72: Confronting Octo's Past!

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Hello, everybody, and welcome to Geekenders.

Yippee!

Yippee!

I'm still Yippee pilled this many months later.

With Tim's Winnie the Pooh.

Oh, we can't see your Time's the Phoenix.

That's me.

Hello.

Oh, sorry.

Timmy the Pooh is great.

Oh, my God.

That was all

so good.

Timmy the Pooh is great.

Hold on.

Timmy the Timmy the Pooh.

I do have questions though.

One.

Okay.

Why are you at the pool?

Two.

Why do you bring your Tims to the pool?

Three.

Listen.

Yeah.

I'm just for fashion, baby.

I just think it's weird that you went to the pool and instead of having swim trunks on, you took your pants off but kept your shirt on.

It's a weird VOD, man.

Yeah, you know what?

Sometimes people aren't ready for the next stage of style and fashion, but I'm here to be a trendsetter and I'm here to show that sometimes hog out, tank top with your name on it on

and Tim's with the beanie is that's the wave.

Maybe that's the wave.

I think it is the wave.

This is the same tree as the forefathers, forefathers being wearing sunglasses inside.

What?

Yeah, they are.

Impractical fashion choice, but still definitely a fashion choice.

No, I see the vision.

Yeah, people wore sunglasses inside so that I could be hog out at the pool.

Exactly.

Their eyes look like that, so your feet look like that.

What do you mean, forefathers?

You mean just random?

Those who came before.

Those who came before forefathers.

Hello, it's me, General George Washington.

Yeah, wearing sunglasses inside.

Sure.

Yeah.

Thomas Jefferson wore sunglasses inside so that I could be hog out at the pool and jump.

That's what I was told.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's true.

Here's so, how are you?

I'm so glad you came back.

No, he wants to keep going with the bit, Jesse.

I'm so sorry.

I'm so sorry.

No, wait, no, I never mind.

No, the bit is done.

Yes, yes, yes.

I can't keep going.

I just had questions about the pool, but I have determined it doesn't matter.

It's either because it's you, there's only two options: one, yes, anime-related, or two, porn-related.

That's it.

There's no other option.

You're so, you soul read me so easily, Jesse.

That's fucked up.

I'm just saying, I know, I understand.

Just search for

the, what is it, the pool room.

I think it's just why?

No, I'm all right.

Yeah, I don't want to.

No, I'm good.

Yeah, just search.

Yeah, Hannazono room.

That's what it's called.

Hannazona room?

Yeah.

It's got a name.

It's got a name.

No, I'm all right.

I don't want to go look it up and find like, this is where 12 people were murdered.

And I have to wonder about you and be like, Octo, what are you?

Yeah.

No, it's it's nothing like that.

It's just a famous pool.

They use the poor.

It's the pool that they filmed the most amount of porn in.

Well, yes, probably, but also it's in other stuff too.

The chat is saying it's Common Rider.

Is that Common Rider?

There is, yes.

There is definitely a lot of like Toku shows that have filmed at this looking.

It's so funny.

Why is this pool?

This pool looks like the pool that your

great uncle Belvedere would have in his

penthouse loft in the the middle of downtown New York and

he only goes up there to get his like

You know his soak on he sits in there

but then eventually for whatever reason it was claimed by the state and then someone else moved in and they decided they didn't want a pool so they put a bunch of concrete inside of it but then you took over eventually and you were like I'm gonna put it back to the way that it was and you find treasure down there are you blueprints posting right now?

No, I was imagining if this was somebody trying to get a bunch of likes on TikTok.

I was thinking about blueprints, I'll be honest.

I pulled up my carpet and I found concrete.

What's under there?

What's under there?

Whoa.

Audio listeners, Octo has a pool for a background, and I don't know what that pool is.

Also, he's not Octo right now.

He is Timmy.

Yes, I am.

This is what I look like.

This is also my picture on most.

He's doing a bit.

Audio listeners.

He's doing a bit.

Rock's doing a bit.

It's a bit.

It's a bit.

Okay, you got me.

It's a bit.

It's okay.

Hi.

And that's okay.

Hi, everyone.

Hey, buddy.

Hi, everyone.

Hi.

So good.

Hey, are you aware?

I'm just going to say this up front.

Monster Prom 4 available now.

Yes.

Yes.

We're all in it.

All of our bull cheese are in there.

True.

It's true.

True.

Rock's a part of this, bad boy, and have been since the beginning.

So

you're not just supporting.

I don't tell you any different.

We've been there forever.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So pick it up today.

It's the fourth one.

It's convention time.

It's very funny.

I haven't played it myself yet, but I was watching people play it last night on Twitch.

Oh, cute.

And there were some bits that made me laugh out loud that they were playing that I thought were very funny.

Really?

Yes.

There always are.

There's always some people.

There's always good fits.

It's like so funny.

I think.

In all of the Monster Prom games, and not to call them out, I don't think I've ever encountered a single event that hasn't at least gotten like a smile out of me.

Maybe the only one that I thought was a little flat was the piss tree one, but that's it.

That's like the only one that I've ever seen.

I just wanted you to pee on him, dude.

I don't understand the problem.

The piss tree was a little strange, but like every other monster prom game I've ever played has just been fantastic.

And I love all the writing and they always knock it out of the park.

So go check it out because we're all in it and it's very funny.

Yes.

You can date me this time.

Just saying.

That's true.

I was going to say,

as I said earlier, you're the breakout character.

Doug is the big, the big sweetheart this

slime boy.

Yeah.

They do love him.

The slime boy with the dad bod.

Everybody loves it.

Yep.

Yep.

And it's convention theme.

So if you've ever been to convention or you think conventions are hilarious,

we lampoon it all, baby.

You got your lines lampooned.

Your artist alleys lampooned.

Hotel situations lampooned.

Going to to go.

Yeah, cosplay, got it.

You got all of it.

Fan art, got it.

You go see a panel and you're like, that panel sucked.

Got it.

We got it all.

I just realized that means you can date all of our characters this time.

That's cute.

That is true.

I believe so.

Cause I'm Liam.

Jesse's Doug and you're.

Aravi.

Aravi.

That's right.

Can you remember in the hunter's name?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's awesome.

Hey, all right.

Hey, we made it.

Hey, we're all here.

This is it.

This is the sign that we've done it.

Look at us.

Did Jesse always voice Doug?

Doug was in

the monster camp, and that's my voice.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

So you've been doing it since camp.

I don't think he was in Road Trip, though.

He might have been a guest.

No, no, no, no.

No.

No, no.

Oh, no.

Oh, no.

No, no.

No, no, no, no.

No, no, no.

Nice.

It's out now.

Go buy it.

Yeah, go ahead.

We were on the front page killing it yesterday.

No.

Yeah.

Bam.

Okay.

Can I talk about my thing that I wanted to talk about?

Of course you can.

Unless you guys have something you want to say first.

I don't.

First off, I don't know what this is.

I never do.

So, yeah.

And I just need to say, for the record, for those of you who saw the pre-show,

at some point we need to have a conversation about Dodger's school years because I learned some information that is.

Do you want to do that first?

No, no, no, no, no.

Let them forget about it a a little bit and then we'll do that.

Okay, fair enough.

Fair enough.

Fair enough.

So are you guys familiar with horse race tests at all?

No, the tests for the horse?

No, horse race tests.

It's a thing on Twitter where this guy has programmed these little...

They're barely horses.

They run around these like little maps and he

it's like random, right?

So when they bounce, imagine like little DVD logos that are like bouncing around and uh yeah people in chat know i see i see people cheering for jovial merriment and there's like a carrot or an apple and they have to get to the carrot or apple at the end of the stage but they have to bounce around

the walls they don't really move in a set path and they can like bounce against each other and it's like Very simple.

It's like MS Paint graphics with like gradients and stuff.

But the fan art is unbelievable.

there is so much lesbian fan art of these horses as like anime women it's utterly insane what oh the yuri fan art style the yuri fan art goes crazy it is outrageous i don't understand i don't understand what the game is though

it's not really a game it's just it's just can i

Can I guess what this is based on your description before?

Yes.

So it's like, there's a screen and you

kind of like with a marble race, you like choose a low poly horse.

You're like, that's my horse.

And then all the horses bounce around and you're hoping that your horse is going to be the first one to land on top of the fruit.

Yeah, here, here.

Yes.

That's exactly what it is.

Wait, but then how do we transition from that to anime girls in love?

Okay, so like I posted a picture of one in the chest so you can see what it looks like.

Of an anime girl?

We're talking.

No, no, no.

Of the actual game.

That's what the game looks like.

Okay.

Oh, my God.

Okay.

Yeah.

I mean, it looks like little tiny Crendor-drawn horse things.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, like, we get like,

like, this is how people are drawing the horses.

And there's, like, all this like lesbian fan art.

And they're, like, shipping the different colors together.

And, like, we love that, right?

Like, we know horse race test is for the gays and for the girlies, which is fine.

First off, this doesn't look the art you sent doesn't necessarily look like it's from that.

Instead, just when I click hashtag Final Fantasy 14 on Twitter, for example, that's what I see instead of actual Final Fantasy 14 stuff.

I have to find, oh, like, here we go.

Here we go.

It just looks like

people are drawing like fan art of the horses.

It's insane.

There's so much of it.

you know what

this is what the internet was for i'm not gonna lie this is so goofy it's great it's it's awesome oh yeah okay so here's like there was a lot people were shipping the white horse and the cyan horse together a lot okay

so like there's that there's like a lot of it

Why does a cyan horse look like there's nothing going on?

She does.

She loses.

She loses all the time.

Cyan loses.

Rooting for cyan is like rooting for the knicks like it's like yeah they haven't won since i don't know like 82 or whatever but we're still gonna come on cyan but you have to commit because someday

someday they'll win someday she'll win and i'll be there the red socks yeah one day they'll win yeah

eventually yeah i will yeah i know i was gonna say the cubs too but the cubs broke the curse as well so they'll if you keep rooting for cyan

she'll come through she'll win eventually i love that this is what you brought to us.

I also feel like this is perfect because during pre-show, Jesse and I kind of offhandedly were talking about how we've both deleted all of the social media off of our phones.

This is the shit we're missing now.

But you, yeah, but here's the thing: you have to shovel through like tons of garbage before you get to the real treasures, you know?

It's like,

how many garbage posts have I scrolled through before I found horse race tests?

You know, it's like, what am I doing?

You know, and so is it worth it for this moment here that I can share this with you?

Yes.

But otherwise, is it worth it for my mental health?

That remains to be seen.

We'll see.

We'll see.

Is there...

Hold on.

I have to look.

What?

I'll bite the bullet for us.

I'm going to see if there's fanfic on AO3 for it.

Oh, I can almost promise you there is.

I have to know.

Wait, so is this...

This seems like because

it's just little color...

I don't even know if they're horses.

I don't know what the hell these things are supposed to be.

I mean, horses is being very cheap.

They're like Grumpkuskas, yeah.

So these little color Grumpkis,

they

run this race.

There are.

But then people have associated based on

not even like this.

