Ep 253 | Why Trump Must ANNIHILATE Mexico’s Cartels Like ISIS | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Speaker 2 It's hard to believe,

Speaker 2 but 40 miles away from our border, Over 500 people, men, women, children, brutally massacred by a cartel.

Speaker 2 Their bodies were then taken to a nearby state-run prison where the prisoners, using makeshift ovens, including a 55-gallon drum or two,

Speaker 2 incinerated some of the bodies.

Speaker 2 How is that possible? How is that possible we don't know about it? How is that possible it's happening in Mexico?

Speaker 2 Well, they're not a Western European country. They're not like Great Britain.
They're not like Norway. They are a failed narco-state, and America needs to wake up to that.

Speaker 2 They also had the help of the Mexican governor of that state, who would later go on to become the leader of Mexico's largest political party.

Speaker 2 You haven't heard this story, have you? Of course not, because the cartel doesn't want you to hear this story. However, there is one man who is not afraid of being on the wrong side of the cartel.

Speaker 2 I want to welcome to the podcast, co-founder and director of Breitbart Border and Texas and Breitbart Cartel Chronicles. Thank you, Breitbart, for what you have been doing all of these years.

Speaker 2 Welcome, Brandon Darby.

Speaker 2 Brandon, this has been... I went to CNN.
I tried to tell the story on the border. Nobody wanted to tell it.
Nobody.

Speaker 2 We don't have satellite trucks down there. We don't have any,

Speaker 2 you know, I'd get people on the phone. They all of a sudden couldn't do that story.
Went to Fox. Can't do that story.

Speaker 2 You guys are the only ones that I know that have consistently, and in particular, you at Breitbart, you're consistently telling this story. Before we get into it, and people will understand,

Speaker 2 are you safe?

Speaker 3 I'm not safe. I feel safe now.

Speaker 3 I did not feel safe when we started the project.

Speaker 3 I didn't know how

Speaker 3 cartels were going to react to what we were doing. Right.

Speaker 3 But, you know,

Speaker 3 I

Speaker 3 and I don't say this to preach. I really don't.
I don't live my life. I've not been, I've been the furthest from a perfect sanctified person.

Speaker 3 You can, maybe not the furthest, but I've been pretty far from it. And

Speaker 3 but to me, it's really been

Speaker 3 an unto the least of these situation. It's like, here are these people.

Speaker 3 They don't have a voice for all of these communities don't have a voice for a bunch of reasons, right?

Speaker 3 There's complex reasons why left of center or legacy media didn't cover them. There's complex reasons why the right didn't at that time.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I knew that I was supposed to do what I could to help bring a voice. And so I just was like, God, you're going to have to stick up for me and watch out for me here, watch out for my family.

Speaker 3 But I'm going to, I'm going to, I'm going to up it a little bit and I'm going to go at these guys in Mexico. And we did that.
And we didn't get killed.

Speaker 3 And so we started these Cartel Chronicles, which is a whole nother deal. We were very directly challenging them in Mexico.

Speaker 3 So am I safe?

Speaker 3 I feel safe. I I do things to keep myself safe.

Speaker 2 Let's not talk about any of that.

Speaker 2 So let me take you back. I think this is when the Chronicles

Speaker 2 first started.

Speaker 2 This,

Speaker 2 when was it, 2011,

Speaker 2 this rounding up of 500 people

Speaker 2 and just killing them all because they had the same name and they

Speaker 2 knew two of them might be talking to DEA officials. Tell that story.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 okay. So it's always so difficult to tell these stories because you don't know how many listeners or viewers

Speaker 3 understand the geography of the border, you know,

Speaker 2 where

Speaker 3 the majority of the U.S.-Mexico border is Texas, right?

Speaker 3 And Texas has...

Speaker 3 The United States border is divided into nine sectors on the southwest border.

Speaker 3 Immediately below Texas, below a town called Del Rio and Eagle Pass,

Speaker 3 it's a Del Rio sector. There's a state.

Speaker 2 That's where everyone would know. That's where that fence came up, and then the government took it down and all those people.

Speaker 3 So south of there is a state called Cohila.

Speaker 3 And Coila...

Speaker 3 It's right on the Texas border, but it was under control of a cartel called Los Cetas.

Speaker 3 Los Cetas has since rebranded themselves, kind of like Philip Morris did or something. And they changed their name to CDN.

Speaker 3 But we still call them Los Cetas CDN. We don't buy the rebranding that the U.S.
government and U.S. media buys.

Speaker 3 But they had complete control over that state.

Speaker 3 And what they did was someone had agreed to cooperate with the U.S. government.

Speaker 3 you know, with the DEA, and then the U.S. government shared a little bit of information with the Mexican government,

Speaker 3 trying to treat them as though

Speaker 3 that was a safe thing to do and trying to be professional. And they shared a very common last name and said, the source's last name is this.

Speaker 3 So what Los Setas did with the government's approval, with the state government's approval, is they went into this region of Mexico called Allende and they rounded up everyone with that last name and everyone who had a relative with that last name.

Speaker 3 And they killed them, 500 and something people, killed them. They burned their bodies.
And that was that.

Speaker 2 Didn't they actually take them to like the prison and have the...

Speaker 3 Well, some of them, yeah. We can't figure out what happened to all of them.
But what we did was we actually went to this prison and got access to a

Speaker 3 storage room, and we were able to find remnants of people. It was horrifying.

Speaker 3 But that's what they did to these people.

Speaker 3 But that happens, that's happened all across Mexico, specifically along the U.S.-Mexico border. You know, people will tell me, well, I went to Tijuana and it was safe.
It was fine. I went to a show.

Speaker 3 And I was like, well, because you're dealing with a different cartel there than what we deal with in Texas and south of Texas. When you're talking about south of Texas, if you were to go,

Speaker 3 now people understand where it is. If you say Boca Chica Beach, it's the very furthest point

Speaker 3 where Mexico and the United States meet.

Speaker 3 That's where Elon Musk launches rockets from, SpaceX, right?

Speaker 3 If you were to go all the way over there, that is called the Rio Grande Valley sector. That's a state called Tama Lipas in Mexico.
And it's under the control of the Gulf Cartel.

Speaker 3 Well, as you go further over and you get to the Laredo sector, which is next, Rio Grande Valley, Laredo sector, Del Rio sector, Big Bend sector, El Paso sector, and so forth. As you

Speaker 3 come

Speaker 3 west,

Speaker 3 you're dealing with Losetas, right? And, you know, it goes on and down the line. But specifically, the Gulf cartel and Los Cetas,

Speaker 3 they've had their leadership decimated.

Speaker 3 So, and decimate is not even the right word. They've had their leadership decimated probably eight times over, right?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 what happens when you do that is these groups start to factionalize so now the golf cartel isn't the golf cartel anymore it's it's multiple cartels who all call themselves the golf cartel but they're all fighting each other and and what happens is you end up with glorified gangbangers and they no longer care about

Speaker 3 tomorrow they don't care about long-term profit sustainability they care

Speaker 3 about making money today, right?

Speaker 3 That's why we had the migrant crisis that we had starting in in 2013-14, is because this faction of the Gulf Cartel decided they could make as much or more money from smuggling people to our border than they could from drugs.

Speaker 3 So that's what they started doing.

Speaker 3 That's why most of that border crisis was contained to this very small geographic area along our border, is because that particular faction of the Gulf Cartel decided that's what they were going to do for money.

Speaker 3 You see how this starts to

Speaker 3 get complicated?

Speaker 2 So there was a story a couple of weeks ago about crematoriums.

Speaker 3 Which cartel is that? Where was that?

Speaker 2 Tell that story.

