How to Write a Book That Will Transform Your Brand and Business | Chandler Bolt | EP 53

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Have you ever dreamed of writing a book? If you have, I have some great news. Here's the truth.
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Go to selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA. New York Times says 81% of people want to do it.
We know that less than 1% actually do it. So you become part of an elite club when you do it.
But if you, I mean, if you want to bring leverage to your business, if you feel like you have expertise to share and you want to create something that lives after you're off this earth, you should, you should try to publish a book. And I think, especially for that business owner looking to go from one to one to one to many.
It's like, how do I scale?

How do I bring leverage to what I'm doing?

A book is the ultimate leverage, right?

Because you do work once you create this book and then this book goes on to impact

thousands, tens of thousands, millions of people.

And it brings in customers, it grows your business, it trains your employees,

it trains your, it trains and onboard your customers.

I mean, there's just so many ways, points of leverage, uh, that a book can bring to your employees. It trains and onboards your customers.
I mean, there's just so many ways, points of leverage that a book can bring to your business. What is up, Entrepreneur DNA? We are back.
It is the beginning of the year. And I'll tell you, this subject is so near and dear to my heart.
And this individual who I am having on this episode can make a massive, massive, I mean massive difference in your business going into 2025. Today, I have selfpublishing.com owner, founder, creator, the man himself that could help you guys write your own book if you want.
Chandler Bolt is here. What's up, dude? Justin, what's happening? Great to be here.
Thanks for having me. Yeah, dude, this is something so near and dear to my heart because quite literally I just dropped my book like two weeks ago, right before the holiday.
Exciting. Super.
Congratulations. That's amazing.
It is. And so I'm super excited about it and I'm super excited to have you here because that process was such a learning, freeing process for me.
And I want to kind of talk about that live with you. In fact, I probably have a bunch of questions I could be asking you as my audience probably does.
But let's just talk about this whole concept about self-publishing, period, right? I mean, you have now taken what I think most commoners, myself included, until I just went through this process, sounds like you're trying to clown Mount Everest, right? Like, how am I going to self-publish? How am I going to become an author? How does this, I'm not an author. What do I know, right? Maybe kind of start there with what you do as a whole.
And then I'm sure I'm going to have like 20 questions on what I could be doing better as a bestselling author now. Yeah.
So, I mean, we exist because the traditional publishing model is broken, right? We're in the Uber to the taxi industry. Everybody knows it's broken.
No one likes it. No one enjoys it.
And it's not a great experience. And so people are seeking a better way.
And so it used to be that self-publishing was the backup plan. Now it's the preferred option for most authors because they want to keep their rights and royalties.
They want to bet on themselves. And there's just a better way.
Publishers don't sell books. They're probably not going to give you any money for your book.
And so if you truly want to do this the right way and do it in a way that strategically grows your business, it's just the path. So that's why we started.
And I did it successfully myself a couple of times. Then people started asking, hey, how are you doing this? And so since then, I've published seven books.
Personally, our company's published thousands. I think we're like 7,000 books or so.
We publish about two to five books a day. This helped me land on Forbes started under 30.
We've done about $70 million in the last decade. So, I mean, built obviously a very thriving and successful business off of it, but it all started because people were looking for a better way.
And looking, I mean, we believe that books change lives. And so we're in the business of changing lives and growing businesses through books.
Oh, bro, this is going to be fun. If you guys are on here and you want to build a bigger brand, grow your business, or just start, by the way, just start.
This is going to be a hell of an episode. So let's talk about this whole, who should publish a book? Let's start there.
Who should go out there and write a book? Yeah. I mean, New York Times says 81% of people want to do it.
We know that less than 1% actually do it. So you become part of an elite club when you do it.
But if you, I mean, if you want to bring leverage to your business, if you feel like you have expertise to share and you want to create something that lives after you're off this earth, you should try to publish a book. And I think, especially for that business owner looking to go from one to one to one to many, it's like, how do I scale?

How do I bring leverage to what I'm doing?

A book is the ultimate leverage, right?

