How to Win Gen Z Men Back

Hey, everybody, welcome back to the Find Out podcast.

We're coming to you on back-to-back days.

I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Governor Newsom yesterday, and we thought it would be great to follow up with a great friend of the show, someone that we've all become friends with recently over the past few months, and that is content creator and

Gen Z activist Olivia Juliana is here with us.

Olivia, thank you for joining us.

I mean, what a hell of a guest to follow up with.

I got some big hair to fill.

This is a, this is a big hair.

I mean,

can anybody compete with that?

I mean, let's be honest.

Like, he, you know, you know, he

looked good yesterday.

He even gave us a little, he was pulling his shirt down because Rich was making, talking about some of the memes that have been featuring him, and he was claiming that they were all real.

This video has been released already?

Yes.

Okay.

Just being sure.

I can go find it later.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So anyways, this is a good time to plug our YouTube and Substack.

If you're not watching us, those are your options.

Oh, I love it.

I don't have to do all the promotion.

It's great.

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Well, Olivia, I want to give some context for people people who may not know you yet.

You have been in progressive liberal politics for a while now, even as a Gen Z person.

One of the things that where you, I think, originally came to prominence was a little battle you had with Matt Gates.

And it's a good story about taking a...

terrible person and the terrible things that they say and turning it into real positive change.

So would you just share a little bit about this story?

Yeah, you know,

judge me not by my friends, but my enemies.

And my enemies within the Republican Party are many.

There are many.

But Matt Gates is definitely the one that people know the most about.

I've been doing reproductive freedom work

since I was about 17, around the time that I started doing social media.

In 2022, I had started to get really involved because Texas was kind of one of the first states to pass a civil bounty abortion ban.

And so, even before Roe was overturned, we had really bad abortion restrictions going into place.

And so, you know, I started talking about it a lot, got a little bit of attention for it.

And there was a story in the Washington Post about me and this Republican influencer and kind of the opposing sides of that.

Well, the story came out, and then I didn't really think there was much about it until I got a text one day from

one of my friends who said,

I hope you know Matt Gates is talking about you on Twitter right now.

And I was like, what are you talking about?

And so a few weeks prior to this, Gates had gone and spoken at this Turning Point USA rally where he talked about.

basically about how he thought like all abortion rights activists were ugly and short and fat and you know whatever uh and how they were all like 5'3.

well i tweeted at him and i was like actually you know i'm i'm 5'11 i'm 6'4 in heels and i wear them so small men like you are reminded

and

he ended up tweeting a photo of me from that washington post article in response to this uh this like i think it was newsmax or something like wrote an opinion piece about how you know gates's opponents were sure to be offended by something he had said.

So he used my photo, to which I was confused because I was like, I guess I'm your political opponent.

But it was very clear that it was an attempt of Gates to, you know, body shame me and use me as clickbait for his audience or whatever.

Right.

The problem for Mad Gates

is that I think he assumed because I was, you know, this very loud, vocal, you know, bisexual Latina liberal from Texas that I would have this very

triggered emotional response to him.

And I just quote tweeted him because at the time I was 19.

I was still a teenager.

I just graduated high school, you know?

And

he does dislike teenagers.

Yeah, I mean, let's be honest.

So you were too old for him.

Well, so

I quote tweeted him and I said, look, I know you're into teenagers, but 19 is pushing it, don't you think?

And from there, I just, I kind of had all this attention on me because people were like, oh, damn, like she just called him an alleged pedophile.

And this was right around the time,

you know, Roe was overturned.

So I just took this attention I had and we started raising money for abortion funds.

And it was me raising it in spite of Matt Gates, using him as the headline, posting memes about him, like me photoshopped as like the Undertaker standing behind him.

And people loved it.

It trended on Twitter.

And, you know, within five days, we were able to raise $2.3 million

for 50 bullets

across the country because of Matt Gates.

And

that's the part of the story everyone knows, or most people know.

Most people know that part of the story.

A lot of people don't know the second half of the story, which is that I met Gates after this.

