmel's side with most stuff.

But I think this story, the way it was dissected, the way it unfolded this week, and kind of what it means big picture, I want to talk about that more than what happened.

So it's a little different than the Stephen Colbert thing for a couple of reasons.

Colbert, I don't feel like was the face of CBS, whereas Jimmy was.

Jimmy, his show has been on for over two decades.

He hosts Who Wants to Be a Millionaire on ABC.

He hosts the upfronts.

He's been hosting those since the mid-2000s for them.

He hosted the Oscars multiple times.

And it's just, I don't even, like when I was growing up, when we had battle network stars and things like that in the 70s, like each, each network had just all these different stars that you would associate with the network.

And, you know, once you get to 2025, as they're making less and less TV shows,

there's more reality shows.

There's more sports, all these things that kind of make a network feel

less vibrant, I guess, than a lot of the streamers.

Jimmy was one of the few people that you would have associated with ABC.

Colbert, his show was expensive.

It wasn't as impactful on social media.

And when it got canceled, or when they said they were canceling it next May,

my reaction was, you know, like a lot of other people, like, ah, this is sinister.

What's going on here?

But it really does seem like they wanted just to get out of late night and the show was too expensive for them and the risk kind of exceeded the reward.

And the reason I think that was because Paramount, the company that, you know, was in charge of this decision, after they got rid of Colbert,

they tripled down on South Park, which is a show that's way more controversial, way more critical of the Trump administration and just pushes the envelope way harder than Colbert did.

So,

when you look at the Jimmy situation, I just think he means more to ABC in a bunch of different ways.

But if you compare it, CBS versus ABC, it comes down to leverage and comes down to power.

Paramount,

they're not

canceling South Park because it's too important of a brand to them.

It matters too much.

They can't get rid of it.

It drives too many subs.

Trump knows that.

The people that he's going to use to try to put pressure on stuff to get rid of programming or hosts or whoever,

he knows they're not going to get rid of South Park.

But Colbert, there's a door open and you can kind of push through.

So if he was responsible for that, who knows?

But I just don't think Colbert had the same leverage.

NBC, like it was interesting, Trump this week mentioned like Fallon and Seth are next.

Well, Fallon and Seth are in a weak spot right now because late night television is in a completely different stratosphere than it was even 10 years ago.

Yeah, it's conceivable they would get rid of both of those shows and just show reruns or whatever.

SNL is a different story.

And Trump's complained about SNL over and over and over again over the years, but NBC is never canceling it.

There's no situation where they would be like, we are getting rid of this show that gets massive ratings, that's, you know, a huge live thing for us, that does incredible stuff online.

We would get a huge blowback for it.

And NBC is going to treat SNL a little differently than maybe they're going to treat the late night things.

ABC and Kimmel, that was somewhere in the middle of those two worlds, the CBS and maybe SNL and NBC.

But if the FCC can leverage some affiliates to get rid of it,

then that becomes a different story.

And what we learned from all of this stuff was that the affiliates and these companies, there's this merger.

You have Nexstar merging with Tegna, two companies that I put zero thought in over the years.

But apparently they want to merge.

They need FCC approval.

The FCC, the guy who runs it, appointed by Trump, I don't know, eight years ago, he sees an opportunity to leverage some stuff.

They need to approve the merger.

So now you start leveraging and leveraging.

And if you want to get rid of a show like Jimmy's show,

this is the moment to do it.

But what was interesting in Rolling Stone the next day,

they had this tidbit.

In the hours leading up to the decision to pull Kimmel, two sources familiar with the matter, say senior executives at ABC, its owner Disney and affiliates, convened emergency meetings to figure out how to minimize the damage.

Multiple execs felt that Kimmel had not actually said anything over the line, which I agree with.

The two sources say, but the threat of Trump administration retaliation loomed.

And that's why this isn't cancel culture.

This is censorship, which is a completely different situation.

But this goes back to the leverage versus power thing.

You know, initially, as this is unfolding, Jimmy Show isn't quite powerful enough for Disney for them to defend it the same way NBC would have defended Saturn Alive in a similar circumstance, right?

Trump knows this.

Bob Iger knows this.

There's only so far they're going to go.

And if it's going to cost them affiliates and all these issues, they're not going to mess with it.

But what changed over the last 24 plus hours is there was such a groundswell.

This just felt like this became the moment.

If we stand by and let something like this happen, what's next?

Where do we go?

And, you know,

I grew up as a kid in the 70s reading about McCarthyism, about the Smothers brothers getting

basically fired by CBS because they kept challenging the Vietnam War, Lenny Bruce, you know, the Woodward and Bernstein and the Washington Post challenging Nixon.

And when you're a kid reading that stuff, especially going into the 80s, a lot of these people become heroes.

And

a lot of the stories that you read about them, you're like, man, those people really stuck to their guns.

They stuck to their values.

And fast forward to 2025 and nobody sticks up for anything.

Everybody's afraid of everything at all times.

It's just the reality of the situation.

We don't need to go and why.

There was such a groundswell against Disney this week

that I actually think this, I went from thinking there was no chance this show was going to come back.

And I just never, I thought Jimmy, rightfully so, was just going to dig in and maybe that was going to be it.

But maybe this flips.

Maybe, maybe what Disney is realizing is that at some point you got to stand for something.

At some point, you got to stand by.

a person who has been one of the best people you've had for 20 plus years, who all he's done has elevated

your company, who has come through time and time again in all these different ways and is a face.

Once you start losing your faces, you just don't have a soul anymore.

You're just another place that's just pumping out content.

You might as well be Pluto at that point.

And I think maybe that's why there's a little hope of this.

But again, it's Thursday night.

I don't know how it's going to play out.

The bigger question for me.

Why does Jimmy need ABC anymore?

And I have not talked to him about this.

You know, this is, I've been in this situation.

I was in this situation 11 years ago and 10 years ago.

And when

your life and career blows up in one second and all these people are reaching out, it's pretty overwhelming.

I don't know why he needs ABC.

Howard Stern was in this position two decades ago and ended up with Sirius and probably has no regrets, right?

He was just tired of dealing with the FCC, goes to Sirius and has this whole second act.

Conan gets out of the late night grind,

really got screwed over by the tonight show and Leno, ends up at TBS, becomes pretty irrelevant for somebody who's on TV every day, and then just completely reinvents himself.

And I think is now in an incredible position.

