A Blue Tsunami Is Forming

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the Find Out podcast.
You just got the five of us today, and we got lots of stuff to talk. I know.
I know. The guests.

Oh, God. A bunch of lamos.
It's always nice to have someone hold them accountable.

well five white guys let's talk just just spewing um

first topic is that i by now everybody knows that uh

that the uh tennessee seventh uh race uh was called for the republican uh afton bain ended up losing by about eight points i believe but

That is actually, and I did a video about this yesterday. This is actually good news for Democrats.

Who wants to take it first? Or do you agree with me? Is this good news? Because it feels like good news to be. No, I mean, it's good news.
It's just not great news. Yeah, that's fair.
I mean,

these are the kinds of districts where I've lived my entire life. And so I'm used to this.
And typically, what this kind of thing looks like is it's like Joe versus the Volcano.

Like you just chuck a body into

the lava, and that's the rate. Like, that's what happened.
And nobody, you forget who even ran. Like, you don't, these are not contested seats in any election ever.

When it's a 20-point margin, you, you just, you, you get somebody who, you know, can put their name on the ballot, and they do that, and they go through the motions.

They raise $12,000, you know, in this cycle, and they lose, and everybody says, you know, okay, that's what happens.

That this ever became a thing. This wasn't even supposed to be a thing worth discussing like a month ago.

We knew, we all knew this was coming, but it was only because of how effective Afton Bain was in talking to what is really almost entirely rural Tennesseans outside of Nashville.

It's only because of how effective she was in making the case and

that this even was worth talking about, let alone something where it was like, holy shit, could we actually pull this off? So,

you know, I don't think any of the insiders expected her to win. But when you start seeing polling in the single digits, you go, fuck, like, is this maybe, is this, is this the ceiling?

But, you know, we're still living in reality. And there's still a lot of really difficult voters out there who have been lied to chronically for 50 and 60 years.

And most of those people are the, you know, the rural voters that they're not listening to our podcast. They're not paying attention, you know, closely to the news.
They're living their normal lives.

And they should be. Takes time.

Have we said Afton Bain's name on this podcast before?

Yeah, we talked about it last week. Yeah,

she said, go vote. Okay.
All right.

But, I mean, she, she ran a phenomenal campaign. She's an awesome, awesome candidate.
I hope we see more of her. Because I was going to say, I don't know that I have ever heard her name before.

That's how little I was aware that this. I knew there was a race in the 7th district or whatever.

But I don't think that most of our listeners

are probably following this as closely as some of the hosts.

I don't know what she ran on. I never saw a commercial.

So she's actually quite progressive, I think, which was a really interesting.

She's even endorsed by the DSA, which is the Democratic Socialist Association, which is kind of crazy. Yeah, AOC endorsed her.
And

she was not running from the left. She wasn't one of those things.

And this is a plus 22, meaning

Donald Trump won a year ago with 22 points in that district.

And the fact that we got it down to eight and a half, which that means that anything that is in the Republican plus 14 and below, theoretically is a get.

And I think this guy, Matt Whitlock, who was a McConnell guy for a long time and is on Twitter, basically said, like, if those numbers hold next year in the midterms, that this will be a bigger Democratic wave than we saw in 2018, which is when we saw the Democrats come back into power in the House.

I think, did we take their, I can't remember if we took the Senate or not, but we took the House.

And this, they're like already looking at this as being bigger than that. And that was a big night.
I think Democrats gained 20, 25 seats.

Something like that.

So it matters. And, you know, in the district, there were millions of dollars that were spent.

And the Republican, I don't know, the Republican House Committee or whatever it is, had to spend millions of dollars for Matt Van Epps.

And that's another reason why it's a win is because every time you make Republicans spend money in a district that they should win, it's less money that they can put into those much closer races.

And it's also, I think we're going to probably see some more Republican retirements because all of the, if you read the DC trade press, sadly, like I do,

they are basically saying that

if it was going to be a single-digit loss, that that would be a worst case scenario for the Republicans.

Well, that's how this seat got open because it was like didn't this guy just get elected a year ago like like less than a year

and so he he I was like did he get appointed so I did some research on this yesterday and um he just left for a private sector job he just didn't want to be in the house any so he just fucked off midterm like he he he won and then like he couldn't even last the two-year cycle and um so like yeah

they spent a million dollars to defend this seat last year they spent five million dollars to defend it 12 months later in a special election.

If they are spending $5 million to defend 22-point seats in Tennessee,

they're fucked.

They're fucked. The people,

people

who have money, they don't actually like just fucking dumping it into a void. The people who are funding these campaigns,

this is not sustainable. There are, what, how many seats are there in the House?

235. Right, but like, so 218, right? Republicans.

I was doing the Republican math. 218 Republican seats that are all up for re-election.
They can't go out and drop five times the normal spend on every seat to defend it next year.

How much did it survive? And the press go up in spending?

I don't know how much it went up. I mean, it surely went up a thousandfold, but they still were well overspent.

It looks like it's like two and a half, maybe $3 million spent by the left and over 5 million total spent by the right, including multiple visits from Donald or multiple appearances, virtual and in person from Trump.

