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Speaker 1 Again, every day I say, I'm not going to start with a tariff thing, but I have to start with a tariff thing because something big happened yesterday, and it's good.

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Speaker 1 Let's see here. There's a couple of things here.
Yesterday,

Speaker 1 the president came out and said, yeah, the tariff thing.

Speaker 1 We're going to hold off on that. I mean, he didn't exactly say it that way, but...
I mean,

Speaker 1 in many ways,

Speaker 1 he did. He said,

Speaker 1 we're going to have another 90-day holding period for the tariffs, not all of the tariffs.

Speaker 1 And I'm going to double down on China because they are the real target of the United States of being a problem.

Speaker 1 And he said, I'm going to work with every country that has reached out to us. He said, we know who they are.

Speaker 1 If you didn't reach out to the United States, if you were going to play war games with us, well, stand in line.

Speaker 1 We're not going to necessarily

Speaker 1 help you out. But everybody else, and he says, you know, majority of the countries are all like, let's deal.
He said, so we want to do that.

Speaker 1 So we're going to take 90 days and deal with the people who have come to the table and said, let's deal.

Speaker 1 That's a really good thing, I think.

Speaker 1 I think that's

Speaker 1 kind of a positive for all of us.

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 what happened? Is this planned? Was this not planned?

Speaker 1 I don't think Trump,

Speaker 1 I mean, Trump is the kind of guy where he he lays things out. Well, let me take here.

Speaker 1 Let's explain the art of the deal. Okay.
If you've read the art of the deal with Donald Trump, you know this. If you haven't read it, let me remind you.
What is his negotiation playbook?

Speaker 1 It's start with an extreme position,

Speaker 1 then create leverage because you're so unpredictable. Use a bold promise to shape the perception.

Speaker 1 Never back down publicly when you're compromising behind closed doors.

Speaker 1 That's the art of the deal. Okay.

Speaker 1 It's less about policy details and more about winning through psychology, persistence, showmanship, tactics that he's applied from real estate to politics for decades.

Speaker 1 And people miss it because they're focusing on the noise, not the pattern. He's the ultimate Overton window guy.
Just say Stu?

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think that's

Speaker 2 fair.

Speaker 1 Generally, yeah. It's like in the Middle East, you know, hey, you know what? I'm going to build a big, beautiful resort there in Gaza.
No one was saying that. What did he do?

Speaker 1 He moved the Overton window so far over, he completely changes the conversation.

Speaker 2 And much of that is just, it's embarrassing that the media falls for it every time.

Speaker 1 It really is. But you know what? He wrote a book about how he negotiates.
Yep. And nobody pays attention.

Speaker 2 Yes, I read it when I was like 12. Yeah.

Speaker 2 As the biggest nerd in the world.

Speaker 1 Right.

Speaker 1 You know, and when you look at what he did with China yesterday, he's like, and

Speaker 1 any other country that was hitting back,

Speaker 1 what is the first thing you knew before he even came down the escalator, but especially after he came down the escalator, everybody who stood against him, what is the first thing you learned on both the Republican side, Democratic side, what's the first thing you learn about punching Donald Trump?

Speaker 2 He doesn't like it and he'll punch back.

Speaker 1 He punches back twice as hard,

Speaker 1 right?

Speaker 1 So when you're negotiating with Donald Trump,

Speaker 1 you shouldn't punch him because his style is to punch back twice as hard, China. I'm talking to you.

Speaker 1 Bad idea.

Speaker 2 Bad idea. I mean, you know, look,

Speaker 2 they are going to, I mean, it's the Chinese Communist Party.

Speaker 1 They literally lived through the Mao era and killed 60 million of their own people to hold alive.

Speaker 1 And you know what? I don't have a problem if those are the people we're pissing off in the world. I know.
I'm fine with that.

Speaker 2 And of course, I think both of us would have been much more on the bandwagon with this generalized policy if this is what we did from the beginning, right? If we did

Speaker 2 a strong move on China, that would have been a lot. Even that's a lot.
We get a lot.

Speaker 2 What is it? 9% of our international trade comes from them. That's already a big move.

Speaker 2 So if it was just that, I think it would have been easier to swallow for the markets and easier to swallow for people who, generally speaking, don't love this policy.

Speaker 1 So was it Besson yesterday that said... This is Donald Trump's plan from the beginning.
And he comes out and he's like... No, everybody was freaking out.
Yes.

Speaker 2 Trump himself said it wasn't the plan. I can't play every single person I talked to yesterday, like, oh, this is part of the plan.

Speaker 1 Trump

Speaker 1 himself said it wasn't the plan. Exactly.
And that's okay. Exactly.

Speaker 2 It's a smart thing to do for

Speaker 2 it. To adjust to circumstances.
Yes. Right.
Like, that's it.

Speaker 1 That's what you hope someone is going to do.

Speaker 2 Exactly. You want someone to take it seriously.
And like, he can, you know, it's always been part of the plan to take on China very directly and very strongly. He

Speaker 2 has done that. I don't think he needed to do this other stuff to do that.

Speaker 2 But if that's where this lands, that is a policy that most, even people who believe in the strongest version of free trade you can imagine are fine with taking on China, who absolutely is doing things that are against that concept.

Speaker 1 And here's the thing that Americans don't understand.

Speaker 1 Americans have, for

Speaker 1 85 years,

Speaker 1 have are used to a president when dealing with the rest of the world to walk in with carrots. Yes.
I want to show you all these carrots. Look at all these carrots you can eat.

Speaker 1 Would you like some carrots? Let me give you a couple of carrots, okay?

Speaker 1 Donald Trump knows that because we always walk in with pockets full of carrots, everybody wants the carrots and no, we're suckers.

Speaker 1 We're like, you know, we're, we're like, you know, grandpas with those butterscotch candies, you know, just ask grandpa, he'll give you one. Okay.
That's the way we behave.

Speaker 1 It's all carrots all the time. Yeah.
So we expect our president to do that. When you're changing the world,

Speaker 1 you have to show the world.

Speaker 1 No,

Speaker 1 I'm dead serious. I'm absolutely dead serious.
You have to mean what you say and say what you mean. This is negotiation 101.

Speaker 1 Say what you mean, mean what you say, because some people just can't break off enough barnacles to go, well, he means that.

Speaker 1 Everybody thinks, I was just talking to some, who was that I was talking to yesterday, I think. I was talking to somebody and they said, you know, I was negotiating a deal.

Speaker 1 And after I negotiated this deal, these people came to me and said, you really, I mean, you really did a great job on that deal, huh? And he was like, well, what do you mean?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, the way you played played them. And he's like, I wasn't playing them.
I just said, this is the way it's going to be.

Speaker 1 And they might have thought I was playing a game, but I was just telling him this is, you know, I learned this really early.

Speaker 1 Don't make threats. Make promises.

Speaker 2 You've told me that for 20 something years.

Speaker 1 Right. Make promises.

Speaker 2 It's the best possible advice you can have in a negotiation.

Speaker 1 Exactly right.

Speaker 2 Because even if they don't come to whatever

Speaker 2 you might be looking for or hoping for, you've already made the decision that the other thing is okay and you're totally comfortable.

Speaker 1 Totally comfortable.

Speaker 2 So you don't come in and say, oh, well, I'm not going to, if you don't give me this, I'm not going to do this when you don't want to do that other thing.

Speaker 2 You have to be comfortable with that other thing before you come with that.

Speaker 1 Because they may say, they may honestly come to the decision, well, I don't want that at that price. Okay.
And then you can't go back and go, okay, well, I didn't mean it. Right.
No.

Speaker 1 And you have to be comfortable with that.

Speaker 1 And sometimes, you know, in the president's case, talking sticks and carrots, when you are are trying to change the entire world and the world is used to the president walking in with some, you know, butterscotch candy for everybody and a pocket full of carrots, you got to walk in and go, nope, none of this, none of this.

Speaker 1 And they'll say they're bluffing. No, I'm not.
Yeah, he is. No, he's, no, no, no, I'm not.
I'm telling you right now, you want tariffs? I'll show you tariffs. We're going to start with 10%.

Speaker 1 Okay. I just want to get everybody used to 10%

Speaker 1 because uh you don't negotiate now it's going to get really ugly and you know what i love tariffs i love tariffs my favorite word in the whole world i love tariffs he's not bluffing he really does that yeah he does okay he loves tariffs so tariffs you could argue back and forth well he'll never do it because it's really bad for america blah blah blah no No, he doesn't think so.

Speaker 1 He's not bluffing.

Speaker 1 And so when the rest of the world goes well he's just playing a game no donald trump doesn't play that game he doesn't play that game and so what's happening now is he's put the world on notice oh yeah i'm just crazy enough to do the damn thing you don't think it works i still think it works so you want to go back there go ahead let's go back there because i don't mind and It is a very, very risky game, but he's not playing one.

Speaker 1 The people who are playing the game are the people that are on the other side of the table thinking he's playing a game. The only ones that I don't think are playing a game is China.

Speaker 1 The United States and China, I think, are both saying the truth.

Speaker 2 Europe, I mean, you saw, because they didn't, what's funny about this, they did respond. Yeah, they did.
And then they've now backed down as well. They said, okay, you're going to pause for 90 days.

Speaker 2 We'll pause for 90 days.

Speaker 2 And Trump did not do to Europe what he's doing to China, which I think sends a pretty clear message that, like, what he's really focused on here is China. Yeah.

Speaker 2 You know,

Speaker 2 I still don't fully understand the goal of all this because what you're saying is, oh, well, he'll get them to back down and we'll come make a deal. Well, what's the deal we're looking for?

Speaker 2 Is the deal we're looking for to return manufacturing jobs or to get lower tariff rates and better, easier trade?

Speaker 1 I think, honestly,

Speaker 1 he wants tariffs to return jobs to America, okay? Okay.

Speaker 1 Which is going to take a very long time,

Speaker 1 would take more time than he has in office.

Speaker 2 Certainly. And also has not been a sick, hasn't had a good track record of success, that policy.
Right. Generally.

Speaker 1 But he is bringing jobs back to America. They are investing back in America, but not necessarily because of the last couple of weeks.
Right.

Speaker 1 But because of the things that he has said, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 2 He's doing a lot of things that are really good for

Speaker 2 this. And they're not really getting the headlines, right?

Speaker 1 So

Speaker 1 he is wanting the jobs to come back. But in the end, Donald Trump is pragmatic.
In the end, he might want what he wants, but he's not going to let that stand in the way of, that's a good deal.

Speaker 1 That's the best deal I could get for America. I'm taking that deal.

Speaker 1 He just wants the best deal he can get. And the way he does, I mean, look at his pattern.
I don't understand how everybody freaks out all the time.

Speaker 1 And you know what, Stu, I said to you yesterday, I'm kind of freaked out because I'm not freaked out. But maybe I'm not freaked out because look how it's turning out.

