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Speaker 3 I can't take it. I explain exactly what the, because I know I was in the Oval and I talked to the president about it one-on-one this week.
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Speaker 3 Oh, where to begin? Where to begin? Where to begin?

Speaker 3 Jeez, Louise,

Speaker 3 there's so much.

Speaker 3 The polls of the Democrats just getting worse and worse and worse.

Speaker 3 That's in the news.

Speaker 3 The media has a new conspiracy about Trump's decor on the Oval Office, which I saw that story.

Speaker 1 Can I start there?

Speaker 3 Please. Yeah, I want to start there.
This really drives me out of my mind.

Speaker 1 You were just there.

Speaker 1 You just

Speaker 1 noticed a lot of these same things. Did you notice a big conspiracy?

Speaker 3 Oh, a giant conspiracy.

Speaker 3 I spoke to the president about this very thing. Okay.
When I walked in, they left me and my wife alone in the Oval for about five minutes. Okay.

Speaker 1 Which doesn't normally happen.

Speaker 3 That doesn't happen. That doesn't happen.
And when he finally walked in, he said, I asked him to leave you alone in here because I knew you'd want to to look around and might feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 So did you look around? And I'm like, oh my gosh, I touched everything.

Speaker 3 I said, yeah, I am.

Speaker 1 Better than in the Clinton administration. I'll say that.

Speaker 3 No, I mean, I was very,

Speaker 3 very, you know, respectful of everything in there. I didn't touch anything, but I did look at everything.
And I mean, they have a,

Speaker 3 what he's done, let me just start here. This is what the New York Times is saying.

Speaker 3 that if you look at the maximalist gold accents in which Trump has appointed the Oval Office, the sparkle conveying something more than insidious about how Trump views himself.

Speaker 3 Behold the new sun king, the wannabe emperor who views his powers as absolute. Really? Is that what it says? Is that really what it says? Okay?

Speaker 3 Now you could say, hmm, it says a guy who loves gold. Is anybody surprised by that?

Speaker 3 Is anybody surprised that Donald Trump, the most luxurious, the most golden gold of all gold you could possibly ever imagine? Gold Never thought gold could be this gold. Okay.

Speaker 1 The thing he's like most famous for before he was president

Speaker 3 is gold. Okay.
He loves gold.

Speaker 3 I would have you know the president is spending his own money doing any of these upgrades to the White House. Anything that is being done by him.
And he is doing a lot and

Speaker 3 a lot, just a lot.

Speaker 3 And every American should be grateful for what he is spending his money on and doing. And you will know more about that in the coming months.

Speaker 3 You will be shocked at some of the things that he is just saying, I'm just going to write a check and do it.

Speaker 3 But anyway,

Speaker 3 if you look at the oval, I want to know how

Speaker 3 putting paintings of presidents up says, I'm the sun king.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 3 I looked at all of the paintings. I wanted to know because it says a lot about a president on who he is putting up on the walls, you know

Speaker 3 What paintings is he putting up on the walls now Some people have put landscapes on other people, you know, have put you know pictures of New York up or whatever

Speaker 3 This president has put presidents on the wall

Speaker 3 He has taken the

Speaker 3 not Rembrandt Peale, I think it's his his father Tim, is it Timothy Peel? I can't remember what his father's name is.

Speaker 3 Rembrandt Peale is the guy who did the Porthole President painting, which is also up on the, it's above the Declaration of Independence.

Speaker 3 But above the fireplace, his father did the most famous painting of

Speaker 3 George Washington as a young soldier.

Speaker 1 Charles Wilson Peale. Charles Wilson Peel.

Speaker 3 And it's the one where he's standing. You've seen it a million times in history books.
And he's standing there, and he's got his hand kind of in his vest and the sword by his side.

Speaker 3 And it's a young George Washington. And that hung in the Reagan Oval Office.

Speaker 3 Hasn't been seen since then. All of these paintings, one is a painting of Thomas Jefferson that hasn't been seen in 100 years.

Speaker 3 And so what Donald Trump did is he went down into the vaults of the White House. I know because I talked to him about this.

Speaker 3 He said, all of these stuff, Glenn, he said, they have all these things that have been and can be used in the White House that are just in storage down in the vaults.

Speaker 3 And he said, so I just went down in the vaults and I'm like, what do we have? What do we have? And he said, all of these beautiful paintings of all of these

Speaker 3 presidents, he said, they haven't been seen. And he's like, I don't know.

Speaker 3 This is the room of the presidents. I thought we should put presidents up on the wall.
Okay.

Speaker 3 Now, here's the thing that the New York Times will never understand because they immediately go to, he's the sun king. He wants to behead people and then he'll end up beheading, being beheaded.

Speaker 3 They're immediately going to, he wants to be a dictator.

