Trump's war with escalators, Tylenol, Antifa and more

Hey, everybody.

Welcome back to the Find Out podcast.

I had to do a little pause there because somebody was typing.

I don't know who that was.

There is so much news to cover, crazy news, but we have to start with maybe the most disturbing event of foreign policy that we've seen in decades.

And it is the fact that it looks like the United Nations turned off the escalator right before Donald Trump got on it.

And the White House and conservative mega lost their absolute minds yesterday over it.

Do you think we can recover from

such a slight, which, by the way, it wasn't the UN.

It turned out it was one of his idiot advance people who tripped the

stop button, which is important, but didn't stop Caroline Levitt and all of the MAGA influencer world basically screaming like they just started World War III.

It was clearly

treating this like a joke.

Asking Donald Trump to walk up those stairs, that's an assassination attempt.

They were trying.

Someone on his team was trying to

bring the end to his presidency.

I've never treason charges right now.

There's a covert op, huh?

I think it's exactly the opposite.

I think RFK keeps yelling at him about eating all the Big Macs.

I think RFK was under the escalator and he flipped the switch to force Trump to walk up the stairs.

And next, he's going to have to swim in the Potomac.

So it's going to be not early.

He's out there with the bottom.

The laptop fell.

The laptop fell onto the button.

Clacking underneath the escalator.

Yeah.

Well,

we have to joke because everything else is not great.

And it's like his speech yesterday was just bonkers crazy

teleprompter this is this is what they said yeah the teleprompter was broken and the escalator came to a sudden halt as we were riding up to the podium both of these events probably made the speech more interesting than it would have other been this is what trump said than it would have been otherwise so he's he's spending it positively so good for him really picking on his speech gap a lot about how joe biden needed a teleprompter and he didn't need a trump a teleprompter so like

why

did you almost speak coherently i mean he can never speak coherently but why you almost said trump Trump a prompter.

Trump a prompter.

Trump a prompter.

Wow.

Which also was broken because of his team, by the way.

Really?

Yep.

They fucked it up somehow.

I believe that.

I mean, I've run on the bottom of the bottom.

I don't even need any more information.

I already believe that more than I believe any other.

Well, but he only hires the best people, guys, so I don't understand how you're doing.

That's the most man, most qualified.

Stephen Miller with a thumb drive underneath the teleprompter trying to plug it into the USB port.

He's got got it upside down and he's trying it 17 times and he's like fucking anti-fucking.

Did you guys see?

We didn't talk about this, but did you guys see that the

Christy Gnomes number two at DHS is a 28-year-old?

And someone asked her if she really felt she was qualified to be the number two at a, what is it, 60, 70, 80,000 person agency.

And her answer was essentially, well, who's qualified for anything anyways?

And it's like, lots of people.

Lots of people.

It's the kind of question only somebody who doesn't understand how anything works could say.

You're like, I could do that job.

Like, you sit at a computer and you clack, right?

I'm like, oh, man.

Oh, it's bad.

Well, we got a 23-year-old ahead of anti-terrorism, I believe.

So, you know, we're in a good spot.

Well, let's, let's, the biggest story right now,

and we're recording this on Wednesdays, is the fact that Jimmy Kimball came back last night.

It looked like no restrictions.

and I thought gave a

pretty good opening.

You know, he did say like, you know, I'm sorry if my, you know, my words were misconstrued or you thought I was suggesting stuff.

But the stuff on Trump was dead on, which was basically like he was fine with hundreds of Americans losing their jobs because Donald Trump can't take a joke.

And I think both the escalator and the Kimball thing is we just come back to the same point that MAGA are the biggest snowflakes on earth.

Yep.

They just are.

Yep.

They'll go with him on anything, too.

Like, they were the biggest free speech people forever.

And then the second Trump is like, no, no, wait, let's just 180 this shit.

They're like, yeah, 180 that shit.

It's fine.

It's fucking, it's just so painful.

And the most painful part is they don't see it.

Like, they just don't see the hypocrisy in it.

Like, I always mention this one MAGA friend of mine.

It's always the fucking same with them.

Like, it's always like the goalposts just move this much, this much, that much.

Like, it's just fucking pick a side, you know?

Has Elon Musk come out and said, like, we need to legalize comedy?

You know, that was a good expression.

That was good.

That was good.

That was a really good impression.

That was pretty good.

He sounded better than him, but it was like, that's what he aspires to sound like.

Totally, totally.

Just I saw

a headline, the New Yorker magazine, I believe, or the New York Times magazine.

Has anyone heard about Elon Musk's father?

Yes.

Yes.

Shocker.

It's always the ones you most suspect.

Yeah.

Tell the audience what happened.

So there are many

family members, children, who have reported to other family members and to doctors that Elon Musk's father, the man in South Africa, is a child molester.

And that he's been molesting his children and his grandchildren, his stepchildren.

Yeah.

So that is an issue that apparently Elon Musk has been involved in.

It is unclear from what I read if he's like paying for

legal fees or what his involvement is.

But apparently,

I believe it's New York Times magazine.

uh got a hold of like family letters and all sorts of establis uh all sorts of information that establishes that this has been a known problem in the family for like decades.

And,

you know, I think that that,

you know, there's no allegations about Elon Musk being a victim

that I have read, at least, but I think that it creates a realm of possibility that might explain why he is the way he is.

Yeah,

that's 100% in line with what I read too.

And I think,

I mean, to be very clear, it appears that he is trying to help the victims and he, I think, he very much does not like, what's his name?

Errol Musk, I believe is his name.

He doesn't like his dad.

And he's trying to, I think, support the family, but also sever ties with his dad, but he can't because it's all this legal stuff.

So it's unfortunate.

I think the thing that is relevant for me anyway is why is it that, like,

it's just, it's like trauma inflicts trauma and trauma never stops self-replicating.

Yeah.

This guy is,

if he's trying to help his family, he's not helping America.

You know, he's paying forward maybe a little bit of all of it because we're catching a lot of misery from people who I think have been suffering from misery.

And I think Trump is really no different when you look at the, how he treats his kids

and how his, you know, all of the rumors about his dad and the relationship with his dad and his mom and how he treats his wives.

These are not the people that we want

in charge of everything.

Especially when they're not disclosing, they're not being

emotionally honest about where they came from and how it informed their upbringing.

We just have to find out later because some shit gets leaked out to the press.

And then we realize, oh, maybe we should unpack a little bit of this together before we all start.

Hey, well, at the Pentagon, they can't release anything that's not pre-approved.

Yeah, that's true.

Because that makes so much sense.

All this stems to like repression for me.

Like

that's to like anybody with dads like that are abusive in any way, shape, or form, always, especially men, feel sort of forced to repress that shit down.

And that really spiders out into why a lot of Republican men care so much about identifying with the Republican Party because they're doing the same shit.

Like they relate to Trump and Musk because like they're suffering through it just like they are.

And they're like, look at these guys.

They're tough just like me.

I don't have to deal with this.

It's like, can you go to a therapist?

That'd be cool.

Try thoroughly.

I promise you it's not that bad.

I don't know if you guys have heard this yet, but Mud Vaden came out with a song called Hurt People, Hurt People.

And

it's,

you should, if you aren't familiar with it,

I recommend just

going in blind, watch it on YouTube, listen to it on YouTube.

