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Hello, everybody, and welcome to Geekenders.

Y'all.

Sorry, I didn't know we were done.

I didn't know where you were going.

It sounded like you were Ipaniming.

It sounded like you were doing sort of like a tapping on a drum thing.

You were waiting for me to jump in with like,

I'm so sorry.

I didn't mean to leave this.

We're normally so in sync with those things.

That was the pre-show.

We got that out of the way early.

Out of sync for pre-show, out of sync for actual show as god intended yeah right right right yes blessed be you know yeah

how are you buddy good good good good i screwed up today i made a terrible mistake okay uh

i

got it in my mind this is why you don't do this kind of stuff i got it in my mind last night hey

i'm gonna wake up tomorrow because i discovered the nintendo direct was this morning.

Oh, okay.

And I was like, yo, I'm going to wake up early and I'm going to do this because it says 9 a.m.

Eastern.

So in my mind, I'm like 6 a.m.

But like, wouldn't it be cool if I got up and I streamed that this morning?

Now, for those of you who are online at 6 a.m., you know, I did not.

Instead, I got up at 5 a.m.

At 5.

If I look tired, it's because I got up at 5 a.m.

Okay.

And at 5 a.m.

took a shower.

got ready, came to the office, sat down, went to go turn on the stream.

The internet wasn't working.

It was like the internet was just not working.

So, uh,

I don't know, 30 or so minutes passed, and finally, I just gave up and was like, whatever.

So, I started doing prep for like news and things.

And then I finally got it to work and I watched the rest of the stream.

And it, like, uh,

it was a fine thing.

At least I have notes from what happened today for the show, but like, yeah, I didn't do anything with it.

I woke up early and achieved no real streaming goals.

Your fault.

And instead,

yeah, but it feels like it.

I could have just not done it like every other stream.

Every other time Nintendo does it, like, we're going to stream at 5 a.m.

Jesse's time.

I'm like, yeah, all right, I don't care about that.

But for some reason, this was the day I thought, I'm going to do it.

I'm going to do it.

Yeah.

So that's cool.

That's fun.

Yeah.

Valuable sleeping time.

Yeah, what are you going to do?

What are you doing?

Yeah.

So that happened.

And that was, that's, uh, yeah, yeah.

That's,

that's all I, that's all.

That's, that was my morning.

And it was not fun or pleasant.

But I did, you know, drink more coffee than a person should.

Yeah.

And then I've also done that and made myself another one.

So.

Hey, hey, that's good.

I do have tea, which isn't coffee.

But it's like clothes.

More caffeine.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that's where I'm at mentally, physically spiritually but uh yeah mistake

i don't know why i thought like i don't even

out of all the things i care about nintendo's like further down that list so i don't know what i was thinking i don't know why i thought that'd be fun admittedly was probably because i want to see more hyrule warriors footage and i did get to see some nice good

but also it was like why do i I don't care.

I literally, I own a Nintendo Switch 2, and the only game on it is the collection of Super Nintendo games that I ported over from Switch 1.

Right.

Like, I don't, I don't know why I thought, this will be very smart.

Everyone's going to love to hear my reaction to the eight Mario games they announce.

Right.

I don't, I don't play Mario.

Like, I don't, I don't know what to tell you.

So,

yikes.

I mean,

you know, you're the sort of person who people like just listening to your response to stuff anyway.

So people would have absolutely loved to watch that.

Yeah, you say that.

I do say that.

But all it does is make me feel worse for not actually having a stream.

But that wasn't your fault.

There was no internet, man.

You did everything to set yourself up.

I love watching you.

I just spent all morning being like, you know, I didn't even need to do that.

It was not even, it was so stupid.

Why didn't you like, but people love it.

If you had done that, it would have been insanely successful.

So,

why are you like this?

I'm trying to make it better, but I made it worse.

And that's all right.

I've done that to you plenty of times.

I think that that's

a facet of a best friendship.

Yeah, we really try to make it better and only just drive more nails into the coffin.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

We're helping, we're hammering the best we can.

You're talking while putting the lid on the coffin, like, buddy, it's going to be amazing that would have been so great if only you had streamed dude because the people love you and i bet they were so sad to not see you this morning

yeah yeah think of all the extra time you could have got sleeping in nope

nope you're awake now cox now you're awake and how much caffeine have you had way too much but you know way too much How many, what are you going to do do you have left in you for the day?

Like two?

I must stress, I uh

i just realized i woke up at five it's 821 and i've had five cups of coffee

oh buddy and an iced tea oh honey that's a lot

i'm aware i said it was a lot that's a lot of coffee man that's so much coffee that's not healthy for you you're in trouble buddy

Oh, bud.

I'm going to have to just drink water the rest of the day.

I'm going to have to be like a full-on water boy the rest of the day.

It's fine.

I used to, when I was doing coffee time, I would occasionally do what I called a caffeine-free week.

And

I and some of the viewers, I have no idea.

There was no way to monitor it, but we all decided to like pick something to cut down on or

go cold turkey on for the week.

And so I would have no caffeine.

Picked coffee?

I I would have no caffeine for the week.

And my headaches were insane for the first couple of days.

But, like, when I get to the point where I'm having caffeine often enough that I get headaches without it, there's a part of my brain that's like, that's an addiction, man.

You got to do something about that.

And then, and then I try to not have coffee, but then I'm miserable.

Yes.

Because my headaches are so bad.

I'm blessed that I tend to go for more light blends or coffee that most people would be like, this is some baby coffee.

I'm not a big like dark, thick coffee boy.

I need,

you know, a little more watered down.

So thankfully, I'm not

too much of a mess when it comes to.

There was a time when I would be like morning latte guy and doing actual espresso.

And when I stopped doing that, that was the end of, that was end of days.

That is espresso caffeine versus like americano just normal ass coffee caffeine is a different beast it's a different it's a whole nother level of like

my head yeah why

yeah oh it sucks i have a vivid memory when i was in high school my director of the school play that we were doing i can't remember why

but he like threw a huge fit.

Something wasn't going right while we were doing rehearsal.

A director of a school play throwing a huge fit.

I know.

Crazy.

A canon event.

And

he threw a fit and he was yelling at all of us.

And then he was like, and none of this would have happened.

And I wouldn't even be feeling this way if I had just had my damn coffee.

And I think about that all the time.

Like this man truly blamed him yelling at a bunch of students on whether or not he had coffee that day.

What's so funny is you're right.

That is a canon event because I just had a flashback to 11th grade and Candy Pease.

Shout out to Candy Pease, our theater teacher.

She was yelling at like a tech rehearsal thing and she was like,

I haven't had my coffee yet.

And that's, I believe firmly that is a drama teacher

like canon event of yelling.

You can't get in the way.

I need coffee.

I just haven't had my coffee.

Yeah.

yeah

i also remember that the thing the thing that tipped him over the edge that day was that i had cut my hair because i was the lead in that play and

no like you know we were high schoolers so there was no like and you need to not do anything to yourself until the play is done sure I was like, I want to get my hair cut.

My mom took me.

I got my hair cut.

And I walked into rehearsal and he was like, what have you done?

He was already pissed about something else.

I need to just like,

I know and I was like well

that's cinched it there

I'm so curious like I would love to go back in time and have a genuine adult as an adult now have a conversation with my drama teacher who was in charge of all the plays and whatnot in high school because the way she did it was every year

She'd look at who the cast was from the previous year, who the seniors were, and then she'd pick a musical based off of who the leads potentially would be, right?

Okay.

And every, so, so, like, um, you know, based on the cast, she would make different choices.

Like one year, there was this guy, man, I don't know what happened to him, but he was definitely that, that like high school kid who everyone thought was going to be like the next famous person.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

Like that one kid.

I don't remember his name to save my life.

He was, I, I just, I probably could deep dive and find it, but um,

he was this guy who the entire musical was based clearly around him being the lead.

So we did damn Yankees and he played the devil, right?

Okay.

So it's like that kind of thing.

And then, you know, every year they do that.

But for some, but hilariously, for my year, just to show you what a giant like goober I am.

Hello, Dolly.

And she's like, Jesse, you get to be the old man, Horace Vander, whatever the fuck his name is.

I'm like, cool, cool.

So that's what I got to do.

I got to be like, hello, Dolly.

Like, you got to do all, like, that's

not a romance, not a like full-on comedy, just like, all right, old ass, get out there.

And I was like, oh, boy, I can't wait.

Right.

And then

the girl who was like.

The hot actor girl in our school was Dolly, but then they had to like age her up.

It was so fun.

I just couldn't.

It was so funny.

Meanwhile, the play is always things like, you know, Midsummer Night's Dream.

We're like, Jesse, you get to be bottom.

So wear this ass mask the entire time.

That kind of stuff.

Or one year we did, like, she would always be like, I'm going to stick you in the most embarrassing role.

One year we did Cinderella and myself and two of the other guys.

No, one other guy.

I don't remember how many it were.

We were the mice from Cinderella.

And I was the big fat dumb mouse.

And instead of just putting us in mice costumes, I literally had

a diaper on.

Yes,

mouse outfit, diaper, running around on stage.

That's

because

I never said no.

