THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 104 — Post-Election Palette Cleanser + Tucker/Fuentes Interview Reaction

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Speaker 4 All right. Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Thursday night Thought Crime.
What's up, guys? We have the OG crew here for once.

Speaker 6 All in studio.

Speaker 8 All in studio.

Speaker 6 All in display.

Speaker 4 One on assignment, one on assignment, of course. But

Speaker 4 for once, it's the whole Thought Crime crew all together.

Speaker 4 This is great. Blake, you were missed last week because we had a great,

Speaker 4 you know,

Speaker 4 we have a great lineup tonight.

Speaker 4 You were here last week, and it was Tyler who was missed. Tyler who was missed.
Oh, wait, yes, yes. We did the Halloween debate.
It was Tyler who was missed. Yes.

Speaker 8 Yeah. I can't remember what happened.

Speaker 9 You were not here.

Speaker 10 Probably because the vampire got you.

Speaker 5 Now I'm confused.

Speaker 11 Blake, wait a minute. I was here last week.

Speaker 6 Well, I was pro-Hall. I was pro.

Speaker 8 I haven't seen Blake.

Speaker 10 I haven't seen Blake in like a month.

Speaker 9 Yeah. Because

Speaker 4 he was at the nunnery, but they kicked him out, unfortunately. Not the Vatican.

Speaker 10 No, he was everywhere.

Speaker 13 Did you go to the Vatican?

Speaker 8 Oh, yeah, he was in the tunnels.

Speaker 14 No, I've never been to the Vatican.

Speaker 6 He was in the tunnels.

Speaker 4 He was in the tunnels. It's based.
We'll go together.

Speaker 6 It's awesome.

Speaker 4 No, we're not going to go to the other side. So

Speaker 4 we had a whole thing about how apparently nobody knows what Mischief Night is if you're not from the Philadelphia area.

Speaker 4 So have you heard of Mischief Night? Yeah, of course.

Speaker 10 That's an East Coast thing.

Speaker 4 Yeah, exactly. Thank you.

Speaker 7 Nobody's apparently devilish.

Speaker 12 Don't act like quite a heavy duty thing.

Speaker 8 I know about it because lots of outright.

Speaker 15 You know about it because your wife.

Speaker 10 I know about it because my wife's from New Jersey.

Speaker 9 There There you go, boom.

Speaker 10 And so Mischief Night's like a thing.

Speaker 14 100%.

Speaker 10 Don't we have another name for it?

Speaker 6 You're Devil's Night.

Speaker 3 You're an Arizonan. And you're a proud Western boy, and you have no idea what Mischief Night's going to call somewhere so

Speaker 10 in Arizona. They didn't celebrate it.
But I remember when I, because I lived in New Jersey for two years, I met my wife in junior high.

Speaker 13 Yeah.

Speaker 10 And then we moved back to Arizona, but she's from New Jersey. But Mischief Night's like a big freaking deal.

Speaker 17 Like,

Speaker 10 you take it seriously. It's like, it's more serious than Halloween.

Speaker 4 Yeah, 100%.

Speaker 13 And so we crazy and they don't make movies about Mischief Night.

Speaker 4 No, it's because, well, that's because it's local. But what I found out after the show that no one had told me this before, that apparently my grandmom used to participate in Mischief Night.

Speaker 4 So my aunt was telling us this story. She was like, oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 Like we would all, we would all go down to the cornfield and we get a bunch of corn and we'd, we'd shuck it and we'd get the kernels and set them up into like bags and throw them at the neighbor's houses up and down the block.

Speaker 4 I'm like, Nana was doing

Speaker 4 it.

Speaker 6 Did you call her grandmom?

Speaker 4 No, no, no. I called her Nana.

Speaker 3 But is that like another East Coast thing, grandmom?

Speaker 8 Because we always said grandmom.

Speaker 4 I had one was grandmom and one was Nana.

Speaker 6 I don't know.

Speaker 10 I just saw the map for this. This is crazy.

Speaker 9 I wish I could drop this for you guys.

Speaker 18 Well, apparently

Speaker 4 we talked about last week.

Speaker 3 We showed that exact map last week.

Speaker 6 Oh, you did.

Speaker 12 It was the whole conversation.

Speaker 10 I missed the map.

Speaker 3 Hold on. We have to go through it.
So we're going to get to some seriously spicy topics today.

Speaker 3 but we're going to start with EBT of TikTok. Then we're going to get into Nikki McNeil.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 4 we got to start with Bollywood.

Speaker 7 Did Bollywood?

Speaker 3 Oh, Bollywood. Okay.

Speaker 3 But we are going to talk about Tucker.

Speaker 12 We're going to talk about Tucker because

Speaker 9 he's been in the conversation.

Speaker 4 And everybody's asking us, well,

Speaker 4 what about Tucker? What are your thoughts on Tucker? And, you know, it was like, we had an election. All right.
We're going to focus on the election. Yep.

Speaker 14 But we have thoughts.

Speaker 4 And this is thought crime.

Speaker 3 So you're going to hear them. All right.
So then we're also going to talk about hijabs

Speaker 3 or

Speaker 4 bikini or burkini.

Speaker 3 Burkini, yeah. And we're going to talk about Mom Dani built NYC, all this and more.
All right. So let's get us started on the first topic.

Speaker 4 All right. So

Speaker 4 let's just start with the clip because so Mom Dani wins on Tuesday night.

Speaker 4 And then that speech, which I know we all watched, I actually did watch it live, but there was something at the very end of his speech that happened. Play clip 335.

Speaker 6 Yes, a hundred percent real.

Speaker 4 Can I hit the song, guys? Hit the song.

Speaker 14 It's apparently a song from a 2004 Bollywood movie.

Speaker 4 There we go.

Speaker 10 It's

Speaker 3 Blake. I feel like this is the.

Speaker 4 Tyler,

Speaker 4 what could be more American than this?

Speaker 19 Brad, Blake, I feel like this is a good thing.

Speaker 10 I have no association with this.

Speaker 10 I had the same amount of association with this as most of America does with Mischief Night.

Speaker 19 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 But Blake, I feel like you've been making a lot of points about the third worldism of it all, right?

Speaker 3 Like, how Zoron's actual fundamental ideology is an antagonism towards the West, West, an antagonism towards whiteness, European-ness, whatever you want to call it.

Speaker 3 And this song just felt like a total. I heard it and I was like, Blake's right.

Speaker 14 Yeah, which is funny because the song is whatever. It's like some Bollywood thing.

Speaker 19 No, but

Speaker 14 it very much is that Mamdani himself does

Speaker 4 represent this,

Speaker 3 like,

Speaker 14 how to put it. I can't think because it's like mind muscle.

Speaker 4 He's the literal avatar of the Gimmigrens.

Speaker 19 Yeah, yeah. It's like the Gimme Grin.

Speaker 14 it's that it's sort of this global ideology it spans ethnic groups it spans national origin to some extent even spans like a lot of different sub-political ideologies it kind of it really is like a line globalize the intifada so you were talking you've been talking about that we've been talking about it pretty much the entire campaign and that charlie obviously talked about it many times and

Speaker 4 this is what was so interesting was Zoran Mandami talked about it when he got on stage.

Speaker 4 And there were a lot of people, Van Jones included,

Speaker 4 who said, Wow, this seems like a different Zora Mandani. It seems like he went full mask off.
And it's like, Van,

Speaker 4 you should just listen to us. Andrew, I know you guys have been chatting about it.

Speaker 4 It's like, you guys should literally just listen to us because we called it. And then he gets up there and he starts talking about the, was it the Ethiopian aunties and the Bengali

Speaker 4 line cooks and the Abuelas and the taxi driver? And it's like, no, that's literally what the right has been saying the entire time that he was going to do. The entire time.
And it was angry.

Speaker 4 It was bitter. It was resentful.
And it was just grieving politics for specific groups of people targeted against other groups.

Speaker 3 Well, you know, it's funny. AOC did a similar thing where she rattled off all these like minority groups.

Speaker 3 She happened to include, I think, Irish and Italians, but it was like, it's complete fusionism.

Speaker 3 It's complete intersectionality.

Speaker 3 It's, let's unite the world's marginalized, as they would say, to fight whitey.

Speaker 12 That's essentially how I interpret it.

Speaker 4 Is it true, by the way, that

Speaker 4 are all forks now banned in New York City? Has that gone through? Or does that wait until January?

Speaker 10 Well, while we talk about it, too, don't forget that the new lieutenant governor of Virginia is also a

Speaker 10 Indian descent Muslim as well. First statewide elected official ever.

Speaker 20 Female?

Speaker 10 First Muslim woman ever elected in the U.S. for statewide office.

Speaker 3 Where was this?

Speaker 10 For Virginia.

Speaker 15 By the way, I want to play play this clip from Gonzalez.

Speaker 7 It's relevant.

Speaker 3 Play cut 275.

Speaker 21 My family is back home in Kenya, and how I see how things are going on, like

Speaker 21 with

Speaker 21 families being separated

Speaker 21 as a human being, as a mother, separating families, especially children from their mothers or fathers.

Speaker 21 I don't believe in that. So that made me come out and also come and vote.

Speaker 3 Okay, so she votes Democrat. So we have an immigrant.

Speaker 6 That was Jersey. What?

Speaker 4 That was Jersey.

Speaker 4 Or excuse me, that was Virginia.

Speaker 3 Virginia, yes. Voted for Virginia Democrat candidate, Abigail Spanberger.

Speaker 3 So she votes for a Democrat because she's an immigrant from, she's a Muslim immigrant from Kenya who doesn't like our immigration policies. So then she votes for the Democrat.

Speaker 4 And let's get in here because this is kind of what it all comes down to. Play clip 274.

Speaker 4 New York will remain a city of immigrants, a city built by immigrants,

Speaker 4 powered by immigrants,

Speaker 23 and as of tonight, led by an immigrant.

Speaker 4 So, this is the part that we need to get into. And this is this of all the things here because it's a city of immigrants.
Agreed.

Speaker 4 Powered by immigrants, at least today. Agreed.

Speaker 4 But was New York City built by immigrants? Wait, do we have that picture of the famous workers on the side, the skyscraper building New York?

Speaker 3 They looked like exactly like

Speaker 4 that. These are the type of guys that are listening to that music.
I want to put that picture up with that music playing because it's like, and Blake, like, just walk me through this.

Speaker 4 Was New York City built by immigrants?

Speaker 14 In the way that he's referring, I mean, the Freedom Tower kind of

Speaker 14 Oh, man.

Speaker 4 Are you talking about

Speaker 3 One World Trade Center?

Speaker 6 Are you talking about building wouldn't exist?

Speaker 4 Are you talking about the immigrant pilots?

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. Immigrant pilots.

Speaker 4 The immigrant pilots of New York City.

Speaker 24 Shame.

Speaker 14 I think, you know, we have to include all possible immigrant sources.

Speaker 4 All the immigrant stories of.

Speaker 4 Hey, we're just telling immigrant stories. We're listening to immigrant voices,

Speaker 4 like great New York immigrants, like Muhammad Atta. Yeah.

Speaker 24 Wow.

Speaker 16 Who was approved for flight school after

Speaker 10 he died?

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 hey, only one flight, but it went down in history.

Speaker 14 Yes, exactly. He might be, in terms of time spent piloting a plane to infamy, he might be the most successful pilot of all time.

Speaker 17 Jeez.

Speaker 3 You know, I just.

Speaker 3 Is that for you or for Mohamed Atta?

Speaker 3 So I find his speech really, really infuriating. We have let in so many immigrants, and New York City has been the recipient of so many immigrants that it is, it no longer, we don't control it.

