82: Magic the Gathering Fans Upset Over Final Fantasy?

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Chucka, chuck a chucker, chuck a chucker, chucka.

We've got Amy back on.

Thank you so much for joining us.

I'm happy to be here.

I'm so glad.

I'm glad you're not here against your will.

No, I'm here because I had many, many friends tell me that there's been a problem,

not just in your circles, but in my circles about

this stuff, about Final Fantasy Magic the Gathering.

Oh, you've shown that off, Mark.

You've shown off the big books.

Oh, yeah, the big books.

We'll talk about it at some point.

How that shouldn't be the big books.

I'm so ready for the magic the gathering hot takes the hottest takes which are actually like pretty cold takes within the magic community but like the people who are just getting into it are gonna be like what are you talking about you're a monster be more inviting to us

i would say that's fine and all but if we're gonna show off cards have you ever final fantasy card packed

That's right.

From the amazing Final Fantasy card game.

That's right.

This is where I'm at now, apparently.

It's not really, I just had one that's lying around.

It's for the goof, but but have you ever had a cookie?

Oh, what kind of cookie is that?

Here's the thing: I know that's not for the goof.

I know that what is that?

Is that shortbread or a fake newton?

Yeah, I was thinking fake newton.

No, oh my gosh.

So around the 4th of July, every year, Aldi gets a weird collection of American food.

They release like an American collection of snacks, and it'll be things like hot dog-flavored crisps.

What?

I wish I was joking.

That sounds like a Canadian thing, honestly.

Canadians put the weirdest flavors in snacks.

And these are apple pie cookies, and they're great.

They're actually.

Wow, as American as apple pie.

Oh, are those cookies?

Are those kind of like

remember when, way back when, I don't think they do it anymore.

Maybe they do.

I don't know.

I'm out of the like cookies for kids era of my life.

But

remember when they used to have like the uh little Debbie or hostess, whatever it was, like the pumpkin cookie, and it was shaped like a pumpkin, but had the pumpkin filling in it.

But it had like the, it was like a carved pump.

Man, those were the days.

I don't know.

Is it like a sugar cookie?

No.

So imagine like a cookie that looks like a pumpkin, yes, cut down the middle, and they open it up and they put like um

I don't know, like a like a pumpkin

filling, like a sweet something, fold it back up, and then a machine probably stamps off the eyes and the mouth.

So it's like a jack-o-lantern.

It's great.

I don't know how else to describe this cookie.

I'm sure.

I'm not like a moon pie or like a whoopee pie.

Like it's got a hollow that little Debbie.

Yeah.

It is not like a

it's not like that in the size.

It's more like one of those little Debbie oatmeal cookies with the cream in it.

That size.

Does that make any sense?

The little Debbie verse.

Okay.

Pretty thin.

Yeah, it's like a thin boy.

Yeah.

A little tiny, like a flatty.

I don't think I've ever had one.

I'm sorry.

At first, I thought you were talking about the Pillsbury tubes that you can get of sugar cookies.

Oh, that when you cut them out, have the design in it?

Look.

Yeah, there's like a bunch of them, like flat, and you pop them in the oven.

My mom and I used to make every season when they came out with a different like holiday version of that cookie.

We all got them.

Of course, I'm fat from the Midwest.

This is, I'm, this is old hat for me.

I know all these things, yeah,

yeah.

It's like it would come out, and you'd be like, let's go to the grocery store and get the cookie that has the shape in the middle of it.

Yeah, and then when you cut it and you break it, then the shape's there.

Yeah, yeah, it's very cool.

Yeah, and I have cultural awareness of this because I've watched television.

I've never had them.

I just make cookies from scratch.

That's okay.

They don't have the cool shapes.

It's really hard to do those.

I can do pinwheel cookies, and that's hard enough.

That's enough work.

So, what you're saying is, with all your skill at at making cookies,

you don't have the skill to process

rolls of dough.

You know, they have faces.

You can't do that.

They probably look really bad.

I feel like I could make like, it would be a smile.

It would be like lopsided.

Like one eye is three times the size of the other and the smile actually kind of looks like a like a weird like

grotesque like grimace.

That's popular these days, though.

The kids love the Uggos.

What are those things called?

The little Uggy guys?

The laboo boos?

Yeah, they love that kind of stuff.

Those little plushies I see on people's bags.

Yeah,

they're super.

Yeah, people love gross things.

Or

the one has a huge eye, and the other one's little, and he's green.

People love that stuff.

There's a lady who I don't know what she does with her life beyond this, but she just makes videos about her like 14-karat gold laboo boo.

but she has an act she has an accent so she goes I'm the only one with a 14 karat gold laboo boo

is it like an official

I have no clue does she does she know that's stupid or it does she believe it is awesome I don't know It's

she know she's on the level of that woman who goes like

badly like do we does does she know?

Wait, who are you talking about?

I don't know.

The woman who does the ASMR, where she like goes up to Betty, she taps on it.

She's like,

Bentley.

And people make fun of her because it's ridiculous.

Where she just taps.

They all tap.

They all tap.

So don't include the tapping.

They all tap.

Oh, no, I'm including the tapping.

But what is it?

She says Bentley, but she says it in a tear box and goes, Bentley.

And everyone's like...

Tapping on a Bentley?

Yes.

Okay, that's the information I was missing.

Is it her Bentley or is she like going around outside and like finding nice cars?

She's in a car garage with multiple cars.

So either A, she's at a facility somewhere.

B,

she is the owner of a bunch of cars.

Or C, she's the daughter, girlfriend, wife,

sister of someone who owns a bunch of cars.

I gotta grow my nails out and go up to some like Maseratis or whatever and start just clicking on them.

That's content apparently.

That's what people do.

That's what people do.

So they'll, they'll, you know, she'll start.

She'll be like, Bantley.

And then people will come in and restitch it or whatever and be like,

Ford pickup truck.

Like, it's great.

It's very good.

I love that.

Look, it sounds like it's banging though.

Right.

No, she's terrible.

But everyone else is great.

No, I don't know that people like it.

People like making fun of her.

And I'm saying to this person with the laboo boo, she's like, I am the only one.

Do people make fun of her?

Because they should.

That was just making fun of her and you should stitch her into it.

And it felt good.

It felt really.

I have to.

Okay, do all the people that do these, do they only take off because they have weird accents?

Because Nick was showing me a TikTok of the last 60s guy in the world, which is just a series of shorts of just a man with like grease back hair.

He's like, I'm the last 60s guy in the world.

does not pronounce any of the words fully.

And he's in weird scenarios like falling off a bridge, but he's the last 60s guy in the world.

What?

Do you think I understand?

I don't.

I think you're onto something.

I agree with you.

I think the accent, especially for Americans, because we love a good accent.

I think for the, there's a guy on TikTok I love.

I do not know his name.

But my favorite TikTok of him, he's like an old man and he's sitting there in a pumpkin t-shirt and he goes,

I do not believe in a ghost or goblin ghoul.

The only thing I believe is in myself.

And I'm like, oh, I love him.

You have quoted that so many times.

You love the face of the goblin ghoul.

I do not believe in a goblin ghoul.

I love that.

That's my favorite guy.

Yeah, accents.

They kill it.

Absolutely.

That's because we sound like this.

Yeah.

What, what?

We sound reasonable and clear.

What with our naturalized Midwest English accents?

Because we all are people who are on screen constantly.

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We should bring back Mid-Atlantic.

That's the problem.

We should bring that back.

The Mid-Atlantic

darling.

It's time for us to go talk.

Yeah, the transatlantic.

Wait.

Transatlantic is what it is.

Is that what it's called?

I don't know the name for things.

Goodness gracious.

I just wish I could figure out where it is I am.

Shut your mouth.

You talk too much.

You can't talk to me that way.

I'm a modern man.

It's 1945.

I can talk however I want to people.

Yeah, that.

Like your long cigarette prop.

Because, you know, it's with the times.

It's with the times.

I fought a great war.

I can do whatever I want, whenever I want.

To be an American man, a white American man in the 50s.

It really is quite good.

Anyway,

off to go get a job with no education.

Bye, losers.

Yeah, those were the days.

There's actually a streamer that Nick and I sometimes watch, but I can't oftentimes raid her because it's very jarring going from my stream, which is a little quiet to hers.

Oh, I recommend her channel though.

Her name's Meowathy.

And the best way to say what her accent is is,

she sounds like she's from Boston and she smokes constantly.

She's yelling everything she says.

And also, she takes out a slide whistle so she can make even more noise.

She's great.

Absolutely will recommend if you want to see a woman play mostly like souls-like games, she's been jamming the lies of P expansion.

You got to check out Meowathy,

amazing,

man.

I need to get on.

I want to say for the record, I have

I don't know what this says about me, but something about

like the tiniest woman on planet Earth playing souls-like, I'm like, I'm watching this.

I don't know what it is, I can't explain it to you, but like there's a whole collective of

really skilled skilled souls like her Elder Ring players who are like,

I cannot give an age.

I would say 18, because I assume we have to be to be a streamer.

I don't know the rules, but like, they look like little kids.

And I'm like, get it, girl.

And she's like, all right.

So what I'm going to do is I'm going to go over here.

And I'm like.

Do I suck?

Somebody just one shot a boss.

Yes.

And I'm like,

what the hell?

