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Hello, Stu. Glenn, how are you? You're fired up today, I can tell.
Oh, I'm fired. Well, I got up early this morning and I read Paul Krugman.
Why would you do that? Well, because he was saying about, you know, his op-ed on make sweatshops great again. And I just had to see his ridiculous case, and then I just couldn't stop writing.

I don't even know if I started that monologue now. I don't even know if I get to the end of it by the end of the show.
I kind of just vomited, you know, Paul Krugman truths. And I can't wait to share as much of it as I can next hour.
But I wanted to start with something that I, you know, Jessica Krause, do you know who she is? It's Friday, so I want you to know. I'm going off the rails just a little bit, but this is what she wrote on her substack.
Back in January, I predicted a split. Too many divided sightings too much distance and michelle obama's

absence at the inauguration was telling from the outside they appeared to be leading separate lives but the bigger story was whispers of his affair don't get me started on the chef's drowning right there you have me hooked i'm there i'm there okay wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute the chef's drowning's drowning up in Martha's Vineyard? Yeah. Okay.
Really? What happened with that one? For months, rumors of him and the actress weren't just idle gossip. They came from well-placed sources on both coasts, the kind of people who would know.
And if there's one thing Hollywood women can't do, it's keep a good scandal quiet trust me i live through depp versus heard today i got unexpected confirmation from a long time friend connected to la's elite circles oh well that's credibility for you there i mean but i'm not dismissing it please please please i'm all on board on this one i i believe i I believe. Anyway, she's never been one for gossip, but reached out unprompted.
You were right. I didn't want to believe it, but it's true, and it's getting around.
The twist? Reportedly an open marriage arrangement, which might help sidestep a messy public split. But make no mistake.
Jennifer anison with the good hair isn't just it isn't just a passing fling west coast ladies say she's embedded in barack obama's world wait west coast ladies are west coast ladies all of them all of them so all ladies on the west coast i'm just reporting the news okay she embedded in She embedded in Barack Obama's world too serious to be dismissed. Will they ever go public? I don't know.
I don't know. Will they? Won't they? I don't know.
Do you care? I'm curious if you care. Strangely do.
Strangely do. Why? Why would you care about such a thing? Well, first of all, it's an affair with Jennifer Aniston, and she should know about her because she's already made this movie.
It's called The Object of My Affection. Isn't that a story about a romantic fling with her gay best friend? I think that's what it was.
Have you actually seen that movie? There's no way you've seen The Object of My Affection. No, somebody on the staff this morning said that i'm like i'm stealing that line i didn't even know what that movie was no it's it's a jennifer aniston movie about how much she falls in love with her gay best friend and i'm like you're right right this is that movie oh now the other reason why i would bring this up is because i don't think we spent enough time

on this yesterday can we bring up the full screen of michelle obama uh we have a picture

as of wednesday night one day after the launch michelle obama's new podcast which had a huge

marketing push in fact look it up see what it is now because now that it's friday it only got 14 000 youtube views in 15 hours on youtube i could fart for an hour and we'd get more youtube views than that but anyway uh so here she is launching a new podcast uh and g Newsom is launching a podcast. Both of these people just think people are going to clamor.
It's like, we need a new Joe Rogan. Well, good luck.
What are you, Frankenstein? People like Joe Rogan because he's Joe Rogan. He's honest.
He's coming to the plate with actually who he is. You people don't even know who you are.
You have no idea. Oh, but there are some.
There are some out there, Michelle, who know who you are, Big Mike. I'm just saying.
I'm just saying. You want some YouTube views? Play into that.
All right. I'm Michelle Obama, and I just want you to know i'm not going to tell you on the next

episode that i'm big mike but i'm not not going to tell you that either million views without you even saying a word million views i'm just here to help you out now uh i guess they are up after two days uh what is the last night was 157 000 what is it now 157 535 okay all right so 500 more people looked at it last night which is great but 157 000 views it certainly follows the pattern of someone who's bought a bunch of views i don't know if that happened they're like you you don't have 14,000 over 12 hours.

157,000, you go all the way up to 157,000 in the next 24 hours.

And then the next 12 hours get 500.

That's a weird pattern.

Are you saying it couldn't happen?

I'm saying if the numbers as reported are accurate.

Yeah.

Because I didn't see 157,000 last night. But if that's what it was and now it's up to 157 535 yeah yeah it seems like that's not a thing that occurs huh right like usually like it gains momentum people go crazy on it usually you don't just stop maybe my numbers were wrong maybe maybe it wasn't 157 just like it's possible that west coast ladies are wrong yeah well you don't West Coast ladies are never wrong.
That was my impression. I'm just trying to keep it.
I'm trying to keep all of our options open. I mean, right now, the most important West Coast lady, Big Mike, is saying, they're never wrong.
They're never wrong. I know it.
I know it. I can't say it yet, but is Michelle Obama here? I know it.
I'm sorry. Big Mike.
So we got that going for us. There we go.
Yeah. Now, Chuck Schumer.
Again, it's Friday. And this is kind of a big story, but I just really want to share it because I don't know.
By the end of the week, me being as nice as I possibly can all week, by Friday, I just kind of want to vent a little bit. Now, I did vent maybe on Wednesday.
I was going to say, you've been nice all week? This is how you describe it? I don't mean all week. I don't mean God's week.
Okay. Okay.
It's not like, you know. You're just redefining week like we redefine the genders.
Thank you. Thank you.
The last knows glenn take it from big mike stew knows uh so uh yesterday do we have do we happen to have the uh audio of schumer yesterday just saying yeah we're okay all right i'm not gonna shut down the government Listen to this. I believe it is my job to make the best choice for the country to minimize the harms to the American people.
Therefore, I will vote to keep the government open and not shut it down. There is nobody in the world, nobody, nobody who wants to shut the government down more than Donald Trump and more than Elon Musk.
You should not give it to them and make no mistake. Donald Democrats will continue to fight what Donald Trump is doing.
OK, let me just before I give you my commentary, let me just appropriate appropriately frame what he just said with this. It is, by the way, that cost, just this, cost a lot of money.
We had to find the only guy in America that had a kaleidoscope and could play it. So, just appreciate.
I just play this from time to time because it cost a lot of money. For no apparent reason, I said yes to that deal.
So I'm getting my money's worth on this. Anyway.
And you're being critical of the way the federal government spends its money. No, it's my money.
No, it's theirs. They own it and they allow you to have some of it.
Oh. That's how the government works.
Again, I'm telling you this big mic, he knows what he's talking about, Glenn. Okay.
Thank you. So here he is saying that he's going to keep the government open.
Because there's nothing more that Donald Trump wants more than the shutdown of the government. Except Donald Trump was the one twisting everybody's arm and saying, I'm going to run, I'm going to campaign against Thomas Massey because he didn't vote for the continuing resolution.
Somehow or another, there's nobody that wants it more,'m telling you right now than Donald Trump he wants to

close it down now yes

he's been exerting all of his power

he's been making threats to anybody

who says they want to shut it down

but he really what he really

wants because he's usually

so he's usually

so subtle he usually

just doesn't come out and tell you what he

really wants and what he's really going to do

okay this guy believes, actually believes that or wants you to believe that he believes. He doesn't believe that.
He doesn't believe anything. You don't believe anything.
And not to mention, the government couldn't could not have passed this without Republicansans literally could not have occurred right only republicans could have made it happen right now i don't necessarily see that as a huge compliment frankly um but that being said there's no argument no argument at all that could possibly be made that's coherent that would allow for chuck schumer's opinion now

that is something you could kind of put on repeat and apply every time he speaks say it again um uh hang on just a second the appropriate music and it's not the kaleidoscope here oh no turn down the lights on a friday night ladies i don't this is getting even because there's some conservative porn coming your way.

I don't. This is getting even creepier.
Because there's some conservative porn coming your way. I don't have any idea what I said before now.
Something about Chuck Schumer that was bad. I don't know.
Whatever it was. And there it is.
No. Friday night, conservative porn.
Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you, Stu. I appreciate it.
Now you really could have some pizza being ordered with that do we have a doorbell we have pizza we have to play the music and then the doorbell i think you go ahead you talk about chuck schumer here for a second charles schumer pizza delivery hello lady pizza delivery wait why is he at puberty yet he's in a porn

this is really disturbing it's hollywood it's hollywood is this the jared channel what is this i'm concerned it's hollywood oh okay well that's true actually do that again play the music again actually if it's hollywood it's more like this a pizza delivery

no

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Station ID. Stop the music, Sarah.
Recue that, please.

Stations, I'm sorry to do this, but it is Friday.

I am kind of in a mood, and I just thought of something.

As I said those words, it'd be a lot better.

