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Hope. I need hope.
Hope for my marriage. Hope for my child.
Hope for this sickness. Man, somebody's diagnosed with cancer.
I need hope. Diagnosed with a life-threatening.
I need hope. My wife, I found out she cheated on me.
I need some hope. My husband cheated on me.
I need hope. My child, what, like, so the book really is, my hope is that it provides hope.
And it's real life stories that are absolutely insane and hard to believe because they're not normal. I mean, they are miraculous.
What is up, my entrepreneur DNA family? I am here with a very, very special guest. His name is Travis Hearn.
He goes by Pastor Trav. He runs an organization with tens of thousands of individuals.
He is the key consigliere, if you will, to the athletes and the nine-figure entrepreneurs, the 10-figure entrepreneurs. This man is dynamic at every sense of the word.
Pastor Trav, what's up, bro? Hey, man, that's a great intro. Thank you for having me today.
Well, you're a great human, so let's get into it. Listen, you are the go-to guy for a lot of athletes.
I mean, the names you can drop and the teams that you can drop and what you've been able to accomplish at this phase of your life is incredible, but I know it wasn't always that way. Let's just get everyone to the point of you've been able to build something.
You have an organization, Impact Church, there in Scottsdale, Arizona. Very familiar.
Our close friend Cody Sperber goes there. But I want to know about how you've been able to build this entire, what I would almost call like an empire, right? You are the go-to coach for entrepreneurs.
You are the go-to coach for athletes. And then you make a massive impact on tens of thousands of individuals as a pastor.
But let's start at the beginning. How did it all start for you? Yeah, I think it's a great question to start with because I'm probably the black sheep of church and pastors.
I'm not, I didn't grow up in church. I grew up around church and, you know, kind of like I always say surrounded, but not really surrendered.
You know, my, my life was, um, broken families, broken home. Uh, you know, my, my mother, uh, never had a father raised in Southern California.
And then, you know, then her mother was raped and murdered when my mom was 13 years old. Then three years later that that moved my mother to Arizona to live with her only, her grandmother, her only family member.
Three years later, she's 16. She has me.
So that's the start of me. Like it's rough before it's rough.
Right. And so for me, I grew up like with drug addicts and alcoholism and I didn't grow up in church.
Yeah. And so the end of my senior year in high school, um, you know, I, I, I all through high school partied and drank and smoked and basically tried to smoke whatever you could smoke.
I smoke, I smoke a banana pill, I think one time just to see if something would happen, you know, like that, that's, that's, that's my history. That's who I am.
And, and I got, I got a DUI. Um, I was beyond drunk, um, got put in jail.
Okay. And the same night I say it like this, like I went from, I went from jail to Jesus, you know? And so I, to answer the question, I never really thought about pastoring a church.
Um, I was an athlete, I played basketball, football, baseball, quarterback, point guard, catcher, like kind of the leader of all the sports and, uh, excelled in sports as a, as a child and man i just i needed something man i was that guy it looked like you got it together on the outside sure like look at this dude man he's you know all state this and that and blah blah blah and it was like inside i'm like dude i'm broken sure and i think the nature of the story i mean i end up on the front page you know her and arrested, Hearn arrested for DUI. Like that's, that's who I am.
Yeah. And so, so I, I just found something, man.
I felt like I found something that, that, that meant so much to me for me, it was God. And, and, and I just said, man, I want to give this to the world.
And so that, that story, Hey, you, you, you became a Christian. You're not, weren't a Christian.
Like, like DU, you know, you got arrested, jailed to Jesus? And then everybody would be like, hey, will you come share your story at youth group, at schools, at churches, at camps, whatever. You gave me shivers thinking about how your mom's mom and then your mom, having you at 16, you just go, I have a story.
It's nothing like, not as dark as that is, frankly, right?

Everyone has a story.