I would be like, y'all, all right.

He doesn't wear a diaper in the movie.

I'm aware.

We know.

But my friend and I, we were like, yo, this is gonna be hilarious.

And I will say,

this is absolutely house.

This is a true statement that in 1998 or 99, whenever this happened, compared to today, it would be a different vibe.

But I'll never forget, we showed up in our

diapers, right?

And we had to do this.

We had to do this walk around the school thing because he and I were the dudes advertising the play.

So we would like go through classrooms and stuff, be like, you should come.

Anyway, one of the teachers, I swear to God, looked at me and goes, nice legs, Cox.

What the fuck, man?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I must stress, the year after I left and went off to college, so many things came out.

For people who aren't aware, let me just re

My school, the minute I left and went off to college, the next year when I'm in the dorms in college, I, you know, I'm still talking to people who are still in school there because I had some friends who were like in 11th grade.

We're still like, you know, early ICQ chat, whatever the hell was going on then.

And they were like, you're never going to believe what happened.

Let me rattle off some of the things that happened.

The science teacher got arrested for

diddling.

The English teacher ran away to Mexico with a student.

They canceled school dances because girls were selling favors in the bathroom.

They like, like, the minute we left, it went like, I think I was the last bulwark against true insanity because I put it all on me.

I was like, uh, I was like sucking up all of the

madness in the school.

And then when I left, it was,

you know.

I remember us talking about this because we had this like fucked up moment together.

a while back where you were like, the craziest shit happened at my school after I left.

And I was was like, the craziest shit happened at my school and I left.

And both of us at the same time were like, my teacher got arrested for touching students too much.

I, I like,

I, I couldn't believe it.

Also,

it was also

liked too, which I was, yes, I was really upset.

My literal favorite teacher is the one who ran away to Mexico.

He's like, how did I not see that there was something anyway?

I probably should have because he would let us go in in study hall and watch the first season of Family Guy.

And I was like, that's not very good teaching.

And so I probably should have picked up that he probably wasn't a great teacher, but I loved him as a teacher.

I thought he was awesome.

Because he didn't make you

do anything.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So that was, that was a whole thing.

It's weird because then when I went off to school and I was looking for jobs, when I came back.

to my high school because I figured, you know what?

I'll put in an application here to teach.

Why not?

That could be fun.

I went to my high school, walked in, and

two things happened.

One,

80 security guards showed up, which is was not the case ever when I was in school.

So between

come to you?

Yes.

I walked in the school and people were like, who are you?

What are you doing here?

Which is a different vibe.

So like that was

between the years when I graduated and went to college and then came back.

Clearly the world had changed, which was a weird experience.

Yeah.

But then

as I was escorted to the principal's office, the minute the door opens, the secretary's the same.

The principal's the same.

Everyone's the same.

They look at me and they're like, what are you doing here?

And I'm like, hey, guys.

And I felt like a kid again suddenly, like, I'm in trouble.

Like, here I am in trouble again.

Because spoilers, I got in trouble a lot as a kid.

I had one of those,

what's the word?

I...

was too stupid to learn good.

So me act out in class to get attention when really I should have just been studying.

So, you know.

He class clown.

He funny boy.

Me class clown.

Yeah.

Me make joke.

No learning.

He funny.

He don't like to listen, but he funny boy.

Yeah, me make joke.

I love that you then became a teacher.

Oh, it is my penance.

I'm convinced that the place I ended up teaching at and the students I taught who were all like, if they don't pass, they will never graduate.

Yeah, I'm convinced that's some sort of universal karma to be like, no, you were an asshole as a kid, Jesse.

So now you have to deal with big assholes.

Not just assholes, but like

a whole class of assholes.

Yeah, yeah.

So

definitely had to man up there.

I was like, how long were you a teacher for?

How many years?

Three years?

Not long in the grand scheme of things, but I probably would have been a teacher longer had I not been let go.

Yeah.

You know, like, had we not had a weird 2010 financial crisis, I'm sure I still would be, like, I uh

have a problem in that if I say I'm gonna do something, I'll continue to do it, even long after the fact that I probably should have given up on it, yeah, and even though I probably should have given up on teaching because, like, it was the toughest thing I've ever done,

I uh still would probably be doing it, yeah, if I hadn't been forced literally forced out,

man.

So, like, yeah, I have that problem.

I don't know when to give up.

I'm like, no, I can still keep going.

I'm all bloody.

I ain't hear no pill.

No,

that's a foolish, foolish thing about me.

But

yeah, it was,

it was a weird experience going back to my old high school.

Like, it's a, it definitely has one of those, you can't go home again vibes.

Like, the minute I went there, it felt weird.

Like, everything seems smaller.

All like, uh, it, it, yeah, you know, like, uh, when you're a kid, the lockers are giant and you do, I walked in there and was like, look at this.

Who's this for babies?

It was a different vibe.

Yeah.

But also, the vibe was different for them too, where they saw me come in and did not recognize or care about me.

And we're like, who are you?

What are you doing here?

Like, they swarmed me like I was up to no good.

And I was like, I'm here for an interview.

And they were like, all right, to the principal's office with you.

When Sam came to my hometown for the first time, my mom did that classic mom thing.

She started watching Geekenders, by the way.

Hi, mommy.

So she'll probably see this.

But

she did that classic mom thing where she was like, oh my gosh, you should take Sam to go see Rolled High School and, you know, the place where you stay now.

And I was like, sure, why not?

You know, any of you who have heard the story about Sam getting into my dad's truck with me and we turned on the radio and he couldn't understand a thing anybody was saying on the radio.

It was that same trip because I'm in, I lived in such a like backwoodsy area and my dad listens to like weird AM radio shit, right?

Hell yeah.

Anyway,

so I took him by my high school and I also had that weird like like chill down my back kind of moment of like,

this feels weird.

It's even like drive by it feels weird, you know?

But imagining going in, I have like a mental reaction to the idea of going in there.

I would not, not because I had a terrible high school experience, just because I don't belong there anymore, you know?

Yes, it felt exactly like you described.

You don't belong there.

Yeah.

And that's, that's how I felt as well.

And even in the interview,

it was very clear, at least from what I could tell, that the principal was like, we're looking for a coach who can also teach, not just a teacher.

And I was like, all right, I'm not getting this job.

But the conversation we were having was very much along the lines of like, It's weird being back, isn't it?

And when the principal recognized that I was like,

it was, we started to have like a fun conversation, but yeah, not

a fan of doing that.

You're smart not to go back in.

It's a weird experience.

What did young Jesse want to do?

What was like your dream job when you were in high school?

Do you remember?

I think I always wanted to do something in entertainment.

I know for a while.

My parents were convinced I'd become a politician, but

the things I say, the things I say, I would not.

what were you doing that made them go, you should go to government?

I'm sure they thought that because being an actor and or entertainer gets you no money.

So I'm pretty sure they were like, use the charisma somewhere else.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That was always a big concern of theirs where they were like, we just want you to be able to support yourself.

And I think that was their big driving force when I was young, which is why I did teaching.

Even though in college, I was on a radio station, I was in theater.

I did all this stuff, but I went teaching because my parents were like, you got to make money.

If you don't make it in the world of acting, you got to make money.

And so I just gave in to that.

Yeah.

And the minute I didn't have a teaching job anymore, my parents were like, you should really go be a sub or something.

I was like, I would rather die.

I would rather.

die than be a substitute teacher.

Are you kidding me?

And that's when I started doing YouTube just for fun.

Yeah.

And then now here we are.

Here we are.

It was that it was that moment where I was like, no, mom and dad, I will not make you happy anymore.

I'm going to do what I want to do, which is this thing.

But yeah, most of that was like, your mother and father just want you to be good.

I was like, no,

no.

I think that's common.

When I was young, like the sort of activities that you were clearly doing to make yourself happy, like doing the radio and all of that, things that you enjoyed, I think.

I think it's really common for parents to look at that as like, oh, he's got such nice hobbies, but like this other, this thing is what's going to like get him through life securely, not that fun stuff, right?

I mean, they know me well enough to know, for example, that in college, when we had to do our like acting stuff,

there was the BA program and then the BFA program.

Yes.

And I, because I was like, I really want to be an actor, wanted to do the BFA stuff.

And when I got in the program, I realized that it was like

a lot of nonsense work.

Have we talked about this before that we both got into

a BFA program and then dropped out of it?

Yeah, I immediately remember auditioning for a thing and being like, This is stupid.

Why am I wasting my time on this?

So I dropped out of the BFA and was just like, No, I'll just do BA.

And I had so much free time that I got a double major in history.

And I was like, the parents will be happy about this.

But like,

yeah, the BFA sucked.

I was like, this is, this is a level of trial.

It's like

when you're in the BA program for acting, it's people who are like, acting's fun.

I like doing this.

I went in their BFA program.

It's like everyone thinks they're Daniel Day-Lewis.

That's so true.

Yes.

There's like a level of like up your own buttness.

Again, I've told the story a million times.

One of the girls I knew.

Named Lauren, went away for a summer, got a bit roll on a TV show where she was a background character for one season, came back, her name was Loren.

Lauren.

