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Back from Washington, D.C. Had an incredible sit-down with the president.
A lot to share on that interview that we aired last night. We'll go through some of it and tell you some of the other stories that happen off-air.
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Welcome to the program, Stu. How are you? Welcome back, Glenn.
Thank you. Back from D.C.
Interesting week. I bet it was.
Interesting week. Learned an awful lot.
I've got to go up there at least a quarter. Every quarter.
There is so much going on. It is moving so fast, and you get a completely different perspective when you're actually there talking to the people that are moving the pieces.
And I had a lot of conversations that I can't divulge on the air. I can't say, unfortunately.
I was with the president yesterday, and it was an incredible, absolutely incredible. And the thing I was most excited to share was his heart.
He, it was amazing. Did the interview, went in to the Oval Office and he left me alone with my wife in the Oval Office for like five minutes.
Now I am like, I'm, he was lucky I didn't't go through the drawers. Um, you know, I look at the side is that, where's that little hidden puzzle piece that I saw in national art.
Um, but, uh, uh, I, I mean, he left us alone for five minutes. Nobody's left alone in the over for five minutes.
And he walks in five minutes later and Tanya was so uncomfortable. She's like, I don't, I don't know what to say know how to what do i do and i'm like they said make yourself comfortable so have a seat wherever you want you know probably not behind the desk but have a seat and uh so we just go around and i i mean i was alone with the declaration of independence i mean it was incredible in the oval office and he walks in he said any part of you think maybe i just kind of put this No, no.
Put it in my in the Oval Office. And he walks in and he said...
Any part of you think, maybe I just kind of put this, build it up, put it in my pocket, maybe nobody notices? No. None of that? No.
None of that hit you? Darn it. But this is the second time I've been in the Oval Office.
The first time you're a little overwhelmed. The first time you're just like...
Because it's a magical place. It really is a magical place.
And so he said, he walks in, he's like, you know, nobody's in. And I said, I'm well aware of that.
He said, nobody what? Nobody sits in here without the president or without somebody else. Right.
I got to imagine. That's really rare.
I said, I'm aware of that. And he said, but I knew you'd want to look at everything.
So I thought you'd be more comfortable if you were here by yourself. And I'm like, oh, it was fantastic.
So we sit down, we talk, um, we go do the interview. And, uh, while we were talking in the oval, we were conversing about a few things and he said, and Abraham Lincoln came up, we were talking about, he is well-versed on the presidents.
He is becoming a historian. He really is.
He's really done his homework. And he said, are you a fan of Abraham Lincoln? And I said, yeah.
And he said, ever been to the Lincoln bedroom? And I said, no. Want to go? And I'm like, wait, of course I do.
Yes. Let's do this interview.
So we do the interview and he, I'm told he only has 40 minutes. Now we've just eaten 10.
And so we go, we do the interview and his aides are cutting us off. And I'm like, I got at least 10 more minutes of questions.
And so we're getting cut off. And as we stop, his aide says, sir, the National Security Council is waiting for you.
And he says, right, I'm going to take them to the Lincoln bedroom first. And they're like, the Security Council is meeting right now.
They're waiting for you. And he said, let him wait.
I'm going to take him up to the... So he takes us the longest way possible he takes us through the entire white house room by room shows us all of the meanings behind things all of the amazing amazing things that like nobody knows about the white house takes us to the takes us to the the basement which is not really the basement um you know it's the actual first floor where all of the guests come in and they come up the grand staircase and everything else.
But it's the basement and he's walking through and he's showing me a troll. First of all, he goes, I got to show you these paintings.
I just see this picture, this painting of Laura Bush and Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton up on the wall. He said, I walk by him every day and I'm like, ah, this is not right.
And he said, and then I got this painting of me and it's, you know, me, the flag face looking really kind of tough. And he said, I thought I'd put him between the two and it had just gone viral.
Okay. He had just released a picture of it.
It just gone viral. It was a troll.
The guy is just trolling. And he's like, yeah, don't you love it? I just think this works.
This trio really works. And I said, can I get a snap of that with you? So we take this picture, the two of us, you know, on the ground floor of the White House house with this this is the tour goes by this every day okay uh and uh all of a sudden this thing goes viral and they start the memes start to be made uh they put jd vance uh in the pictures uh they change people just started changing all the pictures behind us so So this is a meme before, you know, going off before we finish.
And then he takes us upstairs, takes us through all these things, and the aides keep gathering. There's like 20 of them now following us.
And I keep hearing, sir, the National Security Council is waiting.

He's like, I know, I know.

And so we get up to the executive residence.

And the reason why he had to give us,

the reason why he had to do this tour is because you're not allowed in the

residence and you're not allowed into the Lincoln bedroom without the president of the United States. It's the only one that can do it.
You can't, Melania couldn't come down and do the tour. It has to be the president.
And so he's like, I'm sorry. He's telling them, I'm sorry, but you know, rules are rules.
And so he takes us up into the Lincoln bedroom. It was the most incredible thing.
I mean, it's like, it's a time capsule. It's really his bed, which is about six inches longer than like the big king size bed.
It might've been longer than a California queen. It was very narrow.
It was like, obviously, you know, he's not like Hugh Hefner. It's just a very narrow bed, but very, very long.
The mirror on one end was extended to, you know, for somebody who's like, you know, six, nine, I think. Barron could use that mirror.
And then on the other side of the room is a writing desk. And on this one table were all these things about his son, Lincoln's son, who had died.
And this really eerie picture of Lincoln, this painting. And the president said that was his favorite painting of himself.
And it's really, it was spooky almost. And I couldn't take a picture.
You're not allowed to take any photos in the Lincoln bedroom. And I was so bummed because I couldn't wait to show them to you.
But there's a writing desk and on it is the Gettysburg address. One of four of the Gettysburg addresses because he gave, Lincoln was at the Gettysburg and said, Mr.
President, that was a great speech. Do you have a copy of it? And he said, sure.
And he hands him the speech and he said, here, take it. This is a New York reporter, takes it, types it up and then throws it away.
So during the war, Lincoln writes four copies of the Gettysburg Address. In the four copies, only two of them say, this nation under God.
Two of them don't say that, and we don't know why. But the one there says, this nation under God.
So it's just almost like a spiritual thing. We come down, and we're ending the tour, and I said, I have to i said i know you're donald j trump but now what do you think i'm gonna ask because he cuts me off there and starts to answer and i was amazed that he knew what i was even gonna ask what do you think i'm asked i know you're donald j trump but i be anything, obviously.
He said every day. And that's the right answer, but I didn't, still didn't know if he knew what I was talking about.
And I said, every day? And he said, every day, Glenn, I wake up every day and I say to myself, I can't believe I'm in this house. Hmm.
I mean, he's still humble about it.

He still, he respects that place. I mean, a lot of the, well, he didn't tell me this, so I don't think I signed anything about that.
No, he didn't tell me this. So the word is that Hillary stole a lot of the glass doorknobs at the White House.
That's the word. Don't know.
It's true. But stole a lot of them.
He came in and he redid all of the doorknobs. And they are beautiful.
This guy has put serious money into the White House. And he's never going to get any credit.
And, you know, the rumor was on those doorknobs that they were going to take him out. I don't know if they did on Biden, but, you know, they don't want any of the Trump stuff in there and took out the doorknobs.
But he's poured a ton of money upgrading that house, and he'll never get credit for it, but he deserves it. All right.
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Station I. So you were able to go through all of this and look at all these incredible documents.
I mean, this is kind of like your fantasy league life, right? Oh, my gosh. Every document you could ever want, every piece of history you could ever want to look at.
Oh, my gosh. You would spend no time actually being president if you were president.
No, I wouldn't. I don't know when this guy has time.
I really don't. They told me, some of the Secret Service guys said, he's here, you know, middle of the night working on stuff.
He's, you know, he'll do a full day and then he's there, you know, like who's up at this hour. It's him.
It's interesting because that's not the way the media presents him, right? They say, Oh, he's just watching TV. He's watching Fox news.
There's no way this guy has learned so much. There's no way I had a conversation about history with him five, six years ago, like I did yesterday.
Interesting. So you notice a difference.
Oh, his learning curve is straight up. Absolutely straight up, straight up.
And in the interview, there's nothing. I mean, I could have said things.
Remember the nuclear triad question that he was hit with where he didn't really know what the nuclear. There is not a question I can ask him where he doesn't know the answer.
Literally, literally. I mean, everything I ask him off air or on air, he's there.
He knows it. If it's happening in the world, he knows it.
I don't know how he keeps up like this. It is.
I mean, his energy level is impressive. There's no doubt about that.
Especially, I mean, I don't know. The bar was set pretty low the last four years.
But that's been one of the things that I don't think there's ever been really much disagreement on. The fact that, I mean, we did, you know, years ago, we went around with candidates around Iowa, for example, just in campaigning.

And it was like, oh, gosh, by the end of the weekend, I just wanted to sleep for a week because it was just so much running around doing. I mean, we can't even imagine what it's like to be president of the United States.
He's always got that energy. He's always energized.
I mean, and I saw him. I mean, when I got onto the plane last night, because I know he went from,

he went from my interview directly to the National Security Council.

And then by the time I'm sitting at the airport,

there's a video of him meeting with the people that were in the lobby waiting

for him,

all of these veterans and he's doing stuff with veterans on TV.