Speaker 3 Americans do not control it.

Speaker 13 And

Speaker 3 he's just spiking the football like a total jerk. But we do.

Speaker 10 I want to know how many illegals voted in this election.

Speaker 14 Probably not that many, to be honest.

Speaker 4 New Jersey, by the way, has been a lot of money.

Speaker 11 Blake's opinion is like none.

Speaker 10 Mine is probably like, you know,

Speaker 10 percentage. You know, like the Madison Square Guardian full.
I don't know. Somewhere, it's somewhere in between that.

Speaker 14 I don't know. I just don't.
I just don't think it's going to be that many.

Speaker 3 And even if it wasn't.

Speaker 9 How many, if you had a guess?

Speaker 8 What about how many?

Speaker 4 And by the way, this is just illegals, but non-citizens.

Speaker 10 Yeah, non-citizens and illegals.

Speaker 4 So visas, green cards.

Speaker 11 That's fair. Fair.

Speaker 4 I should have expanded out to all that.

Speaker 24 That's what I meant.

Speaker 10 Yes. Non-citizens.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I don't know. Maybe a few hundred.

Speaker 10 You think only a few hundred in the entire city of New York voted for Mom Dani?

Speaker 14 I mean, why are they going to want to conceivably take that risk just so they can vote for Mamdani?

Speaker 10 Because they don't care. They don't care.

Speaker 18 They've been told that they're

Speaker 18 totally fine.

Speaker 10 No. And plus voting for Mom Daniel.

Speaker 11 They're not going to want

Speaker 14 the Trump administration to come in and potentially arrest them for that.

Speaker 10 That's the reason why they voted. That's the reason why.

Speaker 14 The thing about it is a lot of illegal immigrants just don't even care about U.S. elections.
That's the big thing about them. Like, even,

Speaker 14 you know, people who just are here from foreign countries, very briefly, don't, they're just not invested in American politics for the most part.

Speaker 10 I feel like this is a great task for

Speaker 10 the civil rights division at the DOJ

Speaker 10 to identify. I think

Speaker 14 that's something you can do.

Speaker 25 You can

Speaker 14 send in the DOJ and feel free to indict every single person who illegally voted because who voted is a public record.

Speaker 10 I think Harmeet Dylan is the right woman for the job. She should move forward on identifying how many 100%.

Speaker 19 We should arrest

Speaker 14 everyone who votes illegally. We should indict and arrest everyone who votes illegally.

Speaker 14 Especially because they're the sort of community that, you know, when you go after James Comey, James Comey is going to be able to have like a ton of lawyers and he's ready to like fight a big legal throwdown.

Speaker 14 But if you're correct and thousands of people cast illegal ballots, you can totally indict a huge number of them.

Speaker 14 And it's both expensive to try to defend all of them and it will like put the fear of God in these immigrant communities who mostly like the PR campaign with that would be huge.

Speaker 10 The PR campaign

Speaker 10 would be like, don't do this.

Speaker 10 And again, even if it's hundreds, to your point, which is like, you're in like the most conservative position on that, right? Probably. Not like conservative big C, but like little C.
Yeah.

Speaker 10 Is that it's hundreds. Hundreds of people getting

Speaker 10 in big trouble for this is a big deal. Yeah.

Speaker 15 So

Speaker 14 I would say go ahead and do that if that's the case, but I don't, I get, I guess I get annoyed because it's often a sort of automatic take from the right that they just assume this is happening.

Speaker 14 And I would just say, if it is that obvious,

Speaker 11 you can't just assume that it's not.

Speaker 10 The automatic take from the right is that it's enough to flip the election. I agree with their sentiment.

Speaker 4 Probably not this election, not enough to flip this election.

Speaker 10 But how many down ballot races does this type of thing end up impacting in other elections?

Speaker 4 Before we get too far off topic, so yes, investigate it. But

Speaker 4 I do want to get back on topic a little bit. And,

Speaker 4 guys, I want to throw a picture. And Andrew, I want to get your sense of this.
Throw a picture 337.

Speaker 4 These are the people.

Speaker 3 The studio loves this.

Speaker 4 Yeah, these are the guys who built America. And no, they weren't listening to this type of music.

Speaker 19 They might have been immigrants.

Speaker 4 They might have been. And certainly the people.

Speaker 4 Here's what I want to explain, though.

Speaker 4 They were certainly the people who built New York City and the skyscrapers.

Speaker 4 There is a fundamental difference between the people who came as settlers, the people who came as colonists, and the people who are coming, to use Blake's phrase, as the gimmigrants, as the people who are coming to take from the society that Mamdani specifically stated was and is his political agenda, which will be the next political agenda going forward.

Speaker 4 And I'm not going to, by the way, if New York wasn't built by European settlers, why is it called that? Why is it called that? Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like, it's literally called New York, which, and Blake, I believe York at one point was was the capital of England.

Speaker 14 It was the capital of one of the kingdoms, I think.

Speaker 9 Oh, one of the kings. Northumbria.

Speaker 8 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 But, like, London wasn't always the capital.

Speaker 14 It got sacked by the Vikings, and they took the king and they carved a blood eagle on him.

Speaker 4 That was the Normans, right?

Speaker 14 No, no, the Vikings did this. It was way back in like Viking age.

Speaker 6 Okay, so the Norman conquest wasn't until 1066.

Speaker 3 Okay, I got the colours.

Speaker 3 The Vikings came as early as

Speaker 3 700s.

Speaker 6 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 Okay. So, but, anyways, listen, here's the deal.

Speaker 3 My take on this is, you know, and actually, Blake, I think you circulated this. It was a sub-stack.
It was really interesting.

Speaker 3 And if you really want the full picture, America was settled by mostly Anglos, right?

Speaker 3 And there was a lot of pushback

Speaker 3 to some of the immigrant classes that came, the Poles, the Italians, the Irish, all this stuff. And

Speaker 3 there was concern. And actually,

Speaker 3 a lot of the mystique of America being built, being a nation of immigrants, came out of that wave, and it actually changed the way the nation talked about itself.

Speaker 3 And there was concern even about letting in those cultures. Now, we know in retrospect they assimilated very well because they happened to be mostly European, mostly Christian.

Speaker 14 Even then, even then, it actually like it needed a big lift to do it. And so, what the lift was in World War I and the aftermath, we basically quite aggressively cracked down on vestigial,

Speaker 14 non-assimilated elements of a lot of European immigrants to the U.S. So there used to be a lot of German-language newspapers, a lot of German-language stuff.

Speaker 4 I was going to say that.

Speaker 8 And we had the anti-German frenzy in World War I and stamped that out.

Speaker 14 And so, you know, I grew up in a place with a lot of Germans. No one knows German in the Dakotas.

Speaker 4 And then you would have people, like, didn't, and the British royal family actually changed their name.

Speaker 8 They changed their name.

Speaker 6 They were pretty fully assimilated.

Speaker 6 But this

Speaker 4 was German.

Speaker 3 This substack basically makes the case that it's semi-miraculous that we were able to assimilate these people because of the greatness of America, but also these huge cataclysmic events like World War I and World War II.

Speaker 3 But it did end up creating this narrative that America is a nation of immigrants, which made way for the 19, the heart seller.

Speaker 3 Yeah, exactly. So, which then gave them a foothold to say, hey, we're just a nation of immigrants, and so it doesn't matter where you're from.

Speaker 3 Well, that's not at all how we got from point A to point B. Point A was we're Anglo, we don't want Italians and Irish and Poles.

Speaker 3 Then it was like, well, we just defeated the Nazis and saved the Western world. So I guess they're cool now and we're all one nation.
And everybody's like, well, we did it once. We can do it again.

Speaker 3 But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 That's like three standard deviations from like assimilating. European Christians and Catholics to, oh, we can have somebody like Zoramandani, who's a Muslim from Uganda slash Indian descent.

Speaker 8 Hit the song.

Speaker 4 Hit the song.

Speaker 14 To me, the most important thing about it is just that he ran pretty aggressively on

Speaker 20 and overtly on what you might call

Speaker 14 race communism, where he's going to say the objective of my administration is to target

Speaker 14 people who are white.

Speaker 4 You can't leave out the fact that where did he hold his...

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know if these were rallies, but they were his last public appearances right before the election on Saturday night and Sunday night in New York City.

Speaker 4 What were those clubs again, by the way?

Speaker 4 Those clubs that he was appearing at?

Speaker 3 The Alpha Deco Gay Club.

Speaker 7 ABC Club.

Speaker 4 Yes.

Speaker 14 That's pretty funny.

Speaker 18 Okay, like one and

Speaker 4 a half years campaigning at gay clubs.

Speaker 3 Here it is. B rolls up.
This is Zoran at the gay club at 1 o'clock.

Speaker 19 Gosh.

Speaker 20 Yeah, that is a.

Speaker 14 We do bring it up, but like, you know, it's an important thing where we bring up

Speaker 19 that,

Speaker 14 you know, we'll call him the, you know, foreign, the Muslim socialist, but like the Islam part is actually not a core part of his identity.

Speaker 14 It's not part of like the way it was part of Muhammad.

Speaker 4 Yeah, this is why calling him a jihadist is kind of washed.

Speaker 7 But I mean, it's kind of played out.

Speaker 16 Is that really a game?

Speaker 4 Obviously, not. Yes, it is.

Speaker 14 He identifies as Muslim to the extent that he wants to show he is basically not American.

Speaker 6 He's not American.

Speaker 4 He's using it as an I'm not American part of his ideology. And he says this on stage.

Speaker 4 He's like, I am a Muslim and

Speaker 4 make sure to pronounce it that way.

Speaker 6 Rob Finnerty and I.

Speaker 14 It's like the old SML skit where anytime you talk about like, whenever we're talking about Latin America, they suddenly have to have these weird fake accents.

Speaker 10 No, no, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 And I came on and I was like, I was like, ah, yeah.

Speaker 14 We have broadcasting from Managua.

Speaker 4 And I'm like, and he's like,

Speaker 4 you know, and it's just like, it's ridiculous. It's completely ridiculous.
So, so, yeah, that's, that's New York City.

Speaker 4 And I think we need to, and just to put a pin on this, because I do want to get to some of these other topics.

Speaker 4 And we did promise a little bit of a spicy topic that we do need to fight for the story of who actually built America's cities and who actually built America's greatness.

Speaker 4 And no, it was not like just this sort of vague, all immigrants built America story. Like, that's just, it's just wrong, and it's led to bad policy.
Exactly.

Speaker 12 That's why I brought up that substack.

Speaker 3 That's why I brought up that sub stack is because

Speaker 3 we changed the myth, the story that we told ourselves as a nation after that first wave of of early,

Speaker 3 it was late 19th, but mostly early 20th century wave of immigrants.

Speaker 4 So spot on.

Speaker 3 And when we did that, we fundamentally changed the character of the country. Now we were able to assimilate, but listen, that is one thing.
This is entirely another.

Speaker 3 And to just continually say to ourselves, we can keep assimilating and keep a nation, I think

Speaker 3 is a fool's errand.

Speaker 3 But this is what, this is, when you talk about the myths that we tell, the story, reclaiming the story, this is Jennifer Welch to Mehdi Hassan at Zoron's victory party saying, you know, if it was all white people in here, it'd be boring.

Speaker 3 And Americans have no culture except multiculturalism.

Speaker 5 338.

Speaker 5 I pronounced those circles. Everybody needs some spies to put color in their lives.
Life's a lot better.

Speaker 26 That's the coolest thing about Americans.

