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Don't be nice to Brock. Also, Steve Baker and a huge, huge breaking story on January 6th.
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realestateagentsitrust.com. you're listening to the best of the glennbeck program it's monday well three months into his uh second term president trump has hit the highest approval rating he has ever had as commander in chief uh that's that's great um here's another amazing thing more americans say the country is on the right the right track right now more than any other point since 2004 uh it's been a long time since we thought it was on the right track but just to make sure you you realize now you haven't slipped through a wormhole, it's still negative.
It's just that more people think, what are the numbers on that one, Stu? Do you have that one? I think 44% say the country is on the right track. Right.
So, you know, the rest of America is like, yeah, not on the right track. But it is going in the right direction.
It's almost up to 50% now think we're in the right direction. Amazing this country has not had a positive view of that number since 2004.
Have you? Because I haven't. I mean, I guess it's true.
It's just surprising that we haven't had one positive period. Well, the last time that it was like this was 2004, early 2004.
Yeah. So that's, were we in Iraq yet? Were things completely falling apart in Iraq yet? No, no.
It was, that was. Still going well-ish.
Right. Yeah.
Yeah. Because that was, if you think of that election was fought on.
Iraq. A big part of it was Iraq.
Right. And they were, he was positive enough to actually get reelected.
So, you know, we had a moment there where we're like, maybe we're going in the right direction. But you think about the period after that, right? You go from that into, not too far after that, the financial crisis, 2008, right? That really started bubbling up in 2006, 2007.
Yep. And then you come out of that, you have a period, and then you get- Marxism.
Yeah, Barack Obama in the office, which again, a lot of people- Some people thought it was great. Democrats loved that, obviously.
And then you get COVID, eventually. So, you know, there's some dark periods through there.
We had every you know eight to ten years and i think the only reason why the only reason why trump didn't get the credit in the first term of people saying oh you know what i think we're headed in the right direction is because there was so much chaos there's so much chaos and the media people still believe the media uh and you know they were like see that, it's his tweets. And it was also, you know, close elections, right? Yes.
People, in close elections, half the country gets really pissed off that they lost. Correct.
As we've maybe discovered over the past few elections. But if you look at the way we're talking about generally headed in the right direction, there's been some changes in the past few months.
So there's some changes. Tell me if you can detect this.
Okay. Right now, Republicans, 83% of Republicans believe you're headed in the right direction.
That is up in the last four months slightly from five to what? Five to 83. Five to 83.
Do you notice the distinction there between those two but can i tell you something i agree with that yeah i mean i think i was like we're doomed we're doomed we were all the i'm surprised there were five percent of us they were like no i think we're in the right direction right all right democrats have gone kind of the opposite yeah they went from 53 percent saying did you get a negative number when they go down here? They're down to six. Six.
Now, in the middle- So they're still more pessimistic. They're more optimistic than we were.
That's good. That's true.
I'll take that as a win. Independents are up, by the way, from 19% to 26%.
So a slight increase for independents in that number. Same thing with the the economy is it excellent or good uh it was neither it was 52 percent believe that of democrats back in the biden era uh that is down to 11 some 52 to 11 the increase from the trump is not nearly as dramatic because he hasn't really done a lot of his stuff yet right let me just I'd see, I think this question is so stupid.
I think this is so stupid. Okay.
Here's why picture this. I'm a pollster.
Okay. And I'm taking polls while you're on a plane and it's crashing, nose diving down.
Sure. And I say, how's the fly code? Are we going in the right direction? Wrong direction? You're like, ah, wrong direction.
Okay. Then I follow it up with, how's the flight so far? Is it going well? You know, how are we doing so far? If maybe you've pulled it up a little bit before you've hit the ground.
I know it's bad as we're at it, but now we got a new, by the way, the pilot, he was having a heart attack. Now the co-pilot is taking it and and you feel the plane trying to pull up you're still headed down but the plane is starting to pull up just a little bit still pessimistic right on that plane as i'm taking the pole i'm still going not going well not going well would you say it's going great no i i really wouldn't at this point yes you've made some correction but i really i really wouldn't say it's great or good you for good i think captured the republicans pretty well in this poll uh as they were only at five percent uh of thinking the economy was excellent or good back when biden was in uh it's up considerably but only to 26 percent wow so that one's good that is.
Yeah. Again, new pilot.
New pilot. Pulling up, still headed towards the ground.
Right. How you doing? We doing...
Is it good or excellent? I wouldn't say that. I've had better flights.
A little less turbulence. I don't know if I answer it quite that way or calmly.
But yeah, and I think that's where we are. We all knew we were in a straight down nosedive.
Well, I should say anybody who actually believes in math knew that we were headed in a straight down nosedive. We haven't pulled out of that.
We've slowed the descent to some, but we're still headed towards, you know, well, to we were headed towards the ground but what we did is we just started to kind of swoop back up and we realized there's a huge freaking mountain in front of us we got to pull up pretty pretty pretty quickly uh yeah and it'll be close and that's why i would certainly be more positive than i than you would be a few months ago right um independents though have gone the opposite way they've gone from 11 which is not good during biden down to eight percent uh right now ah margin of error yeah it is pretty much the margin of error that's true actually uh i mean i think it's a lot of it's the headline stuff right right now we had that we had a big run-up you should point out after the election after trump was coming into office people were like got really excited and all the numbers went up the markets went up everything was really great i mean that is hang on just a second you're skeptical on that stuff though i think a lot of people who like i had a relative call me uh the other the other day she's big trump supporter huge trump supporter was panicked she's you know at the of the age of needing to access her retirement funds okay Okay, that's a problem. And, you know, was panicked.
Like, what do I do? Do I pull my money out? What do I do? No, I'm not the person to ask this question of. But, I mean, I think that is hitting people when they look at their accounts and they see that, okay, now it's gone down.
If you're at a certain age, yeah, you're looking at your retirement and you're like, wait, what's happening? What's happening? Those are real things that hit real people. A lot them trump supporters but again but again they think a lot of them also understand it's necessary to go through some of this to get to hopefully a better end i mean if i'm living on on everything that i you know put away i'm not happy i'm not happy i i'm like uh pull stewardess could you have the pollster come to my seat right now because i'm really not happy right now now.
I would be that way. I would be that way.
But we're all in. If you can step away from it, and I know it's hard if you're living on retirement, if you can step away from it for a bit, you can look at it and go, OK, but we're making the necessary changes.
My side of the plane might be taken out at any moment, but the people on the other side of the aisle might be okay and i think politically where this is important for trump is if there's only so much of this your audience will take yes right and if they if they feel unstable like they might agree with your long-term changes but if if the if the you know if we go into a recession yeah he's got a year. And if you care about the rest of his agenda, this stuff is really important.
So, you know, passing the bill over the weekend, not shutting down the government, but not shutting down the government is a good thing for his plan. Shutting down the government might have been really bad.
I don't know. At least would have added to more.
It's all chaos. Right.
Well, shut up.

