Trump’s DC National Guard Stunt, Netroots Nation Recap & Social Media Censorship Exposed

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find Out podcast.

We're going to start off with an apology.

We did not drop an episode on Thursday because Luke, Zach, and I were at Netroots Nation in New Orleans, meeting with a bunch of progressive activists and you know, had a really, really important meetings and discussions.

And I think we got a lot of big plans.

And part of the reason that Zach's not here is that he's working on a top secret project that we'll be able to talk about in a few weeks.

And Chris is actually off with his family for some well-deserved time off.

So you're going to have to just deal with me, Rich, and Luke this week.

But just to kick off, Luke, this was your first conference ever attending a political conference before.

Just curious what you thought.

It was an experience.

Like, I had never been in a spot that had so many straight-up, like-minded individuals.

I mean, I don't think I could have said something that they disagree with, that someone in there disagreed with.

Everybody in there is like fighting for their own individual thing, and it's like all stuff that really, really matters.

It's pretty fucking cool.

But wait, I was told that the left is hyper-focused on canceling everybody, and you have to be really careful with what you say, and that you're not allowed to have any opinions about anything.

It's crazy if you just don't say fucking slurs and hatred.

Nobody's got a problem with you.

Crazy.

I know.

I mean, like, for us, those are deeply held beliefs, Luke.

Deeply held beliefs.

You know,

we had some, you know, when we started White Dudes for Harris, we had some reservations about the community because, you know, obviously for good reasons.

And it's been really great to see everybody, the progressive community has sort of welcomed us with open arms.

And, you know, even at the conference, I mean, Luke, you had several people come up to you who...

treated you like

my name is actually Shane.

Yes, some guy came up to me and said I was Shane and I was like, okay, sure.

Didn't quite nail it, but it was good.

He stopped the landing.

We took a picture.

Yeah, yeah.

We had some really good conversations.

We talked with Minnesota Attorney General Keith Ellison, who was great.

We talked to

Representative Justin Pearson from Memphis, who was one of the two

members of the legislature that got kicked out.

for basically protesting for stronger gun laws.

It was great to talk to him.

So it was really a good shot in the R of Energy.

And I think for those of you wondering, like, is anyone coming to save us?

There are a lot of people who are working on this.

We say we, but really, Mr.

Interview Extraordinaire here was the one that was yapping with all these people.

It was pretty insane.

Tim was like, wham, he was in there, you know, real good work.

I mean, he's our beltway insider, you know, so this is like

he gets there.

Give like a super secret handshake or some shit.

You know, when you do this long enough, sometimes some of it gets a little easier.

I think they

just tap their feet under the edge of the stall when they're in the bathroom of the conferences, and that's how it gets.

Everybody knows

any Republican senators at this, like you might have been referring to.

They don't even go to their own fucking town halls.

They're not going to come to something like this.

That's true.

That's true.

But it was fun to be in New Orleans.

Great community.

Great progressive community.

I think a lot of people are gearing up for a big fight next year.

So stay tuned on that.

But let's talk about some more pressing matters.

Trump, in his

ever-longing desire to get rid of the Jeffrey Epstein conversation, has created another political stunt today, which is to activate the National Guard, 800

National Guardsmen to put in D.C.

And he's also taken the D.C.

police under federal control because it's a district, and so he can do that.

You know, I have lots of thoughts on this, but I lived in D.C.

for 10 years, but I would love to hear from people who didn't live in D.C.

to hear what you have to think about this first.

It's dumber than fuck.

Yeah,

Rich.

That's good.

I think we can wrap up.

Yeah, I think we're done there.

Pretty sure episode

four minutes.

You know,

I mean, I've heard things about when you live in a red state, like you have to understand

the blue cities are spoken of as if they were like these hellscapes

where there's just if you're white and you go into the wrong neighborhood, like you will be murdered.

You know, like that's, that's the, that's how they talk about it.

And so it's funny because I'm actually wearing a shirt I got in St.

Louis, and St.

Louis has a significantly higher per capita murder rate than Washington, D.C.

And yet I had a delightful time with my family in St.

Louis.

We did a whole bunch of things.

So go up in the arch.

We did not go in the arch.

We took pictures in front of it.

That's the one thing they're known for.

It's pretty expensive.

I know it is.

It's fucking sick.

I'm not rich, Luke.

I mean, I am rich.

You are.

No,

so didn't mean to talk about, you know, tourism in St.

Louis, but while we're on the subject, no, there's like a, they took a shoe factory from like a hundred years ago.

It's the coolest thing ever.

St.

Louis getting some free exposure.

And they converted it into a like playground kids' museum.

A children's museum.

It should not be a children's museum.

That is like a fucking all-ages.

It's insane.

Right.

Right, right.

I thought you meant because like children get chewed up in the gears or whatever, but no,

it is awesome.

We spent an entire day there.

It's like a 500,000 square foot, 400,000, absolutely massive factory, like a, like a six-floor factory the size of a city block.

And the whole thing now is just all kids stuff.

And so you go in, but it's all made with old factory parts.

And so you go in and tunnels and shit.

It's really,

yeah, it's, it's absolutely wild.

So anyway, um, when I hear about DC, like I know people in DC and you can look at, like, you can just trust the stats.

You could, I guarantee, just like in LA earlier this summer, at the worst of the worst of the worst, you could go out and get brunch with your family or go for a jog, you know, probably in the middle of the night.

30-year low.

Statistically, you would be fine.

So, so the

maybe I'm the, maybe I should be doing the get fucked at the end because I'm really, as someone who's lived in D.C.

for a long time, this is really pissing me off because, first of all, as Luke said, the D.C.

crime rate is at a 30-year low.