Mike Johnson went there. This is like they pulled out every stop to save a 22-point solid red district.
No. No, Trump can't be.
I mean, Trump, Trump probably was

a net drag, honestly, here, but

they can't get Trump to appear. multiple times.
Can you imagine what that would do to his poor health? You know, be the end. We should, let's hope for it then.

218 visits. It's impossible.
I mean,

when you couple that with this just nightmare that his like, he's just having a nightmare messaging perspective from affordability.

When you put those two things together, this Republican Party has to be shaking at the potential of how bad this could be.

I mean, especially with what we saw, what, you know, a few weeks ago, really, it was just like eye-opening how bad this could really be for them. So I don't know what they're going to do.

Like strategically, it's so difficult with the House because you have, you know, every single race is up. What are you going to do? You have to pick and choose, you know, and

the other element of it is like, I don't think they're going to be very good at fundraising in general. Like, they have a bunch of dissatisfied MAGAs.
What do you mean?

The people who don't have the money to put food on the table aren't going to be getting their pocketbooks out to donate to some no-name fucking Republican candidate they've never heard of?

They're fucked. Do you think all the guy that they elected calls the affordability a Democrat hoax?

Wait, sorry, say that again, Chris? I'm wondering if Elon Musk is going to be anywhere near as involved in this election as he was in the last because he got it. He got his.
He got his.

He got to go in and steal all the information and he got to fire the inspectors general and he's not.

He lost his own. He's still going to protect himself from regulations.
So he still needs Republicans to stay in the House and Senate. Yeah.

I saw an interview with him like on TikTok I think today where he was asked about his involvement in politics and they're like, do you think it was a bad thing? He's like, yes, I think I did.

It was like a net fucking drag on my life and I'm out. That was pretty much his perspective.
I think he just negotiated like a trillion dollar payout from Tesla.

I don't have the fine print in front of me. I don't think I

will ever have done that.

It's actually the opposite of what you'd expect. Like it's actually

like, you need to be way better. And if you are, we'll make you a trillionaire.
But like he needs to literally 8X what Tesla does now to see any of that money. Like

it's all nonsense, just to incentivize him to be better at his job. That makes sense.

Where I'm thinking is, like, I wouldn't be surprised if they said, like, please don't go back into the political arena and stop doing Nazis. Fuck everything up.
100%.

So, I, if he wants that,

he's going to be needing to focus really, really hard on his fucking day job, like he didn't do for the first half of this year. Yeah.
No, he's, he's focused on Tesla.

I mean, but look, even with or without him, Tesla's fucked because they have a thousand competitors. So, Elon Musk is, you know, they're all doomed.
It's great. And we're all watching the slow doom.

It's great. It's, it's, this is just the cost of accountability.
You know, they, they asked for all the power. They took it.
And now I was looking at the ACA facts for Tennessee. Um,

611,000 Tennesseans are on subsidized ACA plans, 650 or so thousand in the marketplace in Tennessee. 611,000 on subsidized plans.

Their average increase, average increase is $16,000 per person per year. Jesus.
So if you've got a family in Tennessee on an ACA plan, four people, I mean,

you're talking $40,000, $50,000. That's right.
$1,000 a year.

It's like, it's unspeakable. I mean, it's going to get it.
You just fucking have health insurance. You just don't.
Yeah. You think people in

Linden, Tennessee, with a thousand people and one stoplight, you think they got $40,000 laying around so that they can have a $5,000 deductible plan. It's so fucked.
Fucking insane.

And this is the Republican healthcare plan, concepts of the Republican health care plan. Well, their concept is always like, just, well, as long as they have catastrophic coverage, it's fine.

It's like, yeah, but regular life.

Well, the interesting thing for me, though, is like when you go down there, I don't know if any of you have spent like real, I guess Zach lives in the South.

If you talk to a lot of like the construction workers or laborers type shit, they shit on health insurance the same way they shit on fucking unions. They've convinced themselves that

it's actually a hoax. They're just stealing money from you.
You don't need it. Just run out the hospital when you get hurt after you get treated.
Don't give them your ID.

Like, there's a lot of people who think that way.

It's true. I mean, you know, luckily I'm in a blue city, so I don't get exposed to a lot of that stupidity.
But, you know, when you amble out into the outskirts, you're like, ooh, they exist.

They really exist. It's Trump compounds and a bunch of bullshit.
You know, it's crazy. But yeah, I mean, I don't know.

At a certain point, this is sort of what I've been saying over and over again: of like, they have to feel the pain. It's just part of the fucking process.
And here we are.

And unfortunately, we're going to have a lot of people that

are probably listeners and people that are on the right side of this whole thing where they're going to get hurt too. And that's the downside of it.
But like, we have to learn our lesson here.

We can't just like hear a cute little sales pitch from a fucking orange moron and go, sounds great, let's do it.

And then, you know, not pay the price for not paying attention to the details, which you spend five minutes, you'd figure out he's a fucking con man.

