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All right, OKC versus Houston was the first game tonight.

It was on NBC, so was Warriors-Lakers, which is happening right now as I'm recording this because I'm recording after the Houston game.

Listen, we've seen a million Warriors games.

We've seen the Lakers without LeBron.

We know what we're getting from that game.

We did not know what we were getting from OKC Houston.

And what we got was an absolute masterpiece, double overtime.

Houston had chances in regulation.

OKC.

tied it with two seconds left.

SGA just went into MVP kick-ass mode down the stretch there.

OKC and OT had big leads, started missing threes, missed a cruso dunk.

Houston comes back.

Tied game.

KD does the Chris Weber timeout.

They don't call it.

We go into double OT.

And then

SJA just kind of took over.

And then all of a sudden he didn't because Shangoon hit this runner and Houston was up.

And then the last possession of the game, SJA on the side, KD guarding him.

And he does like this triple spin thing, gets KD to foul, makes both free throws.

And OKC wins the game.

And we're about to break it down on a very special segment.

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And as the NBA season starts, one of the big questions I had was: what's up with this Houston team?

They don't have point guard.

They have all this size.

Who is going to be the guy they go to at the end of games?

Well,

this game, they lost.

They lost in double OT, but it felt like a win for them.

I went under for them on the 52 and a half.

And the first thing I want to do out of my six-pack,

I felt like Houston, I know Jalen Williams wasn't in there.

You have to mention that.

There was no Jalen Williams.

It was basically only SGA controlling the ball

in the fourth quarter and both overtimes.

But

the piece that I thought stood out to me, I was like, you know, I've gotten into the UFC the last seven, eight years.

And sometimes it'll be two takedown artists going against each other.

And it becomes a battle of who is actually better at this one thing right so you have okc you know they want chaos they want disorder and they want everything to kind of run through sg at the end of the games but they just want this chaotic they're pressing they're all over the place defense athleticism and then houston's basically going yeah we like that too but we're just going to field this giant team of guys their starting lineup average six foot ten they had size they had defense they had power um

and the rebounds and they at one point they were like plus 12 in in rebounds

But they were basically like, we're going to try to do what you guys do, except we're much bigger and we have some really goofy one-on-one stuff we can do beyond what you guys have with SGA and Jalen Williams when he comes back.

So they're, they're, they have, I'm in Thompson at the top, just trying to beat people off the dribble.

They have KD, obviously.

Jabbar Smith, who I thought looked really good.

And then Shangoon, who was one of the big sleepers heading into the season with the Eurobasket,

where he just was awesome.

And it was a real question of where do we put this guy?

Well,

he was, he was toe-to-toe with everything.

And I think, you know, I don't want to overreact after one game.

And I'm trying, I'm really trying hard not to, I've taken a lot of overreaction medication, just trying to chill out and watch these games and not think too much.

But I really wanted to see over everything else with this first batch of games,

what is Houston going to look like without a point guard?

Can they do this?

Can they take turns just bringing the ball up?

Can they get into their offense?

And the answer is they could.

I thought Thompson looked like he went up a level.

Of Of course, he gave so much on offense and on defense, guarding Shay, running a lot of plays, getting to the basket.

He was the crunch time guy at the end of regulation, over and over again, getting to the rim.

And then his body gave out and he had cramps and they wisely sat him for the rest of the game, which I think was a good move.

But

he went up a level.

Shangun went up a level.

Jabari went up a level.

There's going to be games where,

you know, teams just pressure them, try to put miles on them, try to make it hard for for them to get in their offense.

We saw it a bunch of times in this one, especially with Reed Shepherd, who we'll go into in a second.

But they convinced me tonight that they just bring so many things to the table that this one glaring flaw they have, I think guards matter.

I don't think that's a hot take.

We see this over and over again, especially on the road.

Somebody has settled on offense, somebody run pick and roll, somebody guard the best guard in the other team.

There's a million reasons why we are not going to have a championship team that just doesn't doesn't have a guard.

You're always going to need one.

But Houston's like, we're going to patch this together and

this might just work for us.

And tonight, I really thought I thought their ceiling was a little higher than maybe I was anticipating.

I think the over-under was 52 and a half.

After what I saw tonight, you know, it's a little bit health dependent with KD, but man, with the Shangoon and Thompson both going up a level, which they clearly did, that was my first takeaway is like, I'm taking this team more seriously than I did 48 hours ago.

And I think you look at the West, I had OKC and Denver at the top.

I had Minnesota and the Clippers right underneath them.

And then Houston there,

probably in that five spot, but then San Antonio is kind of lurking.

And then you have Dallas.

And

there's another West team.

I'm just Golden State.

So it was just a question of who is going.

who is going to actually go up a level.

And I didn't think Houston could do it without Van Bleep, but maybe they can.

So I'm, I'm at least like,

I'm at least inviting the possibility that this might be a mid-50s win team.

So that's that's my first takeaway.

I've just changed mentally where I had this team in my head.

Second one, you had Chet, you had Ahmed Thompson, you had Shangoon in this game today.

And Chet had the big first quarter

and, of course, fouled out, but looked like the healthy version of what we were seeing down the stretch last year.

And I had him as a top 20 guy.

So top nine, Joker, SGA, Giannis, Luca, Wemby, Ant, and then Mitchell, Brunson, Curry.

That's got to be your top nine in some order.

The next group had Cade and J-Dub and AD and Paolo and KD and Booker and Towns and Chet

in

some order, right?

And the question for Chet is, and I probably have Chet high.

I don't even think some people would have him 18, but the question for Chet is, can he start climbing up that ladder?

I had Thompson in the high 20s and I had Shangun in the hot 20s when we did our ringer 100.

The Shangun thing, I already am revising in my head because he looked like a top 20 guy tonight.

Okissi was trying all kinds of different things, especially like they settled on just Caruso just planting himself right in his chest.

And Shangun figured out all these different ways to exploit that.

And on top of that, he had five threes.

If he went up a level and Thompson went up a level, I just think they have to be considered a real contender, regardless of the Van Buit thing.

And they can always fix that at the trade deadline.

Chet, we'll see.

Did some good stuff, but I thought the big winners of today, Thompson's two-way stuff, the stuff he did against SGA for three quarters was ridiculous.

And then, and the fact that he was getting his offense a little more, that started last year, him trying to get into the basket.

But all right, that's enough nerdy basketball stuff for you.

Next thing on the six-pack, Reed Shepard.

So we were thinking maybe this guy was going to be the next Mark Price.

Look, it's one bad game, and he's going against probably the worst possible team for him to play, right?

He's the opening night.

It's NBC.

He's going against SGA.

He's going against Dort and Caruso and Kayson Wallace.

Like, this is a nightmare team with some pressure on him.

And they need him because he's the only actual guard who can get them into their offense, who can run little pick and rolls for them, who can beat guys off the dribble and kick back out and things like that.

He was awful.

And we were thinking that maybe he could be the next Mark Price.

He looked like Brent Price today.

And I actually was texting House about how I can't wait to see Reed Shepherd on the Wizards.

And he's like, we had him.

He was Brent Price.

They need him to be,

needless to say, way better than he was today because they actually need him.

They need some sort of point guard.

And if it's not him,

they're going to have to go trade for somebody and make some moves.

But he was relentlessly targeted on defense.

He

just got, I thought, demolished by Wallace in a couple points this game.

He would get heat checky sometimes and it was inappropriate

because it was both he was playing terrible, but also had a lot of confidence, which I didn't mind, but it just, it was really rough.

He's the guy to watch on this team.

I feel good about everything else that they have.

We'll see with KD at age 37 how he ages over the course of the year, how many games he misses.

But I think Shepard, these first 20 games, can they build him up?

Can they shade him more toward Mark Price and less toward Brent Price would be the thing I want to watch.

I can't imagine the way he looked tonight.

That can't be somebody you rely on in a playoff series, I don't think.

So that is my third take for the six-pack.

The fourth one, the NBA and NBC.

We were back.

It was a great day around Round Ball Rock.

It was a, it was a kindler, gentler.

happier coverage of the NBA, of the National Basketball Association, just pleasant, very reminiscent of their Sunday Night Football in America, which is just basically a big love letter to the NFL.

And this is something that I think was very important to the NBA as they went into these meteorites things where you had the, you know, the TNT guys really critical, which I support, but really critical of

the league the last couple of years.

And then the ESPN guys,

you know, I don't, we don't have to talk about ESPN, the kind of first takeization of how they treat the NBA.

So the NBC was just like a pleasant hang with a song that we like.

And what's interesting is Round Ball Rock was underrated, then it became properly rated.

And then over the last year, when NBC got basketball, I was like, oh, my God, we're going to get Round Ball Rock back.

And it actually became overrated.

It was like, all right, Round Ball Rock's fine.

It's not like this amazing.

We don't have to talk about it all the time.

And then it started and it was like, this is the best.

I love it.

I love Round Ball Rock.

It was great to have back.

Good to have Mike Tarico back calling basketball.

I thought Jamal Crawford was fine.

Like the thing I liked about him in a three-man booth, you need somebody to kind of lay out and

not try to get off too many shots.

And I thought he found a nice little balance and actually had some decent points.

And then Reggie Miller was Reggie Miller.

He did have his first argument with himself.

in overtime so that was the official start of the season he thought jabar smith traveled and moved his pivot foot And then they showed the replay.

He's like, he moved his pivot foot.

And then they show it and he didn't.

He's like, he didn't move his pivot foot.

I think he invented that.

The self-argument during a broadcast is a Reggie Miller staple.

The weird thing, though, it really struck me today that TNT doesn't have the NBA.

Like, think about every opening night with this massive Barkley show for an hour beforehand, then the rings.

And it just, it felt like our entire lives.

That was the opening.

I know it was probably 22, 23 years, but it was really notable how different it was for the opening night it almost didn't feel like opening night and then the game started and it did but uh

yeah rip tnt

and uh and welcome aboard round ball rock so we'll see how it goes this season speaking of nbc fifth thing for the sick pack uh uh the six pack

so they had this michael jordan thing they've been they've been playing up a lot and I they called it like degrees of excellence or insights in excellence or something.

It basically just turned out to be an interview with Mike Tarico that they probably filmed for two hours and they're just going to cut segments out of.

I can't think of a single thing that happened during the halftime thing,

but it's riveting to watch Michael Jordan.

And I realized like it doesn't really matter what he says.

His insights, his observations, his thoughts about the league.

It just doesn't matter because anything he says captivated.

He was like,

he told some story about he run at a house and there was a a basketball career.

I didn't even know what happened.

And I was like nodding, like, yeah, oh, this is great, Michael Jordan.

I think the next one, he's going to come back and just be like, yeah, I went to dinner last night.

I ordered a steak.

I got it medium rare.

I had two glasses of Pinot Noir and then I paid the check.

And then they're like, that was insights of excellence from Michael Jordan.

I'd be like, that was great.

Could watch him talk about anything.

So he might be the first person who's ever been on a pregame halftime show where I literally don't care what he says.

I just like having him around.

It's just nice to have MJ aboard.

So

congratulations, NBC.

Last one.

OKC, their fans booed Kevin Durant lustily again.

He left nine years ago.

Think about how long that was.

That was like, if you take nine years and then add another seven, that was the last time the Yankees won the World Series.

That's how long ago nine years ago is.

Nine years ago, I had, did I still have a show in HBO?

No, they might have canceled it by then.

But yeah, nine years ago, really long time, the Ringer is 10 years old.

And they're still booing him and they still hate his guts.

And on the one hand, I love it because I love the real fans and that's just how they feel.

And I would never tell them not to feel that way.

But on the other hand, it's been nine years and they have a new team and they won the title last year.

And SGA is now the best player in the history of the city.

And at some point, this is starting to feel petty.

There might be more things going on, quotes that KD said over the years that I've missed, but

it made me think like they're just never going to forgive him.

And I totally get it because I felt the same way about Roger Clemens, which I think my second or third piece for page two on ESPN was called Roger Clemens is the Antichrist.

And Roger Clemens was even in the booth last year for Nesson.

for a Red Sox game.

It was either this year or last year.

And I was just pissed off that they even let him in the booth.

And this was a guy who left the Red Sox in 1996 only almost 30 years ago and I'm still mad about it

so I get it listen I'm not one to judge but I just want to point out like you know he did have an awesome nine years there and they did win the title and if there was ever a time they were going to be like you know what we're

you've had a great career let's let bygones be guy bygones it would have been tonight but it wasn't so this is just the way it's going to be forever i guess they're always going to hate him and it made me think like and i think i've talked about this before but this really banged it home i always thought he was going to work it out with OKC.

Like Cleveland forgave LeBron.

LeBron's at a different level than KD.

But for the most part,

you always feel like it's eventually people get older, they forget, they don't remember why they're mad.

And then, I mean, John Skipper was on this podcast once.

Like, as time passes, you forget why you had animosity for things.

But I don't think it's ever going to happen with this.

So, if OKC, if he's never going to be in good graces in OKC, and it's, I don't think it's going to happen with the Warriors either, definitely not Brooklyn.

No way in Phoenix.

So you have this situation where he might retire and just not belong to any team.

And I really genuinely thought it would be like years later, be like, okay, so you'd be like, all right, fine.

We had nine great years.

You win the MVP here.

You were a great story.

We'll take you back.

But he might.

Might never happen.

This happened with Clemens.

I don't know what Clemens all these years later is.

Clemens belonged to the Red Sox, the Astros, the Yankee, Blue Jays, like kind of nothing.

But he's a Hall of Famer.

He's one of the best pitchers of the last 50 years, and he made a ton of money.

And maybe that's all that matters.

KD signed this new extension, and now he has the money record.

He's made almost $600 million.

It's the most money any basketball player has ever made.

And

I guess he's going to have to settle for that.

But unless this Houston thing goes fantastic.

and he ends up being a guy in Houston, he's just not going to have a place to go back to after he retires.

And I do think that's mildly important.

Like I see with the Celtics all the time, even people like Antoine Walker come back and, you know, are lustily cheered.

Everybody that's ever had a meaningful moment with the Celtics

that I can think of, they've been able to come back.

And I don't think this was ever going to happen with KD and OKC.

So it just kind of struck me tonight, like, wow, this is...

This is forever.

That's it for the six-pack.

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did we anybody like taylor who's been probably the best guy I feel like we kind of whiffed on that one.

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All right, we're going to talk about the NFL season.

We have a really dumb gimmick draft that we're going to do.

But before we do that, Danny Kelly, your Seattle Seahawks, we were the only ones.