I feel like this is some sort of sociological study because people have embodied these things that have no personality whatsoever with personalities

to the point where now they're shipping these personalities together despite the fact that they have had none.

This isn't like,

you know, when Overwatch

yeah, like when Overwatch first popped off and people were dropping crazy fanfic and like dirty pics and stuff.

Those characters had like they had character.

You knew who that person was and that person was.

So you could sort of put put that on to your creations this just on the fly they're making characters out of nothing and then everyone's agreeing to oh yeah no that's oh cyan that's oh she never wins yeah she's jovial merriment Yeah,

shout out to Jovial Merrimint.

She keeps winning.

I want you to, can I look at the one I said in chat?

This is the Conclave crossover with horse race tests.

What do you mean?

They did a crossover with the movie that somebody made uh a crossover between horses tests and the movie conclave where they're choosing the next pope

i just

i can't believe

it's so popular some of it's like really good

like some of the art is like really good

i'm trying to think because i feel like

I'm not surprised that this has happened.

I think it's delightful.

I love because

like

communities will do this to a lesser extent, just kind of like agree on, you know, like if there's a show with a character that doesn't get a whole lot of screen time, eventually the community kind of agrees on like what their personality is like, what their home life is like, right?

Like, and they

all have like an agreed upon canon, even though it's not part of the actual thing, right?

That happens all the time.

So I think it's really interesting.

This is

entirely just based on

what happens in these games and the RNG involved has established full characteristics.

Somebody said it's gamble, it's coco melon for gamblers, and it kind of is, which is pretty, it's an apt description, but like, I really feel like this is what I want, this is what I want my algorithm to serve me is shit like this.

But instead, and all it ends up is Twitter is an app where where people send you satellite photos of your house from a burner account.

It's like, what is, why can't it be more of this?

Like, can it please just be more of this?

I'm begging you.

I'm begging you for more of like this nonsense.

It is borderline

dangerous, though.

Why is that?

I would love to hear this opinion.

As a person who has existed in many fandoms for a long time, right?

Let's take Star Wars, for example.

Okay, sure.

So there's like dudes in the background of Star Wars things all over the place.

And for years and years and years, people would be like, oh, that's,

you know,

Lorgan Gorficus.

And that guy, oh,

yeah, yeah.

And they'd like create a backstory for him and they do stuff.

And then when the official information came out, they were like, I reject this.

This is not.

And so I know that's not going to be the case here unless they somehow say we're going to make a bunch of like lore for these things but in most they should not do no they should not believe it yeah but in most fandoms when like dodger was saying oh yeah i'm a huge fan of supernatural and that background character i love and he's uh like actually

four dudes in one living inside his body and they all love each other and like and then it comes out like his name's steve he's a line cook at the local uh Arby's like and people are like boo oh boo hit you and that's dangerous because, like, you let your audience create this thing, and then you're like, actually, no, you guys were just really wrong.

And you're fandom.

I do think it's people are kind of, not that I don't adore when this happens, but you are sort of setting yourself up to be disappointed.

Yes.

If

you choose something that already has plot and lore and actual formulated characters, right?

Yeah.

Like, like in your example,

you develop what you think that that character is like and you get really attached to what you think that character is like, knowing full well, if you think about it, eventually there might be an episode where they're like, we're going to check out what Bob's doing, you know, and all of it might get thrown into the shredder.

You have no idea.

This is really different because it has no lore.

It's not a story.

It's not a story.

It's barely even a thing.

It's just, it's mobile objects in an environment moving around randomly that just even sort of look like horses.

Which is, you know,

it's the emerging nature like of this as a thing from just

moving around the screen to like, oh, the two of them move together.

I wonder if they're having an affair on Cyan.

Poor Cyan doesn't even know.

Yeah.

That's

it's crazy.

I think that the thing is, because it's such a tabula rasa, right?

Like because there's not much there, is it allows people to project whatever they want onto it.

And as long as everybody is sort of in on the joke and nobody is like, oh,

yellow and orange can't be together because, you know, as long as nobody starts policing like the thing and taking it way too seriously, which, you know, as we all know, will 100% happen.

100% happen.

I think it's all in good fun.

And like, that's what I love about it is that everyone's kind of like winking at each other and like in on the joke.

But,

you know, yeah, it's, it's fun.

It's just a goofy, fun fun thing.

And this is what I love about social media is people just get to do weird, fun shit and have a good time with it.

This is reminding me of how the reason that I started playing Cookie Run Kingdom is because the Santa cookie came out and people started drawing hot Santa cookie.

And I was like, what the fuck is this?

Oh, yeah.

Some people are way into the cookies, man.

People are very into the cookies.

Yeah.

And again, it's one of those situations where you're like, the artist didn't need to pop off this hard drawing hot cookies.

Yes.

She didn't need to do that.

But I'm glad they did.

Shout out to you guys.

Good job.

I have questions.

I mean, like, was it a chocolate chip cookie?

Like, what was hot about this cookie?

Whoa, was Santa Claus?

Was it gingerbread?

I'll find it.

I think he is a gingerbread cookie.

I got to get answers.

Jesse,

what do you know about the cookies?

What do you know about Cookie Ring Kingdom?

I know it is not a game I'll ever play.

I only have one mobile game and it features a hot cat girl and that's all I play.

Wait, Octo's the one who told me to start playing that game.

So you guys, you guys should.

What game?

Wait, which game?

Oh, AFK Journey?

I love AFK Journey.

Jesse is super.

AFK Journey is great.

I love that game.

That game is fucking awesome.

It's the only mobile game I play ever, period.

I did a sponsored stream for it, and then I ended up just like continuing to play it.

And it was really, really fun.

I'm not even sponsored.

And I am like, yeah.

yeah

plus i'm doing good things in it i haven't spent a cent i'm feeling very good about it whoa okay i got the problem is i'm getting my ass handed to me in pvp because like yeah there are clearly builds that people have and i'm like well i can't ever have that because i'm not gonna buy it but like yeah yeah other than that i'm having a great time yeah The game's great.

I really love the art style for it.

It looks like kind of like a storybook almost, like, or like an older sort of fantasy drawing.

And I like that because they're not, it's not like super overtly anime, which I mean, don't get me wrong, I love anime, but I love stuff that sort of takes a different course as well.

And so, and I like the character designs, I think it's great.

That game is super cool, super fun.

It's definitely a,

it will constantly, it will constantly remind you that it's a please pay for this kind of game.

Like, you'll be just doing a thing, and a thing will pop up and be like, oh, you got a new character?

For $15, you can unlock all this stuff about them.

I'm like, yeah, no, I will not.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You have to, you have to resist.

You have to resist the

spendies.

Okay.

I am throwing into our Discord conversation what the Santa cookie looks like in the game.

Okay.

Okay, I see him.

He does have like a...

Oh, he does have a...

Yeah.

And this is like, yeah, people dropped him.

Why on earth does he look like that?

That's not even the worst one.

No, all right.

So let me just stress.

Let me, I must stress this.

For everyone who can't see this,

the fan art is like hot Santa.

It just looks like ripped hot Santa.

But

the cookie himself

is.

He's got swagger.

Yeah.

The cookie looks.

I'm just going to say, the cookie looks like he fucks.

This cookie looks like he comes to town every Christmas.

He comes to town, baby.

Every Christmas, and he is like,

I'm looking for some ho, ho, hoes.

Like, that's what this Santa is.

I've never seen a Santa look like this.

Like, he is clearly a gingerbread cookie, but then they just gave him gorgeous hair, a like, stellar beard, no shirt, and then

they purposefully did this.

Yeah, they 100% did.

Absolutely.

Um,

I mean, like,

the way I see, I see it, I see the vision.

Once you sent me Santa Cookie, and then I was like, I know where this is going, right?

I mean, you know, ripped, big chest, you know, burly guy.

I get it.

I get what they were doing here.

So it makes sense.

They gave him arm hair, too.

This cookie has hair on his arm.

Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming it's like frost.

I'm assuming it's frosting that's supposed to be arm hair, but sure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get, I get you.

You're right.

He's too handsome.

Also,

for anyone who's ever played Final Fantasy 14, you know when Lalafells do the sneer emote and it looks like there's like

like that?

That's this guy.

He has this he has the same face as the poop emoji

that like

it's crazy

yeah or like the dream works face I feel like I need to I need to point out because I just mentioned this maybe yesterday when you said he's coming to town looking for some ho-ho-hoes.

Yes.

I was just talking yesterday about, you know, when someone says something offhandedly in your childhood and for some reason you remember it for the rest of your life?

Anytime someone says ho-ho-ho, I remember in high school a girl who said, Merry Christmas, I'm a ho-ho-ho.

And I think of that every single time.

And so I love that you made that joke.

It felt very topical to me.

She's still around, around like single or something what's going on with this girl in my hometown probably not oh

wait okay okay okay

this is a great segue i was like a great segue

yes man yes

so before the show started we were having a conversation about like you know octo was reciting from memory, I believe, the entire Gettysburg Address.

Yes.

And he said,

I had to learn this growing up and asked if we had to learn this.

And Dodger said, no, I never had to learn that.

The only thing I had to memorize was the

salute to the Christian flag.

Is that what?

Pledge of allegiance to the Christian flag.

The Christian flag.

First off.

Yeah.

What?

Second off, huh?

Yeah.

So, a really fun thing about the American education system

is

if you say that your school is a private school, none of your teachers have to know how to educate or have a degree in education whatsoever.

So when I went to high school, which was my first time in public school, I realized I had a lot of huge gaps.

in my education because my teachers weren't very good.

And I went to a weird little school in the middle of the woods that had, that went K through 12 and had 100 kids.

Okay.

I have so many questions about your

the middle of the woods school.

What do you mean?

Yeah, I was in the middle of the woods.

Just like Laura Ingalls Wilder, the little school in the big woods.

Yeah.

But

I don't understand.

Are you trying to tell me that

are you being like,

it's in the middle of the woods?

Or was it literally in the middle of the woods in the middle of nowhere?

It was next to the tree line.

So it was next to a street.

Okay, okay, I'll just drive

into it.

The tree line was there.

There was like a creek next to it.

Like it was.

No witches involved as far as I'm aware.

All right.

There are no witches

because they're going to school.

Western schools.

Okay.

Yeah.

So clearly.

But no, at the start of school, every day, while I was going to the school, we had to do the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, the normal one, which people already in other countries think is bonkers that we have to do that in school.

Yeah.

So,

Pledge of Allegiance to the American flag, bonkers.

And then immediately after, we had to do the Pledge of Allegiance to the Christian flag.

And shout out to my dad, because pretty much every day when I would come home from school, my dad would be like, all right, what'd they tell you today?

So that's cute.

But

he at one point was like, you know, they make you hold your hand over your heart, but I want you to make those kids think.

And next time, you should pledge of allegiance with your hand over your heart.

Oh, you're right.

Yeah.

Okay.

I see where you're going with that.

Yeah.

So I did that exactly once.

That's that's

so I, for my fourth and fifth grade years of school, also went to a private school.

It was

like a weird sort of very like experimental kind of school where we had to do this thing every morning called Brain Gym.

And I thought it was bogey.

Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Okay, hold your laugh.

You know what?

