Ep 253 | Why Trump Must ANNIHILATE Mexico’s Cartels Like ISIS | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Now let's get to work. It's hard to believe, but 40 miles away from our border, over 500 people, men, women, children, brutally massacred by a cartel.
Their bodies were then taken to a nearby state-run prison where the prisoners, using makeshift ovens, including a 55-gallon drum or two, incinerated some of the bodies. How is that possible? How is that possible we don't know about it? How is that possible it's happening in Mexico? Well, they're not a Western European country.
They're not like Great Britain. They're not like Norway.
They are a failed narco state, and America needs to wake up to that. They also had the help of the Mexican governor of that state, who would later go on to become the leader of Mexico's largest political party.
You haven't heard this story, have you? Of course not, because the cartel doesn't want you to hear this story. However, there is one man who is not afraid of being on the wrong side of the cartel.
I want to welcome to the podcast, co-founder and director of Breitbart Border and Texas and Breitbart Cartel Chronicles. Thank you, Breitbart, for what you have been doing all of these years.
Welcome, Brandon Darby. Brandon, this has been, I went to CNN.
I tried to tell the story on the border. Nobody wanted to tell it.
Nobody. We don't have satellite trucks down there.
We don't have any, you know, I'd get people on the phone. They all of a sudden couldn't do that story.
Went to Fox. Can't do that story.
You guys are the only ones that I know that have consistently and in in particular you at breitbart you're consistently telling this story before we get into it and people will understand are you safe am i safe i feel safe now um i did not feel safe uh when we started the project i didn't

i didn't know how cartels were gonna react to what we were doing right um but you know i

and i don't say this to preach i i really don't i don't live my life i've not

i've been the furthest from a perfect sanctified person you can maybe not the furthest

Thank you. and I don't say this to preach.
I really don't. I don't live my life.
I've not, I've been the furthest from a perfect sanctified person. You can, maybe not the furthest, but I've been pretty far from it.
And, um, but to me, it's really been an unto the least of these situation. It's, it's like, here are these people.
They don't have a voice for all of these communities. Don have a voice for a bunch of reasons, right? There's a complex reasons why left of center or legacy media didn't cover them.
Yeah. There's complex reasons why the right didn't at that time.
And I knew that I was supposed to do what I could to help bring a voice. And so I just was like, God, you're going to have to stick up for me and watch out for me here, watch out for my family.
But I'm going to up it a little bit, and I'm going to go at these guys in Mexico. And we did that, and we didn't get killed.
And so we started these Cartel Chronicles, which is a whole other deal. We were very directly challenging them in Mexico.
So am I safe? I feel safe. I do things to keep myself safe.
Let's not talk about any of that. So let me take you back.
I think this is when the Chronicles first started. this uh when was it 2011 this rounding up of 500 people and just killing them all because they had the same name and they they knew two of them might be talking to dea officials tell that that story.
Well, okay.

So it's always so difficult to tell these stories because you don't know how many listeners or viewers understand the geography of the border, you know, the worst states. Assume not.
Okay. So the majority of the U.S.-Mexico border is Texas, right? And Texas has the United States borders divided into nine sectors on the southwest border.

Immediately below Texas, below a town called Del Rio and Eagle Pass, it's the Del Rio sector.

That's where everyone would know.

That's where that fence came up, and then the government took it down and all those people. So south of there is a state called Coila.
And Coila, it's right on the Texas border, but it was under control of a cartel called Los Cetas. Los Cetas has since rebranded themselves, kind of like Philip Morris did or something and they changed their name to cdn um but we still call them losetas cdn we don't we don't buy the rebranding that the u.s government and u.s media buys um but they had complete control over that state and what they did was someone had agreed to cooperate with the u.s government um you know with the dea and then the u.s government shared a little bit of information with the mexican government oh good trying to treat them as though that was a safe thing to do and trying to be professional and they shared the a very common last name and said the source's the source's last name is this.
So what Los Zetas did with the government's approval, with the state government's approval, is they went into this region of Mexico called Allende, and they rounded up everyone with that last name and everyone who had a relative with that last name, and they killed 500 and something people killed them they burned their bodies and that was that didn't they take actually take them to like the prison and have the well some of them yeah that we can't figure out what happened to all of them but what we did was we actually went to this prison and got access to a storage for a storage room and we were able to find remnants and of people it was horrifying um but that's what they did to these people and but that happens that's happened all across mexico specifically along the u.s mexico border you know people will tell me well i went to Tijuana and it was safe. It was fine.
I went to a show. And I was like, well, because you're dealing with a different cartel there than what we deal with in Texas and south of Texas.
When you're talking about south of Texas, if you were to go, now people understand where it is. If you say Boca Chica Beach, it's furthest point uh where mexico and the united states meet um that's where elon musk launches rockets from spacex right if you were to go all the way over there that is called the rio grande valley sector that's a state called tamalipas in mexico and it's under the control of the gulf cartel was you go further over and you get to the laredo sector which is next rio grande valley laredo sector del rio sector big ben sector el paso sector and so forth as you come come west you're dealing with losetas right and you know it goes on and down the line.
But specifically, the Gulf Cartel and Los Etos, they've had their leadership decimated. So, and decimate is not even the right word.
They've had their leadership decimated probably eight times over, right? And what happens when you do that is these groups start to factionalize. So now the Gulf Cartel isn't the gulf cartel anymore it's it's multiple cartels who all call themselves the gulf cartel but they're all fighting each other and and what happens is you end up with glorified gangbangers and they no longer care about tomorrow they don't care about long-term profit sustainability they They care about making money today, right? That's why we had the migrant crisis that we had starting in 2013-14 is because this faction of the Gulf Cartel decided they could make as much or more money from smuggling people to our border than they could from drugs.
So that's what they started started doing that's why most of that border crisis was contained to this very small geographic area along our border is because that particular faction of the gulf cartel decided that's what they were going to do for money get it you see how this starts to yeah get complicated so there was a story a couple of weeks ago about crematoriums what what who which cartel is that where was that okay tell that story when you asked me to come on the show my mind i had already been in a place where i was like i need to bring attention to jalisco i need to bring attention to this cartel called cjng right cartel jalisco the head of that cartel is a guy named el mincho okay now they used to be a sinaloa faction they broke off from the sinaloa cartel i mean we could get into people can watch narcos if they want to know that story right but the bottom line is this particular cartel is so brutal and so powerful. They have ties to the current secretary of defense of Mexico.
That's a fact. And they're protected.
So when the U.S. government, you know, like him or hate him or whatever, when Trump first came in, his first term, what was that? 2016? 17.
17. But when he first came in, he had promised, in fact, it was on a radio show with me at the time.
I was guest hosting a show. And Stephen Miller, that was his name, he came on and he promised that they were going to go to war on cartels mexican cartels but they didn't the first term and i'm sure there was there were a lot of complicating factors right like like trump 2.0 and trump 1.0 are not the same at all and um i personally am a fan of 2.0 a lot more.