You don't want to talk about that.

I thought you were going to bring up the Mariners.

Yeah.

How you went up 3-1 in the seventh inning to go to the World Series for the first time?

Yeah, we don't need to talk about that.

Third and second, you pitched to George Springer, who has 22 postseason home runs, now 23.

I'm not going to bring that up.

What a magical ride for the Mariners.

It was fun.

I will say that.

It was a really fun playoff run.

I mean, it's going to be memorable in

the team lore and everything like that.

Definitely brutal to end that way, but but so many great memories.

You know, the Suarez

Grand Slam the other day.

I went to that 15-inning game.

He's still shaking.

It's like, man.

But yeah, I was like, yeah, he was at the 15-inning game, which is awesome.

They should have gone after Springer's other knee.

That was the problem, I think.

I know.

It had to be Springer, didn't it?

He was actually pissed about the Otani and the best baseball game ever played because he felt like it overshadowed his best baseball game.

Yeah, that's what I am this.

Well, I thought if it was going to be a one-run game in game seven, I thought Mariners every time with the Blue Jays bullpen, the whole thing, but somehow it didn't work out.

Yeah.

Tough one.

The two expansion teams.

I'm old enough to remember when they joined the league

in 1976.

It's like, look at these two clowns, Toronto and Seattle.

What the hell are they going to do?

But yeah, so that was the closest you've come.

Yeah, the only team now and the majors have not been to the World Series.

Unbelievable.

I really thought you had a better time.

What do I know?

Wow.

Well, on the bright side, the Seattle Seahawks, a team that we were both high on heading into the season, I think even Mina, I don't feel like she gets to jump on the bandwagon for this.

I feel like she was pretty positive, generally speaking.

Pretty positive.

We were out on the, we were not as confident on the Darnold thing, I think, even though I thought the Seahawks defense was going to be really good.

Well, they're five and two, and so now plus 270 odds for the division.

That's our, is that our best division?

NFC West?

Because the Cardinals are probably the best two and five or under team.

They've been in a lot of these games.

Yeah, I would say so.

Let's see the AFC West, maybe.

If Brissette's playing, it's the best division in football.

Yeah.

You know, if Kyler,

three for four is not bad.

What's been the biggest surprise for seven weeks for your non-Giants related?

I mean,

I mean,

non-Giants related, still Giants-related.

Daniel Jones being six and one and just looking.

I mean, the Giants released Daniel Jones 11 months ago, and he just is six and one.

And I rooted for Daniel Jones for six seasons.

Nobody said anything nice about him that wasn't a Giants fan for six years.

And I could keep waiting for just like a flood of public apologies from everybody.

But Daniel Jones looks like a completely different player in some ways.

I don't understand how he's so accurate now.

Was he accurate on the Giants?

How do you explain that?

I'm a big believer that, like, I think there's a certain group of quarterbacks that had injuries that weren't quite the same after the injury.

We don't talk about them that way.

Carson Wentz after the ACL and he had a bad concussion with the Eagles and then was never the same.

Marcus Mariota had a nerve injury to throwing arm.

No one talks about it that way.

Jones had not just the knee injury, but a a neck injury and his deep ball, his arm strength, everything was totally sapped, combined with just bad production and all this stuff.

That

I just really, I used to joke that I would worried about him like walking through Hoboken.

I thought he'd get hit by a cab.

He had no pocket awareness, couldn't see anything around him.

But I think he's actually a lot like Darnold, where you look at Darnold and even four or five years ago, he's bouncing around the Vikings, the Niners, like the Panthers.

And Darnold couldn't.

Sometimes a guy like Jaden Daniels, it feels like the game has slowed down for him in two weeks.

And I think Daniel Jones this year is like Darnold last year, where it took six years, but the game is slower for him.

And you can tell that he just sees receivers later in the play and he's not losing track of what's happening on the field, even four or five seconds in a play.

That all sounds great, Craig, but it's Daniel Jones.

Like at some point, this makes no sense.

We said that about Darnold, and he's doing it again.

I think at a certain point, if the fit is right, the fit is right.

Also, these guys are wide open on the Colts.

Tyler Warren, there's never anybody within five yards of him.

Yes.

What Steichen is doing.

Steichen, there's a reason why he's the leading candidate for coach of the year.

It's just all working.

The line is working.

Everyone's open.

And Daniel Jones is competent enough to do all that.

Yeah, I was shocked.

I said this to Sal Sunday night.

It's second.

You have them second and 10.

You just feel like they're getting eight to nine yards.

Like, it's just guaranteed that somebody's going to be wide open or Taylor's going to slash through.

All their pieces work too.

Like, they have their deep threat guy with Alec Pierce, who's good.

You have Tyler Warren, who's like this big tight end.

Michael Pittman's good on the outside.

Josh Downs is an overqualified slot wide receiver.

Jonathan Taylor's the best running back in the league.

The line is good.

It's like they could run.

They can pass.

It's an argument also for like stability and keeping the GM.

I think Chris Ballard Ballard was one of the GMs that people were maybe going to be out of.

He wouldn't pick a quarterback.

Richardson bombed out.

Like, there's a world where Chris Ballard gets fired at the end of last season.

They keep him, and you're like, oh, all these players who are balling out are homegrown players.

The line's homegrown.

The players.

The weirdest part is that it was reportedly like a tough QB competition in August between Richardson and Daniel Jones.

Apparently, it was tight.

How is that possible?

Weird stuff happens.

I think they were lying.

Yeah, I think they were lying because they jumped on January.

Why to make Richardson feel better to make Daniel Jones work harder?

I think the idea was Daniel Jones was like, they were just supposed to make Richardson jealous, and they were just as shocked as anybody that it's working this well.

I don't think, I mean, I think that's one of the reasons the Titans fired Brian Callahan.

I'm sure the Titans had on their list.

Should we sign Daniel Jones and have him compete with Cam Ward?

And the Titans, Brian Callahan, probably said, no, he's no good.

And now he's leading the Colts, the six and one record.

Like, all these teams could add him.

Can you blame Callahan, though?

I feel like most teams would say that.

The Colts were just terrible.

He was so good.

He was so good.

He signed with the Vikings during last season, and nobody was like, oh, savvy.

Smart move.

Example 7,691 in the NFL that success in the NFL is really hard to explain.

And even the Ravens took a tight end before Lamar Jackson in the draft.

Even the teams themselves sometimes don't have any clue how successful something will be.

Well, look, the craziest thing to me about Daniel Jones is like Heifitz was talking about he was worried about him crossing the street because he just didn't have the pocket awareness.

Daniel Jones has taken very few sacks.

In fact, I think at least in the league, I believe, percentage-wise.

And I want to say I saw a stat the other day that they haven't taken any sacks on third or fourth down this year, which is incredible for a guy like Daniel Jones.

Who I never would have guessed that for Daniel Jones.

And I know we have a whole category thing to do here.

The term deer in the headlights is overused, but it actually is applicable because what actually happens to a deer is the eyes are really adjusted to the darkness and then the headlights are like the brightest thing possible.

So the reason the deer freezes is it's nobody.

I'm having the scientific exercise.

Nobody's shooting behind that.

It's just you in the bathroom at night.

You wake up and you turn the lights on.

You're like, oh, like you're a deer in the headlights.

That's it.

And it takes, literally takes your eyes time to adjust to the light.

That's kind of pressure in the NFL.

Quarterbacks, like you see the pressure, and everything just, it's that moment in the bathroom, two in the morning, like, you just can't see anything.

And what we, when Darnold, it does feel like sometimes like the light comes out of their head, but really, they just aren't,

their eyes are adjusting to pressure and they're able to see a pass rusher and they don't lose track of like, oh, there's Michael Pittman on a cornerback four inches shorter than him.

And he gets in the ball.

That's why you don't turn the lights on when you pee in the middle of the night.

You got to just keep him off.

He sits down while he peeves.

I do.

In the middle of the night, you got to sit down and pee.

100%.

I've heard you talk about this in the pod.

Is this a bit or do you actually do this?

Of course.

You're standing and peeing at two in the morning.

Sitz-Pinkler?

Is it what's

the German word?

If we bring back the hottest takeoff, I got a lot.

I'm sitting on a lot.

The German sitters.

You're not just sitting on the P, you're sitting on a lot.

P-sitters.

That's even your fantasy team, Dave.

Sitz-Pinklers?

My biggest surprise might be Craig's biggest pleasant surprise is that Aaron Rodgers is still good.

I just,

I completely wrote it off.

It wasn't a bit.

I just watched them last year, and it was like, this guy doesn't have it.

He doesn't want to get hit anymore.

This is a wrap.

He just wants to get rid of the ball in two seconds even when they played the patriots um i didn't didn't think he played that well like i just thought he wanted to get rid of the ball he could only make two throws the way he played the last two weeks really looked like rogers like i i don't really have an explanation for it now you could pick the stewers apart in all these different ways like They're one of those teams that their record could be a lot different with one or two plays.

Like, I still don't know how the Patriots didn't beat them.

Yeah, there's Rodgers looks good, though.

He looks great.

You have to be delighted.

You're a Stewers fan.

Incredibly delighted.

Everyone's coming coming around.

Like, I feel like we're, what are we, seven weeks in and everyone's like, oh, yeah, Rodgers isn't washed.

Like, after all of the vitriol that came out of last year, it'll never work.

He's terrible.

He ruined all this stuff.

And now we're just seven weeks in and everyone's like, oh, yeah, he's like one of the best five quarterbacks of all time.

His arm.

You just have to count him out and then he'll be good again.

His Baker.

His arm is still, to me, like he can make throws that only a few quarterbacks can make in the NFL still right now.

Yeah.

The hell Mary.

I mean, throwing a ball 70 yards at 41.

I mean, honestly, he's played well enough that, and it's what we always joke about, but we're not joking, where it's the year after, after the injury.

That was the big thing we talked about in the offseason:

he was coming out of a tornado, guys.

Yes,

he doesn't have a torn Achilles, he's 40 years old.

It's bad for Tatum, I guess.

Yeah,

yeah.

Well, everyone's like, oh my God, he's on a basketball court five months after.

I'm like, what do you think he's doing?

It's been five months.

Like, Cam Akers played in the fucking Super Bowl.

So, Peterson's the only guy ever who came back under a year and still looked like himself that I could think of.

Yeah, and that's AC Elbow.

I would not, for your emotional health, count on Jason Tatum returning to the club.

I'm trying not to.

I'll say Diggs, Diggs seems pretty close to where he was, but he's not playing, he's playing 30 snaps yet.

I mean, Rashid Rice looks good.

Torres,

was it LCL or ACL last year?

It was the LCL.

LC Rogers thing's different because he's in his 40s.

And Brady is the only.

There was, I saw on social, there was some unbelievable stat.

Brady has the second most,

it's either rushing or receiving yards of anyone over 40.

Did you guys see that?

I think it's receiving yards.

Receiving yards.

Jaron Rice.

Tom Brady, number two receiver, 48 over.

I'm going to throw flacco on Rodgers a pass.

I think Rogers, what's helping as well is that he's willing to play Arthur Smith's game.

Like, he's not just doing the, I'm going to sit in shotgun.

I'm on the Jets.

I brought in Alan Lazard and all my guys, and I'm just going to do that.

He's actually like running play action.

He's under center.

He's like booting.

He looks pretty mobile to me.

And I just think we always underestimate what you can do the year after a terrible injury.

He looks like what the Jets thought they were getting when they traded for him.

And frankly, they got to be going nuts.

Because Adams, too.

Adams has looked good on the Rams.

They just had two years later.

You had these guys.

And Fields.

I mean, the Steelers got rid of Fields.

People thought they should have brought Fields back.

Fields is terrible.

And Rodgers is.

But you knew that that Sunday night game was the

spotlight game for him.

Where it's like, this guy does.

Rogers versus Green Bay this week.

He's going to be biblical.

He's going to have five touchdowns.

But speaking of teams not knowing what they're doing or getting is like, wasn't Rogers was not their first option.

He was not their first choice.

No, they went to Staffords.

Staffords.

But if you think Rodgers was mad to

be a Jets in week one, like, like what do you think he had 10 days he's had 10 days to prepare off a loss for the packers so baltimore is plus 135 on fan duel for the afc north and pittsburgh's plus 130.

they're basically even that is which is remarkable four and two versus one and five one one and five team has ever won a division it's happened one time ever

17 so the extra game i think skews it a whiff right also but not like that much steelers schedule gets super hard and the bengals or in the ravens schedule is pretty easy they also play each other twice

But the question for me is:

can the Ravens go nine and eight?

I think so.

Starting at one and five, that's eight and three the rest of the way, which means then the Steelers, what are you, four and two or five and one?

Four and two.

Four and two.

So you would have to go five and five, basically.

The schedule gets tough.

I do think it's going to come down to a Steelers-Ravens game late in the year and the winner.

Well, you have it.

It's week 18.

Yeah,

that game will matter.

Goodell's like, let's ring that game so it means something.

I don't know what voice that was.

That was movie kids.

It was good.

I'll do it again.

It was good.

I'm going to try not to

Dr.

Evil or I don't know.

Bengals plus 470 harden your nipples at all, Danny?

A little bit.

It's cool.

A little bit.

The Flacco thing.

Flacco and the receivers.

Yeah.

Kind of discount immobile Dak Prescott with his two guys, basically, the AFC version.

Pathetic Steelers defensive performance.

Maybe the worst I've ever seen in my life.

Well, so that's the case against the Steelers is your defense is not good.

And I felt like against the Pats,

we should have had 500 yards in that game.

We just kept fumbling the ball.

If somebody told me that week seven of the NFL, Rodgers is like fourth in touchdown passes and the Steelers, the most expensive defense in the NFL,

gets shredded by Joe Flacco,

I'd say I was on Mars.

Well, what were the odds Rodgers was going to be starting for fantasy teams midway through the season?

Because that's a thing that's happening now.

For sure.

Low.

Craig actually wanted us to rank them higher and I personally vetoed it.

And I was like, I absolutely refuse.

I was like, there's absolutely no way we're ranking Rodgers as a top 20.

I just kept thinking back to like the Steelers are not going to be worse with Aaron Rodgers versus Kenny Pickett or Mason Rudolph.

Like we had a winning record with those guys.

Do you remember watching Rodgers, you remember why we put up with him for the last like five years?

I just can't, with these old guys, I can't figure out how to gauge it anymore.

And either prediction either way.

Like LeBron right now, he's sciatica, apparently.

Yeah.