Speaker 3 When you asked me to come on the show, my mind, I had already been in a place where I was like, I need to bring attention to Jalisco. I need to bring attention to this cartel called CJNG, right?

Speaker 3 Cartel Jalisco.

Speaker 3 The head of that cartel is a guy named El Mincho, okay?

Speaker 3 Now, they used to be a Sinaloa faction. They broke off from this Sinaloa cartel.
I mean, we could get into, people can watch Narcos if they want to know that story, right?

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 3 the bottom line is

Speaker 3 this particular cartel is so brutal and so powerful. They have ties to the current Secretary of Defense of Mexico.
That's a fact.

Speaker 3 And they're protected. So

Speaker 3 when the U.S. government, you know, like him or hate him or whatever,

Speaker 3 when Trump first came in, his first term, what was that, 2016,

Speaker 3 17, but

Speaker 3 when he first came in, he had promised, in fact, it was on a radio show with me at the time. I was guest hosting a show.
And Stephen Miller, that was his name.

Speaker 3 He came on and he promised that they were going to go to war on cartels, Mexican cartels. But they didn't the first term.
And I'm sure

Speaker 3 there were a lot of complicating factors, right? Like Trump 2.0 and Trump 1.0 are not the same at all.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I personally am a fan of 2.0 a lot more. I like 2.0.

Speaker 3 But what they did was they kind of went after MS-13, right?

Speaker 3 And I guess they assumed that, well, people won't know the difference or we're keeping as much of our promise as we can. But Trump 2.0 is really going at it.
But the problem is

Speaker 3 that they're really not going after Cartel Jalisco, right?

Speaker 3 Because they're protected. So they're going after the Sinaloa cartel, which 10 years ago no one could have done.
And they're going after the Gulf Cartel and they're going after Los Cetas.

Speaker 3 They're going after a lot of folks. But are they really going after Cartel Jalisco? They're not going after Cartel Jalisco.

Speaker 2 Tell me what they do.

Speaker 3 Tell me why these guys are so bad. Well, they're just brutal.
So

Speaker 3 you traditionally have had folks like the Gulf Cartel and Los Setas who had their leadership taken out.

Speaker 3 Remember, there were those younger guys who came in, so they didn't care as much about tomorrow, right?

Speaker 3 They only cared about today, which meant the typical things we relied on, like our entire counterterrorism strategy on the southwest border.

Speaker 3 Again, analysts will say this is an oversimplification, but I think

Speaker 3 it's a fair oversimplification.

Speaker 3 We've said, well, these cartels won't allow a terrorist to come through because they know what that would do to them. They know that that would shut down their money and their corridors.

Speaker 3 Well, you could say that about an old school cartel with an old leadership who doesn't want to kill police, doesn't want to kill U.S. citizens.

Speaker 3 They just want to make money and they know how to avoid trouble, right?

Speaker 3 But when it's a bunch of young guys all doing cocaine and methamphetamine, and

Speaker 3 they know they're going to die tomorrow anyways, they don't care.

Speaker 3 Well, now we have a real problem.

Speaker 3 But again, that's coming from these factionalized cartels that can't

Speaker 3 accumulate a lot of power or political power in Mexico because they're constantly changing leadership.

Speaker 3 The problem with Cartel Jalisco is they are that large cartel with the majority of power, the most powerful cartel right now in the world, I believe. Some would say an Italian group is.

Speaker 3 I don't think so.

Speaker 3 Definitely in our world, right? That is in our side of the planet. Most powerful, ruthless drug lord in existence is El Mincho right now.

Speaker 3 And they are behaving,

Speaker 3 they have all that power and that money and that reach, but they are behaving like these young guys from the Gulf cartel or from Los Etas. You understand?

Speaker 3 And it's a problem. It's a real problem.
And,

Speaker 3 you know, regardless of how much,

Speaker 3 I mean, obviously, if you have my history and you

Speaker 3 write about these issues, you're constantly brushing shoulders with law enforcement.

Speaker 3 There's constantly analysts who reach out to you or others who reach out to you for information in government, right?

Speaker 3 And you start to get a pretty clear picture of what their complaints and their gripes are. In the State Department, the U.S.

Speaker 3 State Department, there's State Department employees, but the majority of the people handling security and law enforcement in the U.S. Consulate in Monterey, right, or in the U.S.

Speaker 3 Embassy in Mexico City, they're former law enforcement who are retired, who are doing a contract.

Speaker 3 Well, those guys have a pretty good idea what's going on, like where the money's going, who they're being told to leave alone. who they're being told to go after and to prioritize.
But they talk.

Speaker 3 And when they feel like something wrong is happening, they talk, right? They might not go to Congress, they might not, but they'll talk to you.

Speaker 3 And they'll, you know, this stuff and you've been in journalism. And they tell you what's going on.
And what's going on is we are not properly going after El Mincho.

Speaker 3 Even now with Trump. Even now.
And I don't think, how do I say this? I think pretty quickly the Trump administration will.

Speaker 3 But the way that's going to happen is by me texting people I know in the White House and telling them that, by me coming on your show and

Speaker 3 your platform being used to make sure there's 0% chance that decision makers in this White House don't watch your show. There's 0% chance.

Speaker 2 I will tell you that I happen to know somebody on this team that is making the decisions. And I have no inside information or anything else, but

Speaker 2 I do know he's one of the more serious guys I've ever met.

Speaker 2 He knows he's dealt with the worst of the worst of the Middle East. And Trump is looking at these guys just like he did ISIS and everything else.
And they are

Speaker 2 at least that bad. They might be worse because there is no code at all

Speaker 2 amongst them.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 if you go in, because I've been waiting for

Speaker 2 every morning for 10 weeks, all these people wake up and they're like, what happened to him last night? And he's dead.

Speaker 2 And just every day people are waking up dead.

Speaker 2 But I'm wondering now if that's even a good idea for us to

Speaker 2 send in special forces if it's just breaking them up even more into these little teeny death squads.

Speaker 3 Okay, that's a really good point. And I'm glad you brought it up.

Speaker 3 What we've done to the Gulf Cartel, and we've broken them into little itty-bitty teeny tiny death squads right

Speaker 2 what we have done though is broken their power in mexico their ability to control that central government to have influence over it is very small they so but wait let me stop let me let's let's spend a minute on the government because you can't do the things these organizations are doing without serious connections to the government.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 I mean, it's obvious. When you have a local politician, he's like, I'm going to run against the cartels.
I'm going to clean this up. He's dead.
Everyone who's on his team is dead.

Speaker 2 Everybody who even was supporting him, they're all dead. You clearly, when you have the next candidate up, he's clearly at least tolerant.
of the cartels. So how do you clean that up?

Speaker 2 I mean, how deep does this go? Is it all of it?

Speaker 3 Oh, so

Speaker 3 Mexico has,

Speaker 3 you know, five years ago, I would have said they had 31 states in the federal district, right? Kind of like their DC, Mexico City.

Speaker 3 I think now it's considered a state, so it's 32 states, right? Right.

Speaker 3 More than half of that territory is under the control of cartels.

Speaker 3 Literal control. Like literal control.
So in the United States, if someone is in trouble, we might send, you know, the FBI or the ATF to go get them, right?

Speaker 3 In Mexico, they can't do that. In Mexico, they have to send in their elite Marines.
They have to send in like hundreds of soldiers and armored vehicles to go and get someone if they want them.

Speaker 3 And that's even then that it's very rare.

Speaker 3 Rarely is it successful, right? There's usually the cartels are using drone attacks.

Speaker 3 It starts to resemble a smaller version of Ukraine and Russia right now.

Speaker 3 So it's under their control.

Speaker 3 So it's very tricky.

