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Speaker 1 Hello, America. Back from Washington, D.C.
Had an incredible sit-down with the president.

Speaker 1 A lot to share on that interview that we aired last night. We'll go through some of it and tell you some of the other stories that happen off air.
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Speaker 1 All right. Welcome to the program, Stu.
How are you? Welcome back, Glenn.

Speaker 4 Thank you. Back from DC.

Speaker 1 Interesting week. I bet it was.
Interesting week.

Speaker 1 Learned an awful lot. I've got to go up there at least a quarter, every quarter.

Speaker 1 There is so much going on. It is moving so fast and

Speaker 1 you get a completely different uh perspective when you're actually there talking to the people that are moving the pieces. And I had a lot of conversations that I can't divulge on the air.

Speaker 1 I can't, I can't say. Unfortunately, I was with the president yesterday and

Speaker 1 it was an incredible, absolutely incredible. And the thing I was most excited to share was

Speaker 1 his heart. He, he, it was amazing.
Did the interview, went into the Oval Office, and he left me alone with my wife in the Oval Office for like five minutes.

Speaker 1 Now, I am like, he was lucky I didn't go through the drawers.

Speaker 1 You know, I look at the side, is that, where's that little hidden puzzle piece that I saw in National Art?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 I mean, he left us alone for five minutes. Nobody's left alone in the Oval for five minutes.
And he walks in five minutes later, and Tanya was so uncomfortable. She's like, I don't know what to say.

Speaker 1 I don't know how to stay. What do I do? And I'm like, they said, make yourself comfortable.
So have a seat wherever you want. You know, probably not behind the desk, but have a seat.

Speaker 1 And so we just go around. And I, I mean,

Speaker 1 I was alone with the Declaration of Independence. I mean, it was incredible in the Oval Office.
And he walks in and he says, Any part of you think, maybe I just kind of put this

Speaker 4 pill it up, put it in my pot, maybe nobody notices?

Speaker 1 No, none of that. No.
None of that. Yeah, darn it.

Speaker 1 But this is the second time I've been in the Oval Office. The first time you're a little overwhelmed.
The first time you're just like,

Speaker 1 because it is, it's a a magical place. It really is a magical place.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 so he said, he walks in. He's like, you know, nobody's.
And I said, I'm well aware of that. He said, nobody, what?

Speaker 1 Nobody, nobody, nobody sits in here without the president or without, you know, somebody else. Right.
Yeah. And I said,

Speaker 1 that's really rare. And I said,

Speaker 1 I'm aware of that. And he said, but I knew you'd want to look at everything.
So I thought you'd be more comfortable if you were here by yourself. And I'm like, oh, it was fantastic.

Speaker 1 So we sit down, we talk,

Speaker 1 we go do the interview.

Speaker 1 And while we were talking in the Oval, we were conversing about a few things and he said, and Abraham Lincoln came up. We were talking about, he is well versed on the presidents.

Speaker 1 He is becoming a historian. He really is.
He's really done his homework.

Speaker 1 And he said, you a fan of Abraham Lincoln? And I said, yeah. And he said, ever been to the Lincoln bedroom? And I said, no.

Speaker 1 Want to go? And I'm like, wait, of course I do. Yes.

Speaker 1 Let's do this interview. So we do the interview.
And he, I'm told he only has 40 minutes. Now we've just eaten 10.

Speaker 1 And so we go, we do the interview. And his aides are cutting us off.
And I'm like, I got at least 10 more minutes of questions. And

Speaker 1 so we're getting cut off. And as we stop, his aide says, sir, the National Security Council is waiting for you.
And he says, right.

Speaker 1 I'm going to take them to the Lincoln bedroom first. And they're like, the Security Council is meeting right now.
They're waiting for you. And he said, let them wait.
I'm going to take them up to the.

Speaker 1 So he takes us the longest way possible. He takes us through the entire White House, room by room,

Speaker 1 shows us all of the meanings behind things, all of the amazing, all the amazing things that like nobody knows about the White House.

Speaker 1 Takes us to the basement, which is not really the basement.

Speaker 1 You know, it's the actual first floor where all of the guests come in and they come up the grand staircase and everything else. But it's the basement.

Speaker 1 And he's walking through and he's showing me a troll. First of all, he goes, I got to show you these paintings.
I just, this picture, this painting of Laura Bush and

Speaker 1 Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton up on the wall. He said, I walk by him every day and I'm like, ah, it's just not right.

Speaker 1 And he said, and then I got this painting of me. And it's, you know, the me, the flag face looking really kind of tough.
And he said, I thought I'd put it between the two. And it had just gone viral.

Speaker 1 Okay. He had just released a picture of it.
It had just gone viral. It was a troll.
The guy is just trolling. And he's like, yeah, don't you love it? I just think this works.
This trio really works.

Speaker 1 And I said, can we get a, can I get a snap of that with you? So we take this picture, the two of us,

Speaker 1 you know, on the ground floor of the White House with this. This is the tour goes by this every day.
Okay.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 all of a sudden, this thing goes viral and

Speaker 1 memes start to be made.

Speaker 1 They put J.D. Vance

Speaker 1 in the pictures.

Speaker 1 People just started changing all the pictures behind us. So this is a meme before, you know, going off before we finish.
And then he takes us

Speaker 1 upstairs, takes us through all these things. And

Speaker 1 the aides keep gathering. There's like 20 of them now following us.
And I keep hearing, sir, the National Security Council is waiting. He's like, I know, I know.

Speaker 1 And so we get up to the

Speaker 1 executive residence.

Speaker 1 And the reason why he had to give us, the reason why he had to do this tour

Speaker 1 is because you're not allowed in the residence and you're not allowed into the

Speaker 1 Lincoln bedroom without the president of the United States. It's the only one that can do it.
You can't, Melania couldn't come down and do the tour. It has to be the president.

Speaker 1 And so he's like, I'm sorry. He's telling them, I'm sorry, but, you know, rules are rules.
And so he takes us up. into the Lincoln bedroom.

Speaker 1 It was the most incredible thing I've, I mean, it's like, it's a time capsule. It's really his bed, which is about six inches longer than like the big king-size bed.

Speaker 1 It might have been longer than a California queen.

Speaker 1 It was very narrow. It was like obviously, you know, he's not like Hugh Hefner.
It's just a very narrow bed, but very, very long.

Speaker 1 The mirror on one end was extended to, you know, for somebody who's like, you know, six, nine, I think,

Speaker 1 Barron could use that mirror.

Speaker 1 And then on the other side of the room is a writing desk. And it on this one table were all these things about his son, Lincoln's son who had died, and this really

Speaker 1 eerie picture of Lincoln, this painting. And the president said that was his favorite painting of himself.
And it's really, it was spooky almost.

Speaker 1 And I couldn't take a picture. You're not allowed to take any photos in the Lincoln bedroom.
And I I was so bummed because I couldn't wait to show them to you.

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 1 there's a writing desk, and on it is the Gettysburg Address, one of four of the Gettysburg Addresses, because he gave Lincoln

Speaker 1 at the Gettysburg and said, Mr. President, that was a great speech.
Do you have a copy of it? And he said, sure. And he hands him the speech.

Speaker 1 And he said, here, take it. This is a New York reporter, takes it, types it up, and then throws it away.
So during the war, Lincoln writes four copies of the Gettysburg Address.

Speaker 1 In the four copies, only two of them say this nation under God. Two of them don't say that, and we don't know why.
But the one there

Speaker 1 says this nation under God.

Speaker 1 So it's just almost like a spiritual thing.

Speaker 1 We come down and we're ending the tour. And I said, I have to ask you.
I said, I know you're Donald J. Trump, but

Speaker 1 now, what do you think I'm going to ask? Because he cuts me off there and starts to answer. And I was amazed that he knew what I was even going to ask.
What do you think I'm asking?

Speaker 1 I know you're Donald J. Trump, but.

Speaker 1 Hmm.

Speaker 4 I mean, it could be anything, obviously.

Speaker 1 He said, every day.

Speaker 1 And that's the right answer, but I didn't still know if he knew what I was talking about. And I said, every day.

Speaker 1 And he said, every day, Glenn, I wake up every day and I say to myself, I can't believe I'm in this house.

Speaker 1 I mean, he's still humble about it. He's still

Speaker 1 he respects that place. I mean,

Speaker 1 a lot of the, I mean, I just,

Speaker 1 I don't know. Well, he didn't tell me this, so I didn't think I signed anything about that.
No, he didn't tell me this. So

Speaker 1 the word is that Hillary stole a lot of the glass doorknobs at the White House. Okay.
That's the word. Don't know if it's true.

Speaker 1 But stole a lot of them. He came in and he redid all of the doorknobs, and they are beautiful.
This guy has put serious money into the White House. And he's never going to get any credit.

Speaker 1 And, you know, the rumor was on those doorknobs that they were going to take him out.

Speaker 1 I don't know if they did on Biden, but they didn't want any of the Trump stuff in there and took out the doorknobs. But

Speaker 1 he's poured a ton of money upgrading that house. And he'll never get credit for it, but he deserves it.

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Speaker 1 So you were able to go through

Speaker 4 all of this and look at all these incredible documents. I mean, this is kind of like your fantasy league life, right?

Speaker 1 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 4 Every document you could ever want, every piece of history you could ever want to look at. Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 4 You would spend no time actually being president.

Speaker 1 No, I wouldn't. I don't know when this guy has time.
I really don't. They told me

Speaker 1 some of the Secret Service guys said, he's here, you know, middle of the night working on stuff. He's, you know, he'll do a full day and then he's there, you know, like, who's up at this hour?

Speaker 4 It's interesting because that's not the way the media presents him, right? They say, oh, he's just watching TV or he's watching folks.

Speaker 1 Oh my gosh, there's no way. This guy has learned so much.
There's no way I had a conversation about history with him five, six years ago like I did yesterday.

Speaker 4 Interesting. No, you notice a difference.

Speaker 1 Oh, his learning curve is straight up. Absolutely straight up.
Straight up. And in the interview, there's nothing, I mean, I could have said things.
Remember the nuclear triad

Speaker 1 question that he was hit with where he didn't really know what the nuclear. There is not a question I can ask him where he doesn't know the answer.
Literally, literally.

Speaker 1 I mean, everything I ask him off air or on air, he's there. He knows it.
If it's happening in the world, he knows it. I don't know how he keeps up like this.

Speaker 4 It is impressive. I mean, his energy level is impressive, and there's no doubt about that.
Especially, I mean, I don't know. The bar was set pretty low the last four years.

Speaker 4 But his,

Speaker 4 that's been one of the things that I don't think there's ever been really much

Speaker 4 disagreement on. Like the fact that, I mean, we did, you know, years ago, we went around with candidates around Iowa, for example, just in campaigning.

Speaker 4 And it was like, oh, gosh, by the end of the weekend, I just wanted to sleep for a week because it was just so much running around doing.

Speaker 4 I mean, I can't even imagine what it's like to be president of the United States. He's always got that energy.

Speaker 1 He's always energized. I mean, and I saw him.
I mean,

Speaker 1 when I got onto the plane last night, because I know

Speaker 1 he went from my interview directly to the

Speaker 1 National Security Council.

Speaker 1 And then by the time I'm sitting at the airport, There's a video of him meeting with the people that were in the lobby waiting for him, all of these veterans, and he's doing stuff with veterans on TV.

Speaker 1 I mean, the guy is just boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

Speaker 1 Remember, Joe Biden was like, hey,

Speaker 1 he'll have some pudding. Yeah.
And a lid. A pudding and a lid.
And a lid. And that's it.