Well, I think that it's becoming very, very clear that the

climate for in the midterms next year is not going to be favorable to him whatsoever.

And he is doing all kinds of crazy shit right now because his polling numbers are sitting in the mid-30s, which is the

income tax. Didn't you hear?

Federal income tax is going to be gone. He's going to pay for it with tariff income.
Replace it with tariff income. Yeah, which is the most aggressive form of taxes.

Which I think I saw something that it was like, in order to cover that, the tariffs would have to be like eight to 10 times higher than they already are, or some sort of

I've heard enough, sign it into law, do it.

I pay the tariff today. I have shit coming from, like, I was ordering store for my house coming from Europe, and it's like, you need to pay this tariff, or your shit ain't getting delivered.

I'm like, oh, cool, that's great. I love it.
Cool, awesome.

You know what, though? I actually appreciate them putting the tariff in that way instead of just like working it into the bar.

If Amazon would put tariff charge at the bottom of every fucking order,

people would lose their goddamn minds. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
They, well, and they thought about it and then they backed off. I'm like, why'd you back off? They had it for a little while.
Do the thing.

Well, DHL does it. I'll tell you that.

So go ahead.

So before we get off, Tennessee,

because, yeah, Zach, like, I love what you called out that, you know, they do have to feel the pain.

I think, you know, what we hear in our comments and what we hear from people a lot of this, the more cynical side is like, yeah, but they're never going to flip their vote.

In Davidson County, which is the home, home to Nashville,

Matt Van Epps got 9,000 votes.

Jesus. Donald Trump got 102,000 votes in Davidson County in 2024.
A 92% drop in turnout for Van Epps. And of course,

Bain is from Nashville, but it's still like Republican in Nashville is still a Republican in Nashville. So

a 92% drop in voter turnout. So

these people,

Bain,

I got to pull it up. So Bain got 33,000 so far.
They're 95% in. So she got 33,000 compared to Van Epp's 9,000, 78,000 to 22 point victory.

She shifted the most liberal county in Tennessee another 20 points to the left

because of the suppressed turnout.

And that's what I want people to remember is a lot of people are just not going to go vote to support, especially in the midterms, which is it's a referendum on the party in power always.

There are millions of people because turnout was way down in Tennessee, even though this got a lot of attention, a lot of money, turnout was way down.

There are millions of people who are just going to say, you know, I'm not going to vote for the liberal leftist woke whatever, but I'm also not going to get off my ass and go and vote to advance this agenda that continually fucks me over.

Yeah. And I mean, like, the main, like, I don't even focus on Republicans.
I could give a fuck about them.

It's the independence that I'm interested in because, like, really, if you look at, like, Tim said, like, his numbers are in the mid-30s overall but his numbers of independence are atrocious like mid-20s oh yeah so bad terrible and like when you look at the the exit the exit polls for the election he won independence or tied in certain places but it was a close race and now he would get a just obliterated for okay that's that's the make or break well and the final thing on afton i think which is really important is that first of all one it just shows how hard it is to win gerrymander districts and they do this on purpose to make it very difficult that they've actually split uh nashville into three different congressional districts so that there is not a Nashville-specific one.

But the other thing with her is that she made gains in every single county. So, like, even in the Ruby, Ruby, Ruby, Red places,

she

shrunk the margins. And this is going to be important in the midterms.
One, because,

Rich, you're right, that the special elections are funny and like people just don't understand and they don't get as much.

But next year, or next year, when all of the lower ballot elections are happening as well,

you might not win a congressional district, but you might pick off a state legislator or city council member. Like these things matter greatly.
So it's going to be really interesting to see.

She ran a great campaign. Everybody should be super proud and very, very excited.
Seems to say weird to be excited in a loss, but it is true.

Like the likelihood of her winning that was like almost, it would be almost impossible.

So, but anyways, so like the Republicans are freaking out today.

Donald Trump is oscillating between

like saying that the affordability crisis is a Democratic hoax to sleeping in cabinet meetings, waking up, and then yelling again, and then dozing off again.

And this is the president of the United States, everybody. The guy who was very, very mad last week when the Times came out with an article that showed that his schedule has gotten shorter.

All his stuff is during the day. His day starts at like 12, 12, 11 or something like that.
He wanders down or waddles down. I can get on that schedule.
No, I know, right? And he got all mad about it.

And then he had a cabinet meeting, what, Monday or Tuesday? And he's like, Marco Rubio's like spouting off about how great Trump was. From like a foot away from him.
That was the first title.

He kept saying the president to try and wake him up. Yeah, he's not really emphasizing the words.

He needed to say like gold or dictator. Like those are president is not the trigger word for Trump.
You need to wake him up with like. You got to go, sir, the Epstein Epstein list got released.
Right.

Wide awake. Eugene Carroll's lawyer is on the phone.
Fuck. Yeah.

But, like,

you know, that, you know, Trump knows that he is losing when he starts to just go crazy and throw things out the wall, right? Yeah. And like, all of these.

You mean like schizo posting on social media? Yeah. How many 50 times?

