Take A Few Steps Just To Make The Devil Mad

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So what I want you to do is I just want you to

think of something that is personal to you, something I shouldn't be able to guess.

Specifically, I think a fun thing would be to have you

think of your celebrity crush or your first celebrity crush.

It can be, you know, when you were younger, or it can be now.

I want you to just focus on who this person is.

You have not said who this is out loud, correct?

Like you haven't told me or anything like that.

No.

No.

Okay.

So I want you to imagine that you

this crush standing in front of you.

Have you met this person before?

No.

No, okay.

I want you to imagine you see them there in front of you and

you are at some type of event where it's maybe it's like a red carpet event and you see this person whether, you know, again, I don't know if they're doing, don't give me any hints, but I don't know if they do music or if they do, you know, they're in movies or something like that.

But just imagine you see them at some type of event and you're trying to get their attention.

So you're just trying to say their name over and over and over and you're just kind of like waving them over.

Just imagine doing that in your head, just over and over.

Okay, so interesting.

This is

this, is this someone you

saw when you were pretty young, would you say?

Is this when you had your crush on them?

Yeah.

I'm like 10.

Okay.

All right.

So this,

oh, okay.

okay, so interesting.

So a lot of people, I think, when you think of like a celebrity crush when they're young, usually it would be like someone that's in a, in some type of boy band or they're like in,

you know, some type of sitcom show.

With you, what's interesting is I'm getting that this is

there's definitely a feeling that this person is in specifically like in movies.

Is that is that right?

Yes.

Yeah.

And I also get a sense that this is someone who

is this person still alive?

I believe they are.

Is that right?

Yep.

Maybe they're listening right now.

That would be.

Hi.

Yeah.

Do they do music as well or no?

Just no, I don't think so.

Okay, so just acting.

Okay.

So

was there a specific movie or something you've seen this person in that you're thinking of?

This is um

was it a movie with kids in it?

Yes,

the Lord of the Flies, yes,

yeah.

Is this um is this uh Balthazar?

Yeah,

yeah, is that what you were thinking of?

Yeah,

yeah, okay, great.

That is a very specific, specific crush to have.

That's not even a famous person anymore.

No, yeah, that is, that is a very specific one.

I'm Jane Marie, and this is the dream.

If you know even one thing about me, it's that I'm a world-class skeptic.

So it may surprise you that I'm also a huge, huge fan of magic.

My daughter and I go see our favorite magician, Justin Willman.

He has a show on Netflix called Magic for Humans.

We go see him every time he has a show in town.

I just love love magicians, mediums, psychics, astrologers, the whole nine.

Want to know why?

Because it's fun.

I love to be delighted, even when deep in my heart I understand it's all a big joke.

Life is a joke, you know?

So I seek out the fun where I can find it.

And I've recently found so much fun in what this guy does.

My name's Dustin Dean.

I am what's considered a professional mentalist.

And so essentially a mentalist is a lot like a magician.

And we're still basically considered magicians.

But the difference is instead of focusing on sleight of hand and visual magic, we do what's called sleight of mind.

We get inside people's heads.

We make it seem like we have some type of psychic gift, even though we don't.

And this is using a lot of different techniques like psychology, misdirection, trickery.

Sometimes it is sleight of hand.

We just make it seem like it's not.

Whereas, you know, a magician, they are kind of like heavily focused on doing visual things, borrowing objects, making them vanish, sawing people in half, putting them back together.

And there's a lot of different varieties.

There's close-up magic.

I didn't understand what close-up magic was before I went to a show.

So can you describe the difference between close-up, like what that means?

Yeah, so close-up magic is something I do as well.

And it's basically

where you can either be at, like the magician could be at a table or the magician can be walking around.

And it's basically close, you know, it's a magician going up to group to group, person to person, or having a little table and a small crowd.

And you're doing things that happen in their own hands.

It's like David Blaine.

David Blaine, exactly.

Like street magic, like just very impromptu,

even though usually it's not impromptu, but it feels impromptu.

It feels like an impromptu, intimate moment.

It doesn't feel like it's a

show.