The song is very...

very clear about the message that it's trying to communicate and it says it all in the in the title and yeah republicans i i think would read that as hurt people.

Hurt people.

Democrats.

Right, exactly.

No, it's just a really important command, so we're going to say it twice.

Whereas Democrats are like, oh, I need to talk to my therapist about this song.

It's really fascinating, and that's why we are different.

I mean, it is interesting, though, to go into the masculinity stuff, right?

Because

Elon obviously, like,

I'm sure his childhood was not great.

It was wealthy, but it wasn't great.

And now he, like Rich, you mentioned, like, he has, he basically, he said his son was dead because

they became trans, or they were, they are trans.

Right.

Like, he is perpetrating.

And that's right.

It's like my, you know, my mom always used to tell me, she was a teacher.

She was like, you know, I could, just by looking at my class and the

family, you can kind of predict the future.

without it even happening.

And these cycles sadly continue.

And like, you know, we're not going to solve these problems in this country until we really really start addressing that stuff.

And part of it is what you said, Zach, which is like, you know,

making it so that there is no stigma around therapy or asking for help or talking to your friends.

Because in that, in that, I think in like

blue worlds, there, there's problems still, but there's more of that, right?

More being open.

But in that world, in the MAGA world, you know, the Andrew Tates of the world and all these people are just telling you to just buck up, fucker.

And you, you know, you, you need to be the big, big, tough alpha.

And all it does is make everybody miserable because the person doing it isn't happy.

And then you're just an asshole to everybody else.

And so like, we got to have this conversation.

Like, I also look at it like, like, I, for me personally, I am not at all comfortable with talking about my feelings with anybody like at all.

It's a really uncomfortable thing for me, but because I know its value, I do it anyway.

Like, that is, to me, a more masculine perspective than just sucking it up and going.

It's like, I don't don't want to talk about this but it's helpful so i'll do it you know there's that's their idea of masculinity is taking everything that's ever hurt them putting it in a bottle and then dying at 55.

that's a mar right there

clip of the week clip of the week no that i mean it's spot on and i think The thing that's so frustrating for me is like, my dad is awesome.

My grandpas were both awesome.

Most of my uncles are awesome.

I have plenty of male role.

I should let me, in case any of them are listening, all of my uncles are awesome.

I was going to say,

we should leave it where they have to decide.

I'm not going to figure out who your family hate letters to us.

I have a lot of uncles, so now

they have to try to figure out are they one of the good ones.

But they live in this world where they truly don't believe because they haven't been exposed to

the idea that

there's no alternative.

And it's like the kid in Texas that I talked to who said, I've never met an adult male Democrat.

Scary.

It's like, where the fuck do you start with that?

Okay, so an adult men can be Democrats.

You don't have to be gay to be a Democrat.

Like you can be a straight white Christian male gun owner and be a Democrat.

In fact, there used to be a whole lot of those people.

It wasn't until the culture wars flipped it, but the whole like emotional vulnerability thing, like they live in this.

this charade where like their dad is miserable and sad and pretending to be strong, and then he pays both of those things forward to his kids so that they feel like they have to keep up this false bravado while also being miserable inside.

And they don't know that there's another way to exist because they don't have a single role model that shows them that there's another way to exist.

And it's like, how do you crack that?

I mean, Barack Obama's out there.

There are a lot of athletes out there who are strong, straight, you know, religious men who are great positive forces for masculinity,

but they just think it's all like, what, a media lie or a liberal lie?

I don't know.

I haven't figured out how to crack it.

If we could, maybe we could get more listeners.

I don't know.

Well, it's a big,

it's, it's a big, it's a big problem.

And the reason we haven't solved it is because it's so big, right?

Like, and

a lot of it, and we talk a lot about this, is like, you know, culture is how you have to start with culture.

You can't start with politics because it's just like it's a dead end.

And it's ingrained, and that's how they get them, right?

Right.

Like, right.

But like,

there are from the back end yeah there are a there were a not insignificant number of obama and trump voters oh yeah right so like i know a lot of people who voted for obama twice and uh trump three times now polit politically it is completely insane right it is completely insane they are diametrically opposed in their pos in their approaches to both domestic and foreign policy it makes no sense but

if you look at it from a cultural perspective you know obama was coming off like this miserable war that no one agreed with and the economy was in the tank.

And then comes out this like dynamic, youngish,

I think he, I think he was in his late 40s when he became president,

my age, basically, which is terrifying.

And,

you know, but like he was calm, he was confident.

And then we went with a psychopath.

But like, you know,

I think that that's, there was a cultural shift.

A lot of racism came up.

Yeah.

And then that's where a lot of this spun out.

But it's not like it's impossible i mean james tellerico is somebody rich he checks a lot of the boxes that you just said and is in texas um graham plattner in maine checks a lot of those boxes too and so it'll be really interesting

rob uh iowa yep right uh is he the one that's uh

in in the wheelchair disabled no i don't think so okay there's a there's a there's a couple of really good candidates in iowa it's gonna be really interesting to see if like you know we always talk about candidate quality right and it seems like democrats are recruiting well some not so great.

But some really good.

We're not the only ones who looked at 2024 and said, maybe

this group of people should stand up and do anything.

Because, I mean, we all felt it.

People were like, oh, my God, it's so refreshing to hear a bearded white guy.

be a feminist or be liberal.

Let's not focus on the beard thing.

Oh, Luke's not there yet.

Sweet, baby-faced white guy.

you'll get there um

it migrates from your head down to your face so as soon as you start balding then that's when you know your beard's going to come in um

no i mean and and you know so now suddenly we've got all of these uh these men coming out of the woodwork going can i can i talk again because i think like there was a minute there where i felt like like just shut up and listen was kind of the message from everybody and we've listened 100% and I've learned a lot in the last 10 years, but we also just, it's a numbers game.

We have to win elections.

And so just fucking do anything.

I mean, I think there's also the element like going back to the Obama and Trump voters voting for, they voted for Obama and then also for Trump.

That is going to be a group that swings our way this time around because they're pro-

that group I just call pro-disruptors.

That's what all they give a shit about is changing.

Exactly.

Like, because they look around and they're like, the only thing that persists with them is they're dissatisfied with them.

They're angry at everybody all of the time.

So whoever's going, well, this shit really sucks and they're not empowered like that one.

And then as long as we have people who are actually becoming anti-establishment and powerful, which we're clearly seeing is a trend, those people will swing back 100%.

Yeah, I mean, I think we're looking at a good next year, but there's obviously a lot of work to do.

I feel really good about the Virginia race this year.

I don't feel so great about the New Jersey race right now.

So we need to be paying attention.

The polls aren't great.

There was a debate the other night that was okay.

And New Jersey is

conservative.

New Jersey is interesting, too.

Like, I grew up in an area in northern Jersey that was like former, like, during the Bush era, was very, very red.

And then when Trump came around, it turned very blue.

So, like, it's a very strange state where like they looked at Bush and were like, love it.

And they looked at Trump and went, no, fuck this guy.

Right.

The shift was huge.

So I don't know what the hell's going on.

So if you're a Democrat in New Jersey, pay attention and make sure you're voting.