150 posts and in 60 minutes, like 1 a.m. That's crazy.
On true social. So it's like you're not swaying anybody with that, right? I would call a doctor if either of my parents ever did that

for any reason ever.

It could be World War III. And if they posted 150 times on the internet at one in the morning, I would immediately call a doctor and say that you're anxious or not well.
It's like that meme, right?

Where it's like they have this picture of this old lady in a walker, and there's a young person, and the old lady's like saying something.

In this case, it'd be Donald Trump being like, the election was rigged. And the young person's like, let's get you back to bed, grandpa.

Somebody come get their grandpa, goddamn it. Yeah.

I, I know.

Yeah. The affordability thing.
I was, I was pulling up the receipts.

November 29th, all caps. You know, everything is all caps.
But he, he, first, he reduced drug prices by 500, 600, 700%.

Somebody tell the president you can't lower something more than 100%.

Yeah, are the pharmaceutical companies paying us for these percentage of being aware? Clinical trials, it's great. Drop by 100%.

So then he ends it. Tywan all gives you autism, so they should pay you

for that.

Still waiting for that lawsuit against the administration for

somebody, somebody's going to get sued or paid off eventually, but it'll never be settled quietly. But like, so then, but so they hang on.

So then he ends it with: I am the affordability president, all caps, talk loudly and proudly, President DJT. This is November 29th at 6 a.m apparently he's

and a whole like two days later he's in the cabinet meeting saying that the democrat that affordability doesn't mean anything to anyone that it's like a fake word yes and that it's a total hoax democrat hoax

what are we doing with this this is a man who thinks he invented the word groceries two years ago an old-fashioned word

oh god well i mean look if you look back to the beginning of trump back all the way back in 2017, he inherited a really good economy from Barack Obama.

And he just coasted on that shit for years and pretended like he did something. And that whole time, and then he had the excuse of, well, COVID fucked me in the end.

And nobody looked at him, you know, sideways from that shit. And then the economy, you know, the world economy fell apart because of COVID.
And he blamed Biden for it.

And now he's inheriting what he was complaining about with Joe Biden. And he has that.

The truth of the matter is this guy has literally done nothing but damage to the economy, but the economies he's been dealing with have been so strong that it doesn't really matter.

And now he's realizing, oh, shit, I can't do anything. And now he's really against the word.
I can't fix it. The word doesn't mean anything anymore.
The word is attacking me.

Wasn't there an article in The Economist last like last fall, I think it was before the election? And The Economist is not

generally favorable to left-leaning political.

And they added that the

cover was America's economy or America is the envy of the world.

And it is because of what Biden and the Democrats in Congress did to get us out of the COVID disaster. And yes, that did spike inflation, but the other option was us falling off a complete cliff.

And so, yes, and also our inflation was lower than almost the entire Western world that were doing similar things. And recovered faster.
And recovered faster, right?

And like all, it's so funny because in the first term and the second term with Trump, all he had to do was sit on his fucking hands and he would add approval ratings in the 50% ranges above because, like, he would just coast off of Obama or coast off of Biden.

And with COVID, he had a like, I remember when that was all happening at the early, early, early stages, and he wasn't being super crazy.

I was like, if he rallies the country around this, we're fucked. Yep, he'll win.
And instead,

he went to his worst instincts, bleach, bleach, and then like he got COVID and he almost like died. And then pulls off the mask.

Pulls off the mask and like has a no mask with all the secret service agents in there in the truck or in the van. Like, yeah.
And then lied about it, right? They lied about how sick he was.

And like he was, there were moments, I think they said to the, his physician said to him because he didn't want to leave the oval. And they said to him, you have two choices.

One, you walk out of here right now.

Or two, in about four hours, you're going to walk out or you're going to go out of here on a gurney. Which image do you want? And that's true.
That happened.

And then you went, I wish you had a lot of money. And then that's when he

lumbered, when he lumbered up to Marine One.

I would like to thank whoever gave him COVID. However, that happened.

I mean, they were all giving it to each other. I mean, Herman Cain died because of a Trump rally.
Yes, he did. Forgot about Herman Cain.

Yeah, remember that guy? Do you know they kept tweeting from his account also afterwards? And people were like, how is he?

He's dead.

It's probably more coherent after. That's right.

That's all I think. But anyways, like, what, but what's crazy, right, is there is no, they have no plan.
They have nothing

to solve this problem.

You can't. Right, there is no solution.

You need deflation. I mean, you need deflation, which means you need to stop the tariffs.
Like, that's it. Yeah, you need a recession.
Like, here's the thing.

Even if a Democrat came in, they wouldn't be able to solve it either. There is not an actual solution.
The only way you can actually offset this was two ways.

One is you have an economic disaster and everything deflates and then fine, nobody wants that. Or two, you come up with a set of systems to make wages grow to catch back up to the inflation growth.

That's we don't want prices to just cut in half. Like

there are a lot of bad

victims not

doing a horrible job. Tim is camera drunk.
I'm just

dropped. Midday on a Wednesday.
No better time for it. Just going to

champions. Five o'clock somewhere.
I mean, there's a lot of good breweries in Brooklyn. I would be doing the same thing if I were there right now.
Oh, I know. Oh, I know.