Speaker 3 When he first came in, he said, you see all the gold? And I said, you can't really miss it, Mr. President.
Now, I'm not a fan of

Speaker 3 gold

Speaker 3 and, you know, all of the gilding and stuff. The way he's done it is beautiful.
I personally, that's not my style, but it doesn't have to be my style. Okay.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I said, I think I know why the price of gold is so high. What does this cost you? And he laughed.
And

Speaker 3 he said,

Speaker 3 I'm going to leave it, of course, but I mean, unless it's a Democrat, then I might just take all of a gilding off.

Speaker 3 But he was joking. Here's what he said to me.
Glenn, this is the most important office in the world.

Speaker 3 And all of these people come from their big, huge palaces and their big, huge

Speaker 3 rooms of power that's gilded and has all of these paintings, all of the old trappings of power. He said, I want them to understand

Speaker 3 that this is the same kind

Speaker 3 of power,

Speaker 3 except it's a new power. and a power beyond their understanding.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 he is doing this to the Oval Office, not to become a dictator, not to signal anything to America, but to signal something to all of the dignitaries that come into that office and sit in those chairs.

Speaker 3 You are sitting at a place of ultimate power.

Speaker 3 That's exactly what the Oval is supposed to do.

Speaker 3 That's why they built it that way.

Speaker 3 That's the whole point of that office, is to project power to the world,

Speaker 3 not to the citizen, to the world.

Speaker 3 I was just with him two days ago. We had this very conversation.
The New York Times, you're so full of bullcrap, I can't take it.

Speaker 1 There was an F in there, and I thought it was going a different direction for a second in the middle of that sentence. It's very close today.

Speaker 3 It could happen.

Speaker 3 I am so sick and tired of this guy. I mean, look, this is not my taste.
It's not my taste.

Speaker 3 It's not the way I would decorate it, but I I understand why he's doing it, and I appreciate why he's doing it.

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, he does obviously love gold, and he loves the way those are decorated.

Speaker 1 Go ahead. But he also knows how

Speaker 1 people in powerful positions in other nations

Speaker 1 view things, right?

Speaker 3 He said, Glenn, I've been, I've been to Moscow. I've been in all of their places of power.

Speaker 3 We need to make sure that they understand, that they see enough of what they believe is power. They see enough of that, and then some.

Speaker 3 This conversation went on for probably 10 minutes. It's so ironic that they write this stupid story today because I'm sitting there and I got a, you know what?

Speaker 3 I'm going to send you some pictures of me sitting with him and my wife at the oval and also looking around because we are having this conversation and you can see him having this conversation with me.

Speaker 3 We'll post him up online when we get into the break.

Speaker 3 He knows exactly what he's doing and

Speaker 3 he spoke to me about,

Speaker 3 I can't tell you everything that we spoke about because he made me sign a non-disclosure and I wish he wouldn't have

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 it just shows you who he is and what he's doing that makes him look good. This guy never allows people to talk about the really unbelievable, humbling things that he does.

Speaker 3 Never, because I think he thinks it makes him look weak. And I just want to, I could take him by the shoulders today and shake him and go,

Speaker 3 because

Speaker 3 the guy is a builder. He knows how to build.
He knows how to build things of quality. And what he's doing to the White House is phenomenal, just phenomenal.
And he's not doing it to project power.

Speaker 3 Why? If you were a dictator, why would you put all of the other presidents?

Speaker 3 Why would you put George Washington over the fireplace? Why would you have Thomas Jeff if you wanted to be a dictator?

Speaker 3 Why would you put the Declaration of Independence right next to your desk that says, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and that governments are established by men?

Speaker 3 why would you do that that says we don't have a king

Speaker 3 why would you do that why

Speaker 3 why

Speaker 3 you know why does he have the what is it fifa is that how you say it fifa fifa fifa for the soccer yeah the soccer yeah okay you know he has the soccer statue the the the world cup the world cup okay sitting right next to his desk did you know that no okay so the the fifa guy comes and is visiting the president and i walk in and i only seen a a little bit of it, you know, when the press is in there.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, I think that's the World Cup. And so I go in.
It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable in real life.
And it's all gold, beautiful gold.

Speaker 3 And it's this year's cup, which is happening here in America. And so the FIFA president comes in and shows him the cup.
And he's like,

Speaker 3 You know, we do have the World Cup happening here. It would be great if you just leave it here next to my desk.
And the guy is like,

Speaker 3 okay, you can have it for a couple of months. And he's like, all right.
So he's got it. He's got it, I think,

Speaker 3 until the World Cup happens.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so he has it sitting there. Why? Why?

Speaker 3 Why would he put it there? Why? Why? Tell me why, why, why, why? Tell me. Anybody quickly.

Speaker 1 My guess would be that the importance of that trophy to the rest of the world is incredibly high.

Speaker 3 Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 3 No, it's because he wants to be a dictator and show that he could even win soccer games.

Speaker 3 No, he's showing the rest of the world.