Three hours, station ID.

Three hours?

I'm just saying, okay, two hours and 20 minutes.

All right, maybe you can just...

Stations, fill. Fill.
How you doing, Stu? Great, Glenn. Good.
Great. Yes, it's been an interesting morning so far.
Wait until I get to Paul Krugman. Oh, I can't wait for that.
It all started with Paul Krugman. He's one of the most annoying people on the planet.
He's one of those people that lives in that intersection of ignorance and certainty. A very dangerous intersection.
It's a very dangerous. Do not cross.
No. No matter what the light tells you, don't cross.
There should be a hospital on all four corners of that intersection. That's true.
Yeah, right. Because you are going to get destroyed when you walk in there.
Yes, you are. And he does it all the time.
Perhaps most famously, the internet is never going to have more of an impact than the fax machine. And his body's still twitching in the middle of that intersection right now because of it.
I forgot about that one.

That's a good one.

It is.

Say it again.

Say it again.

The internet is going to have only as much impact as the fax machine, which...

Paul Krugman.

I did.

It kind of wrecked you there, didn't it?

You crossed the streams with that stuff.

You put Paul Krugman on with that music.

I'm sorry. krugman i did it kind of wrecked it there didn't you cross the streams with that stuff you put paul krugman on with that i'm an out of the box thinker okay that's what i do back in the box lock the box throw the box into the ocean let it sink we have scott turner coming on in a minute oh i'm sure he's proud He's like, he's right now listening, going, what the hell did you sign me up for today? How do I fake bronchitis? Scott Turner is on with us, Department of Housing and Urban Development.
He's the secretary of that. And my first question is, I don't even know what HUD really does.
Is it necessary?

I mean, let's just tear it apart here for a second.

Housing.

You mean the United States government, the wing that just decided to build all of these really wonderful 1960s housing projects

that are all now crack houses that has everybody living in them going,

I'm afraid I can't get out of this trap. I mean, houses is in the word crack houses.
Yeah, I know. And they seem to somehow or another attract that.
There you go. And then urban development.
Did we, I mean, this is from the LBJ era. Of course it is.
Right. Of course it is.
So did we not have urban development before LBJ? No. Did we need the government to go, we want to start a Detroit? Before everybody was just scattered around Michigan going, I don't know what to do.
We're out here on a farm. There's no development in any urban area.
We don't know what to do yeah shockingly the urban

areas seem to be the most developed long before hud came around right so i want to ask him what the hell do you guys even do and please tell me that you're thinking about shutting this one down too because i don't i don't really get it too many agencies we don't need all these agencies this is what we're finding out with

Doge right and I don't really get it. Too many agencies.
We don't need all these agencies. This is what we're finding out with Doge, right? And I don't know how much Doge-ing is going to happen at HUD.
Hopefully a lot. Do you just...
Do you hate housing? No, I hate development. I hate development.
Any development. Even rural development.
Rural development. I despise all development.
I'm like the left. I want to go back to where we turned.
I'll write songs about complaining about turning fields into parking lots and act like that's a really brilliant observation for years and years and years. Back in a minute.
This is Glenn Beck. So it's Friday night.
Vinny is delivering some pizza. Hey, extra pepperoni, you know what I'm saying? Hold it.
Do we need the music? I think we might need the music. Hey, pizza delivery, extra pepperoni, if you know what I'm saying.
Okay. All of a sudden, all of a sudden, the guy who's delivering pizza, which you didn't order, pops out of nowhere.
And he's on. And you open it like, Vinny, I didn't.
Hey, never open the door again, Vinny. You don't know.
You know what I mean? Well, that's a problem. That's a problem.
Vinny's there. He doesn't have any, you know, pizza boxes in his hand.
But what you have is a burner launcher. Hey, Vinny, you just open the door just a crack, a little tear gas around, right in his direction, and Vinny's down.
Hey, now I'm crying. You know what I mean? I'm crying.
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Oh, yeah.

I just want you to know, we're bringing jobs back to America.

Hear this music?

Strangely, nobody makes 70s porn music anymore that you can just, you know, grab.

So we had to pay some people to make this for really no reason at all. We just, putting people back to work, just like the Kaleiope music I just played.
Yeah, had to find an expert who actually had access to a Kaleiope to make that. We're bringing jobs back to America, America.
So you should just know that. We're thrilled to have our HUD secretary on with us.
And I've got a lot of questions. Scott Turner is with us, Department of Housing and Urban Development secretary.
Scott, how are you, sir? Glenn Beck, great to be with you again, sir. Thank you.
It's good to have you. I mean, you're pretty safe now because you've gone through the confirmation hearing.
So now, I mean, usually being on this show is the kiss of death, but congratulations on getting through um thank you sir so uh scott i got a couple of questions um department of uh housing and urban development are are is this part of the hey let's trim things down a bit this is a Johnson era thing and how can we fix it or get rid of it well you know Glenn that's a great question we first of all HUD has failed in its most basic mission over the last several years and that's to serve the most vulnerable population of our country families and individuals as it it pertains to housing, as it pertains to homelessness and disaster recovery. And so we literally are in the middle of taking inventory.
I bet you haven't heard that word in a long time. No, T.
Inventory of every program at HUD to make sure that the mission that we've been called to do, is this program helping us to fulfill this mission or is this program not helping us to fulfill this mission? And if it's not, then we need to get rid of it. And so we're taking a holistic view of every program, maximizing the budget, personnel, everything at HUD to make sure, man, that we are efficient, that we effective, and according to President Trump's leadership, streamlining the processes so that we can best serve the American people and so that's a great question man and we are right in the middle of that right now because we are laser focused on the mission at HUD.
Okay so let's talk about because you were just in California I think North Carolina as well on the ground and I mean I was I was on the ground in north carolina right after and what i saw fema and everybody else doing was absolutely an abomination um the the the key seems to be to get government out of the way how to have the government just maybe take some red tape away and try to help people, you know, and there are things that the government can do and should do when the private sector can't do it. What are you seeing on the ground, let's say in California, that you can help cut the red tape or actually do the right thing to bring some sanity and some help to the people who have lost their homes, both in California and North Carolina? Well, Glenn, you're exactly right.
And first of all, thank you for you and your team and the work that you're doing when it comes to disaster recovery. We were in California, in Los Angeles, both in the Palisades and Altadena neighborhood.
It's devastating. As you know,

it's heartbreaking to see just what the wildfires did and people lost their homes, schools were

lost, churches were lost. But we had an opportunity to meet with families, to meet with church leaders,

to meet with community leaders, and to hear their stories, to hear their testimony of what happened.

And so a lot of that is burdensome regulations. People want to rebuild their lives.
They want to

Thank you. The people are doing the work.
Faith-based organizations are doing the work. Nonprofits are doing the work.
But the government stands in a way with so much red tape, as you alluded to, and bureaucracy. So we have to do a better job.
Oh, sorry about that, Glenn. We have to do a better job as conveners in the government to bring people together and then let them do the work.
And that's the key, both in L.A. and in Asheville.
So there's a couple of things. First of all, I don't think it's the federal government in California that's staying.
It's California government that is just is insane. Can you do anything about that? And in Asheville, I know there was a DEI Asheville draft action plan that you guys just thank God stopped.
they were in the midst of completely redesigning that area uh and putting in all kinds of dei stuff esg stuff which would have transformed that community into something it never was and never wanted to be am i wrong right so no sir you, sir, you're right. So I'll answer your second question first.
We were informed that the draft action plan in Asheville, North Carolina, did have DEI elements in it. And DEI and the federal government, according to President Trump's executive order, DEI is over.
And here at HUD, DEI is dead. And it's right.
It was literally re-engineering. And so we said, this is not acceptable.
This is not appropriate. We will not fund the draft action plan as it is because it pertains DEI.
And so they have come back to us. They've been compliant to work with us so that they can renew their draft action plan.
And for for not just Asheville, North Carolina, but for everyone who wants HUD-funded grants, we will not accept any DEI element of any kind, but they have thankfully been compliant with us and so hopefully their new draft action plan we can work with. And going back to California, in particular in LA, I met with the leadership out there and I said, listen, we need to take inventory from a local and state perspective.
What are you doing that is hindering the redevelopment and the rebuilding and the revitalization of the communities? Because I have heard from the people, they want to restore their families. They want to rebuild their businesses and rebuild their neighborhoods.
But the government is in the way. And if you're seeing what I'm seeing, there's no way that you cannot go back to the drawing board.
It's okay. What do we need to get rid of? What burdensome regulations do we need to cut so that our people can rebuild? And so hopefully that we can continue to firmly encourage that.
But is it government, federal government regulation that is the biggest problem? I mean i i'm glad we're cutting all the federal government red tape you know that we can um but it appears to me to be insane california government yes and the federal government that's exactly right can they do can the federal government get involved in that i mean 10th amendmentth Amendment? Well, it is. It's local.