Speaker 1 This guy is going non-stop.

Speaker 4 Obviously, we're just kind of setting up the main course here, which is your interview with him that airs on Blaze TV tonight.

Speaker 4 I watched it on Blaze TV last night. It airs on YouTube tonight.
It's up there.

Speaker 1 I'm going to get get the order wrong.

Speaker 4 But, you know, you guys went into

Speaker 1 every

Speaker 4 topic. Any questions he didn't, you know, you didn't think he wanted to go to or didn't, wasn't comfortable with? Was there anything he was off limits?

Speaker 1 Anything like that? No, no. He was joking with me.

Speaker 1 He, as we was going across the hallway, he said

Speaker 1 after the interview, he said, now try to be kind to me. Well,

Speaker 1 if you don't, I'll just say, he's over. He's worthless.
So do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 But no, there was nothing. In fact,

Speaker 1 we didn't, you know, we wouldn't, and we didn't give him any indication other than it was, you know, about the 100 days and everything that has gone on in the last 100 days and are coming.

Speaker 1 And so that's pretty broad.

Speaker 1 He said a few things, and

Speaker 1 I want to give you one of them here.

Speaker 1 We were talking about the tariffs,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 I said,

Speaker 1 you know, how do you negotiate when you have a group of elites like the WEF, when you have China, who's against you, and the World Trade or the World Economic Forum, all the elites in England that are,

Speaker 1 they're fine with a great reset.

Speaker 1 How do you negotiate with people who don't mind blowing the whole thing up? Listen to this.

Speaker 6 I don't have to negotiate. I don't have to negotiate.
I'm talking to people out of respect, but I don't have to. So we're this giant store that people want to come in and buy from.

Speaker 6 We're the United States. We have the richest consumer, et cetera, et cetera, right?

Speaker 6 But we're not going to be that way for long if we don't do something. But we're this giant store, and they all want to come in and they want to take our product.

Speaker 6 But to take our product, they're going to have to pay. And we'll either make a deal with them or we'll just set a price because some countries are worse than others.

Speaker 6 Some countries have ripped us off really badly and some countries have just ripped us off a little bit. But almost all of them have ripped us off because we've had really poor leadership.

Speaker 6 And what's going to happen is we're going to negotiate with, we are negotiating, we're negotiating with 70 different countries and we're negotiating, we're showing great respect, but in the end we may make deals, but Either that or I just set a price.

Speaker 6 I said, here's what you're going to pay for the privilege of servicing the United States of America.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 6 they have an option. They can maybe talk to me a little bit or they can not shop.
You know, they don't have to shop at this big store.

Speaker 6 Or they can shop. Right.
But in any event, they're going to have to pay. Look, we owe $36 trillion for a reason.
The reason is... the trade and also the endless wars, the stupid wars that we fought.

Speaker 6 We go into the Middle East, we blow it up, we leave, we don't get anything.

Speaker 6 And you're a big fan of exactly what I'm saying, meaning let's not do the stupid stuff. It doesn't work.
It's stupid. Endless wars, endless wars that they don't even want us.

Speaker 6 You know, we got into wars, they didn't even want us.

Speaker 6 So

Speaker 6 all of that stuff. You know, when I left four years ago, we had no wars.
We had no Israel and Hamas.

Speaker 6 And by the way, it would have never happened because Iran was broke.

Speaker 6 They were broke. I had sanctions that were so strong on Iran.
They were totally broke. They had no money for Hamas or Hezbollah.
We didn't have Russia-Ukraine.

Speaker 6 That would have never happened, by the way. We didn't have the Afghanistan embarrassment, one of the great embarrassments in the history of our country.
We didn't have any inflation. I know.

Speaker 6 Don't forget, I charged China hundreds of billions worth of tariffs. They talk about inflation.
We had no inflation.

Speaker 6 Because that doesn't cause inflation. Stupidity causes inflation.
High energy costs inflation. When When they took over my energy,

Speaker 6 we were making it like nobody's ever seen.

Speaker 6 And then the prices doubled. By the way, because of that, Putin went in.
If they kept, you see what's going on with energy now, it's going down.

Speaker 6 It makes it much harder for Putin to prosecute the war.

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Speaker 1 I talked to him about the GOP,

Speaker 1 and he was nicer on the GOP than I thought he would be.

Speaker 4 Much nicer, actually,

Speaker 4 very complimentary. Seemed to just basically say, you're jumping the gun, Glenn.

Speaker 1 Yeah, he did. He did.
And so I pushed him on it a couple of times

Speaker 1 and said, my audience really cares about two things: Doge,

Speaker 1 the three things. Doge,

Speaker 1 the people go to jail that need to be prosecuted. And the other one is, you know, the Congress and the economy and tariffs.
I mean, and you can't do all of it without Congress.

Speaker 1 And he was shocking. Twice, I came back at that.
Will you push Congress? And

Speaker 1 both times he was like, you know, you just, you got to love the big, beautiful bill. They're going to pass it.
I don't just love them.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it was interesting. I think he

Speaker 4 leaned on the pragmatic realities of what the Congress is, which is a Congress with a very small majority. He mentioned, you know, it was seven seats in the House and three seats in the Senate.

Speaker 4 And he said, but he thought it was going to be enough.

Speaker 4 He seemed to think that we needed, you know, one of the things we talked about, this is going back at the beginning of his administration, was he kept picking

Speaker 4 House members to serve in his government.

Speaker 4 And that shrunk their majorities temporarily. So he seemed to be saying, like, look, we needed to get that straightened out first, win those special elections.

Speaker 4 And then now we're in a position where we can get the big, beautiful bill done. And he seemed to be incredibly optimistic about the bill.
I will say,

Speaker 4 that was an interesting part of that interview because

Speaker 4 he was much more optimistic than I feel like I am right now.

Speaker 1 So he either knows something that we don't know or or he is negotiating with them and playing nice until

Speaker 1 they go the right direction. And if they don't go the right direction this time, I think he will change.
But

Speaker 1 I'm not sure. He was shockingly in their corner for this.

Speaker 4 He said they were doing a great job. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And there's a lot of complaints from the conservative. From me.

Speaker 1 From you. Yeah.

Speaker 4 And you hit it hard. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And I, I, you know, I was, I think, I don't remember exactly what I said, but I think I was pretty clear on, you know, they got to do their job.

Speaker 1 And I said, what does all of this mean if they don't codify? You got to get them to codify all this stuff. And he said, Glenn, we get the big, beautiful bill.
Then we're going right to codification.

Speaker 1 He's like, we're going to codify everything we just did in executive order.

Speaker 4 That would be great. And I think there's a tendency sometimes of Trump defenders when,

Speaker 4 you know, he wants something, it. doesn't get done or we all want something to get done to not necessarily put blame on Trump, to put blame on Congress.

Speaker 4 He was very clear that that didn't need to happen.

Speaker 4 They're doing a good job. They're going to get this across the finish line, which is

Speaker 4 pretty,

Speaker 1 I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm trying to think of the right word.

Speaker 4 Trusting, yeah, but I mean, optimistic. You know,

Speaker 4 it was good to hear that that's what he sees. I mean, he's talking to these people.
He knows where this thing stands right now. Now, he's in the middle of a public interview.
You don't know.

Speaker 4 He could be positioning it. As you mentioned, it could be part of the negotiation.
But, you know, that's kind of him saying, we've got this under control. Don't worry about it.

Speaker 4 And he said, all the stuff's going to be in this bill. The Big Beautiful bill has been sort of this generic term that he's used to kind of give us an idea.

Speaker 1 He said a couple of times. Yeah.
Everything's in that bill. Everything.
Everything's in that bill.

Speaker 4 He said tax cuts, regulation cuts. Right.

Speaker 1 And I don't know if, I don't know.

Speaker 4 Maybe he's thinking about putting the tariffs in that bill. And that's an interesting part of it because that would also help the scoring of the bill.

Speaker 4 If you put the tariffs in the bill, it's going to show revenue coming in from those tariffs, and then that would

Speaker 4 help him put other things like tax cuts in the bill that are larger, for example.

Speaker 4 There's a lot of strategy and weirdness here because you have to get a reduction in the deficit in the debt to be able to pass it through the reconciliation process. So there's a lot of stuff.

Speaker 4 I mean, it is a very complicated process, but I think usually you'd go through a situation like this and and say, if you have majorities as small as the Republicans have,

Speaker 4 you can't do this type of bill. It's too difficult.

Speaker 4 He's saying it's not. And look, I think there's reason to believe he's going to be able to get people lined up behind this thing.
He's been very good at that.

Speaker 1 Well, we'll see. We'll see.
And I hope he is.

Speaker 4 You seem

Speaker 4 less convinced than he was. No.

Speaker 1 No, I have faith that he knows something that I don't know. Yeah.
I just hope he's I hope it's not

Speaker 1 misplaced trust because I don't trust any of them. You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 I trust some of them as individuals, but as a collective, they're absolutely worthless. Just worthless.

Speaker 1 I also talked to him about the judges and how the judges are

Speaker 1 holding everything back. And I used a term that Mike Lee has used, judicial insurrection.

Speaker 1 and talked to him about, you know, Andrew Jackson. He's a fan of Andrew Jackson.
And Andrew Jackson, he went to court with the

Speaker 1 federal judges, not the Supreme Court, the federal judges. And he said, well, they've got their opinion.
I have mine. The good thing about judges is they don't have an enforcement arm.

Speaker 1 So let them enforce it. And he just went on.
And constitutional, I mean, he just kept going. So I asked him about that.
Listen to what Donald Trump said.

Speaker 6 Well, I hope we don't have that problem.

Speaker 6 And I hope we don't have to get into it. But I will say we have millions of people in this country right now that are criminals.
And you see how fast we're getting them out.

Speaker 6 And we're going to get them out even faster. But when you have to get out and do court cases for individual people, and you would have, in theory, millions of court cases, you know what that means.

Speaker 6 If you had one court case, it takes forever. Millions of court cases?

Speaker 6 They're really saying you're not allowed to do what I was elected to do.

Speaker 6 I was elected for a very big part of it was the border and getting people out because I said, and the stats reveal it, when you look at Trende Aragua, when you look at MS-13, when you look at these gangs and just really bad criminals coming in, you know, we have many murderers, people that killed, 50% of which killed more than one person.

Speaker 6 They put them into our country, threw open borders, and now we have to go to court to cut them out. I don't think the people of our country are going to stand for it.

Speaker 1 Let me go to Andrea in Arizona, who's listening. Hi, Andrea.

Speaker 7 Hi, how are you? I watched the interview. It was wonderful.
And, you know, I'm seeing a new Donald Trump. I'm sure I know you've mentioned this before.
And he is so calm, so precise, so measured.

Speaker 7 And I'm just wondering, is he like that only during the interviews, or is he like that before and after the interview?

Speaker 1 What you saw, there was no difference in the Donald Trump that you saw in the interview than I I saw giving me a tour of the White House yesterday. No difference.
He is exactly, if anything,

Speaker 1 did I talk about the

Speaker 1 non-disclosure I had to sign?

Speaker 4 You didn't talk about that on the air, no?

Speaker 1 So if anything, he is

Speaker 1 more genuine and more heart-driven

Speaker 1 than what you see.

Speaker 1 He gave me a tour of the White House, and we went up to the executive residence. Nobody goes up to the executive residence.
And I'm like,

Speaker 1 you know, and we do the tour of the Lincoln bedroom. And then he takes us to places that you don't go to.
And

Speaker 1 he was showing us stuff. And he was, I can't,

Speaker 1 at the end of this section, we come down the stairs from the executive residence.

