Best of DLS: Bob Barker is Undoubtedly The Greatest Game Show Host Ever

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So that was an hour. Yes, it was.
That was something. I'd call that a great start.
What do we got next? All right, here we go.

So an interview from 2009. Who do you think Dan would have started by asking about Michael Vick and dog fighting in 2009? Oh, man.
It's Bob Barker, of course.

Yeah, Bob. Barker, I guess it dog barker.
It does make sense.

Well, no, it's also he, you know, he loves animals, but I like where your head's at uh more than anything else um yeah there's some really interesting stuff in that bob barker interview we also have um some muscular men carl weathers ed hockey

a game of douche or no douche with jj watt in which he refuses to say the word douche

and a story with jason taylor uh who was ready to fight jimmy johnson which of those which of those do you stands out to you the most here chris oh my god i mean jason taylor i can smell him just thinking about it i love the way that Dan and Stugats salivate over Carl Weathers and Ed Hockely.

I mean, and Jason Taylor, too. I mean, he smells delightful.
There are some, when J.J. Watt has the fourth best arms in an episode,

and Bob Barker throws punches. Let's get to it.
We hear him say the word, well, bleep over and over and over again.

Get excited.

Bob Barker with us.

Numerous Emmy Awards. Host of the Price is Right for 35 years.
Beloved American icon. And somebody who has raised millions, millions of dollars to help animals and animal rescue.
Millions of dollars.

Bob Barker with us on 790 the Ticket. I can't even imagine.
We're a sports show, so I can't imagine how Bob Barker experienced the Michael Vick news.

When you heard about Michael Vick fighting dogs, Bob Barker's reaction was what?

Well, Well, I was aghast.

I could not imagine a young man with the God-given talent that Vic has and the success he had

being involved in any way in something so horrible and so disgusting

as dog fighting. And

inadvertently, he has served a purpose. He brought attention to dog fighting like nothing that animal rights activists or authorities have been able to do.

And people who didn't even realize that dogfighting was going on, and of course it is, every place, all over the United States, and

people

who

weren't aware of it are suddenly very much aware of it. And

I understand that more dog fights are being reported. I understand that more charges are being filed and I understand that more convictions are being had as a result.

So without intending to, he's actually helped these poor fighting dogs a bit. If you want to check out some of the work that Bob Barker does with Animal Rescue, go to DJTFoundation.org.

DJTFoundation.org. Bob, should he be allowed, if you were the commissioner of the NFL, would you you allow him to play in the NFL again? Which would be great, by the way.

No, I would not allow him to play again. And if he does play, I hope people will boycott the games.
Really? Bob should be out there boycotting the games. You should lead that protest, Bob.

I beg your pardon?

You should lead that protest. If you do that,

you know how much attention you would bring to it? I would lead anything. 85 years old, Bob Barker with us on 790 the ticket.
Let's

are you the can you do this? I know

you're a humble man, but are you the best game show host ever? Undoubtedly.

How great was that, Stugatz? Undoubtedly. All right,

we're going to go on a list here of game show hosts, and I would like for you to just give me the first thing that pops into your mind, if you don't mind. All right.
A little word association.

Alex Trebeck. Alex Trebek is a great guy and a fine host.
Pat Sajak, he might rip a host here. Pat Sajak.
Pat Sajak is another splendid host and

has been instrumental in in keeping that show as popular as it's been for all these years. Chuck Woolery.
Chuck Woolery, I thought, was one of the very fine hosts as well.

And I can't understand why he's not still working, because the last time I saw him, it looks great. Wink Martindale.
Wink Martindale was a very successful disc jockey in Memphis.

They brought him out here, and he did a good job for many years. Also the best name of a game show host ever, correct? Wink Martindale, there's nothing to compare with it.
Richard Dawson.

Richard Dawson, I gave his first job as a host, so you know I liked him. I had him on a local show here in California.
It was his first hosting job.

He did a fine job and went on to great success in Family Feud.

Is there any game show host that you say is just terrible? That guy's no good at what he does. Well, I'm not going to say it.
I've seen some, I think, are pretty bad, yes.

Drew Carey stinks at your old job, right? Stinks. No, Drew Carey, actually, people ask me about Drew a lot, of course, and he does

exactly what he should do, in that

he doesn't imitate Bob Barker in any way. He does the show completely differently than I did.
And he doesn't imitate anybody else, any other host. He is himself, and apparently it's working out.