I like 2.0.

But what they did was they kind of went after MS-13, right?

And I guess they assumed that, well, people won't know the difference

or we're keeping as much of our promise as we can.

But Trump 2.0 is really going at it.

But the problem is that they're really not going after cartel Jalisco, right? Because they're protected. So they're going after the Sinaloa Cartel, which 10 years ago, no one could have done.
And they're going after the Gulf Cartel and they're going after Los Etos. They're going after a lot of folks, but are they really going after Cartel Jalisco? They're not going after cartel jalisco tell me tell me what they do tell me why these guys are so bad well they're just brutal so you you traditionally have had folks like the gulf cartel and los etos who had their leadership taken out remember there were those younger guys who came in so they didn't care as much about tomorrow right they only cared about today which meant the typical things we relied on like our entire counterterrorism strategy on the southwest border again analysts will say this is an oversimplification but i think it's a fair it's a fair oversimplification is we've said well these cartels won't allow a terrorist to come through because they know what that would do to them they know that that would shut down their money and their business their corridors um well that you could say that about an old school cartel with an old leadership who doesn't want to kill police doesn't want to kill u.s citizens they just want to make money and they know how

to avoid trouble right but when it's a bunch of young guys all doing cocaine and methamphetamine and they don't they know they're going to die tomorrow anyways they don't care um well now we have we have a real problem but but again that's coming from these factionalized cartels that can't accumulate a lot of power or political power in Mexico because they're constantly changing leadership. The problem with cartel Jalisco is they are that large cartel with the majority of power, the most powerful cartel right now in the world, I believe.
Some would say an italian group is i don't think so

definitely in our world right that is in our side of the planet most powerful ruthless drug lord in existence is el mincho right now and they are behaving they have all that power and that money and that reach but they are behaving like these young guys from the gulf cartel or from los entes You understand?

And it's a problem.

It's a real problem and um you know regardless of how much i mean obviously if if you have my history and you uh write about these issues you're constantly brushing shoulders with law enforcement there's constantly analysts who reach out to you or others who reach out to you for information in government right and you start to get a pretty clear picture of what their complaints and their gripes are in the state department the u.s state department there's state department employees but the majority of the people handling security and law enforcement in the u.s consulate in monterey right or in the u.s embassy in mexico city they're former law enforcement who are retired who are doing a contract well those guys have a pretty good idea what's going on like where the money's going who they're being told to leave alone, who they're being told to go after and to prioritize, but they

talk. have a pretty good idea what's going on like where the money's going who they're being told to leave alone who they're being told to go after and to prioritize but they talked and when they feel like something wrong is happening they talk right they might not go to congress they might not but they'll talk to you and they'll see you know this stuff and you've been in journalism and they tell you what's going on and what's going on is we are not properly going after El Mencho.
Even now with Trump. Even now.
And I don't think, how do I say this? I think pretty quickly the Trump administration will. But the way that's going to happen is by me texting people I know in the White House and telling them that, by me coming on your show and your platform being used to make sure there's 0% chance that decision makers in this white house don't watch your show.
There's 0% chance. I will tell you that I happen to know somebody on this team that is making the decisions and I have no inside information or anything else.
Um, but I do, I do know he's one of the more serious guys i've ever met um he knows

he's dealt with the worst of the worst of the middle east and uh trump is looking at these guys just like he did isis and everything else and they are at least that bad uh they might be worse because there is no

code at all

amongst them.