Speaker 1 This thing just lives here when I want it, basically.

Speaker 3 Yes. We are the center of the World Cup this year.
The world is coming to us. He's going to have...

Speaker 3 Mark my words. He didn't tell me this, but mark my words.
He will have the gold medals and everything else from the Olympic Games, which is also here in America. He will have those in his office.

Speaker 3 He is signaling to the world, you New York Times people are so caught up in your own self-righteous, dim-witted, over educated bull crap that you can't get beyond yourself.

Speaker 3 Can you not see what a negotiator is doing?

Speaker 3 Are you really that dim-witted that you can't understand what this guy is doing?

Speaker 3 Are you that full of spite and hatred that you can't for a second step outside of yourself and go, wait a minute, is there a strategy to this?

Speaker 3 This guy is playing a game of chess beyond your under, you're not even playing checkers. You're not even playing marbles.
I don't know what you're playing.

Speaker 3 I don't know what you're playing.

Speaker 1 Yeah, you know, it's interesting. I think

Speaker 1 part of the reason they do stuff like this is because it fits into their narrative of who he is. Yes.

Speaker 1 You know, like, and I think you could, if you kind of look at it from a surface, if you step back, I don't think you can possibly get to, hey, he wants to be a king. That's just dumb.

Speaker 1 But like, you could get to a place where you think he wouldn't put any thought into this, right? Like, I think you could get to, you know, guys, guys, tweeting mean things at people.

Speaker 1 He's, you know, he's out there. He's kind of, he's, he's letting it fly all the time.
He's a former reality show host. He's not going to care about what, you know, paintings are in the Oval Office.

Speaker 1 That, I can understand that view years and years ago, but like, I, he's very, very

Speaker 1 thoughtful on this stuff.

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Speaker 3 Tim Kennedy, good to see you the other day in the White House. How are you, sir?

Speaker 5 I am

Speaker 5 exceptionally well right now. How are you doing, sir?

Speaker 3 I am great. I am great.
What were you doing in the White House?

Speaker 5 Oh, that I had. I was there for a week.
The day that I saw you, we were going in to see the president, and I was escorting a bunch of wounded heroes for what is the

Speaker 5 fifth celebration now that we're doing it. And it'll be, you know, hopefully a national holiday for Wounded Heroes Day.

Speaker 5 We'll have Memorial Day, we'll have Veterans Day, and then in between those two things, we'll have Wounded Heroes Day, especially on the, you know, the right side of 20 years at war.

Speaker 5 We definitely need to celebrate these guys that have given so much, these guys and gals.

Speaker 3 You know, I tell you, I was out, Tim, two weeks ago, and

Speaker 3 let's just say, I can't remember what days of the week they were, but let's say on a Wednesday, I'm talking to a group of people and a guy comes up to me and he said,

Speaker 3 I wanted to be here tonight, but my son, two days ago, he was in the military and he just committed suicide.

Speaker 3 Oh, my goodness. Yeah.
And then two days later, I'm someplace else. And this mom comes up to me and she said, I just wanted to say hi.

Speaker 3 She starts crying. And I said, are you okay? And she said, my son just committed suicide.
He was in the military. And this has got to stop, Tim.
This has got to stop.

Speaker 3 How do what do we, what do we need to do?

Speaker 5 I mean, we have to have a massive culture shift. We have to give these young men and women purpose.

Speaker 5 You know, we've had in just this past week, I was with Secretary Collins, who's the secretary of the VA. He's an extraordinary man, a chaplain, a combat veteran, man, and he loves the veterans.

Speaker 5 Crying. He was literally crying, talking about

Speaker 5 he's had veterans commit suicide in the parking lots of VAs. And he's like, this is what we're doing.
I can't do it fast enough. But the man is pouring his heart out.

Speaker 5 His daughter is in a wheelchair from a lifetime struggle of medical issues.

Speaker 5 So he has not just the combat veteran perspective, but he also appreciates as the father kind of care provider of somebody that's in a wheelchair, the struggles of mobility.

Speaker 5 And so he really appreciates the whole entire spectrum of these people and their struggles, especially our veterans. And, you know,

Speaker 5 as you know, there's nothing worse than a young person or a man that is living without purpose.

Speaker 5 And these men, their service was purpose. Their teams and the men to the left and the right were their purpose.

Speaker 5 And now they're searching for the next thing, you know, Afghanistan, how embarrassing that withdrawal was. That deeply hurt every veteran that went to Afghanistan.

Speaker 5 You know, and then watching the Taliban just run wreck and havoc throughout the whole entire region.

Speaker 3 You know, we're still sending $2 billion a year over to Afghanistan.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 5 Fortunately,

Speaker 5 we have an incredible cabinet, and they are rapidly fixing these things.

Speaker 5 It's such a mess. We were left with such a mess.
And the Tulsi Gabbards and the Sebastian Gorkins, the Joe Kentz, and the Mike Waltzes, they just can't go fast enough. I know they can't.