Like, I think he's really somebody I admire a lot, how he was able to reinvent everything he was doing.

Joe Rogan is the biggest host we have of anything, right?

Now, technically,

he licenses his podcast to Spotify, but he's

his own thing.

He does what he wants and he has his own platform.

And the point is,

you can create your own platform now.

You don't need these big places that are going to get intimidated by

whoever, FCC, the president.

You can get your content out in whatever way you want.

Like, I remember when I was leaving ESPN 10 years ago, and there was this perception, like, nobody could leave ESPN.

You had to have ESPN or else you were just going to wither and die, basically.

And now, 10 years later, that seems stupid.

It seems stupid to me that anybody would think Jimmy's next act isn't going to be really good.

And maybe, maybe it's a, maybe it's a point now with this show that you're doing it because you did it for a long time, because you have 200 people working for it, because, you know, the night-to-night rhythm of it, you still feel like it matters.

But if you don't think he's going to figure out another way to do content in an awesome way, like you just don't know the dude because he will.

He'll figure it out immediately and he's the most competitive person I know.

The biggest difference though,

so this is, this is from the Lauren Michaels book.

Lauren Michaels, who is very passionate over the years about how important SNL was just as a platform.

And rightfully so, because it's one of the most important shows that we've had on any platform for what it done for comedy and music and political satire, everything.

But he had this story and he's told it a few times, but it's in the Lauren Michaels book about the Smothers Brothers and how five years, four or five years after the show got canceled, he went to their comeback show at the Troubadour

and drunk John Lennon was in the audience and he was heckling them and calling them fuckers.

And

it was just kind of a dark night.

And it was one of those nights that really affected Michaels because he was like, these guys were on the top of the world five years ago and they stuck up for what they believed in.

And five years later, they don't have a TV show and they're getting heckled by drunk John Lennon.

And it's like, Jesus.

So this is what it's said in the book by Susan Morrison.

Michaels was horrified, and he thought about that evening

many times in the coming years, whenever he found himself in a difficult spot with the network, NBC.

I never got tempted by the idea of being a martyr, he said.

One of the things I taught myself is you have to stay in the air.

It's not worth it to blow yourself up for principal in a community that will sell you out.

He went on, I realized, okay, you can take it to the brink, but if you give up your power, you've done nobody any good.

He knew he didn't want to end up like Tom and Dick Smothers.

And I think that's totally justified.

And it was a great way for Lauren Michaels to think for his entire time he had SNO because

he's correct.

My point is in 2025, I don't know if you need to think that way anymore.

The platform isn't ABC.

It's not a late night show that Jimmy is lucky enough to host, even though he is lucky.

He can still have that platform wherever he wants because he's the platform and that's the difference in this and that's why i don't think this is quite as scary and terrible as maybe it felt this week um yeah we're gonna have censorship yeah

um

stupid like this apparently is going to keep happening for the next three years yeah it's the discourse is the ugliest it's ever been but I still feel like if if somebody's good enough to have a platform, they can find it.

So I hope Jimmy's show sticks around and I hope ABC sticks by him.

And I think if they don't, I think it would be pretty cowardly.

I don't think that's a crazy thing to say.

But if they don't stick by him and this is the end, I think he's going to be fine.

He'll find another platform somewhere and he'll figure out how to get all his content out in the right ways.

And I would not bet against that dude.

So

the situation sucked.

I kind of can't believe it didn't happen.

It had to be the lowest threshold ever.

for an overreaction like this.

But ultimately,

maybe the way everybody rallied around the show the last 24 hours and just rallied around the concept of free speech, maybe we needed it.

So stay tuned.

We're going to take a break, talk football.

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All right, recording this on a Thursday house.

We did not decide to wait until after the Miami Buffalo game to see what happened because I didn't really feel like that would be worth it for either of us.

Buffalo is a big favorite, and I'll I'll say something at the top for what happened in that game.

How are you feeling about the slate?

We're four and six in ringer 107.

I did okay

gambling-wise.

You know, the Raiders didn't help me out on Monday night, but for the most part, a lot of favorites covering.

We've had a lot of quarterbacks getting hurt already, including yours.

And the Packers are the big winners for the Juggernaut spot.

The Colts are the big winners for the, whoa, where'd these guys come from spot?

The Bears seem to be the giant disappointment team.

And then the Chiefs are the question mark of, is this the end of the era?

Which storyline are you the most interested in?

Honestly, the Chiefs, because I think that they

still have some chapters to write, and I still trust Mahomes and Reed.

And we just need to see them with a healthy, competent receiving core.

And it might be like a Eureka kind of experience because we didn't see it really at all the entirety of last season when they went 15-2 and made it all the way to the Super Bowl.

No, it might be one of those, it might be one of those tale of two cities seasons where like the first half of the year they look awful, and then all of a sudden by week 14, they're fine.

They don't even really look awful.

I mean, you know, the defense isn't as

locked down as it was at the end of last season thus far, but they also play the Chargers and the Eagles, who, you know, style-wise, pretty tough teams.

Yeah, compared to the Colts who went 2-0, 2-0, but the first one was against a Miami team that it feels like it's imploding.

And then the second win was against the Broncos where they lost the game and then there was a leverage penalty and all of a sudden they

did not lose the game.

Both of those at home, both of those Dan A.

Dimes and Shane Steichen in their bag, catching the league by surprise a little bit.

I mean, the Denver defense was the biggest disappointment in that game.

Yeah, the linebackers looking a little slow, not getting stops.

There's been

right at Sertain.

So, week three trends, um, this is usually a great betting week, and one that we've had success with over the years.

You usually see the uh 0-2 teams as dogs usually do well, the division home dogs, they usually do well.

Um, it's it's a good time to capitalize on some overreactions.

But what's interesting is

there's so much gambling data and analysis and everything that some of the games that I think 15 years ago would have just seemed like colts minus four and a half over the titans you're like oh the colts then the titans win in tennessee you're like oh my god i can't believe it now we have our radar up for all of these and it's harder and harder to find the inefficiencies but we're going to try we're going to go through the slate i have the stayaway group house which includes the chiefs who you just mentioned chiefs giants two 0-2 teams

It still feels like,

I feel like the Chiefs are just getting two extra points just because they're they're the Chiefs.

This line should probably be three and a half.

Yeah, and maybe we'd

mess with it if it was in that range, but I don't want to try and gamble on the Chiefs winning by margin and six is margin.

So I just don't feel like that.