Go to public school doesn't seem so bad to me.

Naria chuckle.

Naria chuckle has escaped me.

Go on.

So, all right.

So apparently

there is some validity to some of these things that we had to do, but it's it's very like some of it's a little woo-woo, right?

so one of the things we had to do is they said you have to

right below your collarbones are these two spots and it's called your brain buttons and you have to basically like put pressure on there and it'll help increase your concentration and i was like what and even as a four how old are you in fourth grade like eight uh eight or nine eight something like that yeah i was like what the fuck is this i mean i did it because you know we got in trouble if we didn't right you had to work at school yeah you had to you had to and so it was like yeah okay so this is um

these are your brain buttons you have to do those and then you had to do like no no no you didn't you weren't like yeah like just below your collarbones like right just barely below like right there yes right and you didn't like you just put pressure on them essentially you would just like With one hand, you know, with your thumb and your middle finger, your thumb and your index finger, it doesn't really matter.

You would just put pressure there and do it for like 15 seconds and then rest, and then like 15 seconds and then rest.

And apparently, that was supposed to increase your concentration for the rest of the day, or at least for you know, some I don't know.

Also, we couldn't have any food with sugar in it, and we weren't allowed to sit next to the microwaves at lunch because they thought that they emitted harmful waves that would uh detrimentally affect our health.

Okay, Jesse, are you okay?

I'm looking it up and there's a lot of stuff.

Are there brain buttons?

Jesse, are there brain buttons?

Here's the thing.

I don't know that it's real because all I'm seeing are YouTube videos about it and things called like

whole brain living and

integrated learning.

Yeah.

Unlocking all the education chakras.

Yeah, I'm not seeing this in any medical journals, but I am seeing a lot of like

dudes talking about it online.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that was a lot of that.

Yeah, we weren't, like I said, we weren't allowed to have sugar in any of our food in lunches at all.

So like we couldn't have like candy or snacks or like granola bars or anything like that.

And then I'm trying to think.

Yeah, but then we had to do other things, other sort of like mental exercises like that in the morning.

Yeah, but that was my weirdo school.

And I only went there for two years.

And my parents were like, this sucks.

Go to public school.

And I was like, okay.

And then I did.

yeah public school was a huge wake-up call for me but i i i begged my parents to let me go because i was like i have no idea what kids my age are like

i'm going to a freaking school with like the same 10 kids that i've known since i was seven right like yeah i yeah i need to get out of here

I'm sure it's a conversation that a lot of like homeschool kids have, right?

Like, please let me just be in kind of a different environment.

A lot of this makes sense in kind of like uh

if anyone was to go back and watch your first videos on YouTube, dudes,

yeah, you have a vibe of definitely like,

yeah, I grew up in the woods,

you know.

Wait, wait, wait, what did he mean?

What did he mean by this?

Well, because, like, I don't know, everything from look to hair to attitude, it isn't a

like you don't seem like you've been beaten down by society you have this wild side to you in those videos which is left you've clearly been beaten down now but before you had like this thank goodness you're surprised Jesse we're almost 40 you have this like attitude that you had and you were like I don't care what anyone says about me I'm gonna do my own thing I'm gonna be my own person

That's clearly changed and I'm pretty sure I helped ruin that which I'm fine with but more importantly

What was the Christian Pledge of Allegiance?

Oh my gosh, can I remember it?

It was Pledge of Allegiance to the Christian flag and to the Savior

for whose kingdom it stands.

One nation, one

Savior, crucified, risen, and coming again.

Holy fucking shit.

Oh my God.

I can't remember the rest, I don't think.

I would just like to say, really quickly to the people watching, I am not making fun of religion right now at all.

Of course.

This is just like, this is weird.

It's a thing that we have to make kids do this.

Yeah, it is very much a weird thing to make kids do that.

I will make fun of the pledge, though.

That shit's hilarious.

That pledge is.

It's like they said, all right, let's take and copy the Pledge of Allegiance.

to the American flag and then just insert some random buzzwords to get people really excited about Jesus.

And then, like, it's not very creative.

And, like, here's the thing.

And I didn't think about this until I was, until I was older, because, you know, you get sheltered in like this weird bubble of normalcy, right?

But it wasn't until I was older and I realized that some of the kids that were in our class were like.

not religious whatsoever, but still had to do that pledge every day.

Like, that's weird.

That's so weird.

It's very weird.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I don't remember the way that it ends, but yeah, I had to do that every single day.

And my dad was like, put your hand on your forehead, make those kids think.

Yeah.

I was like, we've got enough going on, daddy.

We don't do that.

Critical thinking in

what grades did you go to this school?

Second

through eighth.

Oh, wow.

You were there for a while.

That's what I'm saying.

I finally went to public school for high school.

Whoa, okay.

I see.

I see.

Yeah.

Cause I, I was only at my school for for two years, fourth and fifth, and then I went to public school from sixth through senior year.

But yeah, that's wow, that's a long time.

The school was small.

Again, it was small enough that I was with the exact same kids for

years, you know?

And I don't think that there was anything

like for the most part, we all got along because like we kind of had to, right?

So my relationships with all those kids were actually really lovely.

I just, I

knew

that that I didn't know what kids my age were like, actually.

Sure, yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So, well, I mean, it was the same kind of thing for me.

Like that school that I went to was very small.

So, you know, you want, you want to expand your friend group.

You want to, you want to meet other people and

go to a much bigger pool of potential friends and people to meet.

But did you guys not have like

Were there weird social groups and like peer groups and cliques and stuff in your schools?

Or was was it like everyone's kind of weird for themselves?

Well, you're talking about in the private school or in general?

And in the private schools.

Well, I only went, since I only lived there for two years, there weren't really cliques because like our class was so small.

That's what I'm asking.

It sounds like these are very small schools.

So

was it the same atmosphere?

Like, could you, if everyone knew everyone?

Yeah.

Dodger probably has a better answer for this than I do.

Again, it was 100 kids total.

That's what I'm saying.

Kindergarten through high school.

Yeah.

So they're kind of, I guess, but they weren't really clicks.

It was just like, those two are best friends.

Those three are best friends.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very much.

They tend to hang out a lot.

They tend to hang out a lot.

But I mean, we all had to do stuff together, you know?

So, yeah, it's not like, you know, there weren't kids in my class where I was like, God, I hope that I don't have to work with that kid.

But, like, that's just natural.

You don't love everybody, right?

But we all, we all kind of had to get along.

And by the, by the time I left, we all knew each other so well that it was like,

yeah, I have a couple of like better friends for sure, but I feel like I'm friends with everybody.

Here's the question: here's the, here's the million-dollar question, Dodger.

Was there a guy a million dollars?

Was there a guy in your school who wore the Triforce fit?

Yeah.

Yes.

I knew it.

I knew it.

There's one in every school.

Every school has a Triforce Fit guy or girl.

All right, that was my question.

I had to know.

Do you think the, I guess this is more of a Dodger question.

Do you think this going to such a small school was of benefit to your childhood?

Because I know you wanted out, right?

But like, did it allow you to

age without sort of weird, crazy pressures?

Or were there their own pressures there?

I think the benefit was also kind of the detriment, which is that it was so small that I knew all the teachers.

I knew the principal.

I knew the vice principal.

I knew all of the kids, right?

So it had that aspect of kind of like a small community where everyone's sort of looking out for each other all the time.

Sure.

Everybody knows what's going on with everybody else.

Everybody's trying to help each other with things.

So I think being at the age that I was, it was really nice to have that for a while.

But I did run into plenty of issues with it.

Yeah.

Specifically with the wild oscillation between like having a teacher who clearly loved to teach, not that this doesn't happen in public school too, but like having a teacher who clearly loved to teach and wanted to be a better educator versus the lady that just kind of filled in for fourth grade because they didn't have anybody else and she's never taught a class in her life, right?

Like the fact that that was able to happen in the school system was bad.

That wasn't good, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So yeah, I think there were, there were positives and negatives for sure.

And once I got into public school,

definitely big positives and negatives.

Yeah, for sure.

But I'm still glad that I went.

Cool.

Yeah.

I was very, I'm just very curious.

That's not an upbringing that I had.

I had a

normal, like,

public school.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It was a

whatever.

It was a weird thing because it was a, in elementary school, there were two schools in our neighborhood, Harmon and Smith.

And you either went to Harmon or Smith.

Like that was depending on what side of the city you lived on.

Now, mind you, this isn't a big city.

This is a like basically the size of the Vatican when it comes to square mileage right outside of Dayton, Ohio.

But then for high school, the Smith kids and the Harmon kids joined together and went to high school so that seventh grade was wild because you were going in there with your like your cool kid like we're representing Harmon dude and you roll in and those Smith kids are like I don't know if I can trust these dudes I don't even know you bro who are you and then you'd have to like mingle and come together it was it was very weird it was a weird kind of like who are these people Oh, I bet that's a popular kid.

Oh, I hate him.

But it was kind of like half the school was exchange students.

So you had a fresh start.

You got to restart over a little bit.

It was good.

But then you had your friends from elementary school who'd be like, no, that guy's just a loser.

Like, oh man.

Yeah, well, you know, you try and reinvent yourself and you're like, no, you know what?

I'm leather jacket kid.

Now I'm wearing the leather jacket.

And then they'd be like, nah, he's, he's like doing a thing.

Like, don't, that's, he's not leather jacket kid.

You're like, shut up, man.

I will, I will.

The thing that united all the guys

very quickly, I don't know what was going on in the girl verse, but the guy verse

seventh grade power rangers we all ironically liked power rangers but secretly loved power rangers power rangers wait okay so what what was this original power rangers mighty morphin yeah it was mighty morphin power rangers okay okay hell yeah all right it was around the time the movie came out i think and so we were all

like that's when they got the that's when they got the cocker ranger mechas yeah yeah

so we were all uh like oh, yeah, no, like Power Rangers, right?

But secretly at home every day, everyone's like, dude, you see yesterday?

Oh, yeah, man, that was amazing.

The stupidest.

Hell yeah, man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's badass.

See, for me, I was unironically into Power Rangers, very much.

If that's not completely obvious from my whole, you know, persona.

My whole thing.

Yeah.

My whole thing.

Yeah.

I was very much into that.

But yeah.

And then I got out of it, which is funny because I feel like I went on this similar thing with anime where like I was super into Power Rangers.

And then I was like, ew, I was a kid and into Power Rangers, so I can't like that anymore, but I was secretly still into it.

And then now that I'm an adult, I'm like, wait a minute, I can just like that stuff.

It's like, I can just like what I like, and it doesn't have to be a dark secret.

But, um,

the uh, this, the same, yeah, the same thing happened with anime.

I was like, I got super into anime, I really liked it, and I was like, no, wait, I don't want to be associated with that.

And then I like actively, like, sort of forced myself not to like it.

And then I was like, wait a minute, I can just like it.

It's okay to like it.

It's fine.

All right.

This is a question I have.

So when I was in school, elementary school was, you know, weird scoops of green beans and square pizzas for lunch.

Yeah.

Or

a square pizza.

A square pizza would hit right now.

Square pizzas with the little tiny square pieces of pepperoni on it, right?