Because you do work once you create this book and then this book goes on to impact thousands, tens of thousands, millions of people. And it brings in customers, it grows your business, it trains your employees, it trains and onboards your customers.
I mean, there's just so many ways, points of leverage that a book can bring to your business. So business owners for sure.
And then those other groups that I mentioned. Yeah.
I would even say, you know, I literally have a one-on-one coaching client. I do from time to time to do one-on-one coaching.
She wants to write a book because it's on her heart. Right.
And she just feels like she will be able to make an impact from the experiences she's gone through. And so the only thing I would add to it, yeah, this is called the entrepreneur DNA.
Yes. You know, primarily of business owners, but like, I just think you would also have a conversation with someone who just wants to make an impactful motivation, inspirational, aspirational type of book.
Right. I mean, there's really kind of no limit to someone who wants to do it.
Correct. Yeah.
I mean, we help tons of non-business owners write and publish books. That's where you predominantly work with business owners, but I'd say people who just want to make an impact and they know that they've been through life experiences and they know the book can help other people.
We also have a really thriving fiction side of the business, children's book side of the business. So we can help in a lot of different ways, but I figure for most people listening to this, it's, Hey, you're not listening to the entrepreneur DNA unless you're an entrepreneur or want to be one.
Uh, and the book is one of the best ways to scale or start a business in my, in my, in my experience, in my opinion. Yeah.
And, and by the way, big giveaway right now, Chandler out of the kindness of his own heart, asked if he'd be okay to put together a training. Like, hey, if people are actually interested, they have further questions.
Because as we record this podcast, obviously, you listeners and everyone watching on YouTube and everywhere else, you can't ask us questions right now. And so out of the kindness of his heart, he said, can we put together something that I can actually engage with your audience?

And I said, absolutely.

So we put together a training coming up on January 15th.

Right, Chandler?

Live.

It will be open Q&A.

There'll be more training.

And so I want you guys, if you want to, go to selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA.

Right, Chandler?

Selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA. Right, Chandler? Selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA.
We'll do a live training together. Obviously, I just launched a book.
It hit number one bestseller author within 24 hours. This is what he does.
This is how he does it. This has been his entire business and he can help any of you listening or watching this right now, go out and complete maybe a heartfelt mission, a business-led mission, whatever that may be.
He is the guy. So selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA.
And that'll be on January 15th. Yep.
And just for if you're listening to this after that, it'll be still available for you too. We will make that evergreen.
So if you want to learn how to write, write a book that grows your business, check out selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA register there. You can get the replay, all that good stuff.
Oh yeah, dude. That's great.
So you're going to keep it evergreen, even better for all of you. And guys, here's, here's a little bit of what I would tell you guys.
And the reason why I'm so excited to be doing this as the very first episode that I'm recording here in January is because I just did this. I just went through the process.
And what I'll tell you is, no, it's not easy to write a book. I wouldn't just say, oh yeah, you just have some thoughts and they come out and you have 200 pages in a book.
It's not that. But man, I'll tell you the processes was not as hard as what I think people say or think.
To your point, I think you quoted like 81% of people want to write a book, less than 1% do, right? Well, you can make that process. What is kind of the process? Like, how do you simplify this for people who are like, dude, I would love to if it wasn't going to be soul sucking.
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Yeah, so I am a C-level English student and a college dropout with ADHD. There you go.
So if there was a least likely to publish list, it would just be me at the top. And so I think sometimes the worst students become the best teachers because you know what it's like to struggle with the thing.
And so what I did and what we do is we walk people through the eight milestones. And I know a lot of people are probably listening to this, not watching this, but the eight milestones, they're steps along the journey, right? And this is my new book published.
When you register for the training, you'll get a free copy of this book as well. So it'd be super helpful for you guys.
Um, but there's eight milestones. The first four are what I call the more writing method.
So mind map outline rough draft editing. Okay.
So that's the more writing method. That's, you know, really the first four to five steps of the process.
Then you move into cover design, formatting, launch. Uh, and so that's like at a glance, those are the eight milestones that you walk through.
And then if you truly want to do this to grow your business though, that's where you really got to be intentional about. And I've got a chapter on this in the book as well.
How do you integrate this into the business? Because this book here has brought in tens of millions of dollars in sales for my company. And so that's where we try to get really strategic and say, how do we use this book to double your leads, your sales and your referrals? And so that's where I'm sure we can jam on some of that stuff, but that's like the core meat of it.
Now, yeah, you can't get there if you don't first get the book done and published. So that's where we help a lot of people is getting their butt in gear and actually getting it done.
But then if you just do it and you don't tie it in your business, you're leaving a ton of money on the table. Yeah, there's no doubt.
I mean, here's the thing I would tell you is the hardest part. So I'm an actual English major.
I don't know if you know that, Chandler. Went to UCLA, English major.
I will tell you I read one book in high school, The Catcher and the Rye. I still remember it was the only book I read in high school, The Catcher and the Rye.
They wanted us to read a lot of books. I read one.
Okay. Somehow I became an English major.
And so I say all that to just say, you know, a lot of people find just like when writing papers in college, just starting is the hardest part. And I think that's where all of you listening to this and watching this, like get with Chandler, get to this next training because just getting yourself going in the right direction can be really impactful, right? You have something on your heart.
You have something in your mind that you want to get out on paper. You want to grow your business as a way to offer something of value to grow your business.
Like get there, get to this training because it is the hardest part. Cause you think it's this albatross of a thing that is so big you can't conquer it.
Chandler will dumb it down, simplify it, create it where you will start to be able to take actions towards your goals. So let's talk about the best way, like what are you doing or what would give some advice for us entrepreneurs in terms of the book? Like what are some strategies help? Like, the reason why I'm asking is in my head, I know too much at this point because I just went through this, but someone may be listening or watching.
Why would a book help me build my business? How could it help me build my business? It's a book, right? Do authors make any money? Yeah. No, these are all really great questions.
And I would say, you know, I'll cover this on the training as well. And I'm going to break down on the training.
It's a $7.5 million blueprint. That's about how much my book and my books generated in revenue for my business last year.
And so I'll walk through the blueprint of exactly how we're doing it. But I like to think of this in the lens of if we're talking business owners specifically, because can you make money off the book itself? Sure.
Is it life-changing money? Absolutely not. Unless you are the 1% of the 1%, right? Now, is it nice to say, hey, I sell a hundred books a month and three years from now, I'll get a few hundred dollar a month royalty check because I self-published.
Yeah, that's awesome. And that's one of the truest forms of passive income is just that book that keeps selling.
So yes, but I mean, it's not life-changing money for most people. So where the real upside for most people listening to this is on the business side of things.
So I like to think in three buckets, it's how do I use the book to get more leads, more sales, more referrals?

