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Today we're going to talk a lot about the tariffs and what they mean to you.

You can expect your grocery bill to jump about 5%.

That's if you're spending about $150 a week, that's going to be now $157 a week, which is not easy for the average American to do.

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It's hard for you to pay for the grocery bill.

So another $7

a week, that's according to the National Bureau of Economic Research.

We're going to get into some of this, but I want to tell you why it's happening

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and I hesitated.

I didn't know where to start today.

Do I start with the pain that is coming or do I start with a

true story about the pain that is coming?

Either way, so you can then take all of the facts and put them together and go, okay, which pain do I want?

So I'm going to start with that.

I'm going to show you the two choices that are in front of us.

The United States and the rest of the Western world are at a crossroads today.

And Donald Trump is the only one that is actually addressing this.

Everything else, every other politician has not

told you these things.

The choices that we are going to make today will shape the future for generations to come.

The American people elected Donald Trump in 2024.

Why?

Because for nearly 20 years, the right track, wrong track indicator, you know that poll?

it's been underwater.

For 20 years plus, more people are feeling that we're on the wrong track than the right one.

Even in the latest polls, like the March 2025 Gallup survey shows the highest right track number in years,

but it's only at 42%.

So that means 58% say we're still on the wrong track.

And I think that's because we all sense it.

We know it.

We are not believing that our kids are going to have a a brighter future than we had.

And we know it.

It's just, it's in the air.

We know we're a declining civilization.

Okay.

We also know what we've been doing is not working.

It's not working when you have a Republican.

It's not working when you have a Democrat.

That's why Donald Trump was put in, because instinctively we know this isn't working.

Let's try something different.

Now our spending is out of control.

Our kids don't have the promise of a better life that we used to.

Our cities are decaying.

Crime is going up.

And much of the leadership in the West, including the Democratic Party here, definitely those in the left, certain Republicans, the global elites like the World Economic Forum, all they've been doing, and hear me closely, because here's choice number one, is managing our decline.

They no longer believe that this system of freedom and capitalism and everything else works.

That's why they've tried to change everything.

That's why the World Economic Forum is doing what it's doing.

They don't believe this works, so they are managing our decline.

We've slowly been getting worse and worse and worse.

And the average American, I'm convinced, doesn't want this.

I don't want this.

So let me lay out the choices that are in front of us and the stakes.

Okay.

The everyday person wants a better future for their children.

But let's face the reality of where we are.

The U.S.

national debt is at $35 trillion as of today.

The annual deficit is averaging $1.5 trillion over the past decade.

That's 100%

of every dollar, every penny that the United States makes.

That hasn't been seen since World War II.

We're now spending over a trillion dollars a year just on interest payments.

That's more than we spend on education and defense.

And remember, we're way number one in the entire world on both of those things.

It's not sustainable.

You know it and I know it.

But the lies from the politicians on both sides have been, oh, you know what?

We're going to figure this out.

No, we're going to get back.

It hasn't gotten better.

None of it gets better.

It only gets worse.

And we're seeing it now in the decay of our cities, of our institutions, of our children's education.

We even see it in depression levels.

Okay.

People are not feeling like it's a bright future in front of them.

The International Monetary Fund warned in 2024 that the unchecked debt could lead to a fiscal crisis within a decade.

Boy, that's positive.

Spiking inflation, interest rates, and leaving our kids with a hollowed-out economy.

Do you want that?

The promise of a better life in the West is fading.

Do you look over at Europe and see what's happening in Europe and go, you know what, they're on the right track?

Do you know what?

Germany's going to be around for a while.

England, no rush to get over to England to see, you know, jolly old England because they're going to be like that for a long time.

I don't feel that way.

Do you?

In 1990, 60% of 30-year-olds earned more than their parents did at the same age.

That's all adjusted for inflation.

1990.

By 2019, that number was 50%.

That's according to a study from the National Bureau of Economic Research.

Today, it's lower.

Our kids are facing stagnant wages, growing at 3.5% a year.

That's barely above the 2.4% inflation.

Housing, the median home price now is $420,000.

That's six times the median income, according to the National Association of Realtors.

It used to be a three to one ratio that we had in the 1980s.

Our cities are crumbling.

2023, the American Society of Civil Engineers gave the U.S.

infrastructure a C-minus grade.

How many times have we had an infrastructure package?

Are we doing anything that's real?

No.

Do you realize how bad just our air traffic control system is?

It's like from the Soviet era.

They're estimating a $2.6 trillion investment gap over the next decade.

Homelessness is up 18% since 2019.

650,000 people on the streets every single night.

Crime in major cities in Chicago, Philadelphia, violent crime rates up 5% since 2019.

Leadership in both the U.S.

and across the West.

They're more focused on globalist agendas than they are any of these problems.