Yeah, yeah.

And then when I got to high school, they upgraded it by being like, for $1.50, you can get a slice of like Pizza Hut pizza.

And we were like, whoa,

right?

what was in in your schools especially elementary what were they serving for food

so for my original elementary school it was like i mean i think it's like the traditional elementary school fare that you would see i mean you know sandwiches chicken soup there was because there was like a hot yeah there was like a if you were getting the hot lunch right you got like an entree and then like a side and then like some fruit or something you know so the side would be like mashed potatoes or vegetables or you know green beans or broccoli.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

The weird like vegetable medley.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, and then the entree would be, you know, soup or a pizza or some kind of sandwich or a hammer.

The perfectly round chicken patty.

Yes, man.

Yes.

The chicken sandwiches with those ancient chicken patties.

I loved those so much.

I liked the fish, the fish fillets.

I did like the fish fillets.

Those were pretty good too.

But yeah, I mean, it's the standard elementary school fare that I'm sure it's

whatever the fucking Sodexo company is giving them for the cheapest possible price.

I mean, you know, it's whatever.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't remember what they served

in my school.

Did you guys bring food from home?

I mean,

yeah.

My mom packed my lunch a lot.

Yeah, but once I...

Yeah, once I was in high school, I got hot lunch sometimes.

And yeah, it was like, there's a main,

and then there's like a little salad bar.

And, you know, you had a salad bar?

Ooh, salad bar.

Yo, I'm so impressed.

We did not have,

we had a hallway.

Like, you would open a door and you go into the kitchen.

And it was like a hallway where you had to walk your ass through to the cafeteria.

And in that kitchen, they weren't cooking anything.

By the time I was in high school, they were like, yeah,

we got the pepperoni pizza from Pizza Hut, and then over here, a bunch of little Debbie cookies, and over there, it was like not even remotely healthy.

So, we would always leave campus and go out to lunch.

There was a time my senior year, I don't think we went like a whole month only eating chipotle because it was like the new thing.

And we'd be like, Dude, you're going Chipotle?

Like, yeah, dude, I'm going Chipotle.

And we would go.

That's when, if you showed up wrapped in tin foil, they just give you a free burrito.

Oh my god, amazing.

Okay, yeah, those are the days

before they were bought out.

the worst.

I never wanted to get in trouble.

So

I only did out of school lunch one time.

I snuck out with my friend and my hometown finally had its first fast food place.

We got a McDonald's.

And so we were like, McDonnie's.

Yeah.

So we were like, oh my gosh, should we sneak off out of school for lunchtime and get McDonald's?

And we felt so crazy.

My God, you just got to do something a little crazy, you know?

I know.

She just got to do something a little cyber psycho.

We leave so much that I forgot during like the last couple of weeks of senior year when they were taking photos for the yearbook.

Myself and this other girl, we were class clowns, right?

And so we were supposed to take a photo together, except I just forgot.

And so the photo is literally her by herself, but it has both our names.

And I was like, that's really good.

That's actually

real life funny.

Yeah.

That's very very good.

Yep.

Did either of you guys get voted any superlatives for your yearbook?

No.

What do you mean?

I mean, like, you know, voted most likely to something?

No.

No.

No.

No.

I did.

I got voted most likely to come back and work security.

What the shit?

That was, so there was, there was, so I, my, my senior, my senior and junior year, I went to a, like, it's like a performing arts high school.

Well, it was just an arts high school.

They had like visual art, media, um, music, theater, et cetera.

And the security team was called Safety Team.

And it was just the security guys, but a lot of them were previous alums that just like needed a job, right?

Okay.

And I was voted most likely to come back and work on safety team.

So that's like a weird way of saying most likely to be a townie, like most likely to not

go anywhere.

Essentially, basically.

And it's funny because they, you know, they don't tell you what you got voted for.

And so what would happen is somebody from the yearbook would come find you and say, hey, we need to take your picture for a superlative.

And we're like, what did we get voted?

And they're like, well, you'll find out when you, when the yearbook gets published.

Burly, you should know.

So you can play into it.

Well, yeah, because like me and this other girl were like, okay, what do we do?

And they're like, okay, we're going to take your picture.

And I was like, yeah, hey.

And so then in the

yearbook, it was like, voted most likely to come back and join safety team.

And I was like, I mean, I get it.

I get it.

but come on.

I've got a little more oomph in me than that.

Not that there's anything wrong with working on the safety team.

Most inspirational on my dance team.

Oh,

which is very sweet.

You're just most inspirational in general.

Oh, shut up.

Oh, stop it.

Do you guys want to talk about video games at all?

Or are we just

going to do it?

We can do that.

Because I'm curious about what you guys are playing.

I want to know.

Well, what are you playing?

I'm going to guess that Jesse and I have just played a lot of blueprints mostly, and maybe some Expedition 33.

I would guess that Jesse's played some Expedition 33.

How is that?

Is it good?

Yeah, Expedition 33?

Awesome.

Yes.

It's so cool.

Sam said it's fantastic.

He played it for the first time yesterday.

Yeah, it's very, very good.

Expect, like, the intro is designed to make you be like, yo, oh, oh, oh, oh, we gotta, we gotta do something about this problem.

Because basically,

um,

the lore of the world is uh

67 years ago,

this thing, the painters, showed up,

disrupted the entire world in a way that

Paris,

what's left of Paris, was pointed out into the middle of the water water in a place we call Lumière now.

And back on the continent, everything's a complete mess.

And this Paintress goes on this giant monolith and every year ticks down a number.

And anyone over that age,

like, gets Thanos dusted.

Oh, shit.

And so

the beginning of this game starts off with...

Everyone 34 over, and actually there's no one really over that age anymore because everyone's dusted.

So anyone who is 34, gone.

And now it says 33.

And Expedition 33 is the group that's going to go and try to, like all the expeditions before them, try to find out what's going on in the continent and then kill the Painters and save the world.

And so,

yeah, the game starts out with you watching literally the like

the gummage.

And I'll leave it at that.

It's called the gammage.

And it goes down.

And then you're like, all right, let's go, let's go over there.

And you do.

And

some stuff happens.

And then you find yourself on the land and you pick up party members.

And it's like, combat-wise, it's sort of a mix of persona and I guess Mario

RPG in that

when you attack, you can press buttons to amplify the attacks.

When you are attacked, you can parry and dodge.

And based on different things you can equip to your character, by dodging, you can get get more AP attack points.

Or by,

you know, parrying, you can do an automatic attack and hit them again.

Or you can make it so that your normal attacks can heal you, but there's all sorts of different ways to sort of make your characters work.

And there's plenty of different weapons and

ridiculous outfits you can get.

There is a thing in the game, and I'm not sure why.

I don't know the answer to this, but there are mimes.

And I guess because France, but they're mimes, but they're like puppets.

They look like little puppets with giant heads, but they're all mimes.

And they're very hard to defeat.

But if you defeat them, you get a certain item, like a ridiculous outfit from them, be it hair outfits or whatever.

And so some of the ones I've beaten give your characters sort of like very French, like berets and sunglasses, and you have a baguette for a backpack.

It's ridiculous.

Very funny stuff.

Does not fit at at all with the emotional

drama happening in the game.

But

it's an interesting concept of,

I don't know, maybe eight hours in.

I couldn't tell you what the hell is happening in this game.

Like, I know what we need to do.

I know the objective, but the further we get into the continent, the more and more bizarre things are.

So

the continent itself is like a mishmash of beautiful flora and fauna, but also, you know, warped version, like there's a bench for some reason sitting there, or street light that's kind of like curved and weird.

But then also, giant monolithic statues that look corrupted and eldritchy,

strange

like shapes and floating islands and stuff.

Absolutely crazy things going on there.

Big fan of this game.

It is a legitimate, really well done RPG.

The cast is stacked just so the main character looks

like.

Oh my God, my brain just died.

What is that guy's name?

He was Batman, and he's also in

Tenant,

and he's a vampire.

The main character looks like Robert Pattinson, but is voiced by Charlie Cox.

So it's Daredevil's voice in Robert Pattinson, which is crazy.

And then God's favorite cleric is in this.

Shadowheart is playing one of the main characters.

Oh, nice.

Isn't it your sweet baby Ben in this game?

Ben is in this.

I have not run into Ben yet, and I have a feeling I know what's going to be happening.

I have a feeling I know what's going to happen, which I'm very excited about because

they keep dropping what I believe is his character's name.

Like, random dudes will be like, oh, yeah, no, that's what he was talking about.

And I'm like, I've never met, who is that guy?

What do you mean?

There's a lot going on.

And then I have stumbled across Andy Serkis' character a few times now.

that's Andy Circus is in it yeah there's a lot of interesting stuff going on in this game I don't know how long it is to be honest it could be a 40 hour RPG it may not be there's definitely a lot going on in this game but um yeah like I said I'm only eight hours in and so far the craziest thing I've done is I've met paintbrush people I'll leave it at that okay nice

Yeah

sounds awesome.

It's very very fun, but also

there's not a lot they're playing for comedy, if that makes any sense.

It is like

from jump, pretty depressing and context of what's happening in the world.

It's interesting.

Yep.

Oh, Deuce,

did you blueprint?

I blueprinted a lot.

I got

room 46?

I did room 46.

Okay.

Did you have you room 46?

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Do I need to, do I need to play rooms one through 45 before I understand what room 46 is?

Actually, yes.

Okay, fair.

Yeah.

Do you know anything about Blueprints?

I know Northern Lion played a lot of it.

That's about it.

It's very good.

It is a surprisingly...

I know that we said this already last week, but

it is a

shockingly deep game.

So I hear.

The fact that so many people have showed up in my chat and been like, I've played like 50 hours of this game and you have rooms I've never seen before.

Or like,

you know, just stuff like that.

Like you can truly sort of do certain aspects at your own pace.

You can wind up finding things in completely different ways to how other people did.

But yeah, I'm trying to remember what day,

like in-game day I was on when I did room 46, but I think

it was in the 40s.

Whoa!

I think I, I know, I think I almost

got it like 19, I think.

I'm in my 20s right now, day-wise.

Yeah, I really,

I did not focus on trying to get that room open for

a really long time.

I got very Tetris-brained about it.

And nearly every time I play, I compulsively want to fill up every single square.

Gotcha.

Okay.

Which has created a situation where sometimes I have really long runs, but I still just don't wind up getting up there, you know?

Like, I'll find a bunch of new lore or I'll find a puzzle that I, that I hadn't really thought about before, or, you know.

Because somebody who hasn't played it,

do you feel that the roguelike element complements the puzzle element or do you feel that it gets in the way?

Would you have preferred it to be just a puzzle game or just a roguelike game?

Or do you think that the two different aspects play well with each other?

So puzzle wise, the puzzles are, it's like layered puzzles.

So placing rooms is a puzzle because you don't want to block yourself off, but also within those rooms are puzzles.

And then sometimes those rooms connect in ways that you're like, oh, if I have this room in this room, then this other room will be a thing.

And so by having all of that work together, I know when I first started playing this, I was like

kind of worried that it would be rogue-like-y in a way that wasn't going to have any cumulative benefit.