And so leads, this is giving away the book for free all over the place, whether in digital form, ebook form.

We use it, and this actually kind of ties in, leads sales, right?

This ties into the sales process and getting more sales is we use the book.

I mean, we give it away at every part of the funnel.

So it boosts conversions, it boosts signups, it boosts showups, it boosts appointments

booked.

It's a certain authority that comes when people find out that you're an author, right? The root word of authority is author. You can't spell the word authority without the word author.
So in the mind of your prospects or customers, when they find out you wrote the book on the thing that they need help with, it kind of becomes a no-brainer to work with you. So we integrate it in the sales process, see huge lifts there, tons of, and even just on the lead side of things, instead of paying for leads, we are getting free leads because we give away the book free, or in a lot of cases, we're getting paid to get leads.
They buy the book, then they opt into our stuff. And so then that helps getting more sales and then more referrals.
I mean, we use it as a big referral piece and I recommend that people do this as well, is give away two copies of your book to every new customer, every past customer or potential customer. So there's kind of three buckets that you can go in there.
And we had someone come to one of our workshops and did this for past customers.

I think they generated a hundred or something thousand dollars

in revenue in 90 days

because they just sent a copy of their book

to every past customer with a note that said,

hey, I'd love to work together again.

Or if you know someone else

who's looking for the help that we help with.

And so you stand out, right? Because not many people are shipping physical books unsolicited to someone,

right? And then with new customers, give them two copies and say, Hey, here's one for you.