Speaker 3 I think later on in this discussion, we'll probably get more in detail about,

Speaker 3 maybe we will, about

Speaker 3 the problems that the U.S. has in doing things in Mexico.

Speaker 3 But to make a long story short,

Speaker 3 years ago,

Speaker 3 as in a year ago, maybe even, up to a year ago, the way that people in in the intelligence community and in the law enforcement community in the United States described it to me is they said,

Speaker 3 when we have law enforcement or intelligence

Speaker 3 priorities, the State Department would always say, hey, wait a minute, you need to balance your law enforcement and intelligence priorities with the State Department's diplomatic concerns.

Speaker 2 Oh, man.

Speaker 3 And so you got to think about what the U.S. government does.

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 horrifying. That's like Vietnam.

Speaker 3 So this is what happens is people leave D.C., they go to Mexico for a two-year assignment or so, right? They take a sheet of paper and they write out their priorities.

Speaker 3 And they say, okay, here's what I'm going to accomplish while I'm here. And after I accomplish these things and I leave, I can go to Honolulu or wherever I want to go, right? Some

Speaker 3 Southeast Pacific island or something, because I took this dangerous assignment. They have to work with local partners, with Mexicans, to get these priorities done, and they start to do it.
The U.S.

Speaker 3 government starts to go after a particular cartel bus.

Speaker 3 And then all of the people that the State Department's working with and depending on say, well, you need to back off that guy. It's going to cause problems for us.

Speaker 3 Why don't you go after this guy instead?

Speaker 2 This is El Capone.

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 to

Speaker 3 what you said a minute ago, what can the U.S. do if the U.S.
goes after them? Does it break them up and turn them into, you know, is it like a hydra?

Speaker 3 Do you chop the head off and more heads come at you?

Speaker 3 I think that

Speaker 3 the U.S. government doesn't really need to do that.
I think the U.S. government needs to look at the reality of Mexico.
Mexico, everything is for sale.

Speaker 3 If you're dirty and you throw money around, you have political power and you can get things done. But if you're the U.S.
government and you throw money around, you can get things done as well.

Speaker 3 I think that the U.S. government should fund groups in Mexico to

Speaker 3 take out or help with these bad guys. Like they just did.

Speaker 3 They got a Sinaloa guy named El Mayo.

Speaker 3 And it turns out that Elmayo was kidnapped by another cartel and then flown here, right, to the U.S. Well, obviously someone in the U.S.
government

Speaker 3 was working with these other bad guys to do this. And

Speaker 3 I think that kind of thing is what's going to happen more.

Speaker 3 I think that it's probably going to be a lot of people.

Speaker 2 Probably that even slow things down.

Speaker 3 Yeah, yeah, because you have to, I mean, this is one of those tricky things, right? Where

Speaker 3 there are a lot of folks on the left who cover cartels. They don't cover them like we do.

Speaker 3 But they still cover stuff going on in Mexico, right?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 when they cover it, I say a lot, there's a few of them, a few of them I respect, you know, Ian Grillo, and there's a few folks I really respect and I read their work, but they come from it from a very liberal,

Speaker 3 it kind of reminds me of talking about home invasions in Los Angeles, right?

Speaker 3 If you asked me how to deal with home invasions in Los Angeles, I'm going to have a very different perspective than Nancy Pelosi would have, right?

Speaker 3 And or even their current governor. Right.
And

Speaker 3 they look at it in this bizarre way. It's like, well, this violence is going to happen if we do this.
It's going to cause these short-term problems.

Speaker 3 So maybe we just leave it alone and learn to cooperate with them and live with them. And I'm like, no, that's not how we do things, right? Like what we do is we do what we have to do.

Speaker 3 And then we worry about the next step afterwards if the only thing we can do is right before our face, right?

Speaker 3 So you take the step, you break them up, you minimize their federal power, their national power, and you keep breaking them up. And then if they turn into five groups, you break them up.

Speaker 3 But every time they divide, they're smaller than they were before, you know, and you break their power.

Speaker 2 That's just going to take long term.

Speaker 3 And we can't do long term in this country.

Speaker 2 We have four to eight years.

Speaker 3 Yeah, that's it. And that's all we have.
Right. Yeah.
That's all we have.

Speaker 3 I'd say reach across the aisle. You know, the way that I talk about...
Nobody.

Speaker 2 I mean, even some of the Republicans, they just don't care. And I think it's because

Speaker 2 I've seen some of the pictures that networks didn't allow me to put on the air. I've seen the bowling alleys with the heads in the bowling alleys.
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 I've seen the heads on the pikes on the side of the street.

Speaker 2 This

Speaker 2 cremation story that just came out a few weeks ago

Speaker 3 is horrifying.

Speaker 2 Horrifying.

Speaker 2 I don't think people really understand, you know, because they're like, oh, yeah, spring break. My kids are going to Mexico.
Don't go to Mexico.

Speaker 3 I wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I wouldn't either.

Speaker 2 It's not the Mexico it used to be.

Speaker 3 Now, okay, Glenn, imagine, and I'm, um, maybe I'm tugging on heartstrings on for all the viewers a little, but that's okay because it's, it's real.

Speaker 3 Imagine

Speaker 3 being someone who's a good person, right? You're a father, you have daughters, um, you have a son, you're probably impoverished, impoverished. But imagine that you live under this, right? You live

Speaker 3 with

Speaker 3 when the local cartel comes to get you, it's not people in masks coming to get you. It's the state police because the state police work for that cartel, right? That is the part of the cartel.

Speaker 3 That's their enforcement, is their own mechanisms of government. Imagine you live under that

Speaker 3 and no one in the world tells your story. No one in the world knows that you live under that.
They kind of do, but not really, right?

Speaker 3 And imagine that

Speaker 3 the only hope you have is that people in the United States

Speaker 3 tell your story and make what's happening to you matter. Make people just put it in everyone's head, right?

Speaker 2 Tell me one of those stories.

Speaker 3 Well, what I was getting at, though, is that

Speaker 3 on the left, they're afraid to report on what's going on in these communities because they're afraid that in their minds, they think they're reinforcing a racist right of center narrative, right?

Speaker 3 And they're afraid to report on it because

Speaker 3 if they do report on it, they think it's going to benefit Republican Party or it's going to make brown communities look bad. And so in the name of

Speaker 3 doing the best for these people, they just keep them silent and they refuse to tell what's going on. You know?

Speaker 3 And on the right, a lot of people have refused because they're like, well, you're just bringing sympathy to those people.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, well, yeah, that's

Speaker 2 what I'm doing. If I were on the other side of the border, I completely understand.
I'm taking my family and getting across the border. That's what I would do.
Right.

Speaker 2 And I completely understand the plight. I don't understand

Speaker 2 our unwillingness to move. I mean, for decades.

Speaker 2 This is not a new problem. This is getting worse and worse and worse and worse because we don't do anything about it.
We don't demand anything be done about it.

Speaker 2 And you sit there and you look at it and you're like, I think the average person in Mexico, I'm living in one of those towns, completely run. Completely run.
And everybody knows it.

Speaker 2 And my mayor was killed. The person that wanted to replace him was shot.

Speaker 2 You know, his wife and kids, they were shot. Somebody else was shot all against the cartels.
All of those guys were wiped out. I shut my mouth.
I look for a way out for my family.

Speaker 2 So that's the reality. But if we actually would step in because their government is corrupt, if we actually looked at them like we did ISIS, the people of Mexico would embrace us.
Would they not?

Speaker 3 Some would, some wouldn't. It depends on where and what they're dealing with.

Speaker 3 I think in the communities that are most affected by like Cartel Alisco, I think that we would be embraced.