I mean,

the guy is just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom biden was like he'll have he'll have some pudding yeah and pudding and a lid and a lid and that's it um he this guy is going non-stop obviously we're just kind of setting up the main course here which is your interview with him that airs on blaze tonight. No, it was last night.
I watched it on Blaze TV last night. It airs on YouTube tonight.
I'm getting the order wrong. But, you know, you guys went into everything.
Every topic. Any questions he didn't, you know, you didn't think he wanted to go to or wasn't comfortable with? Was there anything he was off limits, anything like that? No, no.
He's joking with me. As we was going across the hallway, he said, after the interview, he said, now try to be kind to me.
Well, if you don't, I'll just say, he's over. He's worthless.
So do whatever you want.

But no, there was nothing.

In fact, we didn't, you know, we wouldn't and we didn't give him any indication other than it was, you know, about the hundred days and everything that has gone on in the last hundred days and are coming.

And so that's pretty broad.

He said a few things and I would give you I want to give you one of them here. We were talking about the tariffs.
And I said, you know, how do you negotiate when you have a group of elites like the WF when you have China who's against you and the world trade or the world economic forum all the elites in england that are they're they're fine with a great reset how do you negotiate with people who don't mind blowing the whole thing up listen to this i don't have to negotiate i don't have to negotiate i'm talking to people out of respect but i don't have to. So we're this giant store that people want to come in and buy from.
We're the United States. We have the richest consumer, et cetera, et cetera, right? But we're not going to be that way for long if we don't do something.
But we're this giant store, and they all want to come in and they want to take our product. But to take our product, they're going to have to pay.
And we'll either make a deal with them or we'll just set a price because some countries are worse than others. Some countries have ripped us off really badly and some countries have just ripped us off a little bit.
But almost all of them have ripped us off because we've had really poor leadership. And what's going to happen is we're going to negotiate with, we are negotiating.
We're negotiating with 70 different countries. We're negotiating.
We're showing great respect. But in the end, we may make deals, but either that or I just set a price.
I said, here's what you're going to pay for the privilege of servicing the United States of America. And they have an option.
They can maybe talk to me a little bit, or they can not shop. You know, they don't have to shop at this big store.
Or they can shop. Right.
But in any event, they're going to have to pay. Look, we owe $36 trillion for a reason.
The reason is the trade, and also the endless wars, the stupid wars that we fought. We go into the Middle East, we blow it up, we leave, we don't get anything.
And you're a big fan of exactly what I'm saying, meaning let's not do the stupid stuff. Let's not do that.
It doesn't work. It's stupid.
Endless wars. Endless wars that they don't even want us.
You know, we got into wars, they didn't even want us. So all of that stuff.
You know, when I left four years ago, we had no wars. We had no Israel and Hamas.
And by the way, it would have never happened because Iran was broke. They were broke.
I had sanctions that were so strong on Iran. They were totally broke.
They had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah. We didn't have Russia, Ukraine.
That would have never happened, by the way. We didn't have the Afghanistan embarrassment, one of the great embarrassments in the history of our country.
We didn't have any inflation. I know.
Don't forget, I charged China hundreds of billions worth of tariffs. They talk about inflation.
We had no inflation. Because that doesn't cause inflation.
Stupidity causes inflation. High energy caused inflation.
When they took over my energy, we were making it like nobody's ever seen. And then the prices doubled.
By the way, because of that, Putin went in. If they kept, you see what's going on with energy now, it's going down.
It makes it much harder for Putin to prosecute the war. It was fascinating.
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Another pretty strong response

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You know, when you're in an interview and you're trying to navigate your way through it with the president of the United States, it's a little dicey because he he goes wherever he wants to go. And you're trying to control the interview to make it all lay out in a logical way.
And he's going and I'm shuffling. I've card, I've probably had 50 questions for him.
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I talked to him about the GOP, and he was nicer on the GOP than I thought he would be.

Much nicer.

Actually, very complimentary.

Seemed to just basically say, you're jumping the gun, Glenn.

Yeah, he did.

He did. And so I pushed him on it a couple of times and said, my audience really cares about two things, doge, the three things, doge, the people go to jail that need to be prosecuted.
And the other one is the Congress and the economy and tariffs. I mean, and you can't do all of it without Congress.
And he was shocking twice. I came back at that.
Will you push Congress? And both times he was like, you know, you just, you're going to love the big, beautiful bit. They're going to pass it.
I know. I just love them.
Yeah yeah it was interesting i think he he leaned on the the pragmatic realities of what the congress is which is a congress with a very small majority and he mentioned uh you know it was seven seats in the house and three seats in the in the senate and he said that but he thought it was going to be enough he seemed to think that we know, one of the things we talked about, this is going back at the beginning of his administration, was he kept picking House members to serve in his government. Yes.
And that shrunk their majorities temporarily. So he seemed to be saying like, look, we needed to get that straightened out first, win those special elections.
Yes. and then now we're position where we can get the big, beautiful bill done.
And he seemed to be incredibly optimistic about the bill. I will say that was an interesting part of that interview because he was much more optimistic than I feel like I am right now.
So he either knows something that we don't know or he is negotiating with them and playing nice until they go the right direction. they go the right direction and if they don't go the right direction this time i think he will change but i'm i'm i'm not sure he was shockingly in their corner for this he said they were doing a great job yeah you know because i and when there's a lot of complaints from a lot of conservatives from me from you yeah i was hard yeah and you know, I was, I think, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I think I was pretty clear on, you know, they got to do their job.
And I said, and what does all of this mean if they don't codify? You got to get them to codify all this stuff. And he said, Glenn, we get the big, beautiful bill.
Then we're going right to codification. He's like, we're going to codify everything we just did in executive order.
That would be great. And I think there's a tendency sometimes of Trump defenders when, you know, he wants something, it doesn't get done, or we all want something to get done to not necessarily put blame on Trump, to put blame on Congress.
He was very clear that that didn't need to happen. They're doing a good job.
They're going to get this across the finish line, which is pretty, I don't know. I'm trying to think of the right word.
Trusting? Yeah, but I mean, optimistic. It was good to hear that that's what he sees.
I mean, he's talking to these people. He knows where this thing stands right now.
Now, he's in the middle of a public interview. You don't know.
He could be positioning it. As you mentioned, it could be part of the negotiation.
But, you know, that's kind of him saying, we've got this under control. Don't worry about it.
And he said all the stuff's going to be in this bill. The Big Beautiful Bill has been sort of this generic term that he's used to kind of give us an idea.
He said a couple of times. Yeah.
Everything's in that bill. Everything.
Everything's in that bill. He said tax cuts, regulation cuts.
Right. And I don't know, maybe he's thinking about putting the tariffs in that bill.
And that's an interesting part of it because that would also help the scoring of the bill. If you put the tariffs in the bill, it's going to show revenue coming in from those tariffs.
And then that would help him put other things like tax cuts in the bill that are larger, for example. There's a lot of strategy and weirdness here, because you have to get a reduction in the deficit and the debt to be able to pass it through the reconciliation process.
So there's a lot of stuff. I mean, it is a very complicated process.
But I think usually you'd go through a situation like this and say, if you have majorities as small as the Republicans have, you can't do this type of bill. It's too difficult.
He's saying it's not. And look, I think there's reason to believe he's going to be able to get people lined up behind this thing.
He's been very good at that.

Well, we'll see.

We'll see, and I hope he is right.

He seemed less convinced than he was.

No, no, I have faith that he knows something that I don't know.

I just hope it's not misplaced trust, because I don't trust any of them.

Right.

You know what I mean? I trust some of them as individuals but as a collective they're absolutely worthless just worthless um i also talked to him about the judges and how the judges uh are holding holding everything back and i used a term that mike lee has used judicial insurrectionurrection. And talk to him about, you know,

Andrew Jackson. He's a fan of Andrew Jackson.
And Andrew Jackson, he went to court with the federal judges, not the Supreme Court, the federal judges. And he said, well, they've got their opinion.
I have mine. The good thing about judges is they don't have an enforcement arm.
so let him enforce it. And he just went on.
And constitutional, I mean, he just kept going. So I asked him about that.
Listen to what Donald Trump said. Well, I hope we don't have that problem.
And I hope we don't have to get into it. But I will say we have millions of people in this country right now that are criminals.
And you see how fast we're getting them out. And we're going to get them out even faster.
But when you have to get out and do court cases for individual people, and you would have, in theory, millions of court cases, you know what that means. If you had one court case, it takes forever.
Millions of court cases? They're really saying you're not allowed to do what I was elected to do. I was elected for a very big part of it was the border and getting people out because I said and the stats reveal it.
When you look at Trin de Aragua, when you look at MS-13, when you look at these gangs and and just really bad criminals coming in. You know, we have many murderers, people that killed, 50% of which killed more than one person.
They put them into our country through open borders. And now we have to go to court to get them out? I don't think the people of our country are going to stand for it.
Let me go to Andrea in Arizona who's listening. Hi, Andrea.

Hi, how are you?

I watched the interview.

It was wonderful.

And, you know, I'm seeing a new Donald Trump.

I'm sure I know you've mentioned this before.

And he is so calm, so precise, so measured.