I was just there.

It was an early bird special.

No, I had something actually important. There is one thing we could do to lower prices: get rid of the tariffs.
Yes,

which again could be an overnight lowering of prices.

Which is a tax on that. That's what I'm concerned about the end game is, though.
Well, not, it's like the dumbest end game ever.

You know, like right before midterms, he just accesses all the tariffs, and all the slack jobs go, oh, the prices are, prices are better.

See, that would require

that would be a smart political strategy, and I don't think he's going to do that because he's so pissed that the Supreme Court is probably going to overturn about two-thirds, 75%.

Like, Costco is preemptively,

they already preemptively sued the government to recover all of the tariffs they paid. And now there's a couple of other, other, I think Bumblebee tuna of all places.

Like, got to get the fucking tuna from somewhere, I guess. I have seen those prices go up, by the way, which sucks.
Yeah.

Are you telling me they don't have Albacore tuna in North Dakota? I can't buy American tuna. I'm pretty sure they're

in the big lake.

I mean, the thing about all of it is like when people say they want prices to go down, what they actually mean is they want prices to go back to the way they were before that huge inflation spike.

And that is never going to be happening. That's not how it works.

even if they slash tariffs like you get like a teeny little because tariffs are also it's not like the second you slash them the whole market reacts and all of a sudden prices drop it takes time and months and months and they can't time it and every industry is different he just the whole thing up so it's like you can't turn the corporations just might not lower prices right yeah they they know you're willing to happen after the pandemic never go down yes

so if if if the supreme court rules them illegal and overturns them and there's any sort of drop in prices whatsoever, I actually think he's completely screwed because then Democrats will go, look, they forced him to get rid of these.

And then there was a 5%, 10% decrease.

And he lied to you.

Well, that's what we're here for, guys. I guess.
Well, that's it. Like,

we need Americans to be smarter. And I know that's a dangerous sentence to utter, but like,

the correct sentence. We

have to.

Stores, they buy tons of shit way in advance.

Like, they ordered a ton of shit before the tariffs took place so that they could try to drag this out as long as possible so they wouldn't have to push it on people.

The same is going to be true when the opposite happens. They still, like, even if they get the money back, they're not just going to say, okay, well, now it's $50 off every television or $200 off.

It's going to take, you know, months and we need to, months, if not years, just like we saw inflation actually flatlined. in about early 2023.
Yeah.

But prices had already gone up so much and people were so pissed about it that it was like, well, prices are too high.

Even though if you actually looked, like, wage growth, wage growth was outpacing inflation for the last

year and a half of Biden's term.

And we just, you know, the left didn't get that through to people because it's like, well, we understand prices are still too high.

No, you have to have the complicated argument and you have to ask people to understand it. That's good.

That's tough, though, right? Because if you

even if, let's say, you got a three to five percent cost of living increase in your job, right? You barely feel that. You don't even really know it's there.

But if you go and your eggs are $6 a dozen compared to $3 a dozen, even though you're ahead of the game, right? You're like, that's bullshit. And that is a very, very hard thing to get past.

I mean, like, it just shows Americans' inability to understand budgeting their lives.

It's the same reason why you look at like democratic socialist policies getting shit on because like, well, it's so expensive.

It's like, yeah, but you're paying out of pocket for a ton of shit that this would cover.

And they just can't compute the idea that like taxes are just a part of the bigger picture, just like the out-of-pocket costs are part of the bigger picture. They don't give a shit.

They just want to see it on the piece of paper and go, well, I make more money. It's like, yeah, where is it going? You know, nobody knows how to answer that question.
No.

It's tough. It's frustrating.
Yeah, really.

Maybe, maybe, maybe we need, like, I think one of our early episodes, we talked about there needs to be some sort of financial literacy

in this country that there's not.

I think because people do have the memory of a goldfish, we will be able to exploit that at least in the first round, in the next big election, either in the midterms and in 2028. But

all we have to do is say, do you want us to come in and say that we're going to fix it on day one, like Donald Trump said? How did that work out? I'm going to fix it on day one.

Is that the argument you want, America? Like, it'll be so easy. I'll end all of the wars and I'll fix inflation on day one.
Do you want us to just fucking lie to you?

Because look at how well that worked out the last four years. Or do you want to slow down and understand that this is a big fucking mess that we're in?

And it's going to take like a couple of cycles of good leaders to iron this shit out. Please don't go back to the other fucking side halfway through and undercut us again because that's what happened.

So, what do you guys think the chances are that we start bombing Venezuela? Pretty high.

I think at this point, like they want to try the White House really do it. Something's going to give you it.
Yeah, they really want to do it.

But I think a lot of people are telling them, like, this is dumb as fuck. What are you doing?

But I think it's a 50-50. I don't even get it.

What is the object? I mean, well, I get it. Obama bomb the coffee fields or whatever.

But oil doesn't even make sense because, like, why wouldn't you just do like, because the cost of the military exercise of Venezuela to capture the oil is going to be in the hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars.