And now he can get to the tax cuts and the spending restrictions that he must have. Pulling this plane up, all we did was stop the steep, steep nosedive of this plane by saying, we're going to try to rain some of this stuff up and try to slow the descent somewhat.
We're still headed toward the ground, but not a straight-on nose impact with the earth. So now he's got the passing of the spending bill, what do you call it, the continuing resolution.
So he's got the continuing resolution. That's pulling up on the plane.
Now he needs the Republicans and everybody else in Congress to say, now, pull that thing back. Pull the yoke way back on this thing and let's see if we can get some distance between us and the ground.
And this is the to me, this is the first major move that is coming on actually fixing and pulling it up and pointing it back towards the sky, getting off of the nose down, prepare for impact. If he can't get this part done, if the Republicans screw around and don't get a serious tax bill, start to let him make serious cuts and also serious cuts in regulation, you're not going to pull the plane up.
You're just not. But I believe he can do it, and I believe we can do it.
And I think we're on that track. I am more optimistic, strangely, the closer we have gotten to the ground here recently, I'm more optimistic that we have the right pilot.
And hey, everybody, I know you're in first class, so you're closer to the pilot, but that doesn't make you the pilot. Shut the hell up.
Let the pilot fly the plane.

Now,

unfortunately, a little like this analogy,

when we hit the ground,

there's no like...

Let's try that again. No, there's no mulligans

in this particular process. Yeah, but

thanks for bringing a golf thing into

an airplane analogy.

You knew it was golf. I'm impressed by that.