And for some reason in my mind, and again, I think this is just being an old guy thing.

When I think of like young kids, I think of like, I'm going to kill your mom, like little asshole boys.

You know what I mean?

Like playing Call of Duty or whatever.

I clearly need to rethink all of life because I'm watching like the most talented young women kill it in the world of like soul, like games that I'm like, that's too hard for me.

I can't do it.

I can't play that game.

And I'm like, damn, okay.

It is very entertaining.

Especially during speedruns.

These games were ones you could grow up with.

Now you have like, this girl was probably like nine when Dark Souls 2 came out or whatever.

And she saw somebody play it with, this is my new hyperfixation.

And now she plays all of them.

And this is her thing.

And it's like, wait, oh my God, when did Dark Souls 2 came out?

Oh, oh, no.

I'm like trying to think, how, how, how old would you need to be to be 18 now?

I think that person would still be like 25.

Yeah, they still would have been like a young kid no matter what.

So, I mean, it has been 10 years since 2015.

Yeah.

Oh no.

Switch 2 came out in March 2014.

I was close.

Yeah, she was dodge rolling before she could walk, whereas like we grew up and it's like, what's the first video game we got introduced to?

It was probably like a side-scroller to Super Mario.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

Speaking of, this is, it sums it up perfectly.

So switch 2 came out I had no intention of getting it I was like

I'll wait until the end of the year because that's when the dynasty warriors high rewards thing comes out and that's the only game I want to play so whatever but then

I Guess some I have no explanation for this, but I'm not a fool So I definitely took it our dear boy mr.

Alex Faciani just got me a switch 2 and was like here

and I was like What a sweetheart.

I mean very sweet.

However, I have nothing to play on it except for the thing I played on my old Switch all the time, which was the collection of Super Nintendo games.

So I re-downloaded that and started playing them.

And I was playing F-Zero and I was playing Mario All-Stars and I was playing Star Fox.

And I realized while playing it, those games are not that complex.

There's a reason why I'm very skilled at those and not a lot of modern games.

I was like, oh,

I don't necessarily have to be great at this.

It's just memorizing when to do certain things at a certain time, which I absolutely get is the Dark Souls vibe.

But

this, as you play controller versus this, is a totally different experience.

Hey, you do not use all of the buttons on a modern controller when you are playing something like the All-Stars collection, the old-school Mario games.

You use left, right, A, and B, and then you press start sometimes to pause.

And that's about it.

You don't even use, I guess some of them use the bumpers to do the spin, but it's like,

you play like Breath of the Wild.

You play Elden Ring.

You play any of these games, Liza P, whatever.

You're using every single button.

And sometimes

you have to hold a button and then use another button to access a menu to get to another thing in the middle of combat.

And you're like, I don't, my, my fingers weren't built for this.

Yeah.

I go left and I go right and I jump.

Which makes me appreciate anyone who can do that stuff.

Well, I'm constantly blown away.

I love watching people play Souls likes because I'm not good at them but I like living vicariously through people who are

I also don't want to watch people struggle is that weird like I don't want to see people back

no I want to see people who watch them people who are like who crush them yeah yeah I love a good uh like speed run I love games done quick I love watching like my favorite games done quick I've ever seen was the, I think, I don't know, it was this dude, but it was like a whole group of people.

And the whole premise was, we're going to play Castlevania and Symphony Knight backwards.

I'm like, how do you do that?

They bugged their way to the final boss, beat Dracula, and then worked their way back through the castle and killed every boss.

I was like,

this is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

That's what I love.

I love people who are just too good for their, like, their own good.

It was great.

I love it.

They're going through it, like, all right, I've killed Dracula, but now I have to escape the castle.

That's sweet.

That's sweet.

It's so neat to watch that.

And yeah, I watched people do like co-op where like switch controllers while they're playing Elden Ring.

And I'm like, the

self-imposed difficulty.

They add on already difficult games.

I'm like, that's how I know you're good.

Where you're actively trying to make it harder on yourself?

Like, what are you doing?

Big fan of that.

Big fan.

You know what's funny, though, about you saying, like, that the games you were playing when you were younger lacked the complexity of some of the games now is that depending on

what game you're talking about from your childhood it's either it was so complex and bizarre that quality of life now has ruined it for me

or

or it's

wow this was so simple that i realize now how complex games are what was the star wars game that you played on pc

that you played

uh tie fighter oh so

X-Wing, then TIE Fighter.

Then they did TIE Fighter CD-ROM, which is the one that I played.

And they did X-Wing versus TIE Fighter, which was like all in a few years there in the 90s.

And the biggest thing about that is it was like, this is the experience of being a TIE Fighter pilot.

So I'm going to say two-thirds of your keyboard is used to manage all sorts of aspects of your ship.

And at the time, it seemed perfectly fine.

Going back now, it's on GOG.

You can get it.

It's super cheap.

If you were to play it, you'd be like,

what the hell?

Because it was based on like flights in games.

It was meant to be like, hey, yeah, you've got a dashboard.

It's not like, I am just flying a plane.

It's like, no, no, no, you're flipping toggles.

Yeah, but at the same time, like...

To say that I was into it is a lie.

I was like, in.

I was part of a forum online where we'd make campaigns for each other in the editor and then submit them for other people to play.

And we do like little Star Wars stories.

Everyone on the website had their own capital ship that would be the star of their story.

And so you'd be like, all right, and people started doing voiceover.

It was crazy.

Like, that was a hell of a time.

But also, looking back, that was 20 years ago.

I don't know how, I don't know how we did any of it.

It's insane.

It's very obtuse.

Like, it isn't good.

Like, some of the,

it's hard to explain, but like, the games that I still play,

their control systems were so easy, they stand the test of time.

While some games, like TIE Fighter or one of my favorite games ever that is unplayable by modern standards, Vagrant Story.

Vagrant Story is an incredible RPG.

It is kind of like a salsy thing before they existed, but the mechanics of it are so backwards that the jump and attack button are the same button.

It just depends when you use them.

It's insane.

So if they ever remade it, they have to remake from the ground up the mechanics of the game.

Like it's truly maddening.

But with that said, it's a great game.

And there's a lot of amazing games.

But because, you know, we didn't have this, we had maybe this,

or we had this, but nothing up top.

Or we had the weird, like, there's a thing in the middle.

Because controllers changed.

Yeah, because controllers changed so much.

that they kept trying to gimmickify everything and now everything's kind of roughly the same.

And so it's a weird,

it's a weird vibe to go back and play some of the old games that you were like, man, I was really into that.

And then you try it and you're like, what the hell?

And then

the control schemes are a godsend, though, because like, yes.

When I went, this is the before the rematch.

When I went back to try to replay Mass Effect 1 to be like, I want to start dating my favorite characters again.

And I was like,

oh, this is...

This is...

This is bad.

I can't.

I'm with you on this.

I'm getting kind of nauseous trying to move the camera in the right place.

Yeah.

When I like, somehow I made it through COVID, not getting COVID, and then at the end, got COVID.

It was like, cool.

So I had to stay home for like, I don't know, like two weeks.

And in that time, I decided I'm going to replay the Mass Effect trilogy.

It's on sale for like six bucks.

I'm going to play all three on my old PlayStation.

Let's go.

Yeah, Mass Effect 1, kind of a mess.

Looking back, I'm like, it's not really that good.

And then I played Mass Effect 2 and was like,

yeah, it's fine.

But like, then I played Mass Effect 2 and was like, no, no, no, no.

There's a reason why this one rocks.

This is like,

out of all of them, Mass Effect 2, I got 98% of the achievements without even trying.

I loved it that much.

And this is having played it again after X number of years and was like, this game's so good.

And then I played three and was like, it's fine.

I enjoy this.

But one of the things I learned is

all three, I just used a pistol.

I didn't get any other guns.

I just used a pistol and was a badass.

And was like,

is this?

Did I screw up as a kid?

Did I think like guns that shot a lot were cooler?

I'm walking around.

And then the third one, they're literally just like the last weapon you get is like a James Bond-esque super pistol snipe, like with a silencer on it.

And I was like, this is, I was missing out like a fool.

Oh,

what a fool.

What a fool I am.

It was great.

But I played Andromeda and it kept freezing and crashing.

And I was like, this is the mistake.

Andromeda was just like an uncooked game.

It was raw, not just in the middle, but on the outside.

You could, it was runny.

It was not

great.

I remember playing a demo at PAX East and being like, this is all right.

Just kind of feels like I'm playing Mass Effect 3, but with different characters.

And then you got the actual game.

I think Nick and I played for like three hours, refunded it, and we're like,

this is not good.

Yeah, I downloaded it because I was still sick.

And I was like, well, I got time.

And, you know, I'll give Andromeda a shot because I tried it for like an hour when it came out and was like, this is garbage.

But it's been years now.

They updated, they changed, it's gonna be so good.

I started playing it.

I was like, all right, this isn't bad.

Like, some of the characters are annoying as hell, but like, they always are in these games.

That's fine.

And then at a certain point, I realized two things.

One,

there's an online component that doesn't work that great anymore where you have to like send troops to go do things.

But like you can also buy exclusive units.

I'm like, what the heck?

Why would I?

Anyway, so then I was like, screw it.

Let's just do the missions.

Let's focus on the story.

I'm not going to do any side stuff.

I just want to see what the story of this game is because maybe that's good.