And I don't really want to take the Giants against the Chiefs.

If the Chiefs were 2-0,

I feel like this would be a live one.

You'd be looking at this going, oh, let down game.

Giants go up early.

But I do, you know, the Giants pass rush against a pretty shaky offensive line for the Chiefs.

The lack of explosiveness for the Chiefs.

Chiefs don't run the ball, can't run the ball.

So, I mean, they're going to need something from Kareem Hunt.

If I had to pick a side, I'd pick the Giants, but I'm not touching that game.

I'm not touching your game either.

Washington's three and a half now over the Raiders.

They were three when we locked in the 107 picks.

Can't play it.

Don't know anything about the quarterback.

We'll know Sunday morning.

So after this, you're at Arizona, at Chargers.

We don't don't have must-wins in week three,

but I don't know if you want to lose this one with those next two coming in, a banged up quarterback.

Well, can't lose this one because of the condition in which the Raiders arrive, which is off that tough Monday night football game.

It was physical.

The Chargers beat the hell out of them.

Geno was backpedaling and throwing to the wrong team all game long.

So

you got to get this one if you're Washington and have hopes on a repeat visit to the playoffs.

I do like the idea of zagging after a bad Gino game on the Raiders.

If I had to pick a side, I'd probably pick the Raiders, but a stayaway for me.

The big thing for the Raiders, I just thought Bowers looked like a different guy on Monday night.

He's clearly hurt.

He wasn't explosive.

He was such like an X factor for them

that second half of last season.

And then in game one, then in game two, he just wasn't the same.

I thought that was a big reason why they looked like crap.

Next one that's a stayaway, Vikings, Bengals.

Vikings by three.

Jake Browning versus carson wentz i picked up jake browning in our guillotine league

some positive some positive offensive stats with him

minnesota minnesota's 32nd in epa for offense right now and and uh

do you think j mccarthy is actually hurt if you had to at gunpoint what do you think oh that's a great one you think he's gonna have his hour long they're gonna he he and coach o'connell they're having their hour long uh in coach o'connell's office they're back it's now a book club Thursday afternoon.

I have to go sit for my hour with Coach and go through the playbook.

I love this conspiracy action.

Why is this a cross-off for you?

I'm curious.

It doesn't have to be.

I just two backup quarterbacks.

I don't really want to back either of them.

The Bengals, I don't feel better about their defense or their offensive line than I did two weeks ago.

And I don't know what to make of Minnesota.

I can't believe how bad their offense is.

The three points is what is kind of capturing my fancy a little bit.

Like if it was Minnesota one and a half, just a standard home field advantage or two,

it's the Vikings at home.

That's the home field advantage.

But the Carson Wentz aspect to this is unbelievable to me.

I watched him.

He has no business being in the NFL in any capacity other than holding a clipboard and helping his guys, you know, maybe leading prayer circle after a game.

Oh, he could do a prayer circle.

He could do prayer.

He's going to be doing prayer circle.

You just do, you gather everyone in, and then you kneel and you say a prayer.

I definitely can do that.

He definitely can do that.

Anyway, so you want to mark this?

Should I put it in bold?

Just mark it for the possibility.

For a minute.

Just mark it for a minute.

Because it's not like

the Vikings defense has exactly wowed us in the first couple games.

Somehow the Bengals are 2-0.

And it feels like their season is over, but yet they're 2-0, and they're playing a team that could not move the ball against the Falcons last week, is now on the Carson Wentz stage of at least for the next two weeks.

All right, I'll move it in there.

Well, just for a second, I'm probably going to dispense with this.

I'm probably going to say, what are we doing?

Well, what'd you get my wild afore play?

I want to see what it feels like.

Why'd you plug it in if you're not going to use it?

One never knows.

Broncos, Chargers.

This is in L.A.

I think there are probably about 40,000 Denver fans here.

Denver coming off, just an awful loss.

Just awful loss for us, too.

It really hurt us in Ringer 107.

This line was three and it dropped to two and a half.

And when it dropped to two and a half, it became a no play for me.

I think these games, the Chargers looked really good against them last year.

Chargers look really solid in general.

I thought Geno had a lot of throws, especially in that second half that he just sailed or, you know, I didn't think that Chargers' defense was as good as it would look after the game.

You're like, oh, they only give up nine points.

I thought there were guys open.

Khalil Mack got hurt.

Denver coming off, really an ugly week one win and then an uglier week two loss.

This feels borderline kitchen sinky for me.

Do they want to go one and two, fall two behind the Chargers with the Chiefs looming as well?

Ultimately, I stay away from me, house.

I really want to petty bet the Chargers

to punish the Broncos because the Broncos invented ways to lose that football game, invented ways to not cover that football game.

They were at all three levels self-sabotaging offense, defense, and special teams.

Well, let's just add another one.

The coach, the dumbass coach, who on the 60-yard field goal attempt with a rookie.

Yeah, let's do, let's let's have the the block on because we're we're so concerned about this this kid in these circumstances come on man what are we doing and this is part of the thesis that that um coming into the season informed the confidence in the broncos we're all we all have exposure to the broncos because of this combination that's you know bo nix in his second year it's our fault he looks shaky as hell and Peyton is is, you know, somebody buy that man a cup of coffee so he can wake the F up.

And maybe he could share some of the play calling duties as well.

But the late interception by Knicks in that game, I just was wholly underwhelmed by the Broncos.

Dumb Dobbins penalty, dumb face mask penalty that sent them back, missed the field goal.

A lot of big dumb things, big dummy things.

The Chargers might be good, and I'm not willing to commit to it yet, but, you know, and I'm not breaking any news with that statement, but they really might be good.

They might be the third best team in the AFC.

But I think this is the week we find out if they are or not.

Okay, okay, okay.

I didn't like the way they finished that Raiders game at all.

And I know it's a middle call,

but yeah, they just.

The fourth down call with the jet sweep.

Come on.

What are you doing?

From the effing football.

I'll tell you another thing.

Not sure about Hampton,

who they spent a really high first-round pick on.

I think he was the 12th pick.

I liked it a little more when Najee Harris was in there.

Yeah, it felt a little more.

I mean, you know, Hampton did put the ball on the ground.

Najee Harris.

In an important moment.

moment, huh?

Not you.

Yeah.

Well, he had a little fireworks, Accident or whatever.

No.

No, no, I know.

I would lean Broncos, but it's a stayaway.

Lions Ravens.