It's lower than last year's drop.

And actually, across the country, violent crime on average is down.

That's because Trump.

Right, exactly.

Right.

But, you know, as Rich pointed out, you know, Memphis is actually number one.

That's a red state.

And I think St.

Louis is number two.

That's a red state.

I believe eight of the 10 most deadly cities are in red states.

And but the, but overall in this country, the rates have dropped.

I mean, the 80s, it was bad.

Some of the 90s, it was bad.

But, you know, it hasn't been that way.

But, you know, this is, this is Donald Trump's way of getting away from the Jeffrey Epstein list and continuing to vilify both homeless people because he was like, we're moving the homeless people out of the way.

Well, he told them to leave first.

Like, where the hell are they going to?

Who are well known for being flush with cash and being able to make crazy life changes at the drop of a fucking hat?

Right.

And he is suggesting they can't be around the Capitol all this.

First of all, I lived on Capitol Hill.

I lived both on the Northwest side and the Southeast side, which is actually tended to be where more of the crime has been.

And I lived there 20 years ago.

I did not fear for my life.

And if Donald Trump

wants to get rid of homeless people, then Donald Trump should support policies that lift people out of poverty rather than cutting $1.1 trillion of Medicaid, which is going to create a whole lot more homeless people.

He would invest in mental health services, which he has never done.

And instead, he's trying to villainize, really, what he's trying to do is villainize homeless people and people of color.

Right.

Because he's trying.

What?

Sorry.

I was on my ramp.

No, you're going.

I was going going to say, why are you puking all this Marxist, socialist, communist stuff on us?

Like,

this is un-American, how you're describing.

You found me.

Nasty woke.

You have found me out as the secret Marxist.

Nasty woke.

Yeah, I just want everybody to burn.

But seriously, though,

if you live in D.C., I don't care what neighborhood you live in.

The cops are everywhere.

This is not a like, there are not enough police.

Also, the other thing that I love about this is that Donald Trump told us that he was not allowed to call up the National Guard in Washington, D.C.

on January 6th, which was the most violent day in D.C.

in probably 30 years, if not ever.

And so,

you know, the suggestion that these 800 who can't make any arrests, by the way, they're doing what they're going to do in LA, which is probably sit on the floor of a gym.

Well, they're not doing anything.

Real quick, real quick.

Did you guys hear about the rogue shitters in LA?

What?

There was

several people,

National Guardsmen, who were taking shits in Hunbe's as a sign of like protest of being out there.

There's a squad of phantom shitters of the National Guardsmen.

And I hope, I hope somebody picks it up in fucking DC.

If I ever need to come up with like a grunge punk band name,

Phantom Shitters.

Phantom Shitters is top of the list.

Write the music later.

You always name the band first.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yes.

They'll just sit out there and they're going to sit on fucking concrete and they're going to play video games when they're not on duty.

That's what it's going to be against.

And how much?

I know that the LA,

they called up like 5,000 and it costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $150 million,

I believe.

So, you know, it's not going to be the same, but even if it's 20% of $150 million, you know, this is the administration that told us that we can't afford Medicaid anymore and we can't afford food assistance, but we can build a $200 million ballroom off of the White House.

He donated his salary, Tim.

He donated it.

don't even be mad about that.

Yeah.

And how much did he charge in golf cart fees

last time?

It was like $100 million or something like that.

But, anyways, like, it's just nonsense.

He wants to get away from Jeffrey Epstein.

It's not working.

And actually, I saw a poll this weekend, which was like, actually, showed the first time I have seen basically agreement from both Democrats and Republicans, over 85% of both want the Epstein files released.

And instead, what he did is try to get this jant, this grand jury testimony released, which the judge shut down today.

But like a lot of magas are saying, see, Democrats are doing it too.

But like, no,

he didn't allow it because he knew it was a smoke and mirrors and there's nothing in there for you to see in the grand jury testimony.

You just need to release the files.

Why won't you release the files?

And he's willing to get to the specialty.

They're not expensive.

And he's willing to spend tens of millions of dollars to call up National Guardsmen who have other jobs, by the way.

you know to do this nonsense it's just i mean it's just well if you saw the last couple of jobs reports the those people probably don't actually have jobs so now

so he's he's really like he's really like distracting with this hand and then protecting himself with this hand with this whole 14 year old adult bullshit that's what

why don't you talk about that for a second what what is that for he's so convinced that there's these gangs of teenagers in the u.s that are you know violent and they're they're killing everybody so he's going to start he wants to start charging 14 year olds and up as adults, but not just with violent crimes, that he wants them to be 14, he wants 14-year-olds to be adults in related to sex crimes as well, which is definitely a look for a guy who's trying to

keep himself safe.

Yes.

I mean, I mean,

there's so many reasons why charging 14-year-olds as adults for any crime is a horrible idea.

If you want to create a whole

generation of people who then have real hard time, uh, you know, living path getting past those mistakes as a 14-year-old, like, I don't want to be held accountable for what I did at 14.

And let's be honest, he wants this to mostly go after brown and black teenagers as well.

He doesn't give a shit about anybody else, he just wants to punish people and make his base feel like they're being taken care of because he's taking care of quote unquote the bad people.

I mean, and this all came because

let's all remember who was attacked.

The only whole reason he's doing all of that, I mean, there's the distractions, but Big Balls, 19-year-old,

19-year-old fascist named Big Balls, who worked for Doge and is now like working for, he has some job and like he's a federal employee.

He's a 19-year-old troll and he's just getting paid by the Fed by taxpayers, by the way.

Everybody's like, oh, well, it has nothing to do with that.