Lorraine.

I remember you saying that.

I was like, this is who I'm dealing with.

I can't, I was like, I can't do this

anymore.

Yeah, I wouldn't say that there was anything wrong with the BFA program at my school.

Like the way that they were running it and the teachers and everything, like the program itself was good.

The issue was, and the reason why they like brought me into a crazy, like all-hands meeting

was because

I clearly,

when you go into a BFA program in theater, they make you choose a focus.

And I was like, okay, I'll do acting.

And so I did all my monologues, and they were like, good job, you're in the program.

And I was like, yay.

And then I continued to do costume design and work on sets and like all kinds of other stuff.

And they were like, it seems like your heart's not really in this.

We really need you to focus on acting.

Are you not going to do that?

And I was like, I don't know, probably not.

So,

yeah.

For clarity for chat, BA is Bachelor of the Arts.

BFA is Bachelor of the Fine Arts.

Yes.

And it's just a little like a separate thing that is like, if you're really into acting, this is, you're going to know all your techniques, your stellas, your like, like all the different sense memories.

You're really going to be able to cry on command by the time you're done.

You can get a BFA in

all like a bunch of different art forms.

Yeah.

But it's just like the next level up that you have a really honed focus on the thing.

Yeah.

It says to assuming you want to continue your education, if you wanted to go for a master's,

they would look at that and be like, wow, this person really knows exactly what they want to do and dedicated their time at the last school to that thing.

So it makes sense that both Jesse and I were like,

maybe not.

Maybe not us.

It's just, yeah, a lot of it was

not

what I thought it was going to be.

I thought I would be acting.

And a lot of it was like, we're going to sit around in a circle.

And I'm going to say a word, then you say a word.

And then there's 15 words.

You have to memorize every word and keep doing it.

And I'm like, I know this means something.

It's probably for memorizing dialogue or whatever, but also

we spent 45 minutes doing this.

Like, I could be doing anything else with my day.

This is crazy.

Yeah.

I just didn't buy in, and that's fine.

I don't have a serious acting bone in me.

Like, I like acting.

I like the idea that it's pretend and we're having a good time, but also, I will break character at a moment's notice to laugh at whatever just happened.

You watch any DD thing Dodger and I have ever done.

Yeah.

We'll be in the middle of a scene and I'll be like, Dallas, stupid.

What are you doing?

You know, like,

I cannot keep in character.

I can't, I suck at memorizing lines.

I just, I'm not like,

I'll never be a movie star, but

I did enjoy the process of acting.

I do enjoy, you know, doing little characters and making voices and stuff, but I don't, I'm more of a clown than an actor, I think I've discovered.

I do also think that there are multiple ways to approach acting.

And some people do it from more of like a, like,

like feel it in your body, sort of, you know, recall past memory, like like method acting falls into that tree, right?

And other people look at it from more of like a technical perspective, like like, yeah, we're acting, but also I'm, I'm rehearsing lines and I know where I need to stand.

And, you know, like I can be, I can be a good partner to another person on stage because I know where I need to be and I know what I need to say.

And I think the second one sometimes allows for a bit more play,

a bit more just saying like, sure, we're here to do a fun thing or a cool thing or an interesting thing, right?

But like,

I can detach myself from it.

I can just enjoy being here and doing, and doing the thing, you know?

And I think acting school sometimes really wants to put you in the place of like, do you feel it?

Do you feel this right now?

You know, there's nothing wrong with that.

I think sometimes there's different ways of approaching acting butt heads though.

Yeah,

I'm always impressed when I watch,

again,

going back to like Dead Take, for example, seeing two actors do the exact same line of dialogue completely differently.

I love that kind of stuff.

I love watching,

oh, God, who was it?

Was it Javiar Bardem?

One of them.

I was watching some actor talk about how like he reads a script five times and then he'll go through and like rewrite stuff and do all this prep work so it's in his head.

So he's not thinking about lines of dialogue.

He's just living the character.

And that kind of stuff, I realized my ADHD would not allow that.

I just simply could not do five read-throughs of the same script by myself.

I need people around.

I need to be like back and forth with other people.

I just absolutely could not sit there and read it and then break it down and then do the process.

Like I just

cannot do that and would never do that.

It's like that's impressive to me on a level I'm like, oh yeah, no, that's the fine arts guy.

That guy figured it out.

i can't do that

yeah yeah

um i sort of naturally absorb lines but i never really like sweat too much about about lines and memorizing lines because let's be real after you've been at enough rehearsals

You've had to say that shit so many times, dude.

Yeah, it comes like if you do it naturally over the course of like, you know, rehearsal stuff, that's fine.

But there's that level above where they're going in and they're like, would my character actually say this?

Sure, yeah.

Like that kind of stuff.

And I love that.

I love watching actors really break down their character.

Yes.

Yeah.

Because it's like, not just, oh, I'm pretending, which is how I feel.

Again, a lot of me in acting school was me pretending and getting away with it.

Just being like, oh, this is for babies.

I can do this.

But the reality is that's not acting.

That's whatever the hell Jesse was doing.

But, like, acting, acting, when you watch someone do it, you're just like, damn.

Okay.

Yeah, when you're

seeing why you're good.

Yeah, you just feel the electricity when they're on stage.

Yeah, it's different.

Yeah.

Going back through

this is,

I must stress, take the time to watch this.

Krendor and I watched this a few weeks back.

The movie Bloodsport.

It's a man-damn movie.

It is a movie that is the basis for Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter.

It is just, you know, an average bad movie from the 80s.

The thing is, in that movie, every actor's like, I don't know, man.

We're going to have to battle.

Except

Forrest Whitaker is in that movie.

And the difference between Forrest Whitaker and every other person in the movie, you're like, oh no,

that's an actor.

There he is.

Every scene, Forrest Whitaker, it seems like he's a person who lives in this world.

Every other character seems like an actor who was paid to be on set and say some lines.

Right.

And the difference is so jarring that you're like, okay, that's an actor.

That's why Forrest Whitaker goes on to act.

And why everyone else in the movie is like, all right, well, bye.

I'll die.

You know?

Yeah.

And I think that's, it's, it's the major difference there.

And when you see good acting, you know it.

And when you see see like bad acting, you know it.

And for the most part, I'll be real,

not a good actor.

I recognize I'm not a good actor.

But I can do like, if you got like six lines of dialogue, I can do that.

Do you want me to do that?

If you're like Jesse,

yes, I got you.

Yeah.

But if you were like Jesse Carrie, this production, I'd be like, you're making a terrible choice.

Like, you really should not do this.

I feel like you and I both have the energy of like

later in life joining community theater and having a blast.

Oh, yeah.

You know, like,

put me

in a small town version of Oliver Twist.

I'll eat that shit up.

Yeah.

Who we are.

We are the J and Silent Bob to your movie.

We deserve exactly seven minutes of screen time.

Yeah.

But in those seven minutes, we're snooching and we're Gucci and we're making jokes.

And everyone's like, love those two.

But if you make a full movie,

if we all are Sarah Waltham, it's bad.

Yes, yes,

which we learned in real life about that.

Yeah, yeah, it's a bit, but don't make a full movie out of it.

That's oh my gosh, that's like, that's like

it was such lightning in a bottle for an SNL movie to ever do well, you know.

Like, yeah, there were so many SNL skits that they would be like, let's make a movie of this,

dude, did not work, did not work, did not work, many did not the 90s, early 2000s was filled with bad SNL movies.

Yeah.

And there were a few that worked.

Every so often, you get a Wayne's World.

Yes.

But for the most part.

Wayne's World is, I think, like the

top.

The first top.

For the most part, you would get...

Yeah, yeah.

But you get a lot of like,

oh, God, what is the,

what is love?

You get that Night of the Roxbury.

You get like a lot of those movies were like.

Oh, this one.

That girl.

Mary Katherine Gallagher.

That was one of them.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Not great.

But when they went on to do other things that weren't SNL sketches, that were full-on stuff, like a bunch of actors who went in and did,

you know,

Ghostbusters very SNL.

You have Anchorman very SNL.

Yes.

Like that kind of stuff.

But there's...

Many, you know what?

Coneheads worked as a movie.

That was fun.

I don't remember anything about coneheads, except that there's a scene where they reveal a baby with a cone head, I think.

Sure.

I think that's the daughter who gets born to them, and they have to raise the daughter.

That's on the first day.

The lady conehead.

Yes.

Yeah.

But yeah,

it definitely goes to show that three minutes of hilarity does not equal a full

YouTube.

Early that, like 2010 YouTube, when it was like, we're going to make a Fred movie.

A Fred movie?

We're gonna be.

I was literally like, what was that guy's name?

Oh my god, yes.

Same energy.

It's like, that's not gonna work.

It didn't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Three minutes of hilarity does not equal a food movie.

It never has.

You really have to

hone in and make something good.

And

that's not the case.

Like Blues Brothers is a movie as good because it is like

its own.

It's not just the goof from Saturday Night Live.

They took it and they're like, we're going to make a musical of these characters and we're going to give it a plot.

Like, it's a different beast.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, that's why it works.

Anyway, that's us.

That's us.