Speaker 1 And on the table there at the bottom of the stairs were two pieces of paper, one for my wife and one for me, that we had to sign. And I said, what is this?

Speaker 1 And they said, the president doesn't want anything other than the Lincoln bedroom, any of your conversations shared.

Speaker 1 And I was like, I was devastated because that was the thing I was most excited to share with the audience because it shows who he is. It shows

Speaker 1 he's a remarkable man.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I sat there and I just, I mean, I had to sign it. And I sat there and I wanted to, I just wanted to say, why?

Speaker 1 Why? This is the side of you that people should know about.

Speaker 1 And I can't say anything about it. So

Speaker 1 he's much, he leads by his heart much more than what you know.

Speaker 1 There's something that happened also that my wife caught that didn't happen up there that I'm struggling with whether or not I should say anything.

Speaker 1 I want to call the White House and just say, because it was caught on film. And

Speaker 1 we caught it on a frame and I think we well do they put you in Guantanamo if you talk about it no not that I don't know about the other part but

Speaker 1 he's he's better than he's better than he is you know more calm and just more real he is so strangely the guy who is gilding the White House Oval Office he is gilding it

Speaker 1 But he is so normal and so

Speaker 1 common. I don't know how he became this way.
I really don't. He's the guy who's like, it's the greatest gold of all gold.
Nobody said gold could be any more golden than this gold.

Speaker 1 And yet he's just like you. He's like everything you would hope

Speaker 1 a really good man that you respected was actually like. That's great.

Speaker 4 Yeah. No, that's pretty consistent even in the reporting from sources who don't like him.
They say, you know, behind the scenes, you know, he is a very engaging,

Speaker 1 yeah, endearing guy. Yeah, he is.

Speaker 1 He's the real deal.

Speaker 4 He's a real deal. That's fascinating.

Speaker 4 Well, I mean, as we all know, and I think Sarah will back me up on this, at some point, you're totally going to screw this up and say something about what you're not supposed to say.

Speaker 1 I thought I said it in the meeting.

Speaker 4 Yeah, it's 100%.

Speaker 4 I mean, I don't know how long it's going to take. It might take a month, might take a year.

Speaker 4 At some point, you'll blurt something out

Speaker 1 and we will alert the authorities.

Speaker 4 And make sure that they know that we've violated the agreement.

Speaker 1 If it was something bad, you know I would. You know I would.
I couldn't. I couldn't.

Speaker 1 The country is going to be, you know, the nukes are going to fly and be like,

Speaker 1 I got to tell him.

Speaker 4 Don't put him on the signal.

Speaker 1 Don't put me on there. Yeah.
But

Speaker 4 you think you'll be able to hold it. Because at some point we'll obviously get this out of you.

Speaker 1 No, I'm just disappointed. I'm just disappointed that I can't tell you because I think you would really, I think you'd like it.
I think you'd like it a lot. You'd like it a lot.
He's a good man.

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Speaker 1 Welcome to the Glenbeck program. Let me go to Mike in Texas.
Hello, Mike. Welcome.
Hello. Hey, how are you?

Speaker 11 I'm great. Your presentation last night was exactly what I expected.
You had a deep seat, a split-finger grip, and you let that bull ride.

Speaker 1 Good.

Speaker 11 Good.

Speaker 11 But when you got to Bondi and Patel, he dodged that one and you let him dodge it. And

Speaker 11 there may very well be reasons that you did. Running out of time is one of them.
And we just don't need to know right now is another.

Speaker 1 So here's why I here may I explain why I didn't push back.

Speaker 1 And I pushed back after the interview in the hallway, and I got the same answer. And I knew I would get the same answer.
So that's one reason why I didn't push back.

Speaker 1 The second is I had information from others who are near Cash and Bondi

Speaker 1 who said pretty much the same thing the president did, except they added, Congress is holding up the nominations of the others.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 it's the rhinos that were like, you know, we gave him all of his people. for the for his cabinet.
You can wait until August to get the rest of them. And they're very frustrated.

Speaker 1 But what I was told by others

Speaker 1 around those two was that they are kind of surrounded right now and can't move. So when the president said,

Speaker 1 look, it's early, but I think they're doing a good job. I translated that into, it's early.
They don't have their people. Hang tight.
I could be wrong, but that's why I didn't push him on that.

Speaker 1 Because the other thing that goes back into, and I pushed him twice or three times on Congress, was Congress. And

Speaker 1 he kept

Speaker 1 having faith in Congress as well. And I thought that was a negotiating tool.
So I couldn't make any real progress there because I think he was solidly in the place of Congress.

Speaker 1 So he could maybe talk them nicely into doing the things he needed them to do. But I think a hammer will come for Congress if they fail on this bill.
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Have you got my wife on the phone yet? Try to get my wife on the phone. You know,

Speaker 1 Sarah said to me

Speaker 1 in the break, she said,

Speaker 1 I'm more interested in what your wife has to think about it. And I'm like,

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm the broadcaster of the family.

Speaker 14 Yeah, but she is not a huge history nerd like you are, and she's not impressed by anything. So

Speaker 14 I figured she might be impressed about this trip.

Speaker 1 Yeah. You know, it's so that is so Tanya, in a nutshell.

Speaker 1 She is, she's not, she's been invited to, I've gone to the White House maybe three times a day with my kids every time because she's like, no, I'd rather,

Speaker 1 I don't want to go. I mean, what are we going to do? We're going to get all dressed up and go someplace.
And I'm like, honey, it's the White House.

Speaker 4 And she's like, yeah, whatever.

Speaker 1 So she's, she, first time she went to Mar-Lago was just a couple of months ago. This was her first time at the White House.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 I know she had an amazing day, but you're right. I would like to hear what she has to say about all the history stuff.

Speaker 4 It's interesting. Unfortunately, she said no.

Speaker 1 Oh, did she say no?

Speaker 1 She won't come on the air.

Speaker 4 She won't come on the air.

Speaker 1 Oh, call her back up. Call her back up right now.
Call her back up.

Speaker 14 I'll do it. I like my job.
I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 You work for me, not for her. Oh, I don't know if that's true.

Speaker 4 She's more important for sure.

Speaker 1 There's no call her up. She said no.
Just call her up.

Speaker 4 No means no, Glenn.

Speaker 1 I'm calling her. I'm calling her on my.
I'm going to FaceTime her.

Speaker 4 This is a good idea.

Speaker 1 I'm going to FaceTime her right now. Why? Why is this so dumb?

Speaker 4 I mean, I'm just saying she

Speaker 1 has expressed what her will is,

Speaker 4 and you are seemingly harassing her. I'm not harassing her.

Speaker 1 She's at home right now. She's at home.

Speaker 1 I can track her. Oh, I'm tracking her.

Speaker 1 I can track her.

Speaker 14 There's a lot being uncovered right now.

Speaker 1 There is. We're learning a lot about this relationship.

Speaker 1 Is that Nellie? Here we go. Here we go.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 8 Oh, I wish she blocked him. That would have been the best.

Speaker 1 She

Speaker 1 blocked me.

Speaker 1 She just said. She's calling again.

Speaker 1 You're just.

Speaker 1 She's listening and she's blocking me.

Speaker 4 Yeah, because she doesn't want to come on. She said specifically no.

Speaker 4 She just did it again. Because she's not interested in you or what you want.
She's with her boyfriend.

Speaker 1 She's with Manuel, the Pew Pool Boy.

Speaker 1 I didn't even know we had that pool boy, but that's who she's with.

Speaker 1 Unbelievable. Oh, I'm calling you.
I am calling you when you least expect it, honey.

Speaker 1 Expect it. I'll call you.

Speaker 4 What can you describe how she felt about this? Was it different than previous? I mean, you've been

Speaker 4 in the past.

Speaker 1 I didn't even think of that. I didn't even think about it.

Speaker 4 You didn't think about your wife's feelings.

Speaker 1 No wonder she said she didn't walk at you. I didn't think about it at all.

Speaker 1 No, I mean, we were with each other and I knew she had a great time and we talked about it, but I didn't ask her, like, what'd you think of the history part? You know,

Speaker 1 it's like,

Speaker 1 she's not into that. You know, she is like, we are polar opposites.
And so it's the reason why we have such a great marriage because if we were the same, we'd destroy each other.

Speaker 1 It'd be bad. It would be bad.

Speaker 1 And so we get along because she's just not interested in a lot of this stuff. She's not interested in politics and she's not impressed by anything.

Speaker 1 And I love her for that. She's the one that's kept me grounded because she's like, oh, really? Big shot? Oh, yeah, that's really cool.
And I'm like, well, I thought it. This is you being grounded?

Speaker 1 Wow.

Speaker 4 I guess I'm sure she had a positive influence on that.

Speaker 1 Let's go to Chris in Texas. Maybe I'll find a friend there.
Hi, Chris.

Speaker 4 Hey, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 15 You bet. I appreciate those marriage tips from Brian.

Speaker 15 Hey, I wanted to say a great job on the interview last night.

Speaker 15 You know,

Speaker 15 getting President Trump unfiltered and kind of unbiased. I was listening with my 10-year-old at dinner last night.

Speaker 15 And it's really tough to get quality, truthful sources, and especially for the kids. And so it was great to kind of see him

Speaker 15 in that, where you were kind of not guiding him, but letting him be himself.

Speaker 15 And to me, it kind of equated to the, during the campaign, the Joe Rogan moment, where he did the interview for a couple of hours. Yeah.
First time people really saw him.

Speaker 15 Like, that's kind of what I thought about last night. It's like, man, I'm going to wait for an update for two or three months.
Now I'm finally seeing it.

Speaker 1 Wow, good. I'm glad you got that.
You know, when you're doing it, you have absolutely no idea. And even I'm watching it this morning and I was like, I don't know if that, I don't know what worked.

Speaker 1 I don't know what didn't work. I don't know what people got out of it.
So I'm glad to hear that. Thank you.
Appreciate it, Chris. Let me go to Laura in Florida.
Hello, Laura.

Speaker 12 Hello, Glenn.

Speaker 12 It was really excellent.

Speaker 17 I've been able to watch all of his interviews with all these different anchors and people and maybe missed a couple. The nature of my professional life has made that possible.

Speaker 12 I was struck by your command of the situation. And I'm telling you, Trump trusts you, and I think that's why it went so well.

Speaker 12 Your questions were spot-on. There were pauses where no one was trying to talk over or interrupt him.

Speaker 18 You found the moments.

Speaker 16 It was just a flow that I just had not seen yet. I loved it.

Speaker 12 I thought it was most excellent.

Speaker 18 And

Speaker 17 as you were saying earlier in the program, it really shows us who Donald Trump really is.

Speaker 17 And told me a lot about you, too.

Speaker 16 So I want to thank you for that.

Speaker 19 It was really, really excellent.

Speaker 1 Great. Thank you, Laura.
I tell you, I wish I'm going to go back and ask him if he'd do something different with me

Speaker 1 at the White House.

Speaker 1 Next time I go, I'm going to see if I can get some different kind of interview because you really didn't see, you didn't see the best parts of him. You really didn't.
I was allowed to. And

Speaker 1 his staff even said,

Speaker 1 they said,

Speaker 1 as he was leaving, his staff said, he's not like this with other people.

Speaker 1 She said, he's like a kid in a candy store with you. He's like all about history and just like, look at this, look at this.
Because he was taking me.

Speaker 1 I mean, he was literally almost like dragging me into places like, come here, come here, come here. I got to show you this.

Speaker 1 It was so amazing to see how excited he was about the history of our country and. preservation of our history.