Speaker 1 I told you at the beginning of the week and last week, the guy knows his entire presidency hangs in the balance if this goes down the crapper.

Speaker 1 And everybody thinks he'll just flush it down the crapper. He's not suicidal.

Speaker 2 Yeah. I don't think he'll do that.

Speaker 1 Right. He won't.

Speaker 1 Trust this. Anybody who doesn't like Donald Trump, you will tell me all the time, this is the biggest ego of all time.
He's out of control ego. Okay, then use that as your hope.

Speaker 1 He's not going to go down as the worst president that destroyed the economy and made us into a third world country. He won't do it.

Speaker 1 Just because of his ego, he's like, I'm not going to go down as that. Who would want to go down with that?

Speaker 1 But if you don't like him because of his ego, use that as your hope because that, I think, is what happened yesterday, not his ego.

Speaker 1 He just knew he's watching all the trend lines and going, this is not going to work out well if I play, if I continue to play this this way for very much longer.

Speaker 1 So let's change tactics, which is something you want your company or your CEO or your president to do. Don't go into it blindly.
You go in and say, watch all the trend lines here.

Speaker 1 If it starts going the other way, we need to pivot as soon as we can.

Speaker 2 And that was another reason to not panic because this was not something that couldn't be reversed. This is not the housing crisis, right? Like we're, oh my gosh, everything's happening.

Speaker 2 That's terrible.

Speaker 2 How do we reverse this? The reversal was obvious, right?

Speaker 2 Even when tweets came out with people with a rumor of a 90-day pause, the markets turned around. Correct.
Everyone knows exactly why all of this happened. Yeah.

Speaker 1 Look at what happened yesterday. Isn't it the best day in the stock market?

Speaker 2 Since 2008.

Speaker 1 Since 2008.

Speaker 2 You might not remember 2008 all that positively. These big ups and downs in a day are not necessarily good things to have.
Correct.

Speaker 1 That was a fundamental problem.

Speaker 2 2008.

Speaker 1 This is not. This is not.
This is, I can turn this valve off at any time. Exactly.

Speaker 2 And I don't think he's going to sink his own, his whole presidency. Of course he's not.
Panic, first of all, does you no good. You can't control it.

Speaker 2 This is not under your control. I mean,

Speaker 2 to the extent of, you know, I went up buying the dip.

Speaker 1 Good for you.

Speaker 2 And that's.

Speaker 1 Good for you. I almost said that.
You did say that. I almost said that yesterday.
You know, now's the time to buy. Yeah.
And as it turned out, yes, it was. Yeah.

Speaker 1 And then or not get out in the first place.

Speaker 2 I'll surely sell it at the wrong time and still lose money.

Speaker 2 But the point is that there's no reason.

Speaker 2 We're not in that mode right now. Donald Trump is doing a lot of things that are helping the economy that I think so far

Speaker 2 people are not focusing on. He has a lot more planned that will help the economy.
As you know, I think these tariffs are not a positive for our economy.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 if what we're doing is a focused strategy on one country that is blatantly our adversary, that is blatantly ripping us off over over and over again.

Speaker 2 That is something that is, I don't even think, particularly controversial. I think a lot of people on the left want that to happen.
And I know a lot of people on the right want it to happen.

Speaker 2 So that is an approach that if that's where this lands, I don't think it's going to be

Speaker 2 the story of his presidency.

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Speaker 1 So yesterday, Trump did hit China with 125% tariff.

Speaker 1 You know, the one thing that people don't understand, and there is a great story, and if I have time, I can get into a little bit of it, but it's on Blaze, theblaze.com. It's by Orrin McIntyre.

Speaker 1 And it's called The President's Plan to Restore American Manufacturing, Nostalgia, and Trump Wants America to be ready. Okay, find it at the Blaze.com.
But here's what he goes into.

Speaker 1 He talks about the walkie-talkies that Israel disrupted in the supply line.

Speaker 1 They went in, they found a way into the supply line, put bombs in those walkie-talkies and those beepers, and then they were delivered. And nobody in the supply chain knew that Israel had done that.

Speaker 1 And it blew up. And

Speaker 1 it really

Speaker 1 really wasn't good.

Speaker 1 You know, we are in a house of cards. Look at what happened with China with COVID.
We realized we don't make masks.

Speaker 1 We don't have, wait, we don't have ventilator. We don't what?

Speaker 1 And we didn't make anything. That's a problem.
So Donald Trump is saying enough is enough here. We have to bring manufacturing back to the country.

Speaker 1 And he talks about Leonard Reed's essay, iPencil, you know, the one that shows how the whole globe, it takes a whole globe and capitalism to make a pencil, and it's true.

Speaker 1 But he's also saying you cannot let the entire world just for security reasons, you can no longer let the entire world make everything.

Speaker 1 You have to have some things that you can make yourself in case of an emergency. And medicine is one of those things.

Speaker 1 And that's one of the reasons why we've got to get off the teat of China. They have most of the world's reserves because they're just going around the country and just getting it all.

Speaker 1 The rare earth minerals, it's why we must get our own rare earth minerals. And we need people like Greenland to let us buy their rare earth minerals.
Greenland's not making chips. We are.
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The president's tariff pause.

Speaker 1 What does he think? I know he was involved in the decision. I'm pretty sure he was involved in the decision yesterday.

Speaker 1 The one, the only good friend of the program, Stephen Moore,

Speaker 1 the founder of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity.

Speaker 1 Boy, it has been a...

Speaker 1 It's been a scary few days,

Speaker 1 Stephen. The president, you know, he is a great great negotiator because he just doesn't blink.

Speaker 1 Some people will say he blinked yesterday. I think he just,

Speaker 1 you know, he's smart. He's not suicidal.
He's just reevaluating things and

Speaker 1 doing what, Stephen?

Speaker 5 Well, good morning, Glad.

Speaker 5 You know, look, Trump, one thing I've learned from Donald Trump, having worked with him for the last eight years or so off and on, is he oftentimes the guy is crazy like a fox.

Speaker 5 he really is yeah and so sometimes these two or three moves on the chessboard out of everybody else and so i don't i don't know if calling this a retreat uh no i don't think that's a right way to describe it no i don't think so but i'm you'll hear the media saying that yeah the media is saying that you know and i what i'm saying is and maybe it is a retreat but maybe this was part of the plan all along i mean in terms of uh you know trying to get these countries to come to the table negotiate and look when you know me i'm i'm more of a free trade guy than Trump is, and I'm not a big fan of tariffs.

Speaker 5 But if he can pull this off,

Speaker 5 and this would be a maestro if he could do it, then all of a sudden you get fairer and freer.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 1 you're breaking up.

Speaker 5 Basically, agree to play at a level playing field. And so,

Speaker 5 and the other thing that Trump is doing, and I think this is masterful, and I agree with him wholeheartedly on this, look, there is one major villain in the world today, and that is China.

Speaker 5 And, you know, you've been on the story a long time. I'm glad as long as I've known you.
I mean, China is,

Speaker 5 in my opinion, I don't know if you agree with me on this, they are like Japan circa 1937. Oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 They really are.

Speaker 1 Big time.

Speaker 1 Japan told us what they were going to do in like 1937. Exactly.
They told us.

Speaker 1 China is now, too. They're doing the same thing.
Yes. Exactly.

Speaker 5 And we're not listening. Right.
And so, you know, and what Trump is basically doing is, and this is a big moment for the, you know, the world economy and for world peace.

Speaker 5 Trump is saying to these other countries in the world, you've got to make a choice. Are you with us or are you with China? And I don't even know.
These Europeans are so stupid.

Speaker 5 You know, they were saying a couple of weeks ago, maybe we'll just trade with China and stop trading with the United States. Now, that would be a catastrophically bad decision.

Speaker 5 But the whole idea here, or as I see it, maybe I have, you know, I'm not in Donald Trump's mind, so

Speaker 5 sometimes he sees it way beyond what I do. But I think what he wants to do is

Speaker 5 basically decouple

Speaker 4 economy.

Speaker 1 You're breaking up. Stephen, you there? What did you just say? Can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you now.
What did you just say?

Speaker 5 Okay, sorry. I was saying that I think he wants to decouple.
This is Trump's decent plan. He wants to decouple the world economy.

Speaker 1 Yes, from China.

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Speaker 1 are you on Huawei?

Speaker 5 Sorry, I lost you there again. We had a bad connection, but I can hear you now.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 he wants the world to decouple from China, but I think also at the same time, he wants the world to the Western world to decouple from this idea of

Speaker 1 a managed decline.

Speaker 1 Right. You know, and

Speaker 1 he's trying to, and I think this is,

Speaker 1 I think this is hopefully working with the rest of the world.

Speaker 1 He needs to break all the barnacles off that have just been, you know, on

Speaker 1 the hull of this ship forever now, saying, oh, well, this is the way it's going to be. He's scraping all those barnacles off and saying, no, it's not going to be that way anymore.

Speaker 1 So you need to make a decision.

Speaker 1 You're either going to manage your own decline and throw in with China, or you're going to go a new direction that really only he and Malay and a few others are laying out.

Speaker 5 You know, it's so funny you should mention that because do you know who the two most popular politicians in the world are today?

Speaker 1 Malay and Donald Trump?

Speaker 5 Trump.

Speaker 5 I mean, the two populists, pro-people, pro-free enterprise,

Speaker 5 anti-big government

Speaker 5 leaders. And I've been predicting this.
I think I said this on your show a few weeks ago, and I maintain this. I think you're going to see a Trumpian revolution all over the world.

Speaker 1 I do. I mean,

Speaker 5 these European leaders, they are so out of touch with their voters. I mean, remember the very start of the Trump Revolution was when Britain was shocked that all of the

Speaker 5 majority of their people wanted out of the European Union.

Speaker 5 They said, we're not going to have these bureaucrats in Brussels tell us how we live our lives and what tea kettles we can use in our kitchen.

Speaker 5 And so

Speaker 5 these arrogant, out-of-touch, self-righteous politicians are going to be thrown out of office for pro-people

Speaker 5 and pro-working class politicians.

Speaker 5 I think Trump has started a world revolution here. I really do.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I think Maloney is in that category. She's just, I think, a little softer, but I think she could be in that.

Speaker 1 You know, I don't know about Maureen Le Pen now that now that they've thrown her out. I mean, that just...

Speaker 5 I'm bogus charges.

Speaker 1 It just seems.

Speaker 5 They did to her exactly what the left tried to do to Donald Trump, correct bogus lawsuits.

Speaker 1 Correct. And those countries like France that are doing that, I think are going to be in real, real trouble.
You know, it was interesting to me that

Speaker 1 the Prime Minister of England came out, Starmer, who is absolutely a WEF clone.

Speaker 4 Oh, he's horrible. He's horrible.

Speaker 1 And he came out and was like, the age of globalization is over. You can't play this game.
You can't say that and then be part of globalization. It's going to end really badly for him.

Speaker 1 Do you agree or disagree?