Really?

Yes, I did.

Congratulations.

Thank God.

I was at the State of the Union in 2023.

I was a guest of Congresswoman Nanette Barragon.

And

me, after the, you know, the State of the Union was over, we came off the house floor.

She took me down there and

she was like, we should just stand here and you know, see what happens.

And Matt Gates walked toward us and she kind of like called him.

She's like, Matt, come here.

So he comes over to us.

And I can tell he doesn't know who I am at this moment.

So I stick my hand out and I shake his hand.

And he's like trying to introduce himself.

I'm like, I just want to say thank you for helping me raise all that money for abortion.

And he just like dropped my hand.

He was so pissed.

He started mumbling stuff and was like walking down the hall.

And I like, I yelled after him.

And I'm like, you're such such a loser, like not

realizing, like consciously realizing I am surrounded by U.S.

senators and members of Congress.

One in particular, who I won't name, because I doubt he remembers this, but he was walking by and he saw this interaction happen.

He started cackling, laughing.

He thought it was so funny.

And yeah, you know, ever since then, I've just been,

you know, I think I haunt his dreams.

And ultimately, I get the last laugh here because I get to still work on the Hill and Matt Gates is no longer a congressman.

So

I love Matt Gates' inability to recognize people because I used to be a lobbyist.

I used to, you know, walk around the Capitol a few times a week.

And I used to always see him

in the house buildings.

And I would just be like, hey, Matt.

and like wait for him to smile and wave and I'd be like, go fuck yourself.

Like, and I'm wearing a suit, right?

So he's like not expecting it.

And it, every single fucking time, every single time it caught him by surprise and he was like, like, what have I done?

He still doesn't know he's the bad guy.

Yeah, I'm sure.

I'm sure it was the suit and not the fact that you're a white guy with a beard that can.

Yeah, that too.

It's called the Ropa Dope right there.

I mean, honestly,

that is the biggest contribution that Matt Gates will make to this country is what is raising all that money for reproductive health.

And I think that's a fantastic thing for all of us to remember him for.

And also the fact that now he is out of Congress.

And what is he like a Newsmax contributor or some like nonsense?

He couldn't even get on Fox Nose all the way in.

He couldn't even get.

So like, for those who don't know, it's discount news.

That's the discount Newsmax, which Newsmax is the discount Fox News.

So you can kind of see where he ended up landing.

I mean, you know, it's crazy when he was basically the only

person that Trump wanted in his cabinet that couldn't get through.

And that's because all the Republicans hate Matt Gates, too.

So, but anyways, so

obviously, Olivia, you are Gen Z, Luke, Gen Z as well.

There was a big breaking news story yesterday that I want to get your thoughts on, which is a, is a really, really, it's both bad and hilarious in how stupid they were.

But Politico got a hold of about 28,000 text messages on Telegram, which is a Russian text messaging service.

Interesting choice.

What do you signal like the defense secretary.

Yeah, well, I mean, I think they were trying to support the homeland of Russia, right?

To use their platforms.

But anyways, so they, what the politico uncovered were 28,000 text messages amongst all of these

high-ranking members of these young Republican groups, these official groups, talking about like opponents going to gas chambers, racist comments about black Americans,

and basically just gleefully talking about things that are very pro-Hitler, which seems like a very weird thing to repeat.

I think one of them said, I love Hitler.

One of them said, I love Hitler.

One of them said,

when can we turn the gas chambers on?

One of them said, I love Hitler.

I mean, they're talking about going, somebody, he was trying to get elected to something, and he said, everyone who votes no is going to the gas chamber.

I mean, they talked about Jewish people.

They talked about watermelon people.

They used every

homophobic and racist slur that there is.

I mean,

it's like the race to the bottom.

This is a, this is a video game chat room is all this is like this is, this is the open mic night on on a, on a video game, in a video game lobby when everyone's anonymous.

Um, I've seen this stuff for 25 years, and I feel like I'm crazy when everyone's like, oh, it's just the fringe.