But really just a general vote.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, moving on, there's so many ridiculous things to talk about, but let's go to, let's, geez,

this episode is just going to be exciting.

We got a hot take to kick off the let's do it.

All right, a hot take to kick off the Kimmel conversation.

Um,

I don't know if it's a prove-me-wrong or a hot take, but I think the hot take is this.

And don't, don't, don't kill me, um, listeners.

I see your comments

in support of Jimmy Kimmel.

Every single Democrat in the United States should resubscribe to Disney, Hulu, and ESPN and make it vocally clear why.

They're resubscribed.

If you canceled, resubscribe and do it because they reinstated Jimmy Kimmel.

That is my take.

I'm not surprised Luke disagrees.

I agree.

So we'll see.

Oh,

we're going to have a split crew today because I do not agree.

Luke, the floor is yours.

Wait, wait, we didn't get Chris's take.

Are we all talking first before you talk?

We all have to say what we think.

The hot take reaction.

I'm going to be totally honest that

I

value

the season finale of Alien Earth more than I do the First Amendment.

So I did not cancel.

So

I would be deeply

to tell anyone to cancel Hulu right now.

I deeply appreciate that response.

I will be honest too.

I did not, but I will tell you why.

Because

I got it through a deal through Spotify.

They just gave it to me as part of the membership.

So I actually don't know how to cancel it because I'm not not actually paying for it.

It's only a coin.

It's still a coincidence.

It's the oldest guy on the podcast, you guys.

It's only a coin.

Don't worry, listeners.

A lot of us have

like six months ago.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

First of all, no, no, I'm with you, Luke.

I just don't like, I don't actually

story.

This man just wants to watch his Disney.

He emotionally canceled his Hulu subscription, but he didn't technically cancel it.

I didn't turn it on.

I didn't turn it on.

I didn't watch it.

Oh, okay.

All right, Luke.

Let's hear it.

I'll back you up, Luke.

Go ahead.

I think they didn't learn their lesson enough.

They don't get a reward for doing the right thing.

Like, I don't know why we expect that of them.

It's my opinion, they can lose a few more billion dollars.

I'm going to sail the high seas for everything I have to watch that's Disney or Hulu for the next fucking four years, if not forever.

I do that for most things at this point, but I'm definitely not thinking that they should get their money back just because they did the right thing to fix the thing they never should have fucking done.

I mean, they literally made a show called Andor, which is a Star Wars show, which is like literally about the rise of fascism and how much blood and sweat it takes to fight fascism.

And then the second the fascists walk over, they go, okay, see that.

I'll do what you want.

Fuck that.

They don't get a dime of my money.

That's fair.

I understand that perspective.

Like, but I'll tell you why I'm with Rich on this one, because I think if you look at it and go, all right, if I'm a, if I'm a CEO of a company and I go, I'm going to lose these people anyway.

They're not going to come back.

That's the problem that they're looking at and going, well, then what's the benefit of me bringing them back?

I need to have an upside to my next decision.

So if we're making it clear like hey if you behave the right way we're with you if you behave the wrong way we're against you and our actions are inexplicably tied to those behaviors then they will understand as a business like oh shit we actually have to move with the tide and we have a benefit if we do that but if you take away that benefit they go well fuck it what do i care if they're just gonna leave me no matter what and i never come back i think they should look at it as we lost the chunk that we did I mean, if they had gone on to like fully cancel Kimmel, they'd have lost fucking way more.

Yeah,

and that's why they didn't, because they didn't want to lose more money, right?

But I'm not going to motivate them for doing the right thing.

You don't get a pat on the back.

Yeah, so I think I agree.

I understand the position, Zach.

My take is I want to stop them before they do this stupid shit in the first place.

Well, I think this does.

I think them seeing it come back makes them think about it twice until next time.

Well, right, because now what they can do is, you know, Bob Iger is the one that made this decision, the CEO of Disney.

You know, he pulled the plug, like Trump wanted him to, or, or what's his face, that bozo at the FCC.

And then he lost $4 billion in market cap, brings him back.

And like, so he kind of, he was able to throw Trump a bone when he wanted it.

Briefly.

And then he gets to be like, oh, I brought Kibble back.

To me, that's like, because market cap can go straight back up, right?

So like, I, I, I'm not sure that Disney has learned their lesson or another company wouldn't look because Sinclair is still not allowing Sinclair, which is a

incredibly right-wing company that literally

owns a lot of ABC and CBS stations.

In fact, they used to have, they used to have, because I saw this when I was in Maine at my parents' house, the CBS affiliate in Portland is owned by Sinclair.

And they would run these two to three minute, like, they called them like talking point things.

Must reads.

And it was with must-reads with Boris Epstein, Epstein, whatever his name is, who literally goes to a different name.

Oh, yeah.

there's a Y.

Epstein.

There's a Y in his last name.

Yeah.

But, anyways, and then he ended up, I think he ended up getting indicted.

I think he got indicted for something or was under investigation because he was a Trump lackey, but they pumped that into everybody's house before they watched Wheel of Fortune at seven o'clock.

You had to hear a right-wing, two-to-three-minute spiel, which you didn't even realize was a right-wing spiel because it just said it was like at the top of the hour, here's this like guy.

So, like,

we haven't actually, I don't, I don't think we've solved this problem.

And especially with Sinclair, and there was a smaller TV group that's also not showing it.

Like if you just let them back, then Sinclair gets what they want as well.

They didn't learn shit.

That's my problem.

Yeah.

I'm also not going to judge anybody who like has Hulu because look, there's not a lot of joy in the world right now.

So like if you want to watch fucking Alien, whatever, now that it's back, I'm not dying on that hill, but I just don't think that I would prefer that people stay away.

And I promise i'll go figure out how to detach my

question for you guys because i so i when i was like deep deep deep deep in the research uh i was tracking like swastika flying neo-nazis who were outside of disney like one at least once a week for like months did that make it into the mainstream news at all i don't know nope so i knew i knew there was a fight with with um disney and desantis but i didn't know about neo-nazis yeah

So I think that there's like the PR team at Disney

probably has a different perspective on culture war issues than most Americans because

when it's in your face, when they're physically outside Disney World or land, whatever's in Florida, I think that has a psychological effect on the employees and even executives,

especially because it is so offensive.

This

part of this was like the allegation that Disney was grooming children into

LGBTQ and all that shit, right?

So Disney has been fighting for years, I suspect, what seems like, based on this poll right here, a very quiet but high stakes fight against both very important and powerful figures like Ron DeSantis, who did lose his Disney fight.

I don't know if people know that.

But, but they've also had literal neo-Nazis standing outside their offices and their entrances to their parks, like very often for years.

And that, I think, probably has an effect on people there.

How do I think it happened with Disney?

Like, isn't it like because they had princesses be black who shooted like they wanted them to be white?

Like, is that the origin of all the shit?

It's one of the fucking suits.

Yeah, it's Little Mermaid was black and they lost their shit.

It's so

fun.

Imagine caring about that.

Everybody's so pissed about Snow White.

They're like, this shit is white as the driven snow.

And

they lost their fucking shit.

Imagine caring about that.

Imagine caring about that.

And it does go very

pretend from John DeSantis to a libs of TikTok,

higher right chick.

Two literal fucking neo-Nazis.

I think you're right.