The show is still in the air, and that was two years ago.

Did you have any idea when you did Happy Gilmore with Adam Sandler that your scene would be talked about for years and years to come while you were doing the scene, The Price is Wrong?

It's one of the great surprises of my life. It really is.
I had no idea.

You know, Adam wrote that part of the movie himself, and he had watched Price is Right ever since he was a kid. And he wrote that for me.

He didn't tell me he was writing it, but then he sent it to me.

And

when I saw that I won the fight,

I said, I'll do the picture. You bet I will.
Because I'd been studying karate for years with

Chuck Norris, and Chuck used to come over and beat me up, and I'd never won a fight. So I thought, man, I want to do this picture.
So I did.

And I went up there, they shot it in Canada, and the director started telling me

you will be doing this, and you'll do that, and you'll do the other thing. And he said, Bob, I was in my early 70s then.

He said, don't worry about the fight. I have a stuntman to do the fight.
I said, oh, no. I came up here to win a fight.
I didn't come up here to watch a sun plan win the fight.

I said, I know how to fight. Let's fight.
And so I fought.

Did you say, let's fight?

Let's fight.

I mean, because did you ever... You know, everybody gets that line wrong.

One of you, when I first called, somebody said, the price is wrong, or the price is right. That's not where I did the line.
Adam did the line.

The price is right.

What I did,

I said, you've had enough. And he started to get up again.
I went back and I kicked him a few times. And then

I started walking away. And I said, now you've had enough.
And then I turned and said,

so my line was actually, now you've had enough.

Bob Barker with us on 790. Again, he raises millions of dollars.
No matter how they do the line, though, they always manage to get in. They know that.

He raises millions of dollars to fund animal rescue. Listen, I don't raise millions of dollars.
I spend millions of dollars. I finance that foundation myself, the DJ ⁇ T Foundation.

I finance it myself. I never make pleas for contributions.
I appreciate

the plug for the foundation, but I don't want you to try to get money for me because I spend my own on it.

DJTFoundation.org is where you go. DJT Foundation.org.
Bob Barker is with us on 790 the ticket.

Do you have like one moment, one moment above all others in your career that is the one that you say that's the most memorable moment in the history of The Price is Right? Well, I have,

I'll tell you the most memorable moment of The Price is Right in a moment, but the most memorable moment in my career, in my professional life, was December 21st, 1956 at five minutes past 12 noon when Ralph Edwards, who owned and created Truth or Consequences, called me and told me that I was to be the host.

I'd gone through a series of auditions. I'd never done a national show.

And Ralph called me, and with that one telephone call, he changed my life. And that was, that is, and that will always be the most important professional telephone call I've ever had.

And some people say, well, if Ralph hadn't called,

somebody else would have called. Maybe, maybe not.

And

so I'll never forget that call. Now,

as far as the most memorable moment on the price is right, that's no problem at all. It was the lady in the tube top.
You've probably heard the story. She was in the audience.

She was wearing a tube top. Her name was called to come on down.

She jumped to her feet, began jumping up and down, and both of them came out of the tube top. She came on down, and they came on out.

And no one ever forgot it.

You know you've got a good interview on your hands, Tugats, when you you just gloss over the part about he trained with Chuck Norris. I mean, you trained with Chuck Norris? Absolutely.
Yes.

I had Chuck on Truth or Consequences

when he was fighting. He was a middleweight champion at the time.
And

he did an exhibition of karate. I'd never seen karate, let alone do it.
But I was so impressed, I started taking lessons from him. And he used to come over here to my house, and

we'd work out, and he'd have a shower, and he'd go down not far from my home and

take acting classes. There was an actor studio down there then, at that time.
I think they may still be there. And

he and I trained together for eight years and then he got into pictures and he

set me up with Pat Johnson who was a fighter on

Chuck's team. So they both have beaten me up plenty of times over the years.
Who knew that he was an ass kicker, Stu? I swear.

With that voice and that demeanor, who would have known that Bob Barker is an ass kicker? Oh, my body is a deadly weapon.

And a lady. Including me.
Come on. And a lady's man, too, by the way.
Absolutely.

Not afraid of double. I'm part Sioux Indian.
And Sue, the Sioux were known as great warriors and great lovers.

Bob, your favorite price is right game. It has to be Plinko, right? Well, it was not necessarily my favorite, but it was certainly the most popular game on the show.