Three minutes of, yeah, three minutes of hilarity forced into a two-ish-hour podcast.

Any longer, and you would not enjoy it anymore, guys.

Yeah, you don't want the extended Lord of the Rings cut of this show.

Oh my goodness.

Yep, yep, yep.

What have you done?

So, what did you do this week?

Oh, my God.

Jinx Padlock 123 Private.

That's the new one.

Have you heard that before?

No.

What do you mean?

123 Private.

You can't talk your Jinx.

I'm kidding.

Jesse, Jesse, Jesse.

That's what my kid came home saying.

Jinx Padlock 123 Private.

Jinx, padlock, I get one, two, three, I get private is so, I was raised on a phone.

Yeah.

Like, that is so purely of a generation alpha vibe.

Yeah.

It made me laugh.

So

private.

No bad

silence mode.

Yeah.

Jinx, you owe me a Coke.

That's what I grew up with.

Yep.

Yep.

And no one ever gave you a Coke.

No one.

No one ever gave you a Coke.

What was up with that?

Rude as hell.

Yeah.

I played a wild game today.

Can I tell you?

First off, hold on, hold on, hold on.

I think I know what you played because

yesterday I discovered two games that I want to play this weekend.

Okay.

And I'm very excited to play them.

The first, of course, being a game.

It's an FMV game that I found that I think you should play too because it looks insane.

It's called the fame game.

Welcome to Hollywood.

Okay.

As far as as I can tell, the story is you are a soap opera star who gets a new leading role, but there's like drama and stuff, and then for some reason, every woman in it is in a bikini.

Okay.

I was very concerned it was like erotica.

It's not,

but it seems like it could be.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So I definitely want to play this because it's supposed to be like, this is what Hollywood's like.

So I'm very excited.

And then the game you played this morning is on my list to play this weekend, Road to Empress.

And I couldn't watch you play it, obviously, because I want to play it, but I'm curious what it's like from your perspective.

Oh my God.

Yeah, I will be as spoiler-free as possible because I really want you to like experience this game.

Road to Empress, as in like Emperor, Empress.

Right.

Is was pitched to me, and this is exactly what it is.

A

Chinese historical drama FMV.

Love it.

Love it.

Incredible.

It is, I believe, based on the life of an actual woman, an actual empress.

And

so at the start of the game, you take on the role of this woman who has started her life at the palace.

And the entire game is you navigating

the

socio-political landscape of being in the palace and

trying to stand out when you should stand out and trying to fade into the background when you should fade into the background in order to survive long enough to become the empress.

Gotcha.

Okay.

This is like full-on FMV.

You are essentially watching a movie and then you have choices pop up that branch off everything and it's all

filmed.

It's beautiful.

Like it's a

gorgeous game, and I can't remember the last time I laughed so much because it is very, I don't feel like this is a spoiler.

It is very much like

Long Live the Queen,

not in terms of balancing stats.

You don't, you don't balance stats, but the number of times that you do something, and then

and then there's a whole sequence of you dying, and it's like

you died.

It's so funny.

It's so funny.

And I won't spoil you on any of that or get specific with any of that.

Is it fair?

When you make these choices, does it feel like, okay, yeah, that makes sense why I got this?

Or is it kind of like, how would that happen?

Why would that happen?

I did question a few of them.

And I will say that it feels like, and I won't know until I go back and kind of make different choices from the beginning to see how it branches.

But right now, it definitely feels like I am trying to figure out what the right thing is to do to stay alive, right?

To like keep staying alive.

And I can't tell if those earlier choices would have still eventually led me to where I am, or if it's like there is always one right answer that will keep you moving forward.

I don't know because I haven't, I haven't gone back to test that.

But I was realizing I don't think I've ever played an FMV that wasn't made in or by Americans or the United Kingdom.

So I was like, this is actually so cool to play an FMV from China, right?

Yeah.

With like a bunch of very talented Chinese actors and actresses.

There's tons of characters.

There's like so many moving parts it's all it's very like politics based.

So there's so many moving parts.

Yeah, it's really fun.

And when I opened it up, when you open it up, it has like like a mobile game.

It'll have like a little, it has like a mail thing.

And I clicked on it and it was like claim your roses and I was like is this an in-game currency?

So I got a little nervous about potential like

like in-game currency like microtransactions in the game, but I have played for hours now and nothing has ever been like claim your roses claim like like claiming in a in a mobile game like claim your currency basically sure wait and you did did you claim your roses I did claim my roses yeah could you spend them on anything so as you meet people, you have like a lexicon of people that are in the palace.

And there are a bunch of, there's so much in this game.

There are a bunch of little like side videos that you can watch.

So you can click on a person and there's a video that you can, that like a whole separate side thing that you can watch about that character, about their background, about what they're thinking.

And when you click it, you can basically like or dislike it

with roses.

And I don't understand why or what that does for the game.

I haven't done anything with it yet because I don't know what it does or if it matters.

That's so interesting.

I have no idea what that means.

Me neither.

I think there's a lot of branching paths in this game and a lot of different ways to play it because

there's like this weird thing in the menu that shows a bunch of different

bracelets.

This is hard to explain, but I was looking at them before I ever started the game.

There's a bunch of different bracelets, and each section of the bracelet has a different name to it.

And I speculated that maybe each one of those, I thought that maybe this was their way of displaying achievements.

Like each one of those is a different sort of ending you can wear.

Yeah, okay.

I don't know.

I don't know, but I want to watch you play this so bad because I was

losing my mind.

It's so fun.

I think you'll really enjoy it.

I think you'll lose your mind in the same way that I was

playing.

They're both sitting on my desktop.

I was like, these two games I must play this weekend because they both look completely different in scope.

Yeah.

But equally insane.

Which I'm, I love a good,

oh, yeah, no, we made an FMV game and it's going to be weird.

And those are my favorite.

I love when an FMV game is like, we tried a thing.

Yeah.

It's like, okay.

Oh my gosh.

It's so, it's so fun.

And to play an FMV with like an insanely high budget, like there is never a moment when playing this game that I'm like,

that looks really crappy.

There's actually, there was only one moment where somebody was messing around with a flower and I was like, is that plastic?

It seemed like such a weird thing to like cut cost on because everything else looks so nice.

But it literally feels like you're just like playing through a movie.

It's wild.

Yeah, I'm always curious how those do.

Because when you think about making FMV games, you think like, okay, we got to make it a game.

Yeah.

We have to gamify it in some way.

But there are things, just like the game you're talking about, which are just, you're watching a movie and making choices.

It's essentially a visual novel, but an FMV.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I wonder how well those do.

I mean, I imagine they have an audience or else they wouldn't keep making them.

But

I don't know.

You either need to have a bunch of cool ways for people to die or a bunch of different people you can kiss, I think.

And then it does fine.

That's my guess.

Note to self.

Should we make like an FMV game?

It's not even a game.

It's just a movie, but there's like

lots of people to kiss.

Yeah.

The whole game is like just,

it's like that game where everything you could

date everything.

Date everything except an FMV.

Except an FMV and you can just kiss everything.

The whole game is just a person living through their normal life, but every single person you talk to there's the option of like you want to make out and you just see what happens

yep yeah i like it i feel like i feel like but also i really want it to be fmv first person still so when you make out it's just someone's mouth whiten the camera there's like breathmarks on the on on the lens

It's just actors like getting really like real close to the camera.

That's what I want yeah yeah yeah i think i want to have that sort of yeah love and deep space level of the actors and the microphones like

you're so hard i want that right i want that kind of like this is we'll market it as an asmr game and everyone oh yeah it'll get downvoted so hard but then it'll show all the all of the different like websites will then write about it and then more and more people

scenes where they're like making out ASMR, but it's like those ASMR where they make mouth noises.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my God.

Yes.

We got it.

Now that's a game.

Sleeper hit, man.

Hell y'all.

That's the one.

Damn.

The other game that I played this week, week, I played all the way through it is the off

remake, re-release, remaster.

I'm not totally sure what they're calling it.

Off.

Off, the like old indie game.

Huh?

Why don't I...

That doesn't ring a bell to me at all.

I was saying

while playing this game that off is one of those weird games where like it is an old French indie darling.

It has such a huge cult following.

And yet most of the time when I bring it up to people, they have never heard heard of this game, which is so crazy to me.

So, this is like an old, like RPG maker-style indie game.

It is very surreal and weird.

In the game, you take on the persona of the batter.

The game from the get-go talks to you, the player.

So, the batter at the start of the game sort of lays out his mission, which is to purify the world, to rid the world of specters and evil.

And then, game kind of looks at you and says cool so who are you

and then they establish you as the puppeteer of the batter like you are helping you you are in control of the batter the batter is your puppet and you are going to help him complete this mission it's very weird it's one of those games where you finish it and you're like i really want to go read what people think this game is about

I had started playing it on my channel like 10 years ago and never finished it and they re-released it um with all new music for some reason they couldn't get the rights to the old music and so they got people like toby fox who made undertale um and a bunch of other lovely people to make new music for the game everyone was nervous about that it turned out great i loved the new music kept all of the old sprites they cleaned up the ui made it so the menus are actually readable you know did a bunch of like quality of life stuff for people to experience this game for the first time and it was a buck wild experience.