I just, I don't, I'm sure there are plenty of Disney people who are outraged that they may.

I don't think Bob Iger gives a shit about that.

I think Bob Iger cares about green.

Oh, yeah and even michael eisner who is like the god of disney after disney was like why do they do this where is leadership like he he came out pretty hard uh because i you know i think that i'm sure he was representing a lot of the employees because i don't know why you would do that if like everybody was against it and you're just like and you have all that stock it's probably a lot at risk but like i he he

was the guy that I was I was a little surprised to see him go against Disney on this.

But I agree.

I mean, they're in Orlando, Florida, guys.

Like, it's not exactly like the

bluest place on earth.

So there's like some bad shit down there.

So, yeah.

Let me circle back now and defend my position because the reason why.

Oh, right that.

Oh, yeah.

That, you guys, come on.

Jesus Christ, we're not talking about fucking Snow White right now or Orlando.

Nobody wants to talk about Orlando.

No.

Actually, there is one listener on our show, I guarantee you now,

who's from that area that is going to give me shit.

I guarantee it.

It's like when you get on the stage and you're like, all right, who's I'm from Orlando?

Who's from Orlando?

And there's like one person.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

They're not going to listen to us anymore because I trashed Orlando.

That's garbage.

We can't, like, one business can't fix capitalism and can't fix late stage capitalism.

When we say vote with your dollar,

not supporting Disney for doing the right thing is like people staying home and being like, hell, like Kamala Harris loved genocide or whatever, and just being a non-voter.

You have to vote because it's the system, it's how the system works.

And so, if we don't, if we, if everybody just says, no, fuck you guys, you fucked up once, we're never going to give you our dollars again, like Zach said,

what do they have to lose?

They are legally obligated

to make shareholders money.

Like, it is, it is actually a law for a publicly owned company to maximize profits for shareholders, which is a a whole separate episode.

But until we change that,

if they just say, no, we're going to stand by our values and lose money because the Democrats won't pay for us.

And now the Republicans are pissed at us because we're getting all woke, but we're going to stick with our values.

So nobody's giving us money.

They're going to replace the CEO and then they're going to go.

probably hard right because the right does a much better job of voting with their dollar than the left does.

We stick with our principles and we kind of don't pull the levers that we need to to pull.

And so I don't, like, this is a business transaction for ABC or for Disney.

They don't give a shit.

They want to do the thing that makes them the most money or that loses them the least money.

And so use your money to make sure that the correct side is giving them the most money so that they do what we want them to do.

Like it's just a transactional thing.

My problem with this one is that this was such a gross overreach by the federal government and Disney just fucking caved.

It's not a whoopsey.

They just came.

It's not a whoopsey.

Right.

This was a clear

cheap goddamn suit.

Right.

As Ian

Rosenberg told us yesterday, the first or the other day, the First Amendment attorney we had on.

You know, it's not, Disney has the right to do whatever they want.

Well, depending on what the contracts are, but this was the FCC, which they now say they didn't, which is bullshit.

They leaned on

because they knew they were going to lose.

Right.

They, right.

And well, we didn't do that.

This was such a stark violation, and this was such a line that was crossed.

I just don't easiest fucking smack it out the park for Disney.

If you flip the script and they said, yeah, fuck you, FCC, you know what the fucking response from the left on the internet would have been?

Hell yeah, somebody's sticking up.

And I actually think that there is, there are more people.

You want to reward some people.

Reward that.

There are more people, and we saw with the backlash, there were more people on our side on this.

It was like a 70-30.

Like, I mean, we even had Ted Cruz

agreeing with us and talking to Chris and a cancer.

Matt Walsh?

Matt Walsh was.

Wait, was he?

Did he?

No way.

No way.

Really?

I don't think.

The broad attack on free speech,

he said,

are you fucking kidding me?

Get rid of Pam Bondi now.

He was staunchly on the side of free speech.

Well, so the world is terrified that when we win in 28, that somebody will fucking come back around and give us a break.

They're not done.

Well, if they broke the law, they absolutely shouldn't be worried about that.

But I guess that's my point.

I actually think there was, as Luke was saying,

I think there was more upside of fighting this than capitulating.

Because the problem with the capitulation is-we're missing a piece.

They're missing a critical piece of this, which is the whole reason Bob Iger did it, was the Fubo acquisition.

That's the whole thing.

The whole reason this happened

was because Disney is in the position right now that we're trying to acquire Fubo for, like, I think the deal is like it's billions of dollars.

And the only way for this to go through is for Trump to rob respect this.

That's it.

He's leveraging it.

No,

I didn't know that, but that makes total sense.

But,

you know, but like, again,

I understand that, but

this is now going to happen again because it worked.

At least short term.

Also related to this is Sinclair and I think Tegna,

which are trying to merge from below,

also pulled the show.

So Nextstar is a matter of time.

I think something like...

It was Nextstar?

Next star and Tegna are trying to merge and they need FCC to actually change, to destroy the anti-monopoly rule that allows them to go over 39% saturation.

And it would push them up to like, I want to say 80% saturation because they're both massive.

Sinclair is the other big right-wing behemoth that owns tons of stations.

So it would ultimately be Nexstar and Sinclair, both of which are, I think, both Texas-owned, but they're both extremely conservative owners of small, mostly small market stations.

And so, yeah, Tegna actually doesn't have a

like they have, they have not issued a statement, and Tegna didn't pull Kimmel from their station.

So, Tegna and Nexstar are not necessarily politically aligned, but I think out of business reasons, they need to, or that's why they want the merger.

Yep.

Right.

But, but so that merger will probably result in higher prices for the consumers in those areas, which is what it always does.

No, but I just, I think it just points to it.

This is where I think people, why like the Zorans and the Platiners are doing so well right now is like this, this, like people are making like

decisions that will affect all of us for the rest of our lives, meaning trampling over the First Amendment for an acquisition.

And like, we've got, there has to be, this is where I get into like.

I'm never going to reward that.

I'm never going to reward it.

I'm never going to reward it.

And I'm never, and there needs to be more oversight.

Like, they're creating monopolies.

And like, this is, this is again, like, Donald Trump uses these culture wars to keep his, you know, white, non-college educated base in check.

Sure.

But is again doing something to screw them because he's really the one that's beholden to corporations of billionaires.

I understand all that.

And like I'm ideologically aligned with you guys and all this stuff.

But I think the piece that we have to accept is that's not the world we live in.

And we have to operate within the world that we live in.

And like ideal world, you guys are right.

100% we should not

give money to companies we don't agree with.

But the truth of the matter is, if we take that position right this second,

it's not a good position for us to take.

It's not going to win our 4% back.

They're not going to fucking it.

I mean,

they got their ass smacked a little bit.

Right.

I mean, that's okay.

The belt came to ask for a second.

Yeah.

I think, like, you know, they'll get their 4% back, and it'll be fine, and they learn their lesson that they shouldn't do this shit again.

Right.

And I think, like, they don't need like a boost of people coming out to support them and

you did the right thing and we should all subscribe.

No, no, no, no.

Definitely not that.

But I do think because we live in unprecedented times, we have to pick our battles very wisely.

And I think like this is one where it's like, if we can tell, tell huge corporations, hey, if you go with us, there's actually benefit in the back end, then we have more traction when we actually get power.