Speaker 2 Do the Mexicans not know the story of these people?

Speaker 3 They do. But, okay, Glenn.

Speaker 3 So depending on how you count media workers, right? Like if you say media workers or journalists, right? Like the left tends to

Speaker 3 be like, I'm a journalist, but my Wikipedia page, someone put on there, I'm a blogger. You know, it's like a mechanism of insulting me or diminishing my work.
So that happens in Mexico, too, right?

Speaker 3 Like

Speaker 3 if you use the terminology or the

Speaker 3 definitions I would use for journalists, right?

Speaker 3 There's been about 150 or so Mexican journalists killed in the last few years, you know?

Speaker 2 A few years. Few years.

Speaker 3 Five years?

Speaker 3 I think it's been five, might have been six or something.

Speaker 2 That's got to be one of the worst in the world, isn't it?

Speaker 3 Okay, so every year

Speaker 3 between like Mexico and Syria, Mexico is always a close number two or Mexico and wherever. Some years Mexico is number one

Speaker 3 of the most journalists killed in the world. So this is where what we do

Speaker 3 and what you're doing right now is so important because

Speaker 2 every news outlet has a link, right?

Speaker 3 In Mexico has a link. Now think about this.
A link is the person everyone knows is kind of like the communist party minder.

Speaker 3 So they go, they run things by and the link says, well, you better cover it this way. Or you better not cover that violence.
Or you better not mention this.

Speaker 3 Or you better not write that story about the mayor taking money from narcos. Get it? And so the journalists fall in line because if they don't,

Speaker 3 they're dead. So what we do is we go and we build relationships with journalists and we say, listen, we know that you work here.
We know that you can't write these things.

Speaker 3 But if you want to write these things under a pseudonym,

Speaker 3 And you want to give them to us, we'll publish them in English and Spanish for the entire Western world to see. And that's what journalists do.
That's why we're so successful at it.

Speaker 2 What's the readership like?

Speaker 2 John in Mexico.

Speaker 2 Is that spread in Mexico?

Speaker 3 It does, but okay, so, and you can, you know this stuff just from analytics. Yeah.

Speaker 3 People don't share our articles in Mexico on social media. I bet not.
But they do share it via DM. They do, they text it to they WhatsApp it to each other, right? They send it that way.

Speaker 3 They don't share openly on social media generally.

Speaker 2 That should tell you everything you need to know.

Speaker 3 It absolutely does.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 this is so enraging because you hear this, and we've made such a big deal out of the Venezuela gangs, which are horrible, horrendous.

Speaker 2 But we don't talk about, and everybody knows, everybody knows that these gangs in Mexico are just as bad.

Speaker 2 These people, we...

Speaker 2 in my opinion, and love to hear your thought,

Speaker 2 if we're not literally, or, you know,

Speaker 2 if we're not doing business with them, we're at least turning a major blind eye over the last five years. I personally,

Speaker 2 to me, it's almost as if we're like, hey, we're going to help your business. I mean, it is.

Speaker 2 The way we have reacted over the last four years under Biden has got to have empowered these people

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 enriched them like nobody's business. And it was us, the government that did it.

Speaker 2 Disagree?

Speaker 3 I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 This is where we get into,

Speaker 3 you know, there are some things,

Speaker 3 some solutions, parts of solutions that the

Speaker 3 few on the left who care about this and focus on it. Yeah.
There are some parts of their solutions I agree with. Like what?

Speaker 3 I agree that ultimately what

Speaker 3 does away with this type of violence and crime is opportunity. I agree with that.
I agree.

Speaker 2 But you can't, but you can't have opportunity. They don't have clean water.
I wonder why.

Speaker 3 The problem is, is where we disagree is how to get there. Yes.
How to get to that place, right? Because it is opportunity. I understand.

Speaker 3 Some of our best sources through the years have been young guys who at one point in time were cartel guys they uh they weren't leadership but they were you know they had a radio and they would help guide loads or do whatever and they explained it to me and they're like well what else would I do you know like imagine you live outside of

Speaker 3 outside of Juarez like in Anopra right Rancho Anopra just on the other side of the U.S.-Mexico border.

Speaker 3 You can actually see it from this little place called Sunland Village in New Mexico, just outside of El Paso. And for years, there was this chain link fence right there.
And that was the border.

Speaker 3 And you could look across and you'd see these little shanties and you'd see kids with no shoes. And you'd, I mean,

Speaker 3 it was a bit horrifying. And I would always stop and talk to these kids, right?

Speaker 3 But I think, think about this. So you live there.

Speaker 3 You have, you really don't have access to a lot of formal education, right?

Speaker 3 Your mother probably washes people's laundry by hand, right?

Speaker 3 You have a couple of sisters. There's men who are disrespecting your sisters, and you're pretty sure they're going to wrap them up into something bad.
You can't do anything.

Speaker 3 And then someone comes to you and goes, hey,

Speaker 3 all you have to do is like have this radio for me. I'll give you a gun.
I'll pay you, you know, $500 a week, $500 US dollars a week, and

Speaker 3 no one will. you know, try to sexually assault your sister.
Your mother won't have to wash people's underwear anymore, and your family will be treated with respect.

Speaker 3 If you're a young man, what do you do? And that's literally the only option you have. What do you do?

Speaker 2 Most likely, you take that.

Speaker 3 At a young age, I might have it. Yeah, right.

Speaker 2 I might have too. Yeah.

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Speaker 3 So, yes,

Speaker 3 giving opportunity

Speaker 3 is, I think, the way out of this. But how do we get there? Well, we're not going to get there without a lot of violence.

Speaker 3 We're not going to get there without a lot of things that would make most people feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 We're just not. And that's, you know, it's kind of like we talked about the Overton window, right? Like, what's the, what,

Speaker 3 what we accept and what we have accepted, think about this, we have accepted a 2,000-mile border

Speaker 3 that is largely immediately on the other side is under the control of transnational paramilitary criminal organizations. And we've accepted it.

Speaker 3 We've allowed them to make untold amounts, millions from bringing people to our border. They advertise in Central America, right? And they say, say, hey, you can come here.

Speaker 3 You don't have to have any collateral. It's okay because

Speaker 3 we know where your grandmother is. We know where your family members are.
So that's your collateral. So you come here.
We'll get you to the border.

Speaker 3 We're going to dress you up in clothes that appeal to the American sensibility, right?

Speaker 3 We're going to tell you exactly what to say.

Speaker 3 And then on the day that we want to, we're going to bring you and 200 other people to the border and tell you where to cross and tell you what to do. And those people do it.

Speaker 3 And they come here and they're the migrant workers, right?

Speaker 3 They say what they were told to say.

Speaker 3 They're wearing the clothes that they were given, you know, and for the next however many years, they're sending money back every two weeks to that cartel, you know, through Orlandi Veluta or through, you know, WhatsApp or through Venmo or, you know, their PayPal.

Speaker 3 They're sending money back, small amounts, to pay it off.

Speaker 3 And that is what is fueling like the Gulf cartel the reynosa faction of the golf cartel that's what's fueling them and we've allowed that we've allowed that because we feel bad and we feel bad for people and i we understand why they're coming right we we can get why they're coming and you're like whether or not we think it's okay that they've come that way and whether or not we think they should not be allowed to right that we should not we should stop it is is kind of besides the point.

Speaker 3 The fact is, is that when you're seeing that, you can relate to why that human did that.

Speaker 3 But that kindness that we're showing, not only really is it fair to a whole host of other people, but it's really not fair to the very communities these people come from.

Speaker 2 Yo, I 100%.