It was very fun and weird.

And how long to beat?

How long did it take me to beat off?

You looked to camera for some sort of approval from me, and I'm going to let you know.

I'm above such

perversions.

It took me 11 hours, apparently.

Okay.

All right.

I can't remember if I left it on at any point, but I think it's about a 10-hour game.

Yeah, all right.

I mean, like, I bet I could beat off faster than that, but like, yeah,

yeah, you probably could beat off faster than 10 minutes.

10 hours.

10 minutes?

Please.

Please.

Please.

Oh my goodness.

But yeah, if you want to play a really weird little indie game, it is the easiest to play it that it's ever been.

And again, this game has been like a, it's considered a cult classic.

It's been around for a long time.

And if you are the sort of person who plays a game and wants to immediately read how people feel about it, look at fan art, et cetera, there is so much.

There's so much out there.

Potentially, it's a friends situation.

I've said before that I didn't watch friends until I was an adult, and when I watched it, every episode it felt I was like, oh my god, that's what that joke is from.

Off-inspired a lot of other indie games, while you're playing it, you're going to be like, Oh, this feels a little bit like Omori.

This feels, you know, like it has, it's that sort of a thing.

Honest to God, watching like clips of it, seeing it online,

I don't want this to sound offensive.

Okay, so don't take it this way, internet.

But the vibe vibe is, when you said 10 years ago,

the vibe is

supremely Tumblr game.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Like during the same time period where they had, what's that show that Octo loves?

Homestuck.

They did voice Homestuck.

It has that, like, that definitely was on Tumblr, and it's what the kids on Tumblr loved.

You know what I mean?

It has that vibe because I don't remember seeing this anywhere.

At all.

I know it exists, but I remember seeing this.

If I were to look in the mirror and be like, that's that's not a Tumblr kid, I would be lying.

Yeah, like I remembered the logo.

I remember that, but I don't know.

I clearly forgot this game even exists at all.

But like,

it looks neat.

I love a good weird

sort of storytelling, kind of, like, we're going to get real trippy with it

story.

So, yeah, I'll definitely check it out.

I had no idea it existed.

I mean, potentially, this is one of those situations where, like,

again, it's been around for a long time and

indie games have iterated on a lot of games that came before it, of course.

So potentially, a lot of people playing this game now would go, okay, yeah.

Like, I've played other games that have done something like this, but more to my style or more to my liking, you know?

Yeah.

It's like when you watch an old movie that set up a bunch of tropes.

Yes.

And you're kind of like, oh, cool, neat.

But at the time, it was groundbreaking.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then Silk Song,

you know.

How you doing?

How's Silk Song going?

Great.

You stressed?

You freaking?

No.

I'm in Act Two.

I think that's the spoiler-freest way to

talk about it.

The game is split up into acts story-wise.

And I, as of last night, I am now in act two.

Yeah,

I feel pretty good.

There have been a few bosses that I've gotten to, and someone said, I thought this was the hardest boss in the game.

And I wound up doing all right against it, or at least not like losing my mind, like enjoying myself through the process of beating it, you know, because I feel like that's the real war with a game like this:

am I going to reach the point where I fucking hate this fight and just want to do anything to be done with it?

And so far, the fights that have been

like pretty difficult and taken a while for me i've enjoyed them the whole way through so

that's good

yeah like you really have to especially in those games you have to the the process is the thing you have to enjoy the process and if you don't then you will not like those games because there's going to be a moment where you hit a wall and you're going to have to bash your head against it to break through and uh yeah if you don't enjoy that stuff Don't play those games because it will happen.

Something that I think is important for people to know if they're interested in playing this game.

Well, a couple of things.

The first one is you definitely don't have to have played Hollow Knight to enjoy Silk Song.

You don't need to have played it to understand the world.

It establishes things for you.

And the second thing is...

And

I originally felt like maybe this was too much of a spoiler, but I think it's kind of important for people to know if they're trying to decide whether or not this game is approachable for them.

Different from Hollow Knight, this game gives you lots of different play styles.

So as you're playing, you unlock different ways to play the game, different fighting styles, different classes almost.

And it vastly changes how you move, how you attack, how you platform.

All of those things are different depending on which one you choose.

And so you have options to figure out what feels best for you.

One of the options is basically just Hollow Knight.

Like, if you liked the way that it felt to play Hollow Knight and you're not enjoying the way that Hornet feels to play, you can basically put on the moveset that's just, I want it to feel like Hollow Knight again.

And I'll be real, that's the one that I've been using.

So I think that's good to know because I think a lot of people have seen posts and stuff that are like,

oh my God, this part of the the platforming is just impossible.

Like, it's so hard.

Why is the game like this?

And I think it's important to know that you can approach that part of the game in a variety of different ways and figure out what you like and what you don't like.

And yeah, you do have to go through the process of unlocking them.

They're not available to you immediately, but they do exist,

you know?

Yeah, I've seen a lot of videos of people being like, here's how at the beginning of the game, this is the exact path you need to take in order to get the Hollow Knight set up.

So, if you're pissed off and you don't want to have to deal with this, follow these steps, you'll get the Hollow Knight stuff, and then you can play.

And I think that's fine and fun, but yeah, watching a lot of people just

not struggle, more like give up, you know what I mean?

Like, they completely have said, it's too hard, don't like this, this is too hard, which is

a crazy thing in the world of Elden Ring and Sekiro.

Like,

it's I I almost feel like, did you not play the first one?

I would say that, and I think they're adjusting this, but I think it is true that Hollow Knight did a better job of gradually introducing difficulty.

I think this game kind of throws you into,

I'm going to do two pips of damage every time I touch you sort of fights really quickly.

And it's easy to get frustrated for sure.

But also,

I think one of the, I guess, sort of side effects of having a beautiful hand-drawn game with adorable characters in it,

a game series that people love, is that people that maybe don't necessarily like this type of game

really want to play it.

Yeah, because they're like, oh my gosh, people love Hollow Knight.

This game looks gorgeous and everyone's so excited to play it.

I'm going to try it.

It's only 20 bucks, right?

And then they play it and they're like, what the fuck is this?

I mean, it does have the hype behind it, but also Elden Ring had the hype behind it.

Yeah.

And people jumped in and I think Elden Ring

looks like a game that's going to beat your ass.

It does have that world vibe of like, you've stepped in the wrong place.

I guess you're right.

Yeah.

And this has more of a cutesy.

I would say the number one culprit of people not liking the game.

I'm going to, you know what?

I'm going to make this crazy statement, but I I know it's true.

I have no evidence, but I know it's true.

That little tiny ding, ding, ding bug,

the singing bug, there's so many memes and clips and videos on the internet.

I know.

But people see that and they're like, it's such a cute game.

And then they go to play it and they're like, why?

I am convinced that's part of it.

That is absolutely part of the re, I have no evidence, but I'm convinced a lot of the people saying they hate the game are the people who downloaded the game because that little cutie bug.

And they're like, I just want to spend time with my cutie bug and they thought it was gonna be a cute fun adventure false false

it certainly is cute sometimes

no it's not no it's not you think back to hollow night the last time we had a cutie pie that ended up terribly

you know what something cool though

Again, I will try to keep this as spoiler-free as possible, but just as like a side note that I think is really interesting, and maybe I talked about this last time, but

something that I think is fascinating about Silk Song is

I will be playing it.

Something will happen in my game, and a bunch of people in my chat will say, that didn't happen in mine.

I'll go into a fight, and an NPC that I met will show up and help in the fight.

And a bunch of people will go, they didn't show up in my fight.

And I was talking with Summer

and Summer was like, a bunch of stuff happened in my game that is not happening in yours.

And I'm like, how much stuff like that is in this game?

Because it seems like a significant, I'm only in act one.

It seems like there are a significant number of things that they built into the game that are

order of operations based, right?

Like,

did you do this and then this and then this?

Then this will happen.

Did you do this and then this?

Then this will happen.

Which I find so interesting.

And I'm really curious how that develops.

If that continues to be the case as the game gets more complex and as you've met more people and done more things.

But also,

I've said this before as well.

I'm really excited when I'm done with the game in a million years, you know, to go online and figure out what I did to make those things happen because I don't know.

And I don't want to look it up because I don't want to spoil myself on stuff.

So

yeah, I'm really curious about that stuff.

Has anyone?

This is probably, I'm going to keep this as

don't spoil for me, chat.

Has anyone beaten the game?

Because I haven't heard any online conversation about the ending or people talking about the game and how it ends.

I just, I see that nowhere, which is good, which is great.

But like, I don't see anyone talking about it and like, uh, y'all, guys, I beat it.

Check out this clip of the end, the final boss, or whatever.

I don't see any of that.

No, I think, I think a lot of people that are playing this game have been pretty good about

not spoiling stuff.

That being said, some of the earlier fights, people were just posting whole ass clips of themselves doing fights.

And I was like, stop.

Stop that.

At least tag it.

Like, come on, man.

I will say, I am very excited for the next speed run.

Because you know.

Yeah, dude.

You know, Games Unquick is going to have like a 50-minute version of this.