Speaker 16 Americans have no culture except for

Speaker 28 Well said.

Speaker 26 And we need to teach people how to embrace that. These pressing, white people, these America, how to embrace it.

Speaker 14 It's actually like, that's actually a truly despicable thing. And they say this a lot.
Yeah. Like, white people have no culture.

Speaker 7 No, like, screw you.

Speaker 14 I could say a stronger word here, except, you know, the spirit of Charlie would smite me.

Speaker 3 Like, screw you for saying that. No.

Speaker 14 Europeans actually have a tremendous amount of culture. Americans have a tremendous amount of culture.

Speaker 14 To the extent that they say this, it's because, like, these awful people come in and like demean them deny they like have any sort of cultural status as a way to justify dispossessing and displacing them hey guess what there's culture that isn't just like whatever slop you guys eat that you call like your national cuisine that was probably still invented by a freaking european anyway a lot of it was yeah yeah chicken tikka masala chicken tick and masala invented in edinburgh salmon sushi invented by norwegian

Speaker 14 masala like it's really good so many of these things like oh wow like just it's disgusting it's actively disgusting.

Speaker 14 And not the least. Yes, it was.
Yeah.

Speaker 8 And not the least.

Speaker 10 I want to go to Edinburgh now.

Speaker 6 But then it got really big in London.

Speaker 25 Yeah. I mean, it's just in London.

Speaker 14 You know, it's like they do this a lot.

Speaker 10 Austria has the best Middle Eastern cuisine. All right, hold on.

Speaker 14 And beyond that, and beyond that, it's like the United States of America, the nation that gave us rock music, Hollywood, the nation that gave us Mark Twain, the nation that gave us, you know, stories like Paul Bunyan, the nation that gave us Daniel Boone, the nation that gave us Davey Crockett, the Alamo, infinity number of things.

Speaker 14 We don't have a culture. The nation that gave us country music.

Speaker 3 The blues. The blues.

Speaker 10 Jazz.

Speaker 14 And we just have this slop where white people don't have a culture. No, like.
Flip the bird to those people.

Speaker 16 Go off. That's gang.

Speaker 25 Absolutely, absolutely violent.

Speaker 14 No, it's not really a culture unless I can make some like obnoxious Instagram post about being immersed in like

Speaker 14 it's not really a culture unless you have a different name for your grandmother. That's like not an English word.

Speaker 14 It's not really a culture unless you have an Abuela or whatever.

Speaker 4 So let's just look at it this guy because I know we got to segue into our spicy topics, but it's really as simple as this. We can have God Bless America.
We could have God Bless the USA.

Speaker 4 Or we can have...

Speaker 3 I thought you were going to go with like Ala Akbar or something like that.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I mean, it's really disgusting. I mean, the amount of self-loathing that liberal white America has for itself 4 billion people

Speaker 10 but this is really simple though.

Speaker 10 This is just like you talk about the cities that were built in America the ingenuity the actual cultures that that came together to build what was initial they don't care about any of that they're just going to knock it all down and start over and replace it with the fall of Rome.

Speaker 10 I mean it's just like you go through these European cities you see it like these and again I just brought up Austria like you go to Vienna.

Speaker 10 Vienna is a beautiful city, has a ton of historic nature to it, but you can tell very rapidly the places that have been defaced and replaced with Middle Eastern

Speaker 10 influence that have completely rebuilt over the top. And all the Austrians have moved out.
And that those are the cultures that moved in, and they don't care.

Speaker 10 And obviously, they're going to eliminate and eradicate all the historic elements that were there and that's going to be just tread underneath their feet.

Speaker 11 That's what's going to happen.

Speaker 10 New York is, and by the way, there's way more preservation of history, in my opinion, in these European cities than America has. America has no culture of

Speaker 10 historic preservation. In fact, we've eradicated our own history in most cases with Gothic architecture and everything else.

Speaker 11 We have some.

Speaker 3 Art Deco.

Speaker 11 We have some. No, but we like to think about it.

Speaker 4 New York City tearing down.

Speaker 10 No, not even New York City. I'm talking about the Midwest.

Speaker 14 Think about some of the places in the Midwest, kansas city yes they they leveled all of the originating architecture that was there chicago had a ton of this it was eliminated uh milwaukee actually still has some up that you can but like so you can see some of this in milwaukee like when we had the rnc last year tanya and the kids went over to like the it's just like the milwaukee library yeah and it's just this it's like a cathedral gothic it's gothic it's amazing you know we can puncture we can like and it's like go through the elephant in the room a lot of american urban culture was wiped out because we had white flight in the 60s because of the last time libs got like total cultural domination and they decided to quadruple the crime rate overnight and have riots run everywhere.

Speaker 14 So people had to leave. You know, when it happens in other countries, it's called ethnic cleansing when that happens.

Speaker 14 But I guess in America, it was just like, I guess the people who left were bad because they didn't want to be murdered.

Speaker 4 Like

Speaker 4 we've literally done an entire podcast.

Speaker 14 Yeah, like you go to Detroit and it's just like, oh, there's all these beautiful abandoned homes. And all the people just had to leave, I guess.

Speaker 4 Yeah, so I mean, I experienced this in a very small way in my hometown where, you know,

Speaker 4 ethnic whites, you know, Italian, Irish, and Polish like myself, and Section 8 came in, and crime came in, and then it became a sanctuary city.

Speaker 14 Which they still want to do. Remember, big left-wing idea.

Speaker 4 And this is, you know, right outside Philadelphia. And they just, you know, blockbusting obviously was a huge part of that.

Speaker 4 And that's, that's almost exactly what happened to my family, where this, this tight-knit, not like working-class area, but tight-knit, great architecture. Yeah, way more.

Speaker 10 While we're on this topic, because I think you're going to be able to get a lot of money.

Speaker 14 The Bronx used to have one of the largest Jewish populations in the United States.

Speaker 10 If I was king of the world, I would force America to have to. You only had three options for architectural styles.
Art Deco in the major cities, neoclassical, or Gothic.

Speaker 6 That's colonial.

Speaker 18 No, no, no. You can have more.

Speaker 14 There's other styles. And houses.

Speaker 16 No, those are my three.

Speaker 14 Every town should have its Queen Anne Anne Revival. Those are like the fun houses that have the little turrets and stuff.

Speaker 4 But that being said, Blake's got a point, though, because if

Speaker 4 you just keep importing people from parts of the world that have no care about that whatsoever, you're just going to get the extended favala

Speaker 4 of India or

Speaker 4 like Brazil or whatever. Rio.

Speaker 3 If you're a listener to the Charlie Kirk Show, you know that Charlie built an amazing community through conversation. And that was online, that was in person, it was everywhere.

Speaker 3 We're able to go very viral about what we're able to do on TikTok.

Speaker 2 Billions and billions of views.

Speaker 3 But it was one connection at a time. TikTok offers opportunities for respectful exchanges of ideas.
And through that, opportunities for community.

Speaker 3 Not to talk over each other, but to talk with each other.

Speaker 3 On TikTok, you'll find creators who teach and encourage a carpenter passing on his craft, a mom explaining how to make a budget stretch, or a gardener showing us how to bring a backyard back to life.

Speaker 3 Different stories, but the same drive. The desire to connect and to understand.
That's what makes a strong community.

Speaker 3 A common desire to connect, to find a way forward through respectful dialogue, building trust and feeling heard. Freedom to speak what we know and hear each other out.
That's the power of TikTok.

Speaker 3 It gives everyone a seat at the table, a place to speak, to listen, and to remind each other of what connection really looks like. Conversations build connection, and connections build communities.

Speaker 3 We have to commit to going to the next next topic here, but I will say what's interesting, and I've never thought about it.

Speaker 3 I have thought about it, but I've never articulated it before, is that even white flight, Blake,

Speaker 3 have you ever noticed that

Speaker 3 your whole life it's been talked about as if it was like the white people's, like, they get judged.

Speaker 16 Yeah, it's their white people are bad for everything I know. It was all things are white flights.

Speaker 4 So, and by the way,

Speaker 4 as a great segue,

Speaker 4 when I appeared on Tucker's tour last year in Pennsylvania, he specifically asked me to tell my story. And

Speaker 4 we did that in Reading, Pennsylvania, which was pretty much, you know, like 20, 25 minutes from where I grew up.

Speaker 4 So the whole, you know, everyone in the area is we're in the Northeast and everyone in the area knew what I was talking about and knew about these different, um, these different trends and these different pressures that we were all experiencing about how we completely just blew up these communities.

Speaker 4 And like I lived in a town where the people on my block were,

Speaker 4 uh, were all the, you know, all the adults on my block were the people that my father had played with as kids when he grew up on the same block.

Speaker 4 So like I grew up in the same house that my father grew up in and

Speaker 4 that his sisters grew up in and that we had had for, it was built in 1901. And this was like beautiful wood architecture.

Speaker 4 Tyler, we had stained glass sliding doors in our dining room. That's so cool.
And that was like, I still want to go back and buy them actually, because I drive by the house a lot.

Speaker 4 And Tucker brought this up to say, hey, look, you know, this is not like

Speaker 4 an approved topic, but it's something that happened to a lot of people.

Speaker 4 And it's like, and I've talked to like Jeremy Carl, like I've talked to Jeremy Carl about this, and he's like, I totally get where you're coming from with your politics because you just want to get your hometown back.

Speaker 4 Like, that's, and that's really all it boils down to for me. Yeah.

Speaker 4 It's like, they took from me some, like, I always define success as like, you know, not like the amount of dollars in my bank account or whatever.

Speaker 4 It was just like having a nicer house in the, in my hometown. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that was being successful.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the amount of cultural displacement that's happened,

Speaker 3 you know, it's interesting.

Speaker 3 If you get a city that gentrifies, right, a lot of money comes in. This happened in the 90s, early 2000s because, oh, we got tough on crime.

Speaker 3 And so investment came back in, money came back in, prices went up.

Speaker 3 There was an there was so much ink spilled, books written about cultural displacement for urban, the urban minorities, right, during that time.

Speaker 3 But when the shoe was on the other foot and white communities get displaced because of crime that is expanding outward into white neighborhoods or ethnic white neighborhoods like you grew up in Philly, there's zero compassion on that cultural experience.

Speaker 3 There's zero acknowledgement that bad policy has led to more violent neighborhoods and run down

Speaker 3 degraded neighborhoods. And I think it's a shame.
But anyways, Tucker Carlson.

Speaker 4 Tucker.

Speaker 25 And so yeah, so Tucker.

Speaker 4 So yeah, I'll set the stage.

Speaker 4 And look, you know, that was kind of my segue point

Speaker 4 was that of all the things that, you know, I was expecting to talk about on, you know, on a live, it was a live podcast, but also a live show, a huge stadium, Santander Arena in Redding, absolutely sold out.

Speaker 4 And Tucker's like, I just want you to talk about your hometown.

Speaker 24 I'm like, really?

Speaker 4 Okay, sure. You know, and, and, um, and so I did.
And so getting into the Tucker question.

Speaker 4 You know, I think that's what Tucker is all about.

Speaker 4 And he's obviously, you know, always wants to get in, find new stories and find new things to talk about and he obviously has been no stranger to controversy and he has had a lot of controversy this week or i should say there's been controversy about him uh because of a particular interview um he had nicuentes on a couple i guess it's a couple of weeks ago at this point or it was last week um i'm not sure exactly recently and um and a lot of people have been saying should he have had him on is he ruining the world is the sky falling because he did an interview uh tucker's had obviously people who are considered controversial before.