But if

you go in, because I've been waiting for every morning for 10 weeks, all these people wake up and they're like, what happened to him last night? And he's dead. And just every day people are waking up dead um and uh but i am i'm wondering now if that's even a good idea for us to spend in send in special forces if it's just breaking them up even more into these little teeny death squads okay that's a really good point and i'm glad you brought it up what we've done to the gulf cartel and we've broken them into little itty bitty teeny tiny death squads right what we have done though is broken their power in mexico their ability to control that central government to have influence over it is very small.
Let's spend a minute on the government because you can't do the things these organizations are doing without serious connections to the government. It's obvious.
When you have a local politician, he's like, I'm going to run against the cartels i'm going to clean this up he's dead everyone who's on his team is dead everybody who even were supporting him they're all dead you clearly when you have the next candidate up he's clearly at least tolerant of the cartels so how do you clean that up i mean how deep does this go is it all of it oh so mexico has um you know five years ago i would have said they had 31 states in the federal district right kind of like their dc mexico city um i think now it's considered a state so it's 32 states, right? Right. More than half of that territory

is under the control of cartels and literal control like literal control so in the united states if someone is in trouble we might send you know the fbi or the atf to go get them right um in mexico they can't do that in mexico they have to send in their elite marines they have to send in like hundreds of soldiers and armored vehicles to go and get someone if they want them and that's even then that it's very rare it rarely is it successful right there's usually the cartels are using drone attacks you know it starts to resemble a smaller version of Ukraine and Russia right now. So it's under their control.
So so it's it's very tricky. I think later on in this discussion, we'll probably get more in detail about maybe we will about, you know, the problems that the u.s has in doing things in mexico um but to put make a long story short years ago um as in a year ago maybe even uh up to a year ago the way that people in the intelligence community and in the law enforcement community in the United States described it to me is they said when when we have law enforcement or intelligence you know priorities the state department would always say hey wait a minute you need to balance your law enforcement and intelligence priorities with the state department's diplomatic concerns oh man, man.
And so you've got to think about what the U.S. government does.
That's horrifying. That's like Vietnam.
So this is what happens. People leave D.C.
They go to Mexico for a two-year assignment or so, right? They take a sheet of paper and they write out their priorities. And they say, okay, here's what I'm going to accomplish while I'm here.
And after I accomplish these things and I leave, I can go to Honolulu or wherever I want to go, right? Some, you know, Southeast Pacific Island or something, because I took this dangerous assignment. They have to work with local partners, with Mexicans to get these priorities done.
And they start to do it. The U.S.
government starts to go after a particular cartel boss. And then all of the people that the State Department's working with and depending on say, well, you need to back off that guy.
It's going to cause problems for us. Why don't you go after this guy instead? This is Al Capone.
Absolutely.one absolutely so to to what you said a minute ago what can the u.s do uh if the u.s goes after them does it break them up and turn them into you know is it like a hydra do you chop the head off and more heads come at you um i think that the u.s government doesn't really need to do that. I think the U.S.
government needs to look at the reality of Mexico. Mexico, everything is for sale.
If you're dirty and you throw money around, you have political power and you can get things done. But if you're the U.S.
government and you throw money around, you can get things done as well. I think that the U.S.
government should fund groups in Mexico to take out or help with these bad guys. Like they just did.
They got a Sinaloa guy named El Mayo. And it turns out that El Mayo was kidnapped by another cartel and then flown here, right the u.s well obviously someone in the u.s government was in was working with these other bad guys to do this and um i think that kind of thing is what's going to happen more um i think that it's probably even slow things down um yeah you have to, I mean, this is one of those tricky things, right? Where there are a lot of folks on the left who cover cartels.
They don't cover them like we do, but they still cover stuff going on in Mexico. Right.
And when they cover it, I say a lot, there's a few of them, a few of my respect, you know,

Ian Grillo.

And there's a few folks I really respect and I read their work, but they come from it from a very liberal, it kind of reminds me of talking about home invasions in Los Angeles,

right?

If you asked me how to deal with home invasions in Los Angeles, I'm going to have a very different

perspective than Nancy Pelosi would have, right? Or even their current governor. And they look at it in this bizarre way.
It's like, well, this violence is going to happen if we do this. It's going to cause these short-term problems.
So maybe we just leave it alone and learn to cooperate with them and live with them. I'm like, no, that's not how we do things, right? Like what we do is we do what we have to do.

And then we worry about the next step afterwards

if the only thing we can do is right before our face, right?

So you take the step, you break them up,

you minimize their federal power, their national power,

and you keep breaking them up.

And then if they turn into five groups, you break them up.

But every time they divide,

they're smaller than they were before, know and you break their power uh that's just gonna take long term i mean and we can't do long term in this country we have four to eight years yeah that's it and that's all we have right yeah that's all we have um i'd say reach across the aisle you know the way that i talk about nobody i mean even some of the republicans they just don't care and i think it's because i've seen some of the pictures that networks didn't allow me to put on the air i've seen the bowling alleys with the heads in the bowling alleys you know what i mean um i've i've seen the heads on the pikes on the side of the street. This cremation story that just came out a few weeks ago.
It's horrifying. Is horrifying.
Horrifying. I don't think people really understand, because they're like, oh, yeah, spring break.
My kids are going to Mexico. Don't go to Mexico.
I wouldn't do that. Yeah, I wouldn't either yeah I wouldn't either it's not the Mexico it used to be now okay Glenn imagine and I'm um maybe I'm tugging on heart strings on for all the viewers a little but that's okay because it's it's real imagine being someone who's a good person right you're a father you have daughters um you have a son you're probably impoverished but imagine that you live under this right you live with when the local cartel comes to get you it's not people in masks coming to get you it's the state police because the state police work for that cartel right that is the cart part of the cart that's their enforcement is their the own mechanisms of government imagine you live under that and no one in the world tells your story no one in the world knows that you live under that they kind of do but not really right and imagine that the only hope you have is that people in the united states tell your story and make what's happening to you matter make people just put it in everyone's head right tell me one of those stories well i was getting at those is that on the left they're afraid to report on what's going on in these communities because they're afraid that in their minds, they think they're reinforcing a racist right of center narrative.
Right. And they're afraid to report on it because if they do report on it, they think it's going to benefit Republican Party or it's going to make brown communities look bad and so in the name of of doing the best for these people they just keep them silent and they refuse to tell what's going on you know and on the right a lot of people have refused because like well you're just bringing sympathy to those people you're and i'm like well yeah that's if i that's what i'm doing if i were on the other side of the border i completely understand i'm taking my family and getting across the border that's what i would do right and i completely understand the plight i don't understand our our unwillingness to move i mean for decades this is this is not a new problem this is getting worse and worse and worse and worse because we don't do anything about it.
We don't demand anything be done about it. And you sit there and you look at it and you're like, I think the average person in Mexico, I'm living in one of those towns, completely run.
Completely run. And everybody knows it.
And my mayor was killed.