Speaker 2 Look, there are times that compassion

Speaker 2 can be so wildly misplaced that it just makes things worse and worse and worse. There's some things that it has to be in order.
You know, there has to be,

Speaker 2 we're never going to make any progress if we are just enabling the bad guys by saying we're going to help the others on the,

Speaker 2 I understand that, but we've got to cure that. We've got to, we have cancer.
Got to cut that cancer out

Speaker 2 before you can help the body. You know, it's like, hey, let's do calisthenics while you're on chemo.
No, it's not going to work out well. It's not going to work out.
It'll never get you healthy.

Speaker 2 How deep does this go? Does this go all the way to the president?

Speaker 3 Okay. So I've thought about this.

Speaker 3 Several Mexican presidents, it has gone all the way to them. And

Speaker 3 they've

Speaker 3 that's that's not a,

Speaker 3 at this point, and people can get on Google or DuckDuckGo or something else.

Speaker 3 They can read all about that. This particular president, what I think, this is my gut feeling, right?

Speaker 3 My gut feeling is that she is not dirty in that way,

Speaker 3 but that she is a realist who says, okay, this is a country where half of the territory is under the control of these transnational paramilitary cartels.

Speaker 3 And I have to somehow govern this country, right?

Speaker 3 And so what I think she's done is, like with her Secretary of Defense, I think she's brought people onto her cabinet, some of whom she knows are dirty and connected, because it helps her govern.

Speaker 3 What just happened with,

Speaker 3 you know, what, a month or two ago, when they handed over 20 some odd cartel bosses who were wanted, that was unprecedented.

Speaker 3 This guy, Rafael Carl Quintero, he killed this DE agent. Which is kind of what kicked all this off to start with, right, as part of it.
He brutally tortured one one of our people, right?

Speaker 3 And American, and a fellow American, and he killed him. And he had, he had like doctors and

Speaker 3 on standby and there to keep this guy alive just so he could torture him more. Oh my gosh.
Yeah. And that was in the 80s.

Speaker 3 And Mexico

Speaker 2 and we

Speaker 3 just got him because of the

Speaker 2 terrorist. Mexico knew, right?

Speaker 3 Mexico protected him this entire time. And they just handed him to us.
Why?

Speaker 3 I think they realized that,

Speaker 3 and again,

Speaker 3 I'll just say it.

Speaker 3 This administration under Trump on the world stage finally called them out and said, this is basically, they said, this is a narco-state.

Speaker 2 It's a narco-state. There's any other way to describe it.

Speaker 3 No, but that's not something that the U.S. government has done.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 the threat of tariffs, the threat of military action, of the U.S. taking unilateral action against these guys, and Mexico said, oh, man.

Speaker 3 And this president, very secretly, without informing a lot of people, got these guys out of there. They got the heads of Los Cetas, the two brothers, the Z brothers who ran Los Cetas.

Speaker 3 And even though there's different leaders,

Speaker 3 The reality is those two brothers still ran it. See, in Mexico, this is how it works.

Speaker 3 If a cartel boss gets arrested and put in prison in Mexico, that doesn't change anything.

Speaker 3 What changes it is when they die or when they get into U.S. custody.
Once you're in U.S. custody, it's like being dead, right?

Speaker 3 So if a cartel boss wanted to kill me and had a hit on me and he gets arrested in Mexico, that doesn't do much, right? He's still the boss. But if he gets killed or he gets put into U.S.

Speaker 3 custody, then no one will do the hit. No one's going to do any favors for him anymore because he's considered gone.
Right.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 when Mexico handed those people over, that shocked me that they handed us this guy, Carl Cantero. I could not believe they did it.
That was a major gesture.

Speaker 3 But I promise you that that president would have had to have done that without informing members of her cabinet that she was doing that.

Speaker 3 You know, it would have had to been that kind of hush and secret. What she said was...

Speaker 2 She would have, you're saying she would have

Speaker 2 spoken, she would not have spoken to her cabinet.

Speaker 3 No, she couldn't have because some of them are, in fact,

Speaker 3 cartel. Yeah, and so she couldn't have.
And what, how she defended it was she said, I had intelligence that corrupt governors were going to get paid and release them. That's why I did it.

Speaker 3 Like she had to have an excuse for why she did it that way. But the fact that she gave us Carl Cantera is a really big deal.
The fact that she gave us the

Speaker 3 de facto heads of Loseta CDN, that's a huge deal.

Speaker 3 It's a really big deal, but it still diverts from the fact that El Mincho is protected.

Speaker 3 You know, who's the major driver of fentanyl in the United States? El Mincho. You know,

Speaker 3 he's...

Speaker 2 Would him put him in a category of other drug bosses or Al Capone or something that people in America can relate to?

Speaker 3 It would be hard. I don't think Al Capone ever had that much power power that El Mincho has.

Speaker 3 I don't think so.

Speaker 2 Al-Qaeda?

Speaker 2 Bin Laden?

Speaker 3 Probably more power than that. Definitely.
It would be

Speaker 3 kind of difficult to do that, Glanda.

Speaker 3 But just imagine

Speaker 3 a really bad guy. who doesn't mind pumping fentanyl into the United States, doesn't mind killing journalists, right? Does it all the time?

Speaker 3 Doesn't mind killing innocent people and burying them in mass graves if they get in his way.

Speaker 3 Who now has billions upon billions of dollars per year to play with, you know? You understand?

Speaker 3 That's, you know, who has the current Secretary of Defense as a close friend. You know, our sources say he's a compadre, right? Which means this isn't someone who...

Speaker 3 He talks to on occasion or has a business meeting with. This is someone they're talking once or twice a day about their days and what they're doing.
They're friends. They're close friends.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 2 do people in Mexico have a problem with that? They just keep it to themselves?

Speaker 3 I think most people do. You know, like you think about

Speaker 3 most of the people from Mexico you've met, if you've ever, I don't know what work you've done before radio and TV, but I would imagine you've probably, like most people, done some blue-collar work and probably.

Speaker 3 I got into radio when I was 13. Okay, so I was.

Speaker 2 I mean, look at at these hands. They're babies.
They're like babies.

Speaker 3 There's,

Speaker 3 you know,

Speaker 3 people, I think most places are decent people. Most people, most human beings are decent.

Speaker 3 Scripturally, are they decent? No, we're all awful and fallen. But on a human level, most people, they want to work.
They want to provide.

Speaker 2 They want

Speaker 2 to be left alone and raise their children.

Speaker 3 Most people, you know, they live their life and they're having fun and doing what they can. And then at the age that their parents start to pass away, they get real serious about life.

Speaker 3 And they're just, it's a human experience, right? All of us have these, these poor things, right? All of us live, all of us die. All of us lose parents or we die young.
Those are our choices, right?

Speaker 3 All of humanity. goes through that.
And I think everyone in Mexico does too. I think that the vast majority of people are very decent.

Speaker 3 But when the people in power, when there's such a few people with wealth, right? Like we don't have that here.

Speaker 3 Like people can say we do and they'll talk about Elon Musk or, yeah, there's a couple of people with so much money that it's, I can't even comprehend it.

Speaker 3 But for the most part, we have a thriving middle class, right?

Speaker 2 We have, you know, especially compared to places like Mexico.

Speaker 3 In real terms, right?

Speaker 2 Yeah, right.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I think, you know, when so few people have power and so few people have firearms, right? You got to remember in Mexico, you can't have, they're not like us.

Speaker 3 They don't, everyone doesn't get to have a firearm.

Speaker 3 Like we could say if some guys came up the street to take our women or take everyone with a certain last name and burn them and kill them, that we would, we wouldn't tolerate it.