But, you know, one thing you said

that actually triggers this next coming question,

which is, do you see with all the counseling that you do

for the high figure earners in entrepreneurship

to the top tier professional sports,

whether it's football and baseball

and everyone that you counsel,

do you see to some extent

some of the highest level performers have some level of a story underneath it no question i mean absolutely no question yeah and i think for me so i started i started working with pro athletes 23 years ago yeah from the nfl to mlb to nba still do um our church started as a bible study for the arizona card That was the beginning in a house, like a few athletes, and then eventually opened it up to the public. Our Bible study was called Impact Pro Athletes and eventually opened it to the world and it's Impact Church.
But yeah, I mean, you know, I'll say this, 23 years ago when I started, I probably like anybody else, I'm starstruck. 23 years ago i'm walking down the hallway of the phoenix suns arena you know we were playing the lakers and i'm like dude that's kobe that's shack like those are some big names yeah and shack's a big dude you know and such a good dude but at it and then within man maybe the way it works works in the NBA is we have chapel before every game.

So both teams are invited.

So one hour.

Yeah.

So say your son's like your son's Golden State, whatever.

So the teams come together.

There's a room.

Every team does it.

Every league does it.

The NFL does it.

NBA does it.

MLB does it.

Which, how about that?

That's interesting.

Because we think of NBA and MLB and NFL as like athletes.

WNBA athletes.

And they are.

That's a business.

Oh, it's all a business oh it's a business church is a business and church is a business no doubt i mean there there's a there's a stewardship of money and finances and growth things that you have to employment you have to pay people and you have to make money to pay a course i mean you can't have the growth that you guys had without revenue right i mean it just doesn't work no doubt no doubt and and being smart about it and being you know um but but going back to your question you know for me uh the starstruck went away in a hurry because one day after chapel this well-known athlete you know he stayed around he was he started to cry i mean bro we're gonna play basketball in 45 minutes it's almost game time and he he you know big seven footer he's crying and he's like bro i need help yeah and i'm like what's going on he's like hey man uh man i i'm married i got killies i got another woman pregnant while i was on the road and like i'm like he's like can you help and i'm like he said he said this i don't know what to do and i'm thinking i know what you shouldn't have done you already did he shouldn't have done have done her. Yeah, that's right.
But you know, that's the thing is like, whether it's celebrities, whether it's big earners, whatever, they're people, man. And you cut somebody, they bleed.
They hurt. Mistakes.
They make, we all do. We all make mistakes.
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But I feel like I've found some answers in life, and so try to give them away. That's right.
Well, speaking of giving away, let's get to what I'm excited about. You have a book coming out, dude.
This is going to be fire, pun intended. Let's talk about the book.
Right. Well, the book is titled The Fire is is for you and it really comes from um i wasn't going to write a book but i went through hell and back and so two years ago um november 14th of 2022 this is the crazy craziest story um i'm in great health this is two years ago i i i um i had a stroke i had a brain anm, a brain bleed.
And to give you the background, our church had just, we started getting into the music space. So impact worship, impact music, and releasing songs.
And the first song we ever released to the world, it was called He Is the Miracle. That was on Friday, November 11th of 22.
It's called He is the Miracle. This is crazy.
I mean, this is crazy, crazy, next level crazy is we released this song. We've never done it before.
First song we wrote, recorded, produced, goes on to all music platforms, right? So on Sunday, to theme with that, I preached a sermon titled He is the Miracle. And I opened my remarks with, hey, I believe God still does modern day miracles.
He's still the God of the Bible. And on Sunday, on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, our song started to chart on the iTunes charts, which is crazy.
We didn't expect that. And we've never done this before, right? So it charts and it gets into the top 100 and then it gets into the top 75 50 you know 10 dude it went all the way to number one so on sunday it went all the way to number one so we screenshot it having i mean we win a grammy or like a you know but like that was pretty cool man like first time we ever did something um and then monday i needed the very miracle that i just preached about and that we sang about.
And so I was, um, we, we stopped by the church. Um, man, I don't know if you're ready for this.
Cause this is, this is wild. This, this story getting shivers.
Like when I tell people, there's people that you meet that give you that feeling, right? Whether it's you're dating somewhere, whatever the case, but like right now, pastor Trav, like I've known him all of 30 minutes.