And then I did the first mission.

I go to some underground layer thing.

And after I escape, when I load into the world, only the roads have loaded in.

Nothing else has loaded.

I reset the game.

Nothing else has loaded.

There's a video out there of it somewhere where literally, if you drive off the edge, you fall through the world forever.

you die, you respawn.

It was permanently broken.

I was like, well, softwalk.

Oh, no.

Oh, that sucks.

And this was X number of years later.

I was like, this is a trash game.

I was like, I don't know what happened, but this is garbage.

And everyone's like, it's good, though.

I'm like, you can't convince me.

I played it.

I'm not going to even have this conversation.

It's not good.

Yeah.

And that's after it kind of got patched.

Yeah.

More fixed.

Yeah, I tried playing it at launch, and that's when I refunded it because,

ooh, not good.

Yeah, not a fan.

However, I will still say, Mass Effect 2

still one of my favorites.

Yeah, it's a great role-playing game.

Like the combat system was one of the first ones to use, kind of like the modernized combat system.

The driving was so much better than Mass Effect 1 that honestly, I'll forgive it of any faults beyond that because trying to play Mass Effect 1 car missions are so bad.

There's, yeah, there's

man, especially driving an RC car

like in real life and you're like following it around.

Like, oh, I hope, I hope it, oh, I flipped it over.

Especially when every car mission is like, there's a worm.

Go kill that worm.

And you're like, again, God.

All right, cool.

It's like,

pew, pew, pew.

It sucks.

It's, I hate those car missions.

Not a fan.

But,

you know,

I'm excited to see.

I guess they're making another one.

Are they getting another master effect?

They said they were.

Enough time to actually be made and completely.

I don't know if they are, considering everyone complained about the last.

Look, I had a ton of fun with the last Dragon Age.

Everyone was like, it's garbage.

It's trash.

I was like, I had fun.

I was kicking dudes off cliffs.

I made a little dwarf.

I was hitting on other dwarves.

It was great.

People like a lot of trash.

And I was like,

yeah, it's all right.

I mean, divisive.

Divisive is different from

most people find it unplayable or unplugged.

On the internet, there's no such thing as divisive.

It's either garbage or the best thing ever.

There's no in between.

That's just how it works.

And I had to check this because it is currently Steam Summer sale.

Happy Steam Summer Sale to those of us who buy many games and never actually have a time to play them.

You can get the Mass Effect Remastered trilogy, the Legendary Edition, for $6

for all those games.

So it's

way back when.

Yeah.

Good little time waster.

You could get Rocket Rats for two bucks.

Or, hold on, let me verify this.

Or

he's looking at Monster Prom.

Yeah, all of them.

Or you could get all of the Monster Proms for

how much they cost.

You should play that.

You get Monster Prom 1 for $3.

Monster Prom 2 for $3.

Monster Prom 3 for $5.

Or Monster Prom 4 for $13.

Just saying.

And Monster Prom 4 just came out.

And like the scheme of video game time.

I know it's been a little bit, but it just came out.

It just came out.

Just saying.

Just saying.

That's cheap.

You could play two Monster Proms for the price of the Mass Empire.

Damn.

Mass Emma Trilogy.

Although, it does come with a really funny achievement in the Mass Effect Remaster, which is if you date...

the same character through all three games, it gives you an achievement at the end.

Is it just like monotonist?

Yeah, it like saves your five.

I think it's like she's the one or he's the one or whatever the case would be.

But the problem is, is that

I got a thing for blue alien women and she's only in one in three.

So the fact she's not in two, I had to reject everyone.

I was like, sorry, lady with the ass.

You're not for me.

It was great.

I had to really, really man up for that.

I was like, no.

No, my blue doctor, I love you.

Yeah.

we all have our type.

And most of our type is probably Tolly, but like, you couldn't date her.

That's a first one.

I'm pretty sure.

That's true.

That's true.

She's very sweet.

I'm going to say, too needy.

Y'all are into needy people.

I'm just saying it.

Too needy.

It's not her fault that she can't beat those two germs.

Help me.

I'm going to die.

Die.

Help me.

Yeah.

Chat top tier.

Ignore chat.

Chat is chat's like, I love red flags and murder.

I mean, she looks cool.

That's got to be great.

She looks great.

She's bedonkers.

Get out of there.

Run.

Yeah, I'm a Garris Carly.

I know what I like.

I did actually finish a game, though, this week.

I did check something off of my

Steam list.

Yeah, I played Blue Prince after many people told me to play it.

And I sat down, I played it once about four weeks ago.

Then I got really bogged down with the Final Fantasy stuff coming out.

And then I played it again yesterday and I got an ending.

I'm going to go ahead and say I got the credits to run that counts as beating the game.

I said the exact same thing.

Everyone was

like, you completed the tutorial.

Congratulations.

And I was like, no, no, no.

I got an ending.

I got an ending.

Don't take me.

I just fan I won.

Yeah, I would say ignore everyone who's like, you barely experienced it.

You did.

You barely experienced it.

There's so much more.

But because I have put in so many more hours and not

gotten like, you did,

here's another ending.

I'm not sure I ever will.

There's so many puzzles and so many things that I just stopped.

I was like, I feel like I've done enough.

I know enough of the story.

I know the plot.

I just,

some of these are so obtuse that require you to like have the certain room at a certain time.

I'm like,

I got other stuff to play.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And so you're definitely fine walking away.

And for anybody who's thinking about like, hey, what puzzle games should I check out for this year?

You should check out Blue Prince.

Blue Prince is great.

Yeah.

And the other game that I think it's not a puzzle game is RPG that everybody has told me to play, but I haven't played is Clara Obscure, but like I'll get there.

Oh, I just beat it this past week.

Did it change your life?

Do you feel emotionally fulfilled?

Or take you for a moment?

Like one moment.

Here's the problem.

Everyone in chat while I was playing was having like theological debates about the ending.

It is an ending that

is definitely going to make some people cry.

Here's the problem.

I am damaged because I played Final Fantasy 14.

And it's an ending that Final Fantasy XIV has done numerous times.

And so I'm already like, I know how I feel because I've made these choices before.

And I'm like, I don't

this, I'm not upset about this.

I know what the right answer is.

And that's clearly the wrong answer.

And everyone's like, no, no, Jesse.

I'm like, no, it is.

That's not, there's, I'm not going to, I'm not going to have this argument.

I know how I feel about situations like this.

I'm not going to let the game be like,

Don't you aren't you going to have emotional turmoil?

Like, no, no, I'm good.

So, yeah, it was an awkward situation because I was just like, no, I know how I feel about this.

However, the process of getting there was very, very good.

I love that.

I like it.

It's a game I only want to play if I have the time to commit myself to it emotionally, which probably means like 10 years from now when I'm not working as a streamer, maybe, and I can actually play it for myself.

Oh my God.

Yeah, I would, um,

I would

say that you would, like,

here's how I know this is going to go.

Because again,

even though it's not, it feels like a Final Fantasy game.

It is, as far as I know, it's a JRPG, but not in its French.

Yeah, yeah.

And, and if you had to divide it into discs, I do think Final Fantasy VII, this game has a very solid end of disc one moment.

That is one of those, we're getting, you're hooked, let's go.

You know, like how in the old RPGs, they would have to if you had the cds or whatever you would have to have that first one set everything up but then have a hook for you to put in cd2 same thing here and so there's definitely like a

god damn it well i guess now i'm playing it that kind of moment which i love like 20 hours in

i mean i think the game in total if you just play the story bits is like 26 hours oh okay so it's probably like 10 15 ish hours yeah yeah yeah there are a lot of bonus things to do and the thing about the game that's interesting is it's absolutely a JRPG.

You're playing the story, you're doing the whole thing, but combat-wise is like

almost

as frustrating as playing Dark Souls 3 kind of stuff, where you'll be playing it, and yeah, you can take hits, right?

But they add the mechanic that was featured in like, uh, I think it was Legend of Dragoon and Mario RPG, where you can parry and you can like get bonuses on attacks and things.

You can dodge by like timing it.

Yes, yes, yes.

And so one of the biggest things is some of the fights are like, if you don't parry every single enemy attack, they will keep attacking you until you get all your parries off.

And it is

like the darkest, meanest thing I've ever seen anyone do in a video game.

I was like, there's one guy and he's just a face with hands and legs.

And all he does is jump up in the air and bounce.

And you're supposed to dodge all of them.

But because I was on my parry train, the parry is like a smaller window.

So I'm sitting there like,

I'm going to parry this son of a bitch.

I don't want to talk about how long that took.

Stuff like that.

There's some fights where

let's, at one point, I was level 70, but there are some fights that are like,

everyone's dead.

Nothing can do because you dodge or parry.

You have to.

I saw some guy started doing a let's play where he was like, I'm not going to dodge or parry.

And I was like, good luck, asshole.

Like, I'm pretty sure it's impossible.

But I don't know.

I don't know.

Mechanics, they keep me engaged in games because it's otherwise I'll kind of like in a turn-based game, just like walk away and use the bathroom.

You're absolutely correct because I remember playing, oh God, it was one of the Final Fantasies where at a certain point I was so overleveled, I just pressed A.

Yeah, like every battle happened to 10 for me.

And I was just like, all right.

And I just kept going.

And every fight was so easy.

I was just like,

yeah.