Speaker 1 He was just remarkable. Just remarkable.
I wish I could show that part of him to you. Pam in Texas.
Hi.

Speaker 18 Hi. How are y'all doing this morning?

Speaker 1 I am good. How are you, Pam?

Speaker 18 I'm good.

Speaker 17 I totally agree with the last caller, Laura. I thought it was one of the best interviews I've seen, and I've caught every one of them.

Speaker 17 He was. He was different with you.

Speaker 17 He was relaxed. And he was.
I can't really put my finger on it, but he just seemed to enjoy it, relish it.

Speaker 17 um and i i really thought it was one of the best interviews i've ever seen of anybody wow wow thank you yeah i appreciate it thank you i appreciate it i appreciate y'all doing that and i have love i can't wait for the next one yeah thank you very much i i uh it was um

Speaker 1 it's so odd because i can't judge it it's so odd I don't see, did you see, did you feel it was different than other interviews that you've seen with him?

Speaker 1 Are you sensing that? Because I just didn't.

Speaker 4 It did feel more relaxed. It felt more conversational.

Speaker 1 It didn't feel like he was

Speaker 4 trying to get some agenda through. I think he was legitimately trying to answer your questions and bring you through his thought process.

Speaker 1 He didn't stop a couple of times. It shocked me.
I was like, I'm not prepared for you to stop.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Because

Speaker 1 he can talk and talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. Oh, yeah.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 1 And he answered a few questions like, okay, go ahead. Come back at me, which I thought was interesting.
It was the first time I think I've seen that with him.

Speaker 1 So maybe that was different. Melanie in Florida.
Hi, Melanie.

Speaker 20 Y'all know how to make our day by making us laugh. And you seem pretty real, too.
And I sure did enjoy it that you addressed the tyrannical judicial insurrection. That was one of my main concerns.

Speaker 20 And you showed us that he is totally aware of it. Oh, yeah.
And he knows his options. And he just seemed in control of it.

Speaker 20 And I really appreciated that because that was one of the worst things that I was fearing. Nothing was going to be done about that.
So I want to thank you. You did a really good job.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 You know, we were up in the Lincoln bedroom and we were talking about Lincoln. And

Speaker 1 he looked at me at one point and he said, you know, you said that you don't like Jackson. Why don't you like Andrew Jackson? And I said, well, you know, Trail of Tears was not real good.

Speaker 1 And he went, okay, good point. Good point.
And I said, and he was corrupt.

Speaker 1 You know, he would tell his friends, hey, by the way, I'm going to be seizing this Indian land and be auctioning off, you know, first come, first serve. Maybe you should get down there.

Speaker 1 You know, it's going to happen tomorrow. So he was enriching his friends.
I said, so he's corrupt and dirty. And he said, but the judicial part you were okay with? And I said, oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 With what he did with the judges, absolutely fine. It's constitutional.
Yes, I'm fine with that.

Speaker 1 And he's like, yeah, that's the part that I really So he has been thinking about what do we do with these judges. And he's not going to, I didn't get the impression he's going there first.

Speaker 1 He's going to write it out and try to work the system as long as he can. And then if they just won't, if they just keep doing this, he's going to draw a line.

Speaker 1 And he has the right constitutionally to do it. When you have somebody like Mike Lee, who is the least radical of anybody,

Speaker 1 I mean, I'm surprised the guy doesn't have a flat top haircut. You know what I mean? He's like Mr.
Leave It to Beaver 1950s. He's so clean cut.

Speaker 1 But when he says this is judicial insurrection,

Speaker 1 you can pretty much bank on that, that it would have constitutional weight behind it if he acted that way. And

Speaker 1 I was pleased to see that he has really thought deeply about it and constitutionally about it as well. Let me go to Bill.
Hi, Bill. Welcome.

Speaker 12 Hey. Hi, Glenn.

Speaker 21 I've got a little bit different take on your interview with the president yesterday.

Speaker 13 I thought even I'll start at the beginning where you did.

Speaker 21 You spent the first five to seven minutes talking when you could have been asking the president questions.

Speaker 1 Okay, hold on just a second.

Speaker 1 Let me take these one by one here.

Speaker 1 Okay. If you've ever interviewed a president where you know you're going to ask tough questions,

Speaker 1 and

Speaker 1 you had told them that this was about the hundred days and the accomplishments that the administration has made you better start with the accomplishments that the administration has made uh and and give them a little candy before you sour things up so that's the reason why I did spend about three four minutes there at the beginning making it very easy but go ahead and

Speaker 13 another part of it was

Speaker 13 Donald Trump kept going back to oh 2016 we had the greatest economy ever. And I walked away with it, thinking I didn't learn anything that I previously didn't know.

Speaker 13 And in addition, one of the biggies is the debt bomb, which he kind of danced around,

Speaker 13 but nothing, and you briefly mentioned it with, hey, you started with $2 trillion, but you ended up with $150 billion in control.

Speaker 1 those.

Speaker 1 You're right. I didn't push him on that.
I wish I would have. I didn't push him on that.

Speaker 13 Okay. That and the other one was the Pam Bondi deal in the Justice Department.

Speaker 21 And let's use the Teslas with it was supposed to be an act of terrorism. We have somebody

Speaker 1 apparently. Wait, wait, wait.
She is going after the Tesla people.

Speaker 1 That they are going after. I don't have a problem with what she's doing with the Tesla.
I'm worried about some of the other things that she has been ignoring.

Speaker 1 But tell me where, I mean, she has been going against the Tesla. Where is she dropping the ball on that?

Speaker 21 Well, let's start with the JFK special when she announced that.

Speaker 1 So that's different.

Speaker 5 I'm with you.

Speaker 13 Here's what we're going to do. This is going to be a bombshell.
It's going to be this.

Speaker 13 And nothing happened. Okay, so we haven't heard anything since then.

Speaker 1 So let me, I did explain the Pambondi thing, and the reason why I let him skate on that is because I have information from people who are around those individuals that I pushed before the interview.

Speaker 1 They were not connected to the White House. And I pushed them beforehand and I said, look, I am really concerned.
My audience is very concerned.

Speaker 1 If people don't start to go to jail for things that are legitimate,

Speaker 1 legitimately jailworthy, if they're not prosecuted, my audience is really going to be upset. And I am too.

Speaker 1 Nothing will change if we don't clean this system up. And both in separate situations, both of them said, you don't understand.

Speaker 1 Congress, and it's the rhinos, Congress is holding back some of the people that they need as second and third ranks that have to be confirmed.

Speaker 1 And Congress is saying, you know, we gave you everybody you wanted. You can wait.
We'll take our time on the rest of them. And they're holding them up until possibly even August.

Speaker 1 And that's, that's, you can't do that. And so it's Congress.
And so I was stuck in this trap with him of

Speaker 1 pushing him into a place to where if that is the answer, he wasn't going to give me the answer because

Speaker 1 he was negotiating with Congress, I believe, on the big, beautiful bill. So the only answer I was going to get from him was, it's not Congress.
That's not what it is.

Speaker 1 And so what he gave me, and I accepted, because of the additional information I had, I accepted,

Speaker 1 he said, it's early. Let them work.
It's early. What I interpreted that as well.

Speaker 1 Yeah. What I interpreted that as is they've got things they have to do first.

Speaker 1 And I will come back to him, you know,

Speaker 1 if I talk to him again, we have another sit-down by the end of the year. I will come back to him if nothing has changed and said, okay, it's not early anymore.
We've waited. What's happening?

Speaker 4 And Bill, just to summarize what you're saying here, you're saying Glenn was a miserable failure during the interview. Is that correct?

Speaker 3 No, that's not what I was saying.

Speaker 1 See, thank you, Bill. You are a genius.
You're a genius. Bill, thank you very much.
I hope that answered your question. Did that help you? Yeah, it did.
Yes, it did.

Speaker 9 All right. Thanks, guys.
Thank you.

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Speaker 19 Oh my gosh, I'm so excited. I get to talk to you.

Speaker 1 I've talked to Rush Limbaugh.

Speaker 19 I've talked to Sean Hannity, Paul W. Smith, Frank Beckman.
Now I get to talk to you.

Speaker 1 Wow, there you go.

Speaker 1 So thank you.

Speaker 12 Okay.

Speaker 19 No, I'm actually talking to Stu.

Speaker 1 Thank you.

Speaker 1 I love you. I love you.
You are crazy.

Speaker 1 All right, go ahead. All right.

Speaker 19 Stu, you said earlier that President Trump looked relaxed. I thought he looked very relaxed, and I loved his posture.
But Glenn, I'm an artist like you. So I don't want to talk politics.

Speaker 19 I want to to talk about something else. What did you see art-wise that you didn't expect to see, that you've never seen before, or that struck you that it was hanging in that spot?

Speaker 19 I'm not talking about the Hillary.

Speaker 1 Okay, so there's

Speaker 1 no, there's a couple of things.

Speaker 1 First, the painting that I've seen in a picture in a book a million times, a history book of a young George Washington with his, I think, his hand in his vest and the sword by his side.

Speaker 1 You've seen it a million times hanging over the fireplace of the Oval Office. It's been sitting in a closet for maybe 100 years.
It was amazing to see.

Speaker 1 A Jefferson painting that hasn't been seen in 150 years. The way Donald Trump has moved the paintings around in the White House to tell the story of the presidents.

Speaker 1 The fact that I couldn't find one painting of George W. Bush.
I could find Barack Obama. but not one painting of George W.
Bush.

Speaker 4 That's interesting.

Speaker 1 Very interesting.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 1 the fact that the president hasn't

Speaker 1 liked a single portrait of his, and he gets two because it's a broken presidency. First term, then another president, and then his second term.
He hasn't found the right portrait of him yet.

Speaker 1 This is Glenn Beck.

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Speaker 1 Hi, Tanya.

Speaker 4 Hi.

Speaker 1 Hello.

Speaker 1 How are you, honey?

Speaker 12 Oh, great.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know.

Speaker 4 Excited to be on, Tanya?

Speaker 1 I'm so excited. Dude, I can't even tell you.

Speaker 1 She's impressed with Showbiz. I was waiting for it.
I was waiting for the call, quite honestly. I was like, why haven't they called me yet?

Speaker 1 So Zara said she's less interested in hearing me talk about the experience of the White House and wants to hear more about you. Now, remember, you are, you did sign a non-disclosure on on some parts.

Speaker 1 But what was your whole

Speaker 1 Sarah, what was it you wanted?

Speaker 1 Well, I've known Tanya, I love you dearly.

Speaker 14 Don't take this out on me.

Speaker 14 But I've worked with Glenn for 20 years. He's talked about you so much and how you're never impressed with anything.
And he's like a kid in a candy store with that sort of stuff.

Speaker 14 So I was just wondering how you considered it. Was it impressive at all? Was it something that you...

Speaker 22 Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 22 Yeah, it was

Speaker 12 unbelievable.

Speaker 22 Just being in the Oval Office was amazing. I've never been in the office before, and so that was just walking in there was so humbling.

Speaker 12 And,

Speaker 22 you know, just to keep pinching myself because I couldn't really believe I was there.

Speaker 12 And then getting the tour after the interview was phenomenal.

Speaker 22 I think the last time I was there was... in a high school trip and we actually could go into the White House at that point and didn't see very much, but what we saw yesterday was phenomenal.

Speaker 1 What did you think of him?

Speaker 22 Oh, he's great.

Speaker 12 I mean, he's a normal, regular guy.

Speaker 22 You know, he's very intimidating at first when you meet him, but he just makes you feel comfortable.

Speaker 1 How do you mean he's intimidating when you first meet him?