I would rather, we're going to get to a parlay portion of this.

I'd rather talk about the Ravens in that section, but they're five and a half against Detroit.

Detroit looked awesome last week.

That was a.

Oh, Ben Johnson,

we heard our name in the streets,

kind of an impact game.

But I don't see their defense stopping the Ravens ever.

Now, I don't know if this could be a shootout, but I'm a little more interested in the Ravens than a money parlay, which I would like to discuss to you in a later category.

I will be all ears.

I don't want to mess around with the Vegas Own number,

especially the Ravens.

Van Noy is hurt.

Looks like he's out, and Marlon Humphrey is questionable.

Those guys matter to that Ravens defense.

So I'm fine with being cautious.

Okay.

Bears, Cowboys.

You know, I kind of like the Bears.

They're minus one and a half somehow against the Cowboys who cannot defend anyone.

They single-handedly rejuvenated Russell Wilson's career last week.

The Bears looked, you know, obviously awful against Detroit and their defense sucks too.

And this feels like it could be like a whoever has the ball last game.

It's more meaningful for the Bears, though, because they're 0-2

and they just got smacked by the lions and this is a our season is over if we can't beat this crappy dallas team um

so tell me one good thing about the bears tell me one thing that you've seen that's good from the chicago bears that's why i have to send the stayaways well here's the thing we have one good thing from dallas that offense is cooking yeah i i kind of love dallas this week i i think you know is that one of your picks it's sitting here right right on the sidelines i I have, you know, I have my little book here.

It's in the book.

I do have a, I'll try and make the case, but let's see if we, maybe we'll have consensus on five, but um, I think this, the, the Cowboys

are the side in that game.

I mean, I don't,

what proof is there that the Bears can score under any circumstances, even against this Dallas team?

The Dallas team, even with Micah out, they have been able to manage like kind of reasonable pressure.

They had

their pressure numbers are like in the middle.

No, I'm just saying.

It's not a joke.

Give up almost 40 points to the Giants.

Seahawks Saints,

it's up to seven and a half.

It is a lit.

Let's be careful out there.

I'm not sure the Seahawks should be favored by that much against anybody.

And I like the Seahawks.

I like their defense.

This seems to me like one of those where if you're going to bet the Seahawks, do an alt line, like minus 14.5, bet on the blowout.

In the old days, we would have teased the Seahawks against Spencer Radler with the 12th man.

I'm not ready to do that.

And this, I also think the Saints are a little better than, you know, that we have that, we did that fourth place bet where we had the Saints and the Browns and the Dolphins and Tennessee and felt really good about that.

And a big piece of that was Carolina being better than the Saints.

And I'm not sure they are.

And I think that's going to be one where we're going to have to hedge that one late in the season because as we get there, the Saints,

they're not awful.

They're not good no they're not they're not awful carolina's awful they're awful awful carolina i don't i don't want anything to do with that seattle um okay stains game that's full on stay with us and then last but not least is packers browns in cleveland

packers this line is just suspiciously only at seven and a half even though people think the packers are the best team in the league and the browns They played like two and three fourths, really good quarters against Baltimore, and then that game slipped away.

And And then the week before, they should have won against

who'd they play week one on Blanken?

The Bengals.

They should have beat the Bengals.

Their field goal kicker kicked the

touchdown.

Their defense might actually be good.

It's good.

It's a good defense.

So I wouldn't do this straight up.

I would consider a Packers

in a parlay just to win.

I want to be careful.

I think that Browns' defense,

it keeps them in the game.

They just keep defeating with stupid turnovers and special team mistakes at the wrong time.

They were in that game against the Ravens, and they should have won the game against the Bengals.

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One thing to note before we go to the possible is the Cowboys line flipped.

For Ringer 107, it was Bears minus one and a half.

But now, as we're taping this Thursday night, it's Cowboys favored by one and a half.

So, what do you think happened?

Was there another Caleb Williams hit piece that I missed?

No, no, I just think people looked at the matchup and loved the idea of the Cowboys as a dog.

The best unit in that game is the Cowboys offense.

That's still a three-point shift.

It's weird that we can't ever have a pick'em.

Pick'ems just never, it has to be, it has to get to one and a half.

It can't even get to minus one.

It's got to just, if it flips to one and a half, it just flips the other side.

Okay, possibles.

We already talked about

the Bengals.

You talked about the Cowboys.

Rams, Eagles,

Rams plus three and a half in Philly.

It feels like there's a lot of sharp sentiment heading toward this already

for a variety of reasons, namely that the Eagles' offenses look terrible.

the rams played them well last year people like watching the rams throw the ball they're good i mean these might be two of the four best teams in the nfc

there's a tush push

a lot of lot of stuff about how they were kind of cheating on the tush push on sunday and i wonder whether um

whether the refs are going to be really looking at that play a little more carefully um i wish this line was four and a half the three and a half makes me a little nervous but i still kind of like the rams yeah i'm on the side of the rams i i like the Rams here.

I think that their ability to rush for

and not have to necessarily get pressure and not blitz.

I like that.

I like the

idea of them taking away the run.

I think they can do it.

And, you know, Saquon isn't even averaging four yards a rush yet.

I'm not worried about him yet.

You're not.

I mean, we're also not really worried about Hurts.

He has two passes.

i'm more worried about him well two passes a season of 10 yards or more two games two passes of 10 yards or more i don't understand why they're not airing the ball out with him i did i watched his uh

they they miked him there's like a 14 minute jalen hurts mic which i watched all of it's really fun at the end when he gets mad at chris jones when they're like they're like kneeling to end the game and

formation chris jones like these motherfuckers don't even have 100 yards and he's like we won hurts like we won the damn game or whatever it was.

I was like, all right, this is why we like the players.

I like that.

They enjoyed it.

Yeah.

So I guess the bigger question for me is, are the Rams actually good?

Because if they win in Philly in week three, that is a statement that they're actually going to be heard from in the NFC this year.

And that we have Packers one,

Eagles have to be two, and then the Rams are like right there.

Maybe the Lions.

I don't see anyone in the NFC West really that can make a case yet, but this would other than the Rams.

So, this would be a real statement for them.

Kind of like Atlanta, too, but let's see them for a few more weeks.

Um,

the big thing for the Eagles is um, Dallas Goddard.

So, like, if you're going to be kind of an apologist about how they performed against the Chiefs, Chiefs have good defense, defense that took them to the Super Bowl.