So, like, you're not, you're not actually making the cost cheaper when you control the oil. I get it's a distraction and like, you know, there's fentanyl there, Tim.

There's just insane amount of fentanyl. Exactly, man.
Donald Trump is obsessed with the idea of getting minerals. Remember when he was talking about Greenland? Yeah.

That's how that was all about minerals. Yeah.
And Ukraine, like the deal that he proposed

or that Russia proposed that he just signed,

not literally, but like adopted. It was all a mineral grab.
Like that's why Jared Kushner went to fucking Moscow so that Jared Kushner can sign another fucking $2 billion deal with a fucking autocrat.

And Donald Trump doesn't, I don't think he accepts the fact that he is not going to live forever.

And he,

I believe, sees these mineral grabs as enriching himself personally. He doesn't give a shit about America.
He doesn't give a shit about the American economy. He gives a shit about Trump.

And that's it. i just don't i'm gonna say

i'm saying it's less than 50 50. i i just like i don't i actually

he doesn't care what happens but like

i i've we've seen him get close to the edge and then back down right like

i mean he's done some crazy right when he when he droned the uh uh the iranian uh general there solevani which could have escalated a full war and actually there's an argument to be made that the iranians shot down that passenger jet by by accident because they were so trigger happy and scared after that.

But that's a that's a hard one.

Well, they they did fire rockets and missiles at over and injured over 100 service members that Donald Trump then made fun of for having headaches when they had traumatic brain injuries because he doesn't give a shit.

It's inconvenient. I just like,

I, there is a fairly strong anti-war like thread through this MAGA crowd, though, right?

Like, so it's, it doesn't, I don't politically like, yeah, there's a a rally around the flag kind of now not quite like it used to be but like yeah that that's a hard when you say no new wars and then you do that I just I don't I don't know he thinks it fits his narrative strategy that's I think his mistake and I think he's being convinced that it's not true because a few different things one is Venezuela it fits his immigration narrative right like there's a whole there's a whole bunch of folks coming from there and they're you know poisoning America whatever so that's that he also accused Venezuela of being a big player in the dominion voting machines bullshit.

So that plays into that narrative. Did that even come up?

But it does. And that matters.
He also tried to regime change Maduro in his first term and failed. So he's trying to make up for that.
All these different things sort of fit where he wants to play.

But when you get to the core, it's like, what are you doing here? There's nothing.

And if you, even if you take the drugs angle, it's like, if you really want to stop drugs, focus on Mexico and focus on China manufacturing fentanyl.

I mean, he did try to do that with tariffs to a certain degree, but like, that's just not going to work.

Well, I would actually argue, I mean, I think you're right, but I would argue that the best, you know, how you want to stop drugs from coming into the country?

Get people in the United States to not be doing the drugs, right? Have treatment facilities and therapies and like lower the demand and lower the demand. And now you're not going to eliminate it.

And like, I'm not talking about like marijuana. Like, I don't, like, that should be legal.
I don't know why shit about that. But like, fentanyl is a real problem, right?

Opioid addiction is a real problem. Like, why are we not? And like, if you are a poor, if you are a poor or working class American family, you cannot afford rehab.
No, you can't. Definitely not.

I mean, I, my, this is where I, like, I end up being way more Republican than you guys were.

Like, I would be completely fine if we made a joint deal with the Mexican government to go, we will help you with our military, just absolutely obliterate cartels. Like, we will go and get it.

I'd be fine with that. Yeah.
I mean, I think that a lot of people. That's a joint effort.
That I think is fine. Like, I think.
Teamwork makes the dream work. Right.

Even if you have, you know, little, little, you know, similar to what they're pretending is happening with Venezuela, you have like little groups of of people, and you see them out in the field, blow them the fuck up.

If you can confirm their drug dealers, like, I think we can take a much more aggressive stand tactically on the root cause, which is really Mexico for the most part.

But we don't because Trump is underthinking it, and Democrats are a little too afraid to pull a trigger on shit like this, and nothing gets done.

But some I actually have no, I mean, I mean, there could be some of that. I just don't know if the CIA, you know, on cover.
Yeah,

but I don't, I, if there is, if there was like very clear evidence of a large-scale facility or something that was doing that, I don't necessarily have any problem with that.

But what I guess I'm saying is that we generally just look at half of the picture and not the other half. Right.
And I actually think there is such a huge,

like the amount of people, men in particular, that have addiction issues, whether it's alcohol, whether it's drugs, whether it's pills, is so vast in this country. And we never talk about it.

And like that is, that is one of the things. And I really would like to see Democrats talk more about this.

Like that, like, especially in rural America, would be huge because, you know, the whole thing in Ohio with the bullshit about the

immigrants eating cats and dogs and whatever.

But like, the true story there is that those businesses want those workers because a lot of the people that are there do have drug addiction problems and those things.

And so like we have to solve these things.

And like, so it, I actually think it's, I think it's a mix of both.