Speaker 12 What does that mean? Well, he's the president of the United States, for heaven's sake.

Speaker 1 I mean, my gosh, yeah. Like, it's a huge responsibility.
No, I know. I know.

Speaker 1 You know, that's why he says, he'll say to me from time to time.

Speaker 1 He'll say to me from time to time, he'll be like, why didn't you call me? And I'm like, Because you're the president of the United States.

Speaker 1 You don't just call him, hey, Don, what are you doing? You know, that's like, yeah, right. You know.

Speaker 1 So I get that. What did you think of the history that he, I mean, and his grasp of history?

Speaker 22 Yeah, he's, he, he knows his stuff.

Speaker 12 It's clear.

Speaker 22 Pretty amazing. Studied, and he knows, yeah, the history, the presidents, you know, what they did, the kind of people they were.
Yeah, really amazing.

Speaker 1 Did you sense any

Speaker 1 hesitation on anything that

Speaker 1 we talked about on, you know, and where he was going or that you felt like, I felt a little weird about that? No.

Speaker 22 No.

Speaker 12 He was clear.

Speaker 22 He was really clear on everything.

Speaker 1 So you were impressed by where your husband took you yesterday?

Speaker 22 I was. Yeah, it was great.

Speaker 1 It was awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 14 Were you impressed by your husband or by meeting Donald Trump?

Speaker 22 You know.

Speaker 12 Just right there, close second, right behind him.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Right by.

Speaker 22 He did great.

Speaker 1 You mean wait? The interview was great.

Speaker 1 He did a great job. Wait, who was behind who? Was I right behind Donald Trump?

Speaker 4 I think that's clear, Glenn. We didn't need any clarification.

Speaker 1 I love you, sweetheart.

Speaker 7 I love you. Hey, love you, Sarah.

Speaker 14 Love you back.

Speaker 4 All right. That was nice.
I mean, I didn't get any love, but whatever.

Speaker 4 That was good. I mean, it's nice that you can get your wife on the phone now.

Speaker 1 Thank you. That's good.
Thank you.

Speaker 1 She's the one I can still kind of get on the phone from time to time.

Speaker 4 From time to time. It's a good booking by you.

Speaker 1 Yeah, thank you. Congratulations.

Speaker 4 Thank you.

Speaker 1 You know, somebody called up and said that they felt that I was nervous in the interview. I wasn't nervous at all.

Speaker 4 I thought there was a couple. I had that feeling a couple times.

Speaker 1 That I was nervous?

Speaker 4 Yeah, like, I don't know. I mean, it's,

Speaker 4 I had two different feelings actually, about the tariffs. Because you brought up the tariffs and you said, look, I don't, you know, I don't like tariffs.
We've talked about that before.

Speaker 4 And then you started going into it. And he kind of like

Speaker 4 he went, he started explaining why he thought they were necessary. And you kind of like just gave ground on it.

Speaker 1 I didn't think he was really pushing it.

Speaker 4 But sheepishly each time, I thought. I thought it was sheepish.

Speaker 1 He's the president of the.

Speaker 1 I had a 30-minute conversation with him on tariffs where I pushed him him to the wall. I remember.
He's not changing.

Speaker 4 No, he's not.

Speaker 1 And he's the president.

Speaker 4 And he actually, towards the end, he said, you'll like him.

Speaker 4 In a year, we'll have another interview, and you'll tell me that you're going to be.

Speaker 1 And I said, I've been wrong with you before, and I hope to be wrong again. You did.

Speaker 4 It's funny because my initial reaction was you didn't, because you kind of got into this setup of, I don't really like tariffs, but I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Speaker 4 That was kind of your

Speaker 4 concept of that. And you got in the middle of it, and he kind of interrupted you and went on to a point about why he thought tariffs were important.

Speaker 4 And you did bring it up a couple of times. And my first inclination was like, you didn't really fight him on it.
And then my second instinct was,

Speaker 4 I will say, I mean, I've seen a lot of interviews, especially with people on the right with Donald Trump about this topic.

Speaker 4 And it was more pushback than I've seen from anybody, really, to be honest with you. You at least mentioned that.
And I thought, it must be difficult.

Speaker 4 At the White House, in the Roosevelt room, sitting with the President of the United States, to be like, you know, this particular particular policy is not my favorite.

Speaker 4 I mean, there must be, that must be, was there anything like Donald Trump?

Speaker 1 I mean, Donald Trump,

Speaker 1 you know, he, he will go for people who don't like his policies and he will push them to the wall and in a good spirited way and try to figure out why. Yeah.

Speaker 1 But like Zelensky, if you've had that conversation and it's already decided, you know,

Speaker 1 don't keep fighting. Don't keep fighting me on it because you're going to get the same answer over and over again.
And then you're going to become a pest. And then it's like, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? Yeah.

Speaker 4 I mean, you weren't trying to have some big adversarial argument, but you did want to

Speaker 4 get the context of it.

Speaker 1 But I will tell you, this is one of the, and I haven't told him this yet. I'm waiting for the right opportunity to tell him this because I think he'll really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 But I don't know how to tell him this story. We were in Mar-lago.
Stop me if I've told this story before. We were in Mar-Lago.
And he invited, you know, I'm just doing an interview.

Speaker 1 And he's like, you having dinner tonight? What are you doing for dinner? I said, I think we're all going to McDonald's. And he said, no, no, no, come on, have dinner with me in Mar-lago.

Speaker 1 Now, Mar-a-Lago is a jacket player. I'm in a jacket, but everybody else in the crew is in like, you know, black pants and a black t-shirt, you know, their crew.
And

Speaker 1 I said, well,

Speaker 1 Mar-lago? And he said, yeah. And I said, I kind of pointed at everybody and he's like, no, everybody.
So invited everybody to have dinner on him at Mar-lago. So they're, yeah, really nice.

Speaker 1 So we're all sitting at this table. And he comes by and he says, we're looking at the menu and he says, Glenn, you got to have the Salisbury steak.
Have I told you the story?

Speaker 1 Got to have the Salisbury steak. And I said,

Speaker 1 okay. Now, I don't really like Salisbury's.
I remember having Salisbury steak when it was like in the TV dinner kind of thing, you know? And I was like, okay.

Speaker 1 And he's like, no, trust me, you and me, look at us. We like the same kind of food.
And I was like, I think he just called me fat.

Speaker 1 And he said, you you love it. You love it.
Everybody tells me the Salisbury steak, best they've ever had. I'm like, okay, well, I don't know.
I'm the Salisbury steak.

Speaker 1 So I order the Salisbury steak and I eat it. And everybody's waiting at the table.
They're like, well, well, how's a Salisbury steak? And I went, meh.

Speaker 1 And they're like, what? And I said, yeah, I mean, it's not. It's not bad, but it's not, you know, the greatest Salisbury.

Speaker 1 I don't know what is the greatest Salisbury steak in the world, but not your favorite dish.

Speaker 1 It was not bad, but it was meh. Yeah.
And

Speaker 1 who's talking about it? And I said, you know what it is? Because he said, everybody tells me it's the greatest Salisbury steak in the world. I said, nobody is willing to tell him that it's meh.

Speaker 1 You know what I mean? He'll recommend it and then you'll order it. And then he'll come back and say, what'd you think? And they'll say, it was great.

Speaker 1 So nobody has the balls to tell him because he's the president of the United States. Right.
And he right then comes to the table. What'd you think of the Salisbury steak? Best I've ever had, Don.

Speaker 1 I mean, that's really what I said. And I was, as it was coming out of my mouth, I'm like, oh my God, I'm one of those people.
I can't tell him the truth about a stupid Salisbury steak.

Speaker 1 So he's still thinking, if you go into Mar-Lago, meh. Meh.
No matter what he says, meh. But I guarantee you, if you order it and he asks you, you'll tell him it's the best you've ever had.
Guarantee.

Speaker 4 So I thought I did pretty good. No, you did.
I think you did. It was a good interview.
It's not easy. It was a good interview.
And it was enjoyable to watch.

Speaker 4 I think, by the way, it's on YouTube tonight. YouTube.com.
Is it Blaze TV or is it Glenn Beck? Do you know? Glenn Beck. Okay.
So go there. Go to one of those and

Speaker 4 you'll find the interview tonight. Or you can go to Blaze TV, Blazetv.com slash Glenn.
Promo code Glenn, save 20 bucks. It was a good interview, though.

Speaker 4 You went through kind of every big topic and covered a lot of what they went through. But

Speaker 4 it's hard with him, especially. It was interesting because I feel like earlier interviews you've done with him,

Speaker 4 you would ask a question and he would kind of, I wouldn't say filibuster is the right term exactly. It's just kind of who he is.
He goes on and he kind of goes to his thing.

Speaker 4 He was much more willing to have a conversation.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Like he stopped a couple of times when I thought he was going to kind of go on a rant and let you follow up and everything. And I think that led to

Speaker 4 getting to a good amount of stuff rather than two questions and the things over.

Speaker 1 I thought it was good.

Speaker 4 I mean, that must have been a cool experience.

Speaker 1 I asked him after the cameras were off, because I just wanted to tell him this story because I didn't know if he remembered.

Speaker 1 I mean I knew he knew but I didn't know if he connected I said is there is it ironic to you that when Nikolai Tesla died

Speaker 1 your uncle John G Trump who was at MIT was asked by the government to come in and go through his papers to see which is good and which is dangerous, what could be shipped back with him to his home for his museum and his library, and which needed to stay classified.

Speaker 1 And here are now working with the new Tesla. You're working with a guy who brought the name Tesla even back

Speaker 1 and he is our generation's Tesla. And now you're working with him.
I said, have you ever seen the irony in that? And he just lit up and said,

Speaker 1 you know, he likes it when people know stories that nobody knows. You know what I mean? And he said,

Speaker 1 yeah, let me tell you about my uncle. And he just shot an extra, I don't know, five minutes.
They were yelling at him about the, you know, National Security Council is waiting.

Speaker 1 I'm getting dirty looks for even asking it. And he's like, yeah, I want to tell you.

Speaker 1 And his whole staff is like, oh, God.

Speaker 1 I mean, there might be a war that breaks out.

Speaker 1 Can you just let him go do his work, please?

Speaker 1 And so we have that as an extra. And then I also gave a tour of the Roosevelt room as we were setting up.

Speaker 1 Because it's just, it's, it's the White House. I wish people could really take tours of the White House.
You can't.

Speaker 1 I mean, you can take a tour of the White House, but I wish you could take the tour I took with him.

Speaker 1 It's a remarkable building, and unlike the other places that are being treated like trash in Washington, D.C. now, the national,

Speaker 1 I was in the Smithsonian in the

Speaker 1 Portuary. I think it's Portuary.

Speaker 1 I can't remember. It's one of the museums, art museums.
And

Speaker 1 it was, I mean, it looked like it hasn't been cleaned since, you know, 1872.

Speaker 5 It was just in horrible shape.

Speaker 1 And it's just, it's disgusting the way it's all been taken care of. And it's all woke now.
And I talked to the president off that. We were talking about art.
And I said,

Speaker 1 the woke art. He's like, right?

Speaker 1 He's like, it's just garbage. And I'm like, you know, maybe some people appreciate it, but I just, I can't take, I can't take it in in your face as, look how bad America has been.

Speaker 1 Look how bad America is. And he said, yeah, we're changing all that.
It just takes time. This takes time.

Speaker 4 How many presidents have you interviewed now?

Speaker 1 Reagan, GW,

Speaker 1 GHW,

Speaker 1 Trump.