I'm like, no, that's, that's 100% of them.

That's

huge in the Republican Party.

Like, they're not the future of the Republican Party.

They're the current Republican Party.

Right.

Right.

Well, at least one of them is a member of the Trump administration.

At least one.

Or at least was.

Or was.

I mean, he's probably not in any part.

They keep getting fired.

More and more and more of them are getting fired.

It is always the ones you most respect.

Yeah.

Always.

Well, and like, I know this type of guy.

Like, I don't know these guys specifically, but like, I know the young Republicans that are working in politics.

And

like,

this is the rule, not the exception.

Yeah.

Right.

Like, they are, they are, are it it drives me crazy because i i don't know like i get a lot of flack from the right they try to paint me out to be this like caricature that they can use as a boogeyman for like you know young america whatever

uh i'm gonna say this and it's gonna sound really mean but i really don't care these guys are ugly losers like

They're they're not particularly good looking.

They're not particularly charming.

I wouldn't say they're particularly talented.

They are people who have failed up because,

like, to be honest, the cool vibe, like young Republicans that they're bragging about in like the New York magazine and they're bragging about having one back, like, those are people who are independent young people who swung to the right for this election.

They're not the young people who are working in Republican politics.

The young people who work in Republican politics are weird.

They're weirdos.

I'm not saying that we're not, but I'm saying at least we're self-aware about the fact that we're weird.

They think they're the cool kids, which is the saddest part of all of this.

Well, and I think that I very, very rarely think that it is appropriate to make fun of somebody for how they look.

But when you are a Nazi and you are talking about a mass that you are part of the master race and you look like some of the photos I saw, like mockery is the only thing you can do with that.

Because let's just say this is

and they're talking about how they other people should go to the gas chambers.

They're garbage humans.

Yeah, there's there's no I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.

But it's good to hear you guys because I think a lot of older folks like myself, hopefully older, but are worried about the swing that we saw of Gen Z voters, particularly mostly men, not really, not women, but the fact that so many of them swung right.

Do you feel like,

does this stuff matter to that audience that sees like, these are the people we aligned ourselves with?

Does it not matter?

Like, how do we, how do we basically use this to our advantage and show these people that, you know, they made a mistake and that's okay, but now it's time to come with us.

I think it's always trickier to

attribute something to a party when it's coming from the people who work in the party and not necessarily the elected officials themselves.

Yeah.

Like, I think all of this is extremely off-putting.

I think JD Vance's response to it was

that is very off-putting is he kind of he brought up

Jay Jones, you know, running for Attorney General in Virginia, terrible comments.

If I was a Virginia voter, I would be extremely confused and upset right now.

But he, he, J.D.

Vance brought it up and he said, you know, like,

I'm not worried about college group chats.

I'm not going to join in on the pearl clutching.

And the thing about Donald Trump that I think a lot of young men found very alluring, and I say this as somebody who despises the man, he can be very charming and very charismatic and very entertaining.

J.D.

Vance is not.

You know, I often say, nobody's storming the Capitol for Guyliner.

Okay.

Like, that's not happening.

And so

I think like a lot of young guys will like look and listen to J.D.

Vance and be like, eh.

You know, like it's not, he's not particularly captivating.

And like they see these people and then they see JD Mantzer's response, and like,

I mean, maybe there's a way of like, is this really what I want to be a part of?

But, like, the bottom line is, elections are about, or at least for young people right now, elections are about economics.

And if we can't connect this to a clear economic message, then it's, I don't think it's going to persuade voters in a particular way.

I think that one of the things that most people don't realize is that this has become so normalized that neo-Nazis like this have been working on Capitol Hill for people like Paul Gosar and Marjorie Taylor Greene.

And whether it was Kevin McCarthy in the past or Speaker Johnson now, none of the Republican leadership gives a shit.

I mean, Marjorie Taylor Greene and Gosar both spoke at Nick Fuentes, Nick Fuentes' neo-Nazi rally that they always have outside of CPAC.