And that's sort of where I align with Rich the most is like, I'll take the traction in the future by giving him a little bit of fucking leeway right now.

Well, let's move on to some of the other crazy stuff.

And listeners, if you want to write in and tell us how Zach and Rich were wrong, please feel free to do that.

I do agree the economic incentive argument is solid.

Hey, all right.

All right.

Also, as you can tell Chris why he's wrong.

So let's go on to something insane, infuriating.

And that is that Donald Trump and RFK Jr.

this week, this week, Monday?

Yeah, I think.

It's only Wednesday.

Monday.

It's only Wednesday.

You'll get this tomorrow.

Sorry, guys.

But

came out and said

they sort of danced around it because they can't really say what they want to say, but they blamed Tylenol for not acetaminophen because, well, Trump can't say acetaminophen,

but specifically Tylenol, which now I've learned they're saying Tylenol because he can't say acetaminophen.

Sure.

Is to blame

for the rise of autism cases in the country.

There is next to zero scientific evidence to back up this claim.

In fact, when you look at the White House fact sheets, They are very careful about what they actually say in writing because they say it may or there is a chance that they use it.

One of the studies that they used for fucking evidence doesn't have the word autism anywhere in it.

Right.

They don't know what they're doing.

They're using correlational studies, small correlational studies, and big studies have just like that.

This is the area, because this is the world I come from.

I worked in pharmaceutical advertising forever and I had to read these studies all the time.

This is where Republicans have such a leg up because they understand how to take these very, very complicated things and distill them down to like, here's the simplest sound bite in the world.

And I can just be like, hey, there was a study from Harvard that said this and blow it up into this is the answer.

And it's like, if you just take two minutes of critical thinking and reason,

you could disprove this whole thing in two seconds.

They just don't do it.

And it's painful because they're too dumb.

I mean,

that's just the bottom line.

They're just too fucking stupid.

The frustrating part about it is you're right.

Like everyone kept forwarding that like Harvard study.

It's like, well, the Harvard study was a study of studies.

And then when there were bigger studies that went to try to prove out, because that's how the scientific method works, right?

You usually start small to prove, to get a theory working, and then you expand.

And generally, like when you expand it, those findings in those smaller ones don't always pan out.

That's why you hear these things like, you know, like

scientists have cured

Alzheimer's and mice.

It's like, yeah, in this little teeny, far less complex brain, that's a good start, right?

But like, you don't

cure mice?

Transgender mice.

Yes.

Those are the special transgender mice.

I can't believe that that was nine months ago.

It's crazy.

But, anyways, but like, here's like the thing about this, first of all, anybody that knows anything, like, every doctor came out, every

researcher, all these people were putting out videos

and statements that were like, no.

But the thing that infuriates me the most about this, and I did a video on TikTok, but...

TikTok suppresses any videos that talk about autism or vaccines.

They sure do.

What a platform.

What a platform.

What they have signaled to millions of women in this country is that their child is neurodivergent because it's their fault.

And that's wrong for many, many reasons.

First of all, there's nothing wrong with neurodivergence.

It is a different way of thinking.

And almost every scientist agrees that that happens in the early stages in utero, and it's mostly genetic.

There are likely environmental factors.

So there's that.

But like all of these women, and I saw people talking about it, like even though they know it was a lie, like this thing was not

yeah of course it hurts of course for you to like to to be it to be basically blamed which is what RFK is doing that fucking asshole like he is actually the one I hate the most

the worst because he is a narcissist and he has been he has lied in every job and he's also not a medical he's an environmental lawyer

most of his expertise is how to heat up

a fucking spoon i wish i was i wish

he actually has more experience doing that than anything medical which is true.

I want to be senator for one day, and I want it to be when he testifies, because I want to ask him this.

10 years ago, you testified in a spousal support case that you could not pay your ex-wife,

not child support, but alimony

because a worm ate your brain and you have, you have, the, your brain, you had so much brain damage that you cannot support paying her and yourself.

And then he becomes the Health and Human Services Secretary, which means he's in the presidential line of succession.

So, what I want to know is, were you lying then or were you lying now?

And the answer is, yes, right?

It's yes.

It's yes.

It's always yes with that guy because he's a narcissist.

If you look up narcissists, his face is in the dictionary, I swear.

But

he is not well.

And I mean, who works out in jeans, guys?

I mean, come on.

I mean,

I saw he had a nicotine pouch in when they were doing that fucking speech.

Yeah, the Maha guy is fucking ripping, ripping

zins, ripping zins.

But it's the emotional damage that it does to people who are already in a challenging situation.

And the thing is, they don't care.

They just don't care.

It's not just retrospective of the damage that it's doing to women who have had children who may be neurodivergent.

It's all of the women now who may be denied access to care, Tylenol and other products, who will have to live with pain.

And there are studies.

I'm not making any conclusions here, right?

But fevers

can really affect a fetus.

Yes, 100%.

In many dangerous ways.

You control

a fever for a mother with Tylenol.

There's a lot of science saying that the cost-benefit ratio for this is better for the fetus.

You take Tyanol, reduce the fever, reduce the body heat, reduce possible potentially deadly

impacts on the fetus.

And what the pro-life shock is talking about right now is torturing women and killing children.

That is what this maha bullshit is with Tylenol.

Well, and

I mean,

this one is so frustrating for me, but this is the thing I've seen in the last few days.

All men, by the way, all men saying, well, what's the big deal?

Don't just don't take Tylenol.

And it's like, you, you are, what you, first of all, first of all, shut the fuck up about pregnancy.

Just shut the fuck up.

Second of all, go ask your wife who had two kids, go say that to her and see what she says.

Because, you know, this whole like, well,

the woman should have to suffer to have the baby.

And then when the baby comes, she has to do all the child care and all the cooking.

This is what these people think, right?

It's like,

like, just shut the fuck up.

Like, and it it was the dudes oh well what you know they have to have a fever a couple times i'm like well then you have a fever then you don't take anything if it's no such a big deal yeah why don't you have the fever and you we all know what a man cold is right like

men generally are softer about illness than women already when i get sick oh i

fall apart but like it's that like it's this decision is so anti-woman it's just infuriating and like that that side has they they just like they're just like oh i don't see what the big deal is what's the big deal i'm like well you don't know just go google Google it and find out.

Just take the two minutes.

Instead of being spoon-fed from the brain eat worm and the guy who eats McDonald's 65 times a day, who said you should inject bleach, you want to believe them over literally all doctors and all scientists, minus a couple crazy ones.

And the stupidest part of it is they're only doing this because they like promised they were going to get to the bottom of autism and then they looked at it and went, oh, there's no way we're going to be able to do this.

And they just counted a lot.

Generally speaking, scientific studies don't have a fucking release date of

the solution.

Generally speaking, that's another thing.

Also,

what, six or seven presidents before just chose not to figure it out, and then they figured it out and sit down.

We got a stable G.

I bet Donald Trump was in the lab with the microscope.

He's got a, I mean, a nice white lab coat.

I'm sure he was in there.

Can you imagine showing that guy DNA what he would do?

He would just be like, oh, is that just the stains from my lunch?

Is that just what I, you know?

The other part was, I thought it was vaccines, guys.

Right.

So is that off now?

No.