Um, no doubt Dallas Goddard.

Goddard, I think, is supposed to be back.

That's that's the idea.

So, maybe a little bit of the multiplicity on has he ever been 100% in the last 10 years?

Is there ever a report Dallas Goddard?

is feeling great?

He was good against Washington in the NFC Championship game.

Dallas Goddard has tried and pulled out his.

He's really good at stuff.

Speaking of the NFC West, Niners cards, inner division, Niners home.

They're laying two and a half.

I love the Niners in this one.

I think this is going to be one of the five for me.

And it's not even a team I love that much,

and especially with Mac Jones, Purdy might play.

But the Cardinals, the deep back situation for them is

so abysmal.

They've lost so many guys.

They're down to like backups to the backups.

And I just think this line should be higher.

I don't even care who the Niners quarterback is.

This is just like a

Shanahan run the ball, play action, couple deep throws.

In the game in tidy fashion, that's it.

And it looks like the Niners with that Williams, the rookie they have on the D-line, who has been impactful for them.

Yeah,

but potential defensive rookie of the year.

I'm not impressed by the cards at all.

Like they've held on for dear life for two weeks in a row.

And, and I just find it hard to believe they're going to go 3-0 is another piece of this, right?

The cards are going to be a lot of fun.

We don't have to lay anything.

It's the Niners.

Put it in the book.

It's a lock.

It's in our 107 Niners.

Lay it.

All right.

I like it too.

How are you feeling about Jags Texans?

I've gone both ways on this one.

Jaguars at home, favored by one and a half.

Lots of storylines.

lots of Brian Thomas Jr.

drama,

lots of what's going on with Travis Hunter stuff.

This, the Jags, kudos to them.

They've generated a lot of content through a couple of weeks.

There was a great Reddit post on the Jaguars Reddit about how Trevor Lawrence doesn't actually throw hospital balls with all this data.

I was like, it's a pretty compelling case.

Maybe my eyes have been to CBB.

He's also not accurate.

I mean, there is that.

He may not be throwing hospital balls, but he's certainly not accurate.

They're definitely

the Trevor Lawrence hive is pretty funny.

We're like, if not for those drops, he would have had four touchdowns.

And, you know, it's like, all right.

Yeah.

Cool.

Do you feel good when he's inside the 10-yard line?

Because I don't.

Well, part of the thing, too.

God damn it, Jags.

Like you have the coach.

Like Diami Brown is out there.

I watched him for Washington.

It was an absolute good riddance.

And Lawrence hits him dead in the hands for a touchdown that, you know should have helped put the game away and dope drops it as always i mean i i really had enough of him in washington good luck in in jacksonville which way were you leaning on this game i'm curious i'm leaning jags and there's a couple reasons for it um i think their defense i think they're they they actually have like a pass rush and defensive pressure i think they're all right um they picked browning three times

he

it was one of those where the the vibe of the game was just off and the Scincy kind of stole it, but I didn't mind how they played.

I think they have playmakers.

They have this backup running back, Tutin,

who I think might be legitimately good.

And I wonder if this is the week they unleash him.

And also, they had a big microscope on them this week.

And Brian Thomas Jr.

had a big microscope.

He's very polarizing right now for dogging on routes and stuff.

And

so, so from a Jaguar side, it's like, all right, if you guys have anything in you, this is the week.

And then on a Houston side,

they can't block.

We've watched them two weeks in a row.

Two years.

Especially like they had two really visible games this

can't block.

Nick Chubb actually broke a couple runs, but I don't trust that piece.

And I don't think CJ Stroud's look good at all.

And really, for the last year plus, he hasn't looked like the guy he was as a rookie.

I just don't think they have it.

I don't think, I don't know who's going to win that division, but I just don't think it's going to be Houston.

And I think the Jaguars have just as much talent with them.

So them being home, minus one and a half, Florida outdoors, maybe there'll be some hot weather.

If the Jags can't win this game, come on.

The case for Houston is they are 6-0 over the last, since 2018 in Jacksonville and 4-1-1 against the spreads.

So they feel like they own the Jags.

And C.J.

Stroud has had some good games against the Jags.

Now, this is a different iteration of the Jags and a different iteration of Houston, especially their run defense.

You can run the football.

We watched Tampa run it right down their throats.

I mean, you know,

they had some creative movement stuff with Bucky Irving, and I don't see why that's not replicable.

for the Jaguars.

And I mean, I like the idea of Liam Cohen in his bag a little bit, but I don't know how the Texans solve their rush defense issue but if it if the jags can establish the run then i think you're on the right side yeah the counter if you were going for houston is they've only given up 28 points in two weeks

they dropped or had a chance to have multiple turnovers on the defensive side that they didn't get did you say that stat baker has he could have like six picks he's zero oh yeah it's like six dropped or whatever yes yes um

But I just don't like the vibe of that team.

They have two guys who can rush a passer, and they have a very good secondary.

But that same very good secondary got lit down the stretch by Baker when he had to go leak the field.

They were up five with two minutes left.

If you have a good defense, you gotta

finish, and they didn't.

That's right.

And

I don't know.

I've watched this Jacksonville team.

I've watched a lot of them the last two weeks, and I think they can move the ball.

Like for real.

Against Carolina, it was really sloppy and disjointed.

They still got to 26 points.

They left a lot of stuff on the table, but there was, you could see the potential of it.

And then they put up 27 against Sitzi, and it really should have been like 40

because they got inside the 10 twice, two other times, plus the 27.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

as crazy as it sounds, I kind of like the Jacks.

I don't think it's that crazy.

We're just, you know, the trend is to

not take the team.

You know, the 0-2 team is supposed to be the side, but it's a tiny line.

I think it's lined perfectly.

Pat Steelers.

Pats are plus one and a half in this game against Pittsburgh.

The defensive stats, the advanced stuff for Pittsburgh is even worse than it looked like from an eye test standpoint.

Like, they basically can't tackle.

They had 18.2% missed tackle rate according to next-gen stats.

Not to mention,

they've had some High Smith is out of this game.

Right.

Looks like Joey Porter is probably going to be out.

The defense dating back to last year when they really started to tail off those last four or five games.

And then heading into this year, the Jets lit them up and then couldn't do anything a week later.

I think the Pats could cook in this game.

The Pats looked good last week against the Dolphins.

Like their offense was moving the ball and doing

a lot of good things.

I think they've kind of rejuvenated Ramondre.