Speaker 4 So every Republican president since

Speaker 1 Reagan. Yeah.
Hmm. That's kind of cool.
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 4 It is. I mean, you know, again, I wouldn't have put you in the Radio Hall of Fame for it, but it's something.

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Speaker 4 Glenn, we had a comment come in from a listener. There is no E or I at the end of Nikola in the name Nikola Tesla.
You keep calling him Nikolai or like Nikolai Chechescu, but that is not his name.

Speaker 1 No, he.

Speaker 1 Nikola. No.
Nikola Tesla. No, he's just Tchescu.

Speaker 1 He is? E.K. killed a bunch of people in orphanages.
Really? I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

Speaker 4 I don't remember that detail. Yeah.

Speaker 1 It really expects me to get a name right on this program. What are you, is this your first day?

Speaker 1 It's true. You've never.

Speaker 1 I've never.

Speaker 1 That's not on my resume as one of my strengths. Okay.

Speaker 1 No, no.

Speaker 4 In fact, even with people that you know, I mean, you know,

Speaker 4 how many times has Jason Battrill been on the program over the years?

Speaker 4 I don't know who that is, but he

Speaker 4 it usually happens when Jason Buttrill is in the room, and uh, you'd think you'd know his name.

Speaker 1 You're really pissing me off right now. You're just pissing me off.
I just want you to know,

Speaker 1 and there you have it. Another example of why Glenn Beck is in the Radio Hall of Fame, exactly right.
And who isn't?

Speaker 4 Stu. That's true.
I've never interviewed zero presidents.

Speaker 1 No, you were with me the first time, the first time we interviewed George H.W. Bush.
We were together. And you were vomiting blood.

Speaker 4 That one I was really vomiting blood on. You know, since then, you've done

Speaker 1 others.

Speaker 4 Yeah,

Speaker 4 certainly Trump. And again, Trump, I think, has a different vibe to him.
It's much more, I think, welcoming. I mean, we've talked to him, obviously, several times, but it's still your interview.

Speaker 4 And same thing with George H.W. Bush.

Speaker 4 We went to his house and Kenabunkport to do an interview, and I had to get all the technical stuff, all all equipment that was brand new out of the box we'd never used before.

Speaker 4 And I spent all night getting it ready to record this interview. And I had the regular, and last minute we added a backup just in case.
And I had two ways of recording it. Only the backup worked.

Speaker 4 The other one didn't.

Speaker 4 After all night testing, it I was terrified. I didn't even tell you that we were having all these problems during the interview.
I was just like,

Speaker 1 we got off the interview. He's like, we got it.
And I'm like, of course we got it. And he's like, no, you don't have any idea how close we were to not having a word of that recorded.

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Speaker 1 Andrew Clavin, host of the Andrew Clavin program, the Andrew Clavin Show. How are you, sir? I'm good.

Speaker 5 It's good to see you.

Speaker 1 Good to see you. It's been amazing.
I don't think I've seen you out of your element. I don't think ever.

Speaker 1 Yes, I've been here many times to this.

Speaker 5 Have you?

Speaker 1 Yeah, sure. Really? Yeah.
Well, they're memorable ever since.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I get this reaction a lot.

Speaker 1 Who are you again?

Speaker 1 No, I just love you. I just love you.
And you, I got to tell you, the best compliment I can give you is your son is remarkable. He's remarkable.

Speaker 1 And, you know, I hope someday somebody will say that about my children.

Speaker 5 Cleveland 2.0.

Speaker 1 Yeah, really remarkable.

Speaker 1 You and your wife are amazing parents. Oh, well, thank you.
So tell me about the Kingdom of

Speaker 1 Kane and talk down to me.

Speaker 5 Actually, it's a really simple book and very entertaining because it's about the movies that we all love, like the sockets.

Speaker 1 Wait, wait, wait, wait. He says this.

Speaker 1 Let me read this to you, Stuart, and see if you understand what this is. Sure.

Speaker 1 The Kingdom of Cain looks at three murders in history, including the first murder, Kane's killing of his brother, Abel, and at the art created from imaginative engagement from those horrific events by artists ranging from Dostoevsky to Hitchcock.

Speaker 1 To make beauty out of the world as it is, shot through with evil and injustice and suffering.

Speaker 1 It is the task not just of the artist, but Clavin argues of

Speaker 1 every life rightly lived. Examining how the transformation occurs in art grants us a vision on how it can happen in our lives.
What's this book about?

Speaker 4 I don't know what you're missing.

Speaker 1 That was perfect.

Speaker 5 I'll tell you, though, I'm a crime writer, right?

Speaker 1 I write Mystery and Suspension.

Speaker 5 I get this letter all the time, constantly. It says, you call yourself a Christian.
That part is true. And yet you write about horrific things.
You write about murder.

Speaker 5 You write about prostitutes and gangsters and all this stuff. Why do you do that? And the reason is very simple.
I believe that God is the central fact of reality.

Speaker 5 And I believe that any artist who speaks truthfully about reality will speak about God.

Speaker 5 And so what I did was I took three murders, three very famous murders, and I showed how they inspired works of art. over and over and over again.

Speaker 5 Not just one work of art, but they kept coming back and those works of art inspired other works of art and how those works of art actually speak about something that happens to a society when it begins to lose its faith, as our society has certainly done.

Speaker 5 And they chart those works of art, and some of them are just, some of them are like the stupidest little horror movie, and yet the guy who was making that horror movie understood what he was talking about and can show you.

Speaker 5 If you go back, for instance, and watch a slasher movie like Halloween, which is actually quite a good little scary movie, it actually is about the fall of the end of faith and how that destroys sexual responsibilities.

Speaker 5 So that takes place in a suburb. Wait, wait.

Speaker 5 Have you seen it?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I've seen it.

Speaker 5 It takes place in a suburb where there are no moms and the dads are very weak. And this knife-wielding crazy man comes back and basically preys on kids having sex while nobody's watching it.

Speaker 5 And it's a very, very stark picture. I'll bet if you asked the director what he was doing, he would tell you that.
Because it's right in the movie when you notice it.

Speaker 5 But you have to be watching for it. And the thing is,

Speaker 5 these movies are,

Speaker 5 you know, not just movies, but novels. The arts really reveal the conscience of a culture.
Yes.

Speaker 5 And so taking the way that they look at murder tells us things that are bad about our culture, but it also tells us about ways that we want to go in the future.

Speaker 5 The role, for instance, of psychiatrists in these films.

Speaker 5 Most of these films are based on murder committed by Ed Gein in the 1950s, a guy in Wisconsin who used to kill women, right, and then dress up in their bodies, just like in Silence of the Lambs.

Speaker 5 That inspired psycho. It inspired a really good horror movie called The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, even though it's a crazy title, it's actually a good movie.

Speaker 5 The Silence of the Lambs, all of these movies grow out of that one murder. And what's it about? It's about confusion, about sexual, about gender.
We don't see a lot of that going around nowadays,

Speaker 5 but in fact, it's everywhere. And these things were happening.
These movies were being made in the 1950s, 60s, 70s, and 80s and on.

Speaker 5 And so they were predicting, as art often does, what was going to happen and explaining why.

Speaker 1 Do you think Alfred Hitchcock knew that this was coming, or was he just making a good, he was a good storyteller?

Speaker 5 If you are a good storyteller, who was it? T.S. Eliot said a great poet writes himself, and in writing himself, he writes his time.
And I think that that's what happens.

Speaker 5 These artists basically bring something out of themselves, but it reveals... where we all are and that reveals where we're going, right? If you see where we are, you can tell where we're going.

Speaker 5 And that's why the book does not just concentrate on the darkness. It actually says, well, what do you do? How do you react?

Speaker 5 Now that we know what's happening, how do you react to those things in a creative,

Speaker 5 joyful way? Because this is what, look,

Speaker 5 the Bible doesn't say things are going to be great, right? The Bible says,

Speaker 1 yeah, you know,

Speaker 1 if God's going to be able to do it, that's not the main point.

Speaker 5 And yet at the same time, it says rejoice evermore. And so one of the things that really bothers me about Christian movies is they don't really represent life.

Speaker 5 If you do a Christian movie that has real things in it, you get slammed. Why would you put that in there? Why was there sex? Why was there violence? Why was there murder?

Speaker 5 One of the major influences that turned me to Christ when I was 19 years old, it took three decades to kick in, but it was reading Crime and Punishment, the great novel by Dostoevsky, about an axe murder and about a prostitute who basically turns this axe murderer's life around.

Speaker 5 If you walked into a Christian bookstore today and said, could I have that book about the axe murderer and the hooker? You know, they'd look at you.

Speaker 1 They wouldn't be there.

Speaker 5 Yeah, they would look at you like you were nuts.

Speaker 5 But because Dostoevsky was a great artist and a great Christian, one of the truly deep and interesting Christians in history, he revealed something about the philosophies that were rising up at that time and that are still with us today, the philosophies that later became spoken out by Nietzsche, and Nietzsche affected all of the leftist philosophers that you and I love so much and have done so many good things for our society.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 let's pretend somebody didn't read that by Dosievsky or whatever his name is. And

Speaker 1 tell us the story and exactly what,

Speaker 1 what he was teaching.

Speaker 5 Well, the idea was that God is dead, God is gone, and therefore...

Speaker 5 instead of having this horrible Christian philosophy that is nice to the poor and the weak and has charity and compassion, we need strong special men like Napoleon, for instance, who are going to make their own law.

Speaker 5 And this man in the story, Crime and Punishment, says, well, if I can make my own law, I can murder somebody and

Speaker 1 it won't be a sin, it won't be wrong.

Speaker 5 And then he actually accomplishes this murder and finds, oh, wait, oh, wait, I have actually shattered the moral order and now my life is spiraling out of control.

Speaker 5 Now, Nietzsche wrote his philosophy, which was the exact philosophy in this book, after Dostoevsky wrote the novel. And then his philosophy inspired two murderers in America named Leopold and Loeb.

Speaker 5 This was called the Crime of the Century, the Crime of the 20th Century. I don't remember it.
I know, nobody remembers it now, but it was one of the biggest crimes of the century.

Speaker 5 It's inspired countless movies and television shows. It was two kids.

Speaker 5 They were rich, gay, Jewish kids in the suburbs.

Speaker 1 What year?

Speaker 5 This is 19,

Speaker 5 I want to say

Speaker 5 30 or 40, yeah.

Speaker 5 And yeah, it was the 30s, I'm sorry. And they decided, well, we're supermen, like Nietzsche.
They read Nietzsche and they thought, yes, this is what we want to be, one of them.

Speaker 5 And we're going to commit the perfect murder just to show that we can do it. And so they just picked a kid at random who they knew and took him out and killed him.
This is rope.

Speaker 5 Exactly. Exactly.

Speaker 5 Rope. And rope became the Hitchcock film and also inspired Compulsion is another movie, almost a true movie about it.
And it just pops up again and again.

Speaker 5 Two people who say, we're going to commit the perfect murder because we're superior. If you look for it, you'll find it in one story after another.

Speaker 5 And it's based on the idea that there's no God, and therefore anything is permissible, and strong men have to make the rules.

Speaker 1 That's one of the best movies of Hitchcock, and nobody even knows it.

Speaker 1 Great movie from Hitchcock, and great movie with Jimmy Stewart. Yep.
I mean, just really, and disturbing.

Speaker 5 And written by the original play was written by the guy who also wrote a play called Gaslight, which is where we get the word gaslighting.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 5 And so I talk all about these works of art and these works of movies. And

Speaker 5 listen, I think it's an entertaining book, Glenn.