See, that's the interesting thing about that whole fucking press read

is that he tiptoed around saying that.

And he was like, and the Amish folks, they don't have vaccines and they don't have autism.

Sure, Donald, they just have that kid who really likes to count the marbles.

You know, they definitely don't have anything there.

Jesus Christ.

But he was like, well, I can't say, but like, it was such a fucking

dog whistle.

So is it?

So it is, it is vaccines and Tylenol.

And Tylenol.

Right.

Yep.

The deadly.

Like whatever else they decide.

Also, what a fucking idiot to call Tylenol.

I mean, isn't Bear going to just file a multi-billion dollar lawsuit?

Because

they're definitely going to lose sales, right?

Their sales are going to get screwed.

Even people who don't believe it are like, some people will just be like, well, I'm just not going to do it, right?

Even though there is no reason to not.

So like they're going to the

I could try this case and probably win because there is nothing.

What do you like?

They said this.

The next day this happened and

there was nothing else like that they're gonna sue for billions and then guess who gets to pay for that

i think what's also worth mentioning is is that the whole rfk like war on or autism thing is is like also just really awful and cruel like his whole reason for doing this is he

believes that people who have autism are are incapable of anything he said like a giant drain on the family

nasty like dude Like you said that standing right next to Elon Musk,

who's the richest person on a planet and has talked about being autistic.

Neurodivergence doesn't mean that you're a drain on society.

No.

But also,

how is that the measure?

First of all, this pro-life party, right?

So this pro-life party, now it's all about paying taxes, which at least they're saying the quiet part out loud.

But like this notion that in order for life to be valuable, that it has to pay taxes, where it has to, like, the most important thing in life is.

It's like chunk changing people's work based on their monetary success.

I saw some really amazing videos of doctors.

There's one guy, I can't remember his name, but like he was, and he has an autistic child too, but he was like, first of all, the aspirin thing is bull, or Tylenol thing is bullshit.

Like, there's not any conclusive evidence.

It's not even close to it.

But he's also like, we've got to get away from this notion that

to be a valuable person,

you must contribute to capitalism.

And I know that's how our system works, but that doesn't mean a person that can't do that isn't valuable, doesn't bring joy to people, doesn't like enjoy their life.

And like, why as a society, the richest country on earth, we can have all of these things.

Like, I don't understand why we have to other people, because that is, Chris, you're right, that's the other damaging thing about this, is that they are calling this something that you can catch

rather than just being a part of who you are.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

And I'll be honest, like, and this is, you know, I think people will appreciate this joke, but like every fucking engineering and developing development team on earth,

you got, there's a lot of people in there that are neurodivergent.

Like there are, Bill Gates has talked about his neurodivergent.

Right.

Absolutely.

And like, what would what a better program would be would be, well, let's spend money, let's spend money figuring out how to like make everybody live their best life.

Right.

Like maybe that is contributing, maybe that is working a job, and we have workforce trainings for that.

Or maybe there's other ways, like, there's just like, you know, like Nordic countries, right, are always the happiest countries on earth.

They're also socialists.

And because they

ensure health care, pensions, like, we take care of people.

Like, that is the way to have a healthy, successful society.

Not for this fucking idiot that literally says he had a brain worm, which he didn't, but like he's used that, like, because there is no, really no such thing of that, unless he was like swimming in some river and the fucking.

He has swum in rivers like that.

No, that's true.

That's true.

He did go in Rock Creek Park, which is gross.

Gross.

With his kids or whatever.

But it's just, it's just like,

and this is part of that masculinity thing, too, because we are all told the only way that you are a successful male in this country is that you make a lot of money, you have a bunch of babies,

and then you die of like alcoholism or something at 65 because

life well lived.

You're like, what?

That's the other part.

It's like they don't like it because like it's not normal.

The other element of that type of archetype.

Right.

Like, is they want a normal person.

That's what it means to be normal.

You go beyond that.

Exactly.

I mean, like, you have to look at, like, I look at people who are neurodivergent as the opposite.

Like, they have fucking superpowers, dude.

Like, some of them can do shit like

what he can do.

I am, too.

It's amazing to see what some of them could do.

Like, look at this.

It's incredible.

Why are we not bottling this up and selling it?

It's a fucking value system.

If you find the right jobs and the right neurotypes, like it is absolutely true.

It's not that way for everybody, but it is, but it is, but you're no, but you're 100% right.

And like, why?

Like,

and honestly, like, everyone's like, well, the rise of autism in the 90s.

I'm like, no, no, no.

The rise of testing,

not this fucking, oh, there was like mercury and the vaccines in the late 80s.

I'm like, go fucking Google this.

My God, it is so like, and it's also Jay fucking McCarthy.

I don't ever get to the Google part.

I just get, go fuck yourself.

First of all,

the first uses of the term autism, I believe, is in the, was in the 1910s.

Tylenol was developed in the 1950s.

Right.

So that adds up.

Also, I have seen some very funny memes that mostly neurodivergent people post, so I feel like it's okay to say it, but like, they're like, you know, this boomer says, like, oh, we didn't have autism.

And then it's like, here's dad with his train collection, like, just like over all the little pieces.

And it's like, yeah, no, like, we,

autism is genetic.

We have always had it.

Like, it's great that it's coming out, but like, othering, like, it should be celebrated.

It should not be like cast to the side.

And I think that's the problem.

So there are so many people with great TikToks walking into their parents' houses, like these MAGA parents, and being like, here's my mom who's arguing with me about autism not being real.

And here's her spoon set.

Walk into another room.

And here are her special spoons that you can't touch.

Don't touch them.

Do not touch them.

No, it's, but it's just like, let's just all understand each other a little bit better right like it's not that hard the challenge is going to happen no

my my prediction my prediction is that inside a year and a half the pro-lifers are going to leave are going to link birth control use with autism that's interesting that's actually i'm glad you said it's

now

i i you could call me and not in 18 months you tell me if it came true yeah yeah i could see that 100%.

Because what I was going to say, it fits in perfectly to this, is that the epicenter of all of this is creating a distrust of experts.

That's really what this all is.

And that's starting to exist.

But like that,

the analogy I always go back to with that is I'm like, what if you were doing the exact same thing with planes?

Would you fly in a plane if the people running the fucking, like building the planes were your experts in quotations?

Or would you feel supremely fucking uncomfortable with the type of people that you're going to listen to in medicine and applying that to going into a fucking steel tube in the sky, I think you'd change your mind a bit and go, maybe I'll trust the real experts this time so I don't clean into the ocean.

They always end up doing that, though.

Well, I don't know.

There's a fucking thing that I hate the most about these fuckers.

There was somebody who passed away recently who did actually weaponize airplanes, right?

Because Mr.

Charlie Kirk has that quote that says, you know, if I have a black, if I have a black pilot,

I'm going to think to myself, I hope he's qualified.

So it's interesting because it's insane is exactly as you said.

But they do, like, they even find ways to weave their racism into something that is actually, you know, is insane.

And that's, I never understand that argument.

It's like, do they think that like DEI programs have been like, hey, anybody can come in and do this highly specialized stuff?

Exactly.

Exactly.

That's what they think.

How is that possible?

Well, I don't even know that.

Because they don't do any research, right?

The smart ones don't think that.