And that has to do with props and all of that sort of stuff.

Yeah, exactly.

And mentalism is different how.

Yeah, so a mentalist, what we do.

Instead of using a lot of props and cards, a mentalist essentially is just doing a whole different presentation.

It's basically the presentation of it.

It's like if

a magician would have you pick a card, and then they would

make the card vanish and appear somewhere else.

Right.

A mentalist would have you pick a card without them seeing, and using some type of process, be able to guess what that card is.

Got it.

That's kind of mind-reading.

Yeah, it's mind reading, but we,

I mean, I shouldn't say every mentalist because some mentalists

still do,

you know, act like it's a real

gift.

But a lot of mentalists nowadays are open about the fact that this isn't real.

It's not real mind reading.

It's trickery.

We're lying to you.

We're cheating.

It doesn't matter if it's real or not to me.

Real?

I don't even know what I mean by that.

Tell me a little more about your background.

Like, where are you from?

How did you get into this?

Yeah.

So I am from a city called Syracuse, New York.

Uh-huh.

Heard of it.

MacDab in the middle of New York State.

It's about four hours away from the big city, New York City.

I was born and raised here.

And when I was about six years old, I got a magic set from my mom for my birthday.

And I remember I would do this.

I remember I still have like pictures of it and stuff, but I had like this little magic hat on and a little magic wand.

And I would do these.

It was a really dumb trick, but I would do it like over and over again because I loved it.

And it was easy to do.

And I would just do it over and over again at the table in the living room.

And my mom would freak out every time.

Like she clearly knew how it worked, but she would, she would act like it was the most amazing thing she's ever seen.

And I loved that feeling.

I loved performing.

And so

from that path, from that day, I fell in love with performing and started doing all sorts of crazy things.

I was in a punk rock band in high school.

I went to pro wrestling school because I was obsessed with WWE and WWF and all that.

And my dad was also a, he's, he played guitar.

He was like a gig person.

You know, he, that was his job.

He would go do gigs.

And so I was like, oh, that's so cool.

I don't want a real job.

Like, that's what I want to do.

And

wait, what did your mom do, though?

She was a waitress for pretty much her entire life and as a single mom.

And they separated when I was a baby.

And

so it was, it was a life that was a little bit rough because it was, you know, we never had a ton of money.

And,

but at the same time, like I, I aspired to at least, you know,

like I just cared about performing, entertaining.

And

then I kind of went back.

Actually, it's, I saw David Blaine in his street magic special when I was in probably middle school or something.

And that made me fall back in love with magic.

I was like, oh, I got to get back to doing this.

This is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

And I started learning card tricks and sleight of hand and started doing it during school to all my friends.

Eventually, I fell in love with the psychology behind the magic rather than the sleight of hand.

And that led me into learning about Darren Brown, who's a mentalist in the UK, and he was my biggest inspiration for what I do.

It led me into the world of psychics and

James Randy and Banachek, who is a student of James Randi, who's also a mentalist.

And

it kind of got me into the realm of

learning how to fool people and deceive people into thinking I could, you know, truly read their minds when I couldn't.

At what point did you turn to kind of,

you know, looking at famous psychics?

So when I started learning mentalism specifically, and I started learning from other mentalists, it's almost like there's just a very strong history of magicians or mentalists that once we learn these secrets, there's a strong history of them turning towards debunking psychics.

Houdini was one of the most, he was very adamant about debunking psychics in a huge way.

He would put on public shows that were all about debunking psychics and um you know he had a challenge and everything oh right after his death right he he like challenged he he like gave a code word to his wife or something is that yes yes it was his wife and it the code ended up being about his mother

um which was eventually if i can speak to you from beyond the grave uh i will tell you this word correct exactly and no psychic was able to do that but they tried every year and he never came back.

Exactly.

Yeah, exactly.

As far as we know.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Back then, like during Houdini's time, mentalists were called psychic entertainers.

They didn't really call themselves mentalists, but they really grasped the whole psychic persona.

And they

They back then, they would just say it was a psychic gift.

They didn't really say that what they're doing isn't real.