He might just play 20 games this year and this is it.

Like he's like, LeBron's body broke down.

He played 6,000 minutes.

This is what happened.

It's usually what should happen.

You just don't know what year it's going to be but it happened i never thought it happened to jerry rice you guys were you old enough to remember jerry yeah a little bit he was a seahawks best receiver still i've ever seen yeah he had that he had that little raiders seahawks era but i just it felt like as long as he was going to play i was like well he's jerry rice he'll figure it and then at some point he you know you you you hit late age and that's it's over well that's the reason they call it an age cliff you know it's like just all of a sudden you don't got it anymore and it is a cliff for a receiver especially there's a lot of doubt on this of like you kind of keep going, and then when you fall off, you don't get back.

Like, you know, Amari Cooper just are like deal, like, DOA.

Rice is so many of those.

Rice is the only one where there wasn't.

But the amazing, but that's the thing.

The cliff was just at the end.

The amazing thing is that with Rodgers, what we're seeing is the like there's one thing for Brady to reset the age curve, Derek kind of reset the age curve at running back, obviously, tennis, Jokovich, all these every sport.

Like, you're having the age reset by someone.

What's amazing about the Rodgers thing is to tear your Achilles at 40 and then still, or 39, and still get back.

That is like completely new.

Like, to have a

lot of injuries.

Rice had one of the worst injuries I've ever witnessed in a game on Monday Night Football when Warren Sapp.

I always had the joke it should have been like a 100-yard penalty.

It just should have been automatic touchdown.

It was like a reverse or something.

And Sapp did this clothesline where he almost like exorcised headed him and his knee just like blew out.

And this was like Rice at the peak of his powers.

And he came back from that and played.

Was that 97?

Something.

It was 96, 97.

Jerry Rice was 35.

Yeah.

And then five years later,

1,200 yards.

At the the best point of his career.

That's crazy.

1,000 yards at 40.

If a receiver now is like Keenan Allen's like 33, and we're like, I don't know.

Eight years later, Jerry Rice was still putting up 900 yards into season.

He's a classic you need better PR guy.

Yeah.

They're certainly athletes.

Yeah, it's just like when people talk about goats and different things, like to me, Rice is clearly.

Rice and LT are just clearly head over heels about anyone else ever.

I feel like Rice has respect.

The guy I always think about who doesn't have enough PR.

I feel like is Barry Bonds, where I understand that there was a lot of controversy there, but Barry Bonds has pretty darned it.

He's like avatar for movies where it's like the biggest thing that ever happened has no cultural imprint.

No one ever talks about it or anything.

He certainly, of all the baseball players from like the last 35 years, is like the first one that jumps into my head for seeing in person other than maybe Pedro.

And now Shohei would be the third one.

But these guys that you're just like, I remember going to see this person and sitting in the stands and watching how crazy they were.

Is there a team?

I don't think this question steps on the categories we're about to do.

Is there a team that is highly ranked to win the Super Bowl?

I'll give you the top seven odds.

Kansas City, Detroit, Buffalo, Green Bay, Philly, Indianapolis, Rams,

Denver, and Baltimore are all the 20 to 100 teams.

Is there a team you're just like, I don't see it?

I don't see them putting it together in the next 12 weeks, Danny.

I mean, in that group, I probably would circle the Broncos.

Because the Knicks yeah I mean

after three quarters of just this last Sunday we were like Broncos are on fraud watch and then of course they went and scored 33 points all right

um

but that was no it's I forgot so thanks I completely forgot Danny so I would probably circle them what do you have craig yeah broncos is a good one I don't know I've been a little bit unimpressed with the Packers this year I feel like the Micah Parsons trade everybody said Packers Super Bowl favorites they start the year by beating the lions and then since then I've been kind of unimpressed I mean they lost to the Browns.

They tied the Cowboys.

They barely beat Jacoby Brissett and the Cardinals.

I don't know.

I still think like the Jordan Love, I don't know.

That's my team, too.

It's like watching an NBA team where they're like, I like those guys.

I like this guy.

I like that guy.

Why aren't they winning?

Why are they down 10?

The Ravens are top 10 in Super Bowl odds, and they're one and five.

Yeah.

If they were five and one with the injuries they had, that would make sense.

Good answer.

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All right, so we did the My Guy draft before the season, and that was basically snake fashion.

We do a title or a thing, and we each had to draft one, and we go in order.

We're not going to do that this time.

I sent you guys a bunch of categories.

Most valuable player, coach of the year, offensive or defensive rookie of the year, next coach fired, breakout star,

QB offseason hot seat guy.

Can't wait for this one.

Number one seed, AFC or NFC.

Team that will get the number one pick,

fantasy MVP, and fantasy murderer of the year.

So after seven weeks, we're going to predict what the outcomes will be for those categories and the catch.

So some, some, I mean, what are half of the podcast now draft podcasts?

Except ours, funnily enough.

Yeah, you're the least draft.

We don't really draft that much on our show.

So some of them were that you have to match with the categories, like Big Picture does that.

We're going to try to match with the categories.

And part of the art here is like, if there's a category you don't like, maybe you grab it right away because you're worried about the depth in the category.

And then we'll see at the end of the year who won.

It's probably the easiest just to have Heifitz go first and go this way.

I get that.

Plus, Heifitz.

Well, who you decide, Craig, who had a harder loss between Kelly and Heifitz here on Sunday or Monday.

What was more devastating?

Well, this is funny because we were talking about context.

With context, DK, because the Mariners could have made their first World Series ever.

Without context, it's Heifitz.

Because if that game were in the playoffs, I think it'd be the worst collapse in sports history.

But because it was like a random week seven game and the Giants suck at the game, I had Giants fans who were like, I know we're not going to make the playoffs, but that was one of the worst losses I've ever had.

I didn't know I could feel that bad about a team that's not going to make the playoffs.

Like, I didn't, I feel like I've been so guarded in my heart for the last like eight years, nine years really for the Giants.

I feel like the Eagles game, they won.

And I was like, man, I'm in on this team.

I love them.

I'm letting him.

I'm going to go all.

I'm letting him.

I'm not going to let you get the Giants are better than the Eagles.

Hell yes.

I'm vulnerable again.

And then they're like, Isaac called me drunk at midnight on Thursday after that Giants Eagles game.

He's like, Craig, the Giants are better than the Eagles.

And I was like, I think you might be right.

I was drunk and I wanted to do a copper.

I wanted to record the show.

And I was like, watched it at a bar and I was like, let's do the show.

They're like, no.

Did you think you're going to the playoffs after that game?

Yeah.

Of course.

I went to the Super Bowl.

I got Charlie.

I have, I bet in February the 500 to 1.

I have the Monfan to win the Super Bowl.

I bet, I, I,

wow.

That's it.

500 times.

Well, I thought they might get Stafford.

And I was like, that's, if they they get Stafford, that will be an amazing ticket.

But I just,

I got Charlie Brown, man.

The moment that I was like, oh, I'm in on this team, they had a one in 1,600 collapse.

So is that worse than what happened at Danny where he's up 3-1 in the seventh inning with a chance to play the Dodgers?

Probably not.

Probably not, but it is easier if we just start with that.

All right.

You go first.

So I get to go from any of these categories.

Any category.

You grab a guy.

And once you pick the guy.

He's off the corner or the team.

Off the board.

You're done with that category and we can't touch that person.

So there is like one category in this entire list that I think there is just an objectively correct answer.

Okay.

And it is the next coach fired will be Mike McDaniel for the

damn.

There's not really a good number two on that one.

No.

The only zag for that is if,

well, first of all, it seems like he's trying to get fired with the glasses he wore and the weird press conference he gave and just whatever the kind of sort of blaming the players.

Yeah.

I don't know if we executed because we didn't really play football today or whatever he said.

The only thing I can think of is if they're trying to tank and you're putting him in almost as the mole

to ruin the team.

That's a great first pick.

I think he's got to be the heavy favorite.

Craig, you're up.

Man.

Okay.

I'm just going to go chalk here.

I'm going MVP Mahomes.

Okay.

I think Mahomes is playing the best season he's had since 2022.

Looks like the old Chiefs are back.

The last three years of the boring, ugly Chiefs' offense is completely gone.

Mahomes is playing incredibly.

All the receivers are back.

The offense looks fantastic.

I think he's going to win MVP.

I thought heading into the season, Josh Allen was the best QB in the league.

I'm still not going to jump off that, but Mahomes has the most fantasy points, which I think is interesting.

I will say with the Mahomes's back, it just kind of has to be casually mentioned.

They're about to beat the Jaguars, and then he threw a 99-yard pick on a pass that that like most terrible quarterbacks in the league would throw.

So, it's just that caveat.

He did cost them a game with a terrible thing, but I think he's he has the best odds on Fandu in a way.

But in that game, I think he was throwing to like Taekwondo and Xavier Worthy on one leg, but yeah, yeah, he's at least they've branched out, and then he's still his deep ball stuff is still pretty erratic, but for the most part, he looks way more like Mahomes from three years.

Yes, in Europe, yeah, just the vibes.

I'm gonna go also Chalk here, Shane Steichen, coach of the year.

Yeah, feels like like the runoff.

I think this would be the first three picks.

Yeah.

I mean,

I'm going back and trying to remember what we were thinking at the beginning of the year.

I remember laughing.

I specifically laughed at the Colts for choosing Daniel Jones over Anthony Richardson, just because the fact is they drafted this guy, I think it was number four overall, a couple of years ago, with the knowledge

that they are going to have to give this guy some time.

And they just

gave up on him so quickly for a guy like Daniel Jones, who I just had zero confidence in.

And the fact that he not only only made that really tough decision to go to daniel jones face the ire from the media um but now he's turned this into legitimately one of the best offense like through seven weeks one of the best offenses we've ever seen um if you just look at the stats like through seven weeks of a season they're up there with like the 07 patriots the 2013 broncos in terms of scoring points per drive yeah yards what's the worst record they could have where he still wins coach of the year they go 10 and 7 can he win i think vrabel would be the big competitor right yes so it's like basically whoever has a better record between those teams probably wins it, unless there's somebody we're not thinking of.

Well, if the Bills win the division,

but the Pats still win 11, 12 games, can Vraibel win?

Win the division.

They're going to have to go through Foxborough to do it, motherfuckers.

Come our way.

Come take it.

That's the right pick.

I think he's done a great job.

I also like when a coach makes an emphatic before the season decision.

That's kind of like, if this doesn't work out, I'm getting fired anyway.

Fuck it.

But in this case, it actually worked out.

I thought this had to be one of the first four picks.

We have a breakout star category.

And there's some good choices, but I just think it has to be Drake May

because,

first of all, very vindicating to the Pats fans.

I've talked about him, Bush, in my podcast.

He kind of sucked in week one against the Raiders and was probably the main reason they lost the game.

He just wasn't good.

He was throwing, sailing balls and just,

and then he's just gotten better every week.

And it hasn't been all cream puffs because they won in Buffalo and he was great in that game.

But

really looks like this.

He's in like the Elway area for the athleticism combined with the arm strength and the way he throws.

I don't think anybody's thrown a better deep ball than him this year.

I'm in shock by his deep ball.

I can't believe how well he moves around the pocket.

And some of these, there was like a three-minute super mix of all his plays this year.

And you're just watching him.

He looks like a Jedi.

It just looks like he's year five.

He's, I think he's 22.

It's ridiculous how good he's been.

And I think it's sustainable.

I don't, I don't feel like there's anything fluky about it.

Totally.

He kills you from the pocket.

He kills you when he scrambles.

He can kill you with the deep ball.

He kills you in the clutch.

Like when they actually need to score at the end of games, he can kill you off platform.

Like it's not like a Jalen Hurts or Bo Nicks, where if he's not really set the right way, he can't make a throw.

He can make any throw and obviously can run.

And, but also the little stuff, too.

Like when he was at, like this week, I think he broke the record for completion percentage by a Patriots quarterback and he broke Brady's record for completion percentage.

And they're like, what do you think of that?

And they obviously wanted him to do something about, oh, Brady, it's an honor.

He didn't do that at all.

He was like, honestly, I scrambled a couple of times when I should have ran.

So I ran when I should have thrown and I actually missed some reads and I didn't know what to do.

So I ran.

So I actually left some plays in the field.

And I'm like, that's the right answer.

So he's, he's the whole package.

And while we're here, can you stop complaining about the Joe Milton thing where like you're upset you got cost Abdul Carter or whatever because Joe Milton?

Because I just see Drake May and I'm mad that Tommy DeVito was a meme for the Giants and he cost the Giants Jaden Daniels and Drake May.

So that is a lot worse than the Joe Milton.

Is Abdul Carter playing this year?

He just just got concussed because i what does he have like a half a sack one sack he's doing fine but i mean

no i i like abdul car i was making it a joke no it seemed like a catastrophe not to get him or her him or uh hunter basically was like words first these next two guys and then it's like Will Campbell, Tyler Warren, Mason Graham.

And then you would redo the draft.

Like, Will Campbell's been really good.

I think Mason Graham's a monster.

Yeah, he's been good.

And then Tyler Warren, I'm sure he's going to come up at some point.

But it did work out for the Pets.

Yeah.

You know what didn't work out is the Traybion Henderson pick.

He's coming up.

We'll talk about him as well.

Okay.

He's on the list.

He's in one of these categories.

Snaking, how are we doing this?

Are we going back to Hivets?

Are we going back to Dean?

What's the protocol?

I think I should pick next.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I think we go opposite of what Hivets thinks.

So, Snake.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I'm up again.

Wow.

So I have my breakout guy.

Oh, you know.

All the favorites are gone now.

I feel like now these are a little tougher.

So there's a category we have pick a one seed in the AFC or NFC.

And I'm going to take Indianapolis.

One seed in AFC?

As a one seed

because I don't like the other choices.

I they won me over in that Chargers game.

I don't love their defense.

I think you can throw on them, but offensively, they're just absolutely outrageous.

I can't believe

how efficient it is and how many weapons they have and how easy it is.

There's been very few teams over the years where it just seems like it's just easy for them to get eight yards anytime they want.

And they have so many options.

And the Warren thing has been like.

That's the fact that the Bears passed them up, I'll never understand that.

That should be like a 5,000-word feature from somebody.

Like, how did you, how did this happen?

How did everyone think Tyler Warren was the best tight end for 11 months?

And then somebody was like, actually zag and actually zagged with the 10th pick.

Yeah.

But the way they use him, he's like a combination of 11 tight ends I've loved in my life.