And then you go look at like Utah, where they just saved that fucker as where they expanded the Romeo and Juliet law.

So there wasn't fucking,

explain what.

Oh, shit.

I always do this.

There was a guy that was of some relation to a...

What, what is which

he was in the legislature

it was not the governor it was no no no no it wasn't the governor but like

one of his family members got in trouble for being involved with someone that was not of legal age and lo and behold they they edited it every so that you know when you're 19 and you're with I think it was a 14 15 year old maybe 13 it might have been 13.

So that that's not bad as bad.

It's still at

I forget what the crime that he's being charged with is.

Might be sexual misconduct, but it's not a felony, right?

It's not a felony, right?

Yeah.

Well, I mean, you're hearing the

hypocrisy on the right about this stuff, right?

Like, it's like when their buddies,

right?

Yes, you hear this whole like save the children thing, and yet, like, you know, Trump has been credibly accused of sexual assault by two dozen women.

This person's like nephew or cousin or something.

I'm pretty sure it's nephew was charged with rape.

well yeah i think it was rape and they changed the laws to lower the age of consent into the lower teen ages which is about as disgusting as it comes and actually luke it reminds me of something that you've told us what is the thing that you what is the law that you would want to propose and the reactions you would get yeah raise the age of consent by one year you can also extend the romeo and juliet law so that like because right now if you're like an 18 year old and you're a 16 year old it's fine so then if you're a 19 year old well you're 17 years fine but anybody who protests it who's above the age of 35 dropkick them into the fucking sun because the only reason they could possibly want to raise the age of consent is because they want to be with someone as young as legally possible.

And as a result, fuck them, get rid of them.

Well, I'll sign that.

Did we get our good fucked episode segment already?

I think we did.

I mean, it's just like it, there's, it just goes back.

The overarching Republican principle is: do as I say, not as I do.

And that is that is applicable almost across every issue, Right.

And

fucking look at Ryan Walters in Oklahoma.

He's been protesting all the LGBTQ books because they're porn for kids.

And then he gets caught watching porn in his fucking office by his aides.

They walked in.

There's naked ladies on the TV.

And he's still like,

right.

He's still like, though, I don't know how that happened.

I'm like, well, you have to try pretty hard to get that on.

So anyways, back to DC.

You know, I just, it's just a Spoke of Mirrors thing.

I think the worry, though, is that he is potentially using this as a testing ground to go into other cities.

And I'm going to guess that he's not going to go to Memphis next.

Well, the thing is,

he already tried this with Los Angeles, and it backfired because nobody took his bait.

You know, Karen Bass came out, and they were walking down the street.

Gavin Newsome called this bullshit.

There's no governor of D.C.

to call this bullshit, but

they are shutting him down.

Music festival

in LA.

Well, so people have been noticing that if you say the word protest or you say the word

like anything related to this is what we're doing, every algorithm there is will shut it the fuck down.

So they've been calling the protests that are going on in LA and have been going on in LA for like the last six weeks.

Somebody figured out that if you use the word concert or music festival in relation to that, the algorithm pushes it.

So all of a sudden, I'm getting these videos of like thousands and thousands of people with thousands and thousands of views of them protesting in LA that have been going on for weeks.

And you go back and you look, anyone that says protest, fucking 2,000 views.

But now suddenly these music festival ones have thousands of views.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, we've seen this.

We were even joking this weekend that like, you know, the way to make sure a video goes nowhere is to talk about, what is it?

It was Epstein.

It was.

Epstein, Gaza, vaccines, sex crimes, and ICE.

ICE.

Yep.

You've put those all together.

You can guarantee to have a video that gets nowhere.

But I think that's why it's important for

those of us working on this to create spaces that are not, you know, they're not dominated by an algorithm.

And I think that it's harder to grow them.

This is why we're doing this.

But like you guys are so important to listeners and also you guys.

Yeah, 100% agree.

I think

when I think of like what we're going to talk about on this podcast versus what I can put into a TikTok video,

which is by far the most restrictive and the most finicky or completely inexplicable algorithm.

It all tracks back to profit because TikTok desperately wants to

first not get shut down.

But even if they do get shut down in some sense, TikTok wants to be profitable and they want to be tepid and broadly entertaining.

They want people dancing and talking about health and wellness and gym routines.

They do not want people talking about anything that's real because real shit can be depressing or induce anxiety.

It can make you anxious.

It can make you not want to go buy things.

And

when I look back to the point, when I think about what we can talk about, what we do talk about freely here, it's in part because I hate to use the word like beholden to big money or whatever, but it's that same concept.

We are not funded by anybody except for our listeners.

because of that, we only hold ourselves accountable by what we say to our listeners.

And so we can just say the honest things.

We can say when ICE is arresting people without having to use

the phrase in the video is getting 2,000 views anywhere.

You can't say genocide.

You can't say ICE.

You can't see deportations.

You can't even say the names of people who are being victimized.

TikTok language, vaccines.

Unalive.

You can't say vaccines.

You can't say, yeah, people saying, you know, getting unalived by the jab or whatever, like when they're spreading their conspiracies, like it's, it's such a clown show.

And I hate that.

And the thing is, you can track it directly back to the first time TikTok got banned.

Yeah.

It was so much better before that.

Oh, yeah.

No, we all like, because obviously we all compare how we're doing.

You know, most of these guys are in the hundreds of thousands.

I'm still trying to catch up.

Everybody go follow Tim on TikTok.

We want him to get to 100,000.

There we go.

There we go.

But

yeah, you could, you could,

we all dropped at the same time.