Speaker 1 So I will read it. I love your work.
I love your work. But you know, most people, if you don't know who Andrew Clavin is, you've written movies.
I mean, you've written some just thrilling novels

Speaker 1 and novels that have been made into movies. And I'm a huge, huge fan.
But, I mean,

Speaker 1 you know, you are talking to mice here.

Speaker 5 Well, I try to just make it about things that people like and enjoy.

Speaker 1 So what is the lesson

Speaker 1 that we learn from all of this?

Speaker 5 Well, I think the most important lesson, if I can call it that in the book, is that beauty has something to do with the answer to evil.

Speaker 5 You know, one of the things that keeps people from believing in God, they say there's so much evil in the world.

Speaker 5 How can a good God allow this evil to exist?

Speaker 5 And at the end of the book, the last third of the book, which is a very personal statement about what I do to basically live joyfully in a world that I can see as evil, it ends with looking at the Pietà, the statue by Michelangelo, that is one of the most beautiful works of sculpture on earth.

Speaker 5 It's beautiful. But think about what it's about, Glenn.
It's about a mother with her dead son. It is about a world with a dead God.
It is the worst moment in human history.

Speaker 5 And yet Michelangelo, a man, made it beautiful.

Speaker 5 And my question at the end of the book is, if a man can take that misery, that suffering, that evil, and turn it into beauty, what can God do with the world that we're living in now when he works in the marble of eternity?

Speaker 5 And so I work my way to that point by going through the movies that we watch and the stories that we read and why we're so fascinated with murder.

Speaker 5 We think about true crime. This is what this is about.

Speaker 1 It's about true crime. Why are we?

Speaker 5 Because it is the borderline where you cannot say there's something right about this.

Speaker 5 It's the place where we suddenly realize that the moral order has its gray points, but it also has a very stark platform.

Speaker 1 Explain to me, explain to me why

Speaker 1 shows like, let's say, Yellowstone

Speaker 1 are so satisfying because you're kind of like,

Speaker 1 I kind of like seeing that guy taken to the train station. You know what I mean? Yep.
You know that it's wrong, but you're kind of in there. You know what I mean? You're kind of like,

Speaker 1 you know, and you feel, at least I do. I mean, I'm sure a lot of people watching there are like, ah, that's fine.
I watch it and I'm like, I don't like the fact that I kind of, I'm rooting for them.

Speaker 5 I think the best art does that to you. It makes you think like, yeah, I'm really enjoying this, but that actually tells me something about myself that now I have to go and think about.

Speaker 5 And that's what art.

Speaker 5 See, a lot of people think that art is like a sugar pill that they use to... give you a little lesson in life, a little parable sort of.
But I don't think that's what it is at all.

Speaker 5 I think it's an experience that you really can't have in your life that broadens the way you look at life. It broadens your view of humanity.

Speaker 5 And so when you get Christian stories like God is not dead, I don't want to pick on anybody, but still, you get... But he's going to pick on them.
I'll pick on them.

Speaker 5 The guy is hit by a car and everybody says, well, at least he was saved.

Speaker 5 And I think, really, we can't just say, we can't call his wife first and say this is a sad moment, you know, that we grieve when people die.

Speaker 5 We can't say we're horrified by death and afraid.

Speaker 5 So I want Christian art that deals with life in a real way, that shows people are afraid and people have evil thoughts and people want to justify murder and there are moments when we all sort of think, look, if you go off into a room by yourself and ask, how can I make the perfect world?

Speaker 5 Within two minutes, so help me, you will be committing mass murder in your mind. You'll be saying, well, first I got to get rid of these people because these people can't be reformed.

Speaker 5 You will wipe them out, right? And so that's who we all are. And when we start to see that,

Speaker 5 I believe that that's actually a layer on top of who we really are. I believe who we really are is who Christ wants us to be, this

Speaker 5 person. And so that's the question.
How do you get through that layer? And so that's what artists do for us.

Speaker 5 They show us our true selves, and they lead our conscience to the place that it's supposed to go.

Speaker 1 Our natural soul is who Christ wants us to be. Right.
And then we're encapsulated in this flesh, and the natural man is an enemy to that. That's right.
And it's the battle back and forth.

Speaker 5 And that's what art is, right? That battle. That's where drama comes from.
That's where tragedy comes from.

Speaker 5 You know, one of the stories I mention in the Kingdom of Cain is Macbeth because it's such a great story about... murder.

Speaker 5 And it ends with the most beautiful speech about nihilism, about things, nothing makes sense, nothing is worth anything, right? Life is a tale told by an idiot.

Speaker 5 But because you're watching the play, you understand that Shakespeare's not saying that. A guy who has detached himself from the moral order is saying that.

Speaker 5 He's lost the the meaning of life because he's detached himself from the meaning of life.

Speaker 5 And so studying murder and writing art about murder takes you to the most serious questions about who we are and who we really are and what we really want and how we, you know, we, that inner battle that goes on, which is, to me, the source of drama.

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Speaker 1 So doing this kind of research on history, art, murder, societal mischief, you have to have seen the patterns that keep repeating. Where are we in

Speaker 1 this cycle?

Speaker 5 I think we're at a hinge point. I think this is the most important moment in the culture in either of our lifetimes.
I agree with that.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think that a very natural, you know, people have to follow people in general, if you take them as the big picture, they have to follow an idea to its furthest extent.

Speaker 5 And basically when Newton said, you know, things don't actually work by magic. Things bump into each other and move around.

Speaker 5 It was very natural to extrapolate from that, to move on from that, and say, well, we don't really need a God. We've got this clockwork.
It just kind of moves itself.

Speaker 5 And then you had Darwin saying, you don't even need, you know, God to create people. They just kind of grow up out of this accidental process that goes on.

Speaker 5 Now, that idea doesn't really make sense, and Newton didn't believe it, certainly. But it had to work itself out, and it took centuries.
And over those centuries, our faith has vanished.

Speaker 5 It has disappeared. Even the people who believe don't really believe in the way people believed when they believed.

Speaker 1 Correct.

Speaker 5 You know, they don't actually see God everywhere, which is my big argument about if there's a God, you can see Him.

Speaker 5 Everything is the expression of His nature.

Speaker 1 Everything is a breadcrumb that leads to Him.

Speaker 5 Right. But the thing is, the science is now about 100 years behind because the science has changed.

Speaker 5 And one of the things that even the greatest theoretical physicists have said is there is a spirit behind matter. There must be,

Speaker 5 our minds create part of reality, so there must have been a mind to create reality. We begin to find that actually the world looks a lot like the Bible says it does.
You know, it's a big surprise.

Speaker 5 And so a lot of those people who were saying, you know, I think the Bible has more truth in it than people say it does, were absolutely right.

Speaker 5 Now, because we lost that, We lost even the sense that our bodies meant something. So you say like, oh, here's a little girl.
If I cut her up and make her into a a make-believe man, she'll be a man.

Speaker 5 If I castrate this child,

Speaker 5 I can make him into a little girl.

Speaker 5 That's an insane thing to say. I mean, that's not even a rational thing to say.
But it actually makes sense if there's no God.

Speaker 5 If there's no God and we are just bodies, just pieces of flesh, then why not turn a male body into a female body and call it a girl?

Speaker 5 The answer to my friend Matt Walsh's question, what is a woman, is actually a spiritual answer. It's not a physical answer.
A woman is something,

Speaker 5 what a soul becomes

Speaker 5 when she's born with a woman's body. That is something real.

Speaker 5 And so if we don't start talking about spirit again, I mean, I think all of us, everybody uses terms like it's an adrenaline rush or it's, you know,

Speaker 5 as if the chemical were causing our experience. But the chemical is just a messenger bringing the experience to the body.

Speaker 5 If we can start to learn that actually our faith was real and see the world that way again, this will be one of the great turning points in the right direction.

Speaker 5 And in fact, we will make America great again.

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Speaker 1 We're with

Speaker 1 Andrew Clavin, host of the Andrew Clavin Show. You can hear it on the Daily Wire, watch it on the Daily Wire.
He's also the author of a book called The Kingdom of Cain,

Speaker 1 How We Can Find God Through Life's Darkest Moments. I think that's the only way you can find God.
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
I mean, I went through some of the darkest things. I mean,

Speaker 1 I would not wish my life on anybody, you know, the bad parts of my life on anybody. But it is because of that I am who I am today.

Speaker 1 It's because of that my relationship with God is much different and much deeper.

Speaker 5 See, this is why I think good... Christian art is so important, because I had a character in one novel, True Crime, who said, you have to believe in a God of the sad world.

Speaker 5 And this was before I became a Christian, because if you don't believe in a God of the sad world, the sadness is going to kill you.

Speaker 5 If you think, you know, those guys who preach prosperity, that everything's going to go great if you just believe, then when you hit that wall, that wall of suffering that Christ knew about and talks about and tells you is coming, then suddenly you lose your faith.

Speaker 5 You think I got short-changed. And so...

Speaker 5 I really want art. I want art that's just honest, that just shows you life as it is, because I think God will speak through that.

Speaker 5 I think even artists who don't believe create holy art if they are truthful. You know, a lot of them aren't, but when they are,

Speaker 5 you will find God in art. And I think the arts, in some ways, the arts have taught me almost as much about God as theology has because

Speaker 5 we live in an authored world. We live in a world that is a work of art in a sense.
It is a creation.

Speaker 1 I was in one of the art, Smithsonian Art Museum, American Art and Portraiture. And

Speaker 1 I I'm so sick of the woke stuff.

Speaker 1 I am so sick of the woke stuff.

Speaker 5 Well, this is one of the things I really like about Trump is that he's the first president to notice it and to sort of say, we've got to get a new guy in the Smithsonian.

Speaker 5 We've got to get a new guy at the National Gallery, which I'm in all the time.

Speaker 5 I'm in that museum constantly. And

Speaker 5 all of our presidents' homes have been taken over by these people.

Speaker 5 I'm interested in how the slaves lived at Mount Vernon, but I'm not at Mount Vernon because I'm there at Mount Vernon because George Washington lived there.

Speaker 5 And that's the main thing you want to hear about. I mean, these are great men who lived in their times.
And like all of us, they partook of the violence and evil of their times, as we all do.

Speaker 1 I mean, I can't believe the same people who say slavery is so bad, and I would have stood up against it. Really? Show me your iPhone.
Yeah. Take out your iPhone.
Yep.

Speaker 1 Because that's the same damn thing.

Speaker 5 And where do you stand on abortion? That's the other thing, too.

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 don't lecture me about people 200 years ago when you're doing the same thing. If you say

Speaker 1 you would have stood up against slavery then. Why aren't you standing up against it now just by saying, I will not buy any products from China?

Speaker 5 This is the introduction to the kingdom of Cain. So help me.
This is exactly.

Speaker 5 Yes, what it says is, look, this is what we, you know, you know that movie, The Zone of Interests, where the guy, it's about a guy who's running a death camp.

Speaker 5 It's a true, based on a true story, about a guy running a death camp, and he lives in a little... beautiful little house right off the death camp with his wife and his king.

Speaker 1 You talked about death.

Speaker 1 It's an amazing, amazing story. It's a taunting story.

Speaker 5 And I say at the beginning of the kingdom of Cain, I say, we all live in in the zone of interest.

Speaker 5 We're all living in a nice little house, knowing we're surrounded by evil and not really, we're not really doing anything about it.

Speaker 5 People like you and I, we speak up about it. We have conscience and all this stuff, but we know this stuff.
I have an iPhone.

Speaker 5 I know where it's coming.

Speaker 1 I beat myself up about this all the time, Andrew.

Speaker 1 It's like

Speaker 1 you think you do so much, and then you really haven't. You really haven't.