I liked the games that gave me a chance to interact with the contestant, to have fun with them, get laughs with them. Games like

Triple Play and It's in the Bag and Three Strikes and

you could really, or even

Golden Road,

you could really get them whipped up. I used to like to get the thing just rocking the whole studio and as much excitement as I could and those were games that I could do it with.

Were you ever rooting for a contestant to lose? No, never. I was wanting them to win.
Bob Barker with us on 790. I want to get back to the ladies' man part of this.

You experienced, because you're having fun with us, you experienced, how did you experience, you know, you got into the tabloids a little bit because people couldn't imagine you, your success with the Price is Right modeled.

I think that that makes you one of my all-time heroes. But what can you tell us about that? Well, I never mentioned it, frankly, because

the women involved,

two or three of them, filed lawsuits primarily against the show, and one filed a sexual harassment suit against me was a complete lie. And

I didn't, I have a book, Priceless Memories, and I don't make no reference to it because

I wrote a happy book. And

if you ever read it,

I don't say one derogatory thing about anybody.

The shows I've done, even the guest

shots I've had, and that movie, that crazy movie, everything I've been in a part of has been happy. And I'm basically a happy guy, so I didn't want to go into that lawsuit.

And you're a fighter, so we'll stay away from it. I am a fighter, that's right.

85 years old.

When Chuck was was doing his movies, by that time I was in my mid-70s, and I kept nagging him.

I wanted to bring his picture and be the oldest ninja in the world. And he wouldn't do it.
And of course, I couldn't force him to, or he'd beat me up. I can't tell you.

I want to hang out with Bob Barker. Like, I mean, I want to just hang out with this man.
Bob Barker with us. Again, check out the website, DJTFoundation.org.

A little surprised, given you're 85, we've had Joe Paterno on the show. Jerry Sloan says he doesn't have anything to do with computers.
A little surprised that you're computer savvy at 85.

I'm not computer savvy. I'm computer illiterate, and I'm going to die that way.
Okay.

I don't fool that stuff. It would drive me nuts.

I know how valuable it is, and I have friends who... They couldn't function without it.
My business manager, I call him, and I'll ask him some remote thing. He says, just a minute.

Boom, boom, boom, boom. And he tells me exactly what it is.
But it's marvelous. The technical advances in recent years have just been incredible.
And

it's frightening to buy anything because apparently it's outdated within 15 minutes. But it's an exciting time, particularly for young people.

Incidentally, young people really were great at the prices right. They used to come, college groups would come from all over the country.
And they would get that studio rocking.

They were great contestants, but just their reactions gave the show great energy. I had people who

had been in television for years come in and they'd say, Bob, I've never been in a studio that had the energy that this one does. That's why it was so tough for me to quit.
I had a great time.

I really did. Was there any ethical boundary? I mean, could you hit on a contestant if she was a hottie? I mean, you got the power, you got the microphone.

No, they hit on me.

Of course.

That goes without saying, doesn't it?

Bob Barker with us again, DJ. I'll tell you what, I learned one thing, doing price is Wright.

You give a woman a car and you're going to get a kiss.

It works every time. Life lessons from Bob Barker.
DJTFoundation.org. Check it out.
You got involved with animal rights causes. How, Bob?

Well, I'd always loved animals.

I'd had animals and been around animals from the time I can remember. And

it was about 40 years ago that

I became involved in

working with animal organizations. And as I did, I became aware of the terrible exploitation and mistreatment of animals.

And I just felt compelled to try to help rectify the situation, and that's what I've been doing.

And I'm known as the guru of Spain Neuter, and goodness knows I have concentrated on that, but I work on everything.

Right now, we're trying to get a poor elephant, Lucy, out of a miserable situation in Canada. We just got an elephant

out of Anchorage, Alaska, Maggie, not long ago. We're trying to get

Tina, Queenie, and Jewel away from an unscrupulous animal trainer who's mistreating them. And I work on all kinds of projects.
DJTFoundation.org. Bob Barker, you have been a delight.

Thank you so much for joining us. Well, it's been my pleasure.
It has indeed. Incidentally, the DJ ⁇ T Foundation gets all the profits from my book, Priceless Memories.

It's all going right straight to subsidize spay neuters for dogs all over the country. Thank you, Bob.
Thank you, gentlemen.