Speaker 3 Let me ask you this about Tulsi Gabbard. I worry about her.
I mean, she is, I mean, she is at the gates of hell. The Intel community is just

Speaker 3 a den of vipers.

Speaker 3 You know, that's the gates of the real deep state and everything that's going on around the world.

Speaker 3 Is Tulsi surrounded by enough people to be able to pull this thing off?

Speaker 5 That's a really great question.

Speaker 3 I hate that answer.

Speaker 5 First, yeah, she's she's an extraordinary woman.

Speaker 5 She's brilliant. She's passionate.
She loves the Constitution. She loves the uniform.
She loves our country.

Speaker 5 And, you know, we got Killer Kent, Joe Kent,

Speaker 5 former Green Beret, Special Forces guy that went to the agency

Speaker 5 as a guy that would go into combat operations for the agency, lost his wife, Shannon Kent, in that same type of world. We have Sebastian Gorka, Dr.
Gorka,

Speaker 5 Andy Stewart, like the group at the very top of the Intel community, obviously Mike Waltz,

Speaker 5 another Green Beret, a former teammate of mine. These people know that

Speaker 5 the system is fighting against them.

Speaker 5 And then the one tier down, you know, the like upper to mid-level management of the intelligence community, they are embedded operatives that are anti-everything for reform and change.

Speaker 5 So they are trying to manipulate, they are leaking things to the press that shouldn't be leaked, screen captures of chat conversations, but they're going to get caught, you know, between Cash Patel, Pam Bondi, and Tulsi Gabbard.

Speaker 5 Those are people you do not want to be on the opposite side of in the adversarial position.

Speaker 3 So I tell you, Tim, I agree with that 100%. And yet you're not seeing, I mean, this is the way the audience feels, at least.
They're not seeing those agencies moving.

Speaker 3 And, you know, I talked to the president about it on Wednesday and I said, you know, what's happening? He said, Glenn, you got to give it time. It's still early.

Speaker 3 And what I heard from others outside of the White House was that Congress is not giving them the people around them that they need to be able to move quickly enough. Is that going to change?

Speaker 5 I mean, is Congress going to change?

Speaker 3 No.

Speaker 3 Are you kidding me?

Speaker 5 Like that

Speaker 5 of vipers, as you put it, perfectly.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they're undermining and they're currently fighting against to postpone and slow to keep that merck and mire, that is the intelligence community, ineffective.

Speaker 3 And I want to make it clear. I believe that's the Republicans just as much as the Democrats.
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 5 I do agree with that. Not all of them.
There are great ones in there.

Speaker 5 But absolutely.

Speaker 5 The fact that this is not a partisan issue, that our peer-level adversaries are positioning to attack us, and there are

Speaker 5 embedded terrorist cells here in the United States that are working to kill Americans, and they are currently undermining our intelligence capabilities. They should be hung publicly.

Speaker 5 That's what they should. That's absolutely what should happen.
It's treason what they're doing to Tolsky Gabbard and Cash Patel. I agree.
Pam Bondi.

Speaker 3 I agree.

Speaker 3 We're talking to Tim Kennedy,

Speaker 3 talking to the president about the border and what's going on on the border this week. And I said, you know, if

Speaker 3 I were, you know, a Mexican citizen and knowing that my government was in bed with the cartels, I would be hoping that some special forces just show up in the middle of the night and start killing people in these cartels.

Speaker 3 And he said, well, that would be news breaking if I said that would be a good idea. But

Speaker 3 I hope it doesn't come to that.

Speaker 3 But it was clear that that is on the table.

Speaker 3 I mean, that really has to happen.

Speaker 3 Does it not? I mean, that is a collapsed narco-state in Mexico, isn't it?

Speaker 5 Yeah,

Speaker 5 the rules of war that we are going to be experiencing for the next five to ten years are not the traditional maneuver warfare that people remember from Korea and from Vietnam and from

Speaker 5 even GWAT, where we know who our enemy is. These are going to be businesses.
These are syndicated criminal organizations that do not fight fair.

Speaker 5 And the cartel owns both the businesses, the corporations, and the criminal networks that are involved in that. So, yes, it's absolutely on the table.

Speaker 5 And the group of people that are sitting on like the go button are absolute savages, Mr. Beck.

Speaker 3 Yeah, I know they are.

Speaker 3 I know some of them. And they are like, and they're just like,

Speaker 3 they're just chomping at the bit to go. I know.

Speaker 3 I know. That's the truth.

Speaker 5 We're in conversation with the cartels right now, and the cartels are saying, hey, we don't want to die. We don't want to be wiped off the face of the planet, which we know is about to happen.

Speaker 5 So, you know, are there other options where, hey, what if we stop human trafficking? What if we stop fentanyl production entirely? What if we, you know, sex slaves?