Speaker 4 He's had Vladimir Putin on. He's had, I think, Lavrov on as well.
He's just kind of his job. So,

Speaker 4 you know, this was going around, and a lot of people were saying, oh, you guys got a comment. You guys got a comment.
And I was like, no, there's an election, actually. I'm going to focus on that.

Speaker 6 We should probably explain to people what we're reacting to.

Speaker 4 But no, no, well, this is my setup to say, okay, but now the election is over.

Speaker 29 And so let's talk about it.

Speaker 7 So Blake, you. What are we talking about?

Speaker 4 So, Blake, as a former, you know, what is the thought crime statement?

Speaker 14 No, no, not even what is the thought crime statement, but, like, I'm not sure everyone even knows what we're referring to with Tucker.

Speaker 4 Why don't you explain it, Blake? I just mentioned that.

Speaker 3 I've got to explain it.

Speaker 23 Oh, no. Wouldn't you?

Speaker 4 You're good at explaining it.

Speaker 14 How about Tyler explains it? Wait,

Speaker 25 Tyler explained it.

Speaker 10 I'm not.

Speaker 11 I'm not prepared for this topic.

Speaker 4 No, I'm serious. Is there something other than him having Nick on?

Speaker 3 Well, it's the way the interview was conducted. I will tell you that.
That's part of it, right?

Speaker 6 A lot of people feel it was

Speaker 3 too soft. A lot of people are upset.

Speaker 14 So just for those who aren't paying attention,

Speaker 14 Tucker Carlson, Tucker Carlson had Nicholas Fuentes on his show. He had him out to Maine.

Speaker 14 Obviously, Fuentes had a quite long and

Speaker 14 one-sided obsession with our boss, I believe, or our late boss. And so that's colored it a lot.
And it's also just colored in other ways.

Speaker 14 So it's actually, for those who aren't following it online, it's had this sort of thunderous aftermath.

Speaker 6 I can't get a lot of people.

Speaker 10 We've some background here with that to like lean into that. I mean, the reality is, Nick has a bunch of followers that they call themselves groipers.

Speaker 10 They largely are young men.

Speaker 10 If we could say that, it's not all men, but it's largely young men.

Speaker 10 Many have had some kind of interaction with Turning Point in a negative way. And in most cases, I would say,

Speaker 10 do not feel warmly invited mainly around the Israel issue because Turning Point historically has been a pro-Israel organization. And a lot of these young men, their single issue,

Speaker 10 if you can say there's a single issue, is

Speaker 10 their

Speaker 10 distrust or just outright hatred for the state of Israel. Is that like yeah, yeah, that's basically it.

Speaker 10 And then you have a number of other layered things on top of that, which are

Speaker 10 some issues

Speaker 10 on race

Speaker 16 and things like that.

Speaker 3 Nick has been has been vitriolic towards Charlie He's been very open about it He's said nasty things about Erica. He's been really nasty about

Speaker 3 Yeah, Israel.

Speaker 3 He's been nasty to Tucker actually they've they've gotten to their own spat and I think people were expecting I feel like the NJD I think they were I think they were expecting This to be a much more contentious interview is is is one of the main things I wasn't expecting that because it's just not what Tucker would do I wanted to pull up and I didn't want to I know we didn't pull up your cliffs, but I know Charlie wasn't talked about a lot, but I do think they mentioned him a little bit in the

Speaker 3 game there. And then the other thing

Speaker 12 more

Speaker 4 was violence.

Speaker 3 And I do want to make this clear, there was a lot of pushback because Tucker said essentially that he

Speaker 3 just I think the exact quote was he despised Christian Zionists.

Speaker 3 And then so that was a huge, a huge bone of contention for the evangelical community, especially the dispensationalists that believe that

Speaker 3 the current nation-state of Israel is

Speaker 3 prophetically foretold of in scriptures and that they do represent sort of

Speaker 3 a very important prophetic timeline piece, the current nation-state of Israel to

Speaker 3 God's ultimate plan for humanity, right? So

Speaker 3 you've got this whole dynamic going on. I want to say that Tucker ended up going on Dave Smith's podcast and walked that back,

Speaker 3 that he despises Christians.

Speaker 4 He just walked it back. He apologized.
He apologized.

Speaker 3 He said, I apologize. What I was upset about.

Speaker 3 What he said was he was upset that there were bombings of Christian churches in Gaza and that people did not apologize, that he feels they were intentional.

Speaker 3 And obviously, Israel.

Speaker 4 I think he said that he, I'm just not that like, I'm not taking this item, I'm just trying to quote it, that he was saying that he thought that Christian leaders weren't outspoken about that enough.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I'm going to, I'm going gonna, I think I have the exact quote.

Speaker 4 It says, but at the same time, he did fully apologize.

Speaker 3 I said, I really regret saying that. I didn't fully mean it.
I said it because I was mad, which is when I say I don't really mean when I get pissed. My wife's always telling me this.

Speaker 3 I was snippy and I didn't explain it.

Speaker 3 And I said something to the effect that I despise Christian Zionists, and I'm just sorry that I said that because I don't, I was just mad at a certain kind of thinking.

Speaker 3 Some of the nicest people I know are Christian Zionists, actually. You know, if you're in a car crash, they would save you.

Speaker 3 If you needed someone to watch your bank account, they wouldn't steal from you. They're like really good people and sweet people.

Speaker 3 So he tried to do it, and then he clarifies that he was upset about the church bombings in Gaza, that more Christian leaders weren't calling it out.

Speaker 6 Yeah.

Speaker 3 So,

Speaker 3 I mean, Blake, I think you said it really well, and I hate to keep putting you on the spot here, but

Speaker 3 you have a history with Tucker, and that's why I think there's, you know, I don't want to say you're being cynical or something, but you're just, you didn't have high hopes for it.

Speaker 14 No, so it's like,

Speaker 14 I mean, when you watch it, you kind of, it basically went as I about expected it to. It wasn't 100% friendly.
He does, if you watch the whole interview, it's about two hours long, I think.

Speaker 14 He does at some point, you know, he questions Nick, like, okay, you seem to sort of have a somewhat hate-based ideology, or like he kind of paints entire groups all the same way.

Speaker 14 And, you know, he pushes him a bit on that. But at the same time,

Speaker 14 it's Nick. He has a pretty long history.
He's been online a long time. There's a lot of clips, as they might say.
And you don't need to nitpick every single thing, because it is true.

Speaker 14 Some of what he says is clearly just attempting to be

Speaker 14 transgressive, comedic, funny. Actually, some of the wildest stuff people obsess about when he says he loves Hitler or whatever.
A lot of that is even in that vein.

Speaker 14 But there's still a lot of stuff that

Speaker 14 you could talk about. So you're having Nick Fuentes on, who, among other things, is famous for this long-running feud with Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 14 Well, Nick Fuentes, within the past month, basically said, you know, everyone's thinking this, you know, Erica Kirk looks extremely happy that her husband's dead. This is what everyone's thinking.

Speaker 14 Everyone's talking about it.

Speaker 7 Okay.

Speaker 14 I know Erica. I don't think she's happy that her husband died.

Speaker 25 I think that's a pretty, I think that's a pretty hurtful thing.

Speaker 9 That's a terrible thing to say.

Speaker 14 I think that's a hurtful thing to say. And

Speaker 14 I'm a little disappointed Tucker didn't bring that up or push push him on that. You know, why did you say that, Nick? Why did you say that about a woman whose husband was just murdered? Why did you?

Speaker 14 And I think he just didn't, he didn't ask about that. He didn't ask about some of the stuff he said about J.D.
Vance. And I think more broadly, he let,

Speaker 14 especially in the early part, he definitely just seated the stage for Nick to give his narrative of his life, where basically, I'm just a normal America first guy, and then the Jews just were constantly messing with me and sabotaging me, whether it was Ben Shapiro or various other people, which several of those people came out and said his narrative was a misleading, self-aggrandizing lie.

Speaker 14 I don't know the truth about it. I'm not obsessed with his history.

Speaker 14 But he basically just kind of let him tell that, and it's clear Tucker approved of that narrative, that basically he was buying into, oh yeah, those darn Jews just came in and messed with Nick because

Speaker 14 he, you know, wanted to have America-first foreign policy.

Speaker 14 Okay, I think there's probably a few other things he did that made people not like Nick. Or dig into, okay, Nick, you have a lot of burned former colleagues who don't like you for this reason.

Speaker 14 There's like weird things where people say he has like a lot of associations with like outright sex predators and stuff. You could get into a lot of that.
You could get into

Speaker 3 even like the Stalin clip.

Speaker 14 Yeah, or the Stalin thing. He just says, he kind of throws out like, oh, I love Stalin.

Speaker 10 The Stalin thing.

Speaker 14 Why don't we pause and pick at that? You know, Tucker, you picked at ted cruz because he didn't know enough super

Speaker 25 he didn't know enough facts about iran could we pick at nicolas

Speaker 14 for saying he loves a guy who killed tens of millions of people possibly millions of christians including them when we care about the fate of christians here or do they only matter when they're in gaza the stalin thing really bothered me because i think that accentuated that there was like a overlooking of like it created the look of the scene when it happens is that he had an environment where he wanted to only mildly question Fuentes, and then he was caught off guard when Fuentes said something that was really freaking bad.

Speaker 16 And he's like,

Speaker 4 I listened to the whole both this interview and when Tucker was on Dave Smith, and I think Tucker also mentions this on Dave Smith, and just, and he, I'm trying to remember this from memory, but he sort of said, like, I was caught so off guard that I wish I had said something, and, and that he didn't.

Speaker 4 So he did actually say something. Yeah, but

Speaker 10 we've all seen Tucker on Tucker.

Speaker 4 Yeah, yeah, no, I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying definitely.

Speaker 10 And we've seen Tucker. And again, maybe his frame of mind was he was being his frame.

Speaker 10 I can totally buy that his frame of mind is like he's giving this guy a shot and he really believes he's extremely talented and that maybe his outreach can guide him to a better, more Tucker-like version of Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 10 And honestly.

Speaker 10 I hate even spending this much time on it, but

Speaker 10 there's a part of me that thinks that that was like his goal. And I'm not agreeing with that.
I'm I'm just saying I think that that was kind of the goal.

Speaker 14 Like a big brother because

Speaker 10 of that whole Stalin situation. And again,

Speaker 10 I'm not saying that's okay. I'm not saying that that's what I would have done.
Charlie wouldn't have done that.

Speaker 4 Yeah, like you want the Tucker who's like, excuse me, Stalin?

Speaker 24 Yeah, like, what? Yeah, like, what are you talking about? Really?

Speaker 9 A guy who killed tens of millions of people, including millions of Christians.

Speaker 16 Like, how could, how could those ideological Christian priests?

Speaker 10 How could your ideological centering be around Stalin and explain that to us? Like, where the point point you come from, because I think actually that epitomizes. And I think if

Speaker 10 the guy was here right now, he would tell you the same thing. Part of his ideology is he agrees with an authoritarian, you know, slightly communist version of whatever his current worldview is.

Speaker 10 And that's part of the reason why he thinks so greatly of him.

Speaker 10 And again, that, and again, I know that that's not, that's not Tucker's worldview. I know that that's not his position.

Speaker 3 We know Tucker, and I actually do buy that he was probably so caught off guard by that, and his headspace was in another place entirely. Probably what you were saying, that he was trying to.

Speaker 10 But it shows that he doesn't really know who this guy is and what that movement is. We've gotten to know that movement.
And again, like we know they exist in the aura of whatever, right?