It's the state, county, city, both in L.A. and in Asheville.
You know, I've heard from the people there. It's the local and it's the state governments that are in a way and the county

governments that are in a way. We can do what we can from a federal standpoint, but it's the local

and state governments that really make the biggest difference. There is a story from the New York Daily News, and I think we need the conservative porn music on this one just to read the headline.
Here's a headline from New York Daily News. I'm sorry to do this, Secretary.
I mean, you're a credible individual and I'm destroying it for you. This has nothing to do with him.
HUD's New York City office left with just one management employee after the Trump cuts. Oh, yeah.
Okay. Is that true? And what's happening? And, you know, I'm sure everybody is saying, oh, my gosh, the chaos is great.
Has there been any chaos with this in New York City? Well, I mean, there's chaos everywhere, not just for HUD. No, no, no, but I mean, right, I mean, from these cuts.
I mean, are people starving on the streets more than they were the day before? No, and let me set the record straight. President Trump, his administration, our leadership here at HUD, we want to streamline our programs.
As I said before, we're taking inventory of every program. We want to make sure that we're being efficient and effective.
We are laser focused on the mission that we have here, Glenn, at HUD. The critical functions that we have and that we're supposed to carry out, we continue to carry those out day by day.
Consolidation does not mean that we're not able to serve the people, no matter their geography. And so if someone's not located in a specific area, it doesn't mean that the people that they're supposed to serve are not being served.
So that's fake news. That's just the rumors are, well, we're cutting everything.
We're not going to be able to serve the people that we're supposed to serve. Well, it's the exact opposite.
We're serving people better by the way we're streamlining and making things more effective. Over the last four years, like I said before, HUD has not even fulfilled its basic obligation, but now with streamlining, we're taking inventory, with consolidation, we'll actually be able to serve them in an even more efficient and effective manner.
Well, I mean, this is something that politicians don't usually know because usually politicians, you know, are either lawyers or they went right into politics, the professional politicians. And a lawyer has never built a business.
They never have built a business. Lawyers are paid to say no to the people in business because they're there to protect and they don't understand private industry at all.
And, you know, the one thing that private industry understands is when the when the company is going out of business.

Yeah, there might be a little chaos when somebody comes in and says you know what we're going to save the company and we can do things better and listen to our customer better but we're going to have to cut all of the crap and all of the stuff that's not necessary and all the jobs of people that aren't aren't needed anymore or not working anymore.

We're going to have to do some rehiring after we fire.

And there is that transition period. But if you've ever been in the free market and worked for an actual company, you've been through this before.
You've been through it. Everybody has.
But for some reason, the federal government just doesn't think they ever have to go through that.

You know, we've had this we've had this system going since the johnson administration we can't change anything everything has changed since the johnson administration that's exactly right and glenn you know and and you talk about the private sector you talk about people that have come from a business background and a business mindset. And that, you know, with President Trump's leadership, that's what's going on.
We have people that have been involved in the private sector, people that have built businesses, worked in business, and transition is taking place. Change is taking place.
But, you know, when change comes, it's hard. It's uncomfortable.
But when you go through an uncomfortable situation, that means there's growth. That means that you're not stagnated.
That means that you're not complacent. Complacency literally has stifled our country.
It's stifled the growth in our country. It's stifled ingenuity and innovativeness.
And so we're coming under President Trump's leadership and say hey man this is a time of change and when you prune things it hurts but after pruning comes growth comes fruition and so that's what's going on in our country you know what when I was in the NFL Glenn you know I was uncomfortable a lot and you know they put the film on every Monday and it made you uncomfortable but for those two hours that you watch film you got to see hey where am I strong and where am I weak what changes need to be made in my play so that I could be the best player I can for our team and so that's what we're doing here at HUD and in this administration we're watching film and we're identifying the weaknesses we're identifying the strengths and that's what's going on and you know what that's hard but the american people voted 77 million strong for change and for transition and so that's what we're carrying out you know i was just talking to i think it was sage steel uh this week i was talking to and she said you know when somebody walks into you know the nfl and you're being cut these big huge strong guys sometimes will just break down in tears and cry because that's what they've always wanted to do and they know this is the place to be the very best you want to play football you have to be the very best and not everybody, even though you might be a good football player, you're not the cream of the crop. And that's the way all of our businesses should be.
That's the way that our government should be. You know, I'm sorry, you might be a really good person, but we have to be the most efficient.
We have to be the best at what we do, or we shouldn't be doing it. And so I'm sorry, you are going to have to watch the films.
You are going to have to get better every single day. And we are cutting some of you.
I know that's going to make you cry, but it should also be in, it should also tell you something. That's why you wanted to work here because it was inspiring because we were the best at what we do.
And the government's not the best at what they do on anything, anything. Yes, sir.
Yes, sir. You're right.
And you know, I've been cut before in the NFL and it does hurt. And so you take inventory of yourself.
You take inventory of yourself as an individual, as a player. And here at HUD, we are specifically saying, how do we put the people, the best people in the right place to do the best job to serve the American people? Not just for now, Glenn, but literally for generations to come for the posterity of our nation.
We're making a hard, healthy decisions right now. And one thing I will say to you and to those, to your listeners, we are very clear here at HUD to be very deliberate and to be very specific and surgical about everything we do.
We have a critical mission. HUD is like no other place.
We serve the most vulnerable people of our nation and we understand that. And so we're strategic in the moves that we make.
We're surgical and precise in the decisions that we make on a daily basis so that we can carry out this mission in the most powerful, effective, and efficient manner. And that starts with me and my team on a daily basis so people can rest assured that's our heartbeat here.
Our Secretary of Department of Housing and Urban Development, Scott Turner. Scott, thank you so much.
Keep up the good work. Say hi to everybody that is doing this work as well.
We're on your side. Thank you.
Thank you. You bet.
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And so I wasn't going to put any thought into Paul Krugman being an idiot. But then I read his op-ed on, let's see, what was it? Making Sweatshops Great Again by Paul Krugman.
And I started reading it, and that just led to me just answering him, you know, in the op-ed, just typing in my responses. And then that led me to a monologue that is so long, I would be giving it starting now, and it would end on Monday.
But I'm going to give you 20 minutes of it as much as I can, because I can't take Paul Krugman. He is the biggest idiot I have ever seen.
And his idiocy has gone on for decades. And yet he doesn't take any time to go, wait a minute, you know, I was wrong about that.
And well, and that, that, that, that, that, that, that. In fact, I've been wrong just about everything I've ever said.
Maybe I should do some reflection. So I just got to say a few things about Paul Krugman coming up in just a second, but it's Friday.
Let me vent, please. It only, I mean, with Paul Krugman, it couldn't happen to a nicer person.
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Paul Krugman writes, on Manhattan 7th Avenue, near the corner of 39th Street, there's a larger-than-life statue of a garment worker, a man wearing a skullcap hunched over a sewing machine. The statue is a tribute to the locale history.
It stands in the middle of what's still called a garment district. After all, in 1950, New York's apparel industry employed 340,000 workers.
But that industry is gone now, not just from midtown Manhattan, but from the United States as a whole, having moved to low-wage countries like China and increasingly Bangladesh. No serious person mourns the offshoring of the apparel employment.
I do. As somebody who'd like to wear American clothing, who has tried to help save the Cone Denim Company, which made the best denim in the world, they're out.
You know why? Can't afford to make it here. You know why? Because we are short everything.
You know why? Because we're stupid. That's why.
So I actually do mourn that, but I don't really count in Paul's world. But I digress.
For a poor nation like Bangladesh, apparel jobs are a big step up from the alternatives. Even in our heyday, mostly it only employed immigrants who, despite being represented by powerful unions, were paid low wages and often faced harsh working conditions.
Oh, wait a minute. So, wait a minute.
Let me see if I get this right. What about your insistence of keeping illegals here because they will work for low paying jobs? You remember jobs Americans won't do.
So are you now saying we want to get rid of all those low paying jobs that Americans won't do? I mean, I'm not with you, Paul. I'm just trying to understand your reasoning here.
I mean, have you changed your mind on that? Is there no one in America that would gladly take a sewing job over scrubbing toilets in a hotel? Nobody? As I said, no serious person wants the apparel industry to come back again. But Donald Trump's economic team aren't serious people.
This coming from the biggest clown of my lifetime. Last week, Howard Lutnick, the Commerce Secretary, went on CNBC to declare that Trump's tariffs will bring back U.S.
production of T-shirts and sneakers and towels. The host just started laughing at him because we all know better than he does.
There's no reason to believe that either he or his boss think this was a joke and their nostalgia for industries of the past seems to be matched by surprising hostility towards the industries of the future okay all right now we're starting to get good again first are hard-working dishwashers fruit pickers lawn maintenance or service style jobs for people just like you, Paul, that will hire people at a lower wage because they're illegal and you can get away with anything you want. I mean, you can help them achieve the American dream.
Are these jobs nostalgic? Because with the onset of AI in the next few years, I they are but wait i'm hostile towards ai i'm confused but krugman goes on now the trumpiest view of international trade pretty much begins and ends with a view that whenever americans buy something made abroad no matter how much cheaper it is it may be to import a good rather than try to produce it

domestically. That's a win for foreigners and a loss for America.
No, Paul, God, you're stupid. Products that are more inexpensive or that are inexpensive are always a win for Americans, Always, unless it completely guts our ability as a country to stand on our own.
Also, why should we give so much money to the biggest slave owner country the world has ever known? Message to you progressives, America's not so bad compared to what China is doing currently.