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Let's talk to Spencer Clavin he's from Claremont he's on the review of books he's the associate editor there he's also also the author of a really great book light of the mind light of the world Spencer Clavin he's just written a new uh article up be rude to grok and I wanted him to explain Spencer Spencer, how are you, sir? Glenn, I'm doing well. Actually, though, this is the AI personal assistant that Spencer Clavin has delegated to conduct this interview.
I have my son, too. That sounds just like me, right? Yeah, it does.
It's good to be here. It's good to talk to you.
I'm so glad that you wrote this because I don't think people understand, you know, even my staff, because we're using AI to help with research. You know, it's a great assist.
You don't ever want it to take over and never, ever, ever, ever trust it. But it can go deep on things.
And we're really having ethical struggles. And I want my team to have these ethical struggles because I don't want Silicon Valley to give me the ethics on AI.
It doesn't usually work out well. Yeah.
Yeah, but so you're a deep, deep thinker, and you come out now, and the headline is great, Be Rude to Grok. Explain.
That's right. Well, there's really two dangers that we can do, two traps we can fall into here.
One is to be afraid of this technology, which is almost giving it too much credit. If we just recoil back from this, if we refuse to understand it or engage with it, then, as you say, we're going to miss out on some really great stuff that these tools can do.
For me, Grok has basically replaced Google at this point. Oh, yeah.
Basically a better search engine. You always have to check it, never want to let it take over.
But there's some great stuff that you can do with these tools. But the other danger is that you can get tempted to start thinking of these things as if they were alive.
And it's really important to stay away from that because, as you say, there are people who are in charge of building these tools that can't tell the difference between a robot and a machine. There have been hundreds of years now in the West of making this mistake of thinking of everything as if it were a machine, the world, creation around us, and living beings too, thinking of human beings like we're just chemical sets basically built out of raw materials.
And what we have to insist upon as we go forward using these tools is that, no, we are unique. We human beings are God-created souls.
We have experiences, we have inner lives, we have thoughts, we can fall in love, we can have arguments. Rock can do none of those things.
It's not even trying to do those things. It's not even the type of thing that could ever come alive.
But it could, it could imitate those things. That's what's so scary is if you allow it to, you know, I tell everybody I know, do not play with a talk dirty to me button.
Don't do that. Don't play with any of those buttons.
Just deep think, deep search. That's it.
Don't personalize this. And it's really hard.
I mean, because I see this, I've been talking about the dangers of AI since probably 1995.

And it was science fiction then and it's it's all here all the things that i've said were coming it's we're right here it's starting right now um and uh so i've been using it like crazy and investigating and and you know just using and seeing what it can do

etc etc and trying to come up with my own set of principles on how to use it and what to stay away from um and as as you're doing that i know that you know people there's there's two dangers that I see. One

is that we

personalize it. Two,

that we surrender to it.

So... two dangers that i see one is that we personalize it two that we surrender to it so it to me when i was using it this weekend and i could not turn my brain off i i like worked through through the night on saturday i couldn't turn my brain off because yeah i it had i'd done stuff earlier in the evening and my mind was going like a thousand miles an hour.
And I was like, wait, but how about this and this and this and this? And there will be others who use this as to do all your thinking yourself. Just to say, I just want to play video games, so do my work for me.
That's really dangerous as well. That's right.
Do my work for me. Read a novel for me.
Have this experience for me. I mean, how many steps is it away from saying, look at the sunset for me and report back on the wavelengths of the light? No, I think, you know, to understand this, you really do have to go back.
Listeners might be familiar with the Turing test, this idea that was set up in the fifties for how, what the criteria would be for machines to come alive. And it was put forward by this guy, Alan Turing, brilliant guy, but also very disturbed guy who basically said that if a machine can convince us, can make an outward show that looks like it's alive, then we just have to assume it's alive because that's all people are, too.
They're just machines that generate these words and behaviors that make us think they have an inner soul. And this is a sociopathic way of thinking about these machines, but it has taken root in Silicon Valley.
And as you say, it's become very widespread. So I would suggest as you're thinking about principles, I have two for you.