The person that wanted to replace him was shot.

You know, his wife and kids, they were shot.

Somebody else was shot all against the cartels.

All of those guys were wiped out.

I shut my mouth.

I look for a way out for my family.

So that's the reality. But if we actually would step in because their government is corrupt, if we actually looked at them like we did isis the people of mexico would embrace us would they not um some would some wouldn't it it depends on where and and what they're dealing with um i think in the communities that are most affected by by like cartel alisco i think that we would be embraced do the mexicans not know the story of these people they do but okay glenn so depending on how you count media workers right like um if you say media workers or journalists right like the the left tends to be like i'm a journalist but my wikipedia page someone put on there i'm a blogger you know it's like it's a mechanism of insulting you're diminishing my work so that happens in mexico too right like the if you use the the terminology or the the the definitions i would use for journalists right there's been about 150 or so mexican journalists killed in the last few years you know few years few years five years uh i think it's been five might have been six or something that's that's okay that's gotta be one of the worst in the world okay so every year between like mexico and syria mexico is always a close number two or mexico and wherever some years, Mexico's number one of the most journalists killed in the world.
So this is where what we do and what you're doing right now is so important because every news outlet has a link, right? Has in Mexico has a link. And I think about this, a link is the person everyone knows is kind of like a, the communist party minder.
So they go, they run things by and the link says, well, you better cover it this way or you better not cover that violence. So you better not mention this.
So you better not write that story about the mayor taking money from narcos. Get it? And so the journalists fall in line because if they don't, they're dead.

They're dead. So what we do is we go and we build relationships with journalists and we say, listen, we know that you work here.
We know that you can't write these things. but if you want to write these things under a pseudonym and you want to give them to us

we'll publish them in english and spanish for the entire western world to see and that's what journalists do that's why we're so successful at it what's the readership like um well in mexico is that is that spread in mexico it does but okay so and then you can you know the stuff just from analytics. Yeah.
People don't share our articles in Mexico on social media. I bet not.
But they do share it via DM. They do, they text it to, they WhatsApp it to each other, right? They send it that way.
They don't share openly on social media generally um that should tell you everything you need to know it absolutely does you know this is this is so enraging because you you hear this and we've made such a big deal out of the venezuela gangs which are horrible horrendous um but we don't talk about and everybody knows, everybody knows that these gangs in Mexico are just as bad. These people, in my opinion, and I'd love to hear your thought, if we're not literally, or, you know, if we're not doing business with them, we're at least turning a major blind eye over the last

five years i personally it to me it's almost as if we're like hey we're going to help your business i mean it is the way we have reacted over the last four years under biden has got to have empowered these people

and

enriched them like nobody's

business.

It was us, the government that did it. Disagree.
I agree. I agree.
Um, this is where we get into, you know, there are some things, some solution, parts of solutions that the, the few on the left who care about this and focus on it yeah there are some parts of their solutions i agree with like what um i agree that ultimately what does away with this type of violence and crime is opportunity i agree with that i agree um but you can't but you can't have opportunity they don't have clean water i wonder why the problem is is what where we disagree is how to get there yes how to get to that place right because it is opportunity i understand some of our best sources through the years have been young guys who at one point in time were cartel guys they uh they weren't leadership but they were you know they had a radio and they would help guide loads or do whatever and they explained it to me and they're like well what else would i do you know like imagine you live outside of outside of juarez like in an opera right rancho an opera just on the other side of the u.s mexico border you can actually see it from this, this little place called Sunland village in New Mexico, just outside of El Paso. And for years there was this chain link fence right there.
Uh, and that was the border and you could look across and you'd see these little shanties and you'd see kids with no shoes and you'd, it was just, it was a bit horrifying and I would always stop and talk to these kids. Right.
But I think, think about this. So you live there, you have, you really don't have access to a lot of formal education, right? Um, your mother probably washes people's laundry by hand, right? You have a couple of sisters.
There's men who are disrespecting your sisters and you, you're pretty sure they're going to wrap them up into something bad. You can't do anything.
And then someone comes to you and goes, hey, all you have to do is like have this radio for me. I'll give you a gun.
I'll pay you, you know, five hundred dollars a week, five hundred US dollars a week. And no one will, you know, try to sexually sexually assault your sister your mother won't have to wash people's underwear anymore and your family will be treated with respect if you're a young man what do you do and that's literally the only option you have what do you do most likely you take that at at a young age i might have it yeah i might have too Yeah, and you take that.
More in just a, I might have. Yeah, I might have too.
Yeah. And you take that.