Speaker 5 Yeah, yeah. I think Britain is really in bad shape right now, and

Speaker 5 they need to find a Trump candidate. And maybe it's,

Speaker 5 you know, who's the one who, I'm blanking out his name, the guy who led Britain out of

Speaker 1 that. I've never had a keener moment here.

Speaker 4 Anyway,

Speaker 5 I do think that's going to.

Speaker 1 Nigel Farage.

Speaker 5 Nigel, yeah, right, exactly.

Speaker 5 And I'm friends with Nigel. I couldn't remember.
I know. But anyway, I think he could be the next leader of Britain.
And so I don't know which way the Europeans are going to go, frankly.

Speaker 5 I mean, I think they're totally confused with their leadership in these countries.

Speaker 5 And by the way, I've got to tell you, Glenn, I've been doing over the last month almost every day, like BBC and all these European stations and, you know, and some of the Asian stations.

Speaker 5 And they're so indignant. And they're like, Trump is causing a trade war here.

Speaker 5 What is wrong with this guy? Blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 5 And I just very calmly say, well, listen, your terrorists in Britain or Germany or, you know, Japan, whatever country it is, you're a terrorist of three or four times higher than ours.

Speaker 5 So you're saying Trump is starting a trade war. We're saying you already started the trade war.
How can you self-righteously say, how dare Trump raise a terrorist?

Speaker 5 Well, you're a terrorist of three or four times. You know what? They never even answer the question.

Speaker 1 Well, because they just move out of it. Here's the thing.
They expect that to be the norm because we rebuilt i mean the reason why we accepted these things early on was because we didn't want to

Speaker 1 we wanted to make sure the germans germans not having jobs is a very bad idea right we wanted germans to be able to rebuild their factories and mercedes-benz and everything else so we had those and now they just expect that to be the norm and donald trump is like it was the norm it can no longer be the norm and you know what it's so you're exactly right about that glenn And I would just add something.

Speaker 5 One of the things we've learned from this is that

Speaker 4 it's no longer being recorded.

Speaker 1 Sorry.

Speaker 5 One of the things we've learned from this.

Speaker 1 Are you in prison? Are you calling from a prison?

Speaker 1 But

Speaker 5 what you were just describing, that kind of American relationship with rebuilding Europe, it's like the welfare state, you know, where people become dependent on a welfare state, and Europe is dependent on the welfare that we give them.

Speaker 5 And that's why one of the first things Trump did that I thought was so fantastic: he said, you know, if you're not paying your NATO dues, we're out.

Speaker 5 And they, you know, again, they bitched and they moaned and they complained. But guess what? They played their notice.
I know.

Speaker 5 You know, I mean, I think I just, the indignation and the self-righteousness and the sense of entitlement of these countries, it drives me absolutely nuts.

Speaker 1 So let me ask you: the stock market is down again. It's down again.

Speaker 5 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Yeah. Why?

Speaker 5 It's been topsy-turvy for a while.

Speaker 4 Well,

Speaker 5 that's a good question. Why? I don't know.

Speaker 5 I mean, you know, who knows why? It was way up. Yesterday,

Speaker 5 Dow Jones on a point per point basis was up more than any time any day in American history. But

Speaker 5 look, it's going to be up and down, up and down until

Speaker 5 this reset happens. And it's so it's going to be topsy-turvy, I think, for the next several months.
So get, you know, get ready for that, folks. But at the end of the day, I think Trump will prevail.

Speaker 5 I think we're going to have a much secure economy.

Speaker 5 And these countries are going to stop treating us like we're daddy warbucks.

Speaker 1 So because we're out of we're not seemingly never out of war, but we are out of bucks.

Speaker 1 Stephen,

Speaker 1 yesterday I sent you something about the basis trade, and this is something that's so in the weeds for most people.

Speaker 1 But what's happening to the hedge funds and

Speaker 1 our

Speaker 1 bonds,

Speaker 1 and that looked really frightening. Is that going to stop? Because that was something that they were doing before.

Speaker 1 It might have been

Speaker 1 blown over with a feather of Trump, but this is something that's been going on, and there are deep, deep cracks in it.

Speaker 1 How is that? How's that going?

Speaker 1 Well, yeah.

Speaker 5 So, just for background, what happened starting a few days ago is that foreigners started to

Speaker 5 sell their U.S. bonds.
And that happened in Japan, and then Russia was selling some of their bonds. China was selling their bonds.

Speaker 5 And the interest rate on those bonds, when people sell bonds, that means you have to pay more interest to get people to buy them. And so the interest rate went from

Speaker 5 like 3.5 to 4.5.

Speaker 5 Not exactly, but almost up a full percentage point. And so that's bad for America because

Speaker 5 we owe $35 trillion and the debt turns over. And that means

Speaker 5 when those bonds come due, then we have to issue new bonds at a higher interest rate. And as you know, you've reported on this many times.

Speaker 5 You know, I think interest expenses are like the second highest expenditure on our federal budget. So,

Speaker 5 you know,

Speaker 5 but

Speaker 5 if you're not going to invest in U.S. bonds are still the safest in the world by far.
There's not no other, you know, are you going to buy Russian bonds? Are you going to buy European bonds?

Speaker 5 So I'm not too concerned about it.

Speaker 5 I think that

Speaker 5 I think that but you know, China has several trillion dollars of our bonds.

Speaker 5 And this is why having such an enormous deficit is a problem. And, you know, because then we have to borrow money from, you know, from people we don't want to have to borrow money from.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 1 Are they,

Speaker 1 I mean, you know, they're serious. We just said Trump is serious on China.
China is serious on us.

Speaker 1 Are they

Speaker 1 able

Speaker 1 to dump our bonds, survive? Are they able to really fight this war out? I mean,

Speaker 5 they're not. So, this is the key insight that Donald Trump has made, which is so right on the mark, that our economy is still substantially bigger than China's.

Speaker 5 In fact, our stock market is five times higher than China's. So, they're not even close with respect to the net worth of their companies.

Speaker 5 I mean, you just take the seven, the Magnificent Seven, they have more value than every company in China. So, we have a huge lead on them.

Speaker 5 And the fact is that, now, look, they've been catching up, no question. And look,

Speaker 5 I want to give you guys, you know, your listeners, a little history lesson.

Speaker 5 What happened in China, and it's first of all, Mao was the greatest villain who ever lived, probably in the history of mankind.

Speaker 5 He murdered 100 million people, of his own people, and yet he's still on the currency. They still have pictures of Mao.
That would be like, you know, us putting Benedict Arnold on our currency.

Speaker 5 And so

Speaker 5 then you had

Speaker 5 the free market revolution that happened in the early 1980s, which was amazing. It shows what they went from communists overnight to free markets and their economy exploded.
Yes.

Speaker 5 Exploded for about 20 years. Then we decided to let them into the World Trade Organization because they were on the road to freedom.

Speaker 5 And then President Xi comes in and he goes back to communism.

Speaker 5 I mean, this is an oversimplification, but not much of one. So we're not dealing with a free enterprise.

Speaker 5 We are dealing with a very dangerous country right now. And Xi has said this.
In 20 years, he said, we want China to take over the world.

Speaker 5 And we were just sitting by and letting that happen. And Trump finally said, no, that isn't going to happen.
Now,

Speaker 5 look, we have benefited over the last 30 years from being able to get cheap things from China, but their economy is completely dependent on having access to America's $20 trillion consumer market.

Speaker 5 If Trump says, you don't have access to that anymore, they go through a Great Depression that makes what happened in the United States in the 1930s look like a picnic and that's the leverage that Trump is using with China he's saying that you either start behaving yourself or we're going to throw you into the worst depression you ever had now it will hurt us but it's not going to hurt us nearly as much as it's going to hurt them so it'll hurt the people

Speaker 1 it'll hurt the people that shop at walmart hardest right uh you know the the bottom of the uh society you know the ones that are just scraping by all the time they're the ones that are going to be um hit the hardest here in america But it is something where we're just going to have to help our neighbors more, not expect the government to do it, but help our neighbors more because it is crucial that

Speaker 1 we

Speaker 1 decouple the world and ourselves from China as much as we can.

Speaker 5 So I know we're going to

Speaker 2 make one other quick point.

Speaker 5 We have to have a movement, you and I, called Sell China. And what I mean by that is every one of us as citizens of this great country, just make a point of it, just stop buying things from China.

Speaker 5 You might have to pay $3 more for a pair of shoes. You may have to pay $3, $4 more for the T-shirt.

Speaker 4 Do it.

Speaker 5 If you love your country, stop buying China.

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Speaker 1 Ben Lamb, the lossle co-founder CEO. Welcome to the program.

Speaker 5 Hey, thanks for having me back, Lynn. It's good to talk to you again.

Speaker 1 Yube, it's great to talk to you. First, I have to show this picture of George R.R.
Martin

Speaker 1 with the dire wolf. That is, I mean, that's brilliant.
That's really brilliant.

Speaker 5 I mean, he, George R.R. Martin and Game of Thrones, you know, made dire wolves popular in pop culture.
Many people think they're a myth, but, you know, they were an American wolf.

Speaker 5 They were the largest, strongest American wolf. And, you know, we got challenged.

Speaker 5 You know, you know, we're working on the mammoth and the Tasmanian tiger and the dodo, but we got challenged by some of our indigenous partners and the government and a few others saying, Why aren't you working first on an American species?

Speaker 5 Like, why are you not prioritizing that? So, we got a lot of pressure and feedback. And then, when we got close to it, we were like, Well, if we don't bring George R.

Speaker 5 Martin in, we're kind of mean because he's the guy that made him the most popular.

Speaker 1 You know, it kills me. Everybody saw, I mean, I did the same thing.
I saw the video of the wolves howling and stuff as little babies, and I'm like, oh, that's so cute. They're an apex predator.

Speaker 1 They are, they are. Been gone for now 10,000 years.

Speaker 1 Why bring them back?

Speaker 5 So Colossal is a de-extinction and species preservation company, right? And so we're going to lose up to 50% of biodiversity between now in 2050. And so we need new tools in the fight, right?

Speaker 5 We think it's better to have a de-extinction toolkit than

Speaker 5 not need it, than not have de-extinction toolkit than need it. And so we're working on all these different species.

Speaker 5 And we started having meetings with MHA Nation, one of the largest tribal groups here in the United States.

Speaker 5 And they started giving us the feedback that, you know, we need to do more for wolf conservation, not there's not enough going on with wolf conservation.

Speaker 5 It would be amazing if we could work on something like the great wolf. So then they started telling us that from their oral tradition, they believe that the great wolf was the dire wolf.

Speaker 5 And I kind of sat with you.

Speaker 4 I was like, oh, the Game of Thrones wolf.

Speaker 5 And so we had these great conversations. And then a few months later, we were in North Carolina and we learned that the most endangered wolf in the world is the American wolf.

Speaker 5 The red wolf, there's only 15 left.