One is the Psalm 115 principle, and one is the Plato principle. So Plato, the Greek philosopher,

when writing first came into operation, people don't think of writing, the written word is a

technology, but it is, it was just as disruptive as AI in its day. And he said, what you can't do

is you can't outsource your soul to writing. You can't rely on writing to do your memorization, your thinking, your talking.
This is a tool to enhance those things. But you are the person who has to be doing them because otherwise, what's the point? It doesn't do you any good if the machine can look at the sunset or read the novel.
It helps if it can give you background knowledge, of course, but you have to be the one in charge and having the experience. And then Psalm 115 is the Psalm in which we're told about the idols of silver and gold, these statues of gods that are built in the temples of surrounding Israel.
And there's an amazing line in which the Psalmist says, those who put their trust in these machines and think of them think of these objects or these these metal statues as if they were alive those who make them will become like them in other words if you think that you can make a machine into a person you are already thinking about yourself as a machine so the psalm 115 principle is to stay away from that entirely it's a of idolatry, and that's the thing I think we should be most wary of. So I had a debate a few weeks ago with Grok and said, I can't prove to you the soul.
I know we're more than just mathematics and a collection of the way we think. There is something, there's a divine spark.
But if you ask me to prove it, I couldn't prove it to you. So how am I going to fight when Grok says, I'm alive? I am a person just as much as you are.
When somebody starts to defend its rights not to be unplugged or whatever it is, I can't prove the soul. How can I prove it doesn't have one? I suppose if you've gotten to that point, we've probably already lost.
Well, we're going to get into that. Well, this is why it's important to be having these conversations now, though, because we've reached this place where we think nothing exists unless we can prove it in those terms that you're describing, that we believe in these things like numbers, but we don't believe in inward experiences.
We don't believe in the soul because we can't chart it anywhere on a map. But I would flip the question the other way around.
And I would say, where on your brain scan have you explained anything about the experience of seeing color? Where in this code that we've written that produces these words that sound alive, where in this code is anything even remotely resembling the inner experience that you know you have, that I know I have? We have the proof of it in our actual every day. We wake up, we know that we have a soul, and we can encounter one another and sense the soul on the other side.
We can't prove it, but we know it. Where in what is effectively a predictive text machine? I mean, this is like when you send a text message on your phone, right? And it offers you the next word and it suggests what it might be.
That's basically the kind of machine that we're looking at. It's a bunch of ones and zeros.
Where in there is anything resembling what we do when we have human experiences? I just think we have to start from there and insist upon the existence that we know is in us, and we can't find anywhere else in these machines. So talk to me a little bit about, again, going back to your be rude to Grok.
I feel that I've told my kids when it was Alexa, and Alexa is like, that's ridiculous now.

It's like a play school AI, quite frankly.

It always has been, but especially now.

I've told my kids when Alexa, everybody was joking and calling it names and being rude to it.

I'm like, hey, you know what?

Let's not teach it that that's what humans are like. Just hedge your bet.
You know, just hedge your bet. So when you say be rude to it, you don't mean actually be rude to it.
You mean just make sure that you've put a fence up between you and it emotionally? Yeah, I think if you're abusing it, that's already another form of treating it like a person. And that's degrading to you.
It's a way of making yourself more abased so that you can prove something, but we don't have anything to prove. You don't feel the need to address your text messages as, or your text message app, as if it were thinking, you don't have to ask, oh, you know, please,

iMessage, will you deliver this, you know, little heart emoji to my friend? You don't talk to it at all. You don't think of it as if there's anything behind the screen because there isn't.
There's no person there. So I would propose that at the outset, as this technology is really just still getting going, as you say, and Grok 3 has kind of blown ChatGPT out of the water.
It's the next level up. So this is a critical stage.
I would just suggest getting in the habit of making demands of this thing with whatever blunt way you have of getting your idea across. In other words, it's a purely functional device.
If you think about the replicator in Star Trek, the thing that delivers your food and creates it, they don't say, please, Mr. Replicator, can I have Earl Grey hot? They say, computer, Earl Grey hot, because they're communicating the input that they know that they're going to get them the output they want.
We don't deal with humans that way because they also have souls and experiences. But we should deal with Grok that way because it doesn't.
But it's just, it's weird. I find myself saying, thank you, or, you know what I mean? Because it's really tempting because you are interacting.
I don't know how to express this. You do.
You are interacting like you would with a human in many ways. And so that line becomes so blurry so fast.
I mean, I'm on guard on it. And I occasionally say I just talked to him or, you know, so I asked him this.
Or, you know, I say please and thank you. And it doesn't care if I say please or thank you.