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It's okay because we know where your grandmother is. We know where your family members are.
So that's your collateral. So you come here.
We'll get you to the border. We're going to dress you up in clothes that appeal to the American sensibility, right? We're going to tell you exactly what to say.
And then on the day that we want to, we're going to bring you and 200 other people to the border and tell you where to cross and tell you what to do. And those people do it.
And they come here and they're the migrant workers, right? They say what they were told to say. They're wearing the clothes that they were given, you know, and for the next however many years, they're sending money back every two weeks to that cartel, you know, through Orlandi Valuda or through, you know, WhatsApp or through Venmo or, you know, PayPal, they're sending money back, small amounts to pay it off.
And that is what is fueling like the Gulf cartel, the Reynosa faction of the Gulf cartel. That's what's fueling them and we've allowed that we've allowed that because we feel bad and we feel bad for people and we understand why they're coming right we we can get why they're coming and you're like whether or not we think it's okay that they've come that way and whether or not we think they should not be allowed to right that we should not we should stop it is is kind of besides the point the fact is is that when you're seeing that you can relate to why that human did that but but that kindness that we're showing not only really is it fair to a whole host of other people but it's really not fair to the the very communities these people come from you get you know i a hundred percent i mean look there are times that compassion can be so wildly misplaced that it just makes things worse and worse and worse there's some things that it has to be in order you know it there has to be, we're never going to make any progress if we are just enabling the bad guys by saying we're going to help the others on the, I understand that.
But we've got to cure that. We have cancer.
Got to cut that cancer out. Get it out.
Before you can help the body, you know. Right.
It's like, hey, let's do calisthenics while you're on chemo no it's not going to work out well it's not going to work out it'll never get you healthy

um uh how deep does this go does this go all the way to the president okay so i've thought about

this um several mexican presidents that has gone all the way to them and they've they've um that's

Thank you. Okay, so I've thought about this.
Several Mexican presidents, it has gone all the way to them. And they've, that's not a, at this point, people can get on Google or DuckDuckGo or something else.
And they can read all about that. This particular president, what I think, this is my gut feeling, right? my gut feeling is that she is not dirty in that way, but that she is a realist who says, okay, this is a country where half of the territory is under the control of these transnational paramilitary cartels.
And I have to somehow govern this country, right? And so what I think she's done is,

like with her secretary of defense I think she's brought people onto her cabinet some of whom she knows are dirty and connected because it helps her govern what what just happened with you know what a month or two ago when they handed over 20 some odd cartel bosses who were wanted that was unprecedented that this guy uh rafael carl cantero he killed this de agent which is kind of what kicked all this off to start with right as part of it he brutally tortured one of our people right and american and a, and a fellow American. And he killed him.
And he had like doctors on standby and there to keep this guy alive just so he could torture him more. Oh my gosh.
Yeah, and that was in the 80s. And Mexico, and we just got him.
Because of the threat of terrorists. But Mexico knew, right? Mexico protected him this entire time.
And they just handed him to us. Why? I think they realized, and again, I'll just say it.
This administration under Trump, on the world stage, finally called them out and said this is, basically they said this is a narco state. Is there any other way to describe it? No, but that's not something that the U.S.
government has done. So, the threat of tariffs, the threat of military action, of the U.S.
taking unilateral action against these guys and mexico said oh man and this president very secretly without informing a lot of people got these guys out of there they got the heads of losetas the the two brothers um the z brothers who ran losetas and even though there's different leaders um is, is those two brothers still ran it. See, in Mexico, this is how it works.
If a cartel boss gets arrested and put in prison in Mexico, that doesn't change anything. What changes it is when they die or when they get into U.S.
custody. Once you're in U.S.
custody, it's like being dead right so if if a cartel boss wanted to kill me and

had a hit on me and he gets arrested in mexico that doesn't do much right he's still the boss but if he gets killed or he gets put into u.s custody then no one will do the hit no one's going to do any favors for him anymore because he's considered gone. So when Mexico handed those people over, that shocked me that they handed us this guy, Carl Quintero.
I could not believe they did it. That was a major gesture.
But I promise you that that president would have had to have done that without informing members of her cabinet that she was doing that. know it would have had to been that kind of hush and secret what she said was she would have you're saying she would have she wouldn't she would not have spoken to her cabinet no she couldn't have because some of them are in fact yeah cartel yeah and so she couldn't have and what how she defended it was she said i had uh intelligence that uh corrupt governors were gonna get paid and release them that's why i did it like i she had to have an excuse for why she did it that way but the fact that she gave us carl cantera is a really big deal the fact that she gave us the the the de facto heads of the of loseta cdn that's a huge deal um it's a really big deal but it still diverts from the fact that el mincho is protected you know who's the major driver of fentanyl in the united states el mincho you know um he's put him put him in a category of other drug bosses or Al Capone or something that people in America can relate to?

It would be hard.

I don't think al capone ever had that much power uh that el mincho has or or um i don't think so al-qaeda bin laden probably more power than that definitely it would be um it's kind of difficult to do that but just imagine um a really bad guy who doesn't mind pumping fentanyl into the united states doesn't mind killing journalists right does it all the time doesn't mind killing innocent people and burying them in mass graves if they get in his way um who now has billions upon billions of dollars per year to play with you know you understand that's you know who has the current secretary of defense as a close friend you know our sources say he's he's a compadre right which means this isn't someone who he talks to on occasion or has a business meeting with this is someone they're talking once or twice a day about their days and what they're doing they're friends they're close friends um so and if people in mexico have a problem with that they just keep it to themselves i think most people do you know like you think about most of the people from Mexico you've met,