Speaker 3 But imagine that you don't have firearms. And then imagine that you, you don't have 911 to call because if you call the police, like you're calling the guys coming up the street doing

Speaker 3 imagine that scenario, right? So when you say, do most, I think most people there have a problem with this, but what are they going to do? You know, what are they going to do?

Speaker 3 They're in a very difficult situation. And that's why, you know,

Speaker 3 there's things all over the world where there's injustice. There's things all over the world, even in our own country, but I'm talking about foreign and, you know, overseas.

Speaker 3 There's all types of horrible things happening.

Speaker 3 But for some reason,

Speaker 3 our neighbor, which affects us the most, right, with a 2,000-mile land border, right?

Speaker 3 Roughly 2,000 miles,

Speaker 2 like

Speaker 3 for some reason, like we don't mind intervening everywhere else in the world, but we don't,

Speaker 3 but not there.

Speaker 2 Why?

Speaker 3 I think I attribute a lot of it to, and you make people mad at me, but get mad. It's just what I think.
I think a lot of it is because of the way that

Speaker 3 we handle it, right? A lot of it is

Speaker 3 approaching it like California approaches crime, you know, approaching it a very left-of-center,

Speaker 3 liberal-leaning,

Speaker 3 ideal approach that doesn't acknowledge or accept the reality, right? So the U.S. government's big push in Mexico for last,

Speaker 3 I don't know, probably, let's see, do the math, maybe 12 to 15 years. The big push has been to reform their justice system, right?

Speaker 3 So, what they're trying to do is make Mexico have a justice system like ours, where there's discovery and you know your accusers, and which sounds great. But if you implement that

Speaker 3 when the cartels still control everything and you have to name the witnesses against a bad guy, what happens?

Speaker 3 But I'm saying that that is that is what we have

Speaker 3 that's what our state department has focused on with all of this other stuff happening that's what they've focused on like is it's almost like if someone you love is or say that god forbid you you or myself that we have a major tumor right like like in our lung

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 They come in and start going, hey, like,

Speaker 3 let's do a manicure and a pedicure. And let's,

Speaker 3 let's make sure that, let's work on the mobility in your ankles. And you're like, well, that's great that you're working on the mobility in my ankles.
But right now I have a tumor in my lung.

Speaker 3 That's the approach that we've taken. There's this refusal to acknowledge reality, right?

Speaker 2 So Trump doesn't seem shy. And again, I know one of the people that he appointed, he is not shy either.
So

Speaker 2 why haven't we really made made a move? Why hadn't there been any shock and awe, or should there? And what should we be doing?

Speaker 3 Well, okay. So this is where

Speaker 3 things,

Speaker 3 and you know this. I know that you know this.
I'm going to make an assumption that you know this because

Speaker 2 you

Speaker 3 two brush, you have relationships with people in these positions. So you have a little bit of how things work.

Speaker 3 Or like a lot like, and I don't want to be ugly, but like the way CPAC works, right?

Speaker 3 If CPAC

Speaker 3 is having a

Speaker 3 a panel on the border, okay?

Speaker 3 Who gets called to that panel? Like, do I get called to that panel?

Speaker 2 Probably not, right?

Speaker 3 Like, who gets called to that panel is

Speaker 3 which groups have the largest booths, right?

Speaker 2 Or you would be called to the panel.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 3 you get what I'm getting. I do.
And whoever has the largest groups, they decide who's going to be the speakers.

Speaker 3 And then four or five of the people on the panel call me and they're like, hey, tell me about this issue. What do I say?

Speaker 3 And I'm like, well, brother, like, like, you're the one who allowed yourself to be elevated to a position of leadership.

Speaker 3 Use Google. I don't know.
Like, I'll give you some talking points, but what am I, you know, like, all of you are asking me for the same thing. Like, I can't.

Speaker 3 And I think that's what happens in, it happens in media. I think it happens in bureaucracy in general, but it for sure happens in government, right?

Speaker 3 Where the people

Speaker 2 who,

Speaker 3 I guess, the people who oftentimes make the decisions or the people who are are the advisors maybe are not the ones who should be right now this administration i think is different like if i look at the fbi i love

Speaker 3 what he's done with the leadership and and dan bongino i'm gonna be honest with you i'm a fan i'm a huge fan

Speaker 3 and um you know i i i look at with terrorism and i look at um

Speaker 3 the the just the folks he's appointed across the board these are people I know or I have either watched for years, some of them I known for years, and they're good people and they're serious people who

Speaker 3 they might not know everything about cartels, but

Speaker 3 they know where to reach. They know where to look.
They know whose work to look at and who to ask questions upon. But you got to remember, we're very soon into this, right?

Speaker 3 Like we, these guys are still sorting this out.

Speaker 3 We're not far enough into this. I think the first administration, Trump 1.0,

Speaker 3 I think that he tried to bring as many of, and I hate to use that term, but I'm going to, like swamp creatures in to make peace. Kind of like

Speaker 2 I don't think he understood.

Speaker 3 He didn't know what that

Speaker 2 works. I mean,

Speaker 2 he's said that many times. He does now.

Speaker 3 I think he has a pretty clear idea of how they tried to.

Speaker 2 How deep in our government

Speaker 2 is the infection

Speaker 3 well, this is where it gets tricky too, is because now we get into border politicians, right?

Speaker 3 We get into like, why does the state of Texas have a specific task force along the U.S.-Mexico border to deal with public corruption, right? Why? Because there's public corruption.

Speaker 3 So if you have political leaders along the border, And those political leaders along the border have relationships in Mexico and have, you know, with Mexico's major political parties being diplomatic, right?

Speaker 3 Even if they don't realize it, if those political parties,

Speaker 3 like we talked about Allende, we talked about Coila and the mass graves and the burning of 500 summoned people in Allende, right?

Speaker 3 So the governor who allowed that to happen didn't go to the UN about it, right? He allowed it. That governor left there and then became the head of a major political party in Mexico, right?

Speaker 2 PRI.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so what do U.S. politicians do? Is they try to engage engage in diplomacy

Speaker 3 and get along with Mexico's major political parties, right?

Speaker 3 So that's a mechanism by which those criminal organizations, those paramilitary, now some of them, many of them are considered foreign terrorist organizations.

Speaker 3 That's the mechanism by which they influence U.S. policies, right? And U.S.
politics.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I think most of the U.S. politicians who are doing the bidding of these cartels, I don't think they think of it that way.
They're not like getting an envelope full of cash under the table.

Speaker 3 Probably some along the border are.

Speaker 3 Some of them have recently been indicted for envelopes full of cash, even though they

Speaker 3 defend themselves and say, well, I'm not corrupt. It's like, well, we'll see.

Speaker 3 I think you might be.

Speaker 3 Because we hear that stuff. I mean, obviously, you know this, how this works.

Speaker 3 it's why that people like you and i can sometimes have a disadvantage over everyone on social media right because they can they can hear a rumor and they can report it they can report the rumor on their twitter account right or x account whatever it's called i still call it twitter i'm gonna i say twitter x or whatever but they can report it on their twitter account i can't right i have to I have to fact check it.

Speaker 3 I have to develop other sources and I have to make sure it's true. Because

Speaker 3 if I say that and it's not true, I'm getting sued.

Speaker 3 And then my insurance goes up and then the marketability of this, which is already a difficult thing to market because, and you probably know this as well, advertisers don't like their ad on a story that has pictures of dead bodies.

Speaker 3 They don't like it.

Speaker 2 Well, it's hard to think of, you know.

Speaker 3 But so what do you do?

Speaker 3 So what you do is you do what Bridebart is, where you open a news foundation.

Speaker 3 We go to a nonprofit model like for this particular vein of stories, because we're publishing these horrendous photos that everyone gets mad at us for publishing.

Speaker 3 And we're not making money off the photos, you know, it's just we're trying to show the world.