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We enjoy having badasses on the show. This is a badass from the movies.
We've been trying to get him on the show for the better part of six months since the Rocky Six movie.

Finally got him trapped in the corner. Got Apollo Creed trapped.
Got Dylan from Predator trapped in the corner. Chubbs from Happy Gilmore.
Carl Weathers is with us on 790, The Ticket.

He's got a movie coming out, The Comebacks. It spoofs all sports movies.
So let me start with a real hard question. How much, how much steroids were you guys using on the set of The Predator?

You guys all got huge. Jesse Ventura, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
So I start out with a tough sports radio question. You guys were packing on, slathering the human growth hormone, no? Man, come on.

What a question, man. Clean, all clean, baby.

All clean. You're In the gym.
You guys were huge.

In the gym, man. Look, Arnold took a gym down there that literally any professional would be proud of.
Got to a point where at 4.30 in the morning, guys are in the gym. It's still dark out.

But all we had to do was walk out of our hotel rooms, down to this big, big room he had down there that he converted into a gym.

And so all you had to do was get in bed, work out, and get in bed and work out, you know? So who was the strongest among you? The governor? The other governor? How did did you fail?

All these guys became governors, and all you did was go on to do Happy Gilmore. I know, it's shameless, isn't it? But guess what? I'm coming to Miami.

Guess who's going to be your new governor in Florida? Take a look. Take a look at my direction, baby.
I'm going for governor of Florida. We do need a big black badass governor in Florida.

Doesn't every state do? Yeah, we absolutely do. Carl Weathers with us on 790 the ticket.
Top three lines. I want to do this in order.

When you're walking through an airport, the top three lines, Carl Weathers Weathers gets shouted at him. Let's start with the third most often.
The third most often lying you get shouted at you.

The third most often

would probably be

Yo, Adrian.

Don't ask me why they shout that at me, but somehow they love doing that. That's not right.
That's not right. Hey, I didn't think so either, but what can I say, man? It's like they're confused.

Number two.

Number two would be, Hey, Dylan, you put you in too many pencils.

Well, wait a minute. Number two.
But those aren't your lines.

I know, but you know what? They remember? Carl Weathers is Dylan and Predator. So

they become Schwarzenegger, and they love saying, yo, Dylan, you're pushing too many pencils. You son of a bitch, Dylan.
You son of a bitch, Dylan. Yep, yep, there's another one.

What about number one? Number one would be, ain't gonna be no rematch.

Ain't gonna be no rematch. Right.
Then they talk to themselves and say, don't want one.

Best rocky movie ever, Carl Weathers. Best Rocky movie movie ever.
Hey, man, I guess it would have to be the very first one. It has to be number one.
Carl Weathers with us on 790 the ticket.

Who's a guy in sports you look at and say, that guy's a badass? That guy is about the biggest badass in sports. You're a badass from the movies.
Wow. Well, there's so many.

I mean, there really are so many great athletes out there.

I personally am a huge fan of Kobe Bryant's. You know, he gets a real bad rap, and I just think undeservedly so.

Of course, down your way, you know, you've got to say Shaq is a badass. I mean, you just got to.
For all the controversy this statement will cause, I think Barry Bonds is the badass of all badasses.

Yeah, he is. Yeah, he is, man.
Look, I don't care what people say that you've taken and put in your body, guess what? That will not cause you to hit home runs, okay?

Because there are a lot of guys who've taken a lot of stuff or who have taken nothing, and they still haven't been able to do what that guy's been able to do. So the guy's a badass.

Plus, you guys were all slathered up and predator.

Oh, yeah. You want to go back there, don't you? Come on, baby.
You want to take me on? Come on. Let's get the ring.
Carl, no, I don't want any part of your steroid rage.

Carl Weather's with us on 790 the Ticket. The Comebacks is the name of the movie.
It's going to spoof all sports movies. It sounds like a lot of fun.
You get recognized most as Apollo Creed, right?

You know, it depends on where I am because a lot of kids loved Arrested Development and Happy Gilmore. I mean, they just loved it, you know?

They loved seeing the hand and the alligator taking the hand off and the whole thing. You know, it's all in the hips.
It's all in the hips.

But, of course, Rocky and Predator, those are just those kind of iconic macho movies. And so you can't, you know, people just love those movies, man.
I've been real fortunate.

Action Jackson, I mean, there have been so many movies that I've done that people have embraced. And here we are now with the comebacks and Freddie Wiseman.