Yeah, bro. He's already given like, this is the real dude.
If you don't know, get his book when this drops. Cause I'm getting shivers already from all this stuff that's going on.
Go ahead. Yeah.
This, this is crazy. I take no credit.
This is just, this is whether you believe in God or don't believe in God. I'm not here to talk about that other than I do.
And I believe this was a God thing. So, so we, we go from, you know, we, we, we pick up my daughter, my wife and I at school at three, at 3 PM from school, we go to the church office and church, it's a big place.
We're in my office and, um, me and my daughter Jazzy, she's 12 at the time. We're going to go to, to, to the grocery store to Target actually.
And Natalie's stay, my wife, and do some work. And I had a handful of grapes.
And I started dropping, like, a grape every now and then. And I'm like, that's weird.
I'm dropping grapes. But that morning, we did cold plunges.
And I just thought something, yeah, residual from that. I'm like, that's weird.
And so, dude, I'm having a stroke. I have no idea.
We We drive to Target and I text my wife when we get there. And I said, hey, I've dropped like five grapes.
That's weird. She calls me, dude, in an absolute panic.
Travis, please stay in your car. I'm coming to get you.
I'm coming to get you. And I'm like, babe, I'm dropping grapes.
Like, I'm good. My head didn't hurt.
My vision was good. My face wasn't droopy, my speech.
And she goes, read back what you sent me. Cause I said, I'm dropping grapes.
Read. She goes, read back what you sent me.
And it was more like I'm draping grobs, but I didn't know that.

Right. So I'm, I'm re I'm reading back and she's like, I'm coming to get you.
So she comes and

picks me up. She takes me to the house and she's begging me to call 9-1-1.
And I'm like, babe,

Thank you. So she comes and picks me up.
She takes me to the house and she's begging me to call 911. And I'm like, babe, like we're men.
Like I'm not calling 911. Like I'm not.
I don't need a doctor. Like I dropped some grapes, man, you know? Yeah.
And then I dropped my cell phone a few times. And so she's in a panic.
I said, babe, I must sleep for an hour. That's it.
And if I still feel weird, maybe I'll go. Yeah.
She's like, please don't go to bed. Please, please, please.
I laid down, man, for five minutes and I'm like, nah, nah, something's not, something's definitely not right. Yeah.
So right at that same time, she came in and she's like, please, I said, okay, let's, let's call. Bro, we called 911.
I'm not thinking stroke. This isn't in my head at all.
Natalie goes around the hallway and she goes i think my husband's having a stroke and then i'm like yo what like in my head i'm like this woman she's she's she's crazy yeah like so the paramedics go well if if you think that lay him down on his back when i tell you they arrived at my house in three minutes they arrived at my my house in three minutes. Which is great to hear, right? Three minutes.

That's awesome. Three minutes.

Yeah.

So I got four paramedics.

I'm laying on my back, and I checked out.

They do a stroke test.

They, you know, they do every time.

They have an actual stroke test.

They did a stroke test.

I passed.

Everything's fine.

Natalie's still begging me to go.

Now she's begging them, please tell him to go.

So I'm laying on my back, and I looked up at one of the firefighters his name was ryan and i go bro what do you think i should do and he goes pastor as a member of your congregation i think you should go bro i had no idea who this guy was never seen him in my life yeah he got the call he didn't know he was coming into his pastor's house. He didn't know until he saw me.
He walked in, saw the beard, and I had a Phoenix Suns hoodie on. And he was like, whoa, that's my path.
We'd never even met before. And so I'm getting stretchered.
I said, okay, let's go. I get stretchered out.
I wave to Natalie and Jazzy. And I go, it's okay.
I'll be right back. Dad's going to get checked out.
The hospital's four minute drive. Okay.
They do a brain scan and my brain's bleeding badly, like aggressively. And they call my wife and then they had to helicopter me to a different level one trauma center.
Yeah. Cause they don't have it.
They specialize in neurology and hemorrhagic strokes. And the thing about mine is, so it would, your brain can, you know, it could bleed from anywhere, right? And certain things affect, if it bleeds here, it might affect your speech.
If it bleeds here, it might affect your memory or whatever. Mine was in the brainstem.
So it affect everything. They said, it's the worst, it's the worst stroke you could have.
It's the worst imaginable that you, when I went from, guys, I'll be okay. I'm going to go get checked to load it onto the ambulance.
I don't remember anything. Nothing.
I don't remember the ambulance ride over, the scan. I mean, I remember, like, you know, like.
That's probably the power of being a dad, though. Yeah.
You won't let yourself go until finally you get in the ambulance and you can surrender. And then your body shuts down.
I mean, it happens. So my example would be my mom.
He literally stayed alive until I could say goodbye. Yeah.
Right? Bro. But that's the power of what a body can do.
Yeah, man. So you probably finally surrendered and then you blacked out or whatever you may have done.
Yeah. Yeah.
um i lost my speech i lost my memory i lost my cognition i lost my motor skills i'm hospitalized and laid up in a hospital bed and um you know they they come the way they do a stroke test the way they manage your progress or not is they they come in every hour on the hour and they do this series of tests and hey what's your name what's your date of birth what year is it what day is it who's your wife who's your kids it's that over and over touch your nose and i mean i'm like gibberish yeah and i'm you know trying to touch my nose and i can't and lift your leg and i can't lift my leg and um and um, and while I was hospitalized, I don't know,