And I'm just wondering, is he like that only during the interviews or is he like that before and after the interview? What you saw, there was no difference in the Donald Trump that you saw in the interview that I saw giving me a tour of the White House yesterday. No difference.
He is, if anything, did I talk about the nondisclosure I had to sign? You didn't talk about that on the air no so if anything he is more genuine and more heart-driven um than what you see i he was he gave me a tour of the white house and and we went up to the executive residence uh nobody goes up to the executive residence and i'm like you know and we do the tour of the Lincoln bedroom and then he takes us to places that you don't go to and he was showing us stuff and he was I can't at the at the end of this section we come down the stairs from the executive residence and on the table there at the bottom of the stairs were two pieces of paper, one for my

wife and one for me, that we had to sign. And I said, what is this? And they said, the president doesn't want anything other than the Lincoln bedroom, any of your conversations shared.
And I was devastated because that was the thing I was most excited to share with the audience because it shows who he is.

It shows

he's a remarkable man. And I sat there and I just, I mean, I had to sign it.
And I sat there and I wanted to, I just wanted to say, why? Why? This is the side of you that people should know about. and I can't say anything about it.
So he's much, he leads by his heart much more than what you know. There's something that happened also that my wife caught that didn't happen up there that I'm struggling with whether or not I should say anything.
I want to call the White House and just say, because it was caught on film. And we caught it on a frame.
And I think we, well. Do they put you in Guantanamo if you talk about it? No, not that.
I don't know about the other part. But he's better than he is, you know, more calm and just more real.
He is so strangely the guy who is gilding the White House Oval Office. He is gilding it.
But he is so normal and so common. I don't know how he became this way.
I really don't. He's the guy who's like, it's the greatest gold of all gold.
Nobody said gold could be any more golden than this gold. And yet he's just like you.
He's like everything you would hope a really good man that you respected was actually like. That's great.
Yeah. You know, that's pretty consistent even in the, you know, the reporting from sources who don't like him.
They say, you know, behind the scenes, you know, he is a very engaging, endearing guy. Yeah, he is.
He is. He's the real deal.
He's the real deal. That's fascinating.
Well, I mean, as we all know, and I think Sarah will back me up on this, at some point you're totally going to screw this up and say something about what you're not supposed to say. I've said it in a meeting.
Yeah, it's 100%. I mean, I don't know how long it's going to take.

It might take a month.

It might take a year.

I won't.

At some point, you'll blurt something out.

I won't.

And we will alert the authorities and make sure that they know that you violated the

agreement you signed.

If there was something bad, you know I would.

You know I would.

I couldn't.

I couldn't.

You'd blurt it out.

The country is going to be, you know, the nukes are going to fly.

I'd be like, I got to tell you.

Don't put him on signal.

Don't put me on there.

Right, yeah.

But you think you'll be able to hold it because at some point we'll obviously get this out of you.

I'm just disappointed.

I'm just disappointed that I can't tell you because I think you would really, I think you'd like it.

I think you'd like it a lot. You'd like it a lot.
He's a good man. All right.
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Hello, Mike. Welcome.
Hello. Hey, how are you? I'm great.
Your presentation last night was exactly what I expected. You had a deep seat, a split-fingered grip, and you let that bull ride.
Good. Good.
But when you got to Bondi and Patel, he dodged that one, and you let him dodge it. And there may very well be reasons that you did running out of time is one of them and

yes we just don't need to know right now is another so here's why i here may i explain why i didn't push back um and i pushed back after the interview in the hallway and i got the same answer and i knew i would get the same answer so that's one reason why i didn't push back the second, I had information from others who are near cash and Bondi, um, who said pretty much the same thing the president did, except they added Congress is holding up the nominations of the others. Uh, and, uh, the, the, you know, it's the rhinos that were like, you know, we gave him all of his people for the for his cabinet.
You can wait until August to get the rest of them. And they're very frustrated.
But what I was told by others around those two was that they are kind of surrounded right now and can't move. So when the president said, look, it's early, but I think they're doing a good job.
I translated that into it's early. They don't have their people hang tight.
I could be wrong, but that's why I didn't push him on that. Because the other thing that goes back into, and I pushed him twice or three times on Congress, was Congress.
And he kept, kept, you know, having faith in Congress as well. And I thought that was a negotiating tool.
So I couldn't make any real progress there because I think he was solidly in the place of Congress. So he could maybe talk them nicely into doing the things he needed them to do.
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You got my wife on the phone yet? Try to get my wife on the phone. You know, Sarah said to me in the break, she said, I'm more interested in what your wife has to think about it.
And I'm like, I mean, I'm the broadcaster of the family. Yeah, but she is not a huge history nerd like you are, and she's not impressed by anything.
So I figured she might be impressed about this trip. Yeah.
You know, so that is so Tanya in a nutshell. She's been invited to, I've gone to the White House maybe three times.
I take my kids every time because she's like, no, I'd rather, I don't want to go. I mean, what are we going to do? We're going to get all dressed up and go someplace.
And I'm like, honey, it's it's the white house and she's like yeah whatever uh so she's she first time she went to mar-a-lago was uh just a couple months ago this was her first time at the white house uh and uh i i know she had an amazing day but i you're right i would like to hear what she has to say about all the history stuff it's interesting unfortunately she said no no. Oh, did she say no? She won't come on the air? She won't come on the air.
Oh, call her back up. Call her back up right now.
Call her back up. I'll do it.
I like my job. I'm not going to.
You work for me, not for her. Oh, I don't know if that's true.
She's more important for sure. There's no doubt.
Call her up. She said no.
Just call her up. No means no, Glenn.
I'm calling her. I'm calling her on my...
I'm going to FaceTime her right now. This is a good idea.
I'm going to FaceTime her right now. Why? Why is this so dumb? I mean, I'm just saying she has expressed what her will is, and you are seemingly harassing her.
I'm not harassing her. She's at home right now.
She's at home. I can track her.
Oh, I'm tracking her. You can track her.
I can track her. There's a lot being uncovered right now.
There is. We're learning a lot about this relationship.
Is that? No. Here we go.
Here we go. Oh, yeah.
I wish she blocked him. That would have been the best.
She blocked me. Oh, I you're just she's listening and she's blocking me yeah because she doesn't want to come out she said specifically no she just did it again because she's not interested in you or what you want she's with her boyfriend she's with manuel the pew pool boy yeah we don't need i didn't even I know he had a poor boy, but that's who she's with her boyfriend.
She's with Manuel, the pool boy. I didn't even know we had a pool boy, but that's who she's with.
Unbelievable. Oh, I'm calling you.
I am calling you when you least expect it, honey. Expect it, I'll call you.
Can you describe how she felt about this? Was it different than previous? I mean, you've been... No, no, no, because I didn't even think of that.
I didn't even think about that. You didn't think about your wife's feelings.
No wonder she said no. She's blocking you.
I didn't think about it at all. No.
I mean, we were with each other, and I knew she had a great time, and we talked about it. But I didn't ask her, like, what did you think of the history part? You know? It's like, seriously, she's not into that.
You know? She is like, we are polar opposites. It's the reason why we have such a great marriage, because if we were the same, we'd destroy each other.
It would be bad. It would be bad.
And so we get along because she's just not interested in a lot of this stuff. She's not interested in politics, and she's not impressed by anything.
And I love her for that. She's the one that's kept me grounded because she's like, oh, really, Big Shot? Oh, yeah, that's really cool.
And I'm like, well, I thought it was. This is you being grounded? Wow.
I guess I'm sure she had a positive influence. All right.
Let's go to Chris in Texas. Maybe I'll find a friend there.
Hi, Chris. Hey, thanks for taking my call.
You bet. marriage tips from Hey, I wanted to say a great job on the interview last night.
You know, you know, getting President Trump unfiltered and kind of unbiased. I was listening with my 10 year old at dinner last night, you know, and it's really tough to get quality, truthful sources and, you know, especially for the kids.
Right. And so it was great to kind of see him, you know, in that, you know, where you, you were kind of not guiding him, but letting him be himself.
And it's a media kind of equated to the, during the campaign, uh, the Joe Rogan moment, no, where he did the interview for a couple hours. First time people really saw him, like, that's kind of what I thought about last night.
It's like, man, I've been waiting for an update for two or three months. Now I'm finally seeing it, you know? Wow.
Good. I'm glad you got that.
You know, when you're doing it, you have absolutely no idea. And even I'm watching it this morning and I was like, I don't know if that, I don't know what worked.
I don't know what didn't work. I don't know what people got out of it.
So I'm glad to hear that. Thank you.
Appreciate it, Chris. Let me go to Laura in Florida.
Hello, Laura. Hello, Glenn.
It was really excellent. I've been able to watch all of his interviews with all these different anchors and people and maybe missed a couple.
The nature of my professional life has made that possible. I was so struck by your command of the situation.
And I'm telling you, Trump trusts you. And I think that's why it went so well.
Your questions were spot on. There were pauses where no one was trying to talk over or interrupt him.
You found the moments. It was just a flow that I just had not seen yet.
I loved it. I thought it was most excellent.
And as you were saying earlier in the program, it really shows us who Donald Trump really is. And it told me a lot about you, too.
So I want to thank you for that. It was really, really excellent.
Well, great. Thank you, Laura.
I tell you, I wish—I'm going to go back and ask him if he'd do something different with me at the White House next time. Next time I go, I'm going to see if I can get some different kind of interview because you really didn't see the best parts of him.
You really didn't. I was allowed to.
And his staff even said, they said, as he was leaving, his staff said, he's not like this with other people. She said, he's like a kid in a candy store with you.
He's like all about history and just like, look at this, look at this. Cause he was taking me, I mean, he was literally almost like dragging me into places like, come on, come on, come on.
I got to show you this. It was so amazing to see how excited he was about the history of our country and preservation of our history.
He was just remarkable. Just remarkable.
I wish I could show that part of him to you. Pam in Texas.
Hi. Hi.
How are y'all doing this morning? I am good. How are you, Pam? I'm good.
I totally agree with the last caller, Laura. I thought it was one of the best interviews I've seen, and I've caught every one of them.
He was, he was, he was different with you. He was relaxed, and he was.
I can't really put my finger on it, but he just seemed to enjoy it, relish it, and I really thought it was one of the best interviews I've ever seen of anybody. Wow.
Wow. Thank you.
Yeah. I appreciate it.
Thank you. You're welcome.
I appreciate y'all doing that. And I can't wait for the next one.
Yeah. Thank you very much.
I, it was, it's so odd because I can't judge it. It's so odd.
I don't see, see did you see did you feel it was different than other interviews that you've seen with him are you sensing that because i just didn't it didn't it did it did feel more relaxed it felt more conversational it didn't feel like he was you know trying to get some agenda through i think he's legitimately trying to answer your questions and bring you through his thought process stop a couple of times that shocked me i was like i'm not prepared for you to stop you know what i mean because he he can talk and talk and talk oh yeah you know what i mean and uh he answered a few questions like okay go ahead come come back at me which i thought was interesting was the first time i think I've seen that with him. So maybe that was different.
Melanie in Florida. Hi, Melanie.
Y'all know how to make our day by making us laugh, and you seem pretty real too. And I sure did enjoy it that you addressed the tyrannical judicial insurrection.
That was one of my main concerns, and you showed us that he is totally aware of it and he knows his options and he just seemed in control of it. And I really appreciated that because that was one of the worst things that I was fearing.
Nothing was going to be done about that. So I want to thank you.
Did a really good job. Thank you.
You know, we were up in the Lincoln bedroom and we were talking about Lincoln.