Speaker 10 But we totally disagree with the whole, there's a whole communist faction that's underlying with a lot of these guys that are outright communists that think that like the 1917 revolution is great.

Speaker 10 And we saw elements of this come out.

Speaker 4 Which, by the way,

Speaker 10 what's his name?

Speaker 4 And by the way, that's Hassan Piker said that at the Mandani

Speaker 4 Victory Party. He was talking about how he actually said, I wish the United States had not defeated the Soviet Union.

Speaker 10 I don't think that all kids realize they're signing up for that when they follow these guys.

Speaker 10 And again, I think that there's an element here where maybe like, maybe Tucker's not totally aware of that existence, but I think he is now. I think people should be now.

Speaker 10 They should be aware that there's a whole communist angle to that entire movement that we totally disagree with, and that there's nothing there that you could possibly ever commend.

Speaker 9 Well, and I do.

Speaker 10 And that's just the reality of it for me, like ideologically, is that, I mean, I studied, I mean, that's our connection, but I studied Soviet-era politics.

Speaker 10 There is so much intrinsically evil in communist ideology that to me, it's like kind of messing with ghosts.

Speaker 11 Yeah, it's like, like, was that a joke?

Speaker 11 It's like messing with the Ouija board too.

Speaker 4 Do you really mean that?

Speaker 10 It's like you messing with communist ideologies, like messing with a Ouija board. Because

Speaker 10 it's a hard situation.

Speaker 4 In the interest of just fairness,

Speaker 4 so the only time that I think Charlie came up at all, a few times, which were a few times, three or four times in it, and I'm going through the transcript right now.

Speaker 4 You know,

Speaker 4 it's them speaking out against violence.

Speaker 4 It's Nick saying that never should have happened, that Charlie was a conservative guy relative moderate. He's not a politician.

Speaker 4 You know, he got shot and then a hundred thousand liberals went on TikTok and celebrated. And then how can you integrate or harmonize with that? So, I mean, he was talking about violence, which is

Speaker 4 it that was Nick.

Speaker 4 And then so you hear, you know, so it which does make the solid thing. Like, you're like, wait, what? Does that mean? And he even said that

Speaker 4 they actually had a really good part where

Speaker 4 they were talking about, and I say good in relative terms, but I thought it was good that this narrative got out.

Speaker 4 That when they were talking about Tyler Robinson and talking about some of these new revelations, which we haven't even done on Thought Crime yet, of the Discord messages and some of the, like, the, there's like this leaker now in the Tyler Robinson.

Speaker 6 Oh, yeah, you friended it.

Speaker 4 And they mentioned this. So they're mentioning the LSD use, they're mentioning the weed use, the drug use, the Discords, the chat GPT obsession of the roommate in this.

Speaker 4 This is the transgender boyfriend

Speaker 4 in all of it. And so they, you know, it wasn't like a long time they were talking about it.
But

Speaker 4 what did he say? So I got the transcript again here. You know, this psychoactive substances, make-believe reality of the internet, totally disconnected from the real world.

Speaker 4 And I think they enter into this delusional state. I think that's where the shooter in Minneapolis, I think that

Speaker 4 if Tyler Robinson is found guilty, there's these interesting screenshots about him and his transgender boyfriend. It's the same story there.

Speaker 4 If that's true, I'd imagine it's not dissimilar with the guy who showed up. And,

Speaker 4 you know, and he's talking about the time that there was a guy who tried to,

Speaker 4 you know, allegedly tried to kill Nick as well, was, you know, was in kind of one of these like almost fugue states and was talking. So they were talking about political violence, right?

Speaker 4 They were talking about political violence and being extremely against it.

Speaker 4 And, you know, obviously that's what, you know, makes the Stalin comment weird, but that was the only time they brought up Charlie directly in the whole interview.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Well, listen,

Speaker 5 yeah.

Speaker 3 I mean, sorry, were you. Okay, good.
I'm not, I'm not cutting anybody off. Listen,

Speaker 4 I just want to point out that they did actually discuss Tyler Robinson kind of in depth.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and I just want to say something as well, though, too, is that

Speaker 3 and we should talk more about that because the radicalization elements and the drug use and this leaker is like actually a big development.

Speaker 3 But I would say that, you know, here, you know, I saw a lot of people like on social media basically sharing a speaker graphic from before Charlie even died of Amphest.

Speaker 4 This is the Amfest one, yeah. Yeah,

Speaker 3 with Tucker and Charlie still on it, and everybody's like, you know, all these people that now hate Tucker are like, you're disgraced, what you have done, what you have done is disgrace. And I'm like,

Speaker 3 how are we disgracing Charlie's?

Speaker 3 This is Charlie's graphic that he published when he was alive. And you're acting like we've somehow done something to disgrace Charlie.
And I will tell you one other thing, though.

Speaker 3 Charlie, I'm sure, would have been disappointed with aspects of that interview, probably that it even happened, okay?

Speaker 3 But I will tell you this. if you put Charlie against a corner and you tried to back him up against a wall, he would defy any moral blackmail that you can imagine.

Speaker 3 It was the one thing that I saw time and time and time again from Charlie, especially in the last couple of years. Like when you tried to coerce him or control him or emotionally manipulate him,

Speaker 3 like he would have defied the heck out of you just to defy you and not be controlled by you.

Speaker 10 100%. And I cannot reiterate what Andrew is saying enough, and I know we all agree with this, but I just want to reiterate this.
I don't always agree with

Speaker 10 anyone. I mean, you get married to people, you don't always agree with them, right? Like, you're clearly not always going to agree with everything that comes out of Tucker's mouth.

Speaker 10 We don't agree with everything that comes out of everyone's mouth that we invite to America Fest and that speak or that work with us. That doesn't mean that they're not,

Speaker 10 they still can't be your friend. And Tucker was a friend to Charlie.
Charlie was a friend to Tucker.

Speaker 10 And, you know, where it goes from here, here, you know, Tucker could change his entire mantra and everything else, right?

Speaker 10 But there is still always going to exist a friendship and a memory that exists with those two gentlemen. And we are way too close to the death of Charlie Kirk to be

Speaker 10 flying off the handles and

Speaker 10 making

Speaker 10 you know, preconceived conceived notions about people and where their head's at.

Speaker 10 And again, that's not to say that you're not going to disagree with him more later on, or you're not going to, or that you're always going to be in the same place that you were the day that Charlie was taken off this earth.

Speaker 10 He was taken from us.

Speaker 10 But you're always going to have that same bond that exists there and that respect that everyone should have, mutually respecting anyone that loved Charlie that much and that Charlie loved, you know, equally.

Speaker 10 Because again, Blake's work for the man

Speaker 10 has vocally disagreed with him in this segment that we're talking about.

Speaker 10 You could still have all that exists.

Speaker 4 I think you're the only one who worked for both, actually.

Speaker 10 And I want to say this is just, and this finished with this, is just

Speaker 10 honor Charlie's life by honoring that relationship. And that doesn't necessarily mean you have to agree.

Speaker 14 We've gotten questions.

Speaker 14 We get emails about this, and I respond to some of them where I just say, like, I mean, Charlie faced a lot of pressure to de-platform Tucker, a lot, and he consistently pushed back on that.

Speaker 14 And I don't know how Charlie would have reacted to this Nick interview in this world where it happens while he's still around, which could plausibly have happened, I think.

Speaker 14 I don't know how he'd have reacted to that, but we know how he responded to other things that made people pressure him.

Speaker 14 And I'll be honest, I think Charlie probably would not have liked this interview that Tucker did. I think he would have been quite annoyed with it.

Speaker 14 He would have been annoyed with it on several levels.

Speaker 3 There's actually really no doubt about it. Yeah, yeah, basically, yeah.

Speaker 3 he would have been really upset about it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, we would have been annoyed that it happened,

Speaker 14 but more annoyed at the nature of how it unfolded.

Speaker 3 Yeah, less so that it happened, probably, than

Speaker 3 the tone and tenor of it.

Speaker 7 Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 But then the question is,

Speaker 4 the second aspect of this is,

Speaker 4 would it have risen to the level of what all of these, you know, this, this

Speaker 4 caterwalling cacophony of whatever, you know, Greek choir saying, now Turning Point must do this.

Speaker 6 No, exactly.

Speaker 3 So this is what what I want to, this is a good point because it kind of reminds me of the underlying issue itself, which is Israel.

Speaker 3 And I say this time and again: it's like the world wants to force you into one of two buckets, pro or anti.

Speaker 3 And my opinion, there is about a hundred iterations between those two polar extremes. And yes, I think I expressed this the first time we talked about it, Blake.

Speaker 3 You could be disappointed in the way somebody talks about it

Speaker 3 or conducts an interview.

Speaker 3 But to Tyler's point while respecting the relationship and the friendship that is authentic and by the way I have a friendship with Tucker I'm sure many of us do and and it's like you know I have a personal you know friendship with him I actually really like the guy on a personal level and so you got to contend with that and to and beyond that is to understand that we exactly Tyler Charlie has barely been gone from us and and to think that we are in a position where that feels morally right to sort of

Speaker 3 upset the apple cart and change

Speaker 3 something that was so fundamental and so publicly expressed multiple times and privately expressed about

Speaker 3 these are his wishes. This is his organization.
He built this.

Speaker 3 And if somebody thinks that you're going to emotionally coerce us or morally blackmail us to do something, especially this soon afterwards, like, you know, go pound sand, honestly.

Speaker 4 But look where we are.

Speaker 3 But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 I also love those people that are frustrated about that. And so it's like, listen,

Speaker 3 when the whole movement is fighting against itself, then we're not going to win elections. We're not going to be focused on taking ground or taking territory.

Speaker 3 It's just going to be all some giant distraction. And I reject the premise in a general sense.

Speaker 4 No, I was just going to say, I mean, guys, let's zoom out for a second.

Speaker 14 We know where we are.

Speaker 4 Look where we're sitting right now. This is the Charlie Kirk studio.
This is the Charlie Kirk chair.

Speaker 14 It's the Bitcoin.com Charlie Kirk studio. Hey!

Speaker 18 Got to get back to that, by the way.

Speaker 4 But no, it's Charlie's chair, and we leave the chair empty for a reason, all right? We leave the chair empty out of honor for our friend. And

Speaker 4 that's the reason that it's there. And what was it?

Speaker 4 Not even two months yet? It's not even two months. And we're sitting here going through all of this.

Speaker 4 And then people are coming in trying to make demands and trying to make people say, oh, you know, this is about, about, you know, this is about what are you going to do?

Speaker 4 It's like, well, how about we're just going to honor Charlie's wishes? How about, yeah, how about

Speaker 9 what? No, not even that.

Speaker 10 We're just going to do our best to try our best.

Speaker 10 Because it's like, that's what, that's the world in which we're living in right now. It's like everyone literally just trying to do their best to not speak for Charlie.

Speaker 10 You know, you just don't do that to the dead. You don't do that to those who have moved on.
That's right. You try to live up to the standard that they left left

Speaker 10 the expectations that you know that he had for you and that you have for yourself.

Speaker 6 By the way,

Speaker 7 how about this?

Speaker 3 How about you pick up a phone and you call people

Speaker 3 instead of trying to just tweeting at them or even get or even better get to work, do something productive.

Speaker 25 That's what I've said back to people.

Speaker 10 It's like do something productive. But here's the thing.

Speaker 3 Again,

Speaker 3 I had this old pastor friend. He actually

Speaker 3 married my wife and I at our wedding. But he used to say, the meaning of life is relationship.
relationship with God, relationship with one another.