Like,

this is so normal that they don't kick these people out of

house offices anymore.

We are all domestic terrorists above it.

Like, this is the mainstream shit we're dealing with.

Well, they all wore the lapel pins of AR-15s after Sandy Hook.

Or not all of them, but like a lot of them.

Wasn't that after Uvalde?

Uvalde.

But it was also after Sandy Hook.

Well, they didn't do anything for that either.

A very long series of AR-15 attacks, including ones where children died.

And then after all of these things are culminating, they just say, you know, let's just be trolls on the floor of Congress and they wear AR-15 pins after all these people have lost their kids.

No, there's a thing where it's like,

it's like competitive.

There's this competitive thing where they

one-up each other with like how

cancelable can you be?

And so, you know, when they say like, well, it's just boys being boys and locker room talk, like that's, that's where this is coming from because that, that kid's probably not in love with Hitler.

He probably doesn't want, like, if you showed him, if you took him to Buchenwald and you walked him through where they had gas chambers and you showed him the places that they used to

cart the corpses around, he would probably at least think about what he's talking about.

But when you get these kids in these safe basement text exchanges at their mom's house and they've never seen or felt or witnessed real trauma in their entire lives, it feels completely inconsequential.

And I say this because I'm in a red state.

I've lived with these literal exact types of people my entire life.

And they just don't care.

They just don't care.

They don't get it.

They don't care.

They don't, they think, well, I'm not hurting anybody.

It's just a joke.

It's just words.

I strong disagree on that.

I mean, I...

I live in Telegram and I'm with these people and I like get to know them pretty well.

They do believe a lot of this shit and it starts off as a joke.

Like that is part of the radicalization pipeline.

It starts off as a joke and they start to internalize the joke and the hatred and the

general lack of empathy for human suffering.

And it does reach a point where their goal is to cause human suffering and it and it can be as ugly as actual real world violence.

So maybe not everybody in the chat was, you know, is an actual fucking Nazi, but there are probably a lot who

probably are a lot who really do genuinely

not just sympathize with this shit, but like immerse themselves in visual depictions of violence.

Like they,

this, this is how mass shooters are made.

Like this shit gets normalized.

And I definitely don't mean to wash their hands of any of it.

This, that's always where, this is always where it starts.

That is often and regularly where it finishes is some sort of atrocity.

And there's real damage in what just happened.

I mean, like to the to the world, like we have to all come to grips with the fact that there are hundreds of these people there across the country.

I mean, they, they are actual active monsters right now.

Whether they're physically hurting somebody or not is in the future or it's not in the future.

So I don't, certainly don't mean to pretend that this isn't a problem.

It's a problem that I think a lot lot of these kids, they have a choice right now.

Are you going to take an off-ramp and not continue down that pipeline to become a monster?

Or are you just going to double down and recommit and call yourself a victim like the president would do?

Well, I mean, the vice president of the United States.

Yeah, your vice president just said that it's pro-clutching to be offended at horrific comments about gas chambers and murdering Jews.

Like

these motherfuckers already started with the, with the, well, this, it's not really that bad.

I mean, one of the ones that got exposed is like, well, they use, they, you know, they did this in a back alley way that they wanted to expose me.

He didn't apologize.

No.

He said it's, they used a bad way of getting it.

You know, they hacked something.

Finding criminals or, or monsters has to be done ethically.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, you know, like Matt Walsh was one of these people who tweeted about this and was like, you should, you know, personally reach out to someone if you have a problem with what they're saying.

And, you know, I responded by saying, I think the reason why so many of these Republicans are reacting like this is because they're worried that they're next.

Yep.

What you said in group chats.

Think what the young ones are doing.

Think about what the old ones are doing.

Oh, my God.

Or have done.

Yeah, before the internet

in group chats that you don't want us to know about.

And, you know, look, I have empathy for the reality of the situation that we're living in.

And I understand, you know, young people can become radicalized because of, you know, a number of factors.