And and he he looked at me at one point and he said, you know, you said that you don't like Jackson. Why don't you like Andrew Jackson? And I said, well, you know, trail of tears was not real good.
And he went, OK, good point. Good point.
And I said, and he was corrupt. You know, he would tell his friends, hey, by the way, I'm going to be seizing this Indian land and be auctioning off, you know, first come, first serve.
Maybe you should get down there. You know, it's going to happen tomorrow.
So he was enriching his friends. I said, so he's corrupt and dirty.
And he said, but the judicial part you were OK with. And I said, oh, yeah, with what he did with the judges, absolutely fine.
It's constitutional. Yes, I'm fine with that.
And he's like, yeah, that's the part that I really like. So he has been thinking about what do we do with these judges? And he's not going to, I didn't get the impression he's going there first.
He's going to ride it out and try to work the system as long as he can. And then if they just keep doing this, he's going to draw a line.
And he has the right constitutionally to do it. When you have somebody like Mike Lee, who is the least radical of anybody, I mean, I'm surprised the guy doesn't have a flat top haircut.
You know what I mean? He's like Mr. Leave it to Beaver 1950s.
He's so clean cut. But when he says this is judicial insurrection, you can pretty much bank on that, that it would have constitutional weight behind it if he acted that way.
And I was pleased to see that he has really thought deeply about it and constitutionally about it as well. Let me go to Bill.
Hi, Bill. Welcome.
Hey. Hi, Glenn.
I've got a little bit different take on your interview with the president yesterday. I thought even I'll start at the beginning where you did.
You spent the first five to seven minutes talking when you could have been asking the president questions. Okay, hold on just a second.
Let me take these one by one here. Okay.
If you've ever interviewed a president where you know you're going to ask tough questions, and you had told them that this was about the hundred days and the accomplishments that the administration has made. You better start with the accomplishments that the administration has made and and give them a little candy before you sour things up.
So that's the reason why I did spend about three, four minutes there at the beginning, making it very easy. but go ahead.
All right. And another part of it was Donald Trump kept going back to, oh, 2016, we had the greatest economy ever.
And I walked away with it thinking I didn't learn anything that I previously didn't know. And in addition, one of the biggies is the debt bomb, which he kind of danced around, but nothing.
And you briefly mentioned it with, hey, you started with $2 trillion, but you ended up with $150 billion. In cuts from Doge.
You're right. I didn't push him on that.
I wish I would have. I didn't push him on that i wish i would have i didn't push him on that okay that and the the other one was the pam bondy deal in the justice department so and let's use the teslas with it was supposed to be an act of terrorism we have somebody who apparently wait wait wait she is going after the tesla people.
That they are going after. I don't have a problem with what she's doing with the Tesla.
I'm worried about some of the other things that she has been ignoring. But tell me where...
I mean, she has been going against the Tesla. Where is she dropping the ball on that? Well, let's start with the JFK special when she announced that, hey, here's what we're going to do.

This is going to be a bombshell.

It's going to be this.

And nothing happened.

We haven't heard anything since then.

So let me, I did explain the Pan Bondi thing.

And the reason why I let him skate on that is because I have information from people who are around those individuals that I pushed before the interview. They were not connected to the White House.
And I pushed them beforehand, and I said, look, I am really concerned. My audience is very concerned.
If people don't start to go to jail for things that are legitimate, legitimately jail-worthy, if they're not prosecuted, my audience is really going to be upset. And I am, too.
Nothing will change if we don't clean this system up. And both in separate situations, both of them said, you don't understand Congress.
And it's the rhinos. Congress is holding back some of the people that they need as second and third ranks that have to be confirmed.
And Congress is saying, you know, we gave you everybody you wanted. You can wait.
We'll take our time on the rest of them. And they're holding them up until possibly even August.
And that's, that's, you can't do that. And so it's Congress.
And so I was stuck in this trap with him of pushing him into a place to where if that is the answer, he wasn't going to give me the answer because he was he was negotiating with Congress, I believe, on the big, beautiful bill. So the only answer I was going to get from him was, it's not Congress.
That's not what it is. And so what he gave me, and I accepted, because of the additional information I had, I accepted, he said, it's early.
Let them work. It's early.
What I interpreted that was. It's only April.
Yeah. What I interpreted that as is, they've got things they have to do first uh and i will come back to him you know you know if i talk to him again we have another sit down by the end of the year i will come back to him if nothing has changed and said okay it's not early anymore we've waited what's happening and bill it's just to summarize what you're saying here you're saying glenn was a miserable failure during the interview.
Is that correct? No, that's not what I was. See? Thank you, Bill.
You are a genius. You're a genius.
Bill, thank you very much. I hope that answered your question.
Did that help you? Yeah, it did. Yes, it did.
All right. Thanks, guys.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
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Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. Oh, my gosh.
I'm so excited. I get to talk to you.
I've talked to Rush Limbaugh. Wow.
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Now I get to talk to you. I've talked to Rush Limbaugh.
I've talked to Sean Hannity, Paul W. Smith, Frank Beckman.
Now I get to talk to you. Wow, there you go.
Thank you. Okay.
No, I'm actually talking to Stu. Thank you.
I love you. I love you.
You are great, Jennifer. All right, go ahead.
All right. Stu, you said earlier that President Trump looked relaxed.
I thought he looked very relaxed, and I loved his posture. But Glenn, I'm an artist like you, so I don't want to talk politics.
I want to talk about something else. What did you see art-wise that you didn't expect to see, that you've never seen before, or that struck you that it was hanging in that spot? I'm not talking about the Hillary.
Okay, so there's, yeah, no, there's a couple of things. First, the painting that I've seen in a picture, in a book a million times, a history book, of a young George Washington with, I think, his hand in his vest and a sword by his side.
You've seen it a million times, hanging over the fireplace of the Oval Office. It's been sitting in a closet for maybe 100 years.
It was amazing to see. A Jefferson painting that hasn't been seen in 150 years.
The way Donald Trump has moved the paintings around in the White House to tell the story of the presidents. The fact that I couldn't find one painting of George W.
Bush. I could find Barack Obama, but not one painting of George W.
Bush. That's interesting.
Very interesting. And the fact that the president hasn't liked a single portrait of his, and he gets two because it's a broken presidency.
First term, then another president, then his second term. He hasn't found the right portrait of him yet.
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Use the promo code Glenn and save 20 bucks. hi tanya hi hello how are you honey oh great yeah i know excited to be on tanya i'm so excited i can't even tell you she with showbiz.
I was waiting for it. I was waiting for the call, quite honestly.
I was like, why haven't they called me yet? So Sarah said she's less interested in hearing me talk about the experience of the White House and wants to hear more about you. Now, remember, you did sign a nondisclosure on some parts.
parts um but uh what what was your whole sarah what was it you wanted well i've known to tanya i i love you dearly don't take this out on me um but i've worked with glenn for 20 years he's talked about you so much and how you're never impressed with anything and he's like a kid in a candy store with that sort of stuff. So I was just wondering how you considered it.
Was it impressive at all? Was it something that you... Oh, my gosh.
Yeah, it was unbelievable. Just being in the Oval Office was amazing.
I've never been in the office before. And so that was just walking in there was so humbling.
And, you know, just keep pinching myself because I couldn't really believe I was there. And then getting the tour after the interview was phenomenal.
I think the last time I was there was in a high school trip, and we actually could go into the White House at that point and didn't see very much. But what we saw yesterday was phenomenal.
What'd you think of him? Oh, he's great. I mean, he's, he's a normal, regular guy.
You know, he's very intimidating at first when you meet him, but he just makes you feel comfortable. And how do you mean he's intimidating when you first meet him? What does that mean? Well, he's the president of the United States for heaven's sake.
I mean, my gosh, yeah. Like a huge responsibility.
No, I know you know that's why he says he'll say to me from time to grandpa he'll say to me from time to time he'll be like why didn't you call me and i'm like because you're the president of the united states you don't just call him hey don what are you doing you know that's like yeah right you know yeah i get that what do you think of the history that he i mean in his grasp of his history. Yeah, it's like, you know.
Yeah. I get that.
What did you think of the history that he, I mean, and his grasp of his history? Yeah, he knows his stuff. It's clear.
Pretty amazing. He studied and he knows, yeah, the history, the presidents, you know, what they did, the kind of people they were.
Yeah, really amazing. Did you sense any hesitation on anything that we talked about on, you know,

on where he was going or that you felt like,

I felt a little weird about that?