Speaker 3 Okay, in Syria, when the U.S. government and I think the intelligence community was really pounding the drum through our mainstream media outlets that we needed to be involved in Syria, right?

Speaker 3 We needed to arm these al-Qaeda groups in Syria to be our friends.

Speaker 3 There was this image of this, I believe it was a little boy, a little child who was on a shore, right? Like, remember that? Do you remember the dead body?

Speaker 3 And it was all over Twitter and it was all over CNN and it was all over the Washington Post and it was all over all of the outlets who intelligence communities like to leak to.

Speaker 3 And so I had a picture of a little migrant child who, again, it was the back of the migrant child. dead in this river.
Godfrey, it's horrible. And I published it.
I said, well, why is that?

Speaker 3 Why does that bother you so much? Why are you willing to go to war?

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 Because you see the image of this dead child in Syria, but not when you see the image of this dead Mexican child or Honduran child on our border. Right.

Speaker 3 And I got kicked off Twitter for it. I got banned for a while because I published this image.

Speaker 2 And oh, this is, yeah, okay, gotcha. Yeah, this is pre-Musk.

Speaker 3 Pre-Musk.

Speaker 3 And they were like, you have to delete it or we're not going to let you get back on Twitter,

Speaker 3 And I said, but this isn't fair. And like, well, that's the rules.
I'm like, but you're allowing this issue.

Speaker 3 You have a different set of rules for that war than you have for the war on our border, the Mexico drug war. You have a different set of rules.

Speaker 3 I'm like, well, you can debate that, but you're not getting back on Twitter if you don't delete that. So ultimately, you delete it.
You say what happened, you know, and,

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Speaker 2 So you've put together a whole team of journalists. How many journalists are working with you now? Oh,

Speaker 3 I think

Speaker 3 have

Speaker 3 maybe 17 who work on the Cartel Chronicles, like routinely, the ones who have

Speaker 3 the ones who are signed on with us and who routinely contribute.

Speaker 2 What's their life like? What are they risking?

Speaker 3 That's what people say. People say, well, are you safe?

Speaker 3 Sometimes people are like, you have so much courage. I'm like, no, I don't.
I really don't. Like, I have guns, you know, I have guns and skills.
And

Speaker 3 I live in West Texas, right? I live in rural West Texas where I feel pretty safe.

Speaker 3 But these people, like we talked about earlier, listen to this. They don't have firearms, right?

Speaker 3 They can't call 911

Speaker 3 because the local police are, in fact, working with the cartels, right? The cartel who controls their territory. Yet.
They write for us every day. They send us reports.

Speaker 3 We publish under a pseudonym, right?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 imagine that. They go to bed at night.
They have no mechanism to defend themselves. That's courage, right?

Speaker 3 That's the courage in this equation. It's not us, it's them.
And that's what their lives are like. And some of them are actually work for mainstream

Speaker 3 news organizations whose names you would know.

Speaker 3 But they're not allowed to write what they want to write because they get killed or their editors would get killed, right? So they instead publish under pseudonyms.

Speaker 2 How can I help you get the word out on this?

Speaker 3 This right here. This is great.
Just, just, this is great. I'd appreciate it.

Speaker 3 Look at our work. You know,

Speaker 3 what I do and my team does.

Speaker 2 Just go to breitbart.com.

Speaker 3 Breitbart.com slash border. Border.

Speaker 3 My Twitter is a great way. Like I send everything out.
Brandon Darby, by the way. Yes, sir.
And just to care. Pray about it.
Pray about it. Make sure that you're informed.

Speaker 3 And when you talk to whomever you know in the administration, or when you talk to, if someone listening goes to a town hall event with a local political leader, ask them to ask them about it.

Speaker 3 Don't do gotcha because they might not know,

Speaker 3 but ask, tell them this matters to you.

Speaker 2 Do you think we solve this?

Speaker 3 I think we can.

Speaker 3 Can we solve it?

Speaker 3 I think we can do a lot.

Speaker 3 In Mexico, there tends to be this interesting double standard, right? With logic, double logic.

Speaker 3 When it comes to their drug war, they blame the United States supply for their demand for firearms, right? You know?

Speaker 3 And when it comes to drugs, they don't blame these ruthless drug dealers for

Speaker 3 the drug war. They blame

Speaker 3 the weakest, most

Speaker 3 mentally health challenged people in our country,

Speaker 3 they blame them for their need, for the demand, right? So on one hand, they blame the demand, and on the other hand, they turn around, and when it benefits them, they blame the supply, right?

Speaker 3 You know?

Speaker 3 So I kind of take a middle ground on that, and I say, well,

Speaker 3 sometimes the supply promotes demand, right?

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 yes, demand has to be there for the supply to function as well, right? So it's both. Do I think we can get to a place

Speaker 3 where we have fewer people dying of fentanyl, a lot fewer people dying of fentanyl in this country? Yeah, I do. Do I think we can get to a place where

Speaker 3 any time

Speaker 3 someone raises their head and starts trying to be a big shot in Mexico

Speaker 3 in supplying that fentanyl or drugs to our country that they die and they know not to do it, I think we can. But I think

Speaker 3 it's going to take the Trump administration really ramping it up, and they are ramping it up, but ramping it up more quickly than they are.

Speaker 3 They're going to have to, because what do we have?

Speaker 3 How long do we have till midterms like right now?

Speaker 2 A year.

Speaker 3 A year.

Speaker 3 And so they're going to need to really accomplish the bulk of things in this next year because we don't know what Americans are going to choose at that point and how difficult things might become should we say to Mexico

Speaker 2 our State Department is going to say what we did in Cuba sorry no no travel to Cuba no travel to Mexico well okay so this is where things get really tricky is

Speaker 3 in a way we can we can do that with Mexico we can play hardball

Speaker 3 But you have to remember that China is courting Mexico.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 when Mexico's nationwide telecommunications,

Speaker 3 it wasn't a U.S. company who got the contract.
It was Huawei. It's China.
China would love to have a proxy on our border.

Speaker 3 So we have to balance that.

Speaker 3 So what I advocate is just to consistently use the intelligence community to get these people. Get them, take them out.
Doesn't even have to really risk U.S. life because we can get...

Speaker 3 There are plenty of people in Mexico, even if the Secretary of Defense is unwilling to get Mincho.

Speaker 3 There are plenty of people in Mexico who are willing to, you understand this?

Speaker 3 And I suggest that that's what we do. I suggest we treat them like we're dealing with al-Qaeda.

Speaker 3 Not the entire country, right?

Speaker 3 But when it comes to these people,

Speaker 2 we have the intelligence.

Speaker 3 A hundred percent. I know for a fact that we do.

Speaker 3 You know, one of the weirdest things about being in my position is that about half of the information I come across, I make public, but half of it is, there's really no public.

Speaker 3 I'm going to ruin someone's investigation, right? Like if someone says, oh, this cartel boss is going to be here, is supposed to be here on this date, according to one of his bodyguards, right?

Speaker 3 Well, what am I going to do with that? What I'm going to do with that is I'm going to share it with people. I'm going to share it with law enforcement.
I'm going to say, hey,

Speaker 3 you don't become me in this position and not have some

Speaker 3 friendly relations with people in different agencies, Border Patrol, like CBP, like, you know, all of the agencies. There's someone I know or can talk to.
And I'm very open about that.

Speaker 3 Like if about half the information, maybe a little less than half, there's no public value. in sharing that

Speaker 3 the head of this particular cartel is going to be here in a week. But there is value in sharing that with law enforcement.
And that's what I'll do. Like, I have no qualms about that.