Yeah.

It's not fun.

It's also like burning through a Pokemon game where it's like, yeah, I have one over-level thing and I'm just going to keep going.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Maybe I, uh, maybe I just, that's why I suck at video games.

Because most of my childhood, I played over-leveled RPGs and just went like this.

And I won.

And now they expect me to learn mechanics.

And I'm like,

oh, please.

I'll just grind out some experience.

I don't want to learn how to play the game.

I still don't know how to block an Elden Ring, and I'll never figure it out.

I'll never learn.

You can't make me.

You can't make me figure it out.

And then, like, I watched my partner do a run where he had a shield, and he's like, this is so much easier.

Like, I don't care if it's easier.

I'm not learning.

Yeah.

I refuse to grow as a gamer, but I do want to play Paper Mario now.

I just realized we played Dodger, you and I, and Ash Roboto.

We played Night Rain.

Yeah.

And by the end of it, we'd settled into our classes where I was literally a ranged character who just shot arrows.

I didn't nothing of value.

I was like in the background, like pew, pew, pew.

I couldn't, I didn't dodge roll.

I didn't block.

I didn't do anything.

I just stayed far enough away from combat to be like, pew, pew.

I realize who I am.

I'm more of the guy who presses the button rather than the frontline soldier.

I know who I am.

Yeah.

You like to blow up the TNT.

You don't like to be in the fight.

Yeah, I don't want to be near near the TNT.

Yeah.

I want to send someone else to do that.

And I'm like, go now?

Yeah.

Not to Railroad, but also to Railroad.

Wow.

If, I know, I'm so sorry, but since we got a late start today, if we're going to, if we're going to discuss the nitty-gritty of the Magic the Gathering world

with the lovely Amy, I feel like we should do it now.

We could tie in.

We were talking about JRPGs.

You know what else is a JRPG?

Final Fantasy.

You know what had a crazy expansion in Magic the Gathering?

Final Fantasy.

And you know what is causing distress for magic players?

It's Final Fantasy.

It's all been Final Fantasy this whole time.

Oh, my God.

Why is it causing stress?

What's going on with that?

All right.

So when you buy boosters, here's a regular booster.

I have a prop here.

This is Tarcair Dragonstorm.

It's the last in-universe set that had come out before Final Fantasy.

They cost a certain amount of price, and usually that price kind of goes up and down a little bit, sometimes falling down even below like MSRP if the cards in it aren't that powerful and not being played in a lot of formats.

That's how it is.

That is how it has always been.

Then there's Final Fantasy.

Now, Final Fantasy was being sold at a slight markup.

And I don't mean like because it was in higher demand.

No, like this is a $4 thing.

This is a $5 thing.

That's like the prices they had said.

It's a little different than that.

But the problem is that the $5

thing people were selling for like $8 because they knew people would buy it and it's selling it.

And this, this is a play booster, not a collector booster.

These are just going to keep getting reprinted.

Like this is not a limited edition product.

This is just a thing that's going to get printed until it's met demand.

Wizards of the Coast's money printer is going

right now.

So wait.

The normal boosters, yeah, obviously, but the collector's boosters are, that's a limited thing?

One and done.

They might do a holiday release, which would be a separate set of collector's boosters with different, like, I guess, serialized cards in them.

Maybe they won't do the chocobos.

They'll do something else.

This, they printed the amount that there are and the price go up because collectors want them.

But the problem is that...

It's not magic players.

It's the Pokemon people.

It's the Final Fantasy collector people are buying these and they're sitting on them.

Their scalpers going crazy with them.

This is, I think, like,

I think it's supposed to be like $35, $40 for one of these.

And they're selling like $100

for one pack.

The box is like $1,000 or something like that.

Yeah.

Crazy.

I got one right here.

This is worth more than its weight in silver times two.

I took it on a gram scale.

You could purchase a big old brick of silver or you could purchase magic cards that you're probably not going to play with.

Cause if you're buying collectors' products, you're probably not actually playing magic.

You just want the shiny things.

That's and that's what's crazy about it.

Is I'm seeing a lot of people, no names, Dodger.

I'm seeing a lot of people going crazy buying packs.

And I, my question is, and it's nice to have you on to talk about this.

So I, when I, this originally came out, for my, just the sake of collecting, I got a normal booster pack and I got uh two

uh

commander decks.

And I was like, this should be fine.

I'll get like a bunch of cool cards.

This will be, yes, I got a Shtola and I got the Terra one.

And so I was like,

yeah, I was like, I know what I like.

But then, because I'm a big Final Fantasy nerd, I got hit up by them.

They're like, yo, do you want us to send you stuff?

I was like, yes.

So they did.

So I ended up getting a collector's booster

box, another play booster box, and then a bunch of other cards.

So I opened them all on stream.

I was doing some fun stuff.

But then my cards that I order arrive and I was like, I already have too many cards.

This is insane.

So at a certain point, I got all the like

one-offs or whatever.

Like, I got one of everything that I wanted.

Singles you wanted.

The individual cards.

And so I had a binder.

I've always had a bunch of binders around.

And I just put the cards in there.

And I was like, wow.

And then I made a list of all the cards I don't have and was like, one day I'll go out and I'll, I'll hunt them down when this all sort of settles down and everything gets a little less crazy.

However, I have a stack of, I'm going to say, 300 plus cards that I don't know what to do with because they aren't, I'm not going to play.

So then I was like, well, maybe I'll, maybe I should.

make like a commander deck or like make something else with it.

And so I started going through it and I was like, oh, would it be funny if I made a Moogle deck?

So I started doing like a Moogle thing.

And I, there's like a website.

I think it's like Mox something.

I don't know what it is.

Moxfield.

Yes.

And so I was on there and I was like putting a thing together.

And I realized at some point that it's, it's, it's like, oh, hey, this card would go go with that or this would go good with that.

And

it turns out that if I wanted to make a deck according to this website, and I guess online as well, because I was looking at Reddit, I would have to then go buy cards from other sets to complete the deck I wanted to to make.

And I was like, Can I just make a thing with Final Fantasy?

Like, no, no, you can't.

I was like, Okay, well, what if hold on, hold on, Moogles won't work.

What if I make like a Heidelan deck?

I was like, That'd be fun.

It could be white, and we could do like we could be super cool.

And it was like,

Yeah, no, you could have Aerith.

I was like, Well, I don't know that Aerith, because I want it to be themed.

And they're like, No, no, no, that's not how this shit works.

You can't, you have to have Aerith and Gandalf in there.

I'm like, Aerith and Gandalf?

What?

They're good if you're doing like Vinod and stuff, too.

Right.

And so I was like, Okay, um,

that's cool,

but what are the

clacking away?

I'm like, Gandalf is five bucks in order to make this goof set.

I got to get a five-dollar Gamma.

It's like, what do you make?

So I was like, all right,

I have an Emmet Selk, and I have a ton of these cards.

This could be fun.

What if I make like an ASIAN deck and I call it Sassian and I get all the cards that have like really funny, sassy text?

Wouldn't that be cute?

That would cost me in a to make my that deck.

It would cost me an additional $120.

I was like,

what do do you mean?

So then I was like, okay, okay.

There are about 80 trillion Kefka cards in here.

What if I be a basic bitch and make a Kefka deck?

And I use all, and it's like, great.

Yeah, that could be fun.

And I started putting, I'm like, okay, this works.

This works.

And then I look at the cards it says I need and I'm like, all right, well, it's only like six cards.

That's cool.

Type it in.

Those six cards.

are so expensive online.

Like one of them alone was 75 bucks.

I was like,

this is for a goof not even like this is what i'm gonna play i'm gonna take it to tournaments this is all goofery and i was like i can't i can't do that like part of me i can't do that so now i just have cards that are just sitting there i don't know what to do with them

no here's here you've fallen into a trap and the trap was you were trying to optimize these decks instead of making them silly

you should do it silly so i don't know if you have anybody you can play commander with commander is what these products are it's ones where you have a commander it's your your face card.

You could have Kefka, he's the face.

You can always play him.

You can build around a theme and you just have to find the right power level playgroup to play with.

And when you see a $100 card that people say, you got to get it in there.

Do you actually have to get it in there?

No, unless you're doing a really specific combo.

Like, that's totally unnecessary.

I have decks that are like, it's $100 total.

I have decks that are like $500 total.

It's the $500 deck better than the $100 deck.

No, it's just because it has more expensive, fancy lands in it.

It makes it dumb.

But yeah, I think like buying singles is the way to build a deck, but also you don't have to make your deck super good.

You can just make your deck okay.

Like my Moogle deck, I didn't want to make it good, but in order to make, because there's only exactly

four Moogle cards total.

Yeah, so it doesn't really work.

Yeah, so in order to make a Moogle, because in my mind, I was like, oh, many of these cards are like you put this card down and then you can use the Moogle tokens and just start spamming it.

I was like, that's hilarious.

I love the idea of an army of Moogles.

It's very Final Fantasy VI.

Let's go.

That'd be hilarious.

But anything to make it work was from other sets.

So I'd have to just start buying.

I was like, I can't, I just can't win.

This is what.

And the problem is, is because the magic cards I do have from the olden days are literally 25 years old.

Actually, probably 27 at this point.

So most of them are essentially unusable.