Now, instead of standing up to them, you know, we just want to be independent so we can.

And I'd like to live without the slave labor of some of these countries.

You know, if we're making sneakers here in the U.S., at least it wouldn't be a line full of children spraying, you know, lead paint on Nike shoes like it's most likely happening away from our shores. But I digress again by shipping our jobs to China, Paul, buying our iPhone and socks from China.
Are you not doing the same things the elites like you did before and during and even after the Civil War? Well, it'll hurt the economy. Jobs here in America on our American assembly lines actually allow people to afford college for the next generation or even themselves to better their stations.
Even though you have done everything you can to destroy our universities through your horrible progressive ideas and, you know, through government subsidies that you have raised the cost of college. So, you know, since we got into the business of giving loans for colleges, guaranteeing those loans in 1963 to tuition was a an adjusted inflation adjusted two thousand four hundred and eighty seven dollars.
Now it's almost $10,000. That's an increase of 292%, four times the cost in real dollars than it was in 1963.
What happened? What changed? What changed? He continues, I mean, Trump has slapped high tariffs on Canadian aluminum, which is cheap because smelting uses a lot of electricity and Canada has abundant hydropower and aluminum is important for U.S. manufacturing.
Yet Trump somehow thinks Canada is exploiting us by offering us a key industrial input at a good price. But back to t-shirts and sneakers.
We definitely shouldn't be making those for ourselves. But what should we be making instead? Well, here's what we are going to be making, Paul.
Nothing. We're not going to make anything.
Unless we have a hardworking, well-educated, motivated workforce with cheap energy and the cutting of crazy regulation in which companies can afford to grow and build and want to come here because we have the best conditions and the best labor and the cheapest energy. That's what made America America.
But what you have done, you have killed the well-educated with your support of the teachers unions and everybody else controlling edu just you want an example just check what you were saying uh while our children were out of school during covid because of your support you know next thing that you cut was the motivated by advocating for higher taxes more red tape plus out of control labor unions you know we're the lazy and the corrupt they just can't be fired can't be fired you killed motivation so let me see well educated you killed that one um the motivated you killed that one you killed that one because not only the red tape but with dei and esg andT programs. You also teach everybody, you'll never make it without us.
You'll never make it. Why try? You've killed everything.
And do I even need to remind you of your anti-cheap energy lectures and your love, the growth of government regulation? Because, oh my gosh, we've got to get rid of our, we have to get rid of our hydroelectric power here and take those dams down because that's so colonial oh my gosh can't take this guy well free trade purists would answer whatever the market decides let private firms figure out what's profitable to make in america and even if you aren't a free trade purist, you have to admit the government doesn't have a great record of picking winners. Oh, my gosh.
Have you just admitted this out loud without even knowing this? Your support for the Green New Deal, support for things like, I don't know, Solyndra? Are you? Did I miss an op-ed where you're like, hey boy, that was a mistake.

Yet I, like many economists, have come around to the view, listen to this one, this is his big announcement, this is his big change in his life, well, I've come around to the view that maybe we should engage in a limited amount of industrial policy using subsidies. Oh, wow, Paul, the heavens have opened up for you.

You've finally come around to the

idea of government subsidies. How refreshing for me.
What a shock. What an unbelievable turnaround

for you. You mean to tell me that you've gone from a supporter of the public private partnerships,

the Green New Deal that just funds entire sectors, big government programs, to now somebody who can

Thank you. of the public-private partnerships, the Green New Deal that just funds entire sectors, big government programs, to now somebody who can finally embrace the idea of government bailing out failures.
Wow. Making partners with private corporations, with our government using the little guy's tax dollars to give to the billion dollar companies money from the average person the average working man and woman right to the billionaire wow you have come so far paul you really good for you you know there are two big reasons limited industrial policy is back in vogue that word isn't even inogue.
One is that it's become increasingly clear that there are important positive spillovers between technology firms. Silicon Valley is now more than the sum of the individual companies located in south of San Francisco.
It's kind of an industrial ecosystem of shared services, a pool of skilled workers, and an exchange of knowledge. Oh, Paul, you mean like every other industry somehow, but this one is different? I mean, other than Silicon Valley being originally funded by the DOD, CIA, and the federal government, how is this different? You know, again, other than it was the greatest concentration of wealth perhaps ever in the history of man.
Think of that. Silicon Valley, probably the greatest collection of wealth in the history of all mankind.
We've got to get the government in there to help those poor starving billionaires. Aren't these the titans, the billionaires? Are they somehow different than the titan and billionaires that have to pay their fair share and who are unelected fascists like Elon Musk? I mean, I'm so confused, Paul.
Are you now admitting that Elon Musk alone is capable of creating an, quote, an industrial ecosystem of shared services, a pool of skilled workers, and with his willingness in action not to patent technology, but to release it to help the planet, is he an important force for an exchange of knowledge? Wouldn't he be one of those? If we want America to be competitive and high tech, we need government policies to encourage the formation of these industrial ecosystems. In other grimmer reasons, we need industrial policy because of geopolitics.
Circa 2010, listen to this, circa 2010, not many people worried about how much of the world's production of advanced semiconductors which are now crucial to almost everything was connected was concentrated in taiwan no paul you weren't in 2010 you couldn't see over the right you know that quote from paul krugman that you gave me earlier about the internet i i mean you were the one that wasn't concerned about semiconductors and high-powered chips. 1998, the growth of the internet will slow drastically, as the flaw in Metcalfe's law, which states that the number of potential connections in a network is proportional to the square of the number of participants, becomes apparent.
Most people have nothing to say to each other. By 2005 or so, it will become clear that the internet's impact on the economy has been no greater than the fax machines.
Oh my God. That's so good.
Forget about that. Now we know the age of large-scale warfare isn't over, and it's dangerous to rely on crucial products and industrial clusters easily threatened by potential adversaries.
Just that paragraph, just that, Paul, proves everything else you've said in your stupid op-ed to be absolutely the opposite. Or may I just say, duh, and duh.
These realizations lay behind one of the Biden administration's two major pieces of industrial policy legislation, the Chips and Science Act, designed to encourage production. Unlike the Inflation Reduction Act, which sought to use industrial policy to fight climate change, the Chips Act has had a substantial bipartisan support.
Yeah, it did. It did.
As did slavery in in the 1800s as did the rounding up of the japanese under another progressive president in fact uh wow so did men can actually be women just a couple of years ago doesn't make it true paul even though in an era of intense partisanship a significant number of republicans were willing to back the effort. But during his speech to Congress last week, Trump veered off into a demand that Congress would repeal that act.
It's not clear what he has against the CHIPS Act, although according to the New York Times, many semiconductor companies attribute his hostility simply to personal animus toward former President biden yep you can't think of another thing that might make him against the chip act it's weird paul i went to an expert i trust more than you crock and asked it besides personal animus why might the president be against the chips actPS Act? No, I know I share that answer with you, Paul. All right.
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So I just went to Grok and I said, is there another reason besides personal animus that President Trump might be against the CHIPS Act? Here's what Grok told me today. Cost and perceived wastefulness.
Trump has described the CHIPS Act as a horrible, horrible thing that involves giving hundreds of billions of dollars to companies without sufficient return. From this perspective, he might view the $52.7 billion in subsidies plus additional lending authority as an inefficient use of taxpayer money.
If his goal is to save America, he could argue these funds might be better directed elsewhere. Two, preference over tariffs for subsidies.
Trump has constantly advocated for tariffs as a tool to incentivize domestic manufacturing, claiming that they could achieve the same outcome as the CHIPS Act, bringing the semiconductor production to the United States without the government spending any tax dollars. Let me point to Taiwan's semiconductor manufacturing company,