Speaker 5 What if all of that just goes away? What if we stop and seal the border on the south side? What are you going to, like, would we maybe be allowed to transport some cocaine and some marijuana?

Speaker 5 I'm totally fine with this.

Speaker 5 If we stop fentanyl, we stop human trafficking, we stop gun smuggling, and we stop the invasion of our border, like I'll, I'll, and we don't have to do a whole bunch of killing, you know, whatever.

Speaker 5 But

Speaker 5 they know they're on the brink of

Speaker 5 the chance of existence.

Speaker 3 I hope they do.

Speaker 3 When you look at what is happening there and what they're bringing over here,

Speaker 3 it has to stop dead in its tracks. Dead in its tracks.
It has to stop. And it has to stop soon.

Speaker 3 I mean, you know, the president is dealing with these courts, which I think is just judicial insurrection, as Mike Lee

Speaker 3 puts it. And it's got to stop.
The president has to protect our borders and has to protect our cities. This is,

Speaker 3 you know, this is the opium wars done to China by the English, you know, 200 years ago, 150 years ago, and now they're doing it to us.

Speaker 3 That's what's happening. Yep.

Speaker 3 Tell me about the Christians and genocide that you believe is on the horizon.

Speaker 5 Just yesterday,

Speaker 5 back at the White House yesterday, listening to some briefs about

Speaker 5 there's some brilliant companies that are able to do predictive modeling using literally every public and

Speaker 5 classified source of information. And there's these events that are pretty predictable.
They predicted what was going to happen in Afghanistan, predicted what was going to happen in Ukraine.

Speaker 5 Well, they see regionally that on the very near horizon, as soon as like late summer, we are going to see

Speaker 5 real instability throughout CENTCOM and the Indo-Pacific region.

Speaker 5 And some of those things, some of the catalysts that are the date the data points are what are the killing of Christians. And it's happening all over CENTCOM.
And explain CENTCOM.

Speaker 3 For anybody who doesn't know what CENTCOM means. Explain that.

Speaker 5 If you just imagine the Middle East

Speaker 5 starting kind of in north africa and

Speaker 5 um

Speaker 5 western asia and everything that has lots of deserts and lots of muslim countries just by coincidence there's also israel sits in sentcom um one of the the the few

Speaker 5 non-muslim democracies in that whole entire region um

Speaker 5 and you know, the Houthis and Hamas and Hezbollah, and then in former countries like in Syria and

Speaker 5 Iraq, Afghanistan, those places, it's just a massacre of Christians right now.

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Speaker 1 So, who wants to kill themselves?

Speaker 3 No, I. I know I do.

Speaker 1 I've been working with you for 20 years.

Speaker 3 Not the way to start. That's how I wanted to.

Speaker 1 No, I wanted to bring this story to your attention, Glenn, because I thought it was fascinating and right up your alley in a very dark and weird, twisted way. All right, good.

Speaker 1 So it's a story of Daniel Kahneman. He's a

Speaker 1 known,

Speaker 1 pretty famous thinker. He was probably.

Speaker 3 You came up with condiments named after him?

Speaker 1 Daniel Kondiman, yes. He came up with Relish was the first one, and they named all the rest of the condiments after him.
No. He was a

Speaker 1 technically a psychologist, but he was a kind of known for his work in behavioral economics. And

Speaker 1 his

Speaker 1 probably most famous work was a book called Thinking Fast and Slow. Oh, yeah, yeah.
Which is a great book.

Speaker 3 Yeah, actually.

Speaker 1 Great. Fascinating book.
And basically breaking the way we make decisions down into a fast way, which is like instinctive and reactionary, and a slow way, which is slow, methodical, logical.

Speaker 1 And a lot of times we think we're making decisions on the logical path when we're actually making them on the

Speaker 1 fast path. And so it's a great book.
He was also half of the subject of Michael Lewis's book called The Undoing Project, which is another really good book. And it's about

Speaker 1 behavioral economics, is kind of where he, even though he wasn't necessarily an economist, that's where he was kind of, you know, he wound up winning the Nobel Prize in economics.

Speaker 1 So he passed away recently. That was a somewhat of a big deal.
A big story in that world.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 However, now we're getting the results and the sort of behind the scenes of what happened to this guy.

Speaker 3 Wasn't hit by a bus.

Speaker 1 Was not hit by a bus.

Speaker 1 He wasn't

Speaker 1 walking

Speaker 1 in the wrong place in Ukraine.

Speaker 1 He wasn't

Speaker 1 caught up in a tsunami in Japan.

Speaker 3 Dropped dead when a house fell on him.

Speaker 1 No, that's a good guess.

Speaker 1 It's actually much, much, much, much worse than that. Okay.
So

Speaker 1 March 19th, 2024,

Speaker 1 he wound up actually dying on the 27th, but he was communicating with some people on March 19th, and he was explaining how he was going to die.