The smart ones just know that the dumb motherfuckers will think that if they say weaponizer.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like, once again, and I work, I, full disclosure, I did, I did have a client at the Office of DEI at Michigan.

So, like, I got insight into a lot of this stuff.

Uh, they're not anymore, but uh, basically, because their president was a coward and got rid of DEI and because he wanted the job at the University of Florida, and then they deemed him not MAGA enough, and so he got no job.

So, not sad about that.

I can say that now that I'm not on the contract, but he wins through the prizes.

All DEI is

making sure that everybody has the same opportunity.

Yep, that's that's literally it.

That's literally it.

And also, businesses that employ DEI practices have better revenues because guess what?

Yes.

Fuck wads.

Like diversity of thought is very valuable and diversity of experience is very valuable.

And you've got just, it's like imagine the four of us like trying to solve, I don't know, I don't know what it would be because anything I could think of is hilarious.

Like if we were trying to like, you know, figure out like a vaccine or something.

I've got to solve autism before Trump's people could.

I think we've already got it figured out.

There is no solventism.

There we go.

But like having some doctors in the midst or like people people,

you know, who've come from the community we've been, anyways, it's just ridiculous.

It's all just so stupid.

It is and it's permeated so far.

Like I did that debate thing with like high school kids six months ago for that, you know, my old podcast co-host who's very Republican.

And I literally had young black kids arguing with me that DEI was bad for them.

And I'm like, I am so sorry that this happened to you.

Like it's fucking insane.

They literally felt offended.

at DEI.

And I was like, okay, you know, this is a minefield I'm going to walk away from, but you have been lied to aggressively.

It's insane.

Also, you don't have to take it.

You don't have to be in a program if you don't want to.

Nobody's felt.

So for our last topic,

President Trump this week designated the four of us as terrorists, guys.

Oh, yeah.

Domestic terrorists.

Also, important note for the...

For the people who say they love veterans so much, also designated like a lot of our grandparents domestic terrorisms.

True.

You mean all that served in World War II?

Everybody that served in World War II.

Okay, so for anyone who missed it, because there was a lot of crazy shit this week, Donald Trump has designated Antifa, which is short for Antifascist

as a

terrorist organization, even though there is no organizational structure.

There has never been a single person identifying.

Actually, I'm the president of Antifa.

You are.

Well, that's breaking news, Speed.

To be sure, Chris is the accountant.

I run an organization that is called Veterans Fighting Fascism.

So, like, I'm on the list, guys, for real.

Like, it's not a joke.

Congratulations.

You're in there.

Oh, I wish I had my sound up.

I could do that right now.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Don't do it.

Yeah, so.

I mean, this could potentially have real repercussions.

What the order was, was like three paragraphs.

It was very soft language, like their Taiwan, you know, written declarations.

But it did basically tell law enforcement, federal law enforcement, at least, and the agencies, the various agencies like the IRS, to look for Antifa.

And if you're a cop, if you're the average cop, you fear Antifa.

I've spoken at the Global Intelligence Forum for the NYPD,

and I was there talking to them about unlawful militias and how they're not actually aligned with cops and they actually kill a lot of cops.

And that's a historical fact.

And every response was, but what about Antifa?

But what about Antifa?

So

though the order itself is not really, it doesn't have any legal weight, the messaging.

is enough that it is going to change the mindset of too many cops, not just federal cops who the order is for,

but all cops around the country who are going to start being like, that's a fucking terrorist.

I'm going to treat this, this American, this person who has constitutional rights.

I'm going to treat them like a terrorist.

And that is going to have real nasty effects for people.

It's fucking crazy because like in some parts of the country, it was already bad.

Like I'm from a super, super small town.

And in 2020, when the BLM riots were going on and there was like some protests in a city, like a slightly bigger city that was about 30 minutes away.

My small town had people waiting at the McDonald's with AR-15s because they had heard through Facebook that

there were busloads of Antifa coming to ruin the town.

People literally boarded up the fucking business windows in the downtown of my fucking little city.

Literally 2,000 people live in that town.

Wow.

Nobody ever showed up.

Bus is full of Antifa thing.

Yeah.

It spread like wildfire.

There were people waiting in the McDonald's fucking drive-thru or

parking lot in the back of a pickup truck with AR-15s.

The school parking lot was full of cops that were waiting also with firearms.

The whole town was just fucking on edge.

It was ridiculous.

Why did they decide to defend McDonald's of all places?

Well, McDonald's was on like

we were, I'm like, I was on

a very major highway.

Oh, it's a high point.

It was

a high point, and the direction was towards the city that the antifa was supposedly coming from they were going to get them on the way in you know does does the mcdonald's also uh uh double as city hall no

okay just curious so this is a

double as fucking snacks for them though

yeah this sounds very goofy but what luke is saying is a very important point because this is what the fox news audience believes and and that is like a third of the country if not more like they hear and they see news stories It's not just Facebook posts.

They see news stories about like intelligence was leaked from a police officer.

They, you know, some intelligence analysts said there's buses full of Antifa.

And the funniest thing for me personally is the reason why

there's like a famous bunch of images in Coeur d'Alene, a bunch of these Patriot Front U-Haul Nazis getting like, you know, their hands tied behind their back and stripped of their masks and everything.

It's because of the buses full of Antifa idea that somebody saw a bunch of people loading back in, loading up into a U-Haul in a conservative area, and they called the cops.

And that is the one time that cops have intercepted the U-Haul when it was full of these guys as it was like driving.

So

they thought it was, they thought it was Nazi.

They thought it was Antifa and it was actually Nazis.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So they got a bunch of Nazis arrested.

Oh my God.

Cordelay, that's in Idaho, right?

Is that the, And it's like a known white supremacist area, which is why Antifa would go there.

That seems like a bad idea.

It's like a bad idea.

It's like a blue city in a sea of red.

Oh, it is a blue city.

Or at least

there are blue parts of it.

I don't know about the whole thing.

The reason why the Nazis were going there is because there was a pride event, like a pride in the park event or something.

So, yeah.

So

my organization was able to take advantage of that.

How dare those people be who they are?

How dare they?

That's ridiculous.

Well, congratulations, everybody, for being labeled terrorists this week.

I kind of thought that most Americans were anti-fascist, though we are learning that that number is a lot smaller than we thought.

So

you run Antifa, right?

Absolutely.

I'm the president and CEO.

No, that's me, you fuck.

It's not the actual CEO of an anti-fascist organization.

This is all make-believe.

We all get to be president and CEO.

My child was a nickname.

This is an I'm a Spartacus.

I'm Spartacus moment.

Is that what it is?

I am Spartacus.

I am the CEO.

Chris does win this one.

Chris is real Spartacus.

The thing that's so funny to me that everyone just like glanced over,

I think New York Times, somebody mentioned it.

And it was like, why are we not talking about this?

He did this exact thing in 2020.

Like he literally said,

Antifa, I'm designating Antifa a major terrorist organization in 2020.

And everyone was like, What are you talking about?

And then

just like five years went by.

And now he's like,

that's basically

just the tweet.

So he sent a press release, press release, and the tweet.

Take the truth social post and stick it on the White House letterhead.

And the letterhead just signed it.

Yes, if you read it, it is Trump's language.

It is pretty...