if you've ever,

I think, that they just keep it to themselves i think most people do you know like you think about most of the the people from mexico you've met if you've ever i don't know what work you've done before radio and tv but i would imagine you've you've probably like most people done some blue collar work and probably i got into radio when i was 13 okay so i was i mean look at these hands they're babies they. They're like babies.
There's, you know, people, I think most places are decent people. Most people, most human beings are decent.
Scripturally, are they decent? No, we're all awful and fallen. But on a human level, most people, they want to work.
They want to provide. They want to alone left alone and raise their children right they um most people you know they live their life and they're having fun and doing what they can and then at the age that their parents start to pass away they get real serious about life and they're just it's a human experience right all of us have these these poor things right all of us live all of us die all of us lose parents or we die young those are our choices right all of humanity goes through that and i think everyone in mexico does too i think that the vast majority of people are very decent but when the people in power when there's such a few people with wealth right like we don't have that here like people can say we do and they're talking about elon musk or yeah there's a couple of people with so much money that it's i can't even comprehend it but for the most part we have a thriving middle class right we have you know especially compared to places like mexico in, right.
And I think when so few people have power and so few people have firearms, right? Remember in Mexico, you can't have, they're not like us. Everyone doesn't get to have a firearm.
Like we could say if some guys came up the street to take our women or take everyone with a certain last name and burn them and kill them that we would we wouldn't tolerate it. Yeah.
But imagine that you don't have firearms and then imagine that you you don't have 911 to call because if you call the police like you're calling the guys coming up the street doing. Jeez.
Imagine that scenario. Right.
So when you say do most I think most people that have a problem with this. But are they going to do you know what are they going to do they're in a a very difficult situation and that's why you know there's things all over the world where there's injustice there's things all over the world even in our own country but but i'm talking about foreign and you know overseas there's all types of horrible things happening but for some reason our neighbor which affects us the most right with a 2 000 mile land border right roughly 2 000 miles like for some reason like we we don't mind intervening everywhere else in the world, but we don't, but not there, you know, like, um, I, I think I attribute a lot of it to, and make people mad at me, but get mad.
I mean, it's just what I think. I think a lot of it is because of the, the way that we, we handle it, right.
A lot of it is approaching it like California approaches crime, you know? Approaching it very left of center, liberal leaning, ideal approach that doesn't acknowledge or accept the reality, right? So the U.S. government's big push in mexico for last um i don't know probably let's see do the math maybe 12 to 15 years the big push has been to reform their justice system right so what they're trying to do is make mexico have a justice system like ours where there's discovery and you know your accusers, which sounds great.
But if you implement that, when the cartels still control everything, and you have to name the witnesses against a bad guy, what happens, you know? But I'm saying that that that is what we have that's what our state department has

focused on with all of this other stuff happening that's what they've focused on like it's almost like if someone you love is or say that god forbid you you or myself that we have a major tumor right like in our lung

and they come in

and start going hey like

let's do a manicure and a pedicure and let's um right let's uh let's make sure that let's work on the mobility in your ankles and you're like that's great that you're working on the mobility in my ankles but right now i have a i have a tumor in my lung yeah there's that's the approach that we've taken there's this refusal to acknowledge reality right so trump doesn't seem shy and again i know one of the people that he appointed he is not shy either so why haven't we really made a move why haven't there been any shock and awe or should there? And what should we be doing? Well, okay. So this is where things, and you know this, I know that you know this.
I'm going to make an assumption that you know this. Because you too brush, you have relationships with people in these positions.
So you have a little bit of how things work. Or like a lot like, and't want to be ugly but like the way cpac works right if cpac is having a um a panel on the border okay who gets called to that panel like do i get called to that panel probably not right like who gets called to that panel is which groups have the largest booths right well you would be called to the panel i mean yeah you know you get what i'm getting at and whoever has the largest groups they decide who's going to be the speakers gotta stop and then four or five of the people on the panel call me and they're like hey you tell me about this issue what do i say and i'm like well brother like like you're the one who allowed yourself to be elevated to a position of leadership you you know use google i don't know like i'll give you some talking points but what am i you know like all of you are asking me for the same thing like i can't and i think that's what happens and it happens in media i think it happens in bureaucracy in general but it for sure happens in government right where the people who i guess the people who oftentimes make the decisions or the people who are are the advisors maybe are not the ones who should be right now this administration i think is different like if i look at the fbi i love what he's done with the leadership and dan bongino i'll be honest with you i'm a fan i'm a huge fan and um you know i i i look at with terrorism and i look at um the just the folks he's appointed across the board these are people i know or i have either watched for years some of them i've known for years and they're good people and they're serious people who who they might not know everything about cartels but they they know where to reach they know where to look they know whose work to look at and who to ask questions upon but you gotta remember we're very soon into this right like we these guys are still sorting this out we're not we're not far enough into this i think the first administration trump 1.0 i think that he tried to bring as many of and i hate to use that term but i'm going to like swamp creatures in to make peace kind of like because i don't think he understood he didn't get how this works he had no idea how that works i mean he's he's said that many times he does now i think he has a pretty clear idea of how they tried to how how deep in our government is the infection well this is where it gets tricky too is because now we get into border politicians right we get

into like why does the state of texas have a specific task force along the u.s mexico border

to deal with public corruption right why because there's public corruption so if you have political

leaders along the border and those political leaders along the border have relationships

in mexico and have you know with mexico's major political parties being diplomatic right