Speaker 3 And I so believe that, actually, because you know, and when we talk about this, we're talking about it in

Speaker 3 the context of, like I said, I have a friendship with Tucker. Charlie has a friendship with, had a friendship with Tucker.
Jack, you have a friendship with Tucker. Blake, you have a friendship.

Speaker 3 That has not precluded any of us to say, wish the interview would have maybe been a little bit different. But the point is, is that these things are done in the context of a relationship.

Speaker 3 And we also like, forgive us our trespasses, you know, Lord, you know, as we forgive those who trespass against us.

Speaker 4 Forgive us first.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and by the way, and by the way, like, I don't have a relationship with Nick Fuentes. I've never met the guy.

Speaker 3 And by the way, it's always been contentious, but I do have one with some of these people that we're talking about. And that means something to me.

Speaker 3 So, listen, and by the way, that means something to me when I'm talking about some of the evangelicals that are upset or some of the Jewish friends that are upset. I get it.
This is contentious stuff.

Speaker 3 But, like, instead of just going for the, you know, the

Speaker 3 thing that's not a good thing.

Speaker 4 I was about to say

Speaker 4 it. And then it's like, oh, right.
Go in for the

Speaker 6 clickbait. Clickbait.

Speaker 3 Instead of going for cheap clicks or blowing up relationships or blowing up coalitions, I talked about this all the time with Charlie. And actually, I didn't talk about it all the time.

Speaker 3 It became a very, very important conversation probably two weeks before he died. Charlie and I had like an hour-long conversation about this.
I'll never forget it.

Speaker 3 And it was based off of a bunch of texts we sent back and forth to each other. And then we talked about it.
And it was basically putting a hierarchy of the virtues as the Greeks had them.

Speaker 3 And he was basically saying, like, listen, anybody can tear down.

Speaker 3 Anybody can

Speaker 3 be an ankle biter. Anybody for performative clickbait measures just say crazy stuff.
Okay?

Speaker 3 And but

Speaker 3 what is much rarer in the higher of the virtues is being a philosopher, being a statesman, being a coalition builder.

Speaker 3 And he was very, very clear that the mission of Turning Point is to not be ankle biters, not to be performative social media artists, is none of that stuff.

Speaker 3 It's to be coalition builders and statesmen and philosophers.

Speaker 3 By God's grace, we are going to pursue that mission on Charlie's behalf and on Turning Point's behalf and for the country's behalf because listen, like there's a lot of people that want to tear each other down.

Speaker 3 And I'm just, like, again, I'm going to say it. I'm going to to reject the premise.
I'm rejecting the premise.

Speaker 3 And we're going to try and keep the darn coalition together if it's the last darn thing any of us do.

Speaker 4 And there's something that Tyler said that it just has to be brought up, the timing of this, is they launched all of this at the time we were having an election.

Speaker 4 At the time that we were having a contentious election, a couple of key races. So we just talked about Mondami in New York City.
We just talked about Jersey.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, we've been talking about Jersey. We've been talking about Virginia, et cetera.
Jay Jones, by the way, talking about political violence, right? What is it?

Speaker 4 1.5 million people just voted for a guy who said he wants to kill our kids. So that's, yeah, that's great.
So we're supposed to unite with those people now.

Speaker 4 We're supposed to, we're supposed to harmonize with them. And

Speaker 4 all of these people spent their time infighting, spent their time ankle biting, attacking,

Speaker 4 you know, you know, attacking one another and doing this infighting. What were they not doing? Talking to their followers about going out and getting involved in the race.

Speaker 14 Some were telling their followers to actively not not vote.

Speaker 4 I mean, it's just, it's just like, it's ridiculous.

Speaker 10 It's ridiculous. And, guys, we've seen this before.
I mean, we've been tracking this for a long time. We just went through an entire election cycle where there were people that were adjacent.

Speaker 10 I'm not going to say Groipers

Speaker 10 in total, in totality here, but adjacent to Groipers. But there were many of these people too that were Nick followers who were telling people actively not to vote.
This is not a new thing.

Speaker 10 This is, and it's weird. It's not weird to me.
Everything happens for a reason. But isn't it weird that this happened just a few weeks before this, you know, this election?

Speaker 10 I mean, I'm just going to tell you, I'm not going to be the conspiracy theorist here, but I do believe there's a lot of funding and a lot of pushing and pulling.

Speaker 10 And some of this is organic, some of it is not organic, where there is actual pushing to try to harm Republicans in elections leading up to elections on this stuff.

Speaker 3 I don't disagree.

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Speaker 14 Can we just at least play the EBT videos?

Speaker 3 Yeah, let's do EBT.

Speaker 4 We got to do EBT.

Speaker 3 EBT, like, that's a fan favorite, too.

Speaker 4 This has been one that we've been talking about doing for a long time, a topic that we wanted to hit.

Speaker 4 And you should drive.

Speaker 3 You don't drive EBT.

Speaker 4 So, Blake, what is EBTs of TikTok?

Speaker 14 So, obviously, we already have libs of TikTok. Chaya Raychik was a big pioneer of highlighting.
How do we say it? I don't know these names.

Speaker 14 Yeah, anyway.

Speaker 4 So, Haya, Haya Raychik, whatever. It's like Chanika.

Speaker 13 Chanica.

Speaker 23 Yeah.

Speaker 13 Look, I don't.

Speaker 14 I am not from New York, to say the least.

Speaker 6 Anyway.

Speaker 24 Is it Hebrew, right?

Speaker 23 Chanika.

Speaker 7 All right, go ahead. Go ahead.

Speaker 14 Anyway, she pioneered people will post shockingly bad videos of themselves on TikTok being insane. And also, just social media has been great.

Speaker 14 I think people have learned a lot about the true nature of like crime in America just from social media.

Speaker 14 They've learned a lot about what life is really like in a lot of parts of American society they're not a part of.

Speaker 14 And what we've had with the freak out over SNAP funding, over EBT possibly being, well, I guess actually being suspended now with the government shutdown ongoing is people have gotten a direct encounter with how

Speaker 14 some Americans who are on government programs basically relate to these these government programs,

Speaker 14 both, you know, SNAP supplementary nutritional assistance program, the idea, you know, food stamps, the idea, you know, you're using these to get what you need to survive.

Speaker 14 And what people are learning is there's a lot of people who are on SNAP who don't work and don't really want to work and feel entitled to not work.

Speaker 14 There are people who have figured out the not exceptionally difficult task of converting food stamps into literally anything else you want to buy stamps and all of that.

Speaker 14 And we have amazing clips of them doing this.

Speaker 11 And they're on TikTok and by the way.

Speaker 14 And then they're uploaded to X so that those of us who aren't on TikTok can watch it.

Speaker 4 To your point, though, by the way, this isn't just something that we're talking about because this is something that Charlie talked about. Let's play clip 323.

Speaker 2 The number one objective of any social welfare program should be how do we keep the family together and put dads back in the family.

Speaker 2 Unfortunately, in the black community, dads are the most absent of any community. About two-thirds of all black youth will be raised without a stable father around.

Speaker 3 And I know it's crazy, right?

Speaker 2 And that little precious angel of yours deserves to have a father around. And unfortunately, as we've removed dads from families, government has come in and has taken the place.

Speaker 2 So some people need help and they need social assistance. All of that should be about incentivizing the dad staying around, not the dad leaving.

Speaker 14 Okay,

Speaker 14 that was Charlie.

Speaker 14 Now we have the video.

Speaker 32 Contrast the Bijar.

Speaker 4 So that's Charlie telling us what we should want in

Speaker 4 a country that has, of course, our Christian values and that we don't want people to be left behind, et cetera. We all agree with that.

Speaker 4 So let's go see the people now that have been using Snap Benefits and EBT brought to us courtesy of EBTs of TikTok.

Speaker 18 Blake, let's do

Speaker 14 man, there's so many of these, and I actually haven't watched most of them yet. How about we just go with let's just go in order 327.
Let's do 327. Yeah.

Speaker 33 So, you just can't get your hair done this month. You can't get your nails done this month.

Speaker 33 And them lashes that you have on little like windshield wipers, yeah, you're going to have to try to glue them on yourself so you can feed them little raggedy kids of y'all. That's right.

Speaker 22 That's right.

Speaker 33 But that's just being responsible. That's being responsible.
But when you do that, bring your ID because then I'm going to be seeing the real you.

Speaker 10 And I've never seen the real you.

Speaker 33 So I can know who you are. So I'm going to need you to have some ID because I'm going to call you because of all that shit.

Speaker 18 I don't know y'all.

Speaker 33 I don't know none of y'all. because I'm not caring two people today.
I was like, Miss V, it's me.

Speaker 13 Like, who are you?

Speaker 33 Talisha.

Speaker 33 Oh,

Speaker 33 that's the real you.

Speaker 14 So, I can't tell. Is she on EBT or is she just making fun of people who are?

Speaker 16 She's making fun of you.

Speaker 8 She's making fun of them.

Speaker 12 If we book her on the show,

Speaker 16 that's a pretty darn breakdown.

Speaker 9 Do we have some?

Speaker 8 I want the people who are

Speaker 8 328.

Speaker 22 And I just really want to know why these restaurants and why these supermarkets aren't giving out free food during this government shutdown.

Speaker 22 Like, they have food to spare.

Speaker 22 Very obviously, they have food to spare. They have food that they could give away to people that's affected by this government shutdown.

Speaker 27 Then, when are stealing,

Speaker 2 then it's going to be an issue.

Speaker 22 I really don't get why these companies aren't doing more

Speaker 28 to help

Speaker 22 during this government shutdown. is really

Speaker 22 it's really doing something to me it's really really doing something to me uh

Speaker 4 i i want to skip this dude uh three two one

Speaker 28 and people are going to start i'm telling you this is going to be a thing people are going to start instead of stealing groceries from the stores they're going to start watching people go to their cars and they're going to take all of their groceries and you know what the store gonna do

Speaker 35 not our problem

Speaker 10 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 10 So instead of stealing straight from the grocery stores, people are gonna start to

Speaker 4 the parking lot.

Speaker 18 Which, by the way,

Speaker 16 the other one is waiting.

Speaker 4 That gets us back to the shopping cart theory.

Speaker 5 Oh, no.

Speaker 16 Yes.

Speaker 14 I had some brutal shopping cart moments.

Speaker 4 You have moments of shopping carts?

Speaker 8 No, like I was like.

Speaker 4 Does everyone remember? You guys remember the shopping cart theory? The cultural. The citizen puts back the cart.

Speaker 14 The citizen puts back the cart.

Speaker 10 Have you seen the guy that goes around and he slaps magnets on their doors when they don't put their cartoons?

Speaker 4 Yeah, he's like shaming them. Yeah, he shoots them.

Speaker 3 Just some bad magnets.

Speaker 14 I've seen some brutal cart abandonment in some grocery stores lately. Like in the Phoenix area here? Yeah, in the Phoenix area.
And just

Speaker 10 so this guy does videos and he goes around

Speaker 10 and he's the cart police or he calls them something.

Speaker 9 And so he waits.

Speaker 10 He waits and when they don't put their cart away, it's like a big magnet and he slaps it on their car when they're driving away.

Speaker 29 This is like the...

Speaker 10 Like you should put your cart away and people get this is like a more heroic way.

Speaker 19 They get out of those guys.

Speaker 25 It's like those guys who are just fixed to their car.

Speaker 10 They just say, like, you, you are a, like, it's like basically a bad citizen for not putting your card away. Amazing.
And they get out of the car and they start screaming like every time.

Speaker 10 Like everyone.

Speaker 14 I don't know if they worked that hard at being a human being.