They exist, and I'd have to find a group of people that don't give a shit, but like

they're kind of, you know, there's more modern versions of cards that are just better.

And I'm like,

cool.

So

I think like the one of the reasons that it's enticing, because people are saying, like, there's no reason for a newer player or an unseasoned player to have like a tournament winning deck, right?

Which is totally fair.

But I I think the reason that it's enticing to look up an optimized deck is because when you're not used to playing or you've never played or you haven't played in a long time, it feels like there are two big variables you have to get a handle on.

One of them is what cards should be in my deck, and one of them is how do I play it properly?

And if you look up a deck, you don't have to worry about that one, right?

You can be like, well, it's not the cards because people way smarter than me said these are the right cards.

So instead, I can just focus on

learning how to play properly.

Right.

I don't think it's always about

wanting to win.

It's it sometimes it's like I think that if I know I have the right cards then I can just focus on understanding the game better if that makes sense.

Sure sure sure.

But like a lot of people, they want to win.

So they want to make even their kind of goofy themes as good as they can.

And it stinks though because people will fall into the I have to have the best right now.

I can't gradually update like maybe i play a couple rounds with my game or like with my deck and now it's like oh well i liked playing this i'll spend 20 and i'll get some upgrades but yeah the um

at least you were trying to build decks i think that that is a step beyond what a lot of people who came in with final fantasy did because a lot of them they got these pre-cons which again selling for way more than they should have I even saw like the starter kit decks super marked up.

I have all these here, by the way, because the same thing, Wizards of the Coast sent them to me.

I probably would have bought like one booster box for myself.

I don't buy collectors boosters.

I'm not a collector booster person.

I don't need fancy art.

I just need the cards in some form.

And if I don't get them, I can proxy, which is where I print out my own versions of cards.

Some of which look semi-real and they'll have like a fake card back, and some of which do not look real at all.

Because it's like, I want to put my favorite, my little pony character on this card.

And I found a good art that somebody did of it.

So put it together.

I mean, that's like,

I want to go back to what was said earlier first because

you nailed me in the best way possible where I was like, yeah, I want to make the goofiest deck imaginable, but I want to win with that deck because that's funnier to me.

Like, I like the idea of beating people with silliness.

It always has amused me.

Even when I played Hearthstone for a while, I would only make Murlock decks.

just to be and after a while everyone knew how to counter them but for me I was like yeah it's so funny, and that's what I love.

But I realized at the end of the day,

just like you were saying, Amy, is that

yeah, for me, all of this, like I have a bunch of like hard shell little case things and stuff.

And the cards that I care about, the ones that matter to me, are the ones that are like

alternate art of stuff.

You like the shiniest, yeah.

It's not even about the foils or the, you know, like the surge.

I don't even care about that stuff.

I like the ones that just look different that are like,

you know, old school art stuff from like Final Fantasy lore, the things that are really cool.

Like one of the ones I love the most is the, the, there's like,

you know, a Terra one that is really cool and it's like brand new a mono art.

I love...

There's one that's Vanah and I love that one.

Like there's, there's great ones.

And I want to, those are the ones I want to collect.

I want to collect the ones that are just really cool The problem is some of them are valuable in ways that are not nerd related They're more game related like there's one card where literally it's just the end boss of Final Fantasy IX

But apparently that card when you play it is really good in decks like black decks where I think if you play it it does a thing but also gives you four

black land or some nonsense and so it's just very valuable online and i'm like all i want it is for the art.

I think that's really cool.

I would never use that.

I just want to collect it because I like, and I think that's the thing with this set is players aren't doing it for

magic.

They're doing it because like, I like that thing.

It reminds me of a thing I played 25 years ago.

And that's not usually a problem with magic because the universe is beyond stuff that other IPs is new.

Like.

The reason a pack is expensive usually is because it has a really strong card that gets played competitively, not because it has your blorbo in it.

And it's like, I totally understand spending money on pictures of my favorite guy.

I've been to anime conventions before and I've been like, I need this poster of Sephiroth so bad right now.

You don't even understand.

Here's $20.

That's my life.

It's weird because I'm seeing people spend ludicrous sums for Vivi.

And while the VV cards are awesome and I love that.

And I'm glad people are going out of their way to like love on Vivi because he's a little keypie.

It's

a great card and a great character.

Yeah, it's just so much money.

Yeah, I can't believe how much money.

Like, I was, um, obviously, I get it when the chocobo cards are super rare and there's only so many.

And you look online, they're like a thousand bucks plus.

I'm like, I get it.

They only made so many of those.

It's fine.

That I understand.

That's scarcity and rarity and all that stuff.

Fine.

But then when you go down the list, like online, the list of um

i need to look this up because it's so silly to me.

What is considered important in the world of Magic the Gathering right now?

But, like, obviously, Chocobo's, then Cloud, then Sephiroth.

But then it, like, quickly devolves into,

you know, like all the first row, things that are important.

They aren't important cards.

It's literally 640 bucks for Sephiroth.

Cloud, Yuna, Lightning, Kefka, Tifa, Vivi, Sephiroth, the Buster Sword, Sephiroth again, Clive, Aerith, Emmett Selk, Gogo, Vivi, Squall, Cloud, Sephiroth again, every Sephiroth card, a banger.

It's a good card.

That's actually,

that's one of the weird overlay ones where actually the Sephiroth card, everybody wants pictures of Sephiroth.

He's hot.

I get it.

But also, good card.

Good card.

Yeah.

But again, Noctis, Vincent, Terra, Lightning again, Buster Sword again.

We're still on main characters.

I thought for sure something would be important but no most of it's just main characters and cool art and i'm like that's so far proving amy's point right yes that like good news is primarily getting grabbed by people who just love final fantasy and have a you know like favorite characters that they really want cards of these surge foils and alt arts they usually unless it is also a super strong card don't sell for that much.

A great like example would be the Doctor Who said, I have tons of surge foils from Doctor Who and they are worth pennies, even though they were the super chase treatment that you could only get in collector's boosters.

It doesn't matter unless it was specifically one of the cards that's really strong.

It was like everybody lives or farewell, something that is actually seeing play.

But with Final Fantasy, thankfully, as the set has come out, the prices are coming down and they're stabilizing because people are realizing

it's not worth that much to magic players.

The speculative buyers from like the Pokemon universe, yeah, they're spending money on this, but

it is starting to fall, at least for some of these ones.

I had opened a

twal from Final Fantasy VIII.

He's the main dude.

He's the protagonist.

I got a surge foil of him.

The card is not very good, but for some reason, it was selling for like $100 at the time I opened him.

And it was like, this is ridiculous.

This is not a good card.

I think it's down to like $30 now for that.

And it will probably fall a bunch more as more people open these boosters and as the people who want these things get the things that they're looking forward to.

I guess fill out their binders.

And then the regular arts, as those get out in circulation, us actual magic players can just snap those up for a couple bucks and fill out.

That's what I'm waiting for.

I don't have a desire to collect like the foils and the really expensive ones.

I just want to get one of every card, even if it's like the basic normal card.

Like I don't.

However, there are some cards that I'm just really impressed with the art.

And I'm like, that's one I want to have just for that art.

I like the way that looks.

But,

you know, like a great example of what you were just talking about is I pulled a surge foil Tifa, which when it, you know, when it first dropped

was 500 something dollars.

Now it's 121.

And that makes sense to me.

That drop, I expected to drop more.

I'm like, I don't understand

why it's so much, but like, okay.

Tifa, right?

I get it, but there's many.

We hit the peak and it's coming down now.

It'll stabilize somewhere.

I don't know where it will stabilize, but yeah.

What's weird about it is that there are multiple Tifa cards and the one that's expensive is the one where she's just like, I'm Tifa.

There's nothing really exciting about the card.

There's other ones where she's punching and kicking and looking like a badass, but it's just one where she's like,

and I guess it's the art plus the fact that the numbers, like there's clearly reasons for it.

It's the rarer version.

It's the rarer version.

It was made.

I think that all the character arts are made by Final Fantasy artists.

This one is Yashiro Ambe.

Yeah.

And so like, it's done by them.

But if you want to see an expensive Tifa and you want to see what a actually very limited edition card looks like, there was a Tifa that was a promo from Magicon Vegas.

You could only get it if you were at this convention, you played in a tournament, and I believe got in the top eight.

So there was like, I think like one of these tournaments each day.

I think they might have been

RCQs or something, like regional qualifiers.

Yo, 2018?

Is that the one?

It's promo card 0002.

It's the Nimayashi art and it's got Tifa in her dress from the

labor scene.

And that one is going for like a thousand.

And they were selling for at the convention.

Like people picked them up and were like, I will give you $2,000 for it.

And that is, that is the level of like sought after because there were a very limited, like maybe 100 of these exist.

It was for the top 128.

There you go.

So it was like 128 people have this card.

That's crazy.

And there's an even rarer one, I think, that's going to be coming up.

And that's the exact same thing.

Yeah, that's valuable.

Now that's of a, also, I think.

I'm seeing online.

Thankfully, there's a lot of like magic shops and things like that in the area here in LA.

So I went to a card store and got one.

So I'm fine.

But they also have, if you play

locally, they're giving away cards as well.

And one of them, Dodger, you'll know this is the Lidibus scene where he's like, all my stones.

That's, it's, it's just a D Spark card, but it's like, that thing's like $80 to $100 online.