No.

No.

He was clear.

He was really clear on everything.

So you were impressed by where your husband took you yesterday i was yeah it was great it was awesome yeah were you impressed by your husband or by beating donald trump you know right there close second right behind him yeah right he did great interview is great. He did a great job.

Who was behind who was I right behind Donald Trump?

I think that's clear.

Glenn,

we didn't need any clarification.

I love you,

sweetheart.

I love you.

Thank you.

Love you,

Sarah.

Love you back.

All right.

I mean,

I didn't get any love,

but whatever,

you know,

that was good.

I mean,

it's nice that you can get your wife on the phone now. Thank you.
That's good. Thank you.
So she's the one I can still kind of get on the phone from time to time. From time to time.
It's a good booking by you. Yeah, thank you.
Congratulations. Thank you.
You know, somebody called up and said that they felt that I was nervous in the interview. I wasn't nervous at all.
I thought there was a couple. I had that feeling a couple times.
That I was nervous? Yeah. Like, I don't know.
I mean, it's I had two different feelings actually about the tariffs. Because you brought up the tariffs and you said, look, I don't like tariffs.
We've talked about that before. And then you started going into any kind of like he went, he started explaining explaining why he thought they were necessary and you kind of like just gave ground on it i didn't think you really push three times you did but sheepishly each time i thought i thought it was sheepish he's the president of the united i had a 30 minute conversation with him on terrace where i pushed him to the wall i remember he's not He's not changing.
No, he's not. And he's the president.
And he actually, towards the end, he said, you'll like him. In a year, we'll have another interview, and you'll tell me that you like him.
And I said, I've been wrong with you before, and I hope to be wrong again. You did.
It's funny, because my initial reaction was you didn't, because you kind of got into this setup of, I don't really like tariffs, but I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. That was kind of your concept.
of it. And you got in the middle of it because you kind of got into this setup of you know i don't really like tariffs but

i'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that was kind of your concept and you got in the middle of any kind of interrupted you and and went on to a point about why he thought tariffs were important and you did bring it up a couple of times and my first inclination was like you didn't really fight him on it and then i my second instinct was i i will say i mean i've seen a lot of interviews, especially with people on the right with Donald Trump about this topic. And it was more pushback than I've seen from anybody, really, to be honest with you, at least mentioned that.
And I thought it must be difficult at the White House, in the Roosevelt Room, sitting with the president of the United States to be like, you know, this particular policy is not my favorite. must be that must be it was there any level with donald trump i mean donald trump you know he he will go for people who don't like his policies and he will push them to the wall and in a good spirited way and try to figure out why yeah but like uh zelensky if If you've had conversation and it's already decided you know don't keep fighting don't keep fighting me on it because you're going to get the same answer over and over again and then you're going to become a pest and then it's like what are you doing you know what i mean yeah i mean you weren't trying to have some big adversarial argument but you did want to do so there's to get the context but i will tell you this is one of the and i haven't told him this yet.
I'm waiting for the right opportunity to tell them this because I think he'll really appreciate it. But I don't know how to tell him this story.
We were in Mar-a-Lago. Stop me if I've told this story before.
We were in Mar-a-Lago and he invited, you know, I'm just doing an interview and he's like, you having dinner tonight? What are you doing for dinner? I said, I think we're all going to McDonald's. And he said, no, no, no.
Come on, have dinner with me in Mar-a-Lago. Now, Mar-a-Lago is a jacket.
I'm in a jacket, but everybody else in the crew is in like, you know, black pants and a black T-shirt, you know, their crew. And I said, well, Mar-a-Lago? And he said, yeah.
And I said, I kind of pointed at everybody. And he's like, no, everybody.
So he invited everybody to have dinner on him at Mar-a-Lago? And he said, yeah. And I said, I kind of pointed at everybody and he's like, no, everybody.
So he invited everybody to have dinner on him at Mar-a-Lago. So really nice.
So we're all sitting at this table and he comes by and he says, we're looking at the menu. And he says, Glenn, you got to have the Salisbury steak.
Have I told you the story? Got to have the Salisbury steak. And I said, okay.
Now I don't really like Salisbury's. I remember having salisbury steak have i told you the story gotta have the salisbury steak and i said uh okay now i don't really like salisbury's i remember having salisbury steak when it was like in the tv dinner kind of thing you know and i was like uh okay and he's like no trust me you and me look at us we like the same kind of food i was like i think he just called me fat and uh he said you love it you love everybody tells me.
Everybody tells me the Salisbury steak, best they've ever had. I'm like, okay, well, I'm a Salisbury steak.
So I order the Salisbury steak and I eat it. And everybody's waiting at the table.
They're like, well, well, how's a Salisbury steak? And I went, meh. And they're like, what? And I said, yeah, I mean, it's not bad, but it's not, you know, the greatest Salisbury steak.
I don't know what is the greatest Salisbury steak in the world. Not your favorite dish.
It was not bad, but it was meh. And who was talking about it? And I said, you know what it is? Because he said, everybody tells me it's the greatest Salisbury steak in the world.
I said, nobody is willing to tell him that it's meh. You know what I mean? He'll recommend it, and then and then he'll come back and say what'd you think and they'll say it was great so nobody has the balls to tell him because he's the president of the united states right and he right then comes to the table what'd you think of the salisbury steak best i've ever had done i mean that's really what i said and i was as it was coming out of my mouth i'm like oh my god I'm one of those people I can't tell him the truth about a stupid Salisbury steak so he still thinks if you're going to Mar-a-Lago meh meh no matter what he says meh but I guarantee you if you order it and he asks you you'll tell him it's the best you've ever had guaranteed so I thought I did pretty good no you did i think you did it was a good interview it's not easy it was a good interview and it was enjoyable to watch i think by the way it's on youtube tonight uh youtube.com is it blaze tv or is it glennbeck do you know glennbeck okay so go to go there go to one of those and you'll uh you'll find the interview tonight or you can go to blaze tv blaze tv.com slash glenn promo code glenn save 20 bucks it was a good interview though you went through kind of every big topic and covered a lot of what they went through but you don't it's hard with him especially it was interesting because i feel like earlier interviews you've done with him you would ask a question and he would kind of i wouldn't say filibuster is the right term exactly it's just kind of who he is he.
He goes on and he kind of goes to his thing. He was much more willing to have a conversation.
Yeah. Like he stopped a couple of times when I thought he was going to kind of go on a rant and let you follow up and everything.
And I think that led to getting to a good amount of stuff rather than, you know, two questions and the things over. I thought it was good.
I mean, that must have been a cool experience.

I asked him after the cameras were off because I just I've wanted to tell him this story because I didn't know if he remembered.

I mean, I knew he knew, but I didn't know if he connected. I said, is it ironic to you that when Nikolai Tesla died, your uncle, John G.
Trump, who was at MIT, was asked by the government to come in and go through his papers to see which is good and which is dangerous. What could be shipped back with him to his home for his museum and his library and which needed to stay classified.
And here you are now working with the new Tesla. You're working with a guy who brought the name Tesla even back, and he is our generation's Tesla, and now you're working with him.
I said, have you ever seen the irony in that? And he just lit up and said, you know, he likes it when people know stories that nobody knows, you what i mean and he said uh yeah let me tell you about my uncle and he just shot an extra i don't know five minutes they were yelling at him about the you know national security council is waiting i'm getting dirty looks for even asking it and he's he's like yeah i want to tell and his whole staff is like oh. I mean, there might be a war that breaks out.
Can you just let him go do his work, please? And so we have that as an extra. And then I also gave a tour of the Roosevelt Room as we were setting up.
Because it's just the White House. I wish people could really take tours of the White House.

You can't.

I mean, you can take a tour of the White House, but I wish you could take the tour I took with him.

It's a remarkable building.

And unlike the other places that are being treated like trash in Washington, D.C. now, the national.

I was in the Smithsonian in the Portuary, I think it's Portuary. I can't remember.
It's one of the museums, art museums. And it was, I mean, it looked like it hasn't been cleaned since, you know, 1872.
It was just in horrible shape. And it's just, it's disgusting the way it's all been taken care of.
And it's all woke now. And I talked to the president off that we were talking about art.
And I said, the woke art. He's like, right? He's like, it's just garbage.
And I'm like, you know, maybe some people appreciate it, but I just, I can't take, I can't take it in your face as look how bad America has been. Look how bad America is.
And he said, yeah, we're changing all that. Just takes time.
This takes time. How many presidents have you interviewed now? Reagan, GW, GHW, Trump.
So every Republican president since Reagan. Yeah.
Hmm. That's kind of cool yeah it is it is i mean uh you know i again i wouldn't put you in the radio hall of fame for it but it's something okay let me talk to you about patriot mobile you're part of a network i don't mean just with your cell phone i mean you're part of a network of human beings people the kind that still say a pledge and stand for the flag and teach their kids what the Constitution is.
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More next. welcome to the glennbeck program glad you're here glenn we had a comment come in from a listener there is no E or I at the end of Nikola in the name Nikola Tesla.