Speaker 10 No, they spend more energy yelling at this guy than they putting the car away. It's just, and he just runs away from it.

Speaker 14 Not even like citizenship versus non-citizen. It's like, if you do not put the card away, you are no better than a mere beast.

Speaker 32 Wait, there's a card.

Speaker 31 This one separates us from the animals.

Speaker 4 Wait, guys, There's another, there's another clip it here.

Speaker 4 It says, so so three two one is like double printed on the clip sheet, but there's one that says complain someone's complaining about having to use their own money. That's three three one.

Speaker 4 Okay, let's hit it. Hit that one, yeah.

Speaker 36 Them people really didn't give us our stamps.

Speaker 36 It's like day two, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 35 I did my on the first, you know. I'm I'm first at a mile around this,

Speaker 36 but it's the second, and I just went to go peek. And I'm like, you know, maybe they would have gave a little sprinkle, sprinkle.

Speaker 35 My bad.

Speaker 33 Them I gave sh.

Speaker 36 I ain't got no yamps.

Speaker 35 I just spent cash money on five items at the store. Mind you, it was only $20, but I still got bills to pay.
I still got mother bills to pay.

Speaker 35 I'm not trying to spend it on that. I'm supposed to be getting food stamps for it.
Quit playing with me. Like, what the

Speaker 14 apparently only about one-third of food stamp houses have children.

Speaker 14 And part of that is that there's more elderly people on food stamps. Yeah.
So there's part of that.

Speaker 14 But I think there is also just we kind of have a robust pool of Americans who don't really want to work, I guess, or try to work.

Speaker 3 Well, this is the whole thing with, and you see this with the Obamacare subsidies and healthcare, too. Once you put subsidies in an economy, into a marketplace, removing those is almost impossible.

Speaker 14 It's like an atrocity.

Speaker 7 People

Speaker 3 they adjust their spending habits to this new reality, right? So if they're

Speaker 16 entitled.

Speaker 3 Yeah, but they've gotten a more expensive place to rent, or they've got more subscriptions per month, or they're new TVs, or whatever the thing is that their monthly budget now.

Speaker 3 So you can't pull it back without them feeling like the government and the Republicans and Trump are hurting me. This is essentially what it is.

Speaker 14 And it's rough because you can basically eventually

Speaker 14 eventually you actually go broke and the whole thing falls apart.

Speaker 25 It's so many different.

Speaker 14 And there's so many different versions. And we should be clear: there's versions of this.
We can talk about Snap here, but there's also a ton of people.

Speaker 14 It's like a way of life to get on social security disability that you don't need to be elderly for. You get yourself basically classed as disabled.

Speaker 14 You live on whatever they pay out to you, which it doesn't have to be that much.

Speaker 14 But if you, you know, live with a family member and you're okay not doing much with your life, you can make 15K go pretty far. And so there's people who live on that.
There's,

Speaker 14 especially in like states like California or New York, there's all these additional state programs you can milk along.

Speaker 18 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 3 And by the way, I'll never forget. So I actually are in California, had our daughter.
So and a guy that

Speaker 3 apparently, I didn't realize this. So he was one of the workers that

Speaker 3 was working next door on a construction, so on a house, a renovation next door. And I would see him kind of, because this renovation went on for like six months.
So I would see him next door.

Speaker 3 I'd say, hey, you know, here and there. Anyway, so we're at the hospital

Speaker 3 and we have our kid. And down the hall is this Mexican dude who doesn't really speak much English, also at the hospital having his own kid.
And so my wife,

Speaker 3 knowing that these guys are, you know, probably a little bit poor, she said, you should go offer to buy them like some meals or something like that. We should be good neighbors, right?

Speaker 3 So I go out and I start talking to this guy because my wife thinks I speak really good Spanish so I lived in Spain in college just study abroad so I start talking to him and I say hey Andrew song hit the Andrew song are you guys doing okay can we help you my wife wants to help since we saw you at the hospital and the guy goes oh no no like my wife's an American citizen but since I'm like an immigrant that the state of California has paid for all of our hospital bills and they've given us a monthly stipend and so like we're doing great my wife took care of all of it and I was like so wait there's this immigrant here that's here illegally apparently but he's married to an american so it's like it's pretty you know this was their first kid right it all happened yes yes

Speaker 3 and that it's my the andrew theme i love that that's the andrew thing so so this guy he's getting all these government subsidies and benefits for simply having a kid and being an illegal and

Speaker 3 you know And here we are trying to do a good Christian thing, trying to help him out. And

Speaker 3 my tax dollars were already going to this gentleman and his newborn American citizen kid. It was pretty shocking, actually, because I just thought, you know, that's kind of frustrating.

Speaker 3 Pretty frustrating that our labor and our toil is going to this guy. He's a nice guy, whatever.
It's just, but the whole system's pretty frustrating like that, Blake.

Speaker 11 It's just you articulate it well.

Speaker 14 You know, they sometimes they'll just do like the to Americas thing, and there is

Speaker 14 a lot of people in America who

Speaker 14 kind of,

Speaker 14 like it's become a lifestyle to find different ways of being on the dole. And it's like people don't even occur, like obvious things.
So you can, like, people will take,

Speaker 14 like, there's a pretty well-developed economy for swapping SNAP, swapping EBT benefits for monetary equivalent things, you know, some small rate of depreciation on it.

Speaker 14 And, or like underground economies for selling shoplifted goods. There's places where it's just routine, like, oh, I can get this good cheaper because someone is going to shoplift it for me.

Speaker 14 People will make requests. They'll make requests for something to be shoplifted for them, and then they'll buy it more cheaply.
And there's this whole,

Speaker 14 you know, in the kind of the underclass of American life where this happens. And having a nicer country, you can't just write off the underclass because everything's on a spectrum.

Speaker 14 How nice your city is to live in is heavily dependent on how quality or low quality like your bottom 5% of people are.

Speaker 14 Are they just, you know, do they have lower-end jobs or do they have no jobs at all?

Speaker 14 Are they basically, like, are the criminal people locked up or are they kind of allowed to roam freely and attack people? All of these things make a difference in how quality your life is.

Speaker 14 And, you know, the Snap EBT stuff does matter. It matters a lot whether people on the lower end are purely kind of just living off government money or if they are working some kind of job.

Speaker 4 Well, and in

Speaker 4 the vein of that, let's play Clip 329.

Speaker 34 It's so crazy that the president have a felony. Your baby daddy had a felony, but he can't have no job.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 34 that's how the people got to be on food stamps because baby daddy can't get no job because he got felonies. And,

Speaker 34 you know, that requires you to go get on food stamps, right?

Speaker 10 Hmm. Wait, felons? Wait, felons can get food stamps? I'm sure.

Speaker 9 Well, she's getting the food stamps.

Speaker 8 Yeah, she was getting them.

Speaker 14 She's saying that her baby daddy can't get a job, or some hypothetical baby daddy. I'm not sure if it was hers specifically, but

Speaker 3 lots of well, and we saw this after night after COVID because COVID is just all subsidies galore.

Speaker 3 And by the way,

Speaker 14 and that was another heating frenzy thing where it was, oh, we'll help your small business. And it pretty quickly, the word got around of no one's seriously checking this.

Speaker 14 Make your super basic business that's you know a limo service or something, you know, some sort of job that's like easy to have one employee in, and you can get $10,000 and it'll be written off later.

Speaker 14 Some of these guys are

Speaker 14 immigration is so full of that. You know, the word got out circa 2020 again with TikTok and everything.
Do these things and you can get past the Border Patrol in the U.S.

Speaker 14 You know, say you're under 18, even if you're over. We have tons of accounts of 30-year-olds ending up in high schools.

Speaker 14 You know, you can say one of these five stories will make you have a credible asylum claim, and then you'll get a court hearing.

Speaker 14 It'll be a while from now, and no one will follow up if you don't show up to it.

Speaker 4 The word gets out

Speaker 29 on how to exploit the system.

Speaker 14 And in far too many things, we have a system that was basically the honor system. And, you know, it might have worked when honor was

Speaker 14 had a lot of currency in America, and now it doesn't.

Speaker 4 Yeah, this is also, by the way,

Speaker 4 it gets us back to the Mondami, right?

Speaker 4 It gets us back because if we're going to import Gimmigrans to this country, that's the song, then, and who don't have that same sense of honor in their home cultures, who don't even have the concept of earning in their culture because they only have a concept of obtaining and receiving and having.

Speaker 7 Well, or,

Speaker 3 you know, a grievance-based

Speaker 3 ideology of hit them. Because white Europeans have been such a vile scourge upon the world for so many centuries now that we have to take back what was then.

Speaker 4 All of these systems completely fall apart. However, however, there may be a little bit of a silver lining here, perhaps some hope, because this is going to flip the entire conversation around.

Speaker 4 PlayClip 122.

Speaker 9 This program is keeping a lot of people unmarried, uneducated, don't want to, you know, do anything that will hinder their opportunity

Speaker 32 or their chance to lose their benefits.

Speaker 37 Only in America do we have people that have $1,200 iPhones checking to see if their SNAP benefits hit.

Speaker 27 Anyone who's on welfare, not for a disability, but because they can't provide for themselves, should not have the ability to vote in our society.

Speaker 23 I don't have kids.

Speaker 23 But

Speaker 10 there's no way that I have kids

Speaker 23 and I'm waiting on somebody else to feed them.

Speaker 4 So there you go. Perhaps, perhaps there's a silver lining that some people are actually pointing out that, no, these programs are big problems.
And

Speaker 4 how many times did Charlie point out that the Great Society program, which goes back to his much maligned criticism of LBJ's 1960s programs,

Speaker 4 has completely destroyed certain communities in this country by bringing in big government, which goes back to the original turning point slogan of big gov sucks, that big government becomes dad and therefore you don't need dad.

Speaker 4 It destroys the families because

Speaker 4 it kind of destroys your ability or your incentive to behave responsibly right so if if the government's going to come in and backstop you on everything then it creates moral hazard right why would you behave responsibly if you know the government's just going to give you everything yeah and they're all on iphones and i'm just going to and by the way can i just say this those

Speaker 4 okay i'm just going to say it i'm just going to say it none of them look particularly hungry to me They don't, they don't look particularly needy. That's, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 14 If you want a glowy brain thing, no one in America is actually, like, no one starves to to death in America, which is nice. Starvation was a thing that happened.

Speaker 6 I'm glad we don't have to.

Speaker 14 In many countries in the past, America's main problem among for healthy young people is extreme obesity.

Speaker 4 Many of those countries, by the way, embrace the same policies of like, I don't know, Zora Mandani or Joseph Stalin.

Speaker 14 Yeah, and, you know, we don't have starvation. So like, they always have to define it down.
So now they call it hunger.

Speaker 14 And if you dig into what they label as, you know, hunger, they'll talk about food insecurity. And it'll be things like, a lot of people, they don't know where their next meal will come from.

Speaker 14 I don't know where my next meal is going to come from. My fridge is empty right now.

Speaker 3 Well, that's a particular blake.

Speaker 14 Yeah, that's me being a weird animal. Hey, Blake,

Speaker 3 I think this is a good place to wrap up because if you insert this stuff into the culture, it's so difficult to extract it.

Speaker 3 And one of the things that I love when you talk about is the, you probably got some of this during the Great Depression and the New Deal, right, Democrats.

Speaker 3 But then in the 60s, again, you had this new wave of government subsidies and handouts and welfare programs.

Speaker 3 Explain the difference between before and after, the American psychology of what it meant to take welfare and the honor and the dishonor that that was.

Speaker 13 And then after, how long did that take?