Like, I wouldn't get anything, there wouldn't be any meta progression, just be constantly roguing my way through this.

And by the end, I would just be like, No, this sucks.

I keep getting screwed by RNG.

And that does happen sometimes, but when you refocus on there's meta metaprogression and each run can get you something, then it changes the way you see the madness.

So, for example, there is an out, there's like a property too.

And on that property, you can unlock things that

through the house or outside can change the way you play.

And to the point where I got a,

like there's one room, it's a lab.

And the lab lets you run experiments.

And the experiments are like a bunch of different options.

You can bind them together.

And one of the ones I got was: anytime you dig up anything on the property that isn't an item, it'll give you one permanent starting gold.

So now whenever I start, I have so much money to spend and it changes the way I'm playing now.

And so.

Because the rooms change, I can get the gift shop or I can get the,

you know, the book shop or I can get, you know, the jewelry.

Like, there's a bunch of different rooms that let you spend money in them.

And some runs, you don't need them and some runs you do but having access to them having that sort of rng nature kind of helps because then you know you you okay well i want to do this and i want to do this

but i didn't even know that room existed and now i see that and then the further you get the more you're like okay we can actually force rooms now we can make things appear We can do things.

So the longer you play, the less and less the RNG has an impact on it.

But at the same time, there's still things.

So, for example, one of the outside things you can get is like a classroom, like an old dilapidated classroom, which will then allow things to happen

inside the

manor.

And that adds a whole other, you've just put eight more cards, cards, rooms in your deck, if you will.

And now that changes the way you can progress.

And you could completely ignore that if you want.

Or you could say, I'm going to try and get every single room and see what that does for me.

Like every single one of those, those, those special rooms.

It's that kind of game.

The game just gives you, the longer that you play, it gives you so many different things that you could be pursuing.

Or like there might be a puzzle that you just keep thinking about for like four runs and you're like, all right.

You know what?

I'm going to just do whatever I can to get this room and this room so that I can just sit here and figure this puzzle out.

Yeah, there's, there's there's been like kind of a meme, but it's kind of true that once you complete the initial objective of the game and get the credits, everyone's like, you did the tutorial.

Good job.

Because there's so much more in the game to pursue if you want.

I guess Animal Well was like that to a lesser extent, right?

Where you finish the game and it didn't take that long and it was a fun experience, but like if you wanted to just keep playing, you would find more depth.

Blueprints, yeah, has a ton of depth to it for sure.

But I do think, I do think the

people who are showing up, it's got, it's got kind of an issue like Cult of the Lamb had, had this kind of an issue.

And I think anybody who says, I like this genre of game and this genre of game, and I'm going to try to make them kiss,

you're going to frustrate

people.

And there's nothing that you can really do about that.

Because, and I see what you mean, because sometimes people will see that and they'll say, I want game A, and then they'll see that this game has game A in it, but it's also got game B.

But it's also

really, they want game A.

And so they play game A and they're having a great time with game A, but then game B shows up.

Yeah.

And they're like, well, I didn't want that.

I wanted game A.

And it's like, well, it's both,

you know?

That's a really good example, Dukes.

The idea of like Call to the Lamb.

For those who've never played, but I assume almost everyone has.

The idea of,

I want to go and I want to rogue like my way through some stuff and fight guys and do cool stuff.

Yeah, I want to do my little Hades bit.

Yeah, but then you have to manage a community, a community that literally poops everywhere and can't clean up their own poop.

They're trying to die.

Yeah, they will actively try to kill themselves.

You're like, what are you doing?

I was gone for five minutes.

That kind of, and it can be annoying.

There's the same thing here.

So I'm gonna try and be as vague as possible but there's a puzzle in blueprints that you discover that requires you to play a game of chess basically

and this chess puzzle the way it works is it involves things in the in the manner

and when you discover oh okay i know what i need to do to do this thing now

From that point on, once you know that, it's all about pulling the right rooms.

And if you don't pull them on that run, well, you're not doing the chess thing.

And I have

never,

not once, gotten all the things I need in order to do that chess puzzle.

I know it exists.

I know where it's at.

I know what I need to do.

I have everything.

I just have not pulled the right rooms.

And I know what those rooms are.

And I know what I need.

And the game is just like, no, sorry.

Yeah.

And so it's just another thing to add to the backlog of stuff that I have to finish in the game.

And there's other things where it's like, okay, I need,

like, there's this great thing where I finally got an item that I can use to

do certain things in certain rooms, right?

Except now that I have that item,

I have not drawn the room I need once.

Yeah.

And so I'm like, oh my God.

And it's just you keep doing it.

Thankfully, there's so many other things that it's like, so another great example is I use that item that I needed for that room on a totally different room thinking I found a secret passage.

No, it was another puzzle.

I was like, are you kidding me?

So that's kind of the game is you just keep digging deeper and peeling back the layers like a, like an ogre, and there's something underneath each peel.

So to that effect.

Comparing it to a game like, say, oh, I don't know, Mist, right?

Where Mist, or Riven is probably a better example because Riven's a little more in-depth than Mist.

Riven is a game where when you discover a puzzle and then you discover the solution somewhere and you're like, I don't have the solution for this right now.

And then you continue the game and you find the solution for that puzzle.

You can just go back and do that puzzle.

You can just literally walk back and do it.

Walk back and do it.

But this, do you feel that the reason they included the roguelike aspect of it is to maybe extend

the enjoyment you get out of the game to lengthen it because you're like, well, I have a puzzle here, but I can't do it yet because I didn't get the right rooms this time.

I I got to come back and do it again.

No.

No.

People are spending like a hundred hours on this guy.

I don't think it needed padding.

I think there's a lot in it.

But is the padding or is the hours there because they keep doing the runs and they have to keep getting the right rooms?

Well, there's also, there's also

like a deep lore to this.

Okay, okay, fair enough.

So there's like a lot of things to find that expand on the story of who your character is, what's going on in the world, literally like world lore.

There is some weird stuff happening that I don't know what, if it's like magical, there's like a whole bunch of stuff, but you are skimming the surface.

And unless you decide you want to dig, you, you might not ever encounter that stuff.

But it's there.

There's a lot of stuff happening in this game.

There's also things like puzzles that I didn't even know were a puzzle.

Like there's one room I kept going in it and everyone's like, oh, has he solved this room yet?

I'm like, what do you mean?

It's just a room.

What do you mean?

Solved it.

And then much later I realized, oh, oh, I see.

It's that kind of stuff.

Yeah.

It's deep.

Yeah.

What I was going to say to the point of like it being sort of a mesh of genres

is I had a run on stream where I had banked up a lot of, again, trying to be vague.

I had banked up a lot of things so that my next run

would, I would start off on the best foot possible, right?

Okay, I would have everything that I need to basically build what I want, go where I want, and not even worry.

And I just, luck of the draw, got completely fucked and only did like four rooms and then I couldn't go anywhere.

And somebody in chat was like, see, this sort of shit makes me not want to play this game because I think I would find that too frustrating.

And I was like, I really think if you play

a lot of games that are in the same vein of like Binding of Isaac, this doesn't bother you as much.

Right.

It really is about like what, what sort of games you enjoy and what you're used to as well.

Because

to me, this is the equivalent of like having an incredible starting item in Binding of Isaac and then immediately dying.

That made a lot of binding of Isaac.

Anyway.

Yeah, I couldn't imagine.

Can't think of anybody.

Yeah.

So

yeah,

it can be very frustrating for sure, but it's also very similar to tons of other really well-received games.

It's just, yeah,

if you are going in like really wanting a puzzle game.

Yeah.

And kind of like you were saying, and you realize you can't just,

yeah, you want game A and you can't just go back to this room and do that puzzle unless you pull the right room.

If you hate that, this will be frustrating.

Yeah.

And, like, on the flip side, what Dodger's saying about bad pools, the time I got to room 46, I literally in chat was just like, guys, if I wasn't on stream right now, I would have said, I'm done and restarted the day.

Because I was so frustrated, I was getting the worst pools ever.

And then somehow

managed to get to the end with two steps left.

Like, it was, it was a perfect run.

Almost the entire house was filled.

Everything, I achieved all these things when earlier I was like, this sucks.

I'm doing so bad.

This is so stupid.

And yet, somehow pulled out the old keyster and did it.

So, you know, it can happen.

And it's just all about that RNG sometimes.

And that's exciting.

It's that exciting moment where it all falls into place.

And that's like the, that's the exciting roguelike part of it, I guess, is where it's like, oh, shit, I got exactly what I needed, exactly when I want it.

So that's pretty cool.

Yeah.

It's fun.

It's cool.

Yeah.

It is.

I just was playing that game, but it looks cool.

What have you been playing, Octo?

I have been playing Rim World.

Rim World was a lot of fun.

I totally bounced off that game the first time I tried it back in 2019.

I just completely like gave it a shot and

like I was like, no, not for me.

Which is funny because I love Dwarf Fortress and it's very similar in a lot of respects, but i totally just like

ricocheted off that game do you remember what it was that you didn't like there was a lot of things it was managing temperatures was annoying to me because you don't you kind of have to do that in df but not really

and not being able to control as many

because in in dwarf fortress your dwarves are

much more cogs in a machine, right?

Like you can, you can get like 200 of them in your fort.

They get pretty big.

And so, um,

it's like

you don't really have to focus on a lot of individual dwarves unless there's one that's like really good at something and you want him to do a lot of stuff.

Um, you don't really think about it.

They're, they're just sort of tools for you to use in rim world.

Your guys are like much more, you have way less, right?

You start with three in the standard start, and they have like personalities and individual quirks about them.

And sometimes they're missing a limb or something, you know, like, so it's very random rather than just sort of like, you get a fresh body in who has some skills you can use.

Like they all, it's very much focused on the interpersonal relationships and the drama of their pawns in Rim World, which isn't something I was really aware of.

So I approached, so I got invited to do a multiplayer collab because there's a multiplayer mod for Rim World where everybody can control different stuff.

And it was so insane.

And I went into it not really expecting to make a successful colony, just, you know, because I knew we wouldn't really last.

But oh my God, it was so funny and so much fun and I really liked that we were playing with two people that knew a lot because it was myself the the collab was myself Maka Garrick and Giga

yeah and so myself and Giga didn't know it much at all and Maka and Garrick knew a lot so like immediately when we got in Maka was like okay I'm gonna set up our storehouse I'm gonna set up our kitchen I'm gonna set up our cooler I'm gonna do this I'm gonna do this I'm gonna make power I'm gonna build the engine and that and then like I just got to have my guy who was really strong like go around around and punch things and that was cool So like I sort of got to see how the initial setup of a colony went by somebody who'd played hundreds of hours of rim world

and then I got to sort of just like do my specific task that I wanted to do

That's nice And yes, and so it was so funny because uh before we had the collab Mika was like what kind of character do you want to have and I said I want to be ripped and I want to have a fat hog and she was like okay so she designed a character for me and she gave me a high libido and made me very attractive and ripped but i had genetic brain damage and um

so all i could do was like build in mine and immediately the first thing that happened when we spawned in was i immediately uh had sex with both giga's pawn and make a's pawn and i got make a pregnant immediately and so high libido indeed i know and so oh yes and i was bisexual

And so Make, like, there was this whole thing where like

Maka had the baby.