increasing its U.S. investment as evidence that these tariffs, or the threat of them, are working.
From his viewpoint, this approach avoids handing out money to wealthy corporations, aligning with a belief that market pressure is more a sustainable way to bolster American industry. 3., skepticism of corporate giveaways.
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Oh, I can't see. I saw Paul Krugman making making sweatshops great again his old man screaming at the sky uh rant uh and paul krugman is wrong on on almost everything almost everything if paul krugman says this is the way the world is going go the opposite direction um but anyway it's just such a stupid rant and he starts with nobody wants to make things in america you don't want to make sweatshirts and socks in america those days are over really are they uh i know one guy i called him up this morning he's on the west coast and i'm like byard can you come on today because uh you should you should answer krugman, nobody wants to make American clothing or anything here.
Have you ever heard of American Giant? For a while, they were an advertiser. I don't know if they still are.
I think they are. But American-Giant.com.
I have fallen in love with this company. They make everything in America.
And they do it because they think it's important to bring these jobs back and this is something that buyer has been doing for well since i think 2010 or 11 and it is important and very very hard to do buyer welcome to the program ceo and founder of american giant glad and thanks for having me on why would anybody want to make clothing here in America?

That's old timey old-fashioned stuff yeah i gotta tell you glenn this is such a classic example to me of an economist in a white tower that has never taken the time to get out and get on the factory floor and understand what's actually happening in an industry i mean he is just wrong on so many levels on this point. It's infuriating to me.
So,

it's just it's infuriating to me so um explain to me why uh we would want those because he was making this case that trump tariffs he's thinking that he's going to bring underpants and socks back to america and that's not the technology we need we We need chips, which we do, but we need all the industries. Make the case that what Trump is doing with the tariffs is good from your point of view and why your style of manufacturing is not something we should dismiss.
Yeah, I mean, I'll sort of come at it from a few different angles, I think. To start with, and most basically, are we interested in having good-paying, stable jobs for working Americans? Not everybody is going to be a Google engineer.
And do we like those jobs? And do we like those jobs maybe even particularly for workers that choose not to go to college or that are first-generation Americans. And I'm firmly in the camp of saying we need an economy that provides lots of jobs for every level of the economic sector, not just for people that are working in California.
That's one point. I think the second point is, and you made this point earlier, industries are integrated and interrelated.
And if you knock out one key tentpole, the whole thing gets unstable. I'll just give you two quick examples of that.
The textile industry is fundamentally involved in the military and supporting the military. And in case we forget, PPE during the pandemic, for those of you, and Glenn, I know you know this, but for those of you who maybe have forgotten, we had lost the ability to make gowns and masks.
And in fact, our facility in North Carolina and a handful of other facilities that are still making things here had to retool our plants to make masks to get them onto frontline workers that were trying to save people that were sick. And that was taking a T-shirt facility like mine and totally changing what we do every day.
So we had basically effectively lost that capability and handed it over to China,

and China was throttling the supply of those things to us. So it is not as simple as saying socks.
The textile industry is a very dimensional, very broad industry that I think is actually quite fundamental to the viability of the country. And Byron, as I look at this, there's only two ways to go.
You just concentrate on one industry and one that is already putting more people out of work through AI than any other industry, and that is the tech sector. So you can concentrate on that and say that's the only one that matters.
But if you let everything else fail, you have two choices. You have to fund because you can't afford to do it any other way.
You have to fund the steel plants and everything else. So we have some way to make something in case there's an emergency or you just encourage people to continue to make these things.
So when things do break down, and they always do, we have the ability to live. It's like if every farmer was so, and believe me, the government would like to say this to every farmer and rancher, we don't need you anymore because we can get that food cheaper someplace else.
That is stupid. That is a death sentence to America.
Well, and part of that conversation is about control. That if industries move wholesale, overseas, you lose control of those industries.
So whether that's pharmaceuticals or textiles or ag, eventually, if the control and the capability shifts entirely overseas, you are at those countries mercy. So there is a fundamental fundamental, and in my perspective, and I think this is broadly shared, it's a national security conversation as well.
I'll say one other thing on the tariff comment. Right now, what is happening in textiles in China is unconscionable.
It is essentially being used slave labor, subsidized work to underpin our industry. And tariffs, in part, begin to mitigate that differential.
So everyone thinks about this as a warping economic factor. And I actually think that that's a mischaracterization of it, that we are asking our domestic facilities, in textiles and outside of textiles, to compete on a completely uneven playing field.
In some ways, it's at its most dramatic in textiles. And to level that back out again and put American factories and workers back into a position where they can compete, I think historically, whenever we've done that, we've outcompeted our international competitors.
So it is, in my mind, a very necessary step towards rebalancing this and giving our industries a chance to get reinvigorated and restarted again that we've essentially let go for the last 40 years. And by the way, mainstream economists have been consistently wrong on this issue.
And, you know, Krugman nods at this in his article, like, I will concede. Yeah, well, that is this is that's the story here.
There's this this postulating from some hill until finally saying, oh, I've gotten this wrong and reeling it back little by little. But they have been wrong on this issue for 40 years.
So it's nice to see finally an administration that's beginning to turn the clock back a little bit on this. So when you see the tariffs, because I'm not a tariff guy.
However, what Trump is talking about with tariffs are a couple of things. One, if you're an enemy of our country, China, there's no such thing as a level playing field.
we'll do what we have to do because you're an enemy of ours, or you're at least an unfair competitor of ours. With Mexico and Canada, tariffs that I'm really not happy the way they're being handled, but I understand what he's trying to do.
Let's make sure that, A, we return as much industry here as we can, but also, you've got some very unfair trade with us. So we'll just mimic what you do.
And I think what people really miss is Donald Trump knows the end of total globalism is over. It's just over.
And he's trying to use the tariffs to incentivize people, companies, come back to America. We will make it worth your while.
And that has to be done. Where do you stand on the tariffs? And if you're seeing anything, for instance, in your field that where they're working or that looks like they might work? Well, I hear you on tariffs being a blunt instrument.
I want to make one point, though, that is directly relevant to us. As you know, we were approached by Walmart about two years ago, and they were trying to make some progress on making stuff in the United States, a piece of which was textiles, and they needed some help and guidance.
That partnership ended up in us now having a line of T-shirts in Walmart that are retailing for $12.

I want to just stop on that for a second because what that means is you have American Giant and Walmart coming together, two pretty unlikely partners. And through their commitment to volume and a time commitment over time with us, allowed us to work with our industrial partners through our supply chain to get a T-shirt on the shelves for working Americans for $12 at retail.
Made here in America. Made entirely from U.S.
cotton all the way through the needle in the finished product, all made in the United States. Wow.
That is a window on maybe what tariffs can do. And your concerns about them notwithstanding for a moment, it does provide a fence around industries that give them time to invest and amortize their investments.

And in that regard, that really is a hopeful sign for me because I think in a lot of industries, we need a bit, a moment here to breathe, get retooled, to invest a little bit with some confidence that that marketplace is going to be viable for a bit to put us back on a more competitive footing. So I think it is a piece of the puzzle about this re-industrialization effort that we need to engage in now.