Me personally, I choose to bully these people

because I think they should be bullied.

Like I think bullying works.

Controversial opinion.

As someone who has been bullied my entire life,

I'm going to say I get a pass to say that.

And for a lot of these young people, these Republicans, who frankly, I think are getting a taste of their own medicine with the body shaming and the photoshopping, the video editing, how does it taste?

How does it taste?

And how does it feel?

Because I've been dealing with it since I was 17.

And if I can deal with it for five, six years and I don't crack under the pressure at all and you guys crack after two or three days, tell me which part of you think is weak and which one is strong.

Right, right.

Well, it's interesting you say that because I think, Luke, I want to get your thoughts on this, but like, you know, the older of us have always lived in a world in which, you know, I think we have, we have.

both been told and told people that that going after or shaming people is just going to drive them further to the edges.

And I think that, you know, for some demographics, that could be true.

But Luke, you know, talk a little bit about like your sort of similar example with

going after some of these vile people and actually the positive responses that you've gotten.

I mean, it's always been my belief that sometimes these motherfuckers are so entrenched in the bullshit that they believe that sometimes you have to grab a hold of them and go, look, you sack of shit, that dude is balls deep in a fucking futon telling you about how it's called with the Nazi.

Like,

you can't be part of that anymore, or you're a piece of shit.

And, you know, I've gotten a fair amount of positive responses from that.

Well, I think so, Tim, I don't, I don't think of it so much as an age or generational thing.

I think of it as a party thing because this is how those people communicate.

And this is how they have always communicated.

This is how they communicate with each other.

If you look in that, in that, that, that text thread, many of the messages are, are at each other.

They're calling each other these names.

Right.

Because this is how they communicate.

I mean, this is every locker room in every red state, in every high school, everywhere, all of the time.

They are, they viciously, viciously bully each other.

I mean, that's where homophobic slurs are just every third word.

Yeah.

And, and because for them, the worst thing you can be is weak and gay.

And so they just, they just berate each other.

So we are just speaking their language.

We're not using the homophobic and the racist and the sexist slurs.

You use big boy words and big girl words, big people words.

Sorry, trying to say it correctly here.

But

you have to communicate the way that they communicate, whether it's Gen Z or whether it's some old crusty bastard who's been racist his entire life,

you know,

you don't say, well, grandpa, that's a marginalized person.

He'll say, quit being a pussy, and then he'll slap you.

And so you got to, you got to figure out how to break through that.

You have to communicate with them back the way they communicate with each other.

Otherwise, they don't hear the message.

They just hear a fucking nerd from the university.

Well, it's fun.

I can give you an example.

I had a back and forth with Tim Poole bald last week.

No offense, Chris.

No offense, Chris.

I'm almost.

I'm almost there.

It works for you.

Tim Poole covers it up because he knows it doesn't work for him.

I had a a back and forth with him last week, and he got mad because I, this is mean, I said,

can't tell if this is you or Putin both bald.

And he got mad and he said that he was like, I never commented on the way that you looked.

And Milo Yiannopoulos jumped in the comments

and was like, he was like, I will.

And then he added me.

And I responded and said, if if I wanted to have my looks insulted by a self-denying gay man, I'd prefer it be Benny Johnson.

So many layers.

Myla responded and said, it is really hard to hate you.

And then followed me and messaged me.

Oh, really?

Yes.

And I spent a good five minutes, five, ten minutes chatting.

And I'm like, this is fucking weird.

But

that is a line of communication that wouldn't have existed if I hadn't

been a

pushover.

So I do, I do want, I don't know if people know who that is.

I think people know Tim Poole.

Tim Poole was one of the guys last year that was actually accepting $400,000 per month from the Russian government, though.

It went through a series of LLCs.

So he and Benny Johnson and a couple others were like, oh, we didn't know we were getting, what, what is that, $5 million a year or whatever from this random ass group.

But Milo is somebody that has been around a lot longer and actually is somebody

I believe that said that pedophilia was fine.

And that was one of the, right?