I don't actually have any problem with disrupting drug cartels yeah as long as i don't have to do it i don't know who i am but like that's fair but but like i think we have to have a more serious conversation in this country about addiction and how to help people get out of that in a way that wouldn't bankrupt them forever and i think that leads me to a transition of you know what i would argue and i want to hear what you guys think and i think we saw weirdly enough james carville talk about this that the path for democrats to have a tsunami in the midterms next year is economic populism.

And what I mean by that, because that can mean a lot of things,

is I think the country is ready. Tariffs, more tariffs, more tariffs.

I think the country is ready for some version of universal health care discussions.

I think there is a more active role that the government could play in things like, you know, and as that addiction would be part of that problem or that solution.

More progressive taxes on wealthy Americans, including on investments, which is a thing that Biden actually talked a fair amount about.

And because a lot of people just don't know that a lot of rich people just make all their money off dividends and they're taxed at a lower rate, which is complete horseshit.

And I understand there's an argument that's like

you make it lower so that more people invest and da-da-da. But like, that's not really true.
That's kind of just another trickle-down. It's just a trickle down.

So, like, well, Donald London, I think people who come up with these solutions, I think is going to be very popular.

And actually, Afton Bain is a perfect example of that because she ran a very progressive campaign in a deeply, deeply conservative district.

It has outperformed literally every Democrat that has ever run there. Yeah.
No, I think you're right. I mean, I disagreed with the majority of these things four years ago, eight years ago.

Like I didn't like Bernie Sanders stuff. I think that the time has come to get over it.
For a lot of like moderate Democrats, just accept it.

This is the way. There's no other way.
You have to pivot hard to this direction.

I mean, look, there's a bunch of evidence that's going to go well, but there's a bunch of evidence that's going to go poorly focus on the evidence that's good and just fucking jam it down their throat like trump does it it's not it's not a hard sell the only the only argument that they have is well then all of the successful people will leave where are they going to go every other country has higher tax rates on the wealthy than oh i know than we do

epstein island epstein no venezuela

that's the plan that's the plan trump is going to bulldoze uh uh uh venezuela in order so the rich people can go there and build their casinos great i love that perfect can we put all of the billionaires in Venezuela and then attack Venezuela?

This whole notion, this whole thing, because this happened in New York City with the Bamdani stuff. There was this, all the, all the millionaires in Venezuela.
Billionaires are going to leave.

And it's like

the average millionaire or billionaire is paying in Bamdani's plan. It's like $2,000.

You're going to leave the greatest city in the world over $2,000 when you already have more money than you know what to do with. It's complete bullshit.

Those people wouldn't notice $2,000 missing from their they make it in like an hour.

That is less than that. It is nothing.
In order to either have free bus service for poor New Yorkers or to have,

I don't know what else he's I can't even remember all the other things. All the other things.

Child kit, right? Which is a huge, huge one.

But I think America's ready for it. And like, we've just tried the for-profit model for so long now.
And the prices just keep going up.

So why the hell are we relying on the insurance industry to provide health care when every other country that is similar to us has already figured it out? Lobbyists. Right.
Right. No, no, no.

I mean, yes, yes. That's pretty true.
Yeah. No, I was, I was running the numbers on this, I don't know, maybe six, eight months ago.

I think the maybe the most compelling argument for single-payer coverage and frankly, a lot of the democratic socialist boogeyman shit that we want to get through is if you just look at Canada.

Canada's per capita GDP.

Oh, yeah, it was because Trump wanted to make them a state. Do you guys remember that when they were going to be the 51st state? Oh yeah, whatever happened to that?

Let's bring it back. I want Canada.
Let's be honest.

The per capita GDP in Canada, if they were the 51st state, it would be, I think, the third lowest of every state in the country.

Canada does not produce. anywhere close to the economic output per person compared to the United States.

It's something like, I want to say it's like $40,000 per person compared compared to like 80,000 here.

And that's equivalent to about Mississippi. So if the whole country was just a whole bunch of Mississippis, that's essentially what Canada is doing.
And Canada has universal health care.

Canada has paid leave for parents. I think they get nine months.
I think you get like federally funded nine months of family leave if you have a new baby. It's not by your employer.

You're not bound to the employer.

You can do these things that we want with half of the economic output that we create if you just keep the wealth with the people who are creating it instead of letting shareholders and ceos and grifters snatch it from between the customer and the worker that it's it's an easier argument to reframe than than we want it to be or than we've tried in the past they also have 200 million guns in Canada and nowhere near the mass shootings that we have because they have licensing registration and training.

Crazy how that works. They just don't have 300,000 aircraft carriers filled with plutonium-tipped nuclear warheads.

That's where most of our money goes right now is if you just took our entire military budget and said, what if we just gave people food and healthcare?

Our military budget is $1 trillion per year, by the way. That's so fucking insane.
It's like us, it's us at $1 trillion, and then it takes what?

Maybe Chris, you dope 10 or 12 of the next countries combined to get to us, including China, Russia. Just one Elon Musk.
Right.

Oh, God. Who, by the way, is currently spreading a fucking, he's spreading the fact that the lie that Obama airdropped 60,000 Somalis in Minnesota to elect Ilhan Omar.

What?