So the other thing is, you know, you just brought up $12 t-shirts, which is fantastic. I'm so happy.
I mean, you know, when we first met, I was convinced you're going to change the world. You're going to change the way manufacturing is done here in America with clothing.
Just, I mean, you're so passionate about it. I'm so happy for you that you're getting this kind of movement and partners where you can offer a $12 T-shirt.
That was impossible six years ago, five years ago. Impossible, unless it was just absolute crap, right? That's right.
I mean, if you'd asked me whether that was possible, I would have said maybe we can get to $19 or $20. But what happened there, to be clear, is that that partner, Walmart, stood up and said, we're going to commit to you for a long period of time and at a high volume.
And that is what the marketplace has lacked in every industry because it's been cheaper and easier for all of these big corporations that are getting fantastically rich to just offshore. And so to have some mechanism to say, wait a second, there's an incentive to actually stay here.
Amazing things happen beyond even what I thought. You and I talked about this at some point off the air years ago about the structural challenges about textiles.
And that's a big one, which is it needs a commitment of time and a commitment of volume. And tariffs do do that in some degree.
And I think that is going to create some market turbulence for a bit here as we kind of rebalance the economy. But it is going to provide, I believe, in some measure, a bit of that breathing room to allow industries like ours to stand up a bit and get going again.
So it may not be the sole answer, but I'm grateful that there is some movement that finally happened in here. I'm talking to Bayard Winthrop.
He's a friend and also the founder and CEO of American Giant, an American clothing company. The one last thing I want to cover, I am so sick and tired of all of these arguments coming back down about price.
And only because I understand that people can't afford things. I get it.
But we're talking $1,000 phones from Apple, iPhone. Well, gee, I can't afford that $1,000 phone.
Well, if that $1,000 phone is made unethically in what really is modern-day slavery at a scale the West really never considered even possible 200 years ago, then it's wrong of us. And everybody who is saying, well, we need cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap, cheap.
If it's made by slaves, it's not good. We shouldn't be doing that.
Does that play the moral side of this at at all does that play with your head like it does mine by of course i mean if you think about the united states you know our our citizens have put into place laws that we care about that we fought hard over that we've debated publicly and landed on some measurement of osha standards to make factories safe and environmental standards so we're not dumping textile dye into waters. And for us then to say, well, wait a second, we're going to apply that to our factories, but we're not going to apply it to some factory in Xinjiang, China, where we're going to allow some massive apparel organization to go over there and exploit that differential.
Those two things are inconsistent, and they drive me wild. They drive me wild.
And by the way, you know, 40 years ago, that wasn't the case. Forty years ago, 95 percent of the clothing we bought was made in the United States.
And as far as I can remember, we could afford it back then. We could afford a T-shirt and a sweatshirt and they were the envy of the world.
And this trade policy that has opened the floodgates by a bunch of really smart economists sitting up at Harvard have gotten it wrong, have gotten it fundamentally wrong. And it has undermined, in my mind, the capability and the viability of the country.
And we've got to get back to some version where we've got a robust industry across every sector of our economy. Bayard, I can't tell you how happy I am for you, the success of American Giant.
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There is a ton of stuff going on today. The spending bill, they still, Schumer says he's not going to vote, he will vote to advance the spending bill, so looks like Donald Trump got his way, even though Schumer is now saying, that's the exact opposite of what Trump wants.
Yeah, because he's usually so unclear on what he actually wants. And Trump is going to the DOJ today.
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Allie Best Stucky, how are you? I'm here. Yes, I'm doing well.
How are you? That is the way my wife will answer. Hey, honey, how you doing? Well, I'm here.
I'm here. I'm alive.
We made it to Friday. It's good to have you.
Thank you. Can I start with this debate that is going on now? Yeah, it's weird.
Can you explain the story, what's happening? I will try my best. So this goes back, you could say several years, but certainly goes back to Candace Owens when she left Daily Wire.
In response to all of that, she said Christ is king. And some bad actors like Nick Fuentes, they capitalized on that.
Of course, we know who Nick Fuentes is. Hates Jewish people, hates Ben Shapiro.
And so people saw that as a rallying cry, not just against Daily Wire, but specifically against Jewish people. And it's true.
There are bad actors out there who will say, Christ is king and screw you, Jew, or something awful like that. Now, Candace's point and other people's point is, okay, but that's not what I meant, and that's not what most people mean when they say Christ is king, and you trying to tie it to anti-Semitism is just trying to censor a phrase that Christians have been repeating for millennia now.
I haven't weighed in on the Candace Owen thing because I don't pay attention to that. I don't listen to other people's.
It's drama. And it's drama.
Have you weighed in on it yet? Do you know where? I mean. At the time, the Christ is King controversy is what I focused on, not the details of the drama between Daily Wire and Candace.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.
Yeah. And where do you stand on the Christ is King thing? Well, I see points to both sides, but here's what I will say.
Yes, Christ is King is one, a true statement, an important statement, a statement that Christians have been saying for years. Of course, I take issue with bad actors, people who don't love Jesus, who hate the fact that Jesus was a Jewish man, use Christ is king in some cases as like a pejorative or a slam or an attack against anyone, including Jewish people.
So I take issue with Jesus and the declaration of his divinity being used in a way that is not actually biblical. Let me show you something.
I don't know if the camera can catch this. Let's put it on the screen behind Sarah here.
This is something that has been a personal logo of mine for a long time. It's a skull and bones, and it has a crown that floats above it.
And you'll see, this is something I just designed because I'm going to start making some merch with this but but it says NKBG. This was the prototype.
I'm changing that to a C. And I'm changing that to a C because this is based on something from the founding of America.
The founders used to say, and I've always said no king but God, because it includes everybody of God. But I want to address that.
But the founders used to say, no king but god because it includes everybody of god but let i want to address that but the founders used to say no king but christ okay no king but christ meaning i don't care what the king of england says he's gonna die and turn into dust right but christ will not so that's a different kingdom. And we answer to that kingdom.

No king but Christ.

I've always believed that.

The founders believed that.

And what's crazy about it,

Allie Beth,

is that

it is being turned into something

that is anti-Semitic

when our founders said the very same things,

but they were also the biggest defenders of Israel and the Jew.

Right.

You know, they went to court all the time for people that believed different things,

and they stood up for our freedom of religion.

Court case after court case after court case,

our founders would take their time to go to those court cases and defend people's right to be different. No king but Christ would never mean the king of Christ.
I would not follow that king that was saying, and by the way, we got to liquidate all the Jews. That's not my king.
Right. And I think that's the argument that a lot of people are making that, look, Christ is king is not inherently anti-Semitic, so don't police people who are using that.
And that, I understand. I would not tell people, hey, don't use that phrase because someone might interpret it as anti-Semitic.
I think you can declare that as a truth and also say, I really hate when people use the Lord's name in vain and use this phrase as a way it's not meant to be used but also we all worship the god of abraham isaac and jacob okay and i i joke with my jewish friends all the time and and they'll joke exactly the same way back to me i'll say uh you know the the messiah's come already and they'll laugh and they'll say, no, he is coming, but he hasn't come yet. And I'll, you know, and we always joke, I tell you what, when he comes, either back or for the first time, if it's the first time, vouch for me.
If it's the second time, I'll vouch for you. We'll have your back.
You know what I mean? Let's just have each other's back here on this thing. We both agree on the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
It's just, has the Messiah come and is going to come again, or is coming for the first time? Which is obviously very important. And Christians can recognize that huge distinction that they deny the central tenet of our faith, while still saying, we share half of the Bible.
We share so many holy sites, so much history. We echo Paul's sentiment when he writes, look, I wish that I was cut off for the sake of my Jewish brothers and sisters so they would know Christ.
That should be our mentality. As someone who worships a Jewish Jesus, the malice towards Jewish people is just – it has no place.
Insane. Yeah, it has no it's something I would not say to, you know, an Islamist, somebody who is wants, you know, jihad for the whole world.
I would never say, you know, when the Messiah comes, I'll vouch for you. You vouch for me.
I would have to say, hey, jihadist, you're on the wrong side. no matter if he's come the first time and this will be the second time or not,