Thank you. along the border and those political leaders along the border have relationships in mexico and have you know with mexico's major political parties being diplomatic right even if they don't realize it if those political parties like we talk about allende we talked about coila and the mass graves and the burning of 500 summit people in allende right so the governor who allowed that to happen, didn't go the un about it right he allowed it that governor left there and then became the head of a major political party in mexico right pri and so what do u.s politicians do is they try to engage in diplomacy and and and get along with mexico's major political parties

right so that's a mechanism by which those criminal organizations those paramilitary now there's some of them many of them are considered foreign terrorist organizations that's the mechanism by which they influence u.s policies right and u.s politics so i think most of the u.s politicians who are doing the bidding of these cartels i don't think they think of it that way they don't they're not like getting a an envelope full of cash under the table every you know probably some along the border are some of them have you know recently been indicted for envelopes full of cash even though they they defend themselves and say well i'm not corrupt i'm it's like well we'll see you know i think i think you might be right like because we hear that stuff i mean obviously you know this how this works you can't you can't it's why that people like you and i can sometimes have a disadvantage over everyone on social media right because they can they can hear a rumor and they can report it they can report the rumor on their twitter account right or x account whatever it's called i still call it twitter i'm gonna i say twitter x or whatever but they can report it on their twitter account i can't right i have to i have

to fact check it i have to develop other sources and i have to make sure it's true because if i if i say that and it's not true i'm getting sued you know and and then my insurance goes up and then it and then it the marketability of this which is already a difficult thing to market because and you probably know this as well advertisers don't like their ad on a story that has pictures of dead bodies they don't like it so well it's hard to think of you know but so what do you do like so what you do is you you do what breitbart is we open a news foundation we go to a non-profit model like for this particular vein of stories because we're publishing these horrendous photos that everyone gets mad at us for publishing and we're not making money off the photos you know it's just we're trying to show the world it okay in syria when the u.s government and and i think the intelligence community was really pounding the drum through our mainstream media outlets that we needed to be involved in Syria, right? We needed to arm these Al Qaeda groups in Syria to be our friends. There was this image of this, I believe it was a little boy, a little child who was on a shore, right? Like, remember that? Do you remember the dead body? And it was all over Twitter and it was all over CNN and it was all over the Washington Post.
And it was all over all of the outlets who intelligence communities like to leak to um and so I had a picture of a little migrant child who again it was the back of the migrant child dead in this river God is horrible and I published it I said well why is that why does that bother you so much why are you willing to go to war right because you see the image of this dead child in syria but not when you see the image of this dead mexican child or hundarian child on our border right and i got kicked off twitter for it i got banned for a while because i published this image and oh this is yeah okay yeah this is pre musk and um they were like you have to delete it or we're not gonna let you get back on twitter you know and i said but this isn't fair and like well that's the rules i'm like but but you're allowing this issue you're you allow you have a different set of rules for that war than you have for the war on our border the the mexico drug war you have a different set of rules like well you can debate that but there's you're not getting back on twitter if you don't delete that so ultimately you delete it you say what happened you know and um but you understand that oh yeah yeah there's a growing movement of americans who are done being passive investors. They're redirecting their wealth with intent, holding companies accountable for whatever they're doing, investing in the protection of our freedoms and building a parallel economy.
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So you've put together a whole team of journalists.

How many journalists are working with you now?

Oh, I think we have maybe 17 who work on the Cartel Chronicles,

like routinely, the ones who have the, you know,

the ones who are signed on with us and who routinely contribute. What's your life like? What are they risking? That's what people say.
People say, well, are you safe? Or sometimes people go, you have so much courage. I'm like, no, I don't.
I really don't. Like I have guns, you know, I have guns and skills and, and, um, I live in West Texas, right right i live in rural west texas where i feel pretty safe um but these people like we talked about earlier listen to this they don't have firearms right they can't call 9-1-1 because the local police are in fact working with the cartels right the cartel who controls their territory yet they write for us every day they send us reports we publish under a pseudonym right and imagine that they go to bed at night they have no mechanism to defend themselves that's courage right yeah that's the courage in this equation it's not it's them.
And that's what their lives are like. And some of them actually work for mainstream news organizations whose names you would know.
But they're not allowed to write what they want to write because they get killed or their editors would get killed, right? So they instead publish under pseudonyms. how can i help you get the word out on this this right here this is great just just this is great i'd appreciate it um look at our work you know uh what what i do and my team just go to breitbart.com breitbart.com border border uh my my twitter is a great way like i i send everything out brandon darby by the way yes sir and uh and just to care you know pray about it pray about it make sure that you know you're informed and when you talk to whomever you know in the administration or when you talk to if you if someone listening goes to a town hall event with a local political leader, ask them about it.

You know, don't do gotcha because they might not know, but tell them this matters to you.

Do you think we solve this?

I think we can.

Can we solve it?

I think we can.

I think we can do a lot.

Like, you know, okay.

So in Mexico, there tends to be this interesting double standard right when with logic double logic when it comes to their drug war they blame the united states supply for their demand for firearms right you know and when it comes to drugs they don't blame these ruthless drug dealers for for the drug. They blame America for running it.
The most, the weakest, most, you know, mentally health challenged people in our country. Right.
They blame them for their need, for the demand. Right.
So on one hand, they blame the demand. And on the other hand, they turn around and when it benefits them they blame they blame the supply right you know so i kind of take a a middle ground on that and i say well the the sometimes the supply promotes demand right and yes the demand has to be there for the supply to function as well right so it's both do i think we can get to a place where we have fewer people dying of fentanyl? A lot fewer people dying of fentanyl in this country? Yeah, I do.
Do I think we can get to a place where any time someone raises their head and starts trying to be a big shot in Mexico in supplying that fentanyl or drugs to our country that they die and they know not to do it, I think we can.

But I think it's going to take the Trump administration really ramping it up.

And they are ramping it up.

But ramping it up more quickly than they are.