I'm going to be like, let's go.

Yeah,

it's going to be crazy.

I'm really curious what the record's going to be for a speedrun on this game.

You know, it's going to be fast.

It's going to be something you didn't even think of.

Right.

Where it's going to, they're going to speedrun it in a way that makes you sick that you spent 40 hours playing and they'd be like, I did it in an hour.

I'm good.

Somebody just said the speedrun record right now is one hour, 17 minutes.

That's hilarious.

What do you mean?

That's so.

I'm sure The record is under 90 minutes.

I promise you, the minute you figure out the boss mechanics and then you figure out a map and then you figure out a way to break that map.

Yeah.

It's by the way, Shem's plug.

If you're curious how speedruns work, this Monday on a brand new tell-me-about, I have three of the biggest speedrunners in the world coming on.

Oh, my gosh.

Yup.

Yup.

Yup.

So

we talk about speedrunning, so you you can learn all about it.

But

yeah, definitely one of those things where I'm always impressed that because there's a process.

It's like play it, play it faster, play even faster, get perfect on like where you can just do the bosses and then figure out a way to break the game.

It's that way every time.

Like, okay, how do we like we have

it takes us 20 hours now.

Well, okay, and that's 20 hours of perfect play.

So how do we break it every time and it's crazy how they figure it out there's websites devoted to like art if you keep walking at this wall on the third frame of this and there's like and then you can break through and you're like

what

yeah

every time

you know stuff's crazy but impressive

it's a good game very fun So I've heard.

It's on my list of things that I downloaded for PlayStation, and it's just kind of sitting on my PlayStation at home because I'm like, I'll get to it.

I'll get to it.

Yeah.

But

yeah, I just

busy boy.

Of course.

Busy.

Yeah.

I think that's it for me for the most part.

That's those are the major things that I played.

What about you?

Well,

I didn't really get a chance to play anything this week I can talk about.

I will say I did a thing for a certain tactical game that finally is coming out, but that may just be a fantasy.

I don't know.

And then, uh, yeah, I downloaded quartet, which I really want to play.

I kickstarted the game a while back, but basically, it's like an old-school JRPG-style game that if you look at the reviews online, people are saying it is as good as like Expedition 33 levels of storytelling.

Damn, so I am

really excited to play it.

It reminds me of Final Fantasy VI.

I very much want to, but I haven't had a chance.

Instead, I spend all week,

like,

those who don't understand what sometimes my job is.

This is an example.

Sometimes, you know, if I'm not doing podcasts or editing or reviewing edits or doing whatever, I sometimes have to do insane things.

So as an example, some of my producer duties is time to time, I have to go out into the world of pirating and figure out like what's out there and if any of our games are being pirated.

Not to like

flag stuff,

but to be like, okay,

what about this got pirated?

Why did they want to pirate this?

What was the deal here?

You know, just looking up information so that in the future we can kind of like get you to buy the game rather than want you to pirate it.

Because on a lot of those things, there's forums and they'll be like, oh, hey, this game's out.

And then you can see what people have,

you know, said said about the game and so i i will go from time to time and just look at pirating forms and whatnot uh

and that's what i did this week a bunch and side tangent complete side tangent when you go to look and see what people are pirating you would think it would be what's popular right now

it is almost always porn games It falls under the category of clearly too embarrassed to have this on your friends list on Steam for people to see you play.

But it is, they're not good.

I look at them and I'm like, this is barely a game.

You could just go on the internet and Google this.

Like, what are you doing?

But it is so clearly just, that's what it is.

That's what people are into.

And you know what I'm all?

No, no, please go on.

All I was going to say is, you know what I found out is you can hide games from your feed to like on

Steam.

I didn't realize this.

I'm not playing.

I'm not playing anything.

I was trying to figure out.

I never realized that this was a thing.

But if you don't want somebody to go to your profile and see like all of your achievos in Big Knockers 18, you can like hide it.

I want everyone to see my Big Knockers 18 achievements because I know you do, but not everybody does.

Not everybody wants to do it.

I put in time

for those exactly 10 minutes

for those achievements.

Yeah,

it's it's a

it's weird, but I also completely get it.

But it's very and and that's you know that's an example why like monster problem is an example because it has endings that are like it's the orgy ending even though no orgy takes place and it's just a goofy photo yeah because it has like those keywords and things in it it will often end up on sites and i most of the time thankfully the people who respond to the the post of that are like this isn't even a rot this is even porn Down vote.

I'm like, thanks, fellas.

You're doing the Lord's work.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

it's interesting.

You would think it would be like the major top-selling games, but

it is not.

It's a lot of games that when you see them on Steam, you say to yourself,

What?

This looks terrible.

Yeah.

They are very popular to be pirated.

And so, yeah, I did a lot of that.

And then I spent some time doing a lot of filming for the other show we have, Too Old for This, which I genuinely now have,

you know, speaking of weird,

um,

for a while, people were giving me requests that were like, uh,

yeah, like, I reacted to this past week, I reacted to like a Jojo's bizarre adventure song, okay, which was

fun.

I loved that, but I was like, the song, and not the show, just the song.

So, yeah, all right.

And then I discovered this rabbit hole of crazy internet people who think laboo boos are evil, which is is.

I did see your thumbnail for that one.

Yeah.

Just truly great.

But finally, we're back on to some things where I spent a lot of time this week reacting to Italian brain rot, which by the way, I actually enjoy.

It is ridiculous.

What does that mean?

Never mind.

I'll just watch your video.

Hell yeah.

And then...

A lot of people said, Jesse, you should react to the amazing digital circus, which I had no idea what it was.

Yes.

But now I do, and I'm like, that's that's pretty good so uh that's coming and then finally uh i did again this is why a lot of my week was not streaming i had a full react to uh k-pop demon hunters which is an actual movie

so yeah

that's that's where i'm at mentally and spiritually where i didn't get a chance to actually play anything because you were too busy being a react channel Honest to God, didn't think that the whole point was I wouldn't have to spend time doing it.

It would take like five minutes.

I could pound out like trash videos, and here we are, like, we gotta edit this, dude.

It's gotta be, I'm like,

what are we doing?

Uh, yeah, and then I did a lot of work for outside things that NDA things, yeah, that might be coming soon, but um,

yeah, just again, oh, uh, the last thing I actually did play was with uh, your husband and co,

and uh, you know, Kriken was there, and Zeke was there.

We played the PvP mode for Warhammer 40k Space Marine 2, which there's a bunch of new PvP things, but one of them is very specifically Chaos.

So it's two Chaos teams going against each other, and you have to make like,

you know, one guy's a heavy, one guy's a sniper, one guy, like you have different abilities, each sort of faction, yes.

Sorry.

I was trying to make it fit in the

slot.

What's going on today?

Why is everything you're saying so dirty?

What happened to you?

It's like you became me for a minute.

I'm worried.

I'm worried about this.

Warhammer 40k Space Marine 2 PvP was too long.

We had to make it shorter.

And it fits too long.

It was too big and you couldn't fit it.

All right.

No, I get it.

It was too big.

No, trust me.

I understand.

Trust me.

Okay.

Trust me.

As long as we get it.

I understand about it being too big to fit in the slot.

Trust me.

Yep.

Why do you keep turning your glasses upside down?

Trust me.

I understand.

I understand.

Anyway, keep talking about marining and space and stuff.

So

it's, yeah, so basically, there are,

it's a, it's a weird system.

So for people who are saying, man, 40k PvP, I really want to jump into that.

It's fun, but in order to jump into it, you must have already played, I think,

the opening of Space Marine 2.

Okay.

So you can't just go to the menu and say, I want to do PvP.

You do PvP from on board the warship.

And that's how you get in.

So you have to be already in it.

I think you have to do the opening scene, which is awesome.

So just go do that.

It doesn't take that long.

But like, yeah, if you wanted to play PvP or PvE or any of the modes they have, you literally have to do it from in the game.

Anyway, much like how if you do stuff online, you can get sort of like custom builds for your character and make them look how you want.

This PvP mode that we played is essentially you're all chaos marines and there's all the different versions of chaos marines and all the different factions and whatever.

But for the most part, build-wise, there is one where you are like a normal guy with the different guns and a sword.

There's one where you can launch yourself at the enemy like a like a, I don't even know, Spider-Man.

You go like, yo, and you fly across the screen and then you can attack him.

There's one where it's just a sniper.

There's one that Sam played constantly and very well because I think he had like a different weapon.

I think as you level up, you get different weapons and things.

He had a giant hammer, which none of the rest of us could get.

And we were very jealous.

So his whole build was he would fly into the air and then land on you and kill you.

It was great.

There was one, the guy that a shield, but the best one that I played, that the only one that I could do good with was there, you were just basically like every,

you know,

player versus player game that exists right now.

The big, heavy dude who has the giant machine gun that moves slow, but then he can throw down his shield.

You're basically bastion in an Overwatch.

Love that guy.

You could just like mess with dudes.

But the whole point of the PvP mode was that there was a chaos brute or whatever the hell we're going to call this guy in the middle of

the like

whoever got a point would get the brute.

And then the whole objective was to keep getting points.