Speaker 1 Now, you might say, okay, well, I mean, we kind of tease the assisted suicide part of this.

Speaker 1 You know, he's got cancer, he's got some debilitating disease, it's just going to be terrible, can't take the pain anymore, whatever, right? That's not the case,

Speaker 3 not the case, no.

Speaker 1 In explanation, Professor Kahneman included a letter that his friends would receive a few days later.

Speaker 1 Quote, I have believed since I was a teenager that the miseries and indignities of the last years of life are superfluous, and I'm acting on that belief.

Speaker 1 I am still active, still active, enjoying many things in life, enjoying them,

Speaker 1 except for the daily news.

Speaker 1 And I will die a happy man. Okay.
But my kidneys are on their last legs. The frequency of mental lapses is increasing.
And I'm 90 years old. It's time to go.
End quote.

Speaker 3 Okay.

Speaker 1 So he goes through an assisted suicide process here and kills himself

Speaker 1 over the fact that he's occasionally having mental lapses, but is still has a great life and is enjoying many things and going through life positively.

Speaker 3 Can I stop you here? Yes.

Speaker 3 I am torn on this stuff so badly. Are you? Yeah, because the libertarian, yeah, because the libertarian in me is like, whatever, dude, your life.

Speaker 3 However, the God part of me says, you're not God.

Speaker 3 You're not God.

Speaker 3 Life is sacred, and you should be grateful for every second that you have. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I think that's certainly where I land on it. Because as a person who's a libertarian, I think that's really only hitting

Speaker 3 the legal part of this conversation.

Speaker 1 Yes. Right.
Like, you could sit here and say, well, people should be able to kill themselves. By the way, they do it all the time, and you can't really stop them.
It's really hard to stop them.

Speaker 1 A lot of those circumstances, are very tragic, but it's really difficult to stop someone from jumping out of a building or jumping off a bridge or injecting themselves with something or overdosing.

Speaker 1 Sure.

Speaker 3 This happens. Sure, especially when the president says put ammonia right into your veins.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 How many people did that?

Speaker 1 It immediately rushed out and injected bleach, even though he didn't say that at all.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 from a libertarian stance, of course, we would frown upon that decision, but legally it's difficult to stop people.

Speaker 1 There's, of course, a different situation when you're talking about having doctors assist you in that process.

Speaker 3 process you know what i really like is it harkens back to the old-timey germany days you know where the doctors are like we put a little bit of this in your vein and you're sleepy sleepy right uh you know it just it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside and then you die and then you die so

Speaker 1 what i find fascinating about this is multiple things yeah number one just the

Speaker 1 how we're just turning off what we used to believe was the sanctity of life so hang on just a second isn't this the same guy?

Speaker 3 Or is there another guy that says that said this week about being just feeling useless, that I don't really have a purpose anymore? Hmm.

Speaker 1 Could be. Could be the same.

Speaker 3 I don't know. And I thought, hmm, that's really, you know, that it's not a reason to kill yourself.

Speaker 3 You know, you feel useless. You feel like you don't have a purpose.
You should find one. You should find one because there is a purpose in life.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 And that's kind of the goal is to find your purpose, you know, no matter what it is. And if we're just shutting ourselves off because there's, you know, I don't really feel like there's a purpose.

Speaker 3 How many of our teenagers feel that way right now?

Speaker 1 And that's really awful.

Speaker 3 Yeah. And by the way, Canada will let you off yourself if you're a teenager and you feel like, you know, I just don't have any purpose or will to live.
Okay. If you're feeling,

Speaker 1 you know, meh.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 1 If you hit the meh standard,

Speaker 3 the official diagnosis has to be meh.

Speaker 3 And it has to be met. That has to be met by two doctors.
Two doctors. I mean, Germany had three,

Speaker 3 but Canada is only requiring two.

Speaker 1 Good job, guys. Don't live up to those Nazi standards.

Speaker 1 There's one other detail to this that was revealed to me only after I printed the article.

Speaker 1 I'm going to give you that in a second, but listen to a little bit more of this. Despite his advanced age, this person who wound up killing himself was still capable of research.

Speaker 1 and writing and could still enlighten audiences on how to make better decisions. Apart from his intellectual gifts, he was healthy enough to participate in friendship and family life.

Speaker 1 Why did none of this give him sufficient reason to continue to live? The answer, we believe, can be found toward the end of an interview we did with him.

Speaker 1 He surprised us by denying that his work had any objective significance.

Speaker 1 Other people happen to respect it, and they say that it's for the benefit of humanity, but I just like to get up in the morning because I like the work.

Speaker 1 We pushed back, arguing that there are objectively good things to do with one's life, but he resisted. I feel like I live my life well, he said, but it's a feeling.

Speaker 1 I'm just reasonably happy with what I've done. I would say that there's if there's an objective point of view, then I'm totally irrelevant to it.