second day, maybe third day, uh, the, the doctor told my wife, Hey, um, we want to prepare you

because the effects of this particular stroke, they're irreversible. So they're telling her

this, this is, this is your husband. This is your new husband.
Yeah. Like he's a vegetable,

right? And so my wife is a woman of faith and, and she's not going to buy that. We love doctors and believe in doctors and science and medicine, but she went straight to the Bible.
She didn't know what she was looking for, but she needed something to hold on to her. She went to this verse in the book of Acts 3.16.
I'm just going to summarize it because I don't actually know it by heart. It was like, by faith, this man whom you see is completely healed in Jesus name.
So she just grabbed that. Of course.
I mean, like, it's the first thing you see after the doctor says this. Like, that's like, okay, man, I'm holding on to this.
And dude, the miracle of the story is, the miracle is because we, you know, he is the miracle. What we've been singing about, preaching about, teaching about, believing about is that God began to rapidly heal me.
Rapidly, so rapid that it went from the effects are irreversible to I got out on Friday. So I was hospitalized Monday.
I got out Friday evening. Wow.
And so, yeah, so man, yeah, so man, I then went into rehab.

I mean, it's also, it's a combination of like, I believe divinity, but also like putting the work

in. So rehab and therapy, I was doing six therapy sessions, six days a week.
I mean, all day. It was

a full-time job. I'm not, you know, leading my church, preaching at my church.
I've got other

people coming in and doing it and managing it and holding it down and And um, and man, it changed my life. And so I wrote a book.
There's an entire book about it The fire is for you and I think that's a great title because one of the chapters is called the fire is for you, right? But if you think about we all go through fires in life, man You sometimes it might be in business. Like, man, it feels like we're putting out fires all the time.
Employment issues, putting out fires all the time. Yeah.
You know, all those different fires in life, your marriage, your girlfriend, your boyfriend, your child. Like, there's just like life is full of fires, man.
Totally. Fires.
And the Bible uses three metaphors for trial. Okay.
And it uses storms. I'm going through a storm and like life is raining down on me.
It uses valleys. That's a famous one, like Psalm 23.
Yeah. And we walked through the valley of the shadow of death.
Right. And that's like the low place, the low places in life.
And then the fire, you know, is another metaphor. And the fires are like, man, dude, man dude there's this pressure i'm gonna get burned up man like i'm gonna be left into ashes and yeah and i think so many times in life we we we try to curse the fire right and and so the idea is that like with god there are never any wildfires only controlled fires and certain scriptures talk about know, and I know a lot of your listeners, they might even be in the God or it doesn't matter because it still relates.
We can still feel this. This has fire, bro.
Like certain, you know, the Bible talks about how the fire is there to purify you, right? It's there to refine you. refine you.
Yeah. And so the, the fire is for you and, and, and trials, um, and, and I'll end this little story with this, this part of the story is, um, when, when it was Wednesday, I was hospitalized, you know, Monday when it was Wednesday, they're doing that test on me.
You know, what's your, you know, what day is it? What's your name? You know, I can't talk. Right.
And then they said, what's your children's names day is it what's your name you know i can't talk right and then they said what's your children's names you knew them no no i said 40 i have three kids kylie josiah and jazelyn after i said 40 and then i knew bro something i knew it was like it's like right before blackout drunk that's what it feel that's what it felt like like you're like you're about to be blacked out but you can still wish i didn't know that feeling me too i'd be lying me too yeah me too i'd be lying as well and um but it's right it's like you can kind of and like i knew this isn't good this isn't good this isn't good i looked at my wife after i said 40 i looked at her she's standing by my hospital bed and i said and i and I was crying. And I said, count it all joy.
Plain as day. Count it all joy.
And the doctor goes, what did he just say? And Natalie said, he said, count it all joy, which is a Bible verse from the book of James chapter one that says, count it all joy when you fall into various trials. Knowing that your faith and your perseverance, it's tested, but it's making you mature and complete.
Like the fire is for you. That's incredible.
Dude, I can't remember what day. I can't remember my own name, my kids' names, Natalie's names.
I don't know. I don't know anything, but something deep down inside, I was able to like pull out a part of a scripture in context of what was happening.
Count it all joy. So chapter one's count it all joy.
That was almost a book title, but it ended up being the first. It's still been a good book title, but I would tell you, this is super relatable, everyone.
This is a lot of entrepreneurs listening to this, but everything you're talking about is relatable, whether it's a medical actual situation, but even if you brought it over to business,