Speaker 5 And so like when you think about Americana, you think about the bison and you think about the bald eagle and you think about wolves, it would be a travesty to lose these.

Speaker 5 And it's like, they've been on the endangered wolves.

Speaker 1 But wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. But wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 1 I mean, I live for half the year in a place that has mountain lions and wolves. They're both very, very important to have, but they're also spooky as hell.

Speaker 1 And you're not talking about...

Speaker 1 I mean, you're not talking about preserving that species.

Speaker 1 You just introduced a species that's been gone for 10,000 years.

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 we have. And they are on a secure, expansive ecological preserve in the north.
And if they ever go back into the wild, it will be in collaboration with the government as well as some of the tribes.

Speaker 5 And they would go back on secure private land. So they aren't going to be rotary wilding dire wolves.
I mean, you're not going to be walking down the street worried about dire wolves.

Speaker 1 Yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, I just know last time the government got involved with wolves, it was at Yellowstone, and that didn't work out well for anybody. No,

Speaker 5 rewilding works as long as it's done thoughtfully and managed. And the problem is, is sometimes people just get so overzealous on certain sides of the table that they just go out and muck with nature.

Speaker 5 It really needs to be studied. It really needs to be managed.
It needs to be... thoughtfully taken out.
But a lot of times people don't realize that and they just get overzealous, right?

Speaker 5 And they politicize it. At the end of the day, losing biodiversity, it should be a bipartisan.

Speaker 5 And we really need to save these animals. And so, by doing what we're doing, though, Glenn, we're actually building technology to save animals.

Speaker 5 And so, we were actually able to clone, no one's talking about this, which is crazy.

Speaker 5 We were actually able to clone four red wolves with more genetic diversity than the existing 15 that are still left in the wild. That's a 25% bump in genetic diversity that has been gone for tens,

Speaker 5 for over a decade.

Speaker 1 So, okay. So,

Speaker 1 I mean, you describe your company. I'm sorry.
I love the technology. I love what you're doing.
I love the way you think. No, I know, I know, no, no.
It's also terrifying.

Speaker 5 We've talked a lot about it, right?

Speaker 1 Okay, yeah, I know.

Speaker 5 We, and on our last time we talked to you, you asked about the CIA because Inqtel is an investor, but

Speaker 5 we fall into a category called synthetic biology, right? So being able to use AI and software, as as well as being able to edit and rewrite genomes is really critical technology.

Speaker 5 It's as important as technology as space technologies and other defense-related technologies. And our adversaries are advancing these technologies.

Speaker 1 Right. And then we are trying.
So let me.

Speaker 1 This is like everything now, especially with AI and any of this, you know, CRISPR, all of this technology. You can't stop it.
You can't put it back in the bottle. Right.
Because others are doing it.

Speaker 1 What China is doing with this on trying to breed smarter humans, stronger humans, you know, fighters. I mean, it's the stuff of Nazi movies.

Speaker 5 That's what they've, that's actually what they've said publicly. So everything you're saying is what they have said publicly.

Speaker 5 They said that the Beijing Genomics Institute is sequencing as many humans as possible. They use COVID as this ruse to like pull in as many samples as possible, sequencing them.

Speaker 5 And then they said, we're looking for the genes that make the smartest people and we are going to engineer people. I mean, that's not even like crazy, concerned, you know, conspiracy.

Speaker 5 They have said that out loud. So what have they not said out loud?

Speaker 1 Right. Any idea what they haven't said out loud?

Speaker 5 Well, I mean, what, I mean, if you think about what Colossal's trying to do, right, is we're trying to at least do it. We don't do anything with humans.

Speaker 5 So we do, even though we work with the federal government, we do have this kind of moratorium that we are not working on humans, only on animals. We won't even work on, you know,

Speaker 5 non-human primates.

Speaker 5 So we're only working on the species that we're working but we are advancing these technologies that have applications to humans right and and you know we are understanding from like a 72 000 year old skull what made a dire wolf bigger and stronger and had a bigger jaw and stronger muscles and denser bones we can now understand that with our technologies and engineer that into its closest living relative being the gray wolf right and so think about that same type of data apply to humans right i think that you can look at it as you know adversarial countries can advance these technologies in a way where they can look at how can we enhance humans.

Speaker 5 And so, for us, I think we, as an American company that works very, very closely with the federal government, the Secretary of Interior just endorsed our work, and we work very closely with the Department of Interior.

Speaker 1 It's not necessarily an endorsement that my audience likes. You should de-emphasize that with my audience because that's not

Speaker 1 a good thing.

Speaker 5 It's not what anyone likes.

Speaker 1 It's just about right. Okay.
All right. Yeah.
Good for you. Good for you.

Speaker 5 Like, I think it's important for us to always be, you know, colonials.

Speaker 5 we're pretty bipartisan. We work with both sides.
But I do think it's important to be transparent when things happen. And I think that us as America has to lead in synthetic biology.

Speaker 5 And Colossal is one of the most advanced synthetic biology colours on the planet.

Speaker 1 What is the difference between directed evolution and playing God?

Speaker 5 It's a great question. You asked me this last time, right? I think that we as humans play God quite a bit, right? And so I'll look at it from an ecosystems perspective.

Speaker 5 When we overfish the ocean or we cut down too much of the rainforest we are playing god on some level when we eradicate species but now we have these tools and technologies that we can biobank species protect them and even bring them back right and i think this is going to be really helpful for how we balance progress as well as how we balance you know protection and i think that we need these tools more now than ever because we could lose up to 50 percent of biodiversity all life on earth between now and 2050 that's the current current trend line.

Speaker 1 So,

Speaker 1 you know,

Speaker 1 AI

Speaker 1 is

Speaker 1 dangerous. It's glorious and horrifying at the same time.
Just depends on, you know, who's using it and how that thing goes.

Speaker 1 And it's why Elon Musk says we have to have... we have to have the singularity as

Speaker 1 defined as

Speaker 1 human-computer interface. So merge as one.

Speaker 1 That's something of sci-fi movies. Do you believe that the genetic editing tech that you are helping to design is going to be transferred to humans?

Speaker 1 Is there a time that you think, oh, well, that probably has to?

Speaker 5 I think that we will be able to look. So one of the biggest things that Colossal works on is what's called multiplex editing,

Speaker 5 being able to edit multiple parts of the genome at the exact same time, right? And so that's part of what

Speaker 5 we really, really need to continue to advance because most disease states,

Speaker 5 specifically ones that drive, you know, predispositions to cancer and Alzheimer's and others, are multigenic in nature, right?

Speaker 5 And so for us, I think it's very, very important to advance those technologies so that you've probably heard about sickle cell anemia, where there's CRISPR tools and technologies that are being used to do a single knockout.

Speaker 5 But most genes or most disease states are multigenic in nature. So you have to be able to edit multiple parts of the genome.

Speaker 5 So I do think that a lot of our technologies will be beneficial long term to helping cure inherited disease states in humans. And I think that's a good thing.

Speaker 1 How much of this is AI-driven?

Speaker 5 I'd say 30% of our work wouldn't be possible without AI.

Speaker 1 And imagine that number is growing exponentially. I mean, I know ours.

Speaker 5 Exponentially. Exponentially.

Speaker 1 You know, you named the dire wolves Romulus and Remus, and I'm not a mythology expert, but I do know Abandoned Birth, raised by wolves, founded Rome, yada, yada. But didn't Romulus also kill Remus?

Speaker 1 Yeah,

Speaker 5 Romulus loves Remus.

Speaker 5 Romulus is the bigger one, but they do love each other pretty well. So we're hoping that not all of history will repeat itself, right?

Speaker 2 Including the fall of Rome. So

Speaker 5 we're pretty bullish that it'll work out better this round.

Speaker 1 Okay, good, good.

Speaker 1 So am I, I guess. I mean, I guess we're rooting for that.
All of us are together on that one. That's a great goal to have.

Speaker 5 We're all rooting for the non-fall of Rome.

Speaker 1 What's the next thing that you can talk about that you're going to tell the world about someday?

Speaker 5 Yeah, so I mean, we're making a lot of progress.

Speaker 5 I think we're on the very cusp of a pretty big breakthrough for the Dodo project, right? So I'm talking about balance, going from dire wolves to Dodos.

Speaker 5 We made some updates on the Tasmanian tiger, another apex predator that we announced last week.

Speaker 1 Can we slow down on the apex predators? There's a little bit of that.

Speaker 5 They're very important. I mean, look, elephants kill more people than wolves.

Speaker 4 No, I know.

Speaker 1 I know.

Speaker 5 There's only been five wolf-confirmed attacks in the last 100 years.

Speaker 5 You have a higher probability of getting struck by lightning

Speaker 5 while getting eaten by a shark than getting attacked by wolves.

Speaker 4 No, I know that.

Speaker 1 Have you ever been in the wild and a wolf?

Speaker 5 I've been in the quite a bit of the wild, yeah.

Speaker 1 With a wolf by yourself? You know, a wolf walks up. Yeah.
Terrifying.

Speaker 5 Well, I've actually never been, I've been very close to wolves in certain ecological preserves.

Speaker 1 Yeah, no, I've been on my own land and a wolf walks out from the bushes and you're like, oh, dear God. Because they

Speaker 1 are

Speaker 5 spooky.

Speaker 4 It's definitely spooky, right?

Speaker 5 I'm more scared of mountain lions than wolves personally, but I saw a mountain lion once the scariest thing i ever saw was i was actually in cape tribulation in australia once and a cassowary a bird uh walked out and that thing's like a living velociraptor and that and it was just me i was by myself and i was like i'm gonna die because they are very aggressive They're very hard to, you very rare to even see them.

Speaker 5 But yeah, I mean, look, living with nature is what we got, right?

Speaker 4 We got to figure out how we do that.

Speaker 5 But our next species that we'll probably have some big updates on is the dodo. We're really close to a fundamental step in the dodo resurrection.
We don't have dodos.

Speaker 5 We won't for a long time, but I do think that we are pretty close to a fundamental step that we'll be able to now.

Speaker 1 One last thing.

Speaker 1 You say that you are trying to help species survive because we're going to lose all these species.

Speaker 1 Why are you bringing back things like the dire wolf that humans didn't have anything to do with the extinction? Why are you bringing those back?

Speaker 5 So anthropologic effects, if you look at kind of the rise, if you look at kind of the rapid younger dryest cooling period, also compared globally, not just in America, of the rise of anthropologic effects, early humans did drive a lot of the extinction of megafauna here in the United States

Speaker 5 as well as globally. I do think that there's a lot of

Speaker 5 data that's starting to suggest some of the effects of the Younger Dryest cooling period. That was a rapid period that may have had meteorological effects that affected it, right?

Speaker 5 And so for us, we want to build these, we want to use these technologies to bring back these species so that we can study them, so that we can look to rewild them if it makes sense, and also pair them to build technologies for wolves, right?

Speaker 5 In the case of the dire wolf or the Asian elephants in the case of the mammoth.