And all of their agenda items make these problems worse.

Agree or disagree.

The Great Reset, all of that rhetoric.

pushed centralized control and sustainabilities over

your individual liberty.

And that has caused massive distrust.

So as the Democratic Party's focus on

expanding social programs, they have added $6 trillion to our debt since 2010.

Some Republicans have gone along.

Why are they expanding

this

cushion for homelessness and everything else?

Because they're...

They are managing the decline.

We're going to have all these people out of work.

We're going to have all these people.

And so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

You have to listen to a whole show today because in hour three, I'm going to show you what we need to be doing for the future.

And it's a speech that I would love the president to hear and give.

But this isn't a conspiracy.

All this stuff that's going on, this is all data.

The WEF's own 2023 report called for global governance to address climate and inequality.

They're going in a different direction.

68% of Americans in a Pew Research poll this last year prioritized national sovereignty over global cooperation.

So the people in these countries, especially ours, want the individual sovereignty.

But the elites want global control.

People feel managed, not led, and that's true.

We are being managed to our own demise or decline.

So all of these things that are coming out, I'm so frustrated because all the things that were considered conspiracy theories that drag my name through the mud for I don't know how many years, they have all been dismissed, I've been dismissed, everything else, you've been dismissed because you knew these things to be true.

It turns out they're all true.

Twitter files revealed government pressure on social media, censor speech confirmed by court documents in Missouri versus Biden.

The 2020 lab leak theory about COVID-19, misinformation.

You're dangerous.

You want to just kill grandparents if you believe that.

Now, Department of Energy, the FBI, everybody is saying, no, no, no, it's worse than what they were saying.

And I want to make sure, there are some evil people, I think, some evil politicians, evil corporations, et cetera, et cetera.

Most of them, I think, just have self-serving motives.

Or some of them have self-serving motives.

I think most of them actually just just are going along with it.

They're just going along because that's what humans do.

Look at COVID.

How many people just like, I don't know, I'm just going to go along with it.

I'll wear the mask.

Or they actually genuinely believe that the principles that built our nation and built the West no longer work.

But I don't buy that, and neither do you.

And

if they thought you were with them, they wouldn't be hiding all of their actions or silencing any dissent.

They know you're not for it.

So they just need to get that decline locked in.

And once that decline is locked in, and we are very close, that's why it's going to hurt so much when we turn this ship, because they're not going to give up.

They need that decline.

2024 YouGov poll found 62% of Americans believe free speech is under threat.

55% thinks elites are out of touch.

You have Millay, whose election saw 56% voter support.

What is he doing?

He's turning the ship.

Now others are saying, wait, we've got to eject all of this stuff that we've been doing for the last hundred years and go back to the principles.

Okay, because centralized and unchecked spending and globalized

control just doesn't work.

It doesn't.

Okay.

Bill of Rights,

free markets, individual liberty, the rule of law.

These have been treated as like curiosities, not our bedrock anymore.

They're just like, oh, that's cute.

Look at that.

No, it's not cute.

That's what built us in the first place.

You know, 45% of Americans now self-center because they have a fear of backlash.

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The Second Amendment.

40% of Americans live in states where you can't have a gun or it's so restrictive you don't buy a gun.

The 10th Amendment reserves the power to the states, yet federal spending now accounts for 25% of every dollar of our GDP.

Wow.

So where does this leave us?

Well, let me pause and I'll take you to the tariffs and deregulation and the tax cuts.

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And honestly, I am concerned about it too, just as much as you are.

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But I want to take you there because I want to show you the choice that is in front of us.

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the 10% tariffs on imports, 54% on Chinese goods, yada, yada, yada.

This is all to aim to bring

parity in the world, to have us stop being raped.

And when you saw those charts that he put out yesterday, if you did, it shows how are we possibly the bad guys here?

Because we're not charging anything that they are charging.

Nothing.

It's not even close.

However, it's going to raise your price, groceries 5%, cars, $1,000 to $2,000.

That's according to the National Bureau of Economic Research.

It's going to be a bumpy road.

And saboteurs are among us, entrenched bureaucrats, globalist elites, the people who don't believe.

that American principles actually work.

There are some in our own party, the Republican Party, if you happen to be a Republican.

2024 political report found 30% of Republican lawmakers privately oppose Donald Trump's policies.

Hmm.

Question is, do they accept the reality of where we are and the choice in front of us?

Do they have a better and bold idea that they'd like to share with the rest of the class?

Because the choice in front of us is really stark.

Do we manage our decline or do we take a hard path to rebuild?

One of the two.

Decline means more debt, projected to hit 122% of GDP by 2035.

More decay, a future where our kids do not inherit a strong nation, but a much, much weaker nation, if it's still a nation.