So it was very obvious that like they had made a change.

and i think they made the change because they knew they were going to have to sell the u.s arm and it's looking like one of the potentials is larry ellison of oracle who is a trump supporter and so it you know that'll be great for our business right yeah well it would be great i mean probably if he throttles it even worse it could but you know i think that we need to be prepared for some of these uh social media platforms to not be conducive to free speech as much as they say it.

And that's why creating shows like this that like we have no, the only like Rich, you made a great point.

The only restrictions we have is if our audience tells us they don't like us doing something.

And we do listen, you know, we're not going to like be, you know, we're not going to go based on one or two comments, but like if the community is saying, we want you to talk about this or we don't want you to talk about that, like we have to listen to that.

You know, so it's, it's a lot harder to build a following off of a platform that doesn't have an algorithm, but it's really important because then we, you guys won't lose us.

And that's why, you know, we're always asking, like, yeah, if you could support us with a $6 a month on Substack or you could buy some merch.

It helps us to build this into a much bigger community so that we can really affect change next year than obviously in the presidential as well.

Because we can't rely on social media platforms anymore.

Like those days are gone.

And we used to have a massive advantage on this, but like we are way behind.

But now I, you know, they're all owned by people who are bowing down to Trump.

It's a real problem.

Bad people.

I'll give you guys, sorry, I was checking to make sure my mic, sometimes my mic cuts out.

Tap, tap, tap.

Like the ASMR videos where they're just like tapping my shit the whole time.

Let me give our listeners a really sharp example.

I did a video a couple of days ago about Logan, Ireland.

Logan, Ireland is an absolute badass master sergeant in the Air Force, 15 years.

Logan Ireland is married to a woman named Layla Ireland, and she's retired from the army.

And they are this awesome military power couple, patriots.

They also both happen to be trans.

Logan is a trans man.

Layla is a trans woman.

It's a wild story, but they're amazing people.

And Logan

was in the process of being, or is in the process of being forced out of the military because he's trans

by Pete Hegseth and all of their insane executive orders.

And initially was approved for a 15 or was approved for full retirement at 15 years.

Typically, it's 20 years, but they said anyone who was like 15 to 18 years could apply and then and get full retirement.

And that was just revoked.

And Pete Buttigieg did, he's covered it broadly.

These people were, Logan and Layla were on Ellen in 2017 when this first became a thing in his first term, but then he didn't go through with it.

So

and now Logan is fighting this in court because they denied him full retirement.

So after 15 years of service, he's decorated.

He's been promoted many times.

He's loved.

They care about the vets, though.

His leader, I can't remember what they call it in the military, but the person who's in charge who had to give him that news was crying when

he told Logan that he wasn't going to get military retirement.

So Logan's going to have to find another career now unless he can win in court.

I told someone.

I'm a storage dickhead with fucking bone spurs said, we don't like you.

Yeah, unfit to serve.

They said people with gender dysphoria, which Logan, I don't think has been diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

That's a separate thing.

And it's a controversial sort of bullshit diagnosis.

But they're saying people who are trans are unfit to serve.

And obviously, that's stupid and insane.

He's only been serving for 15 years.

I know, right?

Under Obama, under Trump,

Trump's fucking arms off.

Yes.

Logan is absolutely jacked.

Beard, like

Logan is a man.

Like walking in America, Logan is a man.

There's just nothing.

You don't have to say anything else about it.

But back to the point of how we got here.

I told this story

in a video that was on every platform.

That story is, I believe, over 2 million on, it's at 2.1 million views on Instagram.

Right now, Instagram doesn't pay anybody for any content, so they just ship it.

If it's doing well, they just send it.

It's at about 400,000 on YouTube, and I think it's at like 150, 200,000 on TikTok.

So

that story, even though I have twice as many followers on TikTok as any other platform.

So that's it's a scam.

They, they, because I said the word trans, guaranteed, because I said the word trans in that story, because I'm not going to tiptoe around it.

I'm not going to, not, not going to not say the word

language.

I don't say G-side.

I don't say hot live.

I don't say any of that shit.

If a video is going to go, it's going to go.

Yep.

Right.

I'm not going to play their game.

And, but, so they're suppressing this story that people desperately want to hear.

And this is just one little tiny example, but it's that, it's this case with every single topic that we cover.

Every person, every topic we cover, you have to like, they will just choose that an important story doesn't get out, even though people want the story because it's not conducive to whatever, you know,

for-profit or political

intentions they have for their app.

Well, I think it's pretty obvious that with the TikTok case, because obviously they have to negotiate with Donald Trump because he's the one that holds the keys of whether they're legal or not.

It, you know, it doesn't take a conspiracist to look at that, especially since the data that you showed is very clear.

Like people, that was it, and I saw the video.

It was very good.

It should have traveled further.

Logan's got an amazing story.

I just right.

But like amazing, like, but you, like, the way you, you, you, you crafted that, you've had plenty of videos that have been millions on on TikTok, and it's just interesting to see the points on the other side.

But I think it's just that that's the reality.

And that's why podcasts and, you know, other forms of media are so important because they can't censor us here.

And, you know, they want to, right?

They want to go after us.

And like I said, if Larry Ellison is the buyer for TikTok U.S., like I think left-wing creators are going to just get absolutely pummeled, worse than it already is.

And there will be no way to prove it because everything is behind closed doors.

Free speech is.

You know, when it's, when it's Nazis on Twitter, suddenly free speech is the most important thing in the world and they should impose all of these regulations on private companies so that they can protect Nazis.

But when it's a person celebrating a trans member of the military on any other platform, you know, suppress it and nobody even says shit about it.

Right.

Right.

Also,

let's do with the Republican quote-unquote logic for another minute.

Like most Republicans would also say that Logan should use the women's restroom, right?