Speaker 1 If you look at the universe and the complexity of the universe, what I do with my day cannot be relevant.

Speaker 3 That's the quote I was referring to. Oh, okay.
That's the quote I was referring to. Yeah, it can't be relevant.
I have no relevancy. Really?

Speaker 3 I was just with a...

Speaker 3 How old is Trump? 81?

Speaker 1 Seriously, how old is he? No, he's not that old. He's in the 70s.

Speaker 3 79? Yeah. I mean, he's almost 80.

Speaker 1 Oddly, you looked older in the interview, which was interesting. interesting.

Speaker 3 Shut up.

Speaker 3 I felt older around him.

Speaker 3 But the guy is like, I mean, you want to find a purpose? Look at that guy. 78, by the way.
78. Look at the purpose on that guy.

Speaker 3 I mean, I think this is maybe the most important purpose of his entire life.

Speaker 1 And he's done a lot.

Speaker 3 Yeah, and he's done a lot. And your life has no meaning whatsoever.
You have to find it.

Speaker 3 That's your part of the deal. God gives you life, then you find out what the purpose is.

Speaker 1 And you think about so many younger people, especially. in we've talked about the Jonathan Haidt book several times about this sort of empty feeling that younger people have.

Speaker 3 Because everything is all about

Speaker 3 buying stuff, being famous, all of the things

Speaker 3 that are empty.

Speaker 3 They have no meaning.

Speaker 3 You know what gives you meaning? And I know this sounds horrible. Work.

Speaker 1 Work.

Speaker 1 It's not horrible to say that work gives you is helpful. It's part of what gives you meaning is I don't like work.

Speaker 3 I don't like it either work.

Speaker 1 I mean, gosh, look at my resume.

Speaker 3 I've been with you for a very long time. I don't like it.
I don't like all work, for me at least.

Speaker 3 I don't like it. I don't like hard work.

Speaker 3 But there is something about doing something, getting up every day. This is something I say to my son.
He's like, I don't know, dad.

Speaker 3 Get your ass out of bed, make your bed, go

Speaker 3 find something to do, no matter how

Speaker 3 meaningless it is, find meaning in it by doing it well.

Speaker 3 You're going to make a hamburger, make the best damn hamburger anyone can make. You will come home beat to snot, tired, but you will find purpose in your life just by

Speaker 3 doing things.

Speaker 3 That's that's I mean, I'm sorry. That's just what has to be said.
Boy, am I getting to be that old where I'm like that kind of old jumpy man?

Speaker 3 Just get off your ass and do something. Get a job.
Get a job. Yeah,

Speaker 1 that is crucial. You'd like, by the way, David Bodson's book.
It's called Full-Time Work and the Meaning of Life. And that's exactly what the book's about.
It's about... It's true.

Speaker 1 You do find purpose in this, and that's good.

Speaker 3 You know, my son and I, we went out, I don't know, a couple of years ago, and I'm not a, and it's going to come as a surprise to you. I mean, because you look at me and you're like, whoa, that is a,

Speaker 3 he is a hardworking man.

Speaker 3 I don't do a lot of manual labor. Never have.

Speaker 1 You're kidding me, but you own a ranch.

Speaker 3 What do you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 There's a horse in the middle of our logo.

Speaker 3 You're riding horses around a big I do, and I have people that saddle that horse bring that horse to me.

Speaker 3 You know, I go up to farmers and I shake their hands and they're like, what the hell? I just, I mean, my wife's hands aren't as soft as yours.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, I haven't worked a day in my life, Jack.

Speaker 3 So, but I don't, I,

Speaker 3 manual labor, don't like it. Avoid it like the plague always have.

Speaker 3 But my son and I, we went and we had to go build fences, you know,

Speaker 3 you know, on the ranch. And then we had to take down and we had to sand

Speaker 3 these gates down and, you know, get all the rust off them and paint them and everything. It was the best week either of us had.

Speaker 3 We worked so hard all the whole time we would come in and we could just barely sit at the table and eat. And both of us look at those pictures of those times and go, that was fun.

Speaker 3 We weren't thinking that at the time,

Speaker 3 but there is something about that. There is, you know, it's, it's like how everybody looks at their worst time of their life.
Oh, this is such a struggle, man. We just barely.

Speaker 3 But when you get past it,

Speaker 3 you go back and you look at it and go, like, those were actually good times. Those were good times.
Wouldn't want to do it. They always say this.
Wouldn't want to do them again.

Speaker 3 Don't want to repeat them. But those were good times.
Why? Because that struggle, you learned something about yourself.

Speaker 3 You were pushed into areas that

Speaker 3 you didn't know you even had.

Speaker 3 That's what gives you purpose.

Speaker 3 That's what teaches you is the hard things, the hard work, the hard knocks. All of this teaches us something.
And our society has rejected it 100%.