You keep calling him Nikolai or like Nikolai Chichescu, but that is not his name.

No, he...

Nikola.

No.

Nikola Tesla.

No, he's Chichescu.

He is?

He killed a bunch of people in orphanages.

Really?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

I don't remember that detail.

Yeah.

Who expects me

to get a name right on this program what do you know is this your first day it's true you've never i've never it's never that's not on my resume is one of my strengths okay no no in fact even people that you know i mean you know how many times how many times has jason betrill been on the program over the years? I don't know who that is, but it usually happens when Jason Buttril is in the room, and you'd think you'd know his name. You're really pissing me off right now.
You're just pissing me off. I just want you to know.
Thanks. And there you have it.
Another example of why Glenn Beck is in the Radio Hall of Fame. That and who isn't stew that's true i've never interviewed zero presidents no you're with me the first time the first time we interviewed george hw bush we were together and you were vomiting blood that one i was really vomiting blood on you know since then you've done uh others...
Others. Yeah, you've certainly Trump.
And like, you know, again, and Trump I think has a different vibe to him. It's much more, I think, welcoming.
I mean, we've talked to him obviously several times, but it's still your interview. And same thing with George H.W.
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This is the Glenn Beck Program. Well, I'm pleased to have a good friend in studio, Andrew Klavan.
He's the host of The Andrew Klavan Show. And he's the author of a book, I'm too stupid to understand.
It's the Kingdom of Cain. I can say that because he's a friend and he'll talk down to me without, you know, without any loss of friendship.
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Andrew Klavan, host of the Andrew Klavan program, the Andrew Klavan Show. How are you, sir? I'm good.
It's good to see you. Good to see you.
It's been a message. I don't think I've seen you out of your element.
I don't think ever. Yes, I've been here many times to this studio.
Have you? Yeah, sure. Really? Well, they're memorable.
I get this reaction a lot. Who are you again? No, I just love you.
I just love you. And you, I got to tell you, the best compliment I can give you is your son is remarkable.
He's a remarkable guy. And, you know, I hope someday somebody will say that about my children.
Claven 2.0. Yeah, really remarkable.
You did it. You and your wife are amazing parents.
Oh, well, thank you. So tell me about The Kingdom of Cain and talk down to me.
It's a really simple book and very entertaining because it's about the movies that we all love, like the silence of the land. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.
He says this. Let me read this to you, Stuart, and see if you understand what this is.
Sure. The Kingdom of Cain looks at three murders in history, including the first murder, Cain's killing of his brother, Abel, and at the art created from imaginative engagement from those horrific events by artists ranging from Dosyevsky to Hitchcock.
To make beauty out of the world as it is shot through with evil and injustice and suffering, it is the task not just of the artist, but Klavan argues of every life rightly lived. Examining how the transformation occurs in art grants us a vision on how Can Happen in Our Lives.
What's this book about? I don't know what you're missing. That was perfect.
I'll tell you, I'm a crime writer, right? I write mystery and suspense. I get this letter all the time, constantly.
It says, you call yourself a Christian, that part is true, and yet you write about horrific things. You write about murder, you write about prostitutes and gangsters and all this stuff.
Why do you do that? And the reason is very simple. I believe that God is a central fact of reality.
And I believe that any artist who speaks truthfully about reality will speak about God. And so what I did was I took three murders, three very famous murders, and I showed how they inspired works of art over and over and over again.
Not just one work of art, but they kept coming back and those works of art inspired other works of art. And how those works of art actually speak about something that happens to a society when it begins to lose its faith, as our society has certainly done.
And they chart those works of art, and some of them are just,

some of them are like the stupidest little horror movie,

and yet the guy who was making that horror movie

understood what he was talking about

and can show you,

if you go back, for instance,

and watch a slasher movie like Halloween,

which is actually quite a good little scary movie,

it actually is about the fall of the end of faith

and how that destroys sexual responsibilities so that it takes place in a suburb. Wait, wait, wait.
Have you seen it? Yeah, I've seen it. It takes place in a suburb where there are no moms and the dads are very weak.
And this knife-wielding crazy man comes back and basically prays on kids having sex while nobody's watching them. And it's a very, very stark picture.
I'll bet if you asked the director what he was doing, he would tell you that because it's right in the movie when you notice it, but you have to be watching for it. And the thing is, these movies are, not just movies, but novels, the arts, really reveal the conscience of a culture.
And so taking the way that they look at murder tells us things that are bad about our culture, but it also tells us about ways that we want to go in the future. The role, for instance, of psychiatrists in these films.
Most of these films are based on murder committed by Ed Gein in the 1950s, a guy in Wisconsin who used to kill women, right? And then dress up as in their bodies, just like in Silence of the Lambs. That inspired Psycho.
It inspired a really good horror movie called The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Even though it's a crazy title, it's actually a good movie.
The Silence of the Lambs, all of these movies grow out of that one murder. And what's it about? It's about confusion, about sexual, about gender, you know? We don't see a lot of that going around nowadays.
But in fact, it's everywhere. And these things were happening.
These movies were being made in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s and on. And so they were predicting, as art often does, what was going to happen and explaining why.
So do you think Alfred Hitchcock knew that this was coming? Or was he just making a good, he was a good storyteller? If you are a good storyteller, who was it? T.S. Eliot said a great poet writes himself, and in writing himself, he writes his time.
And I think that that's what happens. These artists basically bring something out of themselves, but it reveals where we all are, and that reveals where we're going, right? If you see where we are, you can tell where we're going.
And that's why the book does not just concentrate on the darkness. It actually says, well, what do you do? How do you react? Now that we know what's happening, how do you react to those things in a creative, joyful way? Because this is what, look, the Bible doesn't say things are going to be great, right? The Bible says, yeah, if God comes, we crucify.
And yet at the same time, it says rejoice evermore. And so one of the things that really bothers me about Christian movies is they don't really represent life.
They're all, if you do a Christian movie that has real things in it, you get slammed. Why would you put that in? Why was there sex? Why was there violence? Why was there murder? One of the major influences that turned me to Christ when I was 19 years old, it took three decades to kick in, but it was reading Crime and Punishment, the great novel by Dostoevsky about an axe murder and about a prostitute who basically turns this axe murderer's life around.
If you walked into a Christian bookstore today and said, can I have that book about the axe murderer and the hooker? You know, they'd look at you they would look at you like you were nuts. But because Dostoevsky was a great artist and a great Christian, one of the truly deep and interesting Christians in history, he revealed something about the philosophies that were rising up at that time and that are still with us today, the philosophies that later became spoken out by Nietzsche, and Nietzsche affected all of the leftist philosophers that you and I love so much and have done so many good things through our society.
So let's pretend somebody didn't read that by Dossievsky, or whatever his name is, and tell us the story and exactly what he was teaching. Well, the idea was that God is dead, God is gone, and therefore, instead of having this horrible Christian philosophy that is nice to the poor and the weak and has charity and compassion, we need strong special men like Napoleon, for instance, who are going to make their own law.
And this man in the story, Crime and Punishment, says, well, if I can make my own law, I can murder somebody and it won't be a sin, it won't be wrong. And then he actually accomplishes this murder and finds, oh, wait, oh, wait, I have actually shattered the moral order and now my life is spiraling out of control.
Now, Nietzsche wrote his philosophy, which was the exact philosophy in this book, after Dostoevsky wrote the novel. And then his philosophy inspired two murderers in America named Leopold and Loeb.
This was called the crime of the century, the crime of the 20th century. I don't remember that.
I know. Nobody remembers it now, but it was one of the biggest crimes of the century.
It inspired countless movies and television shows. It was two kids.
They were rich, gay, Jewish kids in the suburbs. What year? This is 19, I want to say 30 or 40.
Okay. Yeah.
Yeah yeah, it was the 30s. I'm sorry.
And they decided, well, we're supermen like Nietzsche. They read Nietzsche and they thought, yes, this is what we want to be, one of them.
And we're going to commit the perfect murder just to show that we can do it. And so they just picked a kid at random who they knew and took him out and killed him.
This is Rope. Exactly.
Exactly. And Rope became the Hitchcock film and also inspired Compulsion is another movie, is almost a true movie about it.
And it just pops up again and again, two people who say, we're going to commit the perfect murder because we're superior. If you look for it, you'll find it in one story after another.
And it's based on the idea that there's no God and therefore anything is permissible and strong men have to make the rules that's one of the best movies of hitchcock and nobody even knows it um great movie from hitchcock and great movie with jimmy stewart yep i mean just really and and disturbing and written the original play was written by the guy who also wrote a play called gaslight which is where we get oh my gaslighting. And so I talk all about these works of art and these works of movies.
And listen, I think it's an entertaining book, Glenn. So I will read it.
I love your work. I love your work.
I mean, you know, most people, if you don't know who Andrew Klavan is, you've written movies. I mean, you've written some just thrilling novels and novels that have been made into movies.
And I'm a huge, huge fan. but I mean, you've written some just thrilling novels and novels that have been made into movies.
And I'm a huge, huge fan. But, I mean, you know, you are talking to mice here.
Well, I try to just make it about things that people like and enjoy. So what is the lesson that we learn from all of this? I think the most important lesson, if I can call it that in the book, is that beauty has something to do with the answer to evil.
You know, one of the things that keeps people from believing in God, they say there's so much evil in the world. How can a good God allow this evil to exist? And at the end of the book, the last third of the book, which is a very personal statement about what I do to basically live joyfully in a world that I can see as evil, it ends with looking at the Pieta, the statue by Michelangelo, that is one of the most beautiful works of sculpture on Earth.
It's beautiful. But think about what it's about, Glenn.
It's about a mother with her dead son. It is about a world with a dead God.
It is the worst moment in human history. And yet Michelangelo, a man, made it beautiful.
And my question at the end of the book is, if a man can take that misery, that suffering, that evil, and turn it into beauty, what can God do with the world that we're living in now when he works in the marble of eternity?