It was a free giveaway.

Like that, but I guess because you had to go to a place and it's rare and that.

But this Tifa one, that actually makes sense to me.

The card's awesome.

Also, it's a good card.

Like, yeah, the card's awesome.

Um, I built a deck in Magic Reen.

That's one of the digital platforms that consistently gets like turn three kills with Tifa.

And I like released this right after Sec came out.

I was like, This, this card is a problem.

You need to stop her.

Well, I had like, it was like a 95% win rate.

And the one game I lost was to another Tifa player that went first.

And I'm like,

there's a problem here.

And the problem's freaking Tifa.

It's this chick over here.

It's so funny when it's like, oh, you think Cloud is strong?

You think Sephiroth is strong?

No, it's Tifa.

You have to be afraid of Tifa.

I mean, agreed.

First off, yes.

But also,

like, this I understand.

Rarity and people willing to pay for something.

I get that completely.

It's some of these other ones I just don't understand.

Like there's one, it's like

Shantoto's Coersion or something like that.

And there's like a version of it that has fun art where it's like her but there's other little lala or i guess taru taros behind her yes and that thing is final fantasy 11 arrow that's they're taru taros

yeah what a fool i am but like that is that card's pretty expensive online too and i have no clue why i guess it must be good index Yes, that is an example of a card that it's Shintoto's Corcin.

And I think that art is actually from the Final Fantasy trading card game that you showed a pack from earlier.

And they reused some of the art in Magic.

I know that's so junky, but like Chetota Disquersion is an alt art for Diabolic Intent, which is a tutor card that you sacrifice a creature that lets you take any card out of your deck and put it into your hand.

So it's good because of that.

That's like a good mechanical card.

Yeah, it's like 15, 20 bucks online.

It's weird because I'm in that.

part of it where I'm not buying anything, but I really want to see what the prices are.

Because if it's cheap enough, I just might.

And so I'm looking online, looking at different things, but it's all still, I'm like,

I'm going to wait.

I can't, yes, I can't justify my insanity.

Or find a friend who's got the card and we'll just give it to you.

And I know, like, I've heard you talk about this before, that takes a lot of work.

It takes a lot of time.

But there's also this, like, if you want to get involved into the purchasing and selling side of magic, like a lot of people bought into the set because they're like, I could open this card and it will be this expensive and I could sell it for this much.

No, you can open this card and then take the time to list it online, hope that it will sell for some amount of money, let TCG Play or eBay or whatever take their cut, and then you have to go to the post office and you have to ship it and you have to buy the packing materials and you've spent all this time and all this money for $10 on a thing you already spent $10 for.

It's

not something people should get into.

You should like, all right, Jesse, if you have a list of cards that you want, just let me know.

I might have them and I could just put them in an envelope and send them to you because you're somebody I know.

And it's like, that's chills.

I was

talking about with Jesse is I have friends who, who collect Pokemon cards and they literally will just contact each other and be like, hey, I'm looking for this card if you come across it.

And sometimes they'll do trades.

And it's like, it's, you know, it's cute.

It's like a

fun,

like back and forth hobby.

How do you feel about SIDS?

Okay, so I actually have a problem.

So I've opened a booster box, a fat pack, a gift bundle a collector's a couple collectors boosters and even more just regular boosters because i was given some at magicon vegas i have opened zero sids zero in any of them which it's an uncommon

yeah you would think i would have a bunch of sids it's uncommon where is it also hilariously i was going through the cards and i was thinking

there is There are absolutely no Final Fantasy 16 characters.

It just turns out I didn't get any.

I'm missing the most cards I'm missing is Final Fantasy 16 stuff.

There's not a goddamn,

there's not a Sid in here either.

I'm going to keep looking.

I got more wind crystals.

I got more squalls.

That's great.

I already have these cards.

I already have these cards.

I'm missing Final Fantasy 16 Sid, Final Fantasy 15 Sid, Final Fantasy 12 Sid.

Well, 16 Sid, I think, is like one of the hottest ones.

So he's going to be kind of hard to find.

Which one?

16.

That's it.

He's very handsome.

Oh, please.

It's Final Fantasy VI Sid with his big hat and long beard and his little yellow jacket.

That's the winner.

That's just a funny little guy.

Yeah, he's a little, he's a little guy.

Or the one in the big, like chubby pilot suit.

Oh, I love that guy.

Yeah,

I'm missing so many of those, but also just random.

Like, there's.

Do you want me to ask Sam if he's got any duplicates of Sids?

or any Sids in the city?

I need some Sids.

I'm missing the Sids.

And Sid is unfortunately going to be a card that is more expensive because it has the text.

You can put any number of these in a deck, which even if it's not that strong, people will build these meme decks.

Sometimes that kind of card does get very strong.

A good example would be Brat Colony, Hair Apparent, Slime Against Humanity.

And sometimes it's Sid, which is just fun.

But you can run all 15 of them in a deck with their different arts.

Or you could put in 40 of them all with the same art.

I love that.

Yeah, I'm like a...

Part of me.

So I've separated everything.

This is really funny to me.

I've separated all my cards by game

and that's the way to sort them I guess most people do by color no no no I did by game that's oh no my binder is psychotic if you were trying to look through it for by color you screwed up I did it by game and then in Final Fantasy 14 I did it because there's so many Final Fantasy 14 cards I did it by expansion so certain cards are just It's like, yeah, here's the first game and here's the next game.

I'm never going to play with those.

I'm never going to use them.

For me, I'm like, yeah, because this is when Estinian shows up.

Oh, well, I can't put Emmett here.

He's got to go back to the fourth.

Did you title?

Because we have A Realm Reborn and Shadowbringers and Endbringer.

We have those as card names.

So do you put those as

literally the start of every single one of those things?

So the Shadowbringer, it starts with all the Shadowbringers, and then when it gets to End Walker, it's all the End Walker cards.

Oh, yes.

Oh, yes.

I know who I am.

You know what?

I'm glad you're enjoying, I guess, looking at the cards and putting them into a binder.

If you ever want help building a deck, just let me know.

I reached out to you, I think, before the stick came out to be like, I'll help you design a deck that you could bring to a local game store and play with it.

I love that.

The only problem is what you need.

I have all these cards and I don't know what is keepable and what is a card.

I should just be like, hey, I'm going to an event.

If people want some of these cards, I would love to throw cards at you.

You know what I mean?

And so I have cards that I think are playable and I've set them aside and like this could be a future deck.

But then I just have piles,

piles of cards.

So many.

Yes.

I'm going to play Magic of the Gathering this weekend for the first time since I was a teenager.

I'm very excited.

That's lovely.

Do you know what you're playing?

Like, what kind of bad?

I'm going to go hang out with my friend Kiwo, who's really into Magic the Gathering.

She was like, I'm going to teach you how to play.

So I'm having a deck put together for me so that I can learn.

And I'm very excited.

So maybe we can play together a little bit once I've figured out what to do.

I will say, if you don't have to put your deck together, the pressure is minimal.

Yeah.

That's what I was saying before.

It's like, bro, if they were like, yeah, we'll just give you a bunch of cards and you could like figure out a deck.

I would have been like, I'm already overwhelmed.

I think being given a deck lets you be like, okay, let me learn how to play.

Borrowing a deck is the best way to do it.

And as for how to quickly sort for value from a set, holding on to rares is usually a good idea.

A lot of them are kind of worthless and not that good.

So like set aside the things that have the gold or the red stamp, rares and mythic rares.

Then look up what the good commons and uncommons are that are selling for more than like a dollar.

Typically, they'll be something that's seeing play in standard or another format.

Those are competitively played cards.

Set those aside.

And everything else is draft chaff.

You can donate it to a local library.

A lot of people do that.

You just hold on on to it as bulk, just like you have it for the sake of having it.

A lot of people will just throw them in the trash because they are not truly recyclable, which is a bit of a shame.

They're too ink laden.

That's practicing.

Oh, that sucks.

There's a Final Fantasy 14 like get-together this weekend after Anime Expo.

And I really just want to go and bring my cards and be like, take them.

Take a shoebox and be like, hey, man, I got these extra cards.

Check out.

Oh, my God.

I really just want to be like, you would love these, right?

Please remove them from my life.

Yeah, they've been sitting there for exactly four weeks.

There's so many cards that I'm like, I don't know what to do with these.

Yeah.

It's, you can, yeah, you can collect your pet cards, though, but like everything behind me, this is pretty much all magic cards.

I have way too many of them.

And I have like purged through the collection before of like, these are cards that are never going to see play.

Occasionally, five years after a card comes out, 10 years, 20 years after a card comes out, they print another card that synergizes perfectly with a random jank card from ages ago.

And you can hold on to a card just in case.

Just in case that happens.

But it's usually not.

That's so much effort.

I must stress, I just noticed in the background the secret layer bag.

I've never been so disappointed in a launch of anything in my life as the secret layer Final Fantasy stuff.

That was,

that sucked.

I was.

I was there exactly one minute after it went live.

I knew I'd be in a queue.

I was fine.

I was like, okay, that's fine.

I'll be in a queue.

It

was gone.

Like just gone.

For anybody who's not a magic person, Secret Lair are these,

they used to be print to order.

Now they are, they print them and there's a certain quantity and they put them for sale at noon Eastern on a Monday and they sell out until they're gone.