Here's one for someone you know, who needs help with the thing that I help with, right? So now

all of a sudden people are, you turn active customers into active refers and they're sending

you business by making them look good. Because I'm saying, Hey Colby, you should check out this

Thank you. you turn active customers into active refers and they're sending you business by making them look good because i'm saying hey colby you should check out this book and actually here's a free copy that i got for you right and instead of saying hey hey hey colby i know i'm referring to you by your last name everyone does by the way um but like instead of saying hey you should work with chandler and sell publish notublish.com, right? And so it just makes it a little bit easier for people to refer your business.
So I could go all day within those buckets, but that's how I think about it is how do we strategically build this as a pillar that continues, I call it the silent salesman. This book's out there selling for us all day, every day.
And me and my sales team aren't having to say anything because the book speaking is bringing back leads, sales and referrals. Which is huge.
I mean, if you're in business, all you're trying to do is build your business. Well, the best way to build your business is get more sales.
Well, how do you get sales? You got to bring more leads, right? And so the process as a whole, walk us through time, effort, energy, right? I think, again, I'm trying to demyth the thing that I think stops most people, which is it's going to take so much time, so much energy. How am I going to complete it? What, you know, I want to demyth all that.
Guys, it's easier than you think it is. Yeah.
So the process, I would say, there's a couple of things. One, on this training, I'll talk to you about how to get a rough draft done in a weekend.
So I know that probably sounds crazy. And this is actually not even including AI.
Even without that, it's possible. But I go back to that more writing method.
So mind map, outline, rough draft, editing. And what I would really encourage people to do, if you're listening to this right now and you're thinking, hmm, I'm either planning on doing a book or this sounds interesting.
Just take 15 minutes as soon as you get done listening to this and do a mind map with all the ideas around the topic that you'd write your book on. So what are the stories that you have, the lessons that you've learned, the books that you've read, the ideas that you have, even just the broken record conversations that you find yourself seemingly repeating over and over and over again with prospects, customers, and employees.
Write those things out. And I think what'll happen, at least this is what happened to me, and this is what happens with a lot of folks that we walk through this process, you start to realize I've got a whole lot more that I could write about than That's right.
That's right. And so, yeah, so you've seen that.
And so now you start to, you've got things on the page and then it makes the outline better and easier. And then the better the outline, the faster the book.
And that's where you can get the book to your point, Justin, you can get the book done a lot faster and, and write a better book. Listen, I talk a lot about something and I've talked a lot about it recently, and this is why I wrote the book, right? So I have a whole, I've 18 years experience in the real estate space.
And so I already have a certain amount of credibility, influence, and authority already. I've done this for a long time.
But the book is another layer that to your point, Chandler, 81% of the people want to, less than 1% of people do. So now I'm putting myself in a category of less than 1%.
People go into 2025, I'm going to change my life. I'm going to eat better.
I'm going to do more business, work harder, stop drinking, whatever these things are. And then all these people talk about, you know, the one percenters.

This is quite literally a category of you could be in the less than one percenters, right? And this is all the more reason. If you have a business, if you are some level of an entrepreneur and you want to grow, be in less than one percent of the people that can actually go do that.
Right. And so, you know, there's no reason, in my opinion, there should be no reason.
All of my listeners right now, all the people watching this, that you don't go and at least join us January 15th for another kind of more open Q and a more coaching and training from Chandler. If you just go to selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA,

selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA, there should be no reason you don't.

Because this puts you in a category of credibility, influence, and authority immediately, effective immediately. How many of you guys have anything? Now, Chandler,

I'm assuming most of your sales come from Amazon, I'm assuming, correct, for your books?

Yep. Yep, for the most part.
The question out there for all of you listening to this, how many of you guys have your own thing that you're selling on Amazon? That someone could go type your name in on Amazon and your thing comes up? Probably not many of you. Do you think there's some credibility, influence, and authority that comes along with that, that you're on the biggest platform, right? And so I think what I want to dive into here, given the vein of thought I'm on right now, which is talk to us about branding, the credibility that comes along with it, the influence that comes along with it, because I'm big on that right now.
Like pushing into 2025, if you really want to separate yourself from everyone else, the 99 percenters, you need a brand. Who are you? What do you do? Right.
And then when you do go for an ask, people will say, sure, I'm happy to give. So talk about books, credibility, influence, authority, that kind of stuff.
Yeah. Well, I mean, I think if you want to build a brand, what does having a brand mean? It means that you're known for something.
You can't have a brand unless you're known for something. And a lot of times that known for something is something of value.
to the people who are listening, watching, et cetera. So in my opinion, a book is one of the best ways to build a brand.

If you think about, I mean, just think about how many times we've seen this playbook ran.