Um,

but that's because it really was a different, it was like a spiritualist movement, and they uh they kind of took advantage of that.

They knew that people would believe it nowadays.

Most people don't, I mean, I don't know, most people don't believe in those in that presentation, but I am noticing kind of a shift.

Like, I think a lot of people would buy into that now.

There's a process to what we do and it's trickery.

Like there's definitely, we cheat, basically.

But the, I'm very open about the fact that what I'm doing is trickery and it's not real.

And I tell people I'm lying to them.

When I do a show afterwards, even though I tell people during my show that I don't have any psychic gifts, I don't have any abilities, I still get so many people that come up and they'll say, yeah, but...

How did you do that?

Because there's no other way you could have done that.

So you, they're usually like the people who believe in psychics and the supernatural will usually say, well, I think you have a gift.

You just don't realize it.

Oh.

But in reality, it's not true.

It's something simple.

It's just, if they knew the secret, it would be dumb.

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The hardest part about what I do is trying to convince people that it's not set up.

Like you, like, for example, we didn't, I didn't didn't say, hey, think of this person and then we'll pretend that I just guessed it.

But a lot of people, when they hear this kind of thing or they see this kind of thing, or they, even when they come to my shows, they think that someone is, you know, it's all set up.

It's because it happens often enough, though.

Isn't that the way like a lot of church, a lot of preachers would do their,

I don't know, healing and mind reading and things.

It was like a production, like those like television preachers.

There were producers that would go out into the audience and say, you're going to be the one in the wheelchair today.

And then you're going to walk miraculously onto the stage.

So there were like, yeah, in fact, Peter Popoff was a very famous pastor who would go on TV and he would somehow like point at people in the audience and he would guess, you know, where they live, what their

ailment is, all these sorts of crazy things.

He would know their names, like without them saying anything, all this information.

And James Randy, the amazing amazing Randy, him and his student, Banachek, who is also a mentalist,

figured out that he was using,

like, they thought he had something in his ear

when they went to go see it live.

And so they literally like hired, they hired this guy to

use like this transmitter device that like catches the radio signals.

So they were able to, in real time, pick up what he was receiving in his ear, which happened to be from his wife, who was feeding him the information from the tickets and where they were sitting.

And she would look up their address and like get all this information about them.

And she would tell him the information in real time.

And then this was posted live on television on

Carson, Johnny Carson, is that his name?

So they showed it, and it was amazing.

I suspected that Popoff's revelations were other than divine.

The radio scanner we brought to the hall picked up a decidedly worldly source.

Hello, Petey.

Can you hear me?

If you can't, you're in trouble.

Papa was being prompted by his wife through a wireless earpiece.

John?

Dear me, John.

She'd gotten her information from prayer cards filled out by the faithful before the show began.

You want to get rid of this walker, sister?

Oh, Glory.

How long have you been walking on that walk?

About three years.

Three years.

1627 10th Street.

1627 10th Street?

Is that right?

That's right.

She has arthritis.

Burning this arthritis

right out of your body.

Take a few steps just to make the devil mad.

Hallelujah.

He got completely debunked and exposed, which is crazy because then obviously he fell off.

Peter pop off, like didn't do

he didn't pop off anymore.

Yeah, he didn't pop off.

He didn't do his thing for a while, but then now he's back.

He's actually doing like, he's selling

holy water in jars or something.

Wow.

That's his new thing, new scam.

One of my favorites, and he does a lot of live readings on the internet, is John Edwards.

He had a talk show for a while where he would point people out in the audience and

kind of toss out generalities around, okay, I see that in this area, you've lost someone young.

Who's the person that

was young?

Yeah.

You know, and then it has something to do with their heart or their neck, which is like, well, your heart, yeah, everyone's heart stops during death, that's for sure.

Yeah.

So if I go over there in that section, is there some type of fire story in that back section over there?

Are you guys together?

Yeah, we're together.

Okay.

Say it again?

We're talking about the same person.

Okay, and did this person pass in a fire?

She was dismembered and burnt in a

just say yes or no.