Milo is like coming from the world that I study.

So Milo Yiannopoulos used to be an opinion writer for Breitbart back when

the alt-right was a new thing.

And like, remember the Tiki Torch marchers?

Like, that is who Milo is.

He's, he's an alt-right

propagandist.

He used to do what Charlie Kirk was famous for.

He would go to college campuses and say racist slurs and then generate, you know,

clips and say like, oh, Milo owns Lib.

Right.

He eventually got kicked out of the like far right politics or the right politics because he came and said on a podcast that he he appreciated pedophile priests because they gave him a lot of opportunities to learn things when he was young.

Oh my God.

Right.

So he endorsed pedophilia live on a podcast.

And then he tried to come back in years, years later after kind of like disappearing, tried to come back in saying, oh, I've converted myself.

I'm now a Catholic.

So he's trying to like wrap himself around the Nick Fuentes brand of like groipers to find a new way back in.

And now that Charlie Kirk is no longer, Milo has said he is going to step back in and start doing these college tours again.

Oh, great.

He's just insane.

He's insane.

Like as I'm, as I'm talking to him, I'm just like,

and like, I, by the way, if for some reason he ever posted these messages or whatever, that's fine with me.

Cause like, I

kind of, I was kind of pissing on him the whole time.

Like he was like, he was like, you see, like, he was like, you see me.

Cause I, I did, I, full disclosure, you know, I, when I was younger, bare, I was on the precipice of falling into the all-ray pipeline when I was a kid.

Um, you know, I used to watch Milo and Candace and I think his name was like Paul Joseph Watson.

Like, these are people

that guy.

I was like 12, 13 years old.

And so with Milo, I was like, God, I said, you know, I like, I used to watch your content and I learned how to be an insufferable bitch from the best.

And he was like, you see me.

And I was like, you are speaking his exact language.

And I was like, I see you in the way that, you know, you drive past a car accident, you can't help but look.

Like, it's, and like, I'm saying these things to him.

And it's just like,

that's just how these people are.

Like, they need to feel like, you know, it almost makes them feel like you're friends when you talk to them like that.

That's how they talk to each other.

That's how they talk to their friends.

It works.

I can't tell you how many times because you know, I've gone to college campuses and I've organized and stuff in you know different states.

And

I get a lot of shit.

I get a lot of shit from the right because they made up this whole rumor about like I was capped to win back young men by the DNC.

All bullshit.

Total rumor, not true.

But it blew up and they put it on like Fox News and it was on all of these right-wing YouTube shows.

But the core message that I said said was completely true.

And what I said is, I was like, look, young men are not ideologically rigid, conservative.

A lot of them are pro-choice.

They're cool with gay marriage.

They supported the concept of Black Lives Matter.

And they decided to attack me, attack me, attack me.

And Donald Trump Jr.

was one of them who was talking about me.

And I responded and I was just like, you guys are pussies because like you're trying to take away from the argument that I'm making here.

And the argument that I'm making here is y'all don't actually give a shit about young men.

And you're going after me because you're worried that if enough people on the left, and maybe this time, it's not from me.

Maybe it's from someone like Luke.

If enough people on the left, especially young guys on the left, start saying the shit that I'm saying, you're worried that you're going to lose these people that you think you have a lock on because you know what I'm saying is true.

Yeah.

I think it's so important to speak that language because they're, especially the young, I was, I was 18, not that long ago, 17, 18, like

I'm 43, Tim.

I'm not 150 years old, man.

That's

that, there's, there's a, there's a bit of troll that lives in every teenager's head.

And if, when you find people who can't hang, who are so scared, so intimid, like you, sometimes you just say fuck as shock value, just to see, like, you know, you at the mall or wherever you're at and right

and and

you do say for shock value sometimes but

but that's completely normal and so when you encounter somebody who is just like

automatically everything else about them becomes annoying and and it's like i jesus you what's wrong with you you can't even hear the word what else are you terrible at what else what else is broken in your head And so

when you show, oh, no, I can hang.