I mean, it's not all caps lock, but it's

what I want the next president to do is I want them to take all of the actual physical pieces of paper that are executive orders.

I want them to go out onto that horrible new paved area where they got rid of the rose garden, and I just want them to light every single one of them on fire.

Just light them on.

Like we talk about like Trump is the king of performative bullshit.

I want performative action from whoever the Democrat is and just light that shit on fire and like double finger it and then walk back into the uh the West Wing.

Because

I have no interest in a Democratic candidate in 28 who says they're just gonna like not

be angry about what happened.

I don't think that they're like, don't worry,

no, they don't worry, it's business as usual again.

Yeah, fuck that.

We'll all be a brutch again.

Fuck off, you know, like just status quo, guys.

Let's get fired up to bring everything

was really great there, you know, during COVID and inflation.

Let's just go back to that change six you know yeah not change anything um

i think what's like

there's so much to unpack with the antifa stuff but the des like the domestic terrorist organization

george w bush would have loved to declare some direct domestic terrorist organizations during the war on terror the fucking kkk

is not a domestic terrorist organization and never was they were lynching black people

and they were never designated as anything other than a hate.

They had like designated leaders and chapters.

They had presidents and well, sorry, grand wizards.

Fucking nerds.

You know whose dad went to one of those rallies once.

I know whose dad went to one of those rallies.

Luke.

Donald Trump.

That's right.

Fred Trump went to a KKK rally once.

And not to

the cookies and punch.

Yeah, he was looking for a ghost costume.

Well, he was looking for a ghost costume for Halloween, right?

That's what he was doing.

Oh my God, I just got to cut these holes out.

Is this the spirit of Halloween?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Why is it pointing?

Anyways,

so he was there.

Yeah, we can, you can figure out why he was there.

Even the Communist Party during the Red Scare was not labeled a domestic terrorist organization because it's not a thing.

It doesn't exist.

It's not a thing.

It will never exist unless Congress passes a law that says you can designate a domestic terrorist organization.

And if they

were to try to do that, it would, and this is why it hasn't happened, it would flagrantly violate the First Amendment because assembly, petition, and speech, and religion are all covered and they all commingle, which is why, like, it's all or nothing.

You either have a free society or you have Nazi Germany, and there's really not a lot in between.

And for, you know, I think most Americans agree that free society is still arguably better

than the alternative.

I mean, I feel like we've got enough police forces to handle this that they don't need a piece of paper saying go get these guys, you know, between the FBI and police and sheriffs and

range marshals and, you know, ATF and all of these fucking groups.

Like, if someone is doing something bad, just go just punish the criminal.

You don't need Donald Trump.

Oh, oh, we're supposed to get these terrorists now.

Oh, oh, I'm sorry.

Like, it's just silly.

Donald Trump defunded the police, so they don't have the money anymore.

We, We should, I mean, we're all joking about this, but we should hope that the executive order fulfills what Trump wants to do, because this actually could get way fucking worse.

Marco Rubio has shown that he is willing to engage in just straight-up corruption to enrich the Trumps, right?

Marco Rubio has sold his soul.

The Secretary of State, the State Department, they do have powers that could designate

anti-fascist organizations of which there are

like loosely organized people,

as an international terrorist organization.

And that would give President Trump the powers of

war, effectively.

And that would give the FBI an international nexus for Americans.

So an example would be members of my team just went to Portugal to be at a cyber conference to learn new skills, to network with people internationally, because there's a global rise of fascism, right?

This is a very professional, nerdy conference, but that type of activity could be enough for the State Department to say, I don't want members of this team coming back into the United States.

We're going to take away their passports.

We're going to brand them as

affiliated or providing material support to a terrorist organization.

So, as funny as this executive order may feel,

we're nine months into the presidency.

We're eight months into the presidency plus four days as we're recording this.

Like there's a lot of room for acceleration in a way that

really could affect Americans in pretty horrible ways.

You still have to commit a crime to be a criminal.

And Congress passes laws that make things crimes.

And so I think even if it

definitely, if you're talking about anything overseas, obviously that's a whole different thing.

There is a law that allows the president to designate a foreign terrorist organization.

And

first of all, don't support foreign terrorist organizations like

everybody.

That's probably level one.

Fascism is an ideology.

Anti-fascism is an ideology.

I don't like...

I don't, I've never said like, I am an anti-fascist.

Like, that's just a, I don't really care about the label.

What I care about is I'm an American and Americans believe in American values, which are not in line with fascist ideology.

For me, is that, like, by saying that Antifa is their enemy, they're admitting what they are.

That's what I follow as most of them.

You know,

what's anti-anti-fascist?

Yeah, what's anti-anti-fascist?

What's that rhyme with?

I'll tell you.

Fucking fascist.

Well, guys, I think we have,

I think we've covered this one.

I was trying to find a good pivot to the rap, but you know, Chris was talking about the rise of

rise of fascism, and I was talking about there's been a rise in find out merchandise in the automotive store

lately.

We've got a five, this is the most popular, oh, we got three going right now, so we can, and we're all different.

So we have the faces shirt, which is the most popular.

Luke, I believe, is modeling the least popular.

Is it challenging buttons?

No, I thought Richard.

Is this four?

Oh,

is this four if I if I have two and my five?

You got a shirt.

Oh, oh, damn.

For those who are listening,

Rich has his mug,

his hoodie, and his black Find Out Newton shirt.

I like this one.

So I didn't tell the guys this.

I didn't tell the guys this, but I just put in the request to have the five faces and the tree put on the hoodies.

Oh, yes.

I think by next week, I'm pretty certain that a few days after people hear this episode, it's getting a little chilly.

It's fall.

And we're adding to the store.

We're putting our most popular designs on black pullover hoodies, which are super, super comfortable in America, printed by well-paid union artisans.

And

yeah, I'm pretty excited about that.

I wish it was getting chilly here.

It's hot as fuck.

I know today in New York, I mean, today it's like a sweaty disaster, which is, I actually ran over here, and I'm glad you can't see most of the shirts probably don't look great.

But

you can buy these shirts and more at findoutpodcast.com.

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I think that's it, guys.

I think we covered it.

This is a long one today.

We're at an hour hour

10.

Managed to make it through without my glasses, which I left at home, even though I can't really see anything that's going on.

Oh, thank you.

Well, this is the normal legs is how I normally look because I don't wear them out.

I think you have a face for podcasting.

That's very nice, Kalpha.

Oh, I just tried to make it.

Yeah, but podcasts are audio.

What's that?

But podcasts are audio.

That is, well, but half of our audience watches.

That's true.

Because you know what?

This isn't an ugly crew.

This is a good crew, you know.

I'm pretty bad.

If you only listen to audio and you want to know what Tim looks like, there's the five faces hoodie

coming next week.

Spitting image.

That is how he looks exactly.

Mischievous.

Yeah, yeah.

I was trying to.

God, I'm trying to make my jokes my

lose the buttons, Tim.

God damn it.

Got it.

All right, everybody.

Have a great, great weekend, everybody.

Buy that merch, subscribe.

Take a walk outside.

Don't think about politics all the time.

We will see you next week.

Good idea.

All right.

Bye, everybody.

You did it.

You got it.

Yeah, you did it.

Snuck it in there.