And then we were like, what are we going to do?

We need to speed up its growth.

So

they started giving the baby cocaine and beer

and

that.

And there was

helps it grow.

Well, we don't know, but

it was worth a shot.

But it was very fun just sort of like messing around around and seeing what you can do in it.

And

afterwards, I was just like, I want to give my own a shot, right?

I want to, I want to give my own colony a shot.

So I did, and I've been having a lot of fun with it.

It's, it's really, really fun.

Um,

yeah.

Uh, oh, we did get the baby addicted to go juice.

That was funny.

Um, oh, no.

What is

you know what?

Why would I ask questions?

Yeah, why would I sound crazy?

That sounds like a very normal multiplayer experience.

Why ask questions?

Yeah.

It was very fun.

I had a great time with it, and we actually want to do another one, but it was a great time.

So I've been trying, still learning a bit how to play Room World.

And it is,

I'm enjoying the hell out of it.

I'm really, really liking it a lot.

I just have to look at it differently from Dwarf Fortress because I went in thinking it was that when it's not.

It's similar in that it's

like a colony management or like a settlement management game, but there's so many things that are different, like the way that ideologies interact and the way that um you know personalities can clash and things like that and and traders and and producing goods is slightly different and so once i adapted i've been having a great time it's awesome it's and there's so many mods and you know it's it's you can really dive into yes

the mod community for that game is crazy it's utterly insane um and like a bunch of people have been streaming it too that i noticed like i was watching Benji do a stream where he was had one survivor and he just had to clone himself over and over again.

And that was going to be his whole colony.

Amazing.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah.

Yeah, I know Limes plays that game a lot.

Yeah, Limes likes it.

And

yeah, and like I said, like Garrick has played a ton of it.

And I know a lot of people who are super, super into it.

But yeah, it's cool.

Yeah, yeah.

But I get so overwhelmed by games like that where it's like, keep track of all this shit.

I'm like, I won't.

Yeah.

A lot of them will die.

I mean, you can just pause it, right?

And figure and go like, you know, moment by moment and be like, okay, you need to do this.

You need to do this.

I will say the AI isn't the best.

And sometimes you'll prioritize something and be like, listen to me, fucker.

You need to do this right now.

And he's like, but I'm carving a statue.

And it's like, okay, well, I don't need you.

Okay.

Listen, this is, I feel like this is what it must be like to have a child.

It's like, okay, I know you're carving a statue right now, but that's not what we need you to do.

I need you to go do this.

And they're like, but let me finish.

And I'm like, I am telling you to do this now because this is what needs to get done.

I'm like, this is, this is probably what it's like to have a child.

But anyway, um,

yes, it is, uh, it's a lot of fun.

That game is super fun.

I also

bought a really weird slop game called Medieval Blacksmith, which is like a simulator game where you open a blacksmith shop in a medieval town and you have to like forge weapons and then sell them to adventurers.

It's very, but the minutiae comes from actually forging and designing the weapon.

So it's not like you make sword.

It's like, how long is the sword?

How long is the handle?

What type of hilt does it have?

Oh, interesting thing.

What's the curve of the blade?

You can manually change.

the curve of the blade and that changes the cutting efficiency of it.

And what kind of adventurers want a better cutting weapon versus a stabbing weapon versus a

sword or wand or a dagger or something like that.

So it's kind of cool and it's pretty fun, but you know, it's very much like a simulator game.

So it's a little janky, but it's very fun.

Yeah, so that's the other one I've been playing.

Nice.

Two things.

First off, one,

if you're saying to yourself, man, games like Rim World or whatever, that stresses me out.

Let me direct you shamelessly to the video that tell me about up on youtube.com slash Jessica Cox right now, where I sit down and talk with City planner plays about city building games and how to actually play them dude is a legitimate real city planner and tells me about how to make city planning uh a real thing in video games and he taught me a thing i did not think of hey your city has a character

and i was like huh and he's like

Who were the first people that moved there?

Why'd they move there?

For what purpose?

What was going on there?

You got to think about that stuff when you make your city based on the land.

If you were going to start your city right away and it has like a river, well, what would you do with that river?

You have to rethink it and then you have to keep adjusting and changing over time.

I was like,

okay, smart man.

So

absolutely.

You should go watch that if you want to like understand a little better how to do these types of games.

Secondly,

more Dodger coded.

So for those of you who are

into sort of,

you know, MOBA stuff, let's say you play a little too much league for reasons that, you know, or whatever, you're doing things.

Right.

I did do a brand deal, but I love this game, so I'm going to shout it out anyway.

Sorako is a game that if you played, early access is next Friday, but if you play, if you played any of the old Warcraft battlenet

ship MOBA, where you were a boat, this is that game.

How do you spell this?

S-I-R-O-C-C-O.

Sorako, yeah.

S-I-R-O-C-C-O.

C C O and so essentially, this is a MOBA, but with boats.

It's a boba, a

mobile online boat,

whatever it is, it's great.

You have, I don't know, I think like 16 boats to choose from.

And each boat is just like what you imagine a hero to be.

Different abilities, different things.

But also, you have captains.

And the captains allow you to

change the way that you play with upgrades.

So each time you level up, you get additional things you can do to your ship.

Then, not only can you change things about your ship, you can also change things about weapons.

So you have your, you know, your QWE, which are your special MOBA kind of, you know, your buttons, but then you can upgrade and you have kind of a vampire survivors.

You have attacks that just attack

by themselves.

Okay.

So you don't have to constantly be planning what to do with your, you know, know, your QWE.

Those are bonuses, but you have other things.

So a great example is you can make one build where you get this boat that is like right in your face.

It's all like, you know, it can take hits.

And then you can determine whether you want to, based on how you play, have long range stuff on it.

So as you're approaching them, you're still firing with your vampire survivors attack, right?

Or you could do mid-range, so it's a little bit stronger, but as you get closer, you're doing that.

or you can do all short range so when you get up right next to them you're unloading your short range attacks but also you have your one that shoots all your cannons at once which is i think one of your qwe things you have one that shoots a thing up in the air and when it lands it does damage based on the percentage of your health right there's all these different things you can do for that one ship There's one ship where it's, you know, kind of like a party barge, and all you do is heal and shoot fireworks.

And you can do that.

But you can also, for example, because I knew it was a healing ship, I was going to stay in the back.

So I got all long range attacks.

So I'm shooting long range things at enemies that are trying to get close to me, but I'm like always running from them, still hitting them.

But if I need to, I can go to where people are and immediately heal them.

And then you have the captains, and the captains give you different abilities.

So for example, one captain would give you like...

more

HP, but you move slower, that kind of thing.

And then as you level up, not only are you leveling, putting points into your damage or, you know, your ship that you have or different weapons and unlocking different weapons, you also get buffs from your captain and those can change the way you play as well.

There's like, it's multi-layered.

I had so much fun playing this game.

Absolutely loved it.

I was playing with like, you know, Sohinki and Sinvicta, and we were having a good time, played with a bunch of other, we did like a whole thing.

It was great.

I, I absolutely love when it takes something that I like, you know, the idea of

like a vampire survivor and throws that in a thing that I'm like,

MOBAs, they drive me crazy all the time.

You know what?

This is interesting.

It all comes back to that game A, game B.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's the game A, game B marriage, and sometimes it works, you know?

And sometimes even if you're like, I want game A, but it's got game B, it's like, oh, maybe the aspects of game A make game B more bearable.

You know, and it is.

And it does for me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It means that I don't have to focus on constantly making sure like all my cool abilities are hitting and I'm doing all this stuff.

And because you can change out those weapons, you feel a little bit better than, you know, in league, your guys just going, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Until you cast an ability, it looks like you're doing things and things are happening and you can upgrade that.

So it isn't like your normal basic, I'm hitting you with the laser beam attack.

It's like, yo, I fire these rockets, but I also shoot flack at you.

Or I like put down goop on the ground when I, like, there's all sorts of things to do.

I love that kind of stuff.

It makes me feel like there's options in a way that you don't really have in a lot of games.

So, I was a big fan of that.

That was neat.

Do you guys remember Kentai Collection?

Sorry.

Of course.

The Kenko, the shipgirl game/slash anime.

The second, Jesse, that you were like, the ships, they're kind of like characters.

I immediately started imagining them like the ship girls from hot women.

Like hot ladies with like weird ship parts attached to their bodies.

Yeah,

I keep forgetting that was a thing.

They did it with planes.

They did it with all sorts of...

You know what?

If anything can be made into an anime girl, it probably has been done before.

That's true.

Pixelated horses.

Speaking of a new horse race test did just drop 45 minutes ago.

Yes, man.

Yeah.

Don't tell me who won.

No spoilers.

No spoilers.

No spoilers.

Yeah.

Okay.

Just so you know, know, it did drop.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But anyway, no, that's, that's cool.

That looks, that sounds awesome.

I, I love when they, they mash up games like that.

Yeah, it's cool.

It's sick.

There's a demo out.

You can play the demo.

I don't think uh

I think you would have to play with other people in the demo, but you can also just play against bots, but there are no actual bot ships.

It's just the lanes coming at you.

But you can learn and that's fun.

So

but May 2nd, I believe, is when it actually drops.

Nice.

Yep.

Nice.

That's That's awesome.

Cool.

Are you guys like doing anything else that's

exciting or fun?

What else is going on?

I'm literally leaving the country right after this.

Really?

Like, after this?

A minute with them.

I'm getting in a campaign.

Hopping on a plane.

Hopping on a plane.

Nice.

Well, have a safe trip.

Where are you going?

I'm going to a land of fins

and potential video games.

That's all I'll say.

Okay.

Okay.

That's cool.

Nice.

Are you gonna are you gonna go in a sauna?

I don't know.

Probably not.

I'm literally there for like a few days and then I'm back.

Oh, okay.

It's not that crazy.

Right, right, of course.

Nice.

Well, that's awesome.

That's sick.

How about you, dudes?

You were just here.

I was just there, and I was going to go to the land of Finns, but

we couldn't sort baby stuff.

We couldn't couldn't sort child things so that's okay i i i jet set it a little bit i it's nice to be home

no uh after this i'm gonna read the nine souls prequel manga i'm so excited

okay okay

wait wasn't that a nine souls was that a metroidvania thing yes

that i

loved

and they put out a on the 23rd i think they put out a thing being like hey we made a prequel manga so here it is here's the link and i was like like, shut up.

But I haven't read it yet.

So that's awesome.

Yeah.

So that's what I intend to do.

Oh, it's also my kid's birthday this weekend.

Oh my gosh.

That's right.

That's yes.

I remember being screwed out of that money.

We were actually just talking about that.

We were just talking about that.

Yeah.

We were talking about that when she was here.

I have to give her that bunny plushie that she liked in my car.

I saved it.

I took it.

I'm going to come visit.

I do.

I do.

I saved it just for her.

But yeah, that's so sweet.

How old is she gonna be now?

Seven?

Seven.