This is not a new playbook. It works.
Yeah. I mean, it's a buddy of mine, Dan Martell just, just launched a book and, and buy back your time.
Yeah. Yeah.
Buy back your time. Right.
And we've, I've been talking to him about that book for probably five years now and look at the trajectory of his brand after he published that book. That's right.
Buy back your time. Right.
And so now what do you know? What's the brand of Dan Martel? Buy back your time. Okay.
Alex Hermosey, what's the brand that you know? Sure. Maybe acquisition.com, but how do you know about acquisition.com? Because you probably read one of his books, a hundred million dollar leads, a hundred million dollar offers.
Right. And that is, and sure he's doing a lot of stuff on social.
I think there's a lot of great social things to build a brand, but the book is the next step in that. Where people say, hey, I'm a casual observer to I'm an active participant in the brand and the movement that you're building.
And so that's where I look at it is it's a step in that ascension path that adds massive value. And I mean, the physical book is in people's homes and offices.
And how else are you going to do that? Like you might be on their phone, but are you in their home? And so it just, it takes that brand and that intimacy to a whole nother level. And even just as something as simple as an audio book.
I mean, if you think about if I listened to a full audio book from someone and it was read by the author, there's just another level of value. And guess who does that? Everyone these days, right? Like there's a couple of things, audio books.
I don't, I'm an English major and I've read a lot and I actually don't mind reading, but finding time to sit down, remove myself versus creating time for an audio book. Great example.
Today I'm on the dreaded stair climber. Well, I'm like, dude, this is a perfect time for me to listen to, I call it info diet.
What is your info diet? Something motivational, inspirational, something that I can, you know, change or, or so I always am audio booking all the time flights. I'm traveling just like you're traveling.
We just shared the stage of clever summit, right? Like audio books. I'm assuming all of your books are on audio book.
Oops, sorry. I muted myself.
Uh, no doubt. Yeah.
I mean, they're all on audio book and we give away the audio book for free everywhere. In fact, this is a bonus tip for folks.
Check this out. So at the beginning of all my books, I mean, not all of them, but just about all of them, I do two things at the top.
And again, I know a lot of people won't see this. If you just go to my Amazon listing for my book published on Amazon and click into the look inside, you're going to see in the first few pages these two things.
There's the audiobook for free, and there's a video summary, video summary. This is my best performing webinar.
And that summarizes the content of the book and then the audio book there for free. So what's happening? You're increasing consumption, right? Which by increasing consumption, you're increasing the value that you're adding to the reader.
And, and so, yeah, all of mine are on audio book and I read them. And so I've, I have a podcast I really believe in podcasts, but I think there's just something that's a next level when you spend, this is not, you know, it's not an interview podcast inside of a book.
So my podcast, interview podcast, this podcast, interview podcast, awesome. But a lot of times, you know, you bring me on, the audience is hearing a lot of my thoughts.
That's right. Right.
And, and, and not so much of your thoughts, but they listen to your book

and it's like, okay, I just spent five, 10 hours with Justin learning the best things that he

knows. I'm really interested in that.
Okay. Hey, how can I work with this guy further?

And so it just makes the sales process. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

It just makes the sales process so much easier and simpler while also adding a ton of value. I had a guy show up at our office the other day and he said, oh yeah, I read your book and I published a book.
He's like, I didn't even work with you guys. And I'm like, that's awesome.
That is the ripple effect. So that guy is a brand ambassador for us.
Going back to your question on brand, that guy is a brand, he's shouting from the rooftops, selfpublished.com is legit. And oh, by the way, you should read this book.
So he's referring us business, right? And he didn't even work with us. That's the power of a book.
That is. And funny, the other thing I was going to say, I see that plaque behind you.
You know who my next interview is after you? Russell? Russell. Nice.
Yeah. And so, you know.
Another brand built on books. I was just going to say that.
When we think about brand, my very next guest is going to be Russell. Russell Brunson.
For those of you who can't watch this, some of you are listening to this, right? So behind him, he has the plaque for ClickFunnels. But Russell Brunson has built a massive brand.
Now, just like Alex Ramosi, it's books, it's trainings, it's sales, right? He's known setting the record for the most live onstage sales with Grant Cardone and all these other things. But think about where a lot of this brand came from.
The book. Right? I mean, if you're in any level of any sort of digital sales out there, from enterprise level down to the smallest just started infomercial guy, you know of ClickFunnels.
You know of Russell, right? And probably because you read Expert Secrets. Yeah.
You read Traffic Secrets, one of those books, right? And it teaches a methodology, which just so happens to involve the software that he sells. That's right, which is funny.
So this goes back to the point that I think a lot of people, I really, I'm going to keep saying this. We're doing another training, January 15th, right? Selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA register.
Because a lot of what people don't understand, I'll use Russell as a great example. God, I'll use Grant Cardone as a great example.
What does Grant Cardone know for now? Real estate. Everyone knows him as a multi-billionaire, four, five, six, seven billion, whatever he's at right now for real estate.
What catapulted his brand for him to do this? He has seven or eight or nine. He might even have 10 books at this point.
Right. And it's because he leveraged all of the things that went into his 50 or 60 years of entrepreneurship, put them in books like 10X.
And that is the catalyst that starts to create a brand we're all now aware of. I mean, I really think back on who I knew Grant to be was through his sales stuff that he created a book around sales.