Speaker 5 And one of the things that we don't, that no one really talks about is every single week, we get dozens of letters from parents and kids and pictures of little woolly mammoths and dodos, hopefully now dire wolves.

Speaker 5 And people are telling us and teachers are telling us that their kids are excited about science now, right? And people are getting more and more excited about science. And so if you ask

Speaker 5 a teacher or a parent about Colossal, many of them know, more teachers and parents know because their kids are telling them in the classroom. And I think we need science now more than ever.

Speaker 5 And I think getting kids excited about science through de-extinction while also helping conservation is a really good thing.

Speaker 1 Ben, there is no better spokesperson for Colossal than you. Colossal co-founder and CEO, Ben Lamb.
Thanks, Ben, for being on. I appreciate it.
Thanks, Len. I appreciate it.
God bless you.

Speaker 2 I got a kick out of that guy. I do too.

Speaker 1 I love it. I just love it.
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 But God bless him. All right, past few days.
It's been, I don't know, a little wild to say the least. We've seen the stock market going up and down.
We saw the reintroduction of Direwolves. So

Speaker 1 where are we at today? Oh, I don't know. I don't know.
I will tell you that what happened yesterday with Trump saying, okay, we're pulling back on some of the tariffs. We're doubling down on China.

Speaker 1 I think that's good. I think he has a vision for the country.
And I think yesterday shows he knows that, you know, we can't put ourselves out of business. We, you know, he's not a bad man.

Speaker 1 And that's what I think a lot of our friends might be saying about. He's crazy.
He's going to destroy his health. No, he knows.
Look at what he's doing. He's walking a tightrope.
We all are.

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Speaker 1 Got some great chat comments from Blaze subscribers.

Speaker 2 You know what I love about him, Ben Lamb, is he reminds me of like the very first scene in every one of these movies where things go awry.

Speaker 2 He's the guy on television, like, and you're like, gosh, yeah, that makes some sense. Maybe we should do that.
And then, of course, it ends up in Jurassic Park or something.

Speaker 1 I mean, if he, I wanted to say to him, him, we ran out of time. If you decided to build an amusement park on an island, let me know.

Speaker 1 Let me know. That's great.

Speaker 1 T wrote in, wait, I thought natural selection and evolution was a way of nature that the experts say if a species doesn't survive, then I guess it wasn't supposed to be. Huh, interesting.

Speaker 1 Elizabeth said,

Speaker 1 have them explain the horrible mistakes they've made in the cloning process and what happens to those poor animals. Ooh, good question.
Wish I would have had that.

Speaker 1 Kimberly, interesting perspective. Totally disagree, but I like hearing the conversation.
Betty, I'm totally against what Lamb is doing. It's totally against God.
Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 1 Che?

Speaker 1 You don't think that's really,

Speaker 2 did Ben Lamb bring him back too?

Speaker 5 No, we don't need another Che Guevara.

Speaker 1 This is a nightmare of every dystopian nightmare movie. Amen.
End of that one, Jay. First thing I've ever agreed with Che on.

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Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah, there is a different, like, his point on, well, we've also made a lot of these animals go extinct, and that's playing God too, is a good point. It's a great spokesperson point.

Speaker 1 But also, I work on the buffalo, the bison.

Speaker 2 We do that. The dodo is all right.
It's dodo fine. What's the dodo gonna do?

Speaker 1 I'm gonna go. I don't know.

Speaker 1 I don't know. I don't necessarily want to find out.

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Speaker 1 All righty then. Welcome to the program.
Last night, I did an episode on Glenn TV about something called Epic. Epic is

Speaker 1 a proposed Islamic community

Speaker 1 that is rather large, just outside of Dallas in the Plano area. And it was started by a Muslim leader who said,

Speaker 1 who said this in 2001. I want you to listen carefully.
In 2001, here is the guy who's now trying to start a community, a Muslim community here in the Dallas area. Listen to what he said.

Speaker 8 It is not my right to legislate or your right to legislate. No supreme court, no system of government, no democracy where they vote.
Can you believe it? A group of people coming together and voting.

Speaker 8 And the majority vote will then be the law of the land. What gives you the right to prohibit something or allow something? Who gave you this right? Are you creators? Are you all knowledgeable?

Speaker 8 Do you understand the repercussions, the implications of the laws that you're going to pass?

Speaker 8 Do they wish to follow the laws of ignorance? Verily, Allah is our judge. He knows what's best for us.

Speaker 1 Okay, cool if that's the way you want to live your life. Not cool if you want to run a community.
Now, he has come out and said, and I want to make this very clear, that's the old me.

Speaker 1 Doesn't make me feel better. I don't know why.
Doesn't make me feel better.

Speaker 1 But that's the old him. He says he no longer believes in that.

Speaker 1 Okay.

Speaker 1 Now,

Speaker 1 this epic project is

Speaker 1 being done by developers here in Texas.

Speaker 1 These are not the developers of Epic, but these are Muslim developers developers talking about developments just like this. I want you to listen to what they say.

Speaker 6 The way what we're doing, brother,

Speaker 6 like you cannot make it exclusive, like non-Muslims not allowed, ufwar not allowed. What we're doing, there's something called association fee.

Speaker 6 I don't know what it's called in Dubai, like your maintenance fee that you pay yearly to cutting the service fee to cut the grass, to remove the snow and whatnot.

Speaker 6 So that service fee will put there 75% of the service fee you're paying goes to the masjid.

Speaker 1 So the ultimate.

Speaker 6 Automatically, if you are a practicing Christian, I would advise you, why help the Muslims, you know?

Speaker 6 The Muslims do their own thing, right? So this is the way we're going to put the clause. And our attorney already put it there.

Speaker 1 Okay. Again, that's not the epic developers.
Those are people doing the same thing elsewhere.

Speaker 1 I don't know. Now, maybe that's the old hymn.
And again, it's not the same people. But maybe he's changed his mind as well.
I don't know. But I do know what's happening over in Europe.

Speaker 1 And I don't think so. I'm sorry.
I just don't think so. I'm not comfortable.
I may be

Speaker 1 more comfortable with somebody else. I mean, I'm not comfortable

Speaker 1 with a Christian saying, you know what? And we're all going to live by God's laws. And that's the way it is.
And who are you to vote against God's laws? I don't know.

Speaker 1 I'm a citizen of the United States of America. We have a Constitution.

Speaker 1 I'd like everybody to live under the principles of Christianity and the Holy Bible, as we know it, both Old Testament and New Testament. But

Speaker 1 we are a separate country. And I'm sorry

Speaker 1 if you want to rule your own little fiefdom and not use the law and the Supreme Court and everything as directed under our Constitution. No,

Speaker 1 no,

Speaker 1 no.

Speaker 1 I don't care if you're Christians. I mean, I would have a real problem.
I'm, you know, I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-day Saints. What is going to tell us he was a Mormon?

Speaker 1 I didn't know that. That's awful.
My gosh, he's been lying to us all these.

Speaker 1 I don't want the church running Salt Lake City or Utah.

Speaker 1 I don't want them going, you know what? Here's what we're going to do. The church says no to that.

Speaker 1 And by the way, 75% of all the taxes are going to go to build our churches. No.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 2 I was told you were a Christian nationalist. Is that not accurate?

Speaker 1 Just the nationalist part. Oh, yeah, just the nationalist part.
You know, because we can't be Christians. You know, anyway.

Speaker 2 It's so funny that, you know, the left will defend this type of behavior.

Speaker 1 And they would never.

Speaker 2 I mean, if you tried to do that,

Speaker 2 and I know of no one who does, but when, I don't know, some cult attempts it, people are usually relatively critical. Right? Like, it's just not a.

Speaker 1 Maybe a little bit. Yeah.
Maybe not. Not a little bit.

Speaker 2 It's just not a, I don't know.

Speaker 1 Like,

Speaker 2 a lot of times people tend to flock to the same area based on culture. There's nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 I think it's part of America that I like, right? Like you go to certain areas and you maybe get the best food from a certain region.

Speaker 2 And, you know, people tend to congregate around things that are familiar to them. There's not anything bad wrong with that.
But these sort of centralized,

Speaker 2 I'm just not a fan of central planning in almost every context.

Speaker 1 That's weird. It's weird.
That is weird.

Speaker 1 So, you know, we've seen this before.

Speaker 1 And here's why I say I don't really necessarily trust anybody who says that's the old me,

Speaker 1 because we had an issue, and I don't even remember what it was, but there was this mosque here in this particular town that we are in, Irving, which is the most diverse zip code, I think, in all of America.

Speaker 1 And everybody gets along and it's great. And there's a big Muslim community, et cetera, et cetera.
But there was a,

Speaker 1 I don't remember what the issue is, but my spider senses went off on, I don't think they're actually against Sharia law. And so I had a conversation with these guys.

Speaker 1 It was a very pleasant conversation until about halfway through. And I said, so, okay, so then you'll denounce Hamas

Speaker 1 for all of the things that they're doing, you know, killing and raping, et cetera, et cetera. And one of the imams is like, well, no, wait a minute, wait a minute.

Speaker 1 And here's what followed. I am here.
I'm sorry to say it, back to the first point. I am here to discuss issue with Islamic tribunal.
So please don't grab us to another situation. Maybe

Speaker 1 we are ready for any... No, I know that.
And I think we had a good

Speaker 1 point.

Speaker 1 We are ready for any point to the discussion with. But

Speaker 1 the main point here we are, the reason we are here to discuss this issue, what kind of cases Islamic tribunal handle.

Speaker 1 And you start with the Sharia. And what's the Sharia? Why are the people afraid from Sharia? I'm sorry to say it.
One point related to this.

Speaker 1 Cut head is not just in Sharia law, just in Islamic law, it's everywhere. Who said that just in Islamic law? That's even another Sharia in Jewish Sharia, in Christian Sharia.
In American here, we cut

Speaker 1 head for some reason. So I'm asking you an easy question.
If anyone kills another, he should get killed. By law, by Islamic law, by governor,

Speaker 1 he should get killed.

Speaker 1 What is the wrong with that? If a thief jumps, I'm sorry, to your house, scare your wife, scare your children, scare your neighbor, and they did that with our stores.

Speaker 1 This is the law, the law to cut his hand. Because if he feels my hands will cut because of that, he will think about this hundred times.
He will never do it.

Speaker 1 And if he do that one time, he will never do it again. Look how many millions of dollars American here on other states or other state outside spend for

Speaker 1 to keep the criminal in jail or a lot of millions of dollars. We can't save that.

Speaker 2 Just let him go. That's it.

Speaker 1 Because he did something wrong in the whole community and they scared the whole community. Why not? So back, please, to the point, Islamic tribunal.
Yes, we never deal with anything of that.

Speaker 1 It is not, we don't have authority for that. We don't have power for that.
But I wanna make sure that just have two cases.

Speaker 1 But you're okay.

Speaker 2 You seem to be okay with that if you had the power for that.