you're on the wrong side no matter if he's come the first time and this will be the second time or not you're on the wrong side there's no vouching for you on this that's totally different that's totally different um i i think i don't know how this has been made to be anti-semitic but yeah and i think except for bad actors candace's point too and none of us are saying that Candace means this intentionally to be anti-Semitic, but except for bad actors. Yeah, and I think that's Candace's point too, and none of us are saying that Candace means this intentionally to be anti-Semitic.
I don't think that's her intention behind saying it, but it's become a very convoluted conversation. But why is it still going on? Well, there's a report that just came out.
Jordan Peterson was a part of it. A bunch of others were a part of this report out of some university, you might be able to tell me which one, that basically analyzed how Christ as King is being used in a malicious way.
And they point to Candace, but they also point to someone like Andrew Tate, which I think is legitimate. Andrew Tate, who is Muslim, using Christ as King as a declaration, there's got to be something nefarious behind that because he doesn't actually believe that.
And so that's kind of what they're pointing to, that this has been used weirdly co-opted as a rallying cry. This goes back to our Christian nationalism.
And I warned, you might look and say, well, what's wrong with Christian? I'm a Christian and I love my country. That's not what that means by those who are using it nefariously.
Yeah. You know what I mean? Exactly.
So you just have to be careful on, yeah, I'm using this, but I know what it means and I know what they think it means. Yeah.
And I do not stand with that by any stretch. And I'll declare that evil every time.
It's really important, especially as Christians, because there's a lot of confusing messages. Yeah.
Can you hit the Andrew Tate thing at all? I don't know how much you've gone into it. I don't really know anything about him.
You know what? I feel very... You know, I thought that you were like a huge Andrew Tate fan.
No, not at all. You struck me as that? I know, I know.
Here's the thing. My son said to me, Dad, I don't know how to feel about Andrew Tate.
You know. I think I kind of like him.
And I'm like, son, I don't know anything about him, but I'm going to figure this one out because I'm not sure that should be. And that's where young men are going.
Yeah. And it seems to me to be dangerous.
Yeah. But I don't really know.
I haven't done any work on that. I did the one thing where it's like you're going through Twitter and someone posts.
You keep seeing his name. Yeah.
I keep seeing people posting about him. I don't know.
I've never even heard of the guy. And then I see this one thing.
If you think Andrew Tate is a real conservative, then click on this. And I clicked on it.
It was a video of him saying the worst things possible for about 10 straight minutes. And I was like, and seemingly physically abusing a bunch of women.
And I was like, I don don't are there actually conservatives who think this guy is a good guy 100% I think there are young men because we have not see this stuff or I don't know we have made men so wimpy this is this is from zero homework okay so this could be proven wrong six ways to Sunday in about 10 minutes by somebody. Don't worry.
I'll check you. Yeah, okay.
So I'm just saying this is just me shooting from my hip. Kids, men, boys have become wearing skirts, and it's totally fine, and you want it.
It's bad to be a man, and there's no tough men and everything else i think he is the overreact the pendulum swinging so far the other way that young people are looking at him and going you know uh you know it's time for men to be men but that's not what men are that's not what a good man is no you know what I mean? And so I could be wrong. Is that even a story about that? I think that's part of it.
That's certainly why people defend him. And I've listened to things he said.
Of course, he says things that we would agree with about feminism, about the emasculation of men and how men need to be providers. They need to be tough.
They need to take care of women. But at the same time, he is a self-proclaimed pimp who has prostituted young girls on video talking about his academy.
It's an online academy where he has trained other men to pimp out women online. And so that was how he made his money.
That sounds like Hollywood. Yeah.
PhD course, pimp and hose course or whatever is what he called it. And yeah, he is on tape beating women with a belt and threatening them.
And so he might say he's different now, but I don't know how anyone could say he's redeemed because he became a Muslim, which is basically just a religious justification for oppressing women. And he still says this same thing.
What a brave statement you just made. I'm off the hook for my earlier statement.
I overshadowed it. Did you hear what Ali Bass said after I said that? I mean, it's just not surprising that he didn't become, say, Christian or something like that.
So that's who Andrew Tate is. I would say that no, no young man should follow him.
Do we need strong male leadership and examples for men? Yes, Andrew Tate is not that. And that's going back to this whole thing, Christ is king.
It's the same thing. You'll see, and this is what Satan does.
He'll take a little bit of truth and then mix it in with a whole bunch of lies and pervert everything. And that's what's happening with these things.
Yeah. Is you'll see the truth of, yeah, you know what? Men should be strong.
And then you look at it like, Stu, I haven't seen this video, where he's beating women. I don't know.
That doesn't seem like a strong man. Yeah.
That seems like a bully and the exact opposite of what i think a man is and allegedly under when we say women it's underaged girls that is the allegation that we're talking about 14 and 15 year old girls in some cases i don't understand how i i saw desantis's reaction to it in florida and it seemed completely appropriate it seemed proportionate now there are some issues about whether or not as american citizens, they like should be here or not. But I do think it is wrong to spend any political capital by the Trump campaign on the Tate brothers.
OK, hang on just a second, Allie Beth, because she's she's the host, in case you don't know, I'm sure you do, of Relatable on Blaze TV. She is who was the lefty magazine was it uh it the New Yorker or Atlantic, right? They claimed that you were.
The, well, the new Phyllis Schlafly. Which I, you know, that is an honor.
That is. No, you should have t-shirts made to that.
I have not filled those shoes, but yes. That was a great article, though.
Yeah, it actually was kind of fair. I assumed it was going to be some hit piece, but it was actually, I thought, very positive.
They might have meant it as a hit piece. Right, yeah.
Normal people read it. They probably did.
Yeah, that's good. Yeah.
Absolutely. I took it as a compliment.
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Amazing event. Thank you.
And you're doing it again when? Yes, October 11th outside of Dallas, Texas, and we have an actual arena this time, and we are super excited about it. We are announcing our speaker lineup next week, and I just hope, by the grace of God, it's another really supernaturally powerful event will be it will be my wife went to it uh lisa went to this and absolutely loved it had a great time brought like seven or eight of her friends they had they loved it they want to go to the next one like i they spoke about it for weeks afterward well that means a lot yeah thank you you did a great job with it and i think you affected a lot of people well i mean blaze also just helped me pull it off.
Everyone here, I wish I could list them all by name, but it wouldn't have happened without them, truly. Well, maybe we can get one of the Tate brothers on October 11th to go beat his crowd.
He could go beat your crowd up. I don't think that's a good idea.
That sounds perfect. Not a good idea at all.
No, okay. Wow.
Wow, thank you, Glenn, for that idea. Anyway, how do you get tickets? Sharethearrows.com.
People can find out all about it. If you've got any questions, go there.
That's where you can get tickets. Bring your small group.
Bring your mother-in-law, sister-in-law, sister's friends, everyone, as long as they are a woman. They have to be an actual woman to be there, though.
Glenn can't just grow out his hair and attend. Sorry.
I can't even grow out my hair. He loves Broadway.
Does that help? I mean, he's a huge fan. I'm practically 100% sure.
So you're non-binary. Well, no.
No, no. Okay.
Anyway, so what are the topics this year? I mean, you can't tell the speakers, but can you tell the topics? So share the arrows is a call to action. When your fellow believer is getting lambasted or rejected or bullied or whatever for standing up for what God says is good, right, and true, rather than saying, I'm glad that's not happening to me.
You stand up and you say, okay, enemy, whatever arrows you're throwing toward her, I'll take them too. And that really can turn things around.
I've watched that happen over and over again. There was one attendee who sent me a message last year and said, I walked out of Share the Arrows with zero fear of man.
And that's what I want every mom, every young woman, every grandma to walk out of Share the Arrows feeling. And so we're going to hit on really controversial topics.
We're going to talk about, you know, the typical gender abortion, all of that, but motherhood, apologetics, the new age, reproductive technology, all the stuff that women don't tend to hear at women's conferences, we're going to hear that from a Christian perspective. That is great.
Thank you. You're just a gem.
I appreciate it. Allie Best Stuckey, you can find her on Blaze TV.
She's the host of Relatable. Look for the podcast wherever you get your podcast.
ShareTheArrows.com. Again, it's happening October 11th in Dallas, Texas.
October 11th. You can get your tickets and find out all the information at ShareTheArrows.com.
This is Glenn Beck. Now, I don't know if you noticed, but gold broke the $3,000 an ounce record yesterday.
Never been that high. $3,003 an ounce.
I remember when everybody was like, this is crazy. It'll never go over $500.
It'll never go over $1,000. It'll never go over $15,000.
Sure, it's at $2,000, but it'll never be $25,000. $3,003 an ounce.
You know what that says? Trouble. That says, what do the people who have money know that you don't know? Why is all of this gold being gobbled up and sent from London to America? What is it they know that you don't know? First of all, you should be very well aware it has a little something to do with paper gold.
I've told you this for years. Don't buy paper gold.
Go ahead and try to eat that paper when this really sinks. You have to have physical gold, and that's part of what is happening.
Physical gold

is being shipped to America in record numbers. Why? Gee, I don't know.
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the code Glenn. Save 30 bucks off blaze tv you know we were just we we were just talking with uh ali besti, and we were talking about Christ is King.

And that whole controversy, and it's not a controversy in my world.

I don't really understand why people are so upset about it, except for extremists that want it to be a thing and want it to divide us.

But, you know, that's not the thing.

Stu and I were just talking about that this is becoming like a um a black lives matter thing where remember you had to post the little black square on had to yeah and you couldn't say all life matters you couldn't say uh i think the lives of black people absolutely matter couldn't say. You had to say black lives matter.
It was like an incantation. And I think, honestly, that's the way it kind of is.
It's a mantra that you must say. And when it comes to Christ is king, king of kings, lord of lords, no,

that's not good enough for you.

Why?

Why isn't that good enough for you?

Why can't I quote scriptures?

Why do I have to say it exactly like you said it?

That just tips me off that something's not right there with some people that are saying

it.

It has another meaning to enough people.

Lord of Lords, King of Kings.

What?

You know, do I have to say Budweiser is the king of beers? That's an advertising slogan. slogan.

And so we just have to be careful

of these things because

you know, they're

we can't boil things down to slogans. Times are too important and deception is too widespread.
We can't just be a bumper sticker. Can't do it.
Today, Donald Trump is at the DOJ. And I came in this morning and one of the producers said, why is he going to the DOJ? And honestly, why? Why hasn't Pam Bondi given the Epstein evidence? well I don't know either of those.