Oh, my God.

Seven years old.

Yeah.

Oh, man.

I know.

What a time we live in.

It's wild.

Yeah.

They're old enough now that like the parents are texting me, like, can I just drop my kid off?

And I was like, I guess they're old enough now that that's like it can just be drop kids off and run away parties.

Yeah.

Sure, I guess.

i think the best part about seeing clark was that i could just immediately make her laugh by saying anything from the minecraft movie that was that was that felt like some sort of weird superpower where i could just be like enjoy and she'd be like

like this is so easy man i wish my chat was that easy to make

yeah

you know what's funny though is is we completely i think i told you this at the time but we completely missed out on the the chicken jackie thing.

Chicken Jackie.

What do you mean you missed out on the thing?

Like, they said it, and we went, that sure was a line that was said by Jack Black.

Oh, you mean like nobody freaked out in your movie theater?

We saw it early enough, I guess, that it wasn't a meme yet.

So he was like, chicken jackie, and no one made a peep.

And we certainly didn't because it's not that exciting of a line.

I'm so sorry.

I wanted to go see it with my friend, but I got sick.

And I was like, I missed that golden window where I know if i went to the theater and he said it people would like go ballistic yeah and i the windows close they have they have big no no no it's over it is over yes yes yes you cannot you cannot do it you will

i was so confused when people were like oh my gosh chicken jackie i was like chicken jackie that was a line i'm so

i'm so curious about this movie now in the production of it because i've learned some things One

originally, Jack Black's character is supposed to be Matt Berry.

So already I have that in my head.

Like, hold up.

Yes.

So I have that.

And then I wonder, did they ever change the script?

Or was there original line, like, you know, it was Matt Berry, but chicken Jockey.

Chicken Jock A.

Chicken.

Sort of a chicken Jockey.

Jockey.

Yeah.

Like, is there, is there a whole, what would that have been?

I have to know.

First, with mind.

Right.

With croft.

I have to imagine all those lines.

If they were originally for Matt Barry,

then

or did Jack Black come in and completely change the script?

I mean, they definitely changed some of it because anytime Jack Black is in a thing, they're like, well, we got to make him sing.

Yeah.

But Matt Berry.

That's true.

Wait, I'm sorry.

That's Stolen Valor.

I haven't actually seen the movie.

I can't sing any of the songs from Minecraft.

Stolen

Yeah, because I haven't seen it.

I

what was it?

I

think that this movie...

I hope they play this movie another time,

like later, like years later down the line, and then everyone can go back and like be like, remember when we were all freaking out about the Minecraft movie?

It will be this generation's Rocky horror picture show.

The blocky horror picture show, if you will.

I hate that.

My favorite takeaway is that Hollywood said this movie is a massive, huge success because of the amazing scripting and the passion that went into it.

Wrong idea.

They're absolutely making a second one, and I don't think they understand why this was successful.

And that's so funny to me because it's the exact same vibe as when they were like, guys, should we re-release Morbius?

We should.

Morbius.

I was thinking about that.

We should be the best.

Yeah.

I don't think they understand.

And I love that.

It's one of the funniest things about this entire situation where it's popular, but I don't think you understand the reason it's popular.

And that's very funny.

But the double.

So the thing about Morbius was that had a weird reverse effect, right?

Where like everyone was talking about it.

So they're like, well, this movie didn't do well.

Maybe if we release it again, since everyone's talking about it, they'll go see it.

And they, yeah, and it completely just stopped it.

But now the thing is, the Minecraft movie made like a billion dollars.

So it's like they got the wrong idea and it made a bunch of money.

So it's like, no, no, no, no, no, you don't get it.

And now they're just going to write another script that's just Jack Black looking at the camera, saying things from Minecraft for like 90 minutes.

Dude, they absolutely said, we are rushing out the next movie.

That is so funny.

Minecraft 2.

All 2025, mark my words.

It's coming out this year.

It's so funny to be like, we got to get this out, dude.

the people it's gonna be love it

it's gonna be jack black dressed as steve in an empty room looking at the camera just saying stuff like iron bucket

gold bar you know like just that for literally listing the entire object index of minecraft for 90 minutes That's an SNL sketch.

That's an SNL sketch.

And you know what?

It's going to make $2 billion.

So, like, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Hold on, hold on, wait.

I'm, I'm getting ahead of myself.

That would actually be awesome.

If they did that and they released that in theaters, I would go see that.

I would like go in a suit and tie to see that movie.

Now, here's the question, though.

Should they release a trailer as though that's not what the movie?

Oh, my God.

Yes, you know, trailer.

Yeah.

Yes, they made it to be hyper-serious, like, in a word.

Oh, my God.

Okay, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

It should be a shot for shot, but with but with the actors that were in the Minecraft movie, shot for shot remake of the second Joker films trailer.

They should just remake shot for shot the Joker film, the second movie, but in Minecraft.

In Minecraft.

At least it's a feature film.

Yes, man.

But it's just Jack Black doing a let's play.

Oh my god.

Oh my God.

Jablensky games.

Yeah, dude.

That's crazy, dude.

I want that.

Yeah.

I'm sad now.

Oh, my God.

And then it can be like Lady Gaga.

And then she shows up and does like a dance.

And everyone's like, throwing popcorn.

That'd be amazing.

This is this is a lot.

I'm, we're, we're, these are, we stop talking because we're giving them free ideas and we got to get royalty checks for all this.

That'd be amazing.

Oh, my god, like the

problem is that I think they're gonna lean too far into like, well, they loved it when he said chicken jockey, so this time let's make Jason Momoa fight two chicken jockeys and he's gonna go chicken jockeys,

and then there's gonna be two of them, and you know, that's gonna be in the sequel, and they're gonna expect everyone to freak out.

And they're like, No, we need something new.

Oh, my God!

It'll be Wayne's World, right?

They'll be like,

What made everybody love the movie?

We just have them do that over and over again.

The trailer is literally going to be like Minecraft 2, two times the this, two times, two times the chicken jockey.

And he's like, chicken jockeys, the chijocracy, two of them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know it is.

I'm telling you, fall 2025, it's gonna happen.

It's gonna happen.

There's no escaping it.

They're filming it right now.

They paid Jack Black $70 million to come back and just do Minecraft 2.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

Nah, make it happen.

I want to see it.

I'll see it.

Fuck it.

The last five movies I've seen in theaters are so embarrassing.

I need to go see like a real movie.

Rattle them off.

Rattle them off.

Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Morbius, Sonic 3, Borderlands.

Yeah!

You really have seen some truly awful movies in the

Sonic movies?

The Sonic movies are fun.

Sonic movies are fun.

Sonic movies are fun.

The Sonic movies

are fun.

The Sonic movies are fun.

I saw, I, okay, so I saw Borderlands once in the theaters, and then when I was at TwitchCon, I made everyone watch it because it's so bad.

But

that's different.

That's different.

Everyone needs an octo in their life to do that.

Yeah, guys, we should watch this movie, please.

Because it's so terrible.

So the funny thing was when I was going to see Sonic 3, I was going with my friend.

Dude, do you know Gravity?

Gravity Dusty?

She's an artist.

Yeah, Gravity.

We went to go see it.

And the whole time, I was like, wouldn't Wouldn't it be funny if we like listened to Sonic music on the way there?

And I was listening to it, and we listened to Open Your Heart, and I was like singing, and I was like, But I'm not a Sonic fan, by the way.

I'm like, not because the thing is, I'm like not a big Sonic fan, but then we like listen to All Hail Shadow, and then we listen to City Escape, and I knew all the words, and then like I knew all the references, and I'm like, But I'm not a Sonic fan.

I'm not, I'm like, not a big Sonic fan.

Here's the here's the problem, Octo, is you are cursed with a beautiful brain that makes it seem like anything you have been moderately interested in is something you were obsessed with for a year of your life.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, so like you store so much in here and you're able to just open the door

at any moment.

It's not important or good information.

It doesn't matter.

It's not good.

None of it's important.

I just happen to remember it.

It's like,

I went home recently and saw some friends from like middle and high school.

And I mean, I hadn't seen these people in 20 years.

And I was talking to one of them and he was like, did you ever come over to my house?

I was like, yeah, we played, I came over to your house because we played Yu-Gi-Oh!

And he's like, did you?

Did you ever meet my like kid brother?

I was like, yeah, I remember I talked to your parents about James Dean.

And he was like,

what?

And I have not spoken to this guy in 20 years.

I went over to his house one time to play Yu-Gi-Oh!

with him and his kid brother.

And I talked to his parents about James Dean movies.

And like, that's it.

I owe that's all.

It's locked in there now.

It was in there.

I don't remember why I remember that, but have a weird memory for stuff like that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But anyway, I'm not a Sonic fan.

The, the, the,

conclusion of that story is: I'm not a Sonic fan.

I know the lyrics to every single Sonic song, and I've seen every single movie, and I've played all of the games, but I'm not a fan.

I'm not a fan.

Really?

I'm not a fan.

I did have to play like 15 Sonic games in a month, like in 2020.

I was about to call you out on this.

I was waiting patiently to be like, was there not a time you played through

every Sonic game it wasn't every sonic game but it was a good amount of them i played i played probably like 15 of them and i played some real stick i was about to say i watched you play some truly terrible sonic games did you watch me play a 06 because i definitely had to play 06 on stream and that was a lot i don't remember if i saw i remember you playing one of the ones that was like

3d where you had to like go and

i was like this isn't sonic i don't know what this is we're not this isn't

it might have been adventure one or two because i played adventure one and two and I also played Sonic Boom.

And I played Sonic 06.

Those are all the 3D Sonic games.

And then, yeah,

I played a bunch of them.

And then I had to play Sonic Jam for thegame.com, which is a system that you probably didn't know existed.

But there's a system called theGame.com.

And there's a game for it called Sonic Jam.

And it's just like a really bad version of Sonic 3.

It's terrible.

But

yeah, I had to play a whole bunch of stuff.

and I learned a lot about Sonic.

I learned a whole lot whether I liked it or not.

Proud of it.

Yes.

Yeah, thanks.

Thank you.

You know, you know, here's the thing that's crazy.

I believe you when you say you're not a fan of Sonic because I also know that you're not a fan of Minecraft, yet you know so much Minecraft stuff.

And I think it's because you set yourself up for torture frequently.

And what do you, I don't think?

I mean, I watched you do 10 hours of you watching the same Minecraft parody song over

and over and for 10 hours, dude.

I did watch I did watch the Minecraft Creeper song for 10 hours.

I did do that.

That's true.

And I don't think, you know what?

I don't think I remember the lyrics, which is kind of insane that I don't remember the lyrics of that song.

Give up diamonds, crafts the diamonds, send them something,

give

the...

I don't know.

I don't know how I remember it.

if you're wondering i would if you're wondering why because he said i'll do this if you guys sub or something and so people are like okay

sure bet and they did yeah it happened they did they showed up they came out

they definitely did so i sat there watching this guy lose his mind watching this creeper song yeah I also had to read the entire B movie script in a B movie.