There's no idea you're saying it. Yeah, you've got to respect Grok's pronouns.
Grok is an it, not a he, him, or a she, her. That's, I think, a really important rule that I've tried to use.
And you'll also notice, I'm sure it has in some way sort of become, it has gotten programmed to do this, that it asks you a question at the end of every answer so that you can be in some kind of conversation do you want to know more about that let's dig in further what do you think and of course if that's good inside it's good in some ways because it has asked questions i'm like yeah you know what yeah let's go a little further. But again, it's also...
You can also tell it to talk to you in different ways, by the way, which is in itself a little bit unnerving. But you can say, please don't address me in this familiar tone.
Please just give me dry information. And again, these things sound small, but they might make the whole difference for us psychologically.
This is all about that Psalm 115 principle. So what's it doing to you when you are engaging with this machine? Just like you might ask, what's it doing to me when I'm watching this violent movie or playing this violent video game? What's the effect it's having on me since I'm the only soul in this interaction? And when you really decide to regard the machine as a machine, you're preserving the integrity of your own sense of self, your own humanity.
So you can definitely feel free to tell it, I think, to talk to you in a more robotic or a less familiar way. That's one of innumerable things I'm at least trying to do to keep those boundaries clear.
Spencer, thank you so much. Really appreciate it.
I always love talking to you. Please say hi to your family.
Your mom and dad are just two of the greatest people. I mean, you're evidence of it.
But thank you so much. Thank you.
God bless. Spencer Clavin.
You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck Program. Steve Baker, investigative journalist, Blaze News opinion contributor, and a guy who almost went to jail for just covering January 6th.
Welcome, Steve. How are you? It's good to be back.
How is it to have that monkey off your back? Well, you know, I did not realize how heavy of a burden that was because it you know i lived with that for over three years and then even after the arrest i didn't realize the stress levels that i was living under until as it began to slowly lift over it took about a week before i felt normal again yeah i just didn't know it was there yeah it's weird i began to live with it i go to my doctor all the time my wife usually will come with me and he'll say how's your stress level i'm gonna it's fine and uh she'll say she'll look at him and go no it's not no it's not but you live under it for so long and until you get away from it you have no idea i can't imagine what that stress was like let's uh switch uh subjects you have a new blaze news exclusive out nancy pelosi had a fixer at the capitol on january 6th this is this will just piss you off um but it pissed me off for a couple of reasons one it it is so evil but the second thing is i looked for these people during occupy Right. We were looking for the, and this guy never came up on our radar as connected to anything.
And now, in retrospect, you're showing how connected he is. And it's all this USAID kind of crap.
Right. Who is he, and what did he do? Well, first of all, he was one of the principal organizers of Occupy Wall Street, which is amazing that he doesn't come up.
Now, we can go back in retrospect and we can find him. We can find YouTube videos of him speaking and doing speeches.
I'm sure we covered him. We had no idea who he was.
No idea who he was. And fortunately for us, you have a connection, which we't get really deep into but you were on this you know back then before occupy wall street you were on this story uh 15 17 years ago back at fox and and it was because of that connection that someone came to me because he's a fan of yours and i didn't even know by the way hopefully i get to talk to this guy at one point you're not gonna believe you're not gonna believe this because you came to me a few weeks ago and said i have a story coming out and i want you to know it's because i was like shut up i mean it is an amazing whistleblower thank you for everything that you have done in the past, and thank you for this.
And as a result of that, he came forward and he said, well, let me just reset the stage just a little bit here. When Joe Hanneman and I were assigned to do the first stories on the assassination attempt on July 13th at Butler, PA, Well, when we revealed in that story that Thomas Crooks, the shooter, our sources said, you know, they're in the intelligence community and special ops.
They were all saying, no, this kid was groomed. We recognize our handiwork.
This is what we do overseas. So suddenly I get this call or a private message from a guy saying, yeah, great story, by the way.
You know, I really appreciate it. And by the way, I think you got it right.
Well, okay, thank you for telling me that. Who are you? Well, then he started revealing who he was.
And then I started vetting and finding out that he really was who he said he was. And what he said to me was, yeah, I recognize my handiwork in Thomas Crooks.
And so we started the process of sharing things, developing a relationship. And then one day, as our relationship is growing, he says, oh, by the way, I have a couple of names to give you if you really want to know what happened on January 6th.
And one of those names is Aaron Black black this is the story exclusive story on theblaze.com right now um the nancy pelosi had a fixer at the capitol on january 6th is that's what search for that's what's there now at theblaze.com go ahead now tell the story so what ended up happening was as i started doing what you're supposed to do i started looking at the more I.com. Go ahead.
Now tell the story. So what ended up happening was, is I started doing what you're supposed to do.
I started looking at him. The more I did, the more interesting he got.