I don't know if there's a father figure to you who has passed or if there's an older male energy that's connected to me that's above you that would be like father.

they're But telling me to talk about somebody who literally i see i see the i see i see smoke and fire so i know that there's some level of that having to do with their passing um or having to do with the connection around their passing and i don't know if this was done because they wanted to get rid of evidence or if they wanted to get rid of something on on that level and is somebody now pregnant the person who pressed who died was so the person who passed was pregnant i also like the tyler guy what's his name the tyler the hollywood

tyler henry yeah he's the hollywood psychic um yeah both of those people that you just mentioned, interestingly enough, have me blocked on social media.

Well, which is funny.

I could fill you in on what they're doing, but it's the same old stuff that they've always been doing.

Yeah,

how do they work?

So

in the case of, and again, this is all

obviously, I don't have all the answers to the universe.

Like, maybe there is a small chance that these psychics have some type of insane supernatural ability.

But from what I've seen personally and in my experience as a mentalist, I have never seen anything that has made me think that, that they have some supernatural gift.

In John Edwards' case, what I see is him doing a lot of what's called cold reading, which is just like what you said, where they kind of throw out these vague statements that could apply to a lot of different situations

and especially when they have a big audience, because there's going to be someone that connects with something.

And essentially, the idea of it is that this psychic is getting the person who is called the sitter, who is receiving the reading, getting that person to make all of the connections for the psychic.

Because if a psychic was real, if they could really be talking to a spirit, they would just be able to say these things directly.

That's never what happens.

What happens is they say, oh, I'm getting,

you know, an M name or something.

Why are you getting, what do you mean, you're getting an M name?

Like, you can't hear them?

Like, you, they're telling you, my name starts with an M?

Like, it doesn't make sense.

You know what I mean?

They would just say the name.

They would just say, My name is Mary.

Yeah, they would point someone out in the audience and be like, Brian, your Aunt Mary says that you need to take care of her parakeet.

Exactly.

And then that would be it.

Instead of, um, it's an M and there's an animal that is attached to this person.

This person has an exotic pet, maybe.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Exactly.

And that's, and it's funny because, so as a mentalist, I do that in my show as well.

I use, I do this whole thing that's very similar to like what a psychic would do.

Can you do it to Dan right now?

Well, so no, because

so the part of the show is it's like I said, I cheat.

And so what it, what it does is I'm using, and I'm going to explain this in a moment, but there's something called cold reading and there's something called hot reading.

Okay.

Now, cold reading is like we just talked about, where you're just throwing out general information.

And that's what John Edwards is known for.

He does a lot of that without knowing any information.

Hot reading is what I believe Tyler Henry uses.

And hot reading is something you can mix with cold reading.

Hot reading is when you know.

one piece of information or a couple, something specific.

So like you just said, maybe a psychic would know that this person, somehow they know that they have a parakeet you know and that's their hot information so now they can use cold reading to kind of connect to that information they already know well also he only he only does psychic readings on really famous people yeah that we know a ton of information about easy to yeah to look up yeah yeah and he and and his best defense against that is saying like oh well i i didn't really know them or like i never heard of kim kardashian or something like that's ridiculous Right, right, right.

Like, everyone has.

The medical medium can talk to spirit, but he is not a real doctor.

I am all about mediums.

I'm so obsessed.

Anyone that knows me knows I love connecting to the spirit world.

So, yeah, if you can tell me anything about what is up with Tyler's scribbling,

yeah.

So,

he's an interesting one.

What fascinates me about him is that Tyler Henry, whenever I see him do his thing,

he comes off as someone who learned mentalism at a young age or watched magic and kind of like me and decided, oh, you know what?

I think I can do this and make people think it's real because he uses a lot of very old techniques and things that are like

in very old mentalism books and psychic books, because that is something called automatic writing, which is not something that many psychics do nowadays.

It's kind of like an old-fashioned performance.

Mentalists used to be known as psychic entertainers.

And a lot of them would use like these performance things where they would take a pad and they would do automatic writing where they're scribbling.

And while they're scribbling, they're getting messages.