Like this big jacked man with a beard.

The whole thing is just so nonsensical and absurd.

But like they, their position is only discrimination.

That's the only thing that matters in this.

They don't care about anything else.

There is a 15-year veteran of the military we're going to say is not qualified to do that job.

I mean, it's completely bullshit.

Suddenly, like no, no, like, no, like negative remarks, constantly promoted.

And also, like, as Luke pointed out, it's pretty rich for a guy who like literally got draft deferments for no good reason just because his dad was rich, and now all of a sudden he's going to dictate who's in the military and who's not.

Also, like,

what, like, it, it just, it's one of those things I just don't know.

I like, why, how could anybody look at somebody like that and be like, they shouldn't be in the military?

Like, it's just like, I mean, I don't want to be in the military.

So, like, I'm fine with anybody who wants to go.

Like, and it's just like this whole like not giving the pension benefits is just an element of cruelty that it just shows that they are just

mean, mean spirited.

Yeah, the cruelty, like that's the Adam Serwer thing, right?

From 2017, 2018.

MAGA, with MAGA, the cruelty is always the point.

It's not a policy.

It's not like lower taxes because clearly like they've been celebrating the $150 billion tax increase we got through tariffs.

It's cruelty.

And they want to blame somebody for their position in life.

And that's really the driver of the whole thing.

So

I forgot the other thing we were going to talk about.

I've been trying to bring it in my head for 10 minutes.

No, you're good.

There's the,

and we can't,

what are we talking about?

27.56.

There's the tariffs on the police or on the chips, but then there was the

other piece.

Oh, the,

I don't know how long we talk about the AI chat bot on true socials.

Oh, actually, this is a good pivot because we were talking about bullshit.

Okay.

Right.

And,

And Musk and

Grok.

Yeah.

They can't hide from the truth.

Right.

So now that we've covered the whole fact that the Republican logic is bullshit, we also have some proof on our side, too, because we've been seeing AI chatbots that several right-wingers have installed on their platforms spewing the truth out, including, I think, Rich, you said you saw it on Truth Social.

Was that right?

What was the question that they asked the AI bot on there?

Well, well they asked them a whole bunch of questions and that's the best part about it is um

they asked if the 2020 election was stolen it said no um they they asked if the if tariffs were boosting the stock market and it said no um it is

for tariffs barack obama is a popular president um said that his uh trump's cryptocurrency investments pose a potential conflict of interest for trump um and they said that the january 6th attack uh called it an insurrection and said that it was violent and linked to, and was directly linked to Trump's baseless claims of widespread election fraud.

And

this is on truth social.

So it's like, it was made it, I think, 24 hours.

And now we'll see, we'll see what happens next.

But, you know, Trump's going to be

upsetting.

It's an interesting one because we've also seen it on X or Twitter or whatever, like Grok has been constantly used to dispel things that Elon Musk says, which is actually quite hilarious.

The people underneath it said you can ask Rock, is this correct?

And then it will give you an answer.

And this is one of the instances where the AI stuff, like, I'm surprised that Republicans, I'm sure they're going to come up with some like regulation to like limit or whatever, but like they can, you know, this is, this is where like we are not on equal sides.

Like AI tools that are, they literally scour the entire internet for information are telling truth social people that the person telling them stuff is bullshit.

I mean, I don't think it's going to matter, but it is nice to see that like they say something.

Yeah, there's something, right?

It's like, at least it's, but it is funny to see it.

But I don't know.

I mean, I would like to think that that would be eye-opening for people, but if you're on truth social, it's probably not going to nope.

Well, I mean, it's just another case of reality having a liberal bias.

And like, there's no way you can get away from it.

And

I think our people,

we keep acting like, well, the, the, like, Trump is going to concoct this

like

world where

Nazis thrive and everything is suppressed and truth is fake and free speech is banned.

And yet every time he tries something, the world swallows it up.

Like the world comes back and just says no.

And

we're seeing it.

We see it constantly saw it in Los Angeles, like back to the protests.

Like he does things to try things because he wants to.

control things and he can't control anything.

Like he quite literally is in control of nothing.

And every time he tries something big,

the world comes back, collapsed back, shuts it down, and then he claims victory and he moves on.

So I'm sure that they'll, you know, he'll have some explanation for this.

They'll get rid of it or they'll turn it into like a fixed answer, like an old school chat bot from 10 years ago that just pipes back like, Donald Trump is king, you know, and like there's only like five programmed answers, but it won't last.

And it's because you, you can't, you can't run from reality.

Like it's going to catch up.

It just takes time.

It does seem like in this term, like his numbers are terrible.

And his numbers, you can kind of see it from LA, to be perfectly honest.

Like when he did that, and most people saw through it as bullshit, right?

Like it was like

there was no incident until you intervened and made it that way.

And I don't think this is going to work either.

I think he is flailing.

And I think that's why he's doing all of these things, right?

Like Epstein is still front and mind of everybody.

And he is just like, I'm going to distract this way.

I'm going to distract that way.

And I think the scariest part, though, is that it, like, people could get hurt.

And I think that that is, you know, a lot of people got hurt.

Like, let's, you know, we haven't even talked about this, but like the CDC shooting the other day, which was born out of misinformation about science and vaccines in particular, that that person said that he got vaccine injured, which the likelihood of that is almost zero.

But he was told that.

And I think that's where like Donald Trump is the most dangerous is that he is feeding people lies about everything.

Our cities are crime-ridden cesspools.

You know, these vaccines, well, he hasn't said it directly, but like, you know, is HHH, HHHHH.

He's willing to let it be adjacent to him, though.

He's not going to say no.

Right.

No.