The left side of the lion is actually able to block now.

They have multiple receivers who can at least get open on a third and seven.

And I like the spot for them.

I also think the Pats have a real pass rush this year.

This Milton Williams they signed, he's been awesome.

I think he's the number one ranked defensive lineman through two weeks, but he's been like really, really, really disruptive.

And that's how you beat Pittsburgh.

You got to disrupt Rodgers, pressure him, get in there.

And I think this Steelers season is about to do this.

And that's the case for Pats plus one and a half.

This is going to to be one of my two for our five.

What is your

current information on the availability of Christian Gonzalez?

That's the most important thing.

Practice.

I have no idea if he's going to play.

And I like them either way.

Okay.

Well, I can give a throaty endorsement if Christian Gonzalez is involved because I really love him locking down one side of the first offfield.

Yeah, well, especially with the pressure putting on, you know

what are you talking about

oh i have to make sure we'll do it so the case for pittsburgh is they won in week one and week two came down to that dumbass not understanding the kickoff role that swung the game i thought uh

i actually just thought seattle outplayed them and and basically darnold had two bad passes that they picked and seattle still won by 14, which is, I think, a really bad sign for them.

They're playing Minnesota and Cleveland after this for the next two.

And then they're at Cincinnati, home Green Bay, home Indianapolis at the Chargers.

And, you know, that's nine games.

I think this is, this feels like they could be like three and six after nine games.

This could really be the year we're like, oh, I guess Tomlin can't win 10 games every year.

Well, if that's the case,

this is one of the games that they lose, if that's the case.

Well, I'll tell you this.

If the Pats win this, and then they have Carolina next week,

that's three and one.

At Buffalo, week five, three and two.

That's three and two.

At New Orleans, at Tennessee, home, Cleveland, the next three

could they literally could be five and three without us having any idea if they're even decent.

But this was the case for them going nine and eight.

Their schedule was terrible.

And if Pittsburgh's not going to be good, that really helps the case for like the schedule might create a nine and eight team.

Not to mention, the Jets in Miami really should be four wins for them potentially, right?

Yeah.

They're division games.

They're tough games.

I mean, Miami damn near won that game in Miami.

The punt return should have been a clinching.

I should have won that game in the first half, though.

Speaking of the AFCs, the Jets are six and a half

in Tampa.

Tyrod Taylor is playing, which I like.

I know higher higher floor than Justin Fields, probably a lower ceiling.

Tampa is just demolished on the offensive line, like to a dangerous level.

It's really bad.

And I don't think Wurst is playing this week.

And

they lost two other starters.

And I feel like this line's too high.

That this is an overreaction to Buffalo spanking the Jets last week.

Six and a half is too many points.

This should be a four and a half point line.

Totally agree with every aspect of that.

Do we dare bet against Baker Mayfield?

I mean, part of the thing.

I don't want to bet the Jets.

I don't want to bet the Jets either.

They killed us last week.

Yeah.

That game, we bet that.

I talked about on Sunday, that should be an alert from Fandel where they alert you that you bet on Justin Fields against Josh Allen.

We learned our lesson, but I think this line's too high.

It's too high.

I don't want to bet it.

I just can't get there.

All right.

Last one is Titans, Colts.

Titans are a classic sharp pick.

Colts' pass rush has been bad.

Titans' offensive line, multiple injuries.

Latham might be out, and I think

Zeitler might be out too.

Colts should be one-on-one.

Colts on grass, Colts outdoors, Colts with a lot of smoke getting blown up their ass all week.

It has all the makings.

And I actually like

the Titans' receivers.

That rookie they have, the fourth rounder, I think it's good.

I picked him up in one of my leagues and Ridley, and I don't know.

yeah it's good four and a half seems like a point and a half too high i thought this should have been colts minus three no argument whatsoever will not under any circumstances bet on the titans just won't do it just will not do it as long as that moron is the head coach never betting the titans you you know it could have been colts by 10 just not doing it he fixed the special teams special teams are well they hired a special teams coach uh fossils good yeah they realized that special teams were one of the three parts of football congrats

all right parlay possibilities

the falcons money line

against the panthers i want to put the falcons money line with something because i actually like the falcons i think they're good me too you could also talk me into falcons minus five and a half but i would rather money line them with something i don't want to mess with that that's too dumb it's in carolina right they should win it has another one that has all the makings You're going against an 0-2 team, but I think Carolina is genuinely bad.

And they threw everyone off the scent because they got two touchdowns in garbage time against Arizona.

All of a sudden, they got an onside kick.

That game wasn't close for two and a half hours.

No interest in betting on the Panthers.

Don't care what the numbers are.

Can't do it.

So we have the Falcons minus five and a half.

I'm sorry, minus 250.

We could put it with the Ravens money line.

Ravens against Detroit.

Ravens money line, we could bring the Falcons line to plus two and a half, all to just on FanDuel.

And that is minus 112.

And that fits.

That fits in

our little parlay spot.

Ravens money line, Falcons plus two and a half.

It's minus 112.

Is there any scenario under which Detroit with Goff?

It's an outdoor game.

It's in Baltimore.

It's a Monday night game.

Yeah.

Campbell gets them revved up.

Van Noy out.

Is there any way they can keep up scoring-wise with the Ravens?

There certainly is.

Do you have another suggestion for us?

Money line-wise?

Yeah.

So we agree the Falcons, in principle, should be in this.

Yes, we do.

We definitely agree.

So could I, what if I offered you, if I could take the Falcons down to two and a half,

minus two and a half with the Packers in Cleveland?

Do you think that the Chiefs are going to start season 0-3

with a loss against the Giants?

You really want to back the Chiefs?

Just on the money line, just to win.

All right, let me look at...

Oh, man.

It's the best defense the Giants will have faced by quite a bit, honestly.

I can't believe you're doing that.

The Giants played Washington and they played the Cowboys in the first two weeks.

I can't believe you're talking us into this.

Oh, that's minus 103.

Well, tell me no.

It's fine.

I mean, I like that.

I like your logic.

Let's throw all common sense out.

Are the Chiefs going three?

Is Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes going to go into Giants Stadium and lose to Russell Wilson and

your boy Dayball?

How about that?

Are the Giants going 0-3?

Sure.

Sure, they are.

That was a good one.

I enjoyed it.

All right.

So that's what you want to do?

Give me, what's your favorite pick?

Let's do Ring of 107.

Oh, my pick for that?