But in reality, the reason this was kind of invented is a lot of mentalists back in the day would remember how

we talked about like getting slips of paper that people fill out

well a lot of uh mentalists back in the day they would have like uh those slips of paper they would secretly obtain and then they would hold it in a secret pocket where they're writing on the pad um or they would like hold it while scribbling on a pad and they would just read the information so they didn't have to remember it so this was kind of a something that to me when i when i saw his oh because it gives them something to be looking at and doing and then the person getting read wouldn't notice that they had something in front of them that had information on it because they're just like, their hand is going wild.

Exactly.

It gives them a justification.

And, you know, again, I don't know if he's doing that at all, but I do find it interesting that he's using that kind of presentation

that he says, you know, that's how he gets his messages.

So it is, it is interesting.

And there's also, I just saw a clip of him recently on one of his, I don't know if it was his special or if he was just being interviewed,

but there's a clip of him, which I, it blew me away that he did this because this is definitely not something that a psychic would normally do.

This is something that a magician would do.

Okay.

He was doing this reading with like these two interviewers and

he was like getting this basic information saying he was talking to a spirit and he keeps hearing the name David and she's like, oh, that's I forget what she said.

Like that's my uncle or something or my friend David.

And he said, said, David, really?

And then he like pulled out of his pocket a paper that he opened up.

It was folded and it had the name David on it.

I was like, Look, David, I knew I wrote this down earlier, David.

And I was blown away by this.

I was like, that is the corniest, like, that is like, you, you just did a magic trick.

That's not a psychic thing to do.

I also want to point something out here.

This is going to be a little weird,

but I see, okay, all right, microphone's in there.

I'm going to show you this.

So, before I came here today, I wrote down

this.

Now,

it was stuffed animal plushie, would be today's object.

And the weird thing about that is that this symbolized basically that, regardless of how little or how much that person comes through today, you need to know they were coming through before I even got here today.

So,

at the very least,

So hot reading, again, is what I believe he uses, which is where you hear of people doing social media research, like psychics looking up social media before the show.

Or, you know, maybe they fill slips out at the show and then someone relays that information,

which is more like my show because I have, I combine hot reading and cold reading.

I don't do any research.

Wait, who would fill out a slip on their way into a psychic reading?

It happens more than you think.

It's a lot easier for me to do because, as a mentalist, they know they're coming in to see a magic show.

So, for mine, for example, I have slips that have them fill out things that say interesting and unique things about themselves.

They write down and then they're like tossed in a bowl.

And I never touch those or anything, but then I'm able to go on and do some cold reading and guess these very specific things.

So, that's how it's done in my show.

And psychics essentially can do the same thing but for example tyler henry his live show when he before he comes out he has a big

projection on the screen in the back and it's a qr code and it says um you know it's basically like a sign up to his you put your email in or your name and your email and uh you get his newsletter.

He puts this up right before his show.

Now, to me, that's insane.

If I were to do that, if I were to do that at my show, people would be like, well, you're clearly, you're just getting my name from the, from my, if I sign up and you're getting that information.

But him, he gets, psychics get away with a lot more.

It's so ironic because psychics get away with things that me as a mentalist or magician could never get away with.

Because people, when they go see a mentalist or magician, they know they're being tricked and they want to try to like catch you out.

They're like, it's almost like a challenge.

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I got my money back at a Copperfield show once.

Really?

Yeah, I walked out in Vegas because I was sat at this,

I had this one, wherever I was sat, I could see just barely under the stage and I could see people moving back and forth underneath it to like hand him things from beneath the stage.

And I got immediately bored and I walked back to the desk at the casino and I said, I could see everybody underneath the stage from my seat.

And they were like, what seat were you in?

And I was like, I'm not going to tell you that.

That's giving away all my secrets.

Take that seat away.

Yeah.

But I'd like my money back.

And they were like, okay.

And then I asked the lady, I was like, does this ever happen?

And she said, yeah, every once in a while.

So I'm not the only person that's done that.

But

yeah, a magician or a mentalist or something like that, you understand you're being given a show.

But I guess with a psychic, you have to kind of believe that they have some special ability.

People typically, when they go to see a psychic, they're there because they want them to connect with someone in their life.