How mad and crazy this movie is. You mentioned steroids over and over.
Well, this is Happy Gilmore on steroids. This is insane, this movie.
Actors fear being typecast.

Did you fear after Predator and Happy Gilmore, you would become the guy who always loses his arms in the movie? No, no, not at all.

I mean, you know, what most actors fear is I'm never going to work again.

That's the big fear. After you finish a movie,

you know,

it's like postpartum depression, man. You want to go back to work again.

So trying to keep finding that next project that you really embrace and love and people are going to pay you to do and all that sort of stuff,

that's what I get down about. How did your life change the most, Carl, after you made Rocky? What happened? What happened to your life the moment after you made Rocky?

I was in New York when the movie came out, and the day that the movie came out,

I mean, literally walking around the streets of Manhattan, that day, nobody paid any attention to me, really. I was just another guy walking down the streets in Manhattan.

And the morning after, it was a Saturday morning, walking down the street in Manhattan, the vendors, the hot dog vendors, all those guys you see out there with the carts were yelling, Yo, Apollo.

That's shocking, you know, to have a movie have that kind of impact. Carl Weather's with us on 790, The Ticket, The Comebacks, at Spoof Sports Movies.
Michael Irvin's in the movie.

Did he steal scenes? I mean, he's got an enormous amount of charisma. Michael actually didn't just steal scenes.
He stole my script, too. He's a thief.
What can I say?

But he is. Did you get to know him at all? Does he have a big part in the movie? No, it's not a big part, but, you know, he's an engaging guy.
He did a wonderful job.

And he's one of those guys who has the ability to sort of make fun of himself. I love that.
These guys don't take themselves too seriously.

Speaking of not taking yourself seriously, how often do you hear it mentioned, if at all, that that slow-motion scene where you and Rocky Balboa, Sylvester Stallone, are dancing in the ocean, you're wearing those tube socks way too high, that it's vaguely homoerotic?

You know what? It's a little frightening with those tight shorts on, isn't it?

I'm frightened just thinking about it. So this is not the first time you've heard that allegation.
No, in fact, you know, we designed it because we were in love with each other. You didn't hear that?

You never heard that? No, that's your. Well, you got, you got the man, you got it here.
You've you've got the first,

the first of any of this. I'm telling you, and only you.
You fell in love with Sylvester Sallone on the set of that movie.

That happens so often in the movies where the co-stars fall in love with each other. I'm telling you, it was a love fest.
It was a love fest, you know?

It was the beginning of a beautiful relationship. So, what is the movie you most enjoyed making in your entire career? What's the most fun you've ever had on a set? You know, just kind of like just

macho, just goofball kind of stuff. Had to be Predator.
I mean, you know, you're wearing what you're wearing every day. You're in

your fatigues. You're in the jungle, not worrying about makeup.
You're sweating.

You're bunched with a bunch of guys who are all pumped up and you're smoking cigars. How good does it get? Yeah, that's pretty good.
It's pretty good to be Carl Weathers.

The movie, it's going to spoof sports movies. It's going to be a lot of fun.
It looks like a lot of fun. The name is The Comebacks.
Carl Weathers in the middle of it, starring in the middle of it.

Thank you, Carl, for being on with us. Hey, such a pleasure.

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Don Lebatard.

Bood ball.

Football. Football.

Boodball.

Football. Football.
Football. Stugats.

Bootball.

This is the Dan Lebattar Show with these two guys.

This is legitimately funny. I'm actually nervous.
Me too.

Ed Guns Hockeyly, NFL referee. I'm not even making it up.
Like, this is what happened to us with Chuck Norris.

We had built the interview for so long that by the time we did the interview, you and I were both nervous. We have created a mythical aura around Ed Gunns Hockey Lee.

We've been talking about this since we were having the conversation for some reason about

whether or not you're surprised sometimes when guys you didn't expect to be yoked up were yoked up. Carrot Top,

Roy Firestone, Joe Piscopo, Peter Brady, and Ed Hockuley came up in conversation. And Ed Hockuley is the world's buffest ref, and he's going to join us now.

And as I often do when I'm nervous, I'm just going to let Stugats ask the first question.

Ed Hockuley was chasing the

Tyrannosaurus Rex.

The Rex was not chasing

the Jeep.

What do you think of that, Ed?