I think the draft process is too long because by the time the draft comes, people talk themselves out of all of the right takes.

Like if the draft was just like February 20th, I feel like we'd be way more accurate with all of our predictions.

I think it's a really good idea.

You know what I mean?

It's just so much more fresh.

It's like, oh, I watched Ibuka.

He's good.

Just draft him.

But everyone's like, well, the measurables, he's never been the best receiver on his Ohio season.

Will Campbell.

His arms are a half inch too short.

He's ready to fall out of the top.

Did you ever notice that watching the games?

No.

No.

I mean, when he was in the SEC looking great.

All right.

Danny, you're up.

This is tough.

Let's see here.

It gets hard right around now.

I am going to go with.

I think I'm going to go with fantasy MVP.

Okay.

And I'm going to take Jonathan Taylor.

Speaking of the Colts, he was

the running back nine in average draft position before the year, 18th overall.

So you could have gotten him in the second round quite easily.

We didn't really, we didn't know what to make of him because nobody did.

No one really knew what to make of the Colts offense in general because, number one, we didn't really know who the quarterback was going to be for most of the preseason.

And so we were just.

Everybody on that team got pushed out.

You could have probably drafted 10 teams.

Everyone's like, oh, you got to find the breakout team, right?

That's the way to win in fantasy football.

Yeah.

You know, it was like, oh, finding the Bengals from two years ago or finding, and it was like, who's going to be finding the Texans that first year with Stroud?

I think you could have probably drafted 10 teams before you picked the Colts this year.

Yes.

It was the Bears.

It was the Jags.

It was, there were so many teams.

Nobody thought it was going to be great.

I mean, Seiken was kind of on the hot seat.

For sure.

100%.

Nobody thought he was a great coach.

Really strange pro football reference page for Taylor.

Yeah.

Like his first year, he ran for 1169, 11 TDs.

Then his next year was his great 18, 11, 18 TDs.

Then he got hurt.

Then he got hurt 11 games and 22.

23 was maybe a holdout.

He only played seven.

That was when the Jimmers was going to give the money to a whale.

I'm sorry.

And then the whale died, so Jonathan Taylor got paid.

Then last year, just good enough.

Jonathan Taylor killed the whale.

Last year, 1431 and 11 TDs.

And yet, I don't think he was mentioned as a top three running back.

There was always like this, ah, I don't know.

Well, part of the reason is he doesn't catch passes like the other guys.

And so some of these like, you know, league winning top running backs, Christian McCaffrey, Dawn A-Chan, um, forget the couple other guys that are really involved in the passing game, those guys just get pushed higher because it's like just more ways you can win.

But Jonathan Taylor, he's just so head and shoulders above everyone in running this year.

He's done three games with three touchdowns, he has three games of 30-plus points.

He leads all skilled players in points per game, and that's not even catching a ton of passes.

So, um, so he's going first if you're redoing a fantasy draft right now.

Yeah, probably.

I also do think part of the reason he's not that famous is if Jonathan Taylor was named Saquon Barkley and played on a New York team, and Saquon Barkley was named Jonathan Taylor and played for the Athletic team.

He's on a Shitty Colts team, is Holger Rearr.

And he's a boring name.

Boring names matter.

He's having the third best fantasy running back season in the last 15 years.

I mean, when you're on pace for 20 rush TDs, and you might get more than that.

What's the record?

Saquon has the right.

28.

No, the total or Tomlinson has both.

Tomlinson has a lot of records.

What's the best rush TD record?

Sean Alexander?

Sean Alexander.

It's La Danielian Thomas.

He's 28.

And on the season, he had 31.

That was 2006.

But I think he's going to have a game where he has like five.

But no one's had 20 rushing touchdowns since 2006.

Tomlinson set the record on both.

And then no one's had 20 since then.

Never mind, 28.

Kind of a running back resurgence this year because

Dijon and McCaffrey, they kind of built the whole game around that.

And then,

yeah, I think Gibbs has been electric this year.

Especially in fantasy.

And the receivers are so deep.

It's like it's kind of going back to old school where it's like you should just take a running back in the first round, get a good quarterback, and then figure it out later.

And finishing last, Trayvon Henderson.

That leads me to my next category:

Fantasy Murder of the Year.

I will be drafting Trayvian Henderson.

Yeah, I can't argue with it.

Who's paid $30 for him?

An unmitigated disaster.

I mean, this guy was going like top 40 in drafts.

I'm in multiple conversations with Pat's fans trying to piece together.

Yeah, what happened?

What do you have?

Do you have inside info?

What's the first preseason game?

First touch of the touch, he broke a kick return and then had all these electric electric plays.

Anytime they put him in, he decked a dude and basically knocked a guy out.

And then the season started.

And I was on one thread.

We were trying to remember one good play he's had all year and we couldn't remember a good play.

He just kind of runs into the line and falls down.

So now we're like, is he hurt?

Did he like lose his confidence?

Is he going through something?

He got passed by the number three guy who.

Yeah, Terrell Jennings.

Terrell Jennings.

I didn't even know he was on the team.

Undrafted free.

I never heard of this.

Yeah, I've been starting Travion Henderson every week.

I have him.

He's a cut.

He's an absolute has to be.

He cannot be on a fantasy team.

I'm terrified that the second I drop him, someone's going to add him and then Vrabel is going to start mixing him in and he'll be good.

Fear is the mind killer.

The only, since my dad came up with this, as we all are trying to figure out, like, maybe they're saving him for the second half of the season because he's little.

That's the excuse.

That's

him being little is the best excuse I have.

I think him being little is related.

I think him being little is related.

I think Vrabel likes to fight.

They don't throw to him.

Why?

Why aren't they throwing screens to him?

He's fast.

James May's too busy throwing 20-yard touchdowns.

He's listed at 202.

When small people are listed at 202, it's like six feet tall.

It's like he probably plays at 190-something if Rabel just thinks he's small.

Ramondre's big.

Why'd they draft him?

It's my worst cause.

He was late when they drafted him.

I was like bragging about how Cleveland took Judkins over him.

Judkins.

And now it's like eight weeks later.

It's like, oh my God, I wish we had Judkins.

I'd like to go on record.

This season he'll suck.

Henderson will be fine long term.

He'll beat Kevin Falk eventually for us.

It seemed in the preseason, it really seemed like this was Jameer Gibbs.

I'm not cutting him.

I refuse.

It used to be super normal for running backs not taken in the first round to need a full year to acclimate to the NFL.

It's normal.

Also, the reason one of the big talking points around him coming into the league was he doesn't fumble and he's really good in pass pro.

And he's been terrible in pass pros.

He's missed like huge plays in pass pro.

And the fumbling thing apparently does not matter to Vrabel because, you know, Ramondre Stevenson is leading the NFL in fumbles and he doesn't care.

Hi, Fitz, you're up.

I am, I will take if, well, speaking of the Patriots, this one, I'm surprised this one fell to me.

In terms of scarcity here, I'm going to go Coach of the Year, Mike Vrabel.

Yeah, I should be able to do that.

I'm surprised that that fell to me.

I mean, this is really simple.

Like the Patriots, what do you guys, five and two?

Yeah.

And coach of the year, I mean, if, I mean, you guys win the division.

Coach of the year,

you guys have the easiest remaining schedule.

So not only are you five and two now, but the Patriots have the easiest remaining schedule.

So if the Patriots win 11, 12 games, you have the tiebreaker against the Bills.

Yep, already I'm kind of like.

He's three to one on FanDuel.

And that's the thing.

You're talking about when you mentioned Steichen, what happens?

How does Steichen lose?

Well, the Cults are six and one.

So, what record do they need to finish?

But if they finish the stretch with like three or four losses down the stretch, that's the part that weighs heavier in people's minds.

The beginning fades.

The Patriots, I hate to say it, and I hate the Patriots, and this is not me sucking up.

I actually, as you know, I really, really hate the Patriots.

I hate the Giants as well and was celebrating when he lost.

The best moment of me working at this company, Bar None, was you talking about

how much

four weeks just getting started

five days left how much pain the uh second giant super bowl caused you and you didn't know i was like in the room and you thought it was just like mallory and sean and you were like we lived it for five years they were listening i was just like an intern listening and i was you know and you just were like guys when you turned around you're like oh hyphen's heard all that and that was the best thing stroking a cat

stroking something else

but having said that

so with that said I kind of think the Patriots could win 12 or 13 games because I think Vrabel is such a good coach and Maya is playing so well.

The coach coach and/or quarterback advantage they have in so many of these remaining games.

Now you are sucking up.

Now you are sucking up.

He's right.

Our schedule is just, it almost seems like a rounding error accident.

You just can't believe there's no hard teams.

It's like at Tampa, I think, is one of the hard ones.

They play Buffalo in New England.

And then maybe there's an at Baltimore, Baltimore.

There's basically three playoff teams left in the schedule.

Yeah.

Right now on Fando, they're plus 175 to win 12-plus games, which

they're five and two now, so that's seven and three.

I mean, they're going to be favored in, I think, every game except maybe two.

Yeah, so I think it's the right pick.

I think that I think it's stake, stake inner variable for the stake in our variable for the uh coach of the year.

What do you have, Craig?

No, I've gets another one, right?

Oh, yeah, oh wow, I do.

Good point.

Craig, you don't have to point that out.

Teacher, teacher, good point, Craig.

In that note, on that, similarly,

I will take

for MVP.

It's tough, Craig took Mahomes, which was smart.

Yeah.

There's not a lot of awesome options left, but for that reason, I'm going to take Matt Stafford for the Rams.

Interesting.

For a very simple reason.

Bad pick.

You have to win 12 games to win the MVP.

There has been, in the last 20 years, one MVP quarterback has not won 12 games.

Like Dak can't win.

Yes.

Yeah.

And you like, oh, you won nine games and 10 games and threw for a lot of yards.

Like,

it does not happen.

And even the quarterbacks who did win 12 games to win MVP, they all got a first-round by when they were a two-bye era.

Like you cut now in the 17-game season, you kind of need 13 wins.

So I'm looking around.

Like Josh Allen for the Bills has better odds than Stafford.

The Bills are way too injured, I think, to win 13 games.

But I look at the Rams and the Rams are five and two.

Stafford has 17 touchdowns in two interceptions.

And he's playing so well.

And

the Rams are another team where I'm like, if the Rams win 13 games and Stafford has 35 touchdowns, things

that's smart.

I like it.

I can't tell.

I think the guy I'm about to take applies to to multiple categories.

Yeah.

I'm going to go fantasy MVP Jackson Smith and Jigba,

who is the wide receiver one in fantasy.

How dare you?

And has immediately become, he's on pace for 1,989 yards this year.

And so more, more, just almost 2,000.

Almost 2,000.

And he's just like, I don't know, the fifth best receiver in the league now.

And he's only going up.

Yeah.

He's always open.

I was going to have him as one of the breakout players too, maybe.

I was going to as well, but there's been a a lot of breakouts this year.

I feel like fantasy MVP.

I'm with you.

In terms of where he was drafted and how you feel about him now, he's like the most untradeable player in the league.

He was drafted as a wide receiver 14.

Yeah.

And he is number one receiver in terms of total points this year.

He's on pace for, like you said, for almost 2,000 yards.

No signs of slowing down.

He's number one overall in target rate.

He's the Seahawks offense, their passing offense.

He's been their leading receiver in all seven games.

Yeah.

And I would say just.

And he's a peaceful man.

When it seemed like there might be an altercation yesterday he sat on the bench and held his hands

like guarded him like that meme of the guy taking all the arrows for everybody like peaceful dude

uh he just moves differently that's like the thing that always comes to mind when i watch him play i'm just like he has incredible body control incredible acceleration great hands tracks the ball expertly is like just all the superlatives you could you could throw out he's just really really good natural receiver he's a great roster fit for the squad i'm building today There's

just some guys are just open.

And that's it.

And that's why, you know, my Trayvon Henderson thing will probably live on video-wise and infamy before the year comparing him to Jameer Gibbs.

You know what won't live on is me talking about how awesome JSN was to Danny Kelly in this game and saying how like this was, yeah, how you picked he was your guy this year.

And how there was a four-game stretch last year when he was open for four straight games and then the offensive line fell apart.

That video won't live on because that's how social media works, Danny.

It's a cruel beast.

You like it when you're wrong.

It's only the losers that live on.

What do you have, Danny Kelly?

Let's see here.

We should start a Twitter account called Great Takes Exposed.

Oh, wow.

That's good.

How about the good takes?

Just some positivity.

Yeah.

I was right.

Rogers is decent.

Rodges is decent.

What a

take.

You were.

You did point your flag on, I think we're Fine Island with Aaron Rodgers.

It was good.

So I don't know if this is too obvious to even count, but the QB offseason hot seat guy,

Tua.

I really regret not grabbing that when I just went.

That was, I didn't really, I forgot I was going sneaking on a crush.

Can we talk this out?

I couldn't stomach the idea of seeing Tua on a roster of mine in any fashion.

Yeah, I guess he's not building fantasy teams here.

We're trying to be right.

No, that's that's the right pick because

I wrote duh next to that.

I was 50.

Look, I have Tua too obvious.

Two obvious.

Well, he's got, he's, what, 50 million bucks on the books for 26?

That's the only problem is they're going to have to eat a ridiculous amount of money to get rid of him.

But then eventually they will.

I mean, he's, the truth is he will have that one season as the Patsy, and then he's a bit, Tua's a backup quarterback.

That is what he will be.

That video of the Browns guy.

saying, throw it to me, Tua, throw it to me, Tua, the Browns' safety.

It's before the snap.

He's like, throw it to me, Tua, throw it to me, Tua.

And then Tua throws it to him.

Oh, no.

Connie and he's going to

be like, and then he gets up and running with the ball.

And I thought he was going to freak out.

And he's just, he just repeats it like he did before the play.

Throw it to me, Tua, throw it to me, Taua.

Like, it was unbelievable.

How could you come back from a quarterback with that after that happens?

That's like you have to leave the team at that point.

You know, I almost wish to have gone to the press conference after and be like, you know,

starts with the leadership, guys are late to players only meetings.

Yeah.

I just, you know,

just keep saying it every week.

I think they have like, if they cut him post June one, they have like a $67 million dead hit.

So they're just going to have to eat that.

What's funny is throw it, throw it to me blank is something that I say when I'm watching the games when it's a bad QB and you have the other team and like from a betting standpoint.

And I think I was saying it at the same time as this guy.

It might

not have been the same scenario, but when Tua was in his own end zone, basically.