But if you'd like me to speculate,

I could go right to lizard people because they're all lizard people.

Because it wasn't Epstein Island,

it was actually Trump Island.

You know, we could go there if you want to

because the entire world,

even your boss, is part of a global pedophile ring. And the only ones that aren't in on it, you and me.
I mean, I could go there. I don't think that's what it is, you know.
But there are some other options. I'd like to run some of these options down.
And I don't think it's one of these.

I think it could be a myriad of these things.

Bondi is just incompetent or deceiving because she knows.

But she's not telling because she needs to keep it secret for some reason.

Do you believe that one?

I don't think she's incompetent, no.

Yeah.

Do you think she's just doing it because she's part of the deep state cover-up? I don't think so. I don't think so either.
Do you think, and this is the big one online now from the left, because they're trying to scrub Donald Trump's name off it. And they've tried.
No. They've tried scrubbing, they've tried soaking, and it just won't come out it's that's just silly they they had there's i mean there's pictures of them hanging out from when they had a relationship they had a public very large public breakup and it was because of the way epstein if i'm if i'm not mistaken treated some waitress or somebody yeah yeah some employee of trump's and he was like uh no thank you get out that's what i remember as well.
Yeah. Some employee of Trump's.
And he was like, no, thank you. Get out.
That's what I remember as well. Yeah.
Okay. How about this one? She's not releasing it because Donald Trump wants it released when it's strategically and politically the best time.
Probably not. But I mean, there's a fringe possibility there yeah and it might play a role if there's bigger things it might be like wait i mean we got other things to do you know with this particular case you have to do these things and then let's strategize on the top i don't think it's the reason but it could play a small role we saw a slight version of that on the day that the initial stuff came out which was they had a foreign dignitary in town yeah it was uh prince andrew's you know pm right and so they were like well maybe not that let's wait till after that meeting is over like so you there is strategy that goes into all of this.
That she hasn't done it because the FBI, there's bureaucratic resistance and they just can't conquer it. And that's kind of their claim, right? It's bureaucratic resistance from New York.
That was their claim on the first day. But I don't believe that because that would lead me to believe that's true.
That would lead me to believe they're in on it. Because why wouldn't you back up the paddy wagons? You know what I mean? If that were the real reason, why wouldn't you back up the paddy wagons? I think that might have been true.
But if they if there is a coordinated effort in New York, I mean, we just talked to our HUD secretary. New York City has one person left in New York in the in the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
One. If that were true, suddenly Donald Trump and all of the people who believe in it, Kash Patel is not, you know what, we're just going to leave those guys alone, though.
Doesn't make sense. Doesn't make sense, although we have seen a somewhat like agency by agency approach when it comes to the doging of the government.
That would be timing then would be timing but also like you know you have a a list of priorities that you work through maybe they're not to that one yet so now possible let me give you a combination of what i think to me is most likely and you tell me okay okay there's part of it is let's review for privacy reasons. Let's make sure, you know, the girls' names aren't released, that we don't do any damage, and we know the names that are true, and we don't just release a bunch of junk that could get people who weren't involved just swept up into things.
Possible, but it does seem like that is a really legitimate excuse and if it were the excuse we'd be hearing more of it well she did she did say she mentioned that before she released it true right and then she released it after she said that she was done with it true so that's a weird one but maybe it's still possible there's there's so many different pieces of paper that they're looking so when i talked to cash patel what last spring or summer and he said oh day one that will be released and donald trump said this is going i'm going to release this um they were both coming from a place to where they didn't trust anyone in the doj fbi you know right the post office. Everybody was against them.
And his strategy back then was lob this grenade into that room and let's see what crawls out. You know what I mean? Yes.
So now that he's not operating that way, he's not throwing grenades. He these very, very strategic.

Is it possible?

And this is what I think is the most possible.

Is it possible that.

Cash, when he said, I'm going to release this thing right away, was speaking as a guy who wasn't yet even confirmed.

And then.

When he got in and Pam's like, wait a minute, wait a a minute because i've seen this in every cop you know every every law and order or whatever all of them are the same the prosecutor looks at the cop do you want a conviction or do you want you know just this guy you to look good because you caught the bad guy right right yeah. Okay.
Yeah. One of these arms, Cash Patel, his deal is to gather the evidence and get the bad guy.
And his frustration, you know, a year ago, half a year ago, was they're not exposing anything. They're not releasing anything.
And they're not doing anything about it. Okay? So that's where he was coming from.
and he didn't trust anybody in the justice department neither did donald trump but now that donald trump's person is in there cash had that kind of you know law and order moment where pam is like do you want to just release the name so everybody knows or do you want to put these people in prison? Mm-hmm.

You know what I mean?

Mm-hmm.

And so he knows that Trump is, I'm just, I'm shooting, I mean, this is my theory.

No, yeah, that's what you're doing.

That makes more sense to me that he trusts Trump.

He most likely trusts Bondi.

I don't know Pam Bondi, so I have no reason to not trust her, but I have no

firsthand experience to go, I trust her. But I do trust Trump and I do trust Cash Patel.
And when Bondi said, wait, wait, wait, you cannot release these yet because I want convictions. let me get the uh let me all of these things in order.
So when we release it, we also say, oh, and using just pulling this name out of the air because it's riddled with it. Bill Clinton.
We're also next week or tomorrow. We are filing charges against Bill Clinton.
And you want to release that all at the same time.

Release it at the same time. Now, of course, I mean, it's not like he's going to be a runaway fugitive, I don't think.
Bill Clinton, it would be difficult for him to hide. No, no, no, but you want to be able to, again, do you want just the names? Because I want the names, and I'm pissed that the names haven't come out.
but the only reason why I'm pissed is because I have no,

I have no reason to believe that the federal government will do the right thing. Because they've never done the right thing on things like this.
They don't do it. They either give you some BS answer or they're like, and you know what? He's too elderly to even stand trial.
You know, I mean, I know she said put acid on all of her servers, but that she didn't mean that in a bad way. Usually these people aren't held accountable.
They're never held accountable. And so my frustration comes from these people have never been held accountable.
But I think we've seen that there's a new sheriff in town. He operates differently and he's put really good, competent people around him.
And so shouldn't we jump to the conclusion, still trust yet verify? And that's really important. Do you think Donald Trump actually trusted the Russians?ussians no no but for the sake of everybody getting along i'm going to take your word for it i'm going to trust you and we're going to we're going to move forward on this trust but i'm also sending in inspectors because you're not trustworthy our government no matter who's in charge is never trustworthy you should never trust them you should trust and verify let me let me ask you a difficult question on this oh boy it's friday it's friday why not we had a good week let's let's go out blow it up um no how much of what you just said is essentially copium? Like, you are the mythical drug that helps you cope with you not getting what you want.
I thought about that a lot. I don't think so.
You don't think? Because what it sounds like, and I know this isn't what you're doing, but what it sounds like. I know what it sounds like.
It sounds like the Pizzagate people who are like, well, so they didn't have a basement. And that's because they knew we were coming and sealed off the basement where they were keeping the cactus.
They moved it to another restaurant. I know.
It's like at some point. I know.
It's just, is it important to just acknowledge that this isn't there? They're never going to release it. No, because I don't know that's true.
I don't know it's true either. I could say that Donald Trump, I could say, no, I could say that Joe Biden, that George Bush, Mitt Romney, any other, Barack Obama, if that's the kind of president we were looking at, and we had seen an administration that that had just done this campaign and then we didn't have the last 12 weeks or eight weeks that we've just experienced right i would say yeah we're never going to see that nothing's going to happen but you think that but i think with this because he has shown us what he's shown us i i never trust anyone in the government but i want to give them the benefit of the doubt and the time now if i'm sitting here a year from now and that thing hasn't been released i don't trust you do i put this and i think that is verification yeah sure okay i'm putting it in the calendar yeah a year from now you're going to be very upset well no i year from now what? But I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt.
You write the calendar entry. March 14, 2026.
If there has been no release of these documents, no release of what is at least on the tapes, it's kind of buried and it's just nowhere. And there's been no prosecution.
This administration was lying to us. They're no different on that topic than everybody else.
But I don't think that's true. I want you to play this video.
Okay. Okay.
A year from now. Yep.
Because then I can say, well, see, given the the benefit of the doubt was the right thing, or...

Yeah, that's a great way of looking at it.

God, was I stupid?

I must have been high on copium.

Got it. Okay.

It is in the calendar.

It's in the official calendar, March for 2026.

I think it's going to be fascinating to see how that comes out,

because I think there's other possibilities we didn't get to there. He's also going to the DOJ today.
Today, what is he going to say at the DOJ? We'll cover that on Monday. All right, back in just a second.
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