Speaker 1 But you don't have the power.

Speaker 1 Absolutely not. Absolutely not.

Speaker 1 As Imam said, we have a system. We are very organized people.

Speaker 1 If,

Speaker 1 sorry, for this example, La Qaddarallah, somebody killed my dad. I shouldn't kill him.

Speaker 1 I have to take this case to the judge. And the judge have to tell the governor.
This is a system, procedure I have to follow so it is not like this one calvis let's get get got him killed no no way

Speaker 1 we have very

Speaker 1 I give you the just an easy example for leader Omar ibn al-Khattab this is after Prophet Muhammad B Speak upon him he sent one to to Yemen and he told him

Speaker 1 before he leaves he asked him always as a habit what did you do if the if the people bring a thief for you he said I will cut his hand okay he said you do that okay omar said

Speaker 1 this is the behind after prophet muhammad after our background

Speaker 1 he said okay if one person came with me without work and employed unemployed i will cut your head because he has no job so he

Speaker 1 if you

Speaker 1 it just gets worse from here it just gets worse from here uh so uh you know I'm a little, no,

Speaker 1 no, no cutting off of hands. Not going to agree with you.
Whether you say you have the power to do that or not, I don't think that's a good idea myself. Maybe in the 1200s.
Not today.

Speaker 2 Wait, can we pause for one moment on this clip? Yeah. It is the most bizarre clip I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 2 For anyone who's not watching Blaze TV, Blazetv.com slash Glenn, it is an interview that we did at 2015, apparently experimenting on what the set would look like.

Speaker 1 No, no, no. No, no, no.

Speaker 1 There was a reason for that.

Speaker 1 There was a reason. Hold on.
I want to know.

Speaker 2 The interview is taking place in a field.

Speaker 2 Glenn is sitting on a bright red chair with a bow tie, which

Speaker 1 we've seen crazier things.

Speaker 2 These two guys are sitting on what appears to be a green styrofoam airplane toy that is three inches off the ground. They are

Speaker 2 fat guys

Speaker 2 who are sitting there, and one guy is talking for 20 straight minutes while the other guy is just sitting there in sunglasses.

Speaker 1 The other guy was like, dear God, shut up, man. Shut up.
Shut up. That's what he was thinking.
Anyway,

Speaker 1 so great.

Speaker 1 I got an email yesterday while we were recording the show, and it was from Erin Ragsdale. She's executive vice president at Dallas-based communications firms.

Speaker 1 She said, I've been a fan of your show since the day of Fox, blah, blah, blah. We're working with Community Capital Partners.

Speaker 1 Now, listen to this carefully, Stu. The developer of the proposed Epic City Master Plan Community in Collin County.

Speaker 1 This is the master plan Islamic community. I heard A.G.
Paxton on your show this morning noted that you're having TV special on Epic City tonight.

Speaker 1 Would you be interested in having Dan Codgedale on in the studio to share the

Speaker 1 CCP's perspective and share some facts about the project? For example, anyone can buy a lot or a house, open a business in the development community.

Speaker 1 We'll partner with local law enforcement, just as other master plan communities do, yada, yada, yada, and follow all local, state, and federal laws.

Speaker 1 The only people who have mentioned Sharia law are the elected officials and people on social media, not anyone related to the project. I'm happy to visit you on phone, blah, blah, blah.
Let me know.

Speaker 1 So I said yes because I didn't realize that Dan was the attorney for the developer. Oh, yeah.
I mean, so we booked him an hour from now. And

Speaker 1 I would like to talk to the, why do you have to have your attorney speak for you?

Speaker 1 Well, I mean, I think the answer to that is obvious, but that doesn't mean we have to participate in it right i mean i don't want to talk to an attorney i i know what i'm going to get from an attorney why can't i talk to the developer yeah if he wants to talk about it i think that that would make more sense no no offense the guy's you know what i'm saying i'm sure he's fine

Speaker 1 i'm sure he's fine but like why

Speaker 1 lower up on this one uh i mean i understand that of course you know why you would lower her up on this one yes but do you think i don't know why i should lower you know you want to have an attorney great i'll have an attorney too yeah and our two attorneys can have a conversation And we will get no ratings and no one will listen and no one will care.

Speaker 1 Nobody cares because it's not, you're not going to get an honest conversation.

Speaker 1 I'm, I'm willing to say the tough things and ask the tough questions knowing that you'll sue my ass off if I get anything wrong. So, no,

Speaker 1 you can come on as a regular person that is proud of your development and just have a conversation about it. I have no problem with what you're doing.
I have no problem. I don't have any evidence.

Speaker 1 Well,

Speaker 1 but he was a different man back in 2001. That's a little disturbing.

Speaker 1 But I have, other than that, I have no reason to believe you're going to do any of that. I am a concerned citizen of the area that would not like to have no go zones.

Speaker 1 And so I just want to know, I mean, I had the same conversation on a different subject with the developers who didn't bring their attorney

Speaker 1 in

Speaker 1 Houston at the big

Speaker 1 project. And they told us a bunch of crap that wasn't true.
And we now know because they're all being, they're being raided by ICE now.

Speaker 1 And it was the same kind of thing. Don't get rich

Speaker 1 by just doing things that you think are wrong. And I'm not saying these guys are doing that.
I'm saying

Speaker 1 I'm concerned about

Speaker 1 people that will just go and do anything and fool themselves into saying, oh, no, this is totally fine. I don't want to talk to your attorney.
I want to talk to you. I want to talk to you.

Speaker 2 So what do you think? You just not maybe not have him on? Yeah, not have him.

Speaker 1 Well, they they have an hour. We can just get the guy on who, I mean, just we'll call.

Speaker 1 No, we're not talking to the attorney. We'll gladly talk to the developer.
I'm sorry, but nowhere in here did you say he was the attorney for the developer.

Speaker 1 Maybe my misunderstanding of something that you just didn't write.

Speaker 2 And what's the name of the place again?

Speaker 1 Epic. Right.
Epic City.

Speaker 2 I think they use the.

Speaker 1 Community Capital Partners. You should not call it CCP.
CP. I would not call it.
That's another thing. That's another bad thing.

Speaker 1 And, you know, Eric,

Speaker 1 it's a communications firm. You should probably know that.
Anyway, let me tell you

Speaker 1 that timing on this one. Let me tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

Speaker 1 Eventually, the cameras turn off, the headlines move on.

Speaker 2 Great timing for this one.

Speaker 1 What do you mean? The world turns its attention to something else, but

Speaker 1 it's a horrific story, what's going on over there.

Speaker 1 And the need has not gone away over there.

Speaker 1 You're not hearing about the situation in Israel every single day anymore, but they are still embroiled in a terrible war against the enemies that are surrounding them.

Speaker 1 And they're still fighting just to survive, still trying to recover, trying to get a place where they can feel even a little safe.

Speaker 1 This is why I stand up with the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews, because they don't just respond during part of the crisis that's on the news.

Speaker 1 They're there. They have been there for a long time.

Speaker 1 And they've been helping save and rebuild lives by providing things like bomb shelters, bulletproof vests, armored vehicles for first responders, emergency food, medical support, trauma care.

Speaker 1 You can can bless a life in Israel and her people by visiting supportifcj.org. That's one word, supportifcj.org, or call 888-488-IFCJ, 888-488-IFCJ.

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Speaker 2 Easter is almost here, and you know, let me guess, you're trying to figure out what to, what to do that actually brings the family together. That's what we're doing, I think, all the time.

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Speaker 2 Of course, there's chocolate bunnies, and there are plastic eggs.

Speaker 2 You know, but that's maybe not the thing that matters.

Speaker 1 What came first, the chocolate bunny or the plastic egg?

Speaker 2 That's a great point. I don't know.
I don't know. That's a great question.

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Speaker 1 Richard Werner, he is an economist. You can find him at professorwerner.org.
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Speaker 1 Richard Werner, professor, how are you, sir?

Speaker 4 Very well, thank you.

Speaker 1 Good to be on your program. Yeah, good to have you on again.

Speaker 1 You're looking at the situation, and it is changing by the hour.

Speaker 1 What are you feeling, especially

Speaker 1 you're from Germany? Are you you still in Germany today, or are you here in the United States?

Speaker 4 I'm actually in the U.S.

Speaker 1 as well.

Speaker 1 All right.

Speaker 1 What is happening in Germany and in Europe? And

Speaker 1 how is this whole trade thing affecting everybody?

Speaker 1 Well, it is affecting everyone because clearly, you know, if you if you have the the sort of list of tariffs that were announced last week, presently suspended.

Speaker 1 But if you look at the numbers, for some countries, they were significant changes.

Speaker 1 And potentially, even now that they're being suspended, but they're still in place with China, very, very high numbers. You mentioned it, you know, and the triple digit percentage tariff

Speaker 4 for China and China retaliating and this escalating. That is very dangerous because China is part of supply chains across the globe, even involving other countries.

Speaker 4 And of course the US, I mean, you know, President Trump has a point, the US is the most attractive market. Everyone wants to export to the US.

Speaker 4 So it's true that the US has some leverage there. The question is, you know, what do we want to achieve and how do we go about it in order to make sure we actually achieve it?

Speaker 4 At the moment there is a risk the situation will will escalate, particularly this confrontation now later focused on China as the bad guy.

Speaker 4 And you know, if you see, in Asia, it's very important not to lose faith and not to be publicly humiliated.

Speaker 4 And at the moment, you know, of course, that's why

Speaker 4 they can't easily give in. One has to create an opportunity and opening for a compromise or, you know, even for China to give in.

Speaker 4 So what would be allowed? You know, at the moment, the way it's done is very hard.

Speaker 1 President Trump said this yesterday. He said, look, it's important in China that they don't lose

Speaker 1 face,

Speaker 1 that they're not humiliated. And he said, I feel like they feel like they're being humiliated right now.
So what should he be doing while still staying tough?

Speaker 1 What kind of opportunity should be presented to de-escalate this?

Speaker 4 I think it's important to take it off the

Speaker 4 I mean, you know, President Trump is very transparent in those things publicly, but maybe in this case, where we are at this point, it's important to take it off, you know, the public focus and have some private conversations with the Chinese leadership.

Speaker 4 And maybe they even suggest a way in which this may be done.

Speaker 4 Essentially, one needs a face-saving solution that makes both sides look good. This can be done because the Chinese are as much interested in

Speaker 4 making a deal as President Trump is. The Chinese are famous for commerce, for trading, for doing deals.
So it just has to be done in such a way that they're not forced into a corner

Speaker 4 and then they feel obliged to also

Speaker 4 stand up to what appears to be bullying to them and appear tougher than they actually should be at this stage. So I think it can be done.
I mean, I'd be glad to help.

Speaker 4 Get me into the Trump team. I've got good relations.
I was invited to be professor of finance at one of their top universities, Fudan, in Shanghai. Met very senior people in China.