And he threw that pick to Cleveland in a 10, like when he went back to pass, it was like, throw it to me, Tua, throw it.

Like he's just, I think he's the throw it to me all-stars.

It's an incantation.

It's like what Van did this week or whatever the hell he was doing with trying to jinx LSU or whatever.

Like, I think maybe, I think that was the same vibe.

Well, the Manning, Arch Manning, is another throw it to me guy.

Man, throw it to me, Arch.

Come on.

All right.

I am.

Two to you, Bill.

Two to you.

I have to grab a hot seat guy, and there's only two left for the QBs that I really focused on.

I wish I could take them both.

You can't?

Oh, I guess you can.

I'm going to take Trevor Lawrence here.

It's just great value.

Yeah.

I just can't believe

some of the games he's had.

And then

I used to have a joke about the Portland Trollboys or soccer moms when I was writing, way back when, about how protective they were of their own players.

And I think the Jaguars fan base is like this with Trevor Lawrence.

It's everyone else's fault.

It's Brian Thomas Jr.

because

he won't catch balls over the middle and they're calling the wrong plays and the offensive line isn't good enough.

And meanwhile, this dude just sails balls over people's heads and makes terrible decisions and runs around aimlessly.

Runs past the line of scrimmage and then chucks a ball.

And if they had lost that Chiefs game, which they should have, I'd like this season would already be a wrap for them, but unfortunately, it's not.

Anyway, you know, remember the Lombardi rule of just like every NFL quarterback has to throw through the door and then the good ones can hit the doorknob and the, you know, the elite ones can hit the keyhole.

Yeah.

Trevor Lawrence, every quarter misses the door and breaks a window yes it's kind of that simple he just like is not accurate and and his receivers can't catch so it's just like a double whammy he's inaccurate and his receivers can't catch but he is accurate yeah like

i would have paid i don't know how much for video the rest of the jaguars team watching that commercial with him and travis hunter for adidas the footloast parody yeah What was that?

How did nobody stop that?

What is that commercial?

And then it runs all the time.

And you're like, how did nobody in either of these guys life just throw their bodies in front of this like did you have you even seen footloose uh i think a long time ago but yeah like and that is a deep cut that's a movie that came out in 1984 it's like let's parody footloose there needs to be some rule like you need to be an all-pro before you can be in a commercial there's shoving too many guys in commercials travis hunter being a commercial he's in multiple commercials We'll take a break.

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Baker.

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All right, come back with a draft.

I am going to tackle the team that will get the number one pick overall in 2026 category.

And with apologies to the Dolphins, Titans, and Saints,

I am going to take the 0-7 New York Jets.

Fair.

Because

I don't know what the move is.

Like, they could play Tyrod Taylor.

He had two interceptions

in a half.

Wilson's out for a little while.

It doesn't seem like the coach is good, which is a problem.

Yep.

And they're in a division with

Buffalo and the Patriots.

And

they just seem like the most reliable bet to me.

And you could nicely stack that with Aaron Glenn, first coach.

That would be a nice stack for you and your team.

I could definitely do that.

DK, you're up.

Okay, let's see here.

I just need to, I want to take this guy off the board.

And so I'm going to do.

Actually, no, I need to own something because I was in favor of Brock Bowers

this offseason, and he is the fantasy murderer of the year.

It's not all his fault because he got hurt.

Yeah, there's a question with murderers whether an injury is their fault.

Right.

But I think this was different because involuntary manslaughter if they get hurt.

Right, right.

But Trevin Henderson literally stabbed me to death.

Well, the problem with Brock Bowers is he was hurt for four extra weeks where you you had to start him, but he wasn't healthy.

And then they're finally like, he's hurt.

I find he's hurt.

We'll do points per game.

Brock Bowers has fewer points per game than Jake Tongas.

It was brutal having to play him.

He was limping around like Sean Penn at the end of one battle after another, just like for three weeks while you're still starting him.

So I paid $36 for him.

Am I not going to be able to do that?

I thought I was like, he's a $40 receiver.

I'm getting a discount at a position where there's no good people.

You pay $36.

He has under 36 points.

And believe it or not, Darren Waller matched it in like 36 snaps out of retirement.

I don't like these stats.

It just makes me feel terrible inside.

By the way, he had one good game, and it was that week one Pats game, which is going to be in the running for weirdest result of the year if the Raiders are like 3 and 14 and the Pats are like 13 and 4.

He'll be like, wait, what happened in week one?

I think part of the reason, too, that I wanted to highlight him, even though obviously like the injury is the big reason here, but the...

Raiders have been so much worse than I expected their offense to be.

Like they are uncompetitive on offense.

What was it?

They had 30 plays in this last game chiefs had 31 points raiders had 30 plays under 100 yards it's funny because you and me were complaining about pete carroll for the last couple years there crazy right and then he took then he took time off and then he and came back and seems just as incompetent here's the deal he got older weirdly yeah weirdly he's anything about him

we were complaining about him but then when he got fired or whatever that was that happened,

it was like you have this emotional connection to him and then you're kind of mad about it because they fired him.

Right.

But I, yeah, I thought he, I thought he was going to be, I thought he was going to turn this Raiders team around more much more quickly than this is happening.

I picked him to make the playoffs.

I was battling Colts versus Raiders versus Jags for that last spot in the AFC, and I couldn't get there with Danny Jones.

Carol might not be done in this draft.

He might be popping up again for all we know.

Craig's up.

I'm going with QB offseason hot seat guy.

I think this is the last guy in his tier, and I had him second.

I'm taking Kyler Murray.

Oh, I had him too.

Had him as well.

Craig, it's in red.

I'm stole it.

The worst place to be in the NFL is giving the big contract to a quarterback that you know can't do it.

And it's two us, Trevor Lawrence.

It's Brad B.

Deal in the NBA.

It's like, ah, we got to.

Trevor, Kyler, the Cardinals have the 27th most wins since Kyler was drafted.

That's just like they have zero playoff wins.

And they're way more competitive with Brissette.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Anytime there's a backup, the team seems fired up.

Yes.

What's great about this, so we had the QB hot seat guy, Lawrence Murray.

I have Lawrence.

Craig took Murray.

Danny has Tua.

And there's still great value in the board for hyphen.

I'm blown away.

You played this perfectly.

I was going to take someone right now, but then I'm like, I'm waiting.

I'm waiting.

I don't need to.

Wow.

I got to put it off.

Wow.

I'm shocked.

Okay.

In that case, I'll take fantasy MVP.

I'm going to go with,

there are a lot of good options here, too, but I'm going to just.

I'm going to just take a moment to talk about Christian McCaffrey from the 49.

Yeah, this sounds good.

And you could argue that maybe there's other guys because, you know, McCaffrey probably took in the first round and maybe there's other values.

But it's funny because all we talk about this year is Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan Taylor, Jonathan Taylor.

In full PPR leagues, Jonathan Taylor is not the number one running back.

Christian McCaffrey is the number one running back in full PPR leagues.

And I feel like it's not getting discussed.

Like McCaffrey's play with Mac Jones.

He is on pace for over 1,000 receiving yards.

He's third in the league in receptions.

He is, and he is 11 feet.

He's not receivers.

He has 11 fewer receiving yards than Justin Jefferson.

He's so good that when he's been so good this year, when it's like third and six, you're like, just in the play where you split McCaffrey out as a slot receiver.

Nobody's guarded him all year.

The craziest thing about it is, as good as McCaffrey's been this year, and I feel like everybody thinks about the 2023 Niner season when McCaffrey went crazy, he's having a better fantasy year this year than that year.

Yes, 2020.

He's three points per game.

He won offensive player of the year in the 2023 season, and I think he had like 590 receiving yards, 580.

He might pass that this week.

The only reason why I think like somebody like Taylor is better better is because McCaffrey was taken like sixth overall.

So you are, you are, this is what he's kind of supposed to be doing as opposed to guys like JSON.

Yeah, I guess the fantasy MVP thing is that like just who's been the most awesome or the value versus JSN and Jonathan Taylor, you could have had him and McCaffrey.

Well, not to get too meta here, but by your logic, Jonathan Taylor went in this draft like three rounds ago.

True.

Interesting.

True.

Yeah, because Taylor, you guys did not have him in the top five.

No way.

He was like a third rounder.

He's like top 20 guy.

Second rounder, third rounder.

I got him in the rear draft two quarterback league, but like the fourth round.

Yeah.

Hey, Fitz, you have one more.

Oh, yeah, I do.

I can't believe I get to just Sherry pick later.

I just want to point out nobody has picked in

offensive or defensive rookie of the year yet.

That category is wide open.

Yeah.

Because I think it's deep and I don't feel confident about who's going to win it.

Yeah.

It is deep.

I agree with that.

I will, in that case, I guess I might just.

dive in there and just or actually no no no i'm going to because i tried to bully him and then take him i know you did in that case all right we need to have a conversation for a second breakout star what does that mean of all these categories you sent i kind of just didn't know what that meant all right fairly because i will in that case i'm just gonna throw some interpretation just give us your pick it's cam scataboo for the new york giants i think that's fair like like it's somebody that you wasn't being discussed before the season as somebody who there would be lots of conversations about and now it's week seven and people are talking i think scataboo has

rocketed to fame more than anyone like including Drake May.

Drake May is like a better player and joining a higher category of quarterback, but Cam Scataboo is honestly one of the like, Bill, you always would talk about like the conversations around the game.

I don't know if online a player has actually been talked about more this season than Cam Scatabu.

The photos, he's like,

again,

my favorite thing about him, when he was a kid, he'd put on his older brother's shoulder pads and he would run into telephone poles.

Yeah.

And you hear that story and you're like, yeah, that totally makes sense.

He's just

a white running back.

I was texting you guys when, because I wanted the Pats to take him in the third round, and he just kept falling in the fourth round, and nobody could explain it because everybody liked him

and thought he was going to translate it.

But he's not slow, though.

When you watch him, like, he's got it.

He's got short area.

Once again, if the draft were on February 20th, it's like you watch him play at 1,900 yards in college.

He's good.

He doesn't win with speed.

He wins with power.

And he has enough acceleration.

to make the power work.

And these are NFL players.

And they're like, ah, he's a psychopath.

Yeah, he's a maniac.

He's a pit bull.

He's He's crazy.

I'm so not surprised by it.

He's throwing his head like a few yards into the end zone to take a guy.

Maniac.

He's crazy.

Oh, God.

Wow.

I can't believe I got a scatter move.

That's a really good pick.

Craig, you're up.

Next coach fired Aaron Glenn.

Yeah.

Kind of surprised that he was still there.

I think it gets tricky after him.

It does.

It definitely does.

I'll let DK figure out his pick here.

I'll just say it's funny that the Jets were like, yeah, we hope Aaron Glenn learned something from Dan Campbell.

And now it's like, you know, the other coach who started 0-7, Dan Campbell.

Oh, and 11.

Well, we did, I did this on Sunday's Pot because I looked this up.

And somehow it's harder to look up stuff now now that everybody puts AI in the Google, like just it spits out weird stuff.

But Cam Cameron's 0-13, I had forgotten about.

It was in the mid-2000s on the Dolphins.

0-13 stars.

The Dolphins quietly have had some of it.

I mean, that Nick

Sabin, like, I mean, man.

DK here.

So there's some good options in this one, but I'm just going to go with it.

I'm going to go with the team that will get the number one pick, the Titans.

They have

pretty comfortably the hardest schedule of the zero and one win teams right now.

They have to face the Colts, Chargers, Texans, Seahawks, Jags, Browns, 49ers, Chiefs, Saints, and then the Jags again.

I could maybe find like two wins in there.

Maybe.

I looked at them too.

It is crazy because everyone,

everyone thought like the AFC South was probably going to be bad.

Right.

Now it might have a 14-win team, right?

The Jags are frisky, he's just got a killer defense, yeah, exactly.

So, I think this is also a team with an interim coach that nobody really believes in, a rookie quarterback.

There's no skilled player talent right now.

I like when teams are like, listen, Jeffrey Simmons, no way we're trading him.

It's like, why not?

He's in his late 20s.

Like, why wouldn't you trade him for you get some like a first and a third for him?

I would do that in five seconds.

Dude, this all the time.

I mean, Max Crosby.

Bill Barman.

Max Crosby's another one.

Yeah, like years ago, like Max Crosby, I'm like, you could have got two firsts for Max Crosby if they traded him two years ago.

And

the teams don't want to get rid of guys competitively, but like they never want to do it.

I have my eye on Simmons for the Pats.

Brable connection.

I don't think they traded with Brabel, but I think he's potentially the best guy that could be.

For Jeff Simmons?

Or Crosby.

Even in the one quarter he played against the Pats, he was like disruptive.

And then he went out and he became a lot easier.

Wow, he is is 28 already.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I just like, when are you going to be good again, Tennessee?

Yeah.

You know?

DK, was that your pick?

That was my pick.

Yeah.

You're up.

Oh, so I have two.

Okay.

Let's do.

Do I have to?

Oh, you know what?

I'm going to bang out an offensive or defensive rookie of the year.

And the odds are pretty high for everybody because there's no favorite.

There's so much,

so much consensus.

I mean, so much lack of consensus.

I'm going to take Tyler Warren.

Nice.

Even though Eggbuka has been awesome and Dart will have some sexiness because he's a QB in a New York market.

But I just think Tyler Warren's like, honestly, one of the best football players.

Could he be the clearly team all-pro as a tight end?

Yeah.

It's so clearly obvious that he's good immediately upon getting on the field.

Nobody can tackle him.

They can line him up everywhere.

I love when tight ends can be used as like a running back every once in a while or a slot receiver.

We had that with early Gronk, where you could kind of just put them around the field and you could just see the defense like, oh, fuck.

They spread him out wide.

And I don't think a tight end has ever won offensive rookie of the year.

No, I mean, Bowers had the most catches, like the second most catches ever for any rookie.

It didn't even win rookie of the year last year.

Yeah.

All right.

So then I'm going coach of the year.

Heifits already as Rabel and

DK already has steichen.

I think the only guy left who can win this is Kyle Shanahan.

And I'm going to grab him.

I think he's seven and one on FanDuel.

Five and two.

He's turned Mac Jones into somebody that is probably going to get like a $20 million a year contract from somebody at some point and be terrible when he gets it.

All the injuries, the fact the way they showed up for this last game with nobody on defense and just dudes I've never ever heard of in my life.

Shanahan does this shit every year.

Shanahan's does receivers.

So Kendrick Bourne and Mac Jones.