Like they are wishing that this is true and they're hoping that it's true.

So it's a lot easier for psychics to really take advantage of those feelings and those that it's, it's not even that people

are gullible.

It's just that

they want it to be true because, and a lot of them are grieving, like they've lost someone and they want to talk to that person.

So they get away with a lot of things.

This makes me think of our, and I don't want to jump too far ahead, but what you're saying right now makes me think of our current political environment and our political leaders who just lie, lie, lie, lie, lie.

And then

people vote for them

and want to believe the lies.

Do you think about that?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

I do.

Do you have specific thoughts on like how our president just

will go on television and spew a bunch of lies.

And then people are like, rah, rah, this guy sounds great, but he's just like, honestly, it's full of baloney.

It's insane to me.

And to me, it,

and especially in my background of, of seeing like,

you know, exposing faith healers and psychics and these cult-like ideologies, it is, it's kind of frightening to see it.

in this scale, in this large scale of things.

Because we've obviously we've heard about it happening in history where there's things things like this happening, but seeing it happen now is.

Risputan is the only one I can really think of.

Yeah.

Yeah, no, exactly.

And it's kind of scary.

There's also the Long Island medium.

I think she's one of the most famous psychics at the moment, right?

Yes.

Teresa Caputo.

Teresa Caputo, right?

She's the one with the like giant blonde hair.

Giant hair.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So Teresa Caputo, the Long Island medium, she is frequently showcased on the Drew Barrymore show.

She was supposedly connecting with someone who she was saying she was getting like blood in her throat or a taste of blood and something that was kind of like...

sudden and something with their heart or their chest or it's like a sudden death type of thing and that they were young.

in cold reading there's something called which is a technique she's using which is saying general information there's something called barnum statements and barnum statements are statements that if you say it uh it really applies to a ton of different people and a ton of different situations so when she says you know immediately she's getting um

you know something sudden she's getting blood taste in her throat completely unexpected departure over here because i just keep tasting blood so

Essentially what she's doing is she's saying like, okay, this, this covers a lot of things.

This could be a heart attack.

It could be throat cancer.

It could be someone died of old age suddenly from a heart attack.

It could be, but then

she does eventually she starts to, when someone connects, she says she's getting someone like it was sudden and unexpected.

So, because I'm going to say this, this was an absolute freak thing that happened on how I I left the physical world.

Yeah.

And she's also getting someone young, because the person she connected with was a pretty young person.

And when this is a very clever thing that, I mean, I don't think it's that clever, but psychics keep using it.

And it's this technique where they say it was like a sudden death, which statistically...

Most young deaths are very unexpected and also very sudden.

You know, no one really expects that kind of thing.

And especially when she's already established that this is like she's tasting blood in her throat.

So she covers a lot of things.

It could be, you know, a suicide that someone did.

It could be they were in a horrible accident.

It could be, again, like a heart attack or something like that.

This person who is sitting, you know, says, oh, she, she gives all the information.

She says, oh, this is my

best friend when we were younger.

I had a friend who

got ran over.

Okay.

Day after his birthday.

Yeah, it was a very rainy night um darbor just didn't see and he jaywalked what happens is teresa and and a lot of psychics that do this whenever the sitter gives information

they

basically attempt to later on take credit for the fact that they got that information and a lot of people buy into that they'll say well how would how would she have known that it was her friend that died in a car accident and i always say and in my video i say she didn't She didn't know that information.

If she knew that information, she would have just said it.

She would have said, there's someone in this audience who looks like this.

Her best friend died in a car accident when she was young, and she wants to tell you this.

That's not what happened.

She has to say, start with the general information, have the person sitting say most of the information.

Did someone leave the scene of the accident?

Or

I heard tell her that even if they got to me sooner,

I still would not have been able to survive.

And then all Teresa does is she kind of closes it up by saying, you know, oh, well, they just wanted to let you know there's nothing that could have been done, essentially.

You know, kind of wraps it up in

a nice ending package where, you know, everyone feels good about it.

He actually just said to me that you had a dream of him.

Yeah.

He goes, I told her.

that I was okay in a dream.