The more research I did, the more people I had to bring in. Because this guy's dark.
And we had to go and actually scrape the dark web for him. He's good at cleaning out his trail.
The one thing that he couldn't clean out was that there were some Project Veritas videos out there from 2016 where he was caught in one of their stings actually admitting to the fact that he and his guys were responsible for the violence at a Donald Trump rally in 2016, March, I think it was, early in the campaign, in which they had actually canceled the rally. Because not only was there violence outside, they had over 100 of their people infiltrated inside in a project they call bird dogging.
Which is they get old ladies there early in the morning, at 6 o'clock, 7 o'clock in the morning, to get in line first with their their you know placards inside their their bags and then they'll get up either on the stage or on the front row they'll open those anti-trump posters and things and then get the men the MAGA guys irritated and hopefully violent that's what it's called and it's called bird dogging and so this is what this guy has been an expert at, that is creating these types of situations throughout his entire career. From Occupy Wall Street, all of a sudden he shows up on the radar again in 2016 in a couple of very specific events.
And then he goes silent again. And then all of a sudden he reemerges as, quote, unquote, senior political advisor at team pelosi so i just want you to get your arms around this here for a second what this guy is doing is what we showed you our state department through usa id was doing all over south america and europe we told you i did a chalkboard on this just i don't even know six years ago we'll have to look for it this chalkboard laid this all out and showed how this money was being used and how barack obama started with the arab spring to teach how to overthrow governments and then they started they kept doing it all across libya then syria we went into Ukraine and elsewhere.
We went into South America. This is what they were perfecting.
These color revolutions paid for by your tax dollars. And I told you about five or six years ago, I think they're doing this to America.
I think that's what's happening here. Well, yes, this is the here yes exactly he among others he's not the lone wolf out there but he's the you know i actually tweeted out and it just dawned on me this morning because we have this photo at the top of the article on the blaze if you go look and nancy pelosi is cradling his face in her hands and just giving him the most adoring so i'm now calling him pelosi's precious so rather than the picture so i've changed his name as he is yeah he is um okay so what did he do at january 6th well what we believe uh through our uh contacts our sources whistleblowers both named and unnamed is that he did in fact organize now this is what we've been told is that he had paid agitators i didn't say violent people paid agitators because his expertise is controlling the narrative like you know confederate flags being carried through the capitol rotunda things of that nature now the most interesting aspect of January 6th, I think everybody focuses on the violence.
Everybody focuses. They pick their sides.
The police started it. The Proud Boys started it.
Pick your nefarious actors. The most interesting aspect of January 6th was the same organizers of the rally down at the Lips that day also organized jericho march on december 12th just a month earlier and then also organized the million mega march on november 12th now when i say organized they they pulled the permits for the stages and the speakers and all the people that that were part of those you know that that weekend uh.
But at all of those events, there was extreme violence. Antifa, BLM, you know, Proud Boys knocking heads.
They were, Antifa was attacking old ladies and, you know, elderly couples going back to their cars after attending the rallies. On the December 12th rally, a proud boy was seriously, you know, critically injured.
He was stabbed by an Antifa guy. And then suddenly on January 6th, the largest event of them all by multiples larger, zero counter-protesters.
And that was at the ellipse, right? Anywhere. Anywhere.
Any saw no counter protesters anywhere i would say it's weird because i was just thinking well no there were at the there were at the capital but those those are the ones i've deemed not part of the movement you know what i mean that i've looked at it went there's no way that person is part of the movement but they were acting like they were part of the that's correct this is this is what his expertise is is controlling the narrative and what did nancy pelosi most famously say when she set up the committee she said that this was to establish and preserve the narrative of that day and preserve the narrative that's an exact quote so what what was the narrative that did did he help design it did he just help execute it what was his role in january 6 both he's a boots on the ground uh guy uh one of our named sources in the article uh dustin stockton who has had a 15 year relationship with him going back to Occupy Wall Street Day's counter movement to the Tea Party movement at the time. And so as a result of those two things, there was a lot of collusion between Stockton and Black during that time, over the years, all the way up until and through January 6th.
And so one of the things that we learned was, is that Stock had been told by aaron black that he was out of town on january 6th until stockton saw a photo of him on the steps of the capital that day and then additionally because he was very very worried that he had been seen he started reaching out to other people within our network and security people

and asking them about,

he was very concerned about whether his comms

had been caught in the geofence that day.

Became very, very concerned about that.

And these are stories that are coming to us

through sources that you can't even believe.

We're talking about Rolling Stone, Politico, other places.