But now we all know him as real estate.

So I say that to just, it doesn't matter the widget.

Like Russell Brunson is a brilliant example of this.

He had a tech company, essentially funnels, right?

Technology.

But what he did is he said, okay, well, what can get me more people to get this technology? Well, I need to create a brand as a person. And so he wrote a book.
So I don't care what you do. I don't care if you're out there listening to this and you own a bakery shop.
I don't care if you're in real estate. I don't care if you're in mortgages or whatever, whatever you might be in, right? I mean, it doesn't matter.
You need to care about the brand because if people don't know what you do, then they can't buy the thing you have. Yeah.
It's a great point. I was even just pulling this up as you were talking about that.
And I said, oh, what do you know? 2011, he launched seller be sold. 2011, he launched the 10 next rule.
When did most people start hearing about grant card on that's right that's right it's pretty funny seeing that just kind of trajectory well and that and without even looking that up i just knew that when we started talking like dude think about some of the biggest names and i remember seller be sold it was the first book i bought it was the first and by the way i didn I audio booked it. Right.
And so, and then that led into, then he did 10 acts. I was like, ah,

that's pretty motivational. Not totally new idea.
Right. But cool.
And then obviously me being so

heavily in real estate, the synergy is there and I've interviewed him twice. And I'm about to have

a third interview with him here in a couple of weeks. I say that to just say like, people forget that he's a bestselling author because now there's such this, he did what he set out to do and built this incredible portfolio of real estate.
And now he's on this other trajectory, but it doesn't matter what you're trying to do. Write the book, get on this training.
Because I say it this way, people need to know who you you are. Then you know what you do, and then they need to know what you're looking for.
And what you're looking for is the opportunity for you to basically grow your business, sell them something, one thing or another, sell it to them. Right.
Um, so given that, you know, the, the idea of Where do you think the book publishing, you know, I kind of want to bring up this thought of people think money, right? Like, I didn't write this book to make a dollar, right? Like, I'm not trying to be some bestselling author that makes $10 million by authoring. That's the right word, by the way.
But, you know, is Barnes & Noble's even going to say, like, are all these bookstores even going to exist for much longer? Maybe. It doesn't matter, though, honestly.
Physical books won't be there. So, I mean, this is the big difference, right? It used to be that the only way that you sold books was to be in bookstores.
The only way to be in a bookstore was have a publisher. That's why they have and had such a monopoly.
And the only way to have a publisher was have an agent and, and, and, right? There's always gatekeepers and middlemen. But then now over 70% of books are sold through Amazon and other online retailers, and you don't need a publisher to distribute through those platforms.
And if I were to ask someone listening, hey, what's the last book that you read? Okay. Who published that? No one would know.
Right. Never.
So it's democratized. No one knows.
No one cares. They care.
Is this book good and will it bring me value? Right. And so, so will those bookstores be in business? Maybe so, maybe not.
Doesn't much matter because there's democratization of distribution. And when I'm an, and even in the sort of, I mean, if I self-publish, I can give away the book for free all over the place, which is way more valuable than, you know, the lead or the customer is way more valuable than the four or five bucks I would have made from the royalty of that book anyway.
So why not just give it away everywhere and integrate it into my business? And now I'm making tens of millions instead of tens of thousands. Yep.
Is there any limitation to it that you can think of? I mean, what would be any downside to writing? I just literally am sitting here like, why wouldn't everyone work with you, write a book and get out there? I mean, even if like, even if it's just to get something out to start, like, that's the way I look at it is like, just get your first book out. If, if your mom is the only person that buys it, so be it.
Right. But at least you have something to gain some credibility, some authority to your point.
Right. Like author and authority are synonymous.
Right. And so is there like, I just feel like the main limitation is in your mind, right? Because it is, it's a short-term sacrifice and a short-term investment of both time, money, and energy, right? To get the book done.
And in order to do that in any area, any area of your life, you have to believe that this is going to lead to a better outcome for your business and for your future. And so most people, they just don't see a far enough to believe in that piece and the short term and the current.