When souls step forward and they take responsibility for their departure, it means that they take responsibility for their actions, choices, or decisions.

Do you understand that?

I get in a lot of fights with other magicians and mentalists about this very topic because a lot of mentalists think that there should never be a thought in someone's mind that what we're doing isn't genuine something, whether it's mind reading, whether it's psychology, whatever.

I disagree because fundamentally, and I don't know what the reason is, if this is just how I was raised, if it's just morally, I cannot simply deceive people and then

gain profit off of it.

Like, I just can't do it.

I don't, I don't like when people,

for example, if people come to me and they say, wow, you're in, you have an amazing gift.

You're incredible.

You are, you know, and they say these things like, I, I go, no, no, no, no.

Like, I don't, I don't have a gift.

It's nothing supernatural.

I, I can't live with that.

I, it really bothers me that I, I I want people to leave knowing the truth, even though I'm, it's so funny because I'm literally lying to them during the show.

I'm doing, you know, I'm deceiving them during the show for fun, for entertainment.

But when it's all said and done, like, I don't want anyone leaving being misinformed and misled and changing beliefs because mentalism in a way can be very believable.

You know, if I'm doing something and I guess their childhood best friend or something, their name, their best friend when they were kids, Um, I could, you know, people could leave believing that's believable, like there's some way I'm doing that, and whether it's a special gift or something, but I don't want them to leave thinking that.

I don't want them to leave thinking that I have a psychic power morally.

I just can't, I can't do it.

Yeah, but it's also almost cooler that it's some, a skill.

Like that seems cooler than a gift to me.

Yeah, I like telling people, like, I, I just did, and this is a, this is completely true.

I just did a high school show

two nights ago in on long island speaking of long island um but i just did a high school show for all these seniors and you know at the end of the show a lot of them were amazed and they came up and they were asking me they're like wait but how do you do this how do you do this like you

you're not a psychic you can't read minds and and i said no like it's just something i've learned it's a skill you learn and you you learn these techniques and they said well you're telling me i could do this i could learn this like i could you know do it myself i I said absolutely a thousand percent if I could do it you could do it anyone can do it you just have to put the work in you have to really learn it and study it and

and there's something about that that I agree I think that's more inspiring to me than the idea that magic is real yeah why do you think people want to believe it so badly

Because it is awesome.

Like if magic was real, if

people could have supernatural powers, if they could move things with their their mind,

then that would be awesome.

Like life would be a lot more interesting and fun.

But

in reality,

I just haven't, I haven't seen any proof of that.

I haven't seen that before.

Could we teach our audience about the popsicle stick?

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, you saw that one.

Yeah, it's similar to spoon bending, but easier.

And kids can do it.

Can you describe it?

Yes.

Yeah, it's a really fun one.

So So what you do is you take a popsicle stick and then you bend it to the point where one side of the popsicle stick starts to crack and break, kind of splits up.

In the middle.

You're bending it in the middle, right?

Yeah, right in the middle.

And then the other side of it is still intact.

You can't see that there's any type of breakage in it.

So you do it just enough till you get that one side kind of splintered and broken.

Then you put it back straight.

And so that if you hold it towards someone on the side that has no breakage in it or anything, it looks totally normal.

It looks fine.

And what you do is you hold it

in between your thumb and your first finger at the very bottom of the popsicle stick.

And so you kind of hold it up in front of someone and then use your other hand to snap your fingers.

And while you do this, you use the hand that's holding the popsicle stick to flick it with your ring finger or middle finger.

At the very bottom of the stick?

Yeah, you flick the very bottom and what will happen is it will cause it to snap in half like instantly.

And it looks like you're controlling this with your mind.

You can even to kind of sell the illusion even more,

you can even like hold it

forward.

How should I say it?

Kind of like, so instead of up and down the popsicle stick, you kind of hold it so that it is uh parallel to the floor okay and then when you do it it will snap upwards which is like an unnatural movement instead of it snapping down it like snaps up yeah towards you towards you know the ceiling and that looks cool that look it just looks magical it looks like you're you're breaking it with your mind

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