What alternative reality have I walked into? Ed Occuley, a respected NFL referee and an attorney by trade. How did you get the nickname guns? As we've mentioned before, you're huge.
You're buff.

You're muscular. How did you get the nickname guns? I have no idea what you're talking about.

In all seriousness,

I kind of dated back to there was a game many years ago, and I think that

there was absolutely nothing of interest going on in the game. And Phil Sims was looking for something to talk about.
And in desperation, he circled my arms and he started talking about my arms.

And it just seemed to catch on from there. I've never understood it, frankly.
Now, would you prefer that the yellow flag be a 40-pound weight?

I tell you, man, sometimes it's hard enough to throw that thing. I need it lighter, not heavier.

We've got a question from a listener here saying, what percentage of NFL players does Ed think he can can take in a fair fight my guess is all the kickers and most of the DBs maybe 20%

I frankly have thought about you know quite a often the players will joke with me about when I'm coming out for the team and my honest response is that I'd get hurt in the hole that's about as far as I'd make it so I I would I would avoid even the kickers I'm smart enough for that this modesty is crap hockey lee we've built enough we've built a cathedral out of you and this is nonsense how much can you bench press, Ed?

How much can you bench press?

You know, Dan, you're going to expect an answer to that, that I don't know an answer. The one thing that I have learned as I've gotten older and older and ancient now,

my joints can't handle heavy weight, and I don't ever lift anything that I can't lift at least eight times. And so I'm doing reps of 10 in my workouts, and I truly don't know what my maximum is.

But I think people think I'm stronger than I am.

I just don't go for heavyweights we've got some callers here before you came on ed guns hockeyly joins us on 790 the ticket we're asking some playful questions like for example do you wear shirts that are a little smaller than they need to be just to show off those guns yeah but i i've been i've been asked if i shop at kids gap

um

so you so you do wear them a little tighter than they need to be what are the smells of i i steadfastly deny that i i i I wear shirts that are the right size.

So I'll stick with that one. They're just normal sized.
It's just that you're that huge.

Push-ups. Do you do push-ups before you go out there

to look a little more buff? On all TV, during all-TV timeouts, that's what I'm on the ground pumping up.

Every timeouts? Every timeout, he's up there pumping out. That's right.
Now, we have seen you. We saw, we were following you closely.
Our entire audience was following you closely last year.

And we have seen that you do a little mitt, a little punch to your other hand before you do the first down. Come on, you're showing off there a little bit, Ed.

You know,

that was a kind of a first down signal very early in my refereeing career. And I never refereed that position referee, the White Hat, until I got to the NFL.
But when I started doing it, one of the

old retired referees says, Ed, you've got to put a little pizzazz in your first down signal. And so I started fooling around.
Next thing I knew, it was kind of that throwing action.

I do it with both hands, and I do put

a little bit of pizzazz by popping my mid, I guess. Yeah.
That wacky Ed Hockuley, putting some pizzazz in the referee's call.

The referees would be a lot more likable, Ed, if they all put a little more pizzazz in their calls.

Well, I think we all just try to be our personality out there. And

maybe that's just me. True or false, when the incredible Hulk gets angry, he turns into Ed Guns Hockuli.

Go ahead, Steve. All right, settle the big debate for us here, Ed.
We talk about which call you like to make in order to show off the guns. So, which call during an NFL game do you have the guns off?

Hold on, the way we need to do this, because we need to build to crescendo here. We've been talking about this for months here, and it's been an internal debate.

So, if you don't mind, Ed, let's go from the bottom up.

Your third place favorite call to show off the guns, your second-place favorite call, and then with a dramatic flourish, with that hockupy pizzazz, you give us your first place muscular pose of referee calls.

Third place at hoculi.

Obviously, I spent a lot of time thinking about this, you know, of course. Right.
And I make my calls based on that decision about what's going to best show off my arm.

So

that's the key to long-term success as a referee in the NFL. But be that as it may, we'll start with the drum roll.

Number three would be unsportsmanlike conduct because that's just simply sticking my arms to the side with no ability to flex whatsoever. Okay, that's the third place.

Second place?

Number two would be a holding call because with a holding call, at least I get to hold the arm at a 90-degree angle and flex that bicep, that little bicep a little bit. So that's number two.

And

number one would be a roughing the passer because then I get to actually get some violence into it as I chop one hand and throw the arm down and really get a mean look on my face. Well, wait a minute.