Yeah, give me your favorite.

We covered it.

I mean, we've already included.

I know we covered it, but let's hear it because I bowled at a bunch of games.

What do you got?

I love the 49ers.

That's my favorite pick by far of the entire week.

I think the cards are fraudulent.

And this is, you know, it's not like the 49ers are, you know, gangbusters, but I think it's just a nice, orderly, tidy win for them.

We could also put the Seahawks in.

Like, laying the seven and a half against the Saints is ridiculous, but Spencer Rattler is going to go into Seattle and win his first game straight up as a starter.

Are you talking about putting them instead of the Chiefs?

Yes, yes.

I'm just offering other alternatives to you.

Do you think that the Saints now, the Saints' defense has been, you know,

decent, not horrible.

Do I think the Saints are going to win in Seattle?

No.

Do you think the Chiefs?

Do you right?

Okay.

Am I worried about the Chiefs in Giants Stadium?

Yes.

Okay.

I am a little worried.

Well, we could do an alt line,

an alternate spread to get this down.

We could do Seattle to like one and a half, right?

And that will get us to where we need to go.

Yeah.

Yes.

Atlanta money line, Seattle.

Minus one and a half is exactly minus 120.

Fine.

So we could do that instead of the Chiefs.

Fine.

Okay.

I'm convinced.

I'm surprised you're worried about the Chiefs, but it's fine.

I am worried about it.

You don't think I should be worried about the Chiefs?

Well, I mean, against the spread is one thing.

It's a whole nother thing about them, you know, they can't lose to the Giants this week.

That really hurts their season.

All right.

You want to do the Chiefs?

That's fine.

I think you're right.

It'll be more fun, too, if they lose and we can be like, oh, my God, I can't believe we took the Chiefs.

So you have the 49.

49ers.

I didn't say that.

Oh my God, we took the Chiefs.

Like, well, you know, it's funny that we're debating it.

Well, it's pretty, it's a pretty sad statement on their season.

I have the Pats.

Are we throwing the Jags in here?

I'm convinced.

I like it.

So our fifth one,

we can do,

you like the Cowboys, the Rams.

The, you don't want to do Titans or Jets?

No, can't.

Bengals.

Bengals plus three.

I love the Bengals plus three, but you know, then we look at ourselves in the mirror and say we bet on Browning on the road.

Like, what do we

have Browning against Brian Flores?

Right.

He has beat Flores before.

Browning has.

Are we sure the Eagles don't have a little

people aren't giving us

enough credit?

Yeah, I don't know.

We have to leave SmackDown kind of stuff.

I'm fine with leaving them alone.

I kind of don't really want to, I don't feel super um convinced that we should mess with them even though i think the rams are the right side i kind of don't want to mess with that one well we're running out of teams

because then that leaves the seahawks

nope that that leaves we could do something with the cowboys and the over

we're what we're doing totals Well, I mean, if we wanted to use our parlay for that, or we could just do the Cowboys minus one and a half.

I'm fine with the Cowboys minus one and a half.

I mean, I think this Bears team, their whole secondary is out.

Like, half of them are out for the season.

And like I asked you earlier, Nate, tell me one thing that you've seen out of the Bears.

They can't run the ball.

One good touchdown against the Vikings in week one, you know, to start the game.

The dramatic, stark difference between the first series of the game for the Bears and what

Caleb Williams' numbers are after his completion percentage is through the roof, the efficacy, you know, all of the EPA stuff for him.

First series of each game has been on point, and then that's it.

He's barely a 50% accurate thrower of the football.

All right, you know what?

Here's what we're going to do.

We're making the Cowboys your pick, and we'll make the 49ers a joint pick.

Okay, good.

And then I'll take the Pats and the Jags, and then we'll agree on Falcons Chiefs together.

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Ringer 107, four and six after two weeks.

The picks.

House loves the Cowboys in Chicago.

The case being, I haven't seen one thing I like from the Chicago Bears.

Fair enough.

Dallas could throw the ball.

Dallas has, this is one of the great kicker mismatches, too, where we have Aubrey on one hand, the greatest kicker of all time, which with this new kickoff role, it's like they're guaranteed three points every time they get the ball.

And then God only knows who's kicking for the Bears this week.

So, Cowboys minus one and a half in Chicago, grabbing that.

We are grabbing the Jags minus one and a half at home against Houston.

They've been a soap opera all this week.

I think it actually helps them.

This feels a little bit of a kitchen-sinky type game for them, and I'm not a believer in Houston at all.

All right, then we have the Pats plus one and a half at home.

They're a home dog against 42-year-old Aaron Rodgers, who has been bad anytime he's pressured, against a Steelers defense and especially a run defense that has looked pretty abysmal.

They're missing dudes.

They're missing High Smith, probably Joey Porter.

They weren't 100% healthy to begin with.

TJ Watts on a milk carton at this point.

Left side of the Pats line looking better.

Look out for Trayvion Henderson in this game.

I liked how the Pats.

Something's happening with them offensively.

We've seen Drake May when he actually gets protection.

There's something pretty good in there.

So, Pats plus one and a half.

It's not a homer pick.

I picked the Pats to have the worst record in the league last year.

I actually think the Pats might be pretty frisky for the next couple of weeks.

49ers minus two and a half.

We don't even know who the quarterback is.

Is it Brock Clay?

It doesn't matter.

Is it Mac Jack?

It doesn't matter.

I don't think I've been there.

We've seen enough of the Cardinals.

I've seen it.

Yeah, we've seen enough of the Cardinals.

We've seen enough of their backups to the backups, debacs.

So 49ers minus two and a half.

And last but not least, we're doing a little parlay money line.

The Atlanta Falcons, we believe, will absolutely positively win in Carolina.

This is a game in week 16.

I'd be nervous about it, not week three.

I just need too many weapons.

And Carolina is terrible.

I think Carolina is the worst team in the league.

And then House really wanted to put the Chiefs in here.

I'll take it.

I do.

I'll own it.

I really want to put the Chiefs in here.

Yes, I do.

Got it.

Andy Reid versus Brian Dayball.

Patrick Mahomes versus Russell Wilson.

Yes.

The Chiefs cannot go 0-3.

That was another thing you said.

Maybe even a little kitchen sinky for the Chiefs, not wanting to go 0-3, heading into,

you know, this is like one of the easiest games in their schedule.

So that will be our Ringer 107 for week three.

Hopefully we can get over 500.