And so that is the barrier. It's believing that I can do it and then making the sacrifice and believing in the short term sacrifice of time, money and energy to make it happen.
Yeah. And I think the other part is they don't know the things that you can help them do.
So for example, putting it on Amazon, someone might be like, bro, I don't know how to put something on Amazon, sell it through Amazon. How do I collect the money? And how do I, so walk through kind of your actual process.
So they know that like all the things that you're going to help them do. Yeah.
So we, we, we help people go from blank page or in some cases, even no idea to published author and growing your business, using your book. Now the, in between there, there's, there's eight milestones for sure.
But then there's a bunch of mechanisms. We coach people through the process.
Um, and that's a huge, huge, huge value add to actually get, even get the book done, but then to do it at a high level. We've got curriculum and customized kind of programs based on where people are at and what help they need with.
And then we do the final mile of publishing. So we do all the hard stuff for you, cover design, formatting, distribution, upload, ISBN, all the random stuff that's confusing.
It's going to take you a ton of time. You're probably going to have to hire a bunch of people.
It'll cost you a bunch of money. We just do all that stuff for people.
And the best thing is you keep the rights and royalties. So we're not putting our hands in your pocket and you get to bet on yourself.
This is entrepreneurial publishing. This is how I like to think of self-publishing as entrepreneurial publishing.
You're betting on yourself, right? And so that's how we help people is all those steps along the journey. And our goal is to save you hundreds of hours in the process, thousands of dollars in the process.
And then more importantly, get a quality book done that actually moves the needle in your business. Because you can spend a lot of time writing and publishing a book and then it does nothing when it has the capability to do so much.
And so that's where I just see so many people leaving money on the table. And there may be people listening to this in this camp as well.
It's like, oh yeah, I've already done that. Didn't really work for me.
I can't tell you how many people have worked with us. And they're like, oh yeah, I published five books, 10 books, 30 books before I work with you.
And then I work with you. And that one book that I did is more successful than all the ones that I published prior to that because there's a proven process.
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Yeah. So to some extent, you almost like just, you coach them.
You say, hey, here's the best utility for your book. I mean, to your point, great.
You write a book and your mom buys it. Like you've made no impact.
I think people should be writing books just on the impact they have, right? People are like, oh, I don't know if I have anything to offer. You have a whole life experience, right? If you're over the age 35, you have a lot to offer and probably even under that.
But there are life experiences that you've gone through, business experience you've gone through, friendships you've gone through, marriages that you've gone through. Whatever these things are, they provide value to other people that you can take these golden nuggets.
By the way, part of the, you know, we're all aware stories sell, right? Part of the biggest part of the book is letting people know who are you? What have you gone through? What are the stories that can help that person, right? To go and do whatever the thing is they're reading the book. Our books, my book specifically is nonfiction.
It's about real estate. It's about building wealth.
It's about making a whole lot of money, you know? And so for me, it's like, what have I gone through in this 18 year career? And then what have I gone through personally? I think a lot of people want to connect to the author, right? And so if you're here and you're listening again, it may not be the last time I say, but make sure you're there January 15th. But, um, you know, you have a lot to offer.
And if you're going to limit yourself to what Chandler said in your own mind, don't do that. That's your own limiting thinking.
Like if you're genuine about changing your life going into 2025 and a new year and new you and all those other cheesy ass fucking things that people talk about, but then you're not going to maybe take a risk, go out on a limb and at least learn about trying to figure out how to become an author. I'm telling you Chandler's the guy to be working with, right? Like he will simplify everything.
You don't need to figure out Amazon and all that kind of stuff. I didn't have to.
You won't have to. So what are some other notes that you think people need to hear regarding this, whether it's the process, whether it's the ideation of this whole thing? Let's just say someone was in your office right now and sat down and said, man, kind of interested in this.
tell me why I should do this. Yeah.
And so I kind of break this into, into two big buckets in my mind, there's the