I think the craziest Shanahan stat is the Nick Mullins stat.

Oh, yeah.

My favorite.

The most yards in the first 16 games of your career, it's Mahomes and then Nick Mullins.

And then it's like Andrew Love, Kirk Warner, and Tony Romo.

The most yards in the first 16 games of your career: Patrick Mahomes, and then fucking Nick Mullins because of Kyle Shanahan.

That's unbelievable.

That's crazy.

Yeah.

DK, you're up.

Okay, this is the guy I wanted to get off the board here.

So I'm going to go

breakout star.

Yeah.

Igbuka.

Yeah.

Amika Igbuka, who is only his case is probably only going to get stronger going forward here, obviously, because

he seems like the greatest guy, too.

Like, I think I'd vote for him for president in 28 if he decided to get the right partner.

Everybody loves him.

How are you a captain as a rookie?

That's like impossible.

It'd be like if when Heifitz joined as an intern, we're like, Hey, you're now a captain.

He's got it.

This kid's got something.

Yeah.

He's a leader.

um so and also by the way with mike evans likely missing most of the season ambuka is going to be their you know pretty clear cut number one um it's only going up for him so and obviously i trust mayfield to feed him the rest of the season i really like tez too i know i do too his story is the whole thing with him and bonix's family that's like the the kind of the story that hasn't gotten enough play is really cool really really cool but that guy I thought Mayfield was awful on Monday night.

I thought he missed a lot of throws.

He missed Tez in the end zone at one point, but I thought Tez was open most of that game.

Tez also thinking the MVP chance were for him a couple weeks ago is one of the funny things a player said all year.

He's good.

It's just genuinely awful.

Buka's lights out.

He's been lights out.

I remember when we talked in the My Guy stuff and you guys were saying, like, in guillotine, be careful with young guys, rookies.

It takes a while.

Abuca came in.

He had two touchdowns in his first game.

He's immediately awesome.

Yeah.

Craig, you're up.

I think I'm just going to take Jackson Dart for offensive rookie of the year.

Yeah, that's the right pick because I'm shocked, DKU, went with breakout of the year for Abuka and not Rookie of the Year.

Because

just because I was because I think Dart's dart's gonna win it

okay well he has dart now yeah i so dart the reason i left dart this long is my only con obviously dart's the favorite my concern is the giants the hardest schedule remaining in the nfl and i feel like they'll lose a lot of games and i also kind of wonder if dart's gonna just get hurt i just i just i was gonna say the bigger concern to me is he's he's a maniac like they need to run psas for him and show him all quarterbacks have taken dumb hits he's gonna get hurt like eight yards past the line of scrimmage trying to juke three three guys as some linebacker hits him from behind.

He just doesn't care.

This is Dable's toxic trade as a coach is that

Josh Allen had no sense of self-preservation earlier in his career when he played for Brian Dable.

Daniel Jones,

we kept joking that we thought Dable was trying to get Daniel Jones hurt because Daniel Jones took so many hits.

And that's why Giants fans have no bad blood with Daniel Jones is he put his body on the line to the Giants.

Like he would always take hits.

And now it's dark.

And it's like, goal line.

Important third downs.

You can't take hits getting the extra yard on its first and 10.

And you're going for three yards and you're taking hit to your four.

Drake May figured it out this year.

They might, I'm convinced.

So, Drake May has a body for it.

Dart is a little bit slicy.

He's a good runner, but he just go down.

Yeah, but he just he's he's friends with, you know, I don't think maybe it's maybe it's you know that Cam Scataboo.

Maybe he can rubbing off on maybe Scataboo will tell literally with his face.

Human smelling salts, yeah, rubbing their faces at each other.

What's your other pick?

No, it's two to Heifitz now.

Oh, it's two to me.

Oh, I thought you took Jackson Dart.

I wish.

Oh, you took Jackson Dart.

Good pick.

pick.

I, yeah, I really, I was definitely going to make that pick if you didn't like that.

I forgot who took a pick.

Like,

like, put it in a polon mccallum.

That we have gently now.

Damn.

So, the rookie of the year now, now, that's that's what we're getting.

Well, Travian Henderson is still there.

He's a hundred goats.

I can go defense.

That is true.

Um, the defensive rookie of the year list was really grim.

Yeah, it's, it is, I'm not going to go defensive rookie of the year because I think everyone voting is going to be like, wow, I don't know.

I think everyone looks that up.

The voters looked that up in like December 20th.

Yeah, like PFF stats and stuff.

Yeah, they just sort by grade.

I, man, so you have Darth Abuca and Warren are gone.

Part of me, I guess the only answer left here is it's crazy to say this, but I mean, Quinnshawn Judkins.

I honestly have no idea if he'll win the award because of the off-field stuff.

But the other rookies.

It's the Browns.

It's the Browns.

They have an easy schedule remaining, but I mean, he's printing pretty good.

He looks good.

I don't feel great about this pick.

It's probably my.

oh henderson's gone that's too bad you're right no no you could still take him in a different category right no that's how it works oh if i took henderson in one category can no one take him in another no it's just for that category

we can double up yeah oh okay okay so like like jackson smith and jigma could be fantasy mvp and breakout star on different teams oh then i'll take the mecha abuka for rookie of the year oh my god

yeah that's what i was saying when i want to take him off the board well glad i clarified that thanks wow that's then that's definitely yeah i mean it's everything dicky said yeah mike evans is like it's just if Ibuka is banged up, so a dark guy should be eligible for 2K.

I think so, too.

Yeah, perfect.

Then, yeah, then I think, oh, DK, I kind of screwed you there.

Yeah, I haven't told me that.

It's his fault.

I was wrong.

But yeah, I mean, Ibuka is amazing.

So, you got a second one now.

The second one, I will,

I think I,

I've, I think I got to dive into Fantasy Murderer here.

And, um, man, there's some, there's some great picks here.

There's two guys left that I'm, I'm perfectly happy with,

but

I think I have to take Brian Thomas Jr.

from the Jaguars.

He's a brutal.

He's been brutal.

I thought I was going to get him.

And it's because A.J.

Brown, you know, has been bad too, but A.J.

Brown has had a great game.

Here's the difference.

Brian Thomas, you took him in the second round.

If you didn't know anything about the Jaguars, and Bill, if I told you there was a receiver on the Jacksonville Jaguars who also plays cornerback and doesn't really practice with the offense that much.

Yeah.

You'd think it was Brian Thomas.

Also, like if somebody just told you oh the the jags are four and three this year they beat the chiefs you'd be like oh my god brian thomas must be going crazy he must be doing great

it's i feel like i've watched too much of the jags but i also have him on multiple fantasy teams

and it's it's not just that he's not it's not a situation where the quarterbacks screw him over like he's just dropping balls too it's a combo of when he is open he's overthrown or he drops it The scenario is always bad.

And last year, it just felt like he was just beating guys downfield over and over again and getting wide open.

And I don't know what happened to that guy.

Yep.

Really weird.

I don't understand at all.

You got one more pick.

No, because I took a boot.

Oh, yeah.

All right, Craig's up.

I'm going to go with.

God.

I'm going to go with a team that'll get the number one pick in the draft.

And I'm going to take the Miami Dolphins.

There you go.

But they're so hot right now.

They only have three easy games left.

Saints, Jets, and Bengals, if you even count the Bengals at this point.

I'm like, I think the Saints are better.

I think the Bengals are better.

It's brutal.

I don't know if he's going to be playing the rest of the year.

They might fire Mike McDaniel.

Like, this team might just completely quit.

I think it's the right pick.

So we have, I took the Jets, you have Miami, and DK has Tennessee.

Yeah.

So really, the Saints

or Vegas are just sitting there.

Vegas, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

What do you got, Danny?

All right, I'm going to go with MVP, Josh Allen.

It's pretty good value this one draft.

Josh Allen.

I forgot about Josh Allen.

I'm really upset I took Stafford like five rounds.

I was surprised by that.

Yeah, I doubt it.

You don't get the odds.

I panicked because I forgot I was doing two picks in a row.

In addition to being

an absolute alien,

the Bills have a pretty easy schedule down the line.

So,

you know, and again, he's...

He's this alien quarterback who can run around and do all the most insane physical things, but he also doesn't have the benefit, or I think narratively, he doesn't have like a number one receiver.

You know, he doesn't have a superstar running back.

Yeah.

He doesn't have an elite defense.

And so it does feel like the team, he's just putting the team on his shoulder, even though I think they're solid across the board.

You know what I mean?

It just feels like he is elevating them.

I really wanted him.

And if you look at his next few games,

like they're, I mean, they just have some cream puffs left.

Both, but the AFC East really like that.

At least they have to play Philadelphia in week 17, and they're at Houston.

But yeah, I think

Josh Allen's kind of been under the radar this year, all these other stories, and it does feel like we're

due.

Pussy's got the Oscars coming up.

Maybe his wife gets nominated.

Okay.

Yeah, that was a good pick.

Thank you.

So I only have a couple ones left here.

Oh, yeah.

So I need to do my fantasy MVP.

So Craig took JSN.

Heifits took McCaffrey.

Danny took Taylor.

Man, this is tough because I was between Mahomes and Dak.

Mm-hmm.

I think it's Dak.

No.

You could make an argument he's been one of the most valuable picks because of where you could get him.

I think in general, if you could pick a team, you should just say Dallas.

I mean, the fact that Pickens, Javante Williams, out of nowhere, and Dak, they've all been so good.

Fergus, Jake Ferguson's like the number one tight end in fantasy.

Everybody's cleaning up.

Dak, if you extend the grace of what he's done for them overall, is probably the correct answer.

I still kind of breaking the rules, but yeah.

He's also been awesome.

He's been incredibly good.

I think him and May are playing consistently the best on throws.

Like, just the guys are in stride all the time.

The deep balls, everything.

Big time throws.

Big time throws.

Big time throws.

That game he had against Green Bay, I thought it was the best quarterback game I've seen this year.

The three of us couldn't watch that.

It was at 5 a.m.

in Dublin.

So we actually literally had to go.

It's hard to watch internet, like when you're out of the country with the geolocating.

They got good at those.

So we were just following the box score live.

I was like, wow, everyone's playing great in this game.

So I'm the only one who didn't have most valuable player.

Craig took Mahomes.

Eiffets took Stafford.

Danny took Allen.

I mean, come on.

It's sitting right there for me.

Well, a week ago, I would have taken Mayfield, but Evans has gone for.

I think that's a mountain too high.

Are you going to pretend you're not going to do it?

It's a different.

Stop dancing in the backfield.

Not Mayfield.

Just do it.

A different man.

I looked at Jonathan Taylor, but running backs never winning.

Oh, my God.

Running backs are trying to win.

Come on.

Running backs never win.

Why are you pretending?

What are we doing?

You're trying to show that he's not.

He's not edging me.

This is plausible deniability.

Come on.

Jared got to the end.

Get the fuck out of here.

You're not winning.

Stop edging me.

Tell us about Jackson Smith and Jake.

He's goony.

Jack Prescott, they're going to win nine games.

It's like the game of throws.

The guy's on fire.

He's like, kill me.

I'm going to do it.

Damian Jones, 22 to 1.

He's not winning.

Okay.

Jordan Love is even more.

Anyway, your next pick, DK.

Lamar, 33-1.

That's not bad.

Drake May, third best odds, 7-1.

And does fit that top two seed thing if they can beat Buffalo again.

I hate to say it.

He does.

Yeah.

That's funny.

Fourth best odds.

I wanted Allen, but I think that's the right.

You could go back to Daniel Jones or Jonathan Taylor.

I don't know.

Toss-up.

You know, Colts, you picked Colts for one seed, so by that logic, you know.

And then I think I have Fantasy Murderer left.

This is my last category.

Right?

Yeah.

Trayvion, Brian Thomas, and Brock Bowers have been taken.

This is really tough because I wanted to take Garrett Wilson, but his stats actually aren't that bad.

He started really well.

It just feels philosophically like it should be him.

Yeah.

More because he was a murderer last year, so he's like a double murderer.

I think he's his fault.

He's like a murder victim.

He's just been like the worst.

You could take Fields.

Fields has been super up and down, ruined a lot of people.

Yeah, but anyone who's like, I'm devoting my fantasy season Justin Fields, like you have to spend a certain amount of a high pick on a player.

Like, that's why I think Henderson's as low as you can go.

That still is a murderer because you reach for this fourth run guy and he's the only hype.

But it has to be a high pick.

Did we mention Saquon?

Saquon, I think.

Saquon and Derrick Henry are eligible, I think.

Henry got dinged because of Lamar getting hurt.

Saquon's literally.

Saquon has literally done almost exactly half of what he did last year.

He's the RB18.

Well, so I think Saquon is my pick.

I did look at Nico Collins too, because I paid $50 for him.

He has not been a fifth throw guy, but he is scoring touchdowns in some of the games.

That's not really awful.

And then the only other one I was thinking was Genti just because he was being treated like a top five guy.

But I think it has to be Barkley.

I mean, Barkley was...

I mean, you took him first overall.

Yeah.

And he was supposed to be a sure thing.

There's no doubt about this guy.

And it's funny that the person who's actually made people the anchorist this season that we've heard about is probably A.J.

Brown.

And a different Eagle got picked.

And AJ Brown didn't get picked.

That's because the last A.J.

Brown has been kind of on the upside.

But are people mad at AJ Brown or are they mad at that they don't throw AJ Brown?

They're mad at the Eagles.

Right.

Okay.

Danny, you're up.

And it looks like.

So I've got, I still have to do offensive, defensive, rookie of the year.

And I kind of fuck myself on this one because now all the good, good, the good players are taken.

I'm going to go off the board here.

I'm going to take like a sleeper.

And I'm going to say Travis Hunter, who is trending in the right direction he plays on both sides of the ball if he finishes strong like so last week he had eight catches for 101 yards the game was over for two hours i know but he started late i know but the if you combine like the brian thomas stuff him trending in the exact wrong direction right travis hunter they're playing him more and more on offense now he had um

if you look at kind of some of like his snaps and target rates on offense they're all going in the right direction so this is more like a prediction of what's going to happen and a narrative pick because he's the number two pick.

He plays both sides of the football.

Obviously, it looks terrible right now, but if in 10 weeks from now or whatever, we're talking about Travis Hunter

having 80 to 100 yards a game and is emerging as their number one receiver, that narratively, I think, will pay off.

But obviously, I don't feel great about it right now.

Gladstone's texting Liam Cohen, like, we're getting fucking killed.