I can't believe I've been proven wrong. What about the safety? What about the illegal batting and touching of the ball? Well, you know, that's a very good one, too.

Actually, illegal touching because then you get to flex. You do get to flex both arms, don't you? Yeah.

In that one. But I'm sorry.
You know,

when you, referee, those can be your favorite calls, but I've given you mine. Okay, I'm sorry.
You're right. I've blasphemed against the guns.
Ed, thank you for being so playful.

My pleasure. Thank you.
You guys take care.

And now it's time to play douche or no douche. Here's your host, Douche Levatard.

Winking and pointing a finger simultaneously. Douche or no douche.

Is this game serious? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The game is serious. Yes, is that douche or no douche?

You're not going to get me to say that live on the end, no matter what. No, okay.
Well, I think your quarterback played this game with us one time. Didn't Shaw play with this? I'm pretty sure.

Yeah, Shaw played the game. Cool or not cool.
How about that? All right, that's cool or uncool. Let's do that.
Cool or uncool. We'll play it that way.

Blinking and pointing your finger at the same time if it's at a girl. It's cool.
All right, see. There you go.
If okay, well, there you go.

Referring to the NBA as the association, cool or not cool?

Not cool.

Ryan Gosling. Cool or not cool?

I don't know who Ryan Gosling is. It's not important.

Updating a picture of what you're drinking. Cool or not cool?

Not cool.

Describing something as epic. Cool or not cool? Not cool.
Guy at a bar who yells free play after an off-sides penalty. Cool or not cool?

Well, at least he knows the game, so semi-cool.

I'm so uncool, man. Yeah.

Perfume salespeople who spray you in the mall. Cool or not cool?

Extremely uncool.

QBs who try to throw a pass over your head. Cool or not cool?

Cool, because that means I'm going to knock it down. The 10.
Of course you are. That's what you do.
JJ Swatt hates that name.

The 10 teams that passed on you in the 2011 draft. Cool or not cool?

Not cool. Roger Goodell.
Cool or not cool?

He's cool. You didn't mean it.
Insincere.

Insincere. My Angry Beast Monster.
It was insincere. I haven't been fine yet this year, so he's cool.
JJ, thank you for making time for us. We enjoyed it.

You guys have a great day. Thanks for having me.
Stu Gots, you know that

Jimmy Johnson once dared to to put his hands on Jason Taylor? Oh, come on.

Come on. No, you didn't.
Yes, I did. Come on.
Tell me. Yes, I did.
And it did not go over well. It didn't.
It did not.

Go ahead and tell the story. Dictator Jimmy Johnson put his hands on you.
Oh, man.

It did happen. It was.

God, I love Jimmy.

Okay, I'll frame the story for you. And he loves you.
They love each other now. but, and I've told you this before, Stew Gods, don't put your hands on the players.
Yeah, you don't do that.

You can't touch each other during a game. We had him on the show last week, and I actually spoke to him for a few minutes off air, and he wants, I didn't ask him, he wants to come on your radio show.

He does? Jimmy Johnson. No, they do love each other.

Okay, that's enough context.

All right, so we're in Washington playing the Redskins.

And

I beat the left tackle. I forget who it was.
And I hit the quarterback kind of as he was. He threw the ball and I ran to him.
I didn't knock him down.

It was kind of one of those things where, maybe I did.

Yeah, I did knock him down. I'm sorry.
I hit him as he was throwing it. So we're on the ground and we're kind of, you know, we're kind of wrapped up a little bit.

So I'm getting up and he's getting up. And

he kind of, you know, I guess he thought I was using his body to get up, which I was not. I honestly was not.
And he kind of gives me a shove or whatever. And it's a quarterback.

I'm like, whatever, you know, so I sell him back in his face or whatever. We're getting a little pushing match.
No flags were thrown or anything. But the ref came over and separated us.

And, you know, I kind of got into an exchange of words with the quarterback. So Jimmy's mad about it.

And it was on the hash closest to our bench. And Jimmy's over there yelling.
And I wasn't paying much attention to him. But anyway, he takes me out of the game.
He sends somebody in, get him out.

So I'm coming to the sideline. And it was one of those things where when you do something wrong or you know, you're about to hear it.
You always take the long route.

So I kind of walk off the sideline away from where Jimmy is as he's breaking his way down. So you know he's coming for you.
Yeah, but it's like, do I sprint off the field and beat him to the bench?