Speaker 4 And I mean, I've been in Japan for 12 years. I know how to talk to them in Asia.
At the moment, there is perhaps

Speaker 4 this

Speaker 4 lack of the right approach. But it's fantastic news, as you mentioned, that President Trump is now acknowledging this.
And I think this creates an opening

Speaker 4 with the right advice. The other point I'd like to make, actually, is that

Speaker 4 I think it is very smart of President Trump to raise fundamentally

Speaker 4 the tariff issue and how the U.S. had not always been treated equally by other countries when it comes to trade and tariffs.
That is very valid.

Speaker 4 And tariffs in history have been,

Speaker 4 well, actually mixed, but they have been very successful and good for America and also for other countries that use them if and when they're used in combination with the right

Speaker 4 policies, domestic policies. And that's where I think the Trump team still needs some good advice.
The Trump team knows that this official mainstream neoclassical economics is not to be trusted.

Speaker 4 And that's very true. But they're still lacking the right advice.
I'm an expert in high-growth economics, and I think the U.S. can have 15% growth for 40 years like China had.
This can be done.

Speaker 1 There is no real

Speaker 4 if you have the right policies in place.

Speaker 1 What needs to happen? What is he missing? I mean, because I think what's missing is the Congress doing their job and putting other things in place. What are you saying is missing?

Speaker 4 Yes. Well, it's a key thing

Speaker 4 is to do with money

Speaker 4 and those who create money. Now, the Fed has created a lot of money, far too much, you know, in recent years, and has caused inflation and everything.

Speaker 4 But actually, normally, central banks only create 3% of the money supply. 97% of the money supply normally is created by who? The banks, the banking system.

Speaker 4 And the banks normally, and this is, you know, this is capitalism, where you don't have central planners making decisions, but you've got private commercially oriented enterprises making decisions.

Speaker 4 And so the more diversified your banking system, and particularly the more small local banks you have, the stronger your economy, the stronger job creation. And that's where in the past the U.S.

Speaker 4 has been extremely strong. But in recent years under other presidents and

Speaker 4 other

Speaker 4 regulatory authorities have really reduced the number of small local banks. I mean, there's been a collapse in the number of community banks and local banks almost across the United States.

Speaker 4 And that's very bad for job creation and for small firms and their competitiveness.

Speaker 4 And China is the best case in point. They used to have this centralized

Speaker 4 Soviet-style system with only one bank.

Speaker 4 And then when

Speaker 4 the leader Deng Xiaoping came to power in 1978,

Speaker 4 he felt,

Speaker 4 let's forget about all this ideology under Mao, chairman Mao, let's deliver outcome, let's deliver performance and growth. How do we do it? Well, let's learn from those who did it.

Speaker 4 And he went to Japan and asked the Japanese, what's your secret of success?

Speaker 4 And they told him,

Speaker 4 you need banks. How many banks do you have? One bank, are you serious? For 600 million people at the time, something like that.
Well, you need more banks than that. How about 5,000?

Speaker 4 And that's what he did. So he went back to China and created 5,000 small banks, local banks, village banks, credit unions, regional banks, rural savings banks, provincial banks.

Speaker 1 So what does Trump need to do to do that here?

Speaker 4 That lends to small firms. Sorry?

Speaker 1 What does he need to do to create that here? How should he be encouraging?

Speaker 4 Well, first of all, one needs to take the pressure off the small banks to merge because the Federal Reserve and the FDIC have been closing banks and forcing them to merge.

Speaker 4 That's why thousands of banks have disappeared in the U.S.

Speaker 4 I mean

Speaker 4 job creation, Collegium talked about job creation, but who is the main employer? It is small firms. Yes.
SME, small and medium-sized enterprises, employ between 65 and 75% of total employment.

Speaker 4 And there is a special thing about small firms. They can't get money from capital markets.

Speaker 4 Wall Street is not open to them. Their only external source of funding is banks.
Now, with banks, we all have another rule. Big banks don't lend to small firms.
It doesn't make sense.

Speaker 4 So, who lends to small firms? It's only small banks. And that's why America in the past was very strong.
When they were, you know, going a few decades back, we had more than 20,000 banks, mostly

Speaker 4 these thousand, thousands of small local banks, community banks, and that was great.

Speaker 4 But the regulators and the centralization have led to mergers, and the number of banks have been going down down rapidly. FDIC closing down healthy banks.
For some reason they think it's a good idea.

Speaker 4 Same in Europe, you know, the ECB European Central Bank says we have too many banks, we have to close the small local banks. Well, that's how you kill the middle class.
Right.

Speaker 4 That's really what happened to the middle class, that the small firms are not supported anymore.

Speaker 4 You know when there's a new technology coming out, the small firms, they're not necessarily the innovators, but they're the ones that have to quickly adapt, adopt the new technology.

Speaker 4 And for that, you need money.

Speaker 4 If you have a small small local bank that knows you, you will get your funding, you can upgrade, you can maintain your market share and stay competitive, expand jobs, basically.

Speaker 4 But in countries where the banking system gets too concentrated, and the US is now at risk of becoming one of those countries.

Speaker 4 For example, look at the UK, you know, five big banks.

Speaker 4 The small firms get nothing from these big banks. But isn't this?

Speaker 4 They can't afford to do the small loans. They have to do big business.
They lend to the hedge funds and private equity funds in billions. And that works for the big banks.

Speaker 4 Is it really good that the U.S. is heading that way? No.
We have to change that. So we have to change policies at the FDIC and also at the Fed.

Speaker 4 They have to be bank-friendly and therefore small firm friendly and therefore employment friendly. So if we combine the tariffs with the right

Speaker 4 monetary and banking policy, the U.S. can be hugely successful.
I mean, you know, Glenn, you've got good connections. Help me to get to the Trump team.

Speaker 1 I'll put a word in for you, but I mean, I'm lucky to talk to the janitor.

Speaker 1 So, Richard,

Speaker 1 let me go to Europe here for a second, because I think what Trump is trying to do on many of his things is to break this elite,

Speaker 1 almost World Economic Forum grip on dismantling the West. He doesn't believe in the

Speaker 1 slow decline of the West. He is looking to change directions 180 degrees.

Speaker 1 And I think that's part of what these tariffs on Europe and everything else is to say, look, we're going in a different direction. We have to go in a different direction.
Who's with me?

Speaker 1 Do you read it that way or not?

Speaker 4 Well, I think that that is

Speaker 4 certainly

Speaker 4 one possibility. And that would be

Speaker 4 you know, that would be a good goal because Europe really still in under the thrall of

Speaker 4 World Economic Forum and the deep state

Speaker 4 and including the US deep state, it's still very active in Europe. We mustn't forget that.

Speaker 4 So sometimes when President Trump ends up arguing with European leaders, he is still arguing with his old member state, his old enemy, which is the CIA.

Speaker 2 They they're running Europe.

Speaker 4 They've got all their assets in place. And of course, the World Economic Forum is a CIA asset.
It was under Kissinger that the CIA funded this program which brought Karl Schwarz to the fore.

Speaker 4 So

Speaker 4 President Trump needs to realize that he's still fighting the old enemy, but now

Speaker 4 he won domestically, but the old enemy is strong in Europe and other places still

Speaker 4 where they've had their foothold through

Speaker 4 traditional military foreign bases,

Speaker 4 where the US Army is and so on, Japan included.

Speaker 4 And that explains a lot of this friction. And so, yes, in many ways, it's good that Europe sees, okay, there's going to be a change of policy,

Speaker 4 but

Speaker 4 they're just going to now,

Speaker 4 while they're still under instruction from their minders at the CIA, they're just

Speaker 4 really agitating against the United States, against Trump. They're talking about, well, we have to decouple.
We can't trust America anymore at all.

Speaker 4 And when the reality is, they're now just totally

Speaker 4 still following their minders. So the deep state minders World Economic Forum.

Speaker 1 So let me take a one-minute break and then come back. We're talking to Richard Werner.
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Speaker 1 He is the guy who coined the term quantitative easing,

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Speaker 1 and I want to ask you about your own Germany here for a second.

Speaker 1 Germany is being dismantled. Everybody is being dismantled over there.
You've got the mass immigration that is happening that is doing even more damage. The people are on the verge of unrest.

Speaker 1 You have clampdowns everywhere from this deep state government.

Speaker 1 I'm concerned that Europe is in a place to where they might just say, you know what? Let's just band together against America. Let's go with China or let's go another direction.

Speaker 1 We'll put them out.

Speaker 1 Do you think that's a possibility at all?

Speaker 1 Certainly, half of that

Speaker 1 essentially is happening, namely

Speaker 4 the point where you're saying, you know, let's band together and let's try to work against America or the current

Speaker 4 government, the current administration in America. That is already happening.

Speaker 4 Concerning banding together with China, so far that hadn't been really on the radar. Good.

Speaker 4 But now it actually is becoming also a possibility.

Speaker 4 And that's actually a big concern because what happened earlier with the previous different administrations and their Russia policy, they essentially forced Russia and China to collaborate as much as possible.

Speaker 4 All the sanctions on Russia, and we know the result,

Speaker 4 actually has been bad to the US and has been just helping China and Russia to

Speaker 4 essentially establish together with the BRICS and other countries an alternative

Speaker 4 trading block and

Speaker 4 collaborations and investments mutually.

Speaker 4 And of course, course the Chinese initiative, the Belt and Road Initiative, now in its 11th year, has signed up many, many countries, many developing countries and emerging markets.

Speaker 4 So there are alternatives. Now that actually creates the possibility in theory that Europe will say, well, hang on, that's actually quite an attractive group of countries

Speaker 4 and maybe we should

Speaker 4 we should somehow move closer to them and work with them. And so US policy should take that in consideration.

Speaker 4 You know, do we really want to drive everyone away or do we actually want to have good collaborative relationships?

Speaker 4 But as the Trump administration makes clear, you know, on different terms, we want to change a break from past policies, which actually weren't that good for Europe either. You know,

Speaker 4 policies. And so for Europe, the truth is the Trump administration is a great opportunity.

Speaker 4 Sadly, we don't have the leaders in Europe that take advantage of this LTA because they could really change everything and

Speaker 4 actually strengthen Europe. But sadly, as you said, they are still in the process of deindustrializing Europe.
In Germany, it's just accelerating. They're destroying the economy

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 really dismantling everything, replacing the population. It's just a disaster.

Speaker 4 And so the leadership is lacking there. That's where perhaps also the Trump administration could help in trying to

Speaker 1 support those.

Speaker 4 And Elon Musk has reached out to the German opposition leader. So that's a good sign.

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Speaker 1 We are talking to Professor Richard Werner. He's an economist.
He's the guy who coined the term quantitative easing and then they turned it upside on its head.

Speaker 1 Really, really bright guy. I just want to give you a couple of things that he has said lately, and

Speaker 1 I want to make sure we address both of these things.

Speaker 1 The policies of the central banks, inflation is likely to rev up again the central bank goal of CBDCs and progress on that front from their perspective.