Speaker 3 I don't want to do that. That sounds hard.

Speaker 3 I don't want to do that job. That sounds hard.

Speaker 3 You're going to make me take a test? That sounds hard. I gotta do what? Oh, that sounds hard.

Speaker 1 That connects directly to what Andrew Cleveland was talking about yesterday at this time.

Speaker 1 You know,

Speaker 1 he's talking about murders. He was taking positives out of murders because it turned into art and all these incredible thoughts, correct

Speaker 1 experiments and

Speaker 1 ways that we learn and evolved. And

Speaker 1 you could find it everywhere. That's part of life, right? Yeah.

Speaker 3 It's what will save us in the end.

Speaker 3 Should all of this just come apart? Okay.

Speaker 3 And I hope it doesn't, But should the next four years show that,

Speaker 3 yep, they gave it a college try and it just fell apart.

Speaker 3 And we're in really bad times.

Speaker 3 What will be the difference? Will be those who choose to say, this is going to be for our own good. Good will come of this.

Speaker 3 I don't know what shape. I don't know how.
I have no idea because I'm not God and I can't predict what's coming next, but I know this will turn out to be good.

Speaker 3 Those people will survive and they will be happy. Those who look at it and like, everything's horrible and I can't do anything and we just need help,

Speaker 3 those people will destroy themselves and any opportunity to get out.

Speaker 1 Very true. Let me give you this last paragraph here.

Speaker 1 Professor Kahneman signaled concern that he did not end his if he did not end his life when he was clearly mentally mentally competent, he could lose control over the remainder of it and live and die with needless miseries and

Speaker 1 indignities.

Speaker 1 One lesson to learn from his death is that if we are to live well to the end, we need to be able to freely discuss when a life is complete without shame or taboo.

Speaker 1 Such a discussion may help people to know what they really want.

Speaker 1 We may regret their decisions, but we should respect their choices and allow them to end their lives with dignity. So I printed this story out so we could talk about it on the air.

Speaker 1 And I didn't notice this detail until I printed it out, which was the author of the story, one of the two authors.

Speaker 1 A name from the past, Glenn. Peter Singer.

Speaker 3 Oh, my God.

Speaker 3 Is that guy still alive?

Speaker 1 He's still alive. And

Speaker 3 thought about shortening his life?

Speaker 1 Yes, a lot, apparently. He has not taken that path quite yet.
Peter Singer, a name that you may remember, we've talked about him a hundred million times going back many years,

Speaker 3 100 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah. If you're a long-term listener, you'll remember his name.
He was the guy who advocated for a period of 28 days after birth to be able to

Speaker 3 support your child. And he did apologize for that.

Speaker 1 He did. He did apologize.

Speaker 3 He said that wasn't long enough. It should have up to two years.

Speaker 3 He said, until a child can realize that there is a tomorrow, they're not really a human. Right.
And so until they say to you, what are we going to do tomorrow? You can kill them.

Speaker 3 That's honestly. And by the way, he was professor of ethics.
Maybe he still is chair of ethics at Princeton University.

Speaker 1 Yeah, not just some guy.

Speaker 3 No, Princeton University.

Speaker 3 And you can kill your child until they say, what are we going to do tomorrow, dad?

Speaker 1 He said killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person. Now, that might indicate that he thinks that a newborn baby is not a person, which is basically what he's saying.

Speaker 3 Well, he's also saying it at the end. You're not really a person.
Once you decide you're not a person, you're not a person. And

Speaker 1 this is deep into left-wing thought here.

Speaker 1 These are prominent people who are discussing. And by the way, some of them acting on this way of thinking about life, which it's really not much of value.

Speaker 3 Well, here's the scariest thing. They're the people also that are advising the biggest minds behind things like AI.

Speaker 3 Yeah.

Speaker 3 And these people talking to AI and setting the priorities of AI and telling it what is life.

Speaker 3 I mean, this is these

Speaker 3 we're living in a hellscape. We really are.
We're living in a coming hellscape if we don't wake up pretty soon

Speaker 3 and we don't and this president doesn't win and we don't finish the transition. We don't seal this

Speaker 3 this

Speaker 3 cave of darkness back off. You know, we did that in 1945.
It needs to be sealed off again.

Speaker 3 We let it survive because we said it was our ally and we let it survive and go into China and Russia. And

Speaker 3 we let them kill millions of people there. And we still play footsie with it.
And that's why that cave opened back up. And all that darkness is spilled back into our culture.

Speaker 3 And we got to push it back.

Speaker 3 This is your purpose. Pushing back on darkness so the light can prevail because darkness is...
It's alive and it is pushing hard. And we have to be stronger.
Look, we win.

Speaker 3 All you have to do is turn on the light, and that dispels darkness.

Speaker 3 Have you even found your light yet? Turn it on.

Speaker 3 Push the darkness back where it belongs.

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