Throw some screens to Hunter.

Boost the stats.

Craig, you're up.

I'm going to take the Patriots as the one seed in the AFC.

They're 5-2.

They have the easiest schedule in the league.

I think 12 wins me.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

I guess I'll just be the

deep cut here.

I'll do this.

I don't know if you guys have heard of this team, but I'm going to take the Kansas City Chiefs to be the one seed in the AFC, the best team in football.

That's totally, I think that's, I thought about it, but they already have three losses.

They They have some hard.

They can basically only lose two games to have a shot the rest of the season.

And I think they will.

The Chiefs are going to, I think that, look,

the Mahomes thing for MVP, I'm jealous.

Mahomes' 11 touchdowns and one pick in last month.

They're going to go into Warpath.

They're also the healthiest good team.

They play the Colts.

So if they win that game, they make that up right there.

And I just play the Colts.

They play the Bills.

They play the Broncos twice still.

They have Houston, LI Chargers.

I'm not worried about them playing the Broncos.

Cowboys.

The Chiefs, eight teams in the AFC are between six and four wins.

And the Chiefs, to me, are clearly the best of the eight.

I think it's a red pick.

You have one more.

I have one more here.

And so I guess now I double dip.

I have to dip into the categories that you guys just left to me.

Yeah.

There's one boring one left and one, the quarterback offseason hot seat or teams that get the one pick, Bill.

What do you want to?

You don't care?

You can do whatever you want to do.

I have to, I am so thrilled that you guys left me J.J.

McCarthy for the Vikings as the quarterback offseason hot seat.

Wow.

This guy,

like the Vikings had a very difficult situation to decision where do you pay Darnold $30, $40 million a year or do you go with McCarthy?

And that's a hard decision.

So it's not back Monday morning quarterbacking, but they clearly made the wrong decision.

Yeah.

Because Darnold is playing.

I mean, last time it was tough, but Darnold's playing overall totally, really well for Seattle.

Right.

And then on the other hand, McCarthy, I agree with what you were saying on Sunday, Bill.

We all wonder if the McCarthy ankle thing was a shadow benching.

There's probably some kind of injury there, but I'm like, they are hiding this guy.

And also, the Vikings to this point in the season had the easiest schedule in the nfl the vikings going forward have the hardest schedule in the nfl so mccarthy comes back he's going to get rocked he's clearly not ready for the nfl and the vikings are a win-now team the timelines are totally mismanaged he's not going to play well and if he doesn't the whole offseason is going to be what do the vikings do we're going to go in with just jg mccarthy again they had daniel jones last year let him go they had sam darnold they let him go and like

He has more pressure on him than any quarterback going into next year.

It's the longest high ankle sprain, I think, in recorded american history it's like six weeks now it's like i see

i mean we have so much good technology it basically means you would have to have a stress fracture in your ankle to not be well they're in just clearly a no rush but he also looked horrible and unprepared on that sunday night football game it was the same night as the emmys and it was like you know

the

he just looks not ready but the vikings aren't funny that he's basically one to no

Yeah.

Well, well, also, you have that post-game locker in speech with

O'Connell.

It's like, this guy, we never gave up on him.

And McCartney's like, yeah, yeah.

But also, he has the highlight of his year.

Do you ever have any friends who had a girlfriend, but like, they were never there?

They were never around.

Like, you never met him.

Like, there's always some reason.

She goes to a different school.

Yeah, he goes to different schools.

She's in Canada.

It's like, oh, yeah, last year.

What happened to this rookie?

Yeah, this midiscus thing.

He's the only rookie.

And it's like, oh, where's he now?

He's got like a high ankle sprain.

Like, he's never there.

When are we going to meet him?

I know.

Crazy.

I'm going to take Coach of the Year.

Wait, wait, can I interrupt on the high feds thing for a second?

I'd like to apologize to CJ Stroud for not getting drafted for QB offseason Nazi guy home.

I certainly thought about it.

I almost took him over Lawrence.

That's, are we sure he shouldn't take the blame?

Well, I'm not saying he shouldn't.

Did you like anything he did in that game history?

Like, how many times can you blame the offensive line?

He hasn't been good since his rookie year.

Like, the last two seasons, he's been genuinely bad.

The Trevor Lawrence point that you made about everyone's creating excuses around Trevor Lawrence, it's kind of the same for Stroud.

The offensive line is a disaster.

It's like maybe this play collar is also bad.

But

I thought their defense was awesome.

And the only times the Seahawks moved the ball is like JSN was incredible or they had like crazy field position.

I mean, Texans were like

there was like 10 guys hats on the ball.

There are three defenses that are actually good at all three levels.

Yeah.

And those were two of them.

Like they have to be so mad at the offense.

Like, what the fuck?

He might just be so gun shy now and just scared in the pocket because he just, I mean, he just gets drilled on every single player.

The Texans' offensive line was so bad last year that they actually just swapped in like five guys and changed everything.

Like, give me the risk.

I've never seen a headline that was like the head coach being like i deny that there's a toxic culture in an offensive line room like i'm like i don't yeah

and it but it's just it doesn't have it's akin's razor like the line sucks yep

um sorry sorry craig you're up all good i'm taking

coach of the year fell to me i really like these odds mike mcdonald seattle seahawks i love that

if they win the division with Sam Darnold, year one,

12 wins or something like that, absolutely Mike McDonald can win coach of the year.

That's that's I had him like my fourth spot.

The only thing he could give a speech about, I'm sorry, I was such a puss in week one,

and then later that other game.

I don't think he'll use that word.

Okay, he seems a little bit too, you know, straight-laced.

Well, now he believes in the team.

When he went for it in fourth and two, it was a turning point.

Yeah.

It's like, I believe in you guys.

They should be seven and oh, Seattle.

They're really good.

Well, the problem, the only thing holding him back, and I agree, I agree that like he's done a really good job.

And the off-season decisions, that's something we talked about with Steichen.

You're making these really momentous off-season decisions.

They're trading away DK McCaffrey.

They're trading away Gino.

And all those decisions look really smart.

So that is going to help him.

But the only thing holding him back is Seahawks won 10 games last year.

So that's generally the coach of the year is like you're bad and then good.

But I like that.

It's also Coach of the Year is the stupidest award there is.

It's a narrative award.

The Coach of the Year's award is called the Lombardi Trophy.

Sure.

It's the dumbest thing ever, like a regular season Coach of the Year award.

I'm only down to, I got a five.

We have one more, I think, right so i got i i have to go with the one seed i'm going with the bills seventh easiest probably right according to warren sharp very smart and obviously i'm doubling i'm like stacking here with josh allen mvp so yeah okay

and then i'm up yeah why do i have

pause this for one second i have one more right

I feel it.

Maybe I went like three times in a row.

Are you done?

I have picks for every pick.

did you pick next coach fired

i oh i wrote

next coach fired okay neither does dk yep yes i think that's my last one yeah but but he should have two bill should have two i should have two i must have done you don't have break you don't have fantasy mvp

who did you took for fantasy mvp i took dak dak right

and then

somehow i went twice high fits only has team that will get the number one bill did uh yeah some yeah maybe bill went three times in a row so just go once then Bill.

No, because we all have, well, I don't know.

Whatever.

I do have Bill.

I do have.

Oh, wait, no, no, no.

Bill, you don't have coach coach of the year.

He took Shanahan, right?

No, he took.

Oh, yeah, yeah, you took Shanahan.

Okay.

Yeah.

Bill took Shanahan.

All right.

So

I have no idea.

I don't know.

You just got to go once and then we'll swing back.

Pretty exciting.

So I have Next Coach Fired as my last one.

Yeah.

Okay.

And I will do.

Okay.

All right, coming back.

We,

oh, oh, I'll do it differently.

All right, I'm up with next coach fired.

And somehow, this is my last pick.

So, we think maybe I did three picks in a row at some point.

I'm making fun of Pete Carroll, and I've just somehow tripled up on my spot.

I mean, you remember the 1976 Mariners being introduced, but I will say the first in Ringer 107, you change the lines of the Broncos game and in like

there's cheating allegations.

There's no cheating.

There's an active investigation.

We lost the pick anyway.

How do you feel about

it?

How do you feel about us three in first place, Ringer 107?

Won't last for much longer.

Wait, what is the name you said this morning?

We're with the gambling contest, we're tied for first, and you said we would come in last.

The happy Gilmore when he's like, the pathetic thing is you've been doing this your whole life.

I thought you'd come in last.

I didn't know Sheil was going to get bit by a black widow spider.

What's the great about it is we legitimately spend like three minutes a week.

That's the way to do it.

It's like not, it's great.

We're like the people who draft our teams in February.

You're like the internet.

Every week we're like, should we just take the Colts again?

And they're like, yeah, let's it.

Smart.

Next coach fired.

I got to do it.

John Harbaugh.

Yeah.

I like it.

John Harbaugh.

Yeah.

Lamar's been hurt.

I think if this goes badly this year, Lamar comes back and is like, oh, they're going to be fine.

They're going to make it.

And if it goes badly the next five weeks.

I agree that John Harbaugh has at various times been closer to getting fired than you would think.

Yes.

But

there actually hasn't been a coach quarterback pairing that's won a Super Bowl that took longer than five years.

Having said that, firing John Harbaugh

after

the most injured season the Ravens have had in 10 years, and they've had two bad seasons in 17 years under Harbaugh.

He would then probably get his salary doubled to be replaced.

Like the Browns or Bengals would just fire their coaches.

We live in Harvard where Andy Reid got fired after one 6-10 Eagles season, and people are like, he's done, can't coach anymore.

I'm just, I think it's on the table.

They've never won, they've never made the Super Bowl with him and Lamar.

They're having a bad season.

If you're ever going to press the eject button, this would be it.

And I couldn't come up with a better coach idea.

It is hard actually.

After Danny goes, we'll have to go through who didn't get picked.

So, yeah, and I also have a problem.

I have like,

I probably messed myself up by not picking this earlier, but I think the reason I didn't is because I'm kind of going out of left field too.

I'll put Jonathan Gannon for the Cardinals.

So he was the other guy I was looking at.

And I just, I think it's more of just like a vibes and lack of progress thing that would be the reason.

I don't feel strongly that he's like deserves to get fired, but I think just.

I had him on the list.

Yeah.

I had him on the list.

I do feel like that team has played reasonably hard for him.

It just seems like they're like a 50-minute team and they seem to run out of gas.

I feel like it's a Jonathan Gannon problem.

No, I agree.

That's the thing.

There's not a lot of next coach fired candidates.

No.

I mean, the only thing

I've got to do is

McDaniel with the first pick in this whole thing.

Part of of me thought if the Giants were really bad, they could fire Dable.

I'm shocked nobody took Dable.

I think Dable bought himself time, which is exactly what you do when you've got he's tied in with Dart.

They got something going.

I'd be surprised if they fired him.

You'd be more surprised if the Giants fired Brian Dable at the end of the season than the Ravens firing John Harbaugh.

No.

I think it's like even for me.

I think this Ravens season could go really badly where they're just like, we've got to figure out something new here.

You know what I mean?

If it's ever going to happen, it's a year like this, where it's like the year from from hell.

And then there's got to be a fall guy.

Cause the other, that's the other thing that happens with this stuff is people start,

there's like the political stuff and it's like, well, somebody's going to get blamed.

Maybe it's this guy's fault.

And that's when the finger pointing.

Also, isn't there, there's an impression among some people in the NFL that like, if you've been there a certain amount of years, like the message just doesn't come through anymore.

Right.

I don't know what the Ravens feel about that, but that was part of the reason like this, the Pete Carroll thing ended in Seattle.

Right.

At some point,

you've taken us as far as you can.

We don't listen to all the stuff that you

profess every practice or whatever.

It's like it just kind of like gets,

you just get down to it.

But you're right, John Harbo should have got a medical degree in the last six weeks and just fixed everyone.

That immediately their profits is fascinating about John Harbo.

Teams get hurt.

It's like my 39th pick in the draft.

Fair enough.

Welcome to my homer, Jonathan Gaynon.

Fair enough.

I couldn't even come up with another idea.

I have to deal with this four times a week.

That's true.

The fact that hasn't killed me by now.

I feel like the Dart Dayball thing really bought Dayball another year.

I do too.

Yeah, we'll see, but when they're winning, but now they had the worst four.

They were allowed 33 points in a fourth quarter.

Shane Bowen, the defensive quarters, that could be proficient in the next month.

Who Craig?

Craig, you're up.

My last category is breakout star.

I'm happy to just fall back on Jackson Dart.

Yep.

Yeah.

Smart.

Did no one put Daniel Jones?

Does that not count?

I thought about it.

Yeah, they would have qualified.

I just think Dart.

He's a character.

Well, also, compared to what everybody thought about him coming in, I mean,

I think 1% of people thought he was going to be a starter in the NFL.

And not only is he going to be a starter, but he looks great for having played six games, five games.

It's thrilling.

So Heifitz has the last pick, and it's team that will get the number one pick in Jets, Miami, and Tennessee off the board.

My cup runneth over getting to pick between the Raiders and the Saints.

This is unbelievable.

It's pretty nice.

I mean, I this is

the best.

I mean, they're all good off.

I mean, there's like five terrible teams.

Everyone's going to get a good one.

I have many thoughts here.

I think the Saints are kind of competent.

For that reason,

I'm taking the Raiders because I can't get over the fact that they had allowed more points than had Rand plays.

No, that's really brutal.

I think they threw that game away, though.

Like, they knew Bowers wasn't playing.

They knew they were going to lose to the Chiefs.

It felt like a rollover.

Yeah.

They're going on bye.

Well, it's really early to roll over.

It's not even Halloween.

I don't think the Raiders are going to have the first pick.

I think

Kamal Harris maybe will come in and just take over in the middle of the season.

Be careful.

Yeah, you're right.

What was the other option?

The Saints.

What?

So you didn't support that decision by the Democratic Party?

You know, sometimes the timing, you know?

Yeah.

She had 100 days.

Sal was saying that he named the ringer 107.

All right.

She had 107 days.

People have asked why it's 107 instead of 103 because the correct number is 103 for five.

Is that right?

Well, because we're putting props in.

The extra games are when we get to the playoffs, playoffs it's going to be props plus the games yeah i don't know why everyone just doesn't know that immediately yeah i don't know why they didn't ask i'm right here they could ask me standards right here

here's the case for the saints

it seems like they might want the number one pick because there's already been

i don't think rattler's that bad he was bad in chicago outdoors whatever the bears defense is actually like pretty good but for the most part he's not bad yeah if they replace him with shuck my shit detector is going off that could be one of those oh i see what you guys are up to I think the Saints, the same reason they roll the cap over every year, they don't do that.