So you attack a point, and you get points for that.

Or if you killed the brute, you got two points for that.

It was the first one to nine.

And admittedly, like all of those style of games, one guy can make the difference.

And there was a few of the teams we played against had the one guy who would just stomp us.

But with that said, I had a ton of fun being chaos.

I'm so glad we got to be chaos and not like normal Space Marines because half our team had like stuff hanging off of them.

I made a full set of gold armor.

Yeah, you can do like ridiculous things.

I enjoyed that tremendously.

And then playing with the guys and us just like trying new stuff and trying to do things, big time fun.

I loved it.

Definitely like a, you know, a different vibe, but you're still in Space Marine 2, which again.

While we were talking about it, I was like, you don't even need, you don't even need to play the PvP.

Just Space Marine 2 alone as a standalone story game rocks so like play that and i still stand by that the space marine series super fun curious where they go with it but yeah so they added the pvp thing now you can do that and i played that was the last thing i actually played before i went on my like gotta work right gotta react to kid stuff

Gotta look at piracy sites.

Yeah, that's it.

And now, yeah, now this weekend, I gotta follow in your footsteps and FMV it up.

Very excited.

Oh, my gosh.

Will you message me before

you play the Empress game, please?

Thank you.

Oh, yeah.

I might be asleep, but it's round I want to watch.

Okay.

The only other thing that I could possibly say for me is

Sam went to a Magic the Gathering event that was promoting the new Spider-Man cards.

Love that.

And

grabbed me some booster packs and a starter deck.

So I got a Venom starter deck, which is very cool.

The cards look awesome.

They're so funny.

Like, the difference between the Spider-Man cards and the Final Fantasy cards is so funny because the Spider-Man cards are literally just like J.

Jonah Jameson being like,

or like a coffee or a pizza.

This is so goofy.

Yeah.

It looks ridiculous.

Big fan.

Yeah.

All of the different lands are just like the normal land card, except with

the symbol for like the planes or whatever in webs.

It's cute.

I don't know.

It's fun.

It's really cute.

Some of the cards, I was like, oh, really nice.

I must stress, for people who are curious,

what's going on?

What's going on with magic?

Magic the Gathering is literally Kingdom Hearts now.

Yeah.

You must understand.

There will at some point be a person who shows up to a Magic the Gathering event and be like, yeah, this is my

Spider-Man, Sephiroth, Spongebob deck.

And you'll be like, Kingdom Hearts.

Okay, yeah, I get what we're doing.

It's great.

Yep.

I remember talking with Amy, friend of the show, Amazonian, when the Sonic cards were coming out.

And Amy was like, yeah, Shadow is going to be like an actual commander that people really want for their commander decks.

Yeah.

I was like, I love that.

I love the idea of showing up to a tournament and somebody brings out their shadow commander deck.

The funniest thing is, I don't know anything about the shadow card, but I imagine shadow plus gun is a thing so if there was a shadow gun so if there's a shadow gun deck where your deck is just a bunch of weapons like a shadow weapons deck that would be incredible you just play shadow and then like a bunch of random weapons debbie i'd be like this is the best thing i've ever seen my entire life you just keep putting equipment on him it'd be perfect

i love that Yeah, I love, I love seeing what they're doing with magic.

But also, speaking of Amy.

Yes.

posted, I don't know, like a week ago, hey, what MMO should I get into with people?

And everyone was like, play 14.

And then it was like, well, I don't know.

Can you start a bunch of questions?

And I responded like, I got you.

Here's the thing.

And after I responded, I realized, what if I just make a video where I say, oh, do you want to play 14?

Here's what you need to do to play with friends or how to learn to play.

Just like babies first,

you're going to play this MMO that takes a hot sec to get into.

But then I had, I was like, that could be super fun because it's just like, hey, I'm going to teach you what to do and make it very simple.

But I also realized that right now, I'm not even sure I want to make that video because I know for sure that when I post it online, half the comments are going to be from like the saltiest MFers who ever lived.

They're like, this game's stupid and dumb and you suck.

Sell out trying to get people to play the game.

How dare you?

This game is trash now.

You got it.

Like, you can't believe you sold out and i've got to say that to you anyway so who can't i understand i just don't want to make a thing that's for new players and then when new players go there all the comments be like garbage yeah fuck this this sucks like that sucks that's not that's not fun and it's only because

That's what I'm saying.

Amy did play and had a good time.

Like you could do a whole thing.

Yeah, I don't know.

I just am so, I'm like so over it.

But guys,

you make wanting to have fun so much more harder than it then is.

You make it so hard to have fun.

I just want to have fun.

And I just want to like, oh, yeah, some friends were saying they wanted to play.

And now I'm going to, now I'm going to show them how to play.

And I know it's going to be like, I'm not involved in this at all, but this is trash.

And you sold out.

And you're the like, just genuine, like,

what is, what is your day like?

Like, do you need a hug?

What's going on over there?

That's how i feel so i honestly i started started to write a script and was like

maybe i'll wait like that sucks that sucks i hate that feeling but it's like yeah maybe i'll wait some people aren't in a good place right now

yeah

well shall we move on to news you want to talk about

yeah so uh hey Early this morning, we had the longest Nintendo Direct ever.

And we got to look at it.

It really was.

They even broadcast it as such.

It was a full hour, I believe, which is much longer than they usually are.

And we got to see a bunch of stuff.

The best part, to be honest for me, is the very beginning, they had a sort of 40th anniversary celebration of Mario, which is tomorrow.

In Japan, Mario came out September 13th, so 40 years of Mario, which is

jarring.

And at the beginning of the stream, they had a bunch of old artwork and stuff that I guess is at the Mario or the Nintendo Museum that you can go to.

It was so cute.

Looking at old Mario before he became Mario is like,

look at that little guy.

That's a steal.

Very cute.

It almost made me want to go to the museum.

And they hyped up the museum a bunch.

And they said there's going to be a light show and a bunch of other things that are going to be there.

We then learned immediately that the next Mario movie is coming and it's called Mario Galaxy, of course.

Of course.

And all the cast is returning.

Then we got a slew of Mario games.

Back to back to back to back.

We had Mario Galaxy 1 and 2, Mario Tennis Fever.

Wonder is going to switch.

Yoshi in the Mysterious Book, which looked very cute.

The literal premise is Yoshi sees a book, and you can go inside the book, and the book talks.

His name's Mr.

E because he's encyclopedia.

Anyway, very cute.

Stop it.

Yep.

Yep.

Love that.

Then we got a few Switch titles, including Storm Lancers, which is a 2D anime-inspired side-scrolling beat-em-up.

Then we got Dink'em, which is a survival sim set in the Australian outback that looks kind of like a cross between Minecraft and Animal Crossing.

The demo's out right now.

It looks like a game that you would play.

Yeah, you can also play it on Steam.

Yeah, it looked like a Dodger game 100%.

It is.

Yeah.

Then there's a game called Poopa Com.

I think that's what it's called.

Okay.

A co-op platformer color-based shooter.

So basically you can have four people everyone can be a different color and then you shoot different colored things on the screen and that's how you beat levels and so i imagine if you're playing with less than four you can switch between the colors and do it looked very cute looked very fun to play with others and then tomodachi life living the dream finally getting a release date planned for next year very cute me character island game that looks extremely goofy and very fun yeah they kind of went through and said hey we have a bunch of casual games for people who just want to chill with their Switch, which is all right with me.

Then Mortal Kombat Legacy Collection is coming to Switch 2, along with Final Fantasy VII Remake Integrade.

Then we got an official release date for Hades.

Hades 2 coming September 25th.

And then Linked Banner of the Spark, which is a roguelike battler slash town builder slash crafting game is coming as well.

Then they announced some new amiibos from Kirby's Air Riders that are going to show up.

And then immediately dropped.

The only game I care about.

Sorry, Hades 2.

Hyrule Warriors coming November 6th.

Hell yeah.

I am so hype.

And then back to back to back.

They're also getting One Piece Warriors game.

And

Dynasty Warriors Origins is coming to Switch 2 as well.

Then they dropped...

A game that I'm not sure I understand that I'm going to have to research, but based on the information, Dragon Quest VII Reimagined, which is a remake,

but

twisted in a way that I don't understand.

I don't know what the reimagined really means at all.

Don't have a clue.

But

very curious.

It looks gorgeous.

It's Dragon Quest, so I don't exactly know what that means, but I'm very, very curious.

Yeah, it could be like

Final Fantasy VII Remake where it's like, it's the same game, but is it?

So I don't know.

We'll find out.

Then announced that I'm very excited for, even though it it comes out in February next year, Fatal Frame 2 getting a remake for Switch 2.

I'm going to make the boys in this off.

We're playing that.

It's going to be a scary game squad.

It's happening.

Yeah.

That I've wanted to play.

We played Fatal Frame 1, and I've wanted to play Fatal Frame 2 with them for years, and we just couldn't get it to work.

And now they're remaking it.

And so here we are, big time fan.

Then they dropped a bunch of us, a bunch of games on us immediately.