And so I work my way to that point by going through the movies that we watch and the stories that we read and why we're so fascinated with murder. You know, think about true crime.
This is what this is about. It's about true crime.
Why are we? Because it is the borderline where you cannot say there's something right about this. It's the place where we suddenly realize that the moral order has its gray points, but it also has a very stark black line.
So explain to me why shows like, let's say, Yellowstone are so satisfying because you're kind of like seeing that guy take into the train station. You know what I mean? Yep.
You know that it's wrong, but you're kind of in there. You know what I mean? You're kind of like, you know, and you feel, at least I do.
I mean, I'm sure a lot of people watching, they're like, ah, that's fine. I watch it.
I'm like, I don't like the fact that I kind of, I'm rooting for them. That's the, I think the best art does that to you.
It makes you think like, yeah, I'm really enjoying this, but that actually tells me something about myself that now I have to go and think about. And that's what art – see, a lot of people think that art is like a sugar pill that they use to give you a little lesson in life, a little parable sort of.
But I don't think that's what it is at all. I think it's an experience that you really can't have in your life that broadens the way you look at life broadens your view of humanity and so when you get christian stories like god is not dead i don't want to pick on anybody but still you get you're gonna pick on them i'll pick on them the guy is hit by a car and everybody says well at least he was saved and i think really we can't just say you can't call his wife first and say this is a sad moment you know that we that we grieve when people die.
We can't say we're horrified by death and afraid, you know. So I want Christian art that deals with life in a real way that shows people are afraid and people have evil thoughts and people want to justify murder.
And there are moments when we all sort of think, look, if you go off into a room by yourself and ask, how can I make the perfect world? Within two minutes, so help me, you will be committing mass murder in your mind. You'll be saying, well, first I got rid of these people because these people can't be reformed.
You will wipe them out, right? And so that's who we all are. And when we start to see that, I believe that that's actually a layer on top of who we really are.
I believe who we really are is who Christ wants us to be, this loving person. And so that's the question.
How do you get through that layer? And so that's what artists do for us. They show us our true selves and they lead our conscience to the place that it's supposed to go.
All right. Our natural soul is who Christ wants us to be to be right and then we're encapsulated in this flesh and the natural man is an enemy to that that's right and it's the battle back and forth and that's the and that's what art is right that battle that's where drama comes from that's where tragedy comes from you know one of the stories i mentioned in the kingdom Kingdom of Cain isbeth, because it's such a great story about murder.
And it ends with the most beautiful speech about nihilism, about things, nothing makes sense, nothing is worth anything, right? Life is a tale told by an idiot. But because you're watching the play, you understand that Shakespeare's not saying that.
A guy who has detached himself from the moral order is saying that. He's lost the meaning of life because he's detached himself from the meaning of life.
And so studying murder and writing art about murder takes you to the most serious questions about who we are and who we really are and what we really want and how we, you know, that inner battle that goes on, which is, to me, the source of drama. So I'm going to come back and take a one-minute break.
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so doing this kind of research on a history art murder societal uh mischief you have to have seen the patterns that keep repeating where are we in this in this cycle i think we're at a hinge point i think this is the most important moment in the culture in either of our lifetimes. I agree with that.
Yeah.

I think that a very natural, you know, people have to follow, people in general, if you

take them as the big picture, they have to follow an idea to its furthest extent.

And basically when Newton said, you know, things don't actually work by magic.

Things bump into each other and move around.

It was very natural to extrapolate from that, to move on from that and say, well, we don't

really need a God.

We've got this clockwork.

It just kind of moves itself.

I'm not going to need God to create people. They just kind of grow up out of this accidental process that goes on.
Now, that idea doesn't really make sense. And Newton didn't believe it, certainly.
But it had to work itself out. And it took centuries.
And over those centuries, our faith has vanished. It has disappeared.
Even the people who believe don't really believe in the way people believed when they believed. Right.
You know, they don't actually see God everywhere, which is my big argument about if there's God, you can see him. Everywhere.
Everything is the expression of his nature. Everything is a breadcrumb leads to him.
Right. But the thing is, the science is now about 100 years behind because the science has changed.
And one of the things that even the greatest theoretical physicists have said is there is a spirit behind matter. There must be – our minds create part of reality.
So there must have been a mind to create reality. We begin to find that actually the world looks a lot like the Bible said it does.
It's a big surprise. And so a lot of those people who were saying, you know,

I think the Bible has more truth in it than people say it does, were absolutely right.

Now, because we lost that, we lost even a sense that our bodies meant something. So you say like,

oh, here's a little girl. If I cut her up and make her into a make-believe man,

she'll be a man. If I castrate this child, I can make them into a little girl.
That's an insane thing to say. I mean, that's not even a rational thing to say, but it actually makes sense if there's no God.
If there's no God and we are just bodies, just pieces of flesh, then why not turn a male body into a female body and call it a girl? The answer to my friend Matt Walsh's question, what is a woman, is actually a spiritual answer.

It's not a physical answer.

A woman is something, what a soul becomes when she's born with a woman's body.

You know, that is something real.

And so if we don't start talking about spirit again, I mean, I think all of us,

everybody uses terms like it's an adrenaline rush or it's, you know, as if the chemical were causing our experience. But the chemical is just a messenger bringing the experience to the body.
If we can start to learn that actually our faith was real and see the world that way again, this will be one of the great turning points in the right direction. And in fact, we will make America great again.
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We're with uh andrew clavin host of the andrew clavin show you can hear it on the daily wire watch it on the daily wire uh he's also the author of a book called the kingdom of cain how to how we can find god through life's darkest moments i think that's the only way you can find god exactly yeah exactly i, exactly. I mean, I went through some of the darkest things.
I mean, I would not wish my life on anybody, you know, the bad parts of my life on anybody. But it is because of that I am who I am today.
It's because of that my relationship with God is much different and much deeper. See, this is why I think good Christian art is so important because I had a character in one novel, True Crime, who said, you have to believe in a God of the sad world.
And this was before I became a Christian, because if you don't believe in a God of the sad world, the sadness is going to kill you. If you think, you know, those guys who preach prosperity, that everything's going to go great if you just believe.
Then when you hit that wall, that wall of suffering that Christ knew about and talks about and tells you it's coming, then suddenly you lose your faith. You think, I got shortchanged.
And so I really want art. I want art that's just honest, that just shows you life as it is, because I think God will speak through that.
I think even artists who don't believe create holy art if they are truthful. You know, a lot of them aren't, but when they are, you will find God in art.
And I think the arts, in some ways, the arts have taught me almost as much about God as theology has because we live in an authored world. You know, we live in a world that is a work of art in a sense.
It is a creation. I was in one of the art, Smithsonian Art Museum, American art and portraiture.
And I'm so sick of the woke stuff. I am so sick of the woke stuff.
Well, this is one of the things I really like about Trump is that he's the first president to notice it and to sort of say, we got to get a new guy in the Smithsonian. We got to get a new guy at the National Gallery, which I'm in all the time.
I'm in that museum constantly. And all of our president's homes have been taken over by these people.
I'm interested in how the slaves lived at Mount Vernon, but I'm not at Mount Vernon because George Washington lived there. And that's the main thing you want to hear about.
I mean, these are great men who lived in their times. And like all of us, they partook of the violence and evil of their times, as we all do.
I mean, I can't believe the same people who say slavery is so bad and I would have stood up against it. Really? Show me your iPhone.
Take out your iPhone, will you? Because that's the same damn thing. And where do you stand on abortion? That the other thing too yeah i mean it's uh don't don't lecture me about people 200 years ago when you're doing the same thing if you say you would stay stand you would have stood up against slavery then why aren't you standing up against it now just by saying i will not buy any products from china this is the introduction to the kingdom of cane so help me this is exactly yes what it says is we.
You know, you know, that movie, The Zone of Interests, where the guy it's about a guy who's running a death camp as a true based on a true story about a guy running a death camp and he lives in a little beautiful little house right off the death camp with his wife and his kid. Yeah.
We talked about it. It's an amazingly haunting story.
And I say at the beginning of The Kingdom of Cain, we all live in the zone of interest. We're all living in a nice little house knowing we're surrounded by evil and not really, we're not really doing anything about it.
You know, people like you and I, we speak up about it. We have conscience and all this stuff.
But we know this stuff. I have an iPhone.
I know where it's coming from. I know.
Yeah. I beat myself up about this all the time, Andrew.
It's like, you know, you think you do so much and then you really haven't. You really haven't.
I mean, you're letting. Because this is the nature of the world.
That's why when they say rejoice over more, you think like, wait, now? Like now am I supposed to? Yes, now. And that's why, for instance, when people get up and say, oh, we're standing on land owned by the Indians.
I think, well, if you're not giving it back, you don't have to bring it up. You're right.
Exactly right. Exactly right.
It's not doing anybody any good. And you know what? I'd just like to point out, they stole it from somebody else.
I mean, it's the way it keeps happening. This is the nature of the world.
Yeah, yeah. Tell me where we are as a society.
Where are we? Well, I always laugh about you and me because you're like the mask of tragedy. I'm like the mask of comedy.
I'm always hopeful.