there's no business in this planet that is puppy dogs and rainbows and everyone prints money and

they shit gold all the time. It doesn't happen.
Right. Right.
Right. And so if you're out there

listening to this or watching this, I want you to be very clear. We're here talking about this man's

life's work, but it's relatable to you because of what you're saying. There will be fire.
There will be storm. There will be valleys.
Yes. And it is the people that persist through that.
Yes. Just like you did with your medical scenario that actually come out on top over time.
Yes. Myself, I know our friend Sperber talks about this all the time.
The longevity is because we keep going in spite of the failures. Yes.
Same idea. Yes.
Whether it's medical, whether it it's a husband and wife whether it's it's great there's fucking fire yes and and it's hot and you get to make a choice yes yeah but it is a genuine choice you get to look in the mirror and say am i gonna fight the fight or do i give up and passively live the rest of my life right and it's worth and it's worth the fight every time out outlive the fire outlive the trial outlive the problem outlive the critic yeah outlive the naysay like keep i love that keep freaking going every time yeah and and this is you know there's so many angles you and i could go in at right yeah um but i think what is really important for the people to know is the word of what you're able to give to so many people, not just within your church, but think about the impact you're making with all the athletes. Yeah.
The high level entrepreneurs that you make such a massive impact on, right? I mean, you are a highly sought after individual in a general sense. But one thing I want to get your take on, I'm a firm believer.
I just had the blessing to speak at Clever Summit. And because of the timing, what I was going to talk about did not happen.
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Terms and conditions apply. But what I was going to talk about is the power of people.
Talk about the power of people in your life, because I firmly believe you will be richer emotionally, psychologically, financially, and go bigger, higher, and better. If you understand the power of the people that you're surrounded by who you can network with.
Yeah. Talk a little bit about that.
Great. Okay.
So think about this. The book of Proverbs is 31 chapters.
Okay. Proverbs is it's called a wisdom book.
One of the wisdom books, 31 chapters

written by King Solomon. King Solomon is considered the wisest person who's ever lived.
Okay.