Like, or, you know, at some point we're going to intersect. So anyway, he gets to me and he's screaming and yelling and cussing and what are you doing? And

it wasn't even a flag on the play.

So he's yelling and I'm like, I didn't do anything. He's pushed me.
I, you know, whatever. Explain it to him.
And he's trying to talk to me like, so he grabs me by my jersey

on my chest, grabs me by my jersey. Both hands.
And I slapped his arms off me.

And he tried to grab me again and like he missed. And then he grabbed again and grabbed a hold.
And I slapped his arms off me again. And I kind of shoved him back to get away from him.

I can't believe the cameras didn't catch that. If the cameras had caught that today, that would be an issue.
It'd be different nowadays. Yeah, this was back in the day,

back in the 90s.

So he's yelling and screaming. And

I may or may not have said something back. I can't remember.
honestly can't remember and uh and he yelled your you know your bleep is done get the you know whatever get out of here.

So I was done for the game. So I go over and sit down in the corner of the bench.
And my D-line coach, Carrie Gadette, walks over and says something. And I'm like, no, I'm going off about Jimmy.

And he was wrong. He can't put his hands on me.
And I'm a grown man and all these things. And then like 30 seconds later, I wanted to cry.
I'm like, I'm out of the game. Jimmy's mad.

He just told me he's going to cut me. Like, it's over.

But I'm still, you know, I'm still a man. And there's still testosterone involved in this.
And he put his hands on me. He's wrong.
I'm not wrong.

So, the defensive series is over. Offense goes on.
Hold on a second. Does this story end with you being reinserted in the game? Wait a second.

So, defense comes off the field. Offense goes on three and out, whatever.

Well, it's time for the defense to go back, but there's like a TV timeout or something. And I'm like, man, I'm not, you know, guys are like, dude, you know, you can't push the coach.

You know, just let it go. Don't worry about it.
So my D-line coach is like, hey, just, you know, go talk to coach. We'll talk to Jimmy real quick.

You know, we're going to to be on the field in two minutes. Go just go apolog.
I don't even know if he said apologize, but just go just go make up with him. I'm like, no, he's wrong.
Screw that.

I'm right.

Whatever. And the whole time I'm like, man, I'm about to get cut.
I can't go back in the game. So I tried to do it where nobody was looking, but I walk up.
I was like, Coach, I'm sorry.

Out of the side of your mouth.

I didn't mean to push you, no disrespect, whatever. And, you know, I kind of just mumbled an apology.
And he looked at me and he was still hot and still pissed off at me. He just looked at me.

He's like,

get your ass back in there

and i ran back in the game

like did you apologize to him i'm like no i apologize i would never i would never apologize he knows he needs me in the game never

brought up again by the way no you know what

on the plane ride home i thought it would come up it didn't and then monday you know you're going in the building you're gonna have to talk to jimmy you're gonna get summoned back to the office And it didn't happen, but I did go up to him later.

It may have been later Monday after the meetings or whatever. I just said, hey, coach, you know, I didn't mean any disrespect.
You know, you just don't put your hands on me again.

No, I didn't say that.

You know, just in the heat of the battle,

I apologize. He's like, you know, he just, don't worry about it.
It was no big deal. But nowadays, oh my goodness, it'd be blown up.
I can't even imagine. Jason, I can't even imagine.
If that happened

today.

Well, just think about Bella. It was Brady and his quarterback coach, the Pennsylvania coach.

No, but they were just yelling at each other. That's arguing.
When have you seen? That's what I'm saying. When When have you ever seen footage? Tell me, give me an example.
I can't.

When has anyone ever seen footage of a head coach with the fame and authority of Jimmy and a superstar like Jason knocking his hands off him where there's physical contact between both parties?

Yeah, you don't see it. Yeah, you don't see it.
I can't believe it. If it would happen, we'd see it.
And that's the point.

We'd see it over and over. Right? I mean, and you would become a punk and a thug and you would become a bad person.

And the Jason Taylor Foundation promotes thuggery. Yeah, we'd be shut down.

Boycotts out front.

I mean, it's just he doesn't need to be. Let's see.
That's a classic example of how things don't need to be blown out of proportion. I mean, it was in the heat of the moment.
It happened.

You know, it was kind of the two guys' buttonheads. But when the game was over,

it was over.

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