Like, if you do you want to speak that language, you want to do that?

We can, we can do that.

We can also talk about football.

We can talk about whatever the hell you want.

Violent video games, like action movies, sure, all of those things.

Nothing is going to shock me.

Suddenly, they realize, oh, well, you're not one of them.

You're not one of those soft snowflake lefties.

I'm like, you created that caricature in your head because really, we're all still just people, but we've let them sort of like this reaction to the text thread.

Don't the correct reaction is not, I'm so shocked, this is abhorrent, everybody needs to condemn this.

That's the academic, like, that's the MSNBC response.

The correct response is, a bunch of fucking little losers got caught being little losers together.

And now everybody knows, and a bunch of people are going to get fired, and maybe they won't be fucking idiots next time.

Then you can move on.

And I, uh, and I, I have to jump soon.

So I'll leave, you know, my parting thought.

Um,

I, you know, I think I, people don't give me enough credit for like actually understanding young men.

And it's understandable because I'm not a man, you know, I get it, but um, I had eight brothers.

I'll do it.

My parents worked in a children's home.

And, you know, I had eight brothers who were not biologically mine and who I still consider brothers to this day.

And, you know, I talk to them all the time and I grew up around them.

And And like, it's part of the reason why I feel like I have been able to be so effective, not just as a content creator on the left, but to be able to kind of broad reach out to people.

Um, because you know, I look around at and I think, you know, who are prominent Gen Z Democratic figures on the left who are women who have the platform size that I have?

There's not a lot of them.

And it's, because it's, it is really hard to deal with that level of scrutiny.

You have to have a certain kind of mentality to be able to do it um that being said rich i completely agree with you and um yes i i will continue to call donald trump jr a pussy and also i scored 144 points in my fantasy football game this past week oh i that's good

that's a big number i thank you thank you um Kansas City Chiefs, because I have several of their players on my team.

Yes, including Harrison Butker.

I am so sorry.

He's not even a good kicker anymore.

You missed that.

I drafted the highest ranked people that I could in that position because I didn't give a shit about him.

I thought it was funny, especially because if I do win, you know, God willing,

I will make money off of him.

And I think that that is poetic justice.

Okay.

I'll take it.

I'll take it.

Well, let me.

None of that makes any sense to me.

I have no idea what just happened.

Zach loves football.

Yeah.

I'm bummed Zach isn't here today because he would have talked football.

Yeah, but we would have heard about the Chiefs for like 20 minutes.

Oh, that's true.

This is the thing.

It's like, yes, I'm a young woman.

I talk about the people don't believe me.

I'm like, I am 22 years old.

I think people expect me to have this certain set of hobbies that I'm interested in.

My hobbies are on Mondays and Friday nights, I watch Raw and SmackDown.

I watch WWE.

On Sundays, I'm watching football.

And

I listen almost exclusively outside of like female rapper Taylor Swift to 80s rock music because in high school, I had a single dad.

So like I

have, well, parents divorced, long story.

But that's kind of like my, those critical years are very much like a, like he was, she was a son.

So it's, it's brought me to this point, but um, I I think it helps me understand a lot of the stuff that we're dealing with.

I'm grateful for the experience.

And I'm grateful that there are wonderful men out there who have great belief systems, who use their platforms to advocate for good, including all of you.

I think you're all wonderful and you're great role models.

And Luke, Luke, in the inevitable Democratic primary, we're running against each other for president.

No hard feelings.

Joint ticket.

Joint ticket.

Come on.

Well, someone's got to be the VP that comes in second at the primary.

Come on.

Wow, that's true.

That's true.

No hot feelings, Luke, but

thank you all for letting me come on today.

I appreciate it, and I will be happy to come back anytime.

Well, Olivia, thank you very much.

And it's been so great to get to know you over the last few months and really excited to stay friends and work and try to get this House and Senate back and also the presidency.

And Olivia, thank you very much.

And everyone, if you're not following her, please go follow her.