Speaker 2 Have they ever come to you? The United States ever come to you and said, hey,

Speaker 2 can we get briefed? Can you talk to us confidently?

Speaker 3 All the time. All the time.
All the time.

Speaker 2 Under the last administration, too?

Speaker 2 Really? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Remember, so my history and all this started, and nowadays it's a bad thing to bring up.
But at the time, I was very proud of what I'd done.

Speaker 3 Many, many years ago, like in 2007 and 8 and 9, I had worked undercover as an operational source with the FBI in far-left circles, right?

Speaker 3 I had come from that community of people

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 I had worked undercover with them in that capacity. I worked on issues with Palestinian issues, right? Like people who are trying to hurt Israelis, people who are trying to hurt Americans.

Speaker 3 I was very proud of it. And what happened was

Speaker 3 when

Speaker 3 these people tried to to firebomb the 2007, 2008 RNC, Republican National Convention.

Speaker 3 And I got to play a small role in stopping that. But I was testifying.
And when my name came out, the New York Times, you know, NPR, this American lie, I mean,

Speaker 3 I was so attacked

Speaker 3 for having helped the government against the peace community. The story wasn't that the peace, these far-left groups spawned bomb plots.
The story was that somebody betrayed their trust or something.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 that's how I was found by Andrew Breitbart. That's how he found me is he got a hold of me through some circuitous way and said, hey, thanks for what you did.

Speaker 3 Can you come and work with me and tell your story? And I was like, sure. And I did.
That's how I got into this. So you don't, you know, you have relationships of people you can talk to.

Speaker 3 And I know nowadays that's considered bad. They're like, wait, what? And I say, I was very proud of that.

Speaker 3 You know, my mother was very god rest her soul she was proud of what i was doing it was just that like all the folks in media seemed to hate me and and then when i when i'm telling something that makes everybody else uncomfortable i know this and and i know that you know what this feels like uh but at the time in that you know 2007 2008 2009

Speaker 3 there

Speaker 3 you know social media was just growing and

Speaker 3 and if the media were attacking you and they weren't reporting your comments back,

Speaker 3 you had no voice. And then, you know, Andrew's doing his thing, you're doing your thing.

Speaker 3 Like everybody's doing their thing and starting to build this movement, even though some of us are so different and there's all types of, you know, human calamities that happen in that process.

Speaker 3 But that's what we've done is we've basically,

Speaker 3 all together, we've built this, and you take a leadership role in that, building this entire movement where the other side of America has a voice too. Yeah.

Speaker 3 You know, where CNN and the New York Times and whoever can attack this law enforcement officer for using force.

Speaker 2 But so is that what you're doing really on this? Is

Speaker 2 taking these journalists and making sure they have a voice.

Speaker 3 That's all it is. I got, Glenn, I used to focus on the far left, right? And that's what I would focus on.
And media is biased toward them, right? Like kind of the Chardonnay sipping

Speaker 3 revolutionaries who would support their more radical counterparts and all that. And at some point, I said to myself, I said, you know, this is the right thing to do.
What I'm doing is good.

Speaker 3 But it's also, it also satiates that part of me that wants revenge because these people wronged me so badly. And I don't want to live in that.

Speaker 3 You know, like, I don't want to feel, I don't want to live like that. Yeah.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 I was running a shelter at the time. for human trafficking victims.
And I began to realize that a lot of of the people who were coming to the shelter,

Speaker 3 there were people who were ultimately going to testify against groups.

Speaker 3 And I'm like, well, why are they testifying against these low-level guys when there are these guys in Mexico who are the bosses and nothing's happening to them, right?

Speaker 3 That's how this all started. And so

Speaker 3 when I started the border project, I was just trying to comprehend, like, how is this possible that there are these people in Mexico?

Speaker 3 who are behind all these awful things and they get away with it, right? Like, why don't we do something? That's how this started. So,

Speaker 3 this thing, this bringing a voice,

Speaker 3 it turns out it's in Americans' best interest that people in Mexico have a voice, right? These affected communities. But

Speaker 3 it's also in their best interest that they have a voice. It's everyone's best interest that there's more voice.

Speaker 2 Except for the cartels and those on the tape.

Speaker 3 Right, right. But let's be real.
Like, they're not.

Speaker 2 I'm Brandon.

Speaker 3 I have relationships, right?

Speaker 3 Some small degree of

Speaker 3 attention and notoriety on what I do. You have a much larger degree.

Speaker 3 They're not going to kill you. They can't.
They would be decimated, destroyed.

Speaker 3 You can talk back. You can say something about them.
But the people there, like we just talked about, they can't.

Speaker 3 They need people like me and ultimately people, more importantly, people like you

Speaker 3 to be that voice.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 2 this is something

Speaker 2 I felt passionately about for a long time and

Speaker 2 what happened on the border in the last five years

Speaker 2 for people not to understand

Speaker 2 how

Speaker 2 evil that was.

Speaker 2 And we just threw money and opportunity, not to the people of Mexico,

Speaker 2 money and opportunity to all of these cartels. And I don't know what the right thing to do is, but I hope we just wipe them from the face of the earth.
I mean,

Speaker 2 set Mexico free. There's no reason.
You know, we're on the same continent. There's absolutely no reason we live this way and they live that way if it had natural resources and everything else.

Speaker 2 It's just corruption. And unfortunately, we were headed in that direction deeply, but deeply.
But,

Speaker 2 gosh, we have an opportunity to help and to help ourselves too. I mean,

Speaker 3 everyone's like everyone's best interest.

Speaker 3 Except for those, except for cartels. And that's fine, but

Speaker 3 it's in Americans' best interests.

Speaker 3 It's in Mexicans' best interests. It's in the whole world's best interest.

Speaker 2 And it's in the best interest of that guy you talked about that is sitting on the border. He doesn't have a job.
He just doesn't want his sisters to be raped. It's in his best interest, too.

Speaker 2 He's not too far gone yet.

Speaker 3 Mexico is full of beautiful people and it's full of resources.

Speaker 3 They could have

Speaker 3 a really good situation, right?

Speaker 3 They could have an economy that blessed everyone there, right? And I don't mean that in a socialist way. I just mean that

Speaker 3 you get it.

Speaker 3 They could have a really good situation, but they need a little help. And the people in charge there

Speaker 3 are in a situation where they're preventing that help, right?

Speaker 3 We can't treat Mexico. We're not dealing with Canada.
We're not dealing with the United Kingdom. We're not dealing with France.

Speaker 3 We're dealing with a failing,

Speaker 3 it's not failed yet, but it's considered a fragile narco-state. That is what we're dealing with.

Speaker 3 And if we continue to try to deal with them like we're dealing with France or the UK, we're not going to have success. We have to treat them like a fragile narco-state.

Speaker 3 We have to deal deal with them accordingly

Speaker 3 as we treat other narco- or terrorist-run straits. Now

Speaker 3 it is technically considered a terrorist run.

Speaker 3 Carto Alisco CJNG has a lot of power. They have control.
They have relationships with the current Secretary of Defense.

Speaker 3 Now he's a foreign terrorist. His organization is a foreign terror organization.

Speaker 2 Which means we no longer have to tell the Secretary of Mexico's defense.

Speaker 3 What did we do with Osama bin Laden? Did we inform all of and go through all of the

Speaker 3 channels to take Osama? Of course we didn't because they were protecting him. Yes.
And that's, I think, where we are with Mexico.

Speaker 2 Thank you for everything that you're doing. Please stay safe and stay close to God.
It is.

Speaker 2 You need all the divine protection and everybody around you needed it well. But

Speaker 2 i think you're the only one that i have met in my entire career that takes this truly seriously and has dedicated their life to it so thank you thank you claire appreciate it

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