Speaker 1 This is the nature of the world.

Speaker 5 That's why when they say rejoice evermore, you think like, wait, now? Like, now am am I supposed to? Yes, now.

Speaker 5 And that's why, for instance, when people get up and say, oh, we're standing on land owned by the Indians, I think, well, if you're not giving it back, you don't have to bring it up.

Speaker 1 Exactly right. Exactly.
It's not doing anything. And you know what? I'd just like to point out they stole it from somebody else.
I mean, it's the way.

Speaker 1 Exactly. This is the way it keeps happening.
This is the nature of the world.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Tell me where we are as a society.

Speaker 1 Where are we?

Speaker 5 Well, I always laugh about you, and maybe because you're like the mask of tragedy. I'm like the mask of comedy.
I'm always hopeful, and this is a hopeful moment.

Speaker 1 I'm kind of appalled at the way,

Speaker 5 not the way the left, we know how the left is going to cover Trump, he's Hitler, he's the worst thing ever, but I'm a little bit appalled about the way the right is covering Trump, as if everything he does has to work today.

Speaker 5 Because China is a slave state, she can sit around and say,

Speaker 5 the president of China can sit around and say, I've got a 20-year plan we're going to institute to take over the world. And everybody goes, yes, sir, that's what we'll do.

Speaker 5 Like Like with Trump, it's supposed to work by the end of business day today.

Speaker 5 And if your stock is worth a little bit less, and they even bring up things like, oh, retirees. Yeah, because retirees are on the clock.

Speaker 5 But if you are doing what Trump is trying to do, which is rejigger our economy so that we can stand up to China in the years to come, That's a big thing to do.

Speaker 5 You know, to pluck out this cancer of bureaucracy that has basically overridden the Constitution is not easy.

Speaker 5 And I hear people saying, oh, these people are being fired and it's sad. And yeah, it is.
I call this teardrop news. You know, there's always somebody who's being hurt.

Speaker 5 But that bureaucracy is the worst thing in this country. You know, it is just a terrible, it has glued the gears of democracy together.

Speaker 5 And I think that, you know, it's not that the bureaucrats themselves are all bad. That's ridiculous.
Some of them are lovely people doing as good a job as they can.

Speaker 5 But the structure where the Senate and the House do nothing and just say, yeah, that agency is going to take care of it,

Speaker 5 That's a recipe for slavery. And he's trying to get rid of it.
And so Elon Musk is now a supervillain, you know, instead of one of the most creative. Do we make it?

Speaker 1 I mean,

Speaker 1 because it's, I don't know how you get to a place

Speaker 1 from here where, you know, we all know, and even the president knows, I don't have this moving in the right direction. In the next 18 months, we're done.
Right.

Speaker 5 So I think, like, I remember Reagan came in, and when you try to get rid of the kind of inflation, stagflation we had, you have to increase unemployment.

Speaker 5 And so Reagan was not that popular in the first year.

Speaker 5 And I think he lost in the midterms. He lost spin seats in the midterms.
But by the time his first term was over, he won like every state. There was like three guys who didn't vote for him.

Speaker 5 I mean, it really was a landslide. And so I'm kind of hoping that's going to happen this time.
I actually have a small bet.

Speaker 5 And I've been right a lot about Trump after I kind of caught on to who he was. I have a small bet he's going to win the midterms.

Speaker 5 And I think that that is going to be a really interesting turn of events.

Speaker 1 So if he wins the midterms,

Speaker 1 look out.

Speaker 5 Yeah, I think it'll be really exciting. Why do you say that?

Speaker 5 Because I think the things that he's doing are right, but I don't think they're instantaneous. I think that he is actually on the right track.
We should be, you know, people say, oh, he's got tariffs.

Speaker 5 Tariffs are bad. And you think, well, if tariffs are bad, why are they on us? You know, if it's such a great thing to have a trade deficit, how come no one else has one except us?

Speaker 5 How come they're they're not fighting for a trade deficit as well? So I think

Speaker 5 what he's trying to say is that World War II is a long time ago.

Speaker 5 After World War II, not only were our enemies in ruins, but our competitors were in ruins. So

Speaker 5 it was great. It was easy pickings.
And even a little bit, we got a little bit of that hit after the Soviet Union came down. But those days are done.

Speaker 5 We have to compete in the in the market of nations. And that doesn't work if Europe is sitting around going, oh, we have healthcare.
We don't have to protect ourselves from China and Russia.

Speaker 5 America will do that for us.

Speaker 5 Those savages don't have health care, so they can afford to take care of us. Well, no, that's not the way it's going to work anymore.
We can't be in a situation where China,

Speaker 5 we can fight China as long as China will sell us the bullets, basically.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 Are Americans adult enough to...

Speaker 5 Well, after a generation of watching superhero movies, I do not know. You know, that is something that really bothers me.
Somebody once asked me, me, why do you hate superhero movies?

Speaker 5 And I say, because there's no sex and death in them.

Speaker 5 And that's kind of what life is about.

Speaker 5 And I don't know.

Speaker 5 This is a time.

Speaker 5 I'm going to say this, I'll probably be hit by some bolt of lightning. This is a time for men.

Speaker 5 This is a time when men have to stand up and say, yes, it is sad that people are being fired, but this is what has to be done.

Speaker 5 Yes, it's sad that the stock market is dropping for a little while, but this is what has to happen. This is the kind of thing that men say to women, basically, to calm them down and we go forward.

Speaker 5 And when I say women, I mean journalists.

Speaker 5 I think that this is a time for that kind of cool, calm, collected idea that certain steps have to be taken.

Speaker 1 That's what the president said to me yesterday.

Speaker 5 Is it really? Yeah, there you go. He said, I'm just in passion.
He said it is.

Speaker 1 It is.

Speaker 1 It has to be done.

Speaker 1 And he said, if I don't do it, I don't see anybody on the horizon that will. He said, I'm willing to do it.

Speaker 1 And

Speaker 5 this is why Trump is Trump.

Speaker 1 Yeah, it has to be be done. And he's right.
And I, you know, I had somebody

Speaker 1 who is, you know, in the vicinity of,

Speaker 1 you know, our economy. And I don't want to out them for saying anything, but they were in the vicinity of our economy and would know.
And I talked to them before the Trump interview.

Speaker 1 And I said, you know, I have a feeling that people don't really understand how much trouble we're really in, you know, because no president has told you the truth. Nobody's told you the truth.

Speaker 1 Everybody's like, oh, no, we can just keep living this way. No, we can't.
We can't. And I said, I think we're at the end of this.
And Trump knows it. And he's trying to change everything.

Speaker 1 And I said, and I feel if he fails, we're out. And the individual reached out and put their hand on my shoulder.
Now, this is somebody who is, you know, right in the mix.

Speaker 1 put their hand on my shoulder and looked me in the eye and said no Glenn

Speaker 1 we're done like I when I said we're done, wasn't deep enough of the understanding. No, no, Glenn, we are done

Speaker 1 if this doesn't work. And I don't think people have that understanding yet.
We're playing for very high stakes, and there is no way to pull away from the table. Our chair has been pushed in by us.

Speaker 1 For too long, we have not been willing to put our chips down on the table and let the game just keep going and us not really playing for it.

Speaker 1 Now we have a serious player down at the table saying, you know, we're going to lose everything unless I play and you trust me as a card player right now

Speaker 1 to read the room right and take our money back off the table. Otherwise we're folding and we're out.

Speaker 5 Yeah, because I mean, this was the revelation of COVID, right?

Speaker 5 The revelation of COVID was our elites don't know what they're doing and they don't, and they don't care about the things they said they care about. Yes.

Speaker 5 And they lie to us and they want us to be quiet. And basically, that's the end of the country.
That's the end of what America is. And in order to get that country back, part of it is economic.

Speaker 5 I mean, you know, nobody talks about it, well, that's not true. People are talking about it now.

Speaker 5 Women aren't having babies, and people are killing themselves from despair so much that for a while,

Speaker 5 until a few months ago, it was bringing down life expectancy because people were taking drugs and drinking themselves to death. And so that's not a good society, right? That's not the 1950s anymore.

Speaker 5 This is not that time of time.

Speaker 1 My wife and I were walking down the street of Washington, D.C. yesterday, or two days ago, and

Speaker 1 this guy comes up on a bike, black man on a bike, probably 30 years old, looks normal enough.

Speaker 1 And he's just, he rides, and then he starts circling us on one of these big sidewalks. And he starts shouting at us, I'm going to kill me a white man today.
I'm going to kill me a white man today.

Speaker 1 I promised myself today was the day I was going to kill me a white man. And he keeps circling and looks at me.
And what he doesn't realize, I have two other people that are just behind us with guns.

Speaker 1 And that's not going to happen today, Jack. But he was just, I don't know what he was doing.

Speaker 1 Was he psychotic? Was he pushed by society? I don't know what that was. I don't know what that was, but that's happening everywhere.

Speaker 5 Well, when you see all the homelessness, they make believe it's because they don't have enough houses, but that's not true. That's all, almost all mental illness and drug use.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think we're living, we have lived through a mentally ill century. I think the things that people say, the the things that they believe are nuts.

Speaker 5 And I think if we don't start to say, you know, I mean, you kind of see it with the Democrats as they scramble to get back power, and they say the first thing we have to do is we have to bring back a gang member from prison and import him back into the country because we're a horrible thing that we're doing this.

Speaker 1 You say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Speaker 5 You know, the Constitution is not a suicide pact. I'm not sure that.

Speaker 1 Exactly right. Exactly right.
Andrew, thank you so much. It's great to see you.

Speaker 5 It's always good to see you.

Speaker 1 Andrew Clavin, host of the Andrew Clavin Show. You'll find that on the Daily Wire, which you should subscribe to.
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Speaker 1 It's been a great day. Thank you so much for listening today.

Speaker 1 If you would like to watch the interview that I did with the president yesterday from the White House,

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Speaker 4 Yeah, and then you might watch the NFL draft. That's tonight as well.

Speaker 4 Our two favorite teams are picking right next to each other. Yours is picking 31st, and mine's picking 32nd.

Speaker 1 I wonder why.

Speaker 4 Do we have a reason

Speaker 4 why are they in that particular order?

Speaker 1 Does anyone remember?

Speaker 4 I don't remember because the Eagles are picking last in the draft, and then the Chiefs are second to last. Is there a reason for that?

Speaker 1 Did they

Speaker 1 rules?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think the rules state Philadelphia sucks. Oh, is that it? Yeah, and so they want to give you the last shot.

Speaker 1 They're just too temperamental. Oh, too general.

Speaker 4 Well, that's fair.

Speaker 1 That's the reason that's probably fair.

Speaker 4 They haven't burned the city down in weeks.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I know, I know.

Speaker 4 Glenn. So come on, give us a chance.

Speaker 1 Well, they just wanted to make sure that

Speaker 1 the place that lost Andy Reid

Speaker 1 goes after the place where they want to

Speaker 1 give him the advantage.

Speaker 1 They're like, hey, Andy Reid,

Speaker 1 he's such a great guy. Let's get him.
And the people that lost him, ask Room.

Speaker 4 That's what he was. Andy Reid's a great coach.

Speaker 4 I will not deny that.

Speaker 1 Those are the reasons I can think of.

Speaker 4 Didn't help him a few weeks ago in February. But that's a whole other story for another day, Glenn.

Speaker 1 And too bad we're out of time to pursue that tourist story today.

Speaker 1 We'll see it tomorrow.

Speaker 1 And tonight on YouTube,

Speaker 1 if you did miss the presidential interview, it was a great one. You should watch it.
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