And he cut.

half a billion dollars of research into mRNA vaccines, which are the ones that were used for the first time ever on the COVID vaccine,

but have have shown, and they worked incredibly well, and they've shown promise in curing cancer and AIDS.

And they just said, no, we're not doing that because we are sending a signal to our base that vaccines are bad.

And we know we don't, we don't believe it in our heads.

I don't think they do, but like, we're going to use this as a political wedge because we don't have much else left.

Sounds about right.

Sorry.

Sorry.

No, I'm a little, I'm a little ranty today.

Stealing my thing.

I know.

I mean, the oxygen could get fucked this week.

Motherfuckers can't seem to realize that, yeah, if you don't want a vaccine, don't fucking get one.

But people that just should have them, you shouldn't be able to take them away.

Yeah.

No, I mean,

something that's happened over the last, I don't know, I mean, really the last 10 years that we've been like micro-dosing on misery to be inoculated from misery, I think.

Some people call it dissociating.

But

you look at how far the left has come

just since Trump took office, and you look at all of these attacks on everything, everywhere, all at once,

you know, you can say,

well, yeah, and

like a movie,

we're watching it happen, but in real life, you know, bad things are happening to people, but we've kind of gotten through some of that.

to where instead of just being paralyzed with fear, like, well, we can't let any any bad thing happen to anybody ever, which would be,

I mean, I guess great, arguably great.

Bad things still do happen and they are still happening because of what he's doing.

And we have to just like that, that's going to be true whether it's acceptable or whether we find it appropriate or whether like it doesn't matter what we call it.

He is doing bad things and he's doing bad things through the CDC, through the military.

Like he's just doing bad things everywhere.

And

we actually have a role in fighting that.

And I think there was a period of time where i mean certainly from like november to january we were all like we knew it was coming but we we still knew biden was president and so it was still a little bit different um it was real dark you know for what january february march i remember when doge was doing all of this and like people were just sending us messages that i don't know how we're going to do this i you know they everybody was paralyzed gavin newsom comes out fighting pritzker comes out fighting the texas democrats come out fighting um

you know the military parade, the Los Angeles protests, like Doge is shut down.

I mean, they just are hiring back people at NWS.

Like, he will never admit defeat, and yet he is getting defeated everywhere, constantly, all of the time.

In the process, bad things are happening.

And so, like, people, people will say, don't be so optimistic.

You know,

bad things are happening.

Yes, bad things are happening.

Odds are the vast majority of us will make it through this one way or the other.

Like, just like COVID 2020,

a lot of people lost their lives, and it was because of Trump and because of a lot of reasons.

And yet, like, we're all here.

The people who are here are here.

The people who lost family members, they've, you know, come through it.

Like, we have to, we have to be tough and we have to be tougher than I think any of us wanted to have to be coming, you know, going through the next four years.

But I think we've got, we've started to get there.

And, and I'm seeing more people who are

not ignoring like the costs and the pain but they are they're pushing through it and they're focusing on the long like yes okay bad things are going to happen but let's stay focused on the bigger picture let's stay focused on the midterms of 2028 and let's start making lists of all of the things that we are going to commit to doing we're going to get these motherfuckers

when the time comes yeah my biggest fear is that we come through this and then we just go okay and we win in 28 and we just go okay that's that business as usual we tried that once It's time.

These fucks have to have consequences.

Well, I think, you know, as we get closer, I think there's, it's going to be a, it's a barometer for folks of whether they'll be successful or not if they are going to hold people accountable who have ruined countless lives.

And

I don't think that anybody who is not willing to do that is going to get support within a Democratic primary.

I just don't see it.

And I think that, you know, we see.

You deserve it.

You deserve it is the thing.

No, and I think that, you know, the candidate that ends up winning is going to have to have some sort of Marshall Plan for the United States, which, for those who don't know, there was this after Europe got completely decimated, tens of millions of people lost their lives.

You know, the U.S.

helped rebuild.

And look at Europe now.

It's in

a relatively great shape.

We're going to need that for the United States because they are destroying a lot of things.

And I don't mean going back to what we had before and restoring what we had before.

I'm talking about a new vision in which government actually works and is nimble and efficient and responsive to people in 2028 and beyond.

And I think somebody who is able to put that together is and also holding people accountable is going to be very successful in the primary.

And I think who are just like, let's just, let's just reverse everything Trump did is not the answer.

No, you've run on promising two things.

You say, we're going to get every one of those pricks that ruined your fucking lives and hurt so many people.

And you say, we're going to fix everything and this is what we're doing to move forward.

We're not doing this fucking, we're going to just fix it and then go back to status quo.

No, I think the harm reduction approach failed.

It got us through 2017 to 2021 because Trump was such an incompetent leader.

He didn't know how to do bad things.

Like he tried, he wanted to do bad things, but he couldn't figure it out.

And he still was surrounding himself with, you know, enough insiders who were like, hey, like, low-key, don't do the bad thing.

Don't do that.

They talked him out of it.

Now he's completely unhinged, but, and, and untethered, but that still doesn't mean he has unlimited power.

Like, we, we still can do things.

And if we, if we, when we take the midterms, I think it'll, I won't be surprised if it's a 30 to 50 seat swing.

Like, that would be like a historically accurate, massive swing.

Um,

they're going to gerrymander five seats in Texas.

Like,

we can do that everywhere.

Like, it's going to be a wash, and it's just going to make people angrier.

And they still have to go win those votes.

Like they're counting on Hispanics staying with Trump in the midterms.

I'm like, dude, you have no idea what kind of buzzsaw you're walking into in the midterm elections.

You look at he's losing independent voters 65, 25, 65, 30 right now.