But there's a queue system for them, which for these extremely high demand IP tie-ins, specifically Marvel and Final Fantasy, they have attracted such horrible numbers of scalpers and people who want to purchase them for themselves that not only is the queue like six plus hours and you're not guaranteed to get them, but also there's essentially people jumping the line to buy these specially printed magic cards.

And by that I mean like this, I made a little video about like the exploits people were doing with the Marvel one.

They were not fixed for the Final Fantasy one.

If you went to the checkout page at a certain time, it would just let you start checking out, even if you were still in the middle of the queue.

If you queued up early by adding something else into your cart, it would let you check out early.

There's a bunch of different things you could do, and you could also buy up to like 30 of them.

So if you're like, I'm going to be reselling these on eBay, you can.

Because you'll get money on them.

It's dumb.

It's not even Wizards of the Coast.

For somebody who says Wizards of the Coast is bad with tech, they outsource this.

This is

Scale Fast and another company.

It's not Wizards of the Coast.

Wizards of the Coast just determines, I think, the quantity of them.

And then it's like, you handle the logistics because logistics are hard.

Yeah,

looking online and seeing what

every one of the cards sold out.

Foil, the Japanese variants, the normal ones, they all sold out.

Yeah, I sat in that line, that queue for six hours.

And at a certain point, it stopped.

And I was like, well, I got stuff to do.

I got to go.

I let everyone in the office.

I was like, let me know if I make it through event.

And eventually I did.

And it was like, everything sold out.

Do you want anything still?

I was like, no, shut it down.

I'm so upset.

Like, it took so long.

I had to leave to go other places.

That's how long it took.

And yeah, you're absolutely right.

Basically, the people in the front bought multiple, multiple, multiple, multiple packs.

Yeah.

And now, if you go to eBay or whatever, there's neat demand.

Wizard of the Coast has a money printing machine, And people are lined up to give them cash for this.

It's as ridiculous.

Like, this is why I don't do it.

Like, back in the day, I would be on that Nike app because it was like, the shoes are dropping, which it's a shoe.

Why are we dropping shoes?

Collector's shoes.

Yeah, nobody's shooting.

Did you ever buy them?

Never once did I get, I would be in line, and then like, sorry, we're sold out.

I'm like,

so yeah, my hatred of scalpers is

consistently high.

And I think

all of you are the worst people ever.

But

genuinely, just I can't.

Yeah, that turned me off from that.

So having that experience again with magic cards, I was like, nah, Secret Layer can kiss my ass.

Like, I'm done with it.

Just get it, get it out of there.

Yeah.

It's, it's really a bummer, though, that like, there's, there are cards that you can only get in these ways.

Sometimes it's, they're mechanically unique, too.

So, like, you cannot purchase them in packs or buy them as singles cheaper somewhere else.

It's just, it stinks for everyone.

And I hope they go back to these being print to order.

So if somebody, say, wants a picture of their favorite character on a card, they could pay a price directly for it.

Like they're not cheap to buy these secret layers either.

They could just buy them.

Yeah, this backpack was from like the second or first ever secret layer launch.

It was really weird how it went.

And it's actually like a bartending kit in there.

It's very strange.

It came in a cooler, which is currently at some Hurry house holding gardening equipment because it doesn't fit in my apartment.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah, listen, there's they'll send me weird ways to promote these things that I don't really understand.

I think it was the summer super drop.

Yeah, it was the summer super drop, I think, was what that was called.

But we thought that secret layers are going to be like a once-a-year thing.

And it's like they're once every like, I mean, originally it kind of was.

Because I remember back in the day, I got like a secret layer oh god i'm trying to think like astrological sign card yeah

they did those ones like print to order um they were releasing like one a month based on like the astrological signs yeah i got a tourist one i was like that's very nice of them that's

i am

perfect shout out to the may babies um but like i really was I was like, oh, that's nice.

I definitely want to order from them one day.

And the one time I go to order, it's like, no, bitch.

I was like, like well all right we're done yeah there's this made so much bad will for not just the people from like the final fantasy side who are just like i want my pictures of my favorite characters but the person who i would say is the secret lair fan um they go by uh chase uh or mana curves uh this person

was like, I can't, I can't with this.

Uh, this person has bought like every single secret lair, has a secret lair only deck, um, is well known for this.

I think you could find them guest appearancing appearancing on various shows too, with this deck and with Secret Layer content.

And Chase was just like, this is terrible.

This was bad.

I had breakfast with them at Vegas and it was like,

I'm disappointed and I don't think I'm buying all of them moving forward.

And if the

Secret Layer fan says that, you know, you've messed up real bad.

Yeah.

Yeah.

What sucks about that is knowing that

on a corporate level, it doesn't matter.

You know what I mean?

Like

they're still, they made a bunch of money and they sold all their cards and that's kind of what matters.

Will there be repercussions?

We'll find out, I guess.

But like on a corporate level, they sold everything quickly and made a lot of money.

And somewhere guys like,

good work, boys.

Like that's, that sucks.

That's not cool.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like if you look at the earnings reports for Wizards of the Coast specifically, they're up and up and up and up.

Hasbro, though, still slipping, still falling.

And like, they're propped up by Wizards of the Coast.

So they're going to keep, I guess, bleeding that pig until they can't anymore, exchanging kind of this short-term profit for, you know.

turning off new players because i think some people did get in with final fantasy and then immediately got out because they didn't like how this went yeah i'll be interested to see what happens with the next set because i think you know, that's that's one of the universe is within.

It's edge of eternities.

It has a cool story.

It's space, kind of.

It's the magical equivalent of space.

And I think it might be a good set.

I don't know.

But right after that is Spider-Man, which I don't, I don't really know if I'm going to like the Spider-Man.

I like Spider-Man characters, but there's a whole IP kerfuffle with it.

I play mostly digital.

We're not actually getting the Spider-Man cards.

Not because they're not legal in the format.

They are legal in the format.

Because of probably a competing Marvel IP agreement with Marvel Snap, they cannot print Marvel characters into Magic Arena.

So instead, we're getting, I guess, a Racknoboy.

We're going to get completely different art and different names of the exact same cards.

So I'm just out here like, am I going to have to memorize two names and two arts for every single card?

Because I think I'm going to, I'm not going to have Doc Ock, I don't have Nurse Squid, and I don't know what's going on.

I have never wanted to play more.

When you tell me that I can be like

multiple armed limb man, I want to.

It's going to be like legally distinct

cards that are the same.

And I don't know how much they're going to lean into that.

I'm going to do that so badly.

I wouldn't need it to be.

I'd be disappointed if it's not now.

They're not getting printed in paper.

They're only in digital.

But I, people have already said, like, I'm going to print these out.

I'm going to bring these to my local tournament because they're legally what it looks like on the card in the game.

So why can't I?

That's so funny.

I've been seeing a lot of the Sonic ones lately, which I guess are from a secret layer, I think.

Yeah, that's a secret layer.

I hope it doesn't crazy sell out because I want to buy.

I want to buy it.

I'm letting you know.

It definitely, everyone's like, oh my God, it's selling out immediately.

Which again,

because the shadow card is really good, which, yeah, they made Shadow the freaking hedgehog into a competitive card.

Thanks.

But the rest of them is like, it's cute.

I just, I don't know, man.

I hate to say it, but like, I'm a nerd who's friends with a lot of other nerds, and a lot of them just kind of really like Sonic, like, like, really like Sonic, like, really like Sonic, and they want those cards.

We're aware.

We have, we have, we have a friend who we added as a huge Sonic fan because he has a bath mat that sexually harasses him.

So it's, you know,

I'm sorry.

What?

It's a bath mat.

It has Rouge the Cat on it or Rouge the Bat on it.

And it says, pissing all by yourself, handsome.

Oh, I love that picture.

Yeah.

I know exactly what that picture.

Yeah,

I don't know if I could say this on your show, but does your friend also have the matching Shadow the Hedgehog nice cock or no?

We did look up the matching Shadow the Hedgehog.

The gun?

Yes.

Yep.

Yep.

Yeah.

He wants us to say he's not a Sonic fan, but I know.

He was like, it's just a good goof, guys.

I don't actually like sonic

sure he's like just because i had a sonic oc with a backstory i'm like

dude

but like who doesn't guys

we all know at least one sonic fan that's really into sonic yeah no i

i follow a bunch of like my friends on tumblr and i love when i'm like scrolling and scrolling so like oh there's uh sonic and shadow and they're kissing okay that's great scrolling scrolling scrolling like yeah that's my bud from high school we're great

Yeah.

The only experience I have with Sonic, besides the old games, I haven't played any of the new ones, but like the old games and seeing the movies, which I thoroughly enjoy, is living vicariously through Crendor because he, like, for some reason goes to Sonic things.

And he went to a Sonic concert and he got COVID there.

And I was like, that makes so much sense to me.

Everything about what you just said, I went to a Sonic concert and got COVID.

Speaks false.

No, it's like, there's like Magic fans.

They're down there and like Yi-Gio fans, and then there's like Sonic fans, they're under the table kind of rolling in something.

I don't know, I don't want to know what it is.

It's all right.

I saw a Final Fantasy guy post that we all need to stop falling for big industry telling us we need to use deodorant.

Our own body scent is fine.

I was like, don't do this.

No, don't listen to me.

Please tell me as a joke.