Like threw him out of a helicopter? Good God. Apparently.
Have fun.

Personally, Obama was a very good person.

You just give up a million views. Says that the far left imported voters to gain power and it worked because

Ilhan Omar wasn't even elected by Americans. She was elected by 80,000 Somalis that Obama dropped in Minnesota.

And they're all just voters. You drop him with a

somebody get him out of his fucking cage.

So let's let's let's workshop this for a second. So

so

Barack Obama, who by all accounts hated the elections and like just wanted to rot, like he's like, doesn't like the political part of the job he wanted, but you know,

decided that there was a district, a congressional district in Minnesota that just

wasn't blue enough. And his idea was to go to Somalia.
Well, that's where he was born.

Right, right.

His neighboring country, like his countrymen. And probably the birth certificates there, right? And

got a bunch of what? Like cargo jets and said, all right, guys, we're going to Minnesota.

And they just like all run in and then like they give them like parachutes and just like shove them out in the middle of the night and magically they appear and what? Like right outside of Somalia.

so. And then they could just go like right to the voting booths, I think.
I think there must be like

one of those chutes, like a big, big slide that's like miles long. You jump out of the plane through this slide right into the voting booth.
I don't know. And there's the Dropbox, the mail.

The irony, though, is that nobody's saying, hey, wait a second, Elon, you're an African immigrant, too. I wonder why.
Hmm. I wonder what could be the difference.
What is the difference?

I just can't imagine. I can't imagine what the difference would be.
No, fucking bastard. God.

Well, guys, you know, I think we're good for today.

I think we've covered a good ground. We've done it.
Unless, Luke, I'm going to put you on the spot again. Do you have a get fucked? I mean, Trump can get one because that shit about Ilhan is terrible.

I mean,

he called her and Somalis garbage and said they're shit and she's a bitch. And

he called her a bitch. Yeah.
Well, you also, did you see Christy Noam's tweet where she like said, it was basically like this racist rant about we don't want these like

welfare entitlement like queen? What is she? They called it something that was basically she was just saying, I don't want any black or brown people here. So I would say that.

Nita and Nanita, I remind everyone that Ilhan Omar has not shot a puppy in a gravel pit and bragged about it. True.
True. Yeah.

Ilhan Omar probably represents more people in her district than Christy Noam was elected by as governor of South Dakota. Was it South Dakota? She's from South Dakota.

I think her last election, she won with like 202,000 votes or something like that.

Every time I hear something like that. She's not the number of Americans who ever voted for her at once.
Every time I hear something like that,

my response to anyone asking whether they should run for office just gets even stronger. Yes.
Because if these fucking people, please do.

If she can be a fucking governor, you can do whatever in the wide world of sports you want.

Well, today, or no, yesterday was Giving Tuesday, and I actually, my donation went to Run for Something, which we talk about a fair amount.

We should have, we should have Amanda Lippmann on at some point. Um, but people should support Run for Something because they help train candidates.

And if we're going to have a blue tsunami, we got to have people up and down the ballot. So, I think that's a great idea.
Uh, you know what else is a great idea, guys?

Buying merch, buying beautiful, beautiful Made in America find out merch. And actually, Christmas gifts, I think.
Christmas gifts for all of your MAGA relatives.

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god damn it Tim he's so good with that microphone Chris can you send he's a good Tim he's a good mic something's wrong here

this thing goes broken yeah that's it's my fault guys I'm the equipment guy

this is my bad I'll send today's worst no I'm just hoping that you're that you're good enough to make up for Tim's deficiencies if you can just like there's got to be a really heavy microbiome I can't do a hey everybody

can't reply that doesn't that just doesn't that doesn't ring right like it's just Hey, it's a hi, everybody.

Hey, hey, is that how you are?

Damn. Am I that high-pitched?

I mean, hug everybody in my ear holes, but I also have hearing loss. I've been around a lot of explosions.
So, you know, don't take it personally. Well, what I was trying to do,

what I was trying to do is show that I have this lovely hoodie on, and I also have its companion shirt on, but I'm going to knock the microphone. It's doubled up.

With the two layers of the decal on the front, there's like no air is getting to the middle i was gonna say you must be sweating like a motherfucker that that is that is a very thick logo american made

yeah but that's why it's thick union uh artisans right union or union whatever um so you should go buy some for your mega friends or maybe just your progressive friends no but you buy them for your mega family members and then tell them that it's like what like uh originalist you know like because we got the isaac newton thing right like just tell them it's about fuck around find out out

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do they know that that that could be an old white supremacist they don't know what isa they don't know looks like yeah that's a very do you think they're gonna look at a prism and recognize what what a prism looks like should we do a social contest where we ask where we ask our supporters to buy find out merchandise for their uh relative their mega relatives and film the reaction Would that be hilarious?

I think that would be hilarious. I would love to see that.
But be safe. If anyone does that,

you get a free hoodie on me. See, do you guys hear that? For when they inevitably burn the hoodie that you gave them once they find out Wilberforce.
You know what?

I don't actually care what they do with the hoodie after they buy it as long as they buy it.

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