You don't win anything anywhere when you're losing.

Like he won independent voters, like, or maybe Kamala won him by a point or two, but it was very, very, very close.

And now he's 20, 30 points underwater, 40 points underwater with independent voters.

Like he's not going to get to a better place.

And in fact, it's just going to get worse the more.

The worse it's going to get.

And his young, the polling among young men, he's created.

I mean, I think he won like 60% of young men.

He's down in the 40s now.

I mean,

that was like, oh, I'm going to vote for Trump and then I'm going to buy a big truck.

I'm going to build a really cool gaming computer.

I'm going to live off steak and eggs.

And then they went, oh, shit.

None of that works.

And stuff like 20%

from my students.

That are my age that I've watched

before the election.

It's like, oh, yeah, if you want to, you want to get big in the gym and you want to drive a nice truck and you want to have something to do when you get home from work.

Fuck you.

None of that's going to happen.

You're going to have a real shitty life.

Usually what happens with those people is then they turn 28 and they like, they hurt their ankle.

And then they're like, hey, government, I can't work right now.

And then they go, oh, suddenly I'm not a libertarian anymore.

Yeah.

What they say about libertarians, right?

They're just liberals who haven't read enough books.

It does fall apart when you pull on that thread a little bit.

As soon as you look at it, just a little bit.

And it will.

There was a, I mean, Biden was this ancient insider guy, you know, Kamala was his VP.

Like, there was a very strong, I'm going to stick it to the, to the old people thing.

Like, that's, I mean, that's what young voters always do.

Like, young voters, like, we, we need to very, very badly need to not overread into this, like, the the media trying to say, like, well, Hispanic voters and black voters and young voters are all lost to Trump forever.

I'm like, dude, Trump is not going to be on the ballot again for one.

You think JD Vance on the ballot is going to pull 20% of black men?

Like, come on.

Well, I mean, how many, how many stories do we see of like people in these like red rural communities becoming outraged that somebody that they know is being deported by ICE?

Like these stories are everywhere.

And I think that, you know, I don't think we're going to peel them all off but we only need to peel off a few percentage points of them and there's so many people peel them just make them not vote a lot of them are going to just stay home they're going to go

for a democrat but i don't want that thing and the other thing i like trump but vance can't do it and you know there's nobody else and but they'll just set it out they'll set it out yeah but the first time i mean but i think that i think some of the latino community in particular though i think they will swing because i think they thought that he was i'm just talking about young men there yeah right yeah yeah but the latinos i think and and and black men too because you know i think they're seeing like you know trump's trump's solution to everything is over policing and deporting immigrants and all of these things like that are just like

in local communities when you put a name associated to somebody that's affected by it all of a sudden becomes very real and i think a lot of trump voters live in a world where they don't think i'm not sure that they know these things are real or that they won't affect them so they don't care until it affects them until it affects them that's how it always is selfish and with

it's selfishness with them every goddamn time until it eats their face

so all right we're at about 45 minutes luke we promised a get fucked segment but i feel like you did oh you got another one i've got one okay there's enough to go around i think on most days oh there's always enough this is one i've hit i hit it the other day but tick tock said now we're not going to let that one go It goes out to us very, very horrible, horrible person.

Her name is J.K.

Rowling.

If you missed it, I mean, it happens all the fucking time.

Basically, the only thing she uses her social media for is to attract trans folks.

She has no interest in, you know, promoting love or like she calls herself a feminist, but does she use any of her money to help women?

Fuck no.

The only thing she uses it for is to attack fucking trans people.

And as a result, I fucking hate her.

She is quite possibly one of the worst people on the fucking planet.

But specifically the other day, she made a post where she said that if you have egg, quote, egg producing equipment, faulty or not, you're a woman.

It's a really fucking stupid thing to say for a lot of reasons.

One, you can have egg-producing equipment and have XY chromosomes.

So that doesn't make any sense.

You can have XX chromosomes and not have parts that match.

There's people with XXY chromosomes.

There's a whole fucking deal.

And before you tell me that you don't know anybody like that, if you've ever met a redhead, it's the same fucking probability.

So don't fucking tell me about that.

But also, it's really shitty to people who've gone through hell, that is infertility to suck about faulty equipment you're a nasty fucking person and get fucked jk rowling all right that's my that's my spiel fucking nasty person

horrible person

has has anyone gone from so beloved to so despised in such a fast way i i i've never understood the love because her books

are

nostalgic for people and I recognize the nostalgia, but from an objective point of view, there are a lot of problems.

Calling a black person Kingsley Shacklebolt, whose only job is to blow shit up, is a really, really bad look.

I don't know that.

To put all of the people who handle the money in the wizarding universe are short people with balding and then like hooked noses.

Bad.

Very bad.

The fact that one of the only Asian people in the book is named Cho Chang, bad.

Right.

Right.

It's fucking horrible.

It's horrible.

And like, so from an objective point of view, fucking books are trash.

And if you want to read something better, go read the Scolomance books by Naomi Novik.

10 times better.

And it doesn't have the fucking racism bullshit.

Well.

All right.

Every time I talk about her, I get raged.

She, she's, but like, I don't know.

She's an awful person.

She's an awful, awful person.

And she wants to be cruel, right?

Like, she definitely

likes it.

Well, she talks about the fact.

So there's the new Harry Potter show that's coming out that they're like announcing the castings.

And I see all these people getting really happy for it because they're like, oh, my nostalgia.

But, like, she already promised that her cut of the profits from that show is going directly to doing what her money has been doing, which is influencing anti-trans legislature in Britain, which is fucking horrible.

But imagine that's your issue, right?