No, it was a real thing.

Where he was like, he's like,

we've been told that we need to, you know, my body doesn't smell at all and I don't use any deodorant.

I was like, no, don't do this.

Please don't do this.

I was like, you got to be around everyone.

Don't do this.

Yeah, go into a card shop on a hot, sweaty day.

Like, it's like 90 out here in Boston and it's like 70% humidity.

Go into your local card shop.

Sure, they got AC running.

Not enough.

Not enough.

AC can only do so much.

Oh, it really can't.

I love somebody's like, yeah, Yu-Gi-Oh!

has a hygiene policy.

They had to implement a rule specifying that you could not use how disgusting your body is as a weapon to try to win the game because of the card.

Yujo friendship, because it required a handshake from your opponent and people would stank themselves up to be as untouchable as possible that they had to implement a rule.

Other games do not have to implement a rule because they are so stank nasty.

In magic, there's just kind of like, oh, generally you have to be like, have sportsmanship.

So that will include things like having decent hygiene practices.

Yes, there's if you look at up hygiene rulings for Yu-Gi-Oh!

relating to the card Yujo friendship,

which is like Yu-Gi-Oh and Joey or Jono, whatever you want to call them.

And yes, it's, this is real.

I love that.

I did not know that.

I hate that.

One of the funniest things I've ever heard because it makes so much sense to me.

Yeah, it's whenever like a weird outside the game rule for Yu-Gi-Oh is made, made, it usually has something to do with a person doing something weird at a tournament.

Like the deck size rule got implemented.

And like Magic, the deck size rule is you have to be able to shuffle it unassisted unless you are disabled.

And in Yu-Gi-Oh!,

people showed up with a deck.

There's a great photo of some men in like Blues Brothers suits holding a deck box that is like.

this long genuinely over their shoulders like they're holding a giant like flag roll or something walking into the tournament and they played with that and it took like the entire round to shuffle i love these photos but now there's a deck size limit in yu-gio

card games are great card gamers are the worst card games are great

these are different things they can yes fantastic

was that a judge for the event oh that's great yeah it's it's so funny of just like

Yeah, well,

if there isn't a rule, something about dogs playing baseball, right?

Was it dogs playing basketball?

Guys, I haven't seen Airbud for a very long time.

Airbud?

Airbud was football, basketball.

Thank you.

I think they did each of them in sequels, and I only watched them on like direct-to-TV, like VHS or whatever out of Ren's House.

So I'm sorry.

I don't think I've actually ever seen the original Airbud.

Oh my gosh, really quickly before we do outros, they did, they made, they still make like little like

series shows for kids.

One of them we watch every Halloween, and it's about three little girls that find out that they're witches, and the Airbud part comes in because they figure out how to transform into cats, and they become Airbud cats.

It's amazing.

Is this technically part of the Airbud franchise?

Hold on.

Hold on.

Yes.

I had to look this up because

in my mind, I thought, okay, Airbud.

Football, basketball, I get it.

But I was about to say, wouldn't it be funny if you did baseball?

Because that makes no sense.

How would a dog play baseball?

He's not all the sports, Jesse.

So first off, there was Airbud.

That's basketball.

There's Airbud, golden receiver, that's football.

There's Airbud, World Pup, that's soccer.

There's Airbud seventh inning fetch, baseball.

Airbud spikes back.

He plays volleyball.

How?

Then Airbud has kids called the Air Buddies.

And the Airbuddies, there's Air Buddies one, and that is they're there.

It's about the dogs being cute, I guess.

But then there's Air Buddies two, which is called snow buddies, and they meet a husky.

I assume they're in Alaska, but then the most logical choice after going to snow is space buddies, where they go to space.

Then there's Santa Buddies, where they meet Santa, spooky buddies, where they get haunted, treasure buddies where they go treasure hunting, and super buddies where they're superheroes.

But that's not all because then they they released two more movies.

One called The Search for Santa Pause and then Santa Pause 2, The Santa Pups.

This is out of control.

This is too, we went, we flew too close to the sun with this one.

And that's not even everything that like the Airbud company has made.

Those are just the Airbud

universe movies.

That's because...

And we saw first ones had amazing like puns to the name.

They just gave up.

They're like, yeah, kids.

Crazy.

That's That's so good.

That is such a good name.

There's a spin.

Oh my God, there's a spin-off movie.

There's a spin-off movie called Airbud MVP.

What do you think MVP stands for?

Most valuable

pup.

Most valuable primate.

It's a story about a monkey playing hockey.

They let a monkey play hockey.

There's nothing in the rules that says a monkey can't play hockey.

I guess.

No.

I don't even

you know

there's a YouTube why not there's a YouTube trailer and

it is exactly what you would think wow great so glad I looked into that cinematic universe

man we've covered so many bases today we did we asked so many good questions about goofy just like airbud

Hey, anybody who's listening right now, just so you know, during the pre-show, Amy and I really did a deep dive about goofy um so his marriages his divorces his children his adventures

have a little adventure

wow unfortunately we have to start wrapping up here gang

i don't mean to stop the the airbud exploration but i'm just glad i know about it now

Actually, you know what?

I'm not glad I know about it.

I'm a little upset that I know about it.

This isn't knowledge I want in in my head and this is going to stick with me forever that's fair

well while you're pouring over that information what else are you going to be doing this week amy i'm going to be playing magic the gathering over on my twitch channel twitch.tv slash amazonian which is what i do like all the time

We get our dabs in before they kill Jesse.

I mean,

yeah, I've been playing with the Final Fantasy cards.

I build decks decks around characters in a format called Brawl, and I'm actually releasing a whole bunch of Final Fantasy IX stuff this week because it's Final Fantasy IX's 25th birthday.

Happy birthday.

I guess Zidane and Kuja and Garnet and all those.

Amazing.

Hell yeah.

What about you, Jessu?

What are you doing?

Well, man, I'm going to keep.

So I started for some.

It was a brand deal, but now I'm just addicted.

I was playing Rogue Trader.

Never have before.

Love it.

Rogue Trader.

Love it.

I am going full chaos.

From moment one, I was like, pure heresy.

Let's go.

And it's been a joy.

When I was playing, chat was like, there's a deal so you can get where you have a hot goth mommy.

Immediately stopped the brand deal, downloaded the deal.

See, I was like, all right, let's do this.

So now I'm going completely psychotic evil.

And everywhere I go, I'm just trying to figure out what the best chat option is to get people to turn.

I'm having a wonderful time.

And then, yeah, I want to to jump into the altars because

I want to see the story so badly.

Hopefully it has an easy mode because I don't want to do the mechanics of the game of like managing.

I don't want to manage.

I just want a story.

And then hopefully when all that's done, I'll jump into very easy mode on Death Stranding 2.

That I'm very excited for.

I love that he put in, here's the story mode.

It's, I'm excited.

I just want to see his goofy story.

I liked the first game, but it stressed me out so much.

Now I'm like, good.

I don't have to deal with all that other stuff.

Fantastic.

So thanks, Kojima.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Sam hopped into Death Stranding 2 and did not play the first one.

He just watched like a, here's everything that happened in Death Stranding 1, and he's been loving it.

Yeah, Death Stranding 1 is a fantastic game and metaphor for life.

Like it is very clearly a metaphor for the internet.

And I don't want to spoil like the message at the end, but but it's very clear.

And then the sequel is very clearly like,

maybe we went too far.

And I love that.

I love that he's like, yeah, yeah, the internet connects everyone.

It makes everyone feel better.

Like, and it's like, no, no, no, we screwed up.

We shouldn't have done all this.

And I love that.

I think that's incredible.

And I'm really excited for the second one because it's such a great Kojima.

Like, yeah, yeah, let's talk about actually what happened.

I'm like, yes, let's do that, please.

I'm going to be gone for the rest of the week.

So I won't be back playing stuff until Monday because I'm going to be busy learning Magic the Gathering and seeing actually face-to-face humans.

But I'm hoping to play a bit more of Reika, which is the game that I started today, where you're a little fledgling witch.

That's wound up being much more fun than I thought it was going to be.

Beyond that, I also really want to play the alters, but I'm scared of the base management part.

So I don't know.

Maybe I'll let Jesse take that leap first

and see how that goes.

But otherwise, hey, gang, guess what?

If you enjoyed Geekenders, every single episode is on youtube.com/slash jessecox, including our first episode with twitch.tv slash Amazonian.

If you would like to watch our previous video,

yeah, this is take to actually two videos over on my YouTube channel, one specifically about magic.

If today you watched and you said, I would love to learn more about magic and boy, Amy's killing it.

I got a whole video over on to tell me about.

And we talk about magic magic and learning to play and the basics.

Thanks for letting me talk to you about magic at the gathering.

I appreciate that.

Thanks for doing it.

I know more now than I ever did.

And I'm like super ready to go, which is why I'm building or trying to build decks.

Let's be real.

Try.

Again, reach out.

I do.

I built so many decks.

I can point you in the right direction without breaking the bank.

Or show you how to print your own cards, which are not tournament legal, but it doesn't matter.

It's going to happen.

But also, Geek Enders is on any of the podcasties if you would prefer to listen to us as a podcast.

Otherwise, take care of yourselves.

Have an amazing weekend, an amazing week next week, and we will see you on the following Friday.

So long, gang.

Bye-bye.

Goodbye.

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