getting the book done. And then there's the using the book to accelerate revenue.
So if someone sat

down in my office and said, Hey, I just published this, I'd say, all right, let's roll up our sleeves

and integrate this into your business. And this will be a million dollar revenue stream for you

over the next year, right? If you have a size, if you have a decent enough audience and effort

the sleeves and integrate this into your business. And this will be a million dollar revenue stream for you over the next year, right? If you have a size, if you have a decent enough audience and effort that you put behind this, let's, let's lay out the plan.
But for most people, I would assume that are listening to this or not there yet. So you can't scale your business using the book that you haven't published and you can't publish a book that you haven't written.
That's right. I would kind of start with that and say, okay, what is the main thing? Okay, do that mind map I mentioned earlier, show up to the training.
We're going to walk you through how to actually get it done and then get the draft done over the next 30, 45 days. Strike while the iron's hot at the beginning of the year and you've got momentum, you've got energy, you've got focus, all those things.
Hey, let's get the book done. And then let's talk about radically scaling your business using that book.
I mean, this episode could not come at a better time for me and just for the time of the year. I mean, literally it is January 2nd as we're recording this episode, right? Like if you're genuine about changing your life, changing your trajectory, changing your business, making more money, all these things, you got to be thinking about this, especially if you are a business owner.
And even if you're not, I don't want to limit this. There's probably a lot of people out there listening that want to be a business owner.
Maybe you still have a W-2, maybe you haven't really. Doesn't mean you can't be an author, right? Doesn't mean you don't have a story to tell.
And that, I want to encourage heavily to a minimum. It's totally free.
Join us January 15th. Chandler and I go to selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA.
I encourage you because it took me way too long. Now, factually speaking, I wrote a book a decade ago.
My friend had some things. It got to Amazon.
It went essentially nowhere. I think I sold six copies called The Science of Flipping.
Shocker. And it's still there on Amazon.
I have hair and everything. I'm wearing a tie.
I thought you're supposed to be this big businessman in real estate. It's classic.
But to the person that is like, I don't know if I have, that was my first attempt. I'm talking to you because I am you, right? This book in 24 hours hit number one bestselling author on Amazon.
There's a drastic difference in the two, but it's still encouraging for you to understand. You can still write a book and get the thing going, right? And so I encourage you to really be there January 15th.
And kind of just any parting words, Chandler, that you want to say, besides obviously get to January 15th, selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA. What else do we want to part the listeners with? Yeah, I would say two things.
One, you can't get published if you don't get started. And you may think it's going to be a big cost of time and money to do it.
I think the bigger cost is in the opportunity cost and all the time that you waste. And I, I can't tell you how many, and Dan's a buddy of mine, so I'm kind of giving him a hard time here, but the book came out.
I was like, man, this is crazy. I'm so, this totally changed the game.
I'm like, yeah yeah, yeah, I, I know. I told you, I told you it would.
And I told you to do it a lot sooner. And, and I'm just kind of giving him a hard time there, but that is a conversation.
It's a personification of a conversation that I've had dozens, hundreds of times with people saying, oh man, I wish I would have done this sooner. And so the opportunity cost is tens, hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe millions of dollars that you're leaving on the table by not publishing a book.
It's a huge cost. And so I'd say you can't, you can't get published if you don't get started, get started, work on that mind map, uh, like we talked about, and then show up to the training selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA.
When you register for the training and show up, I'll give you a free copy of my book. So it's going to help even more.
Obviously, if we work together, we can help you a ton, but even if we don't work together like that, training in the book is going to be a great first step. So I'd say if you're serious about this, or if you're even thinking about it, take the first step, selfpublishing.com forward slash DNA, register for the training.
We'll see you there. Right on.
All right, y'all. If this was helpful, or if you think someone that's not listening to this needs to listen to this or watch this, share this with two of your friends.
I greatly appreciate it. I'll see you on the next episode with another incredible guest.
And I think you guys already know who he is. So see you guys on the next episode.
Peace. All right, my man.
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