Imagine that's your issue that you, you know, you're a billionaire and your goal is, yeah, I'm going to ruin the lives of people who've never hurt me.

Fucking garbage.

Express elevator to hell going down.

yeah

it's really tough because the the millennial generation loves harry potter so like i look at this and it's like oh how can you live like you've got a fucking harry potter tattoo oh

i would want that lasered off immediately expeditiously i i think for most yes i mean i think for i've never read them and i've seen half a movie on a plane so like i i don't know this community very well but i i can say that i remember when those came out there wasn't any inkling that she was no no no no no no and that's the thing right?

That's why there wasn't at all.

I'll never, I'll never get a tattoo about from a book series or a movie series that's still going on until the people are dead and have bed dead like 15 years.

Because it's the same thing with Neil Gaiman.

That dude's a fucking sexual abuser.

And it's like, oh, shit.

I really liked American Gods, though.

I mean, it's really bad.

And like, the thing about him being dead is that when you say you separate the art from artist, at least then the artist isn't profiting off your, off like your support, which is the difference, always the difference.

Yeah.

I mean, I think the moral is that it's just like power, money.

So, not to promote piracy, but if you want to watch that show, sail the high seas for it.

It's pretty easy,

but power and get the books at the library or get the books at the library, exactly.

Power and money that corrupt people, you know, they corrupt people if given enough time.

And I doubt J.K.

Rowling started out with any intent to do the things that she's doing, and yet maybe a trans woman stole her man,

Or trans man stole her woman.

I'm not sure.

But

she found herself with too much time and too much money on her hands.

And not enough creativity.

And

she thought, what am I going to do with all of this power?

It must be because everything I touch is perfect and every opinion I have is correct.

And this is why we need term limits, right?

Do you need personally?

If I can't have a person,

I can promise you I wouldn't start attacking trans people.

Same.

yeah, because you're not a bad person, yeah.

Okay, I think she's been a bad person the whole time, she just didn't have the money to do it.

Oh, I don't think the wealth to suss it out, yeah.

I mean, I think she's like, Oh, shit, and I don't have any, there's no consequence for these bad opinions.

I mean, I think that's right.

I mean, I put her and Rudy Giuliani kind of in the same boat where in 2001, for a brief moment, he was like America's mayor and everyone loved him.

And now he is debarred and like was in like a borrowing borrow movie trying to like remove his pants with someone he thought was like underage or whatever and like all this shit.

So like he's fallen quite far too.

Also, the only person that far enough.

The only person that Joe Biden has ever dragged in real time was Rudy Giuliani, which is still one of my favorite clips from I think it was 2008 to the primaries when he said, All Rudy Giuliani says is a verb, a noun, and 9-11, which is still one of the most devastating take downs.

I haven't heard that one.

Oh, you should go look at it.

It is so good.

It is so good.

Joe Biden was the

he was the master of sick burns in the old days, man.

When he was sharp, he was, oh, yeah.

You did not want to catch an elbow.

That is

a bar.

Yeah.

Oh, it's a great, it's on YouTube.

You can check it out.

I watch it every once in a while because it's like just incredible.

It was a true mic drop moment in the middle of a debate.

And Joe Biden had said very little in the debate, but like when he says, when he said things, they mattered.

And you knew when he was, when he was going to chip in, it was going to be something a little bit sarcastic, a little bit old man, you know, like he had that Scranton, that blue collar tough in him.

And yeah, he, he leveled, I mean, he ended Rudy Giuliani's

primary, like he, he ended his candidacy with that line.

It was him with that.

It was like a month of repeat on every cable news network.

Also, like Biden basically made it okay for everybody else to say the same thing because they were all thinking it.

And so because, I mean, Rudy's always been terrible, but there was that moment where nobody really knew that.

And he took 9-11 away from him.

Yeah.

Yeah.

As his claim of favorite as the, as America's president, he just ripped it out of his hands in

10 words or something.

And then what did he have?

The 90s crime rates were some of the worst in New York City, and he was oversaw all that.

So,

well, anyways, I think we've made it to the end, guys.

We did it.

The three of us.

If we just keep yapping, we find our way.

Yeah.

I will say we did try attempt

an episode while we were in New Orleans, and we all watched it.

Real band.

Real band.

Collaboration of the world.

There was alcohol involved.

And

it did include my first taste of bourbon.

Fucking floor varnish.

Don't want to drink that again.

I'll teach you.

I wasn't there.

I'll teach you how to drink bourbon correctly.

Sucks ass.

I don't want to drink it.

You'll get there.

I promise.

You'll get there.

You'll get there.

But I also, I have trouble sleeping, so I'd also take in my sleep aids on top of the bourbon.

So by the end,

me, I had lost complete control of the

share, and I was just like, 700%.

I were just going off.

Yeah, I swear

to a halt.

Where is this recorded and how do we let paid subscribers get access

paid subscribers are going to want to see that i think like this is that's a that's a that's a true paywall type of conversation require some editing yes um so we will have to uh see but we we had a very hard time getting started every time i did the hey everybody was

editing it's just like

zach and i just started cackling yeah yeah and then at the end i sort of like tried to wrap it up but i was like so out i was like well past my expiration date at that point with the medicine I had in me.

His best buy date was gone.

Oh, I was done.

I was done.

So we'll see.

We'll see if people listen this long and then ask for it afterwards.

Maybe we'll find a way to release it someday.

But the other thing that I think would be much better is if everyone just becomes a paid subscriber just to support the show.

I do like that idea.

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I think we would love to not have everything behind a paywall, but we also have to pay our our bills as well.

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So guys, we made it.

Thank you.

Thank you, everybody, for listening.

We got, I think, three or four Luke get fucked episodes.

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