She is a great follow.

And we had some fun the other day when she didn't realize that there are moose in the lower 48.

And I'm from Maine and we have a whole bunch.

There may be an AI video that I made of me riding a moose.

I don't believe y'all.

I tell you, I'm telling you, it is a real thing.

But, anyways, Olivia, I know you got to jump.

So thank you very much.

And, you know, we'll have you back very soon.

Bye.

All right.

Bye, y'all.

Bye.

Oh, she's always a fun hang.

Yeah, she's fun.

Yeah, she's, she's, she's really good.

So, well, guys, this has been a big week for us you know we had the uh

newsom olivia uh the reaction to those have been really great and um you know i think uh i think i think we've we've uh done pretty well for ourselves so i don't think there's much else we need to talk about but there is one more thing guys that we didn't talk about with the newsom and that was our merch how good it is

And Luke didn't invite anyone to get fucked.

And Luke didn't invite anyone to get fucked.

Do you want to do a gift?

Do you have one?

i haven't gotten to watch the episode yet but i heard that luke was called an asshole by the gardener

yes because luke that's a point of honor for me actually is your joke was great because what was it uh did you not have any money in the budget for a fortnight coach is that the uh that was the line

oh that was pretty good um

but yeah guys uh we got to push that merch because you know people are buying it left and right and someday we're going to see somebody on the street with one of our things i i do have one on it's very hard to see.

I have the um, the five faces, but they're hidden today because it's a little cold in New York.

Oh, there we go.

I have the OG shirt.

The OG.

I have a question.

Um, yes, Rich.

Last night, both of my kids begged for a five faces.

Actually, my daughter said, I don't want um five dudes on my

on my clothing when I go to school.

So, so she wants um, she wants the lemon tree, the apple tree.

Um,

but my son very very much wants the five faces hoodie to wear to school, but they both wear children's sizes, and we don't have children or young adult sizes on our website.

So I'm curious, how many

do kids, do people, do our listeners, kids want to wear

podcast merch, or is that just a thing where I need to just like go screen print some stuff for my own kids?

Because I think it costs some money, right, Chris, to add youth sizes?

So I don't believe that the print to order, we're not moving enough gear yet to do like an order of a thousand hoodies.

So we're somewhat limited.

I do think that one of the options are infant clothing,

but

our stuff runs,

I think, quite fitted.

The hoodies are quite fitted.

So a small might be good for

a pre-teen, a teenager.

I think my daughter could wear a small, but my son would definitely need like a, I 8-10 or something.

I think

you can get him an extra large and call it a sleeping bed.

Yeah, there you go.

That's actually the trend right now with Alpha.

They are all wearing, like, they just look like little early 90s kids.

They all look like they listen to Nirvana, kind of like Gen Z's, a little bit like that.

Yeah, what is the Nirvana?

They're super baggy clothes.

They all wear their Nirvana shirts, but is that because they know the band or they just like the shirt?

No, it's the 90s aesthetic.

It's the grunge aesthetic, like Jinko jeans and baggy stuck dragging on the ground and hoodies that are like XL.

My daughter's hoodies are routinely bigger than mine and she weighs like 100 pounds.

Can you tell your children that Find Out was a cool band in the 90s and then maybe they'll buy all of our merchandise?

It was Ellis and Chains Nirvana Super Group.

Yes.

Yes.

I love it.

Yes, all of our merchandise is made in America and is union printed.

And you can get yours at findoutpodcast.com.

You can also subscribe to our sub stack or even to our YouTube,

which the sub stack is findoutpodcast.substack.com.

And then our YouTube is just at FindOut Podcast.

So with that, guys, I think we're going to wrap.

Great week, everybody.

This kind of felt like a step forward for us into a new, bigger world, which is really, really exciting.

And we just want to thank everybody for tuning in and supporting us along the way and

just continue to do bigger and bigger things.

And

let's take that house to the Senate back next year.

So thank you, everybody.

Have a wonderful weekend, and we will be back on Tuesday.