So in Proverbs, it talks about 16 types of friends associations that you should not be around. Now,

church people are like, I thought you're supposed to love everybody and be, you are. But, but think

about it like this for, for every one of us, we have two types of friends, two types of business

Thank you. Now, church people are like, I thought you're supposed to love everybody.
And you are. But think about it like this.
For every one of us, we have two types of friends, two types of business colleagues, two types of business partners or whatever associations. OK, one type is that there's casual friends and there's close friends.
There's casual business connections and there's close ones. Right.
So the casual ones are a result of circumstance. You're on my football team.
You're on my sports team. I go like gym bros.
Gym bro. You happen to work out at the same gym that I do.
So like you're a casual friend. Casual friends are a result of circumstance.
Okay. And then we all have close friends and close friends are a result of choice so proverbs talks about 16 types of friends to not be close friends with lazy people that's what it said i mean one of the one of the lazy people you know uh because who gravitates to lazy people like i don't want to belabor the point but like you will not see you and by the way your pastor so respectful like no you won't see me with lazy people you won't see sperber with lazy people like yeah just said we don't like we don't know what to say people getting after it lighting the world on fire like-minded and you want people if you can that can pull you up not that where you're pulling everybody else up if you can get a seat at the table if you can get a seat at the table whatever table that even even if you can, that can pull you up, not that where you're pulling everybody else up.
If you can get a seat at the table, if you can get a seat at the table, whatever table, even if you got to buy the seat at the table for a while, dude, buy it. Get in the room.
I cut a check every year. Every year to be at tables that are way larger than I could ever get just shaking hands.
On your own, no doubt, no doubt. And there's value in that.
And I think there's so much that you're talking about people, right? And the power of people, man, people, people can make you or break you. They can pull you up.
They can pull you down. They can make you better.
They can make you worse. They can make you lazy or they can make you work hard.
People are contagious. And so, and not only about the people that were around, but, but the person that you are, like, who are you? Yeah.
Like you, you become the person that you want to be around. And then the people you want to be around, they want to appear.
They want to be around you. That's right.
Exactly. Dude, this has been, I mean, just because we have a short amount of time, I want to get to the meat and potatoes.
Yeah. This book is going to change hundreds of thousands of people's lives, if not millions.
Yeah. Less it, the fastest we can describe really the entirety of this book as best you probably can.
So one thing I've noticed about humanity in life, it doesn't matter if you make a lot, make a little, if you have a business or you don't have a business or you have 50 businesses, whether you're a high school athlete or a pro athlete, whether you're a pro athlete or you're, you know, a hall of famer, um, is that, is that life is hard. Life is hard, man.
Life is really, really hard. And it keeps coming at you.
Keeps coming. It never stops throwing blows.
And, uh, I was interviewed by the LA Tribune about the book a few weeks back. And they said, uh, if there's one would want people to get out of this book what would it be and I said hope I love that because if you don't have hope man you don't have anything hope I need hope hope for my marriage hope for my child hope for this sickness man somebody's diagnosed with cancer I need I need hope diagnosed with the life-threatening I need hope my wife I found out she cheated on me i need some hope my husband cheated i need hope my child what like so the the book really is my my hope is that it provides hope that's right and it's real life stories that are absolutely insane and hard to believe because they're not normal i mean they are they are miraculous so the book is really chopped up you're not normal dude yeah and i say that in the very best way think about your childhood think about how you're raised think about what you've overcome think about you are the go-to guy for how many athletes you're the go-to guy for tens of thousands of people in the phoenix area i guess you're not normal yeah yeah to the best of the degree yeah right man Right, man.
I'm I'm I'm privileged and I'm I'm you know, I'm fortunate. I'm blessed.
I take it serious. I try to honor God and honor people as the best I can.
But, you know, the reality is, is that I'm trying to do my part in a really big world. And hopefully hopefully this book, The Fire Is For You.
we're really making an impact on people's lives because that's the whole point.

And it's going to be everywhere, right?

Anywhere that they can get.

It'll be there, obviously.

But everywhere else, Fire Is For You coming out November.

Yeah, the pre-sale drops November 17th.

Let's go.

And that's the big date.

It'll be on Amazon, Barnes, and it'll be everywhere.

It'll be everywhere.

You can buy a book.

It'll be there.

I love that.

Everyone, this is Travis Hearn, Pastor Trav, and now a good friend of mine.

Make sure you follow him. Make sure you grab that book and make sure you stay tuned to everything he

does on social media because he makes a massive impact. Pun intended.
Pun intended. That was a

good one. All right, y'all.
That is the end of the entrepreneur DNA. Stay tuned for the next episode.

And if you like this just a little bit and you like Travis Hearn, make sure you share it with two people. Peace.
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