Speaker 15 Well,

Speaker 14 one of the saddest things in hindsight to read is when they're rolling out the Great Society, which is LBJ's big welfare state thing, they would run into the problem that a lot of Americans would, out of pride, refuse to sign up for government programs.

Speaker 14 It was considered shameful to go on the dole.

Speaker 14 And when you think of how immensely successful America was for so long, you've got to think a society where it is shameful to go on the dole

Speaker 14 is probably going to be more successful than one where there is no shame.

Speaker 14 When there's no shame about being dependent on other people, to be dependent on the collective, then people are more likely to do it. And when you do that,

Speaker 14 it's a habit that you sink into.

Speaker 14 And one of the most important parts of maturity, and that a lot of people realize when they grow up, is you kind of become

Speaker 14 what you are based on what your habits are, what you do every single day.

Speaker 14 And if it is a habit, if it is a habit to take advantage of every way of getting free money, then it can become a habit to exploit this or to

Speaker 14 get as much of it as possible and to avoid other like more

Speaker 14 socially beneficial ways of making money like in the long run you just have a worse society a worse country

Speaker 4 but i'm just gonna like it it still comes back though to mass immigration because there are parts of the world where what we would consider scamming, what we would consider gaming the system, lying for benefit are not necessarily considered shameful at all.

Speaker 14 Yeah, or at least certainly when abstracted out. A big thing

Speaker 14 that is not universal is this sort of sense of general obligations towards all of society or like the state apparatus.

Speaker 14 There are a lot of people who come from societies that are that are insular and clannish. And so you couldn't cheat your brother, your cousin,

Speaker 14 your, yeah, your person who's in your

Speaker 25 own group.

Speaker 14 But you can do anything to someone who's outside of that group.

Speaker 31 And that's, that's the historical norm.

Speaker 14 That's how probably everybody was 10,000 years ago.

Speaker 14 It was a rough process to change.

Speaker 4 One of my buddies who was deployed to Afghanistan,

Speaker 4 I remember we were having this conversation just talking about the cultural differences, Eastern, Western.

Speaker 4 And he was saying that in America, it's considered corrupt for you to hire your family and give, you know, from a government position and give them contracts and

Speaker 4 take care of your family. That's because you're corrupt.
In Afghanistan, if you don't hire your family and give them public contracts and

Speaker 4 public funds, you'd be considered corrupt.

Speaker 3 Well, this, this is, this is, you're totally right about immigration because America, you talk about historic levels of excellence and success as a society.

Speaker 3 And we basically, either it was hubris or it was ideological rot that was creeping in. And you talk about this with the, what do you call it, the blue banana.

Speaker 3 And maybe you can explain this, but essentially, most of the world's progress and innovation has come from a very

Speaker 14 tiny slice

Speaker 3 of civilization.

Speaker 14 Yeah, I think the blue banana is specifically like an area of high urbanization, but you don't need to zoom it out a lot. And it's

Speaker 3 basically London to

Speaker 6 London.

Speaker 8 Yeah, it's like

Speaker 14 London to Florence, basically.

Speaker 6 London to Florence.

Speaker 3 You can track most of the good things in the world from this region.

Speaker 14 A lot of them. Yeah, just a huge amount.
Huge.

Speaker 11 But basically,

Speaker 3 instead of going with respect, we're not going to screw these places up because they're too precious to humanity.

Speaker 3 We go, let's just import a bunch of people that have no idea what the heck that culture is or where it came from.

Speaker 14 Some of this is self-inflicted because one of the traits of sort of that is like a universalizing outlook on life.

Speaker 14 A persistent, a persistent arrogance of a lot of

Speaker 14 like, you know, historically like

Speaker 14 English, German, like European peoples is sort of the assumption that everyone is innately like them. This is still a critique we make of liberals.
They like assume everyone in the world is sort of a,

Speaker 14 you know, Brooklyn liberal waiting to like come out after you, like, chip away at everything. Yeah, well,

Speaker 3 that is kind of the liberal assumption that people are inherently good. People are inherently good.

Speaker 23 But that is not actually biblical.

Speaker 3 Biblical is that we were made good and that we fell and that there's evil in the world, and we need to sort of repent from the evil.

Speaker 3 You need, you know, that is actually the biblical view of human nature: is that we were made good, made in God's image, but then there is a fall.

Speaker 3 Evil is inserted in the world, so you have to deal with evil. This is why we have police.
This is why we have locks on our door. This is why the two-way crowd

Speaker 3 is ascendant, really. But here's the point, though.
America is kind of like in the 20th century, maybe even the 19th century, is the blue banana writ large.

Speaker 3 It's sort of like the innovation came from this country. And instead of having a respect for the

Speaker 3 primordial goo that makes up this country, the foundational elements, the societal core, the culture and the character,

Speaker 3 we've just said, oh, screw it. We're going to open the doors and throw open the doors to the business.

Speaker 14 There's a line, I think, from some French leftist, but I can't remember for sure, that is like, behind any great fortune is a great crime. And this is basically a very third world outlook to have.

Speaker 16 It's so low.

Speaker 15 It's a world, it's so funny.

Speaker 14 It's a world that is zero sum. It's a world where there is not like progress and industry and modern stuff.
And it kind of is a world that often makes sense if you're from a backward society.

Speaker 14 Yeah, if you're from a society where everyone is kind of roughly equally leveled and all of your wealth just sort of probably comes from being a renter, a rentier, like an owner.

Speaker 14 Like, yeah, you might have to do something pretty bad to get a great fortune.

Speaker 4 This is like idiotic book, Guns, Germs, and Steel. Was it Jared Diamond? Jared Diamond.

Speaker 4 It's so stupid.

Speaker 14 But in real life, it's like, okay, actually, no, if you wanted to behind a great fortune, if you're in America in 1955, what's behind your fortune?

Speaker 14 Probably that you or someone in your family developed and created something of enormous value to millions of people. So you enhanced the Bessemer process for developing steel.

Speaker 14 You figured out a way to sell ice cream to millions of people and you could make it in a factory.

Speaker 3 There's the blue banana, by the way.

Speaker 14 It's innately that like wealth coming from value creation and the more value you create, the more benefits that accrue to you.

Speaker 14 And that is the winning combination that worked in America at its peak, that worked in the UK at its peak, that worked in a lot of countries when they're peaking.

Speaker 14 And it's actually why, you know, China is rising now.

Speaker 13 China's gotten better at adding value to things.

Speaker 3 That's why Charlie loved Elon Musk, candidly.

Speaker 3 Because instead of making wealth selling financial instruments and pieces of paper and finding a way to exploit or predict the market, he's actually making physical objects.

Speaker 14 He developed an incredibly innovative electric car.

Speaker 12 I have one.

Speaker 14 Developed incredibly innovative.

Speaker 14 He is like, I'm going to build rockets and I'm going to make them affordable. And I'm going to put the internet in space.

Speaker 14 It was almost an accident, a side effect. Oh, we need to figure out how to make money off of this.

Speaker 14 That he puts thousands of satellites in orbit and now, oh, you can actually just get Wi-Fi anywhere on your own.

Speaker 3 i need you to explain this to me apparently now there's a yellow and green banana oh they're making new bananas all the time this feels very leftist yeah yeah where they have to be incorporated because of the incorporating no no no because it's it's it's because industrialization and urbanization has spread across europe now from the original blue banana all right Blake, do you have an answer here?

Speaker 8 Are you still?

Speaker 14 Well, I'm looking at, now my screen is, I've got the original definition of the blue banana was.

Speaker 3 Throw it up when you have it, studio. But we should wrap it.

Speaker 14 Yeah, well, so part of this, by the way, way, the reason I flag that is the blue banana is actually mostly a historically urbanized zone.

Speaker 16 But it's always been a very high population city.

Speaker 14 And so now you have these other big cities is what's going on there. But it also, that historical blue banana is also just, if you look at,

Speaker 14 you know, you can read the history of European science and industry and philosophy and all the big innovations. And they just come, it's not even, they come from Europe.

Speaker 14 They come from a remarkably narrow slice of Europe.

Speaker 8 Why isn't there not many

Speaker 4 Rome in it?

Speaker 14 I mean, Rome actually hasn't been that great since

Speaker 11 Rome is where the church is

Speaker 14 held back innovation. Northern Italy is where

Speaker 14 the really dynamic

Speaker 14 scientist types are coming from.

Speaker 14 Yeah, like Galileo.

Speaker 8 Has Galileo work?

Speaker 14 He works in Pisa, I think.

Speaker 10 Has anyone here actually had a real blue banana, though? Those things are supposed to be delicious. That's a thing?

Speaker 12 It's a thing.

Speaker 9 I think I may have in Guamba.

Speaker 10 It's called a blue Java banana.

Speaker 13 Yeah,

Speaker 16 Galileo, born in Pisa. Wait, time out.
Time out. This is really important.

Speaker 4 I want to talk about my taste a little bit more and all the things I experienced.

Speaker 10 It allegedly tastes like vanilla ice cream.

Speaker 9 I really want to really create it.

Speaker 4 I was inside in Guam did not taste like vanilla ice cream. I've never heard of this.

Speaker 9 Look it up.

Speaker 8 I have a blue Java banana.

Speaker 6 Blue Java.

Speaker 9 It's more of like maroon.

Speaker 4 A blue Java.

Speaker 10 And you keep talking about it. We have to wrap.

Speaker 3 We have to wrap now.

Speaker 9 A blue Java bananas.

Speaker 5 Here's the deal. Here's the deal.

Speaker 3 We had to do this thought crime to cleanse ourselves of many things, including the election,

Speaker 3 some of the controversies.

Speaker 10 Except for Arizona.

Speaker 15 Except for Arizona.

Speaker 3 Well done, Turning Point Action. And in New Hampshire.

Speaker 3 You want to take us home?

Speaker 4 No, I think we learned a lot. I think tonight was.
That was a good conversation. I think tonight we had some important conversations.
EBT is a TikTok, by the way, that's on Twitter.

Speaker 4 So give them, I have no idea who runs it, give them a follow. That looks like a great account.
I love these like

Speaker 4 archive cartnarks. Is that what it's called? Yeah.

Speaker 7 Oh, I love that name.

Speaker 4 And oh, by the way, throw it up: 342 for Tyler.

Speaker 4 There we go. There she is.

Speaker 12 Arizona.

Speaker 8 So,

Speaker 4 rhino patrolled. Dorian Taylor is now on the Mesa City Council.

Speaker 18 Yeah, that's great.

Speaker 6 That's a great character. It is.
It's a big win.

Speaker 3 It's a big win because, guess what?

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 if she wouldn't have won, do you have any idea? We had Politico, New York Times, all these people,

Speaker 3 they would have stomped all over it.

Speaker 12 The New York Times

Speaker 12 following our Dorian Taylor.

Speaker 3 They absolutely would have used it it as an opportunity to tarnish Charlie. So God was watching out for me.

Speaker 4 Guys, if we could play the,

Speaker 4 and as we go out, could we just play the new theme song of Thought Crime?

Speaker 4 I need it louder. I need it louder.
I need more. Charlie more.
Let's get it up.

Speaker 3 Charlie would be very upset right now.

Speaker 3 Charlie

Speaker 3 would force us to go out on classical music. You know he would.

Speaker 10 I think Charlie liked Tika Masala, I think.

Speaker 20 Well, that's fine.

Speaker 3 Everybody likes Tika Masala.

Speaker 3 It's an export. It's an export from the blue banana.

Speaker 4 Ladies and gentlemen, as always,

Speaker 4 go out there and commit more thought crime.

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