I was going to say, Octo has done some truly unhinged stuff no i mean it's not that's not even that bad like there's there's i do octo you have like a like a full year there where the b movie was kind of like holding hands with your channel at all i had to i had to i had to tone that down because it got so bad at some point at one point because it was three minutes it was three minutes long

But yeah, it was, I do know the entire opening of that still because

I had to say it every time they did it.

And so I had to, but I feel like the B movie thing has run its course now.

I feel like it's B,

you like jazz is out, chicken jockey is in, all right?

You got to adapt with the times.

You know what I mean?

Speaking of adapting with the times, as a man who doesn't like Sonic, what is in your bathroom right now?

Okay, that you cannot bring that up.

That's not fair, Jesse.

That's not fair.

First off,

it is fair.

Second off, it's very fair.

Please, what's the best?

No, it's not

a joke.

I have a bath mat in front of my toilet with Rouge the Bat on it that says pissing all by yourself, handsome.

And

that's not fair.

You can't bring that up.

That doesn't mean I'm a Sonic fan.

Oh, no, not the baddie in the bathroom.

Come on.

That's crazy.

Wait, I have a picture of it.

Hold on.

It is one of the funniest things I've ever seen in my entire life, and I can't believe you have it.

Octo's house

is like a menagerie of horrors.

Like, internet meetings.

October place is amazing.

Like, internet memes everywhere.

The entire.

It's so funny.

I love it.

I do have the crucified funky Kong hanging up

in front of my door.

Here it is.

If you hadn't seen it, here's a picture of it.

I can't believe this exists.

Yeah.

Wait, oh, the only thing that would make it better.

Oh, no, never mind.

I was going to say it should be facing,

it should be, if you're sitting on the toilet, you can read it.

But then I remembered that, like, potentially you're standing and looking at it.

Yeah, so that makes sense.

My favorite thing.

I will say

it says pissing all by yourself.

Hano som?

I don't know.

It's the font.

It's the fight.

It's the font and the way that the

stuff is like.

Yeah, yeah.

So

my favorite part about this rug is anytime I have guests over and they use my bathroom, I just hear, what?

Like

the bathroom.

Erica Lind, like, bless her heart, was playing magic.

She came over to my apartment and she was playing magic.

She's like, oh, I got to use the bathroom really quick.

And she goes, hey, Alex, what is this?

And I was like, oh, my bath mat.

Yeah.

I

yeah,

yeah.

Now, if you were a Sonic fan, that would make sense.

But you say I'm not a Sonic fan.

I'm not a Sonic fan.

I don't see why having a bath mat.

Be listen, objectively, Rouge the bat is hot.

Like, you can't argue with that.

She's a baddie for real.

She's got the horror lids.

And so, um, like, that

I don't think having that makes me a Sonic fan.

It doesn't.

I mean, I've done, I mean, maybe it does.

What do I know?

Are there other versions of that bath mat?

Yes.

There's one.

There's one with Shadow the Hedgehog where he's holding the gun and it says nice cock.

That's the other one I thought about getting.

That's amazing.

Yeah,

shout outs to Kyle's Rugs on Etsy if you want to buy one of your own.

Oh my God.

Yeah.

Kyle's Rugs.

Oh, shit.

So once upon a time in Hollywood, but not in Hollywood here, I really wanted to just commit to a theme for the guest room.

And I landed at a certain point on Shadow the Hedgehog.

Oh, okay.

And

I wish there was a place I could put that, but alas, there's no toilet attached to that room.

Here's the

thing that isn't selling anymore.

Yeah, he's taking a break.

He sometimes goes on break because he gets backlogged.

There's the shadow one if you want to see it.

I can't believe that.

Yeah, it's tough.

He gets backlogged.

Yeah, he gets so many orders for the pissing all by yourself handsome one that he has to like go on break and he can't accept any more.

Yeah, the amount of five-star reviews is so funny.

That's unreal.

Oh, he also sells

joints.

He did it as wallet art.

Yeah, yeah.

Also, listen, everyone's like, okay,

did you make a Sonic OC?

I did, but as a joke.

Okay.

No, all right.

No.

It's a joke.

His name is Weed the Chameleon.

And he's, it was a joke.

He was a joke character.

I didn't really make a Sonic OC.

Hey, October, really quick.

What are your thoughts on Homestuck?

Don't do this to me.

That's mean.

You're mean to me.

What about it?

I just feel like, you know, a lot of you denying the truth of your nature.

And I, I don't know.

I feel like you don't need to.

I feel like you should just.

Listen, it's a perfectly fine web comic that has a very specific audience type.

And it's.

What kind of audience type would you say?

Um,

do you want me to save you?

No, no, no, no.

You know what?

No, I can do this.

I can do this.

Okay.

I would say that the audience type is people who grew up mostly with online friends and mostly participating in online communities.

And I think that's what really attracts people to that comic is people who have a lot of online, they spend a lot of time online and interacting with people online.

That's awesome.

That's a real answer.

That's a great answer.

So what would you say about the people that then create content and like do voices for Homestuck?

home Uh-huh.

Yeah.

What about them?

Like, they just get really in.

Like, are they into it?

Are they just not fans?

Like, what would you, would you say those are the hardcore fans?

People who like, you know, produce videos and make stuff about Homestuck?

The amount of people who

came from making Homestuck content and are now in the creator space or in like the acting space is very staggering.

You would be very surprised.

There are two people in the Persona 3 remake that came from Homestuck fandom,

which is very funny.

That's pretty sick.

Yeah, it's very funny.

The voice actor for Mitsuru and the voice actor for Igis are both huge Homestuck fans.

It's like shaking hands with

people that were really big in fan fiction communities and now have like best-selling novels.

Yeah, it's true.

It's true.

Yeah, no, I mean, it's sort of, it's like, because I've never actually made, the thing about the Sonic stuff is I've never actually made any Sonic content before, other than the streams, which don't count, I've never made any like outside Sonic content.

Fine, it's fine.

There's some good Sonic games.

Are you sure?

Because I seem to recall you playing 15 Sonic games.

It was like 17, but yes.

Sure.

I mean, yeah.

You've played more Sonic games than I have, and I adore Sonic.

So.

Okay.

I'm not trying to maybe I'm not trying to say

is this like an intervention?

Am I having it?

Do I need to like come to terms with the fact that I think Sonic is pretty cool?

Sorry, I didn't say that to try and like dog pile with Jesse.

I said it to be like,

I think that regardless of how many of the Sonic games you've played, you can be like different levels of interested in like Sonic.

Oh, sure, sure, sure.

Just like with Homestuck, like you could be, you read it online, or you could do an hour and 16 minutes of Homestuck lives at the Requiem Cafe.

Is this what you do?

Is this what you want?

Is this what you wanted me to do?

Is this what you wanted me to?

Look, I'm going fast.

He's so fast, Sonic.

He can really move.

Sonic.

He's got an attitude, Sonic.

He's the fastest thing alive.

Oh my gosh, he's so fast.

Well, you know,

I realized I am not a Sonic fan for sure because what you just sang, I've never heard in my life.

I don't know what that is.

I don't know what you just saying.

That's the

Adventures of the Sonic Hanshock theme, right?

Yes.

Not a son of a fan.

Never watch that because I'm not a Sonic fan.

Because I wouldn't know that.

I have no idea what that is.

Couldn't tell you.

Yeah.

Thank God Octo's here to tell us because he knows all about Sonic.

Jesse.

I know.

Do we have any news that we should cover before

we kick it?

The most important news, two news is.

One.

Yes.

Something weird is happening with the Rusty Lake team.

I think something's coming next week.

I don't know.

So keep a lookout.

Very excited for that.

And two,

Monster Prom is out right now.

MonsterCon.

Monster Prom 4, MonsterCon is out.

It's available right now.

That's the only news that matters.

Pick it up.

All their news doesn't matter.

Who cares?

Not important.

it's only about monster prom get monster con right now go get it don't be a fool and if you don't ever play it

what's the matter with you what's what's what what do you not enjoy fun are you are you a not fun haver

can i can i say a little easter egg can i say a little easter egg sure uh for monster con

so there's a secret ending for liam and it's references jojo's bizarre adventure and uh they had the the lines were written.

I don't know if these are in the game because it's like in the style of Dio, which so they gave it to the perfect person because I knew exactly what I was doing.

I was just going to say, yeah.

Yeah, they like probably could not have given that to a better person,

but I said them both in English and in Japanese.

And I did them twice.

So I did them once as Liam and then once doing my best Koyasu impression, who's the guy that voices Dio in Japanese.

So I don't know which one they used.

They might have used both of them or they might have been random, but I would love if they used the Japanese version because I think my Koyasu is pretty good.

Yeah, that's the little Easter egg.

You'll have to try and get the secret ending there.

They really did give that to the perfect person.

Yeah.

I literally don't think they could have done it any better.

Not that you're a Jojo fan.

Not a no, no, I am a Jojo fan.

That one I'll freely admit.

Yeah.

Good, good, good.

You.

Octo, thank you so much for joining us.

Thanks for having me.

For Gicnders today.

Yeah.

Where's having me?

Where can people find you?

Like,

if they want to come watch your beautiful blue face, what do they do?

You can find me on my Zanga where I post about my Sonic OCs.

You can find me on Friendster.

You can find me.

I'm an OctoPam everywhere.

If you just search the name, it'll pop up.

All my stuff that I've that I'm doing, that I'm do.

You can find me there.

Awesome.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I'm probably going to be playing, I'm going to check out that Ena Dream Barbecue game because everybody tells me to play it and it's really good.

So I want to check it.

Dream Barbecue?

Yeah.

It's a really weird surreal game that I guess is very, very good.

And everybody has recommended me play that.

So that's probably what I'm going to be playing next.

Okay.

Fantastic.

Jesse, do you have a Zango or a live journal?

Maybe a Pixiv account?

Where can people find you?

No,

Blogspot is where you can find me.

Fantastic.

No,

yo, hey.

Yeah, Blogspot's the winner.

On Monday, there should be a brand new six hours of Scary Game Squad

for the game Karma, the Dark World.

If you want to experience a trippy game that is

hints of,

I don't even know, like any Christopher Nolan movie, six hours, enjoy.

And then, yeah, there should be over on Cockclips a bunch of stuff from Expedition 33 and Blueprints and all the different games I've been playing.

So that's going to be there as well.

And then I'll be back.

Like, I'll be here next Friday.

So,

you know, it really will be like nothing changed.

So

I'll see you all then.

Awesome.

And I'm Dodger.

You can find me at Dex Bonus pretty much anywhere.

I can't think of other dead websites to name drop right now, but shout out to our childhoods, I guess.

Hey, have a fantastic weekend, guys.

Take care of yourselves.

And will we be doing an episode this Friday or next Friday, Jesse?

Yeah, I'll be here.

Fantastic.

We'll see you then, everybody.

Take care of yourselves.

Hey, if you wanted to watch this again later because you just can't get enough of Octo, you can find all of our VODs on youtube.com slash jessecox.

And the audio version of this, the pod version, if you will, is pretty much anywhere that you listen to podcasts.

So, however, you choose to ingest geekenders, we're delighted.

Thank you all very much for the support.

We'll see you next time, gang.

So long.

Bye.

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