Mickey Loomis, who runs the team, who's for reasons we don't have to get into quietly as

entrenched as anybody in the league.

Yeah.

They just, the deal is that they'll be competitive for Gail Benson, who owns the team, and the deal is working.

So, your case is they're not competent enough to even plan a tanking strategy.

No, the Dolphins can't.

I don't think that way.

So, I'm going to recap the draft.

I'm not going to say everybody's name before each pick, but I'll just.

I went first.

No.

Danny went first.

Me second.

Wait, why did I do it this way?

I'll just do it this way.

Yeah.

I'll go me, Craig, Heifitz, Kelly in these orders, right?

So I'm first, Craig second, Heifitz third, Danny fourth.

Most valuable player, May, Mahomes, Stafford, Allen.

Coach of the Year, Shanahan, McDonald, Vrabel, Steichen.

Offensive, Defensive Rookie of the Year, Warren, Dart, Igbuka, Travis Hunter.

Oh, why not?

Very exciting exciting pick.

Next coach fired.

Harbaugh, Glenn, McDaniel, Gannon, breakout star, Drake May, picked twice by me.

That was great.

I love how that worked out.

Yeah.

Dart, Scataboo, Igbuka.

Who wasn't picked in that category?

Which one?

Breakout star.

Dan Jones.

Warren wasn't?

Warren probably had a case.

He's probably upset.

What about Dowdle?

Dowdle.

QB offseason hot seat guy.

Rogers.

A re-breakout.

QB offseason hot seat Lawrence Murray McCarthy Tua apologies to Stroud he can't believe he didn't get drafted honorable mention Stroud one seed AFC or NFC I took Indy Craig had the Pats Heifitz had the Chiefs and Danny had Buffalo I think those are four good picks yeah what's interesting is no NFC teams yeah

we all passed on Philly yeah well because it's like Detroit's there Green Bay's there there's a lot Eagles have the third hardest remaining schedule also yeah I think we all saw it the same way it's like

I also thought Dan Campbell would get a coach of the year pick because of the Lions without imaging Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn and all the injuries, and they get the one seed anyway.

I think he has the fourth best odds.

I got to say, for one seed, I did have Seattle as my fifth backup.

Yeah, okay.

Just because I, I,

you know, team that will get the number one pick: Jets, Miami, Vegas, Tennessee.

No surprise there.

Fantasy MVP.

I had Dak.

Craig had JSN.

Heifitz had McCaffrey and Danny had Taylor.

And then the most important, the best picture award nominee for this, for this thing, Fantasy Murder of the Year, Barkley, Henderson, Thomas Jr., and Bowers were the big four.

Bowers is the only one I feel kind of bad about because he did get hurt, but they also didn't tell us he was hurt for five weeks.

All right, we're going to go after we do one crazy prediction.

Hi, Fitz.

What's your craziest prediction for the rest of the year?

I feel like Joe Flacco is going to play so well for the Bengals that they're actually, we're going to have a debate whether Joe Burrow should even go back.

Stop.

This is kidding.

It was crazy.

Obviously, like healthy Joe Burrow is better.

I'm just saying, like, you said craziest prediction.

The single craziest thing is the hottest ticket.

I will say there is online discourse that now Burrow is a system quarterback.

Burrow is a system quarterback.

Flacco, dice him up.

Flacco's like, wait, just throw it to Chase.

This is so easy.

23 targets to Jamar Chase.

Obviously, Joe Burrow healthy is like one of the best players in the entire league and would be a question.

I think if Joe Flacco, I actually kind of wonder.

Obviously, maybe the Steelers are just idiots and couldn't like cover Jamar Chase for some reason.

That's 23rd target.

But if Flacco keeps this up and the whole idea is if you just get a good enough record to get to Burroughs returning in December, that he can finish out the season Bengals can make the playoffs.

If Flacco does that, if they go like eight and three or whatever in the next 11 weeks or whatever, who's going to be better?

Joe Flacco having won seven of his last nine games or Joe Burrows rushing back from an injury with three months of rust.

And imagine if Burrow comes back and then like doesn't play well because he's hurt and rusty and everyone's going to be like,

damn, should Flacco play next week?

I kind of think this will happen.

It's pretty good.

It definitely won't.

It's going to be a crazy donation.

It's a good hot take.

Craig was jealous of it.

Yeah, yeah.

I know.

Mine's not as hot as that.

What do you got, Craig?

Mine is more offseason, but I think the Steelers are going to re-sign Aaron Rodgers.

I think they're going to extend.

Extend it done.

He said that he's retiring.

No, I think they're going to go like 11 and 6.

No, they're going to draft a player in the first round, and then he's going to be like, I want to.

They're going to win a playoff game, and he's going to come back because the quarterback class this year is bad.

They're going to have a bad pick.

Their team is old.

Their defense is old.

They are in win now mode.

It seems like it's working and the locker room likes Aaron Rodgers.

He mixes well with Arthur Smith and Tumlin.

I think they're just going to bring him back and extend him.

I think it's dumb, but that's going to happen.

He's got that second wind, the third wind.

It does remind me a lot of the time when the Packers were like, he's kind of cooked.

We're going to draft Jordan Love.

And then he won two straight MVPs.

When does the Brady played until he was 45?

When is that?

Yeah, Rodgers is only 41.

That's spring chicken compared to Brady.

Oh, my God.

This dude's going to fight.

I'm so lucky of Rogers.

Think about all the anti-aging stuff he's probably doing.

The herbal tea he's drinking.

We can't even imagine what he's having.

Who's everybody who wants to live forever?

What's his name?

Oh, Brian Johnson.

Brian Johnson.

You know that guy that lives in Venice?

Brian Johnson?

Oh, I've read about that guy.

He's like, he measures.

He takes his son's blood every day.

The vampire.

The funny thing about that is the blood bag guy.

I believe he is like 45 years old.

And if you see him, he like looks 45.

45.

You're like, I don't don't know

he says he has he's the biologically youngest 45 year old

when you do all that stuff it's like which you're gonna die being like electrocuted during golf you'll get hit by a bomb

like hit by lightning or like i wanted a million also you live in la like the worst air pollution city and yeah that you're just breathing that in every day dk what do you have i'm stealing this from the online discourse but uh oh jj mccarthy will never start another game for the vikings

i don't actually believe this but i'm starting to maybe think it's true.

They're like, it feels like they are, you know, why don't you just go get some work on your ankle, just keep working on it, you know?

They watch them and practice.

Daddy's taking the dog to the farm.

He'll be back.

The dog will be back.

Don't worry.

Amazing take.

Well, so, and I think it's also funny because it's like on TV where somebody just is off the show for a couple of weeks and they never come back.

What happened?

Weren't they in the credits?

They kill somebody off of Grey's Anatomy.

And then McCarthy sues the Vikings in like two years.

Um,

the Vikings quarterback room last year,

Sam Darnold, Daniel Jones, JJ McCarthy's on IR.

I think they had, I think Daniel Jones was actually on the practice squad for most of the time, but it is crazy that they let Sam Darnold and Daniel Jones go and they are like two of the best quarterbacks in the NFL this year.

And now they're playing Carson Wentz.

I know.

If the Vikings were smart, like they get rid of McCarthy and then they should trade for like Trevor Lawrence and O'Connell just

fixes Trevor Lawrence.

You know, speaking of online discourse, you know who's the hot topic right now?

Anthony Richardson.

Jesus Christ.

Let's do this.

Let's do this.

Solak was tweeting about it today.

Richardson to the Viking to the Viking?

Oh, because they wanted him at number four.

Yeah, and there was like an NFL films behind the scenes thing where

KOC was like hugging

Richard and talking to that's O'Connell getting way too cocky, being like, I can fix it.

He's like, I can fix him.

Well, O'Connell, I mean, he, Darnell, Daniel Jones, he really helped guys, you know, with what's going on in their head.

And Anthony Richardson, you know, just broke his face face with band work pregame so yeah maybe chaos a lot of pain going on in his head bad vibes happening there with with richardson he needs to go find a new home yeah yeah i'm so excited to unleash mine i'm glad i'm going last

i'm even going to give you the week it's going to be in this range between week 11 and week 13.

ben johnson will bench caleb williams and start tyson bajent

He will be the starter.

Tyson Bajant will be the starter in time for week 13, week 14.

That he goes out, Packers.

This is my crazy prediction.

okay

because i think the bears are pretty good and i think caleb is holding them back and ben johnson is just going to be like it and he loves tyson bajent they're four and two they've won four straight yeah they're they're like a playoff team and caleb has not been good for them you must have been talking to trekman a little bit too much treikman not because caleb supposed to call you and missed it is that what happened i don't know what i don't know what the impetus will be but i there were a lot of breadcrumbs being dropped tyson bajent's way before the year about what an unbelievable teammate he is i think at some point their team's pretty good.

They just need somebody to drive the car, and they could go like 11 and 6.

So, do you think Caleb is not on the Bears next year?

I think

here's how I played it on my head: some sort of minor injury where they're just like, We're going to sit him this week and play Tyson, and Ben Shots is going to be like, Please, God, have him be fucking awesome.

To make up something hypothetical, like a high ankle sprain or something, yeah, like yeah, maybe it's

low ankles, some sort of or like a pulled groin, some sort, or he took a hit.

The thing I hate about

this, it makes me nervous because it could be like real.

Former Ringer colleague Rhino Hanlon has started texting me with the hashtag Bayent Boys because he just thinks

he's like, I think they think Bayant's better than Caleb.

They extended Bayentoffseason.

Yeah, they did huge contracts.

They like his work ethic, but they talked about how much they love him and he's one of the best people I've ever been around.

They did all this stuff.

The old coaching staff or the new coaching staff?

Because the old coaching staff really threw Caleb under the bus.

New coaching staff.

I don't know if you guys watched the States game.

We had it in Ringer 107.

Caleb was bad in that game.

Caleb's kind of been bad every game, except for the doubt.

He's been inaccurate.

Yeah, he's all the way up.

That's the problem.

It's like in Ben Johnson,

you could see an offensive

coach doing this.

It's kind of like the Shanahan thing.

It's like, I don't care who he is.

I don't care if it's Trey Lance.

We drafted him third overall or whatever it was.

Like our third guy is running the offense the most clean.

It's a little the entire Patriots thing happened because they gave Bledsoe a hundred million dollar contract and Belichick still kept radiant.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a little Trevor Lawrencey with Caleb Williams where you can see the physical tools.

Like there are moments where you're like, Jesus, like Caleb's making throws two people in the league can make, but just normal downs where a guy's open.

Here's the thing though.

I'm torn with Caleb because on one hand, I wonder if there's smoke with fire with all these, I guess the word is unsubstantiated rumors about like all the stuff that was said by the previous staff anonymously.

But the flip side is I also am just a radical about really talented quarterbacks needing time.

And I just, I don't know, you remember the Mariners in 76?

Like, remember when quarterbacks weren't supposed to play free?

I just couldn't believe you said you remember 1976, but like, it's a big deal.

We had two new American League teams.

It's like, who are these guys?

It's just a funny thing to say.

Yeah.

But I, I just, your whole life wasn't the deal quarterbacks kind of had to sit for a long time.

And I just, Caleb Williams, to me, the confirmed the whole time was everyone said Mahomes was like, it's Aaron Rodgers.

And that's not even the straight, the size, the way he plays, off-platform, a little personality-wise.

And then

I'm just saying, though, but it's not just me.

Caleb Williams himself, if you ask him, he's like, I base my game off Aaron Rodgers, everything he does.

And so how did Aaron Rodgers do a year and a half into his career?

What did you say?

What was Heifitz's crazy prediction?

What did you just have four minutes ago for your crazy prediction?

I had you would take Drake May in two different categories.

No.

No, I had Joe Flacco go to the bank.

So Heyfitz said Joe Flacco was going to nudge a healthy Joe Burrow out of the last two weeks of the season.

And now he's giving a passion discourse for why my crazy prediction was too crazy.

I actually forgot it was the craziest prediction because I actually kind of, the last three, I was like, damn, that's actually going to happen.

I kind of, I feel like they got more realistic as they went there.

Interesting.

It was so non-crazy, you forgot it was the crazy prediction category because it is crazy.

Them benching Caleb Williams would be crazy, but I also wouldn't be like, oh my God, they benched Caleb Williams.

Yeah,

yours is believable.

That could happen.

Well, yours is believable if Burrow's hurt, though.

If it's like Burrow can kind of limp around, but we're going to throw him back in and Burrow and Flacco's playing well.

They're not going to change it.

They said December for Burrow, but they meant January.

They're like being optimistic.

But are you right about the Caleb thing?

Yeah, if Caleb blows some game to like the Bengals against Flacco, throws four picks and it's a disaster and it like moves the Bears to under 500, maybe Ben Johnson gets a little fed up.

See, I think

he does it if he thinks they have a chance to actually be good.

Because Swift has never run like this.

I mean, I think he's the best he's got.

He's ever run game of really good.

Yeah.

But Dunesay is like a real number one, like legitimate guy.

I like their team.

All their pieces are really good.

I thought their defense was kind of awesome on Sunday.

Now, I know they're playing against the Saints, but they were

making a lot of takeaways.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Like their team.

And then the emotional Dennis Allen game ball after

the speech and everything was good.

I think Dennis Allen, knowing Rattler's, the whole roster strength and weaknesses, but also that was a weird game because

Rattler got displaced by Caleb at Oklahoma.

And so the whole ego death that Rattler's gone through started with Caleb just came in and just immediately was electric.

And Rattler had to leave like tail between his legs and go to South Carolina.

But I think that's relatedly the combo of, I think Rattler was pushing the ball a little bit because I do think subconsciously he was trying to prove something.

And also Dennis Allen was just weirdly equipped to take advantage of all the holes on that team.

All right.

We're wrapping that up.

So what do we call that draft?

Noful dude again.

I don't know.

The midway draft?

I don't know.

Midseason draft?

My guy was such an easier title.

That was like a

mid-season check-in draft yeah yeah danny danny craig great to see you guys you can listen to them on the fantasy football show the ringer fantasy football show

on uh on all of our platforms good to see you all thanks for having you thanks

that's it for the podcast thanks to danny and danny and craig thanks to eduardo and gahau as well uh i will be back on this podcast on thursday with some basketball and some football looking forward to it see you then

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