All right.

That was today's Ringer 107.

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House, how are you feeling about the Clippers situation?

It seems like it's now 50-50 whether the

other owners want to punish them.

It feels like the vibe's coming out.

And it also is the case for sure that Silver seems fine with this lingering over the league into the season.

It looks like he's going to

take his time.

Yeah, and I think he wants to do this correctly.

He's not going to rush to judgment because people on NBA Reddit are upset he hasn't decided what to do yet.

I think this is going to take a while, but I don't think he's stalling.

I think he's going to do a real-ass investigation and try to figure out what happened so he can punish them correctly.

It looks like the timeline is sufficiently in advance of the all-star game so that if the punishment includes taking away the all-star game from the Clippers,

they could give it to the Lakers, of all things, still keep it in L.A.

Everybody's already got their travel plans to L.A., but that would be one of the ways to punish the Clippers.

That would punish the people going to the All-Star game because Staples Center sucks,

whatever it's called, crypto.

It's like a double A arena compared to Intuit.

I'm just saying.

Timeline-wise, it seems like that's sort of roughly it, right?

If you give the law firm until mid-January, if part of the punishment for Ballmer includes that,

too much smoke.

Oh, I agree with this.

I still don't know what happened, and I still want all the facts to come out, but there's just too many payments right around time when Kawhi needed a payment and

not looking good for the clips.

What did you think of my theory?

Like one of the things with the punishment should be they should just move to Seattle and call it quits.

Just like we tried since 1984, we've been trying.

We're just, it's obviously just never going to work here.

And we're just going to start over in Seattle and we'll leave the Intuit.

We'll sell it to the Lakers.

Balmer would have to, so they sell Intuit to the Lakers.

The Lakers get to play an Intuit and Balmer has to build a brand new Intuit in Seattle.

That's

the Seattle start.

Yeah, that's his punishment.

You have to build a new arena.

In Seattle, you have to build the Aspiration Dome in Seattle

with trees, with fake trees everywhere.

Aspiration 2.0.

Carbon trees.

Yes.

Trees.

I knit.

He's fine with Seattle.

I mean, you know, the whole Microsoft thing, it all makes sense.

You could be a kind of hero.

You take a villain and turn him into a hero.

That's,

I was thinking, I mean, I'm not the first person to make this point, but

this Kawhi, the entire thing of going into business with this dude, all the stuff it costs them, all the players and the draft picks, plus this scandal, it has to be the most damaging transaction in the history of the league.

I don't even think you could compare it to anything.

Wow.

The most

worst transaction in the history.

It's already retroactively one of the worst trades of all time.

It's not worse than Luca.

It's not worse than Luca.

They came up with Cooper Flag.

It's not worth it.

They didn't get Cooper Flag.

But

in a roundabout way, at least somewhat worked out.

Would you trade Anthony Davis?

Not at all.

All right, just forget all the dumb reasons behind the trade.

Would you trade Anthony Davis and Cooper Flag for Luca?

Fuck no.

No.

How strongly?

All right, what if I threw Max Christian?

Fuck no.

What if I threw Max Christian?

Have you bet on the NBP?

Oh, you can't bet on MVP.

Luca, I got him at seven to one this summer.

I'm loving that ticket.

Luca is going to win the goddamn MVP this season.

That's what it is.

I don't think it is that anymore.

I got it this summer.

He looked great in that Euro thing.

I'm looking right now.

Hold on.

Awards.

Unbelievably, I've not looked at this.

SGA plus 150, Jokic plus 350, Lukadena plus 380.

See, yeah, great, great price for me.

I'm happy.

Closing line value.

I can put the ticket in a frame and say, oh, I had a back win.

The best odds are Giannis at 12 to 1.

Bucks in a week conference on the Knicks?

No, just Bucks in a week conference, him putting up like a 32, 12, and 6, like single-handedly dragging them to a three-seed.

I know it's only September 19th.

It's only 18th.

Two MVPs, two in a row.

That's it.

People will be fine with us waiting a month to talk about the NBA.

But I just want to ask you, who do you think is the second best team in the East?

I think it's Cavs, Knicks, in whatever order you want drop-off.

Okay.

Isn't that the correct answer?

Or do you think it is?

I like the Knicks better than I like the Cavs this season.

The answer to me is the Cavs, but I just wondered if you had a wild card.

Fanduel has Cavs to win the East plus 230, Knicks plus 320, and then it goes Orlando plus 550, Hawks nine to one.

Those Hawks odds, we were on that.

Remember when it was like 17 to 1 or 18 to 1 for them to win the East?

Yeah.

Detroit.

I mean, the funniest thing is

after you get past Orlando, then you immediately go into the Atlanta, Detroit, Milwaukee territory, but then somehow Philly is in there at 14 to 1.

Like they have any chance.

I did enjoy Skinny and Bede, though.

Did you see Skinny and Bi?

No, I haven't.

I haven't.

oh he he my timeline right now is great i'm thrilled good best of luck i wish him the best of luck you seem a little dubious um

yeah i would say cleveland knicks and then what's interesting with the west

the lakers still have the fourth best odds and the quippers still have the fifth best odds even though we don't know if there's going to be like god only knows like what if kawaii's contract just gets voided no they're not doing that minnesota has the sixth best odds at 12 to 1 which i do not fundamentally understand.

Minnesota, to me, is either the third or the fourth best team.

They have to be.

It's either them or Houston in the three spot.

No, that's right.

There's no question.

How do the Lakers have better odds than Minnesota?

The market.

That's all.

The dumb Laker enthusiasm.

Dallas.

Definitely

didn't get exciting for you at all?

No.

No.

San Antonio 30 to 1, nothing?

No.

D'Angelo Russell's playing guard for the Mavericks.

Come on.

I was going to actually start NBA homework next week.

I've done nothing.

I'm in the same boat.

I haven't done anything either.

But yeah, we're like within

five weeks of the season now.

Yeah.

All right, house.

Happy gaming this week.

Good to see you.

I'll see you on the Ringer Gambling show on Monday and on this pod in a week.

Good to see you.

Can't wait.

All right, that's it for the podcast.

Thanks, Joe House.

Thanks to Gahal and Eduardo as well.

I'm going to be back on Sunday night with cousin Sal.

And you can see me on the Prestige TV podcast on Sunday night talking about task episode three

as well.

And new rewatchables coming Monday airplane.

So that is the schedule.

Enjoy the weekend.

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