Speaker 1 Europe is likely to turn into a digital prison in the coming five years, with BIS in Switzerland running also a digital asset register of all asset ownerships in the EU.

Speaker 1 People are arrested for social media opinions already. EU Digital Services Act, the resistance against all of this is struggling.
Let me start with that, Richard.

Speaker 1 You mean all of that? I mean, within five years, a digital prison?

Speaker 4 We're very close to it.

Speaker 4 Some people say already this October, now that's the introduced CBDCs, that's actually too early.

Speaker 4 What happens in October is that

Speaker 4 the preparatory phase officially ends at the European Central Bank. It doesn't mean that from October this year we will have the digital euro,

Speaker 4 but we will be in the final phase, namely the introduction phase. where they will work on actually preparing to introduce it,

Speaker 4 which likely will happen in the following two years.

Speaker 4 And that is a massive, massive step towards this digital prison. The digital

Speaker 4 act,

Speaker 4 digital services act and other act already in place in Europe, sadly, and they're using it to arrest people. If criticizing government in Germany, you go to prison.
Just

Speaker 4 post an X message criticizing the government, that could be a prison sentence. It's unbelievable, but true.

Speaker 4 The BIS has already two years ago announced that it's working on this digital asset register.

Speaker 4 And of course, whenever the government wants to do a big census and register of what you own, well, you know what's coming next, they're going to take some of that in the form of taxes or worse,

Speaker 4 once it's a digital asset, the transfer of ownership will be very smooth and convenient and can be done by those in charge of those systems.

Speaker 4 It does look very bleak.

Speaker 1 When J.D. Vance was over in Germany recently and your foreign minister started to weep and say we have nothing in common, I'm like, you know what?

Speaker 1 I don't know if we should be protecting and being in NATO because if you don't agree with people should be free to speak, I don't know what we do have in common.

Speaker 1 But let me give something else that you talked about and I'd love to hear your comments on this.

Speaker 1 You just spoke about President Trump not fighting Europe or the EU, but the European opposition to the Trump administration, which you say are European politicians controlled by our deep state, which I fully believe.

Speaker 1 You say, first and foremost, in Germany, because the CIA uses the U.S.

Speaker 1 occupation powers and NATO powers to claim legal authority to run its covert ops and assets, which includes most politicians and most parties in Germany. At law, Germany is still at war.

Speaker 1 There's not been a peace treaty. The Constitution remains suspended, and there is only a basic law for occupied countries, and Germany remains an enemy country in the UN Charter.

Speaker 1 Most of all, many of the 1945 occupation statutes still apply, giving extraordinary powers to representatives of the U.S. government, which the CIA uses.
Holy mother, I had no idea.

Speaker 4 That's true? Yeah, that is the truth. That is the truth.
I'm glad you saw it.

Speaker 4 You know, more Americans need to realize this. And also,

Speaker 4 all members of the Trump administration need to realize that. So when they have an argument with Europe, who are they actually arguing with? It is their old nemesis, their old opposition, the CIA.

Speaker 1 Richard,

Speaker 1 how long are you in the country for?

Speaker 4 Actually, at the moment, scheduled to leave this evening, but I'll come back.

Speaker 1 Okay, I'd like to.

Speaker 1 Yeah, I'd like to have you sit down because you have far too much information that

Speaker 1 I have not heard, and I'd like to really go deeper into that and have you show us

Speaker 1 the example so it's not just

Speaker 1 one person's opinion.

Speaker 1 You also say that

Speaker 1 gold could hit $10,000 an ounce in a couple of years. It wouldn't surprise you.

Speaker 4 Why?

Speaker 4 Exactly. That's true.

Speaker 4 And just think about this extraordinary money creation that the central banks, starting with the Fed, have undertaken since March 2020 under all sorts sorts of pretenses, has been so massive.

Speaker 4 And of course, that has then had an impact on stocks and other things. But

Speaker 4 the gold price has barely moved. I mean, it's now just in the last sort of four months, five months,

Speaker 4 started to move. And it's now just about double where it was in March 2020.
But that still doesn't reflect all the money creation that's been going on since. So it's still cheap, basically.

Speaker 1 So we are looking at, I mean, this is, I've been trying to explain to the American people that what Donald Trump is doing, he's not,

Speaker 1 he's not nibbling around the edges. And

Speaker 1 I'm not sure how much I understand.

Speaker 1 I'm not sure how much he understands, but we do all understand there is a deep fundamental structural problem that started, you know, after World War II, and it was all put in there, maybe let's just say for all good intentions, but now it no longer works.

Speaker 1 In fact, it's working against the people

Speaker 1 and it's been twisted and is in awful, awful shape. And half the most of the politicians, half the world says, let's just manage the decline into some sort of global state.

Speaker 1 He is saying, no, we've got to go the other way.

Speaker 1 Can you explain this to the person that might not be a fan of Donald Trump, that is that

Speaker 1 you can explain why it is important.

Speaker 1 No matter what the answer is, I don't know. I think I'm the only one that's diagnosing the cancer so far is Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 So I'll go with his prescription right now until I hear a better doctor that admits the problem and then says, here's a better solution.

Speaker 1 Can you describe to people who don't see this why it is so important that we must get off the course we've been on for a long time?

Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 Well, essentially, the resistance to President Trump, which was very obvious before the elections, you know, and when he was shot at several times, assassination attempts, that is such proof that he is doing the right things.

Speaker 4 I mean, the deep state clearly has been very,

Speaker 4 well,

Speaker 4 very much afraid of

Speaker 4 the presidency, you know, the second Trump presidency. So

Speaker 4 that's the first point. And then now why is this deep state so powerful?

Speaker 4 Once you look into that, you realize that

Speaker 4 it is really the most important variable in the post-war era, certainly since the CIA was created in 1947. Fletcher Proutley wrote a really good book about this called The Secret Team.

Speaker 4 For many years, it was not available because it was suppressed.

Speaker 4 And he describes the extraordinary powers of the CIA, which technically are actually illegal, but the CIA has used its powers to make it practically legal.

Speaker 4 By any congressional oversight, they make sure these are all CIA agents,

Speaker 4 because

Speaker 4 it's classified who is a CIA agent, and there's no de facto real oversight over this. Dr.
Brownie wasn't just somebody, some kind of

Speaker 4 crackpot. No, he was actually part of all this.
He'd been heading all sorts of covert operations. The first thing to understand is that the CIA has two parts.

Speaker 4 One is the official front, the public face, which is just the analysts. And that's a very mild-mannered part of the CAA.
You can download their reports and everything, you know.

Speaker 4 And originally it was meant to be that, you know, briefing the president, supposed to report to the president.

Speaker 4 Well, it looks like they assassinated the president, JFK,

Speaker 4 and they colluded with all sorts of foreign powers.

Speaker 4 And they had very, they've completely gone out of control because there's a second part of the CIA, and he worked at that and rose to the top, you know, and that is the covert operation part of the CIA

Speaker 4 Turchiproudy was the

Speaker 4 the the head of covert opera chief of covert operations uh the joint chiefs of staff in the white house and then he became a whistleblower and he wrote this book um so that's the real problem what this what this the deep state has been doing for decades and uh that has

Speaker 4 really

Speaker 4 um shaped and into a very very bad shape

Speaker 4 world

Speaker 4 politics and many events. And Europe suffered from that.
You know, the EU was created by the CIA. It's a CIA creation.

Speaker 4 That's actually a matter of public record because, fortunately, some of these CIA records have to be published, and they were published.

Speaker 4 And it turned out that all the founding fathers of the European Union celebrated by streets and buildings named after them in Brussels, you know, Jean Monnet, he was 100% a CIA agent,

Speaker 4 and all the others, you know, Spark and Schumann and so on.

Speaker 4 And then the so-called European movement, which gave cash to all the European parties if they only put into their program ever closer European Union creation of a United States of Europe, was CIA funded.

Speaker 4 The European Youth Movement was 100% CIA funded,

Speaker 4 and that's really what's behind Europe.

Speaker 4 And of course, they could

Speaker 4 build this up because they had so much power, a big power base in Germany, where

Speaker 4 we've never really addressed that issue that Germany is not a sovereign country. It's still US occupied.
There's no peace treaty

Speaker 4 and the Constitution is suspended. We only have a basic law

Speaker 4 and which was meant to be temporary. And

Speaker 4 so

Speaker 4 the the CIA is using that, the occupation statute and the powers of the occupation forces.

Speaker 4 They can do anything illegal and then claim, oh, it's legal because occupation statutes, you know,

Speaker 4 and

Speaker 4 the big

Speaker 4 operation bases in Germany, I mean, they're vast by the CIA. So one has to be aware of that.
And Trump essentially is fighting all that.

Speaker 4 I don't know whether he fully realizes just how big the monster is that he's fighting, this dragon that he is trying to slay. But we have to support him.

Speaker 4 He's our best hope, I think.

Speaker 4 And that's the battle we're in at the moment.

Speaker 1 I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 I'd like to talk to you some more about this on air. And

Speaker 1 I will pass this on to the president and his team.

Speaker 1 Excellent. You are exposing some things here that I'm here for the first time.
I have my chief researcher,

Speaker 1 Jason, in here. Had you heard any of this stuff?

Speaker 1 None. None.
No. None.

Speaker 1 Is Japan still under occupation law?

Speaker 4 In Japan, legally it's not, but in practice it is. So the situation there is different.
In Germany, legally, it's still under occupation, and the U.S. has these legal rights.

Speaker 4 That's what makes it so easy for the CAA. In Japan, it's like in many other places where the CAA is operating.

Speaker 4 It is technically not, you know, they don't have the powers, but they just, you know, they have the extra legal powers.

Speaker 4 So Prime Ministers in Japan that acted in a way the CA didn't like, you know, this Prime Minister Obuchi, he died on the job, you know, and there's all sorts of rumors about that.

Speaker 4 Abe was assassinated recently, you know, Prime Minister Abe. Now, he was very much pro-America,

Speaker 4 there's absolutely no doubt, but he always carved out a bit of protection of the Japanese people, which I think many Americans would understand and would support.

Speaker 4 For example, he didn't want Japan to be flooded by immigrants.

Speaker 4 Well, so the deep state didn't like that, and he got assassinated.

Speaker 1 Richard, thank you.

Speaker 4 Didn't push the injections, you know, in Japan under the COVID planned.

Speaker 1 Thank you so much, Richard. I really appreciate the insight.
And we'll talk again, my friend. Thank you.

Speaker 1 Excellent. You bet.
That's Professor Richard Werner, an economist. He's a German professor.
You can find him at professor.org. Professor Werner.org.
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Speaker 1 Last night, we did a show on a new Muslim Islamic town that is being talked about, being built here just outside of Dallas.

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Speaker 10 Yeah, it says, given the amount of misinformation circulating, it might be beneficial to speak directly with with the landowner developer to ensure accuracy.

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I would love, like, like when you

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