And this is a hopeful moment.

I'm kind of appalled at the way, not the way the left.

We know how the left is going to cover Trump.

He's Hitler.

He's the worst thing ever.

But I'm a little bit appalled about the way the right is covering Trump as if everything he does has to work today.

Because China is a slave state, Xi can sit around and say, the president of China can sit around and say, I've got a 20-year plan we're going to institute to take over the world. And everybody goes, yes, sir, that's what we'll do.
Like with Trump, it's supposed to work by the end of business day today. I know, I know.
And if your stock is worth a little bit less. And they even bring up things like, oh, retirees.
Yeah, because retirees are on a clock. But if you are doing what Trump is trying to do, which is rejigger our economy so that we can stand up to China in the years to come, that's a big thing to do.
You know, to pluck out this cancer of bureaucracy that has basically overridden the Constitution is not easy. And I hear people saying, oh, these people are being fired and it's sad.
And yeah, it is. I call this teardrop news.
You know, there's always somebody who's being hurt. But that bureaucracy is the worst thing in this country.
You know, it is just a terrible, it has glued the gears of democracy together. And I think that, you know, it's not that the bureaucrats themselves are all bad.
That's ridiculous.

Some of them are lovely people doing as good a job as they can.

But the structure where the Senate and the House. You know, it's not that the bureaucrats themselves are all bad.
That's ridiculous. Some of them are lovely people doing as good a job as they can.

But the structure where the Senate and the House do nothing and just say, yeah, that agency is going to take care of it. That's horrible.
That's a recipe for slavery. And he's trying to get rid of it.
And so Elon Musk is now a supervillain, you know, instead of one of the most creative people. Do we make it? I mean, because it's, I don't know how you get to a place from here where, you know, we all know and even the president knows I don't have this moving in the right direction in the next 18 months.
Yeah, we're done. Right.
So I think like I remember Reagan came in and when you try to get rid of the kind of inflation stagflation we had yet, you have to increase unemployment. And so Reagan was not that popular in the first year.
But by – and I think he lost in the midterms. He lost in the midterms.
He did. But by the time his first term was over, he won like every – there was like three guys who didn't vote for him.
I mean, he really was a landslide. And so I'm kind of hoping that's going to happen this time.
I actually have a small bet. And I've been right a lot about Trump after I kind of caught on to who he was.
I have a small bet he's going to win the midterms. And I think that that is going to be a really interesting turn of events.
So if he wins the midterms, look out. Yeah, I think it'll be really exciting.
Why do you say that? Because I think the things that he's doing are right, but I don't think they're instantaneous. I think that he is actually on the right track.
We should be, you know, people say, oh, he's got tariffs. Tariffs are bad.
And you think, well, if tariffs are bad, why are they on us? You know, if it's such a great thing to have a trade deficit, how come no one else has one except us? How come they're not fighting for a trade deficit as well? So I think what he's trying to say is that World War II is a long time ago. You know, after World War II, not only were our enemies in ruins, but our competitors were in ruins.
So it was, you know, it was great. It was easy pickings.
And even a little bit, we got a little bit of that hit after the Soviet Union came down. But those days are done.

We have to compete in the market of nations. And that doesn't work if Europe is sitting around going, oh, we have health care.
We don't have to protect ourselves from China and Russia. America will do that for us.
Those savages don't have health care so they can afford to take care of us. Well, no, that's not the way it's going to work anymore.
We can't be in a situation where China, we can fight China as long as China will sell us the bullets basically. You think like, nah.
Are Americans adult enough to? Well, after a generation of watching superhero movies, I do not know. That is something that really bothers me.
Somebody once asked me, why do you hate superhero movies?

And I say, because there's no sex and death in them.

And that's kind of what life is about, you know.

And I don't know.

You know, this is a time, I'm going to say this, I'll probably be hit by some bolt of

lightning.

This is a time for men.

This is a time when men have to stand up and say, yes, it is sad that people are being

fired, but this is what has to be done. Yes, it's sad that the stock market is dropping for a little while, but this is what has to happen.
This is the kind of thing that men say to women, basically, to calm them down, and we go forward. And when I say women, I mean journalists.
I think that this is a time for that kind of cool, calm, collected idea that certain steps have to be taken. That's what the president said to me yesterday.
Is it really? Yeah. Well, there you go.
He said it has to be done. Yeah.
And he said, if I don't do it, I don't see anybody on the horizon that will. He said, I'm willing to do it.
This is why. Yeah.
Yeah. This is why Trump is Trump.
Yeah. It has to be done.
Yeah. And he's right.
And I, you know, I had somebody who is, you know, in the vicinity of, you know, our economy. And I don't want to out them for saying anything, but they were in the vicinity of our economy and would know.
And I talked to them before the Trump interview and I said, you know, I have a feeling that people don't really understand how much trouble we're really in, you know, because no president has told you the truth. Nobody's told you the truth.
All it was like, oh, no, we can just keep living this way. No, we can't.
We can't. And I said, I think we're at the end of this and trump knows it and he's trying

to change everything and i said and i feel if he fails we're out and the individual reached out and put their hand on my shoulder now this is somebody who is you know right in the mix put their hand on my shoulder and looked me in the eye and said no glenn we're done like i when i said we're done wasn't deep enough

of the understanding. No, Glenn.

We are done. Like I, when I said we're done, wasn't deep enough of the understanding.
No, no, Glenn, we are done. If this doesn't work.
And I don't think people have that understanding yet. We're playing for very high stakes and there is no way to pull away from the table.
Our chair has been pushed in by us for too long. We have not been willing to put our chips down on the table and let the game just keep going and us not really playing for it now it's now we have a serious player down at the table saying you know we're going to lose everything unless i play and you trust me as a card player right now to read the room right and take our money back off the table.
Otherwise, we're folding and we're out. Yeah, because, I mean, this was the revelation of COVID, right? The revelation of COVID was our elites don't know what they're doing, and they don't care about the things they said they care about.
Yes. And they lie to us, and they want us to be quiet.
And basically, that's the end of the country. That's the end of what America is.
And in order to get that country back, part of it is economic. I mean, you know, nobody talks about, well, that's not true.
People are talking about it now. Women aren't having babies.
And people are killing themselves from despair so much that for a while until a few months ago, it was bringing down life expectancy because people were taking drugs and drinking themselves to death. And so that's not a good society, right? That's not the 1950s anymore.
This is not that time. My wife and I were walking down the street of Washington, D.C.
yesterday or two days ago. And this guy comes up on a bike, black man on a bike, probably 30 years old, looks normal enough.
And he's just he rides and then he starts circling us on the one of these big sidewalks and he starts shouting at us i'm gonna kill me a white man today i'm gonna kill me a white man today i promised myself today was the day i was gonna kill me a white man and he keeps circling he looks at me and what he doesn't realize i have two other people that are behind us with guns, and that's not going to happen today, Jack. But he was just, I don't know what he was doing.
Was he psychotic? Was he pushed by society? I don't know what that was. I don't know what that was.
But that's happening everywhere. Well, when you see all the homelessness, they make believe it's because they don't have enough houses.
But that's not true. That's almost all mental illness and drug use.
I mean, I think we're living, we have lived through a mentally ill century. I think the things that people say, the things that they believe are nuts.
And I think if we don't start to say, you know, I mean, you kind of see it with the Democrats as they scramble to get back power. And they say, the first thing we have to do is we have to bring back a gang member from prison and import him back into the country because of the horrible thing that we're doing this.
You say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, the Constitution is not a suicide pact.
We're not doing that. Exactly right, exactly right.
Andrew, thank you so much. It's great to see you.
Always good to see you. Andrew Klavan, host of The Andrew Klavan Show.
You'll find that on The Daily Wire, which you should subscribe to. They're just good people.
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the NFL draft.

That's tonight as well.

Our two favorite teams

are picking right next to each other.

Yours is picking 31st

and mine's picking 32nd.

I wonder, do we have a reason

why are they in that particular order?

Does anyone remember?

I don't remember because the Eagles are picking last in the draft,

and then the Chiefs are second to last.

Is there a reason for that?

Did they outline that in the rules?

Yeah, I think the rules state Philadelphia sucks.

Oh, is that it?

Yeah, and so they want to give you the last shot.

They're like, it is too temperamental.

Oh, too temperamental. Well, that's fair.
If that's the reason, that's probably fair. They haven't burned the city down in weeks, Glenn.
So come on. Well, they just wanted to make sure that the place that lost Andy Reid goes after the place where they want to give him the advantage.
They're like, hey, Andy Reid, he's such a great guy. Let's get him.
And the people that lost him ask for him. Andy Reid's a great coach.
I will not deny that. Those are the reasons I can think of.
Didn't help him a few weeks ago in February. But that's a whole other story for another day, Glenn.
And too bad we're out of time to pursue that story today.

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