We got Overcook 2, Stardew Valley for Switch 2 human fall flat for switch 2 power wash sim 2 for switch 2 the sweek a game is coming uh we even got metroid prime 4 beyond coming to switch 2 in december donkey kong bonanza dlc which actually seems interesting because they they're including a mode called emerald rush which is basically a roguelite where you collect emeralds get perks and then you use those perks to fight your way through it so it's kind of like hades okay

which i was like like, oh, that's interesting.

Then

a Minecraft game, I don't think anyone saw coming, but I feel like we should have because it's their sort of answer to Palette World, which is you play as a ditto

who transforms into a person and then uses the Pokémon skills of other Pokémon to Minecraft and build a world.

And it's

amazing.

Yes, it looks cute.

I ought to play that.

Yeah, it's Pokemon Poke Pacopia.

And it looks so cute.

But yeah, you're just a person with a Ditto face, and then you get other Pokemon to come live with you, and then they build the islands.

You can build them homes, you can terraform the world.

Yeah, it looked very, very cute.

For those wondering, what did chat think of it?

Everyone in chat was like, boring.

And I was like,

oh, give me that game.

It looks very cute.

It looks fun.

Yeah.

So

I don't tend to figure out or even understand what goes on in chat these days.

But yeah, every game, every game, no matter what it was, chat during the stream was exploding with like, two out of 10, this is trash.

I was like,

cool, dudes.

Then we got more footage of Pokemon CA, which comes out in October.

And then they announced a DLC for that, a paid DLC called Mega Dimension, which is Raichu-based.

And there's two versions of Mega Raichu.

I don't know.

Then a new kind of ish dunk and rampa game it's dung rampa 2 but it's called 2x2

and there's a bonus story in it oh so it's like an extra additional story is added to it then monster hunter stories 3 is coming

and then they dropped a crazy bomb which is not only is

resident evil 9 coming to switch 2 So are 7, so are 8, and then 2, 3, and 4 as well.

So basically all the new switches or all the new Resident Evils are coming to Switch 2.

Right.

Then we got a Fire Emblem game called Fortune's Weave, which appears to be like Coliseum-based,

like some sort of fighting tournament-based story.

And then,

yeah, I guess that was kind of it for the live stream.

But that's not it for Nintendo News because Nintendo.

Hey, everyone.

Hey, buddy.

They claimed the patent for the literal concept of summoning creatures and making them fight for you, which is ridiculous.

I watched lawyers this week be like, that shouldn't even be allowed.

Yeah, I was going to say.

People are like, I don't know how this happened.

I love pretending like they didn't iterate on anything in order to make Pokemon.

Yeah, for the full-on description of what the patent describes this.

A situation where a console or system is being used to run a video game from storage.

The player controls a character in a virtual space.

The player can perform an input command to make a sub-character appear, i.e.

summon another character.

If there's an enemy where the sub-character appears, the player can control a battle between the sub-character and the enemy.

If there's no enemy where the sub-character appears, the sub-character will automatically move around.

The player can move the sub-character to a different location on the field.

And if an enemy is there, they can control a battle between the sub-character and the enemy.

So, like

based on that alone it's so vague that so vague that that includes battle system battlers magic the gathering is literally entirely a summoning game like what are we what are we doing i'm thinking about the bonus game they added to world of warcraft which is literally just a little dumb pet battler is that now illegal like what's the deal there It is very, very,

yeah, it's sort of like if you have a pet in your game or a character has a pet and you use that pet, yeah, even Hunter and WoW.

If you use a pet,

what happens?

Yeah.

So I don't know.

It seems a little too vague because it literally just says in a virtual space where you summon a sub-character, not even a pet, a sub-character.

So that could be

if they, again,

any patents are

the company must enforce them.

So, this isn't like it's illegal.

You can't do that.

It's like if they want to come for you, they can.

Which is still the same thing.

Yeah, the question is, are they?

And who are they going to go after?

Or is this a thing that exists they can go after PAL World specifically?

Probably.

I don't know.

It's so vague that it's literally like, I don't know why they're allowed to do that at all, though.

That seems very we've said this before.

We've said this again.

No matter how you feel about Nintendo, Nintendo of of Japan don't give a shit about you.

They literally have the worst intentions in mind.

Every time there's an article where it's like, why did Nintendo do this?

It's because Nintendo Japan just be like, we don't care.

It's that way constantly, which is weird because Nintendo of America and everyone here are sweethearts, absolute sweethearts.

You're just like, Nintendo Japan's like, we enforce our shit, which I get it.

It's a massive company and it's huge.

And it's like one of the mainstays of like that economy, but

it is weird that they are so mean with that.

And yes, it's a U.S.

patent.

It's a patent here in the U.S.

But it's one of those things where,

yeah, does that, is that enforceable overseas for different things?

Right.

I don't know.

And the reason why you don't see this other places is, again, because everyone was like, this shouldn't be,

this shouldn't be.

this should

be

i think it says a lot about the state of the us right now where it's like yeah no well yeah it's a patent like oh okay

crazy anyway moving on speaking of uh let's let you know let's start with some good news yeah before we get to the news that sounds terrible machine games recently just released the new indian jones dlc which is very fun like that a lot They announced that we're getting more Wolfenstein, or potentially could be.

And they said, hey, the series isn't finished.

And we want to

come in with something good for you guys.

And I trust them because hopefully they learned their lesson after the last Wolfenstein game, which was

not great.

Not because the game was bad or the characters are bad, because the mechanics of what the game was sucked, which was we're doing daily quests in a single-player game.

And there's like online stuff.

They just, it was part of that movement where everyone was trying to make everything online and it wasn't good.

and you don't know why they did it when the first like two hours of the game wasn't online

Anyway, speaking of online Ubisoft confirms that Far Cry will no longer be the game you want to play.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I meant Ubisoft confirmed this week they want to make more multiplayer Aspects in these games for the future.

So basically they want Far Cry to be more of a multiplayer game in the future with more multiplayer online features, which is

just the most Ubisoft shit I've ever heard in my entire life.

I just don't understand why they do this.

Ubisoft just cannot help itself from making the most ridiculous choices.

So here's another one.

Don't understand that.

Never will.

But

yep, that's the news.

Oh, goodness.

Thank you, Jesse.

My pleasure.

Thank you.

Do you want to tell everybody what you're up to this week?

Well, this week.

Again, this weekend, I'm going to try and play some FMV games.

But more importantly, tomorrow at noon, I'm part of a

charity, a charity stream for Final Fantasy XIV where a bunch of people are playing PvP.

And yeah, I'm not good at PvP.

So don't expect greatness from me, but I'm doing it for charity.

It's going to be fun.

And there's all sorts of prizes and stuff.

So tune in for that tomorrow at noon pacific time should be a treat um i have no idea how long it'll go probably as long as it needs to then

monday again is a brand new episode of tell me about featuring speedrunning hopefully you'll tune in for that and then uh tuesday you should get your italian brain rot

which

can't wait ready Yep.

You might actually really like it.

You might really like it.

And then Thursday is probably going going to be the episode on Amazing Digital Circus.

Thursday's episode.

And then they'll be on the stream.

I was going to wait, but okay, I'll announce it.

So we already did.

We're doing Convergence.

Dodger and I are hosting on Thursday a nice indie game show.

So if you want to tune in and watch us find out about all the new indie games that are coming out, we would love it if you did so.

Yeah.

It's at 7.30 BST.

What time will it be for you?

Whatever time that is.

Hold on.

I can look it up.

You know.

7.30 minus 8.

11?

11.30.

Yeah, 11 a.m.

Yeah, so that should be fun.

Jesse and I are going to host it.

We've got a lot of good guests.

There's going to be trailers and gameplay and

it'll be great.

Yep.

It's going to be a ton of fun.

And yeah, a lot of special guests from From podcasts that are, I'm going to say,

not as good as this one.

They're all right.

They're all right.

They're fine.

Yeah.

But if you're like bored on a Sunday, I guess you could watch them or whatever.

I don't know.

Yeah.

That's

this coming Thursday for those of you who are asking, which is the 18th.

It's going to be a ton of fun.

And yeah, I can't wait to nerd out with Dukes.

We'll get to see some cool stuff.

Yeah.

I'm so sorry.

is that all of your announcements?

Yeah, that's it.

Um, I'm still playing Silk Song.

Uh, I finished off, dude.

I have to keep playing Road to Empress.

That game is so wild.

I, I have to reach an ending at least.

I'm so excited.

It's been so silly.

It's very, very fun.

After that, I'm not really sure what we'll play.

But again, we've got this cool thing going on on Thursday.

So we'll see.

I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna string my little pants off.

So

coming up.

No, Tuesday night.

Yes.

You and I are gonna play

a game as well.

Yes.

Tuesday night.

We're playing.

Oh my gosh.

What is it called?

Astronomo.

Astronomo.

That is it.

You were about to say it, and then you gave up on it.

I know.

You're like, I can't.

I can't.

We have a brand deal together playing Astronomo.

So that'll be fun.

So tune in for that as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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do whatever we're gonna do for the rest of the day You're welcome.

That was a really eloquent way to put that.

hey gang.

We'll see you next time.

Have an amazing weekend and we'll see you next Friday.

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