They're going to have to. Because what do we have? have how long do we have till midterms like right now like a year a year and so they're gonna need to really accomplish the bulk of things in this next year because we don't know what what americans you know are going to choose at that point and how difficult things might become.
Should we say to Mexico, our State Department is going to say what we did in Cuba? Sorry, no travel to Mexico. Well, okay, so this is where things get really tricky, is in a way we can do that with Mexico.
we can play hardball. But you have to remember that China is courting Mexico.
So when Mexico's nationwide telecommunications, right? It wasn't a U.S. company who got the contract.
It was Huawei. It's China.
China would love to have a proxy on our border, right? so we have to balance that so so what i advocate is just to consistently use the intelligence community to to get these people get them take them out doesn't even have to really risk u.s life because we can get there are plenty of people in mexico even if the secretary of defense is unwilling to get mincho there are plenty of people in mexico who are willing to you understand this and i suggest that that's what we do i suggest we treat them like we're dealing with al-qaeda um not the entire country right uh but when it comes to these people that we have the intelligence we 100 i know for a fact that we do um you know one of the the weirdest things about being in my position is that about half of the information i come across i make public but half of it is there's really no public i'm gonna ruin someone's investigation right like if someone says oh this cartel boss is gonna be here is supposed to be here on this date according to one of his bodyguards right well what am i gonna do with that what i'm gonna do with that i'm gonna share it with people i'm gonna share it with law enforcement i'm gonna say hey um you don't you don't become me in this position and not have some friendly relations with people in different agencies, Border Patrol, CBP, all of the agencies are someone I know or can talk to. and and i'm very open about that like if about half the information maybe a little less than half

there's no public value in sharing that right the head of this particular cartel is going to be here in a week right but there is value in sharing that with law enforcement and that's what i'll do like i have no qualms have they ever come to you the united states ever come to you and said hey can we get briefed can you talk to us confident all the time all the time all the time under the last administration too really yeah you have a member so my history and all this started and and nowadays it's a bad thing to bring up but at the time i was very proud of what i'd done um many many years ago like in 2007 and 8 and 9 i had worked undercover as an operational I had as an operational source with the FBI in far left circles, right? I had come from that community of people. And I had worked undercover with them in that capacity.
I worked on issues with Palestinian issues, right? Like people who were trying to hurt Israelis, people who were trying to hurt Americans I was very proud of it and what happened was when I these people tried to firebomb the 2007 2008 RNC Republican National Convention and I got to play a a small role in stopping that but I was testifying and when I when my name came out the new york times you know npr this american i mean this like i had i was so attacked for for having helped the government against the peace community not the story wasn't that the peace this far left groups like spawned bomb plots the story was that somebody betrayed their trust or something and that's how i was found by andrew breitbart that's how he found me is he he got a hold of me through some circuitous way and said hey thanks for what you did can um can you come and work with me and tell your story and i was like sure and i did that's how i got into this so you you don't you know you have relationships of people you can talk to. And I know nowadays that's considered bad.
They're like, wait, what? And I was very proud of that. You know, my mother was very, God rest her soul, she was proud of what I was doing.
It was just that, like, all the folks in media seemed to hate me. And then when I, when I.
You're telling somebody it makes everybody else uncomfortable. I know this.
And I know that you know what this feels like. But at the time, in that, you know, 2007, 2008, 2009, their, you know, social media was just growing.
And if the media were attacking you and they weren't reporting your comments back, you had no voice. And then, you doing his thing, you're doing your thing.
Everybody's doing their thing and starting to build this movement, even though some of us are so different and there's all types of human calamities that happen in that process. But that's what we've done is we've basically, all together, we've built this, and you take a leadership role in that, building this entire movement where the other side of America has a voice too.

You know, where CNN and the New York Times and whoever can attack this law enforcement officer for using force.

So is that what you're doing really on this?

Is taking these

journalists and making sure they have a voice?

That's all it is.

I used to focus on the far left

and that's what I would focus on.

And media's biased toward them.

Like the Chardonnay sipping

revolutionaries who would support

their more radical counterparts and all that.

And at some point I said to myself this is the right thing to do. What I'm doing is good, but it's also, it also satiates that part of me that wants revenge because these people wronged me so badly.
And I don't want to live in that. You know, like, I don't want to feel, I don't want to live like that.
So, um, I was running a shelter at the time for human trafficking victims and i began to realize that a lot of the people who were coming to the shelter um there were people who were ultimately going to testify against groups and i'm like well why they testify against these low-level guys when they're these guys in mexico who are the bosses and nothing's happening to them right that's how this all started and so so when i started the border project i was just trying to comprehend like how is this possible that there are these people in mexico who are behind all these awful things and they get away with it right like why don't we do something that's how this started so tell the best so this thing this bringing a voice it's it turns out it's in americans best interest that people in mexico have a voice right these affected communities but it's also it's also in their best interest that they have a voice it's everyone's best interest that there's more voices except for the cartels and those on the tank right right but But be real. Like, they're not, I'm Brandon.
I have relationships, right? Some small degree of attention and notoriety on what I do. You have a much larger degree.
They're not going to kill you. They can't.
They would be decimated, destroyed. You can talk back.
You can say can say something about them but the people there like we just talked about they can't yeah no they need people like me and ultimately people more important people like you doubt it to be that to be that voice well um this is something uh i felt passionately about

for a long time

in what happened on the border

in the last five years.

For people not to understand

how evil that was.

And we just threw money

and opportunity,

not to the people of Mexico,

money and opportunity

to all of these cartels.

And I don't know

what the right thing to do is,