And the hard path means short-term pain.

higher prices, market volatility, big time.

I don't know if you saw the market dropped, S ⁇ P 500 dropped 2.8% after the announcement yesterday.

And the risk of a trade war, which is real and not good.

Okay.

Those are the bad things.

But what else could it mean?

Donald Trump is betting on this is the chance of renewal.

This is our last chance to change direction.

If tariffs work, U.S.

manufacturing will grow.

And I want to talk about that later.

Jobs are flat,

$12.9 million right now, could raise by a million in five years with deregulation and everything else.

Farmers could see a $16 billion boost as food production rises 10% in the next four years.

Tax cuts, like reducing the 22% rate to 20%,

could save you $1,600 a year, but that requires Congress.

And it's not just about economics.

More importantly, this is about our future.

Does America chart a new course?

Our kids need to be healthy, educated, and grounded in truth, not fantasy.

Right now, 25% of our kids are obese.

15% of 15-year-olds can't read.

They need to know the difference between right and wrong, yet 40% of Gen Z believes the truth is subjective.

The need for resilience, the kind that comes from failing and getting back up, not from participation trophies.

2024 University of Michigan study found 60% of young adults lack coping skills.

60%.

That's up from 45

10 years ago.

We cannot hand our children a broken system and then also not give them any skills to fix it or the courage to try.

So here's the question.

Are you willing to pay the price today for a chance at their success?

The road is going to be tough.

The dangers ahead are real and they're tough.

Maybe a recession, unemployment.

I mean, it could grow.

The payoff could be bad, but the payoff might be our only chance to survive.

It could be that we have a strong leading America by 2030.

More jobs, less debt, cities revitalized, kids that can thrive.

You know, the Bill of Rights being our bedrock again.

Opportunity, self-reliance, that's what's at stake.

We have to choose now.

Decline is very easy.

It's what we've been doing.

Just keep doing the same thing.

Renewal is going to be hard, but that's what made us great in the first place.

I bet on our kids.

I bet on freedom.

I bet on the principles that built this nation.

But it's going to be a schlog.

It's going to be a fight.

But I don't know.

I think this is a fight worth having and doing.

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Stephen Moore was in the Rose Garden yesterday for Liberation Day.

He is a guy who has traditionally been against tariffs, and this was very bold yesterday, what the president did.

I am nervous about it.

I've had this conversation with the president.

I'm not a fan of tariffs, but I think he's earned the right to.

I mean, he's the president.

Everybody elected him, and everybody knew tariffs were his favorite word.

So he's got to do what he feels is best.

It could work.

It could lead to real trouble.

Stephen Moore is with us now.

Hi, Stephen.

How are you?

Hi, Brad.

Good to be with you.

I was there yesterday, and

I agree 100% with what you just said.

This could work, or

it could be a disaster.

And I think probably in the end of the day I think it will work but um you know the market the the Dow futures are down another thousand points and the Nasdaq's crashing so

you know the market

very negatively does that actually matter in the short term that the Dow is down I mean that's the companies you know I know that affects everybody's you know 401k and everything else but I think people right now are more concerned with what is this going to cost me in groceries?

What is this going to cost me in gas?

So

talk to me about that level.

Yeah.

So, I mean, the market does matter because it's a kind of forward-looking indicator of where the economy's at it.

But you're right.

Mostly what people care about is what, yeah, what will this mean for gas prices and what will it mean for going to the store and groceries?

And that's hard to predict.

Listen, I think my summary, and we talked about this the other day on your show, is that Trump is right that it is not a level playing field.

And it is true that these other countries have been ripping us off.

And, you know, I've been doing a lot of interviews, as you can imagine, over the last 24 hours on this.

And, you know, especially with a lot of the foreign press, like BBC and Australian news and, you know, the French news agency.

And they're so indignant.

you know, about, oh, my gosh, Donald Trump's causing a trade war.

I'm saying, well, wait a minute.

First of all, our tariffs are one-third as high as yours are.

So how is it Trump's causing a trade war?

I mean, you're the ones.

All you have to do is play by the rules.

Okay, so let me ask you, hang on, let me ask you that.

Because when he put out those charts, I was like, oh, my gosh, how are we possibly the bad guys?

But then I see on X something that said in a community note, no, that's not true.

They just, they made some calculation up, and that's not what we actually pay.

Which is true.

Those numbers that the Trump administration put out were a bit exaggerated.

They weren't exactly accurate.

But that doesn't...

doesn't

negate the point that I was making that

they do charge a lot higher terrorists than we do.

We're the freest trade nation in the world.

Now, I happen to think that we benefit from that.

But here's the way I see it, Glenn.

If Trump can pull this off, and he may well, and he can get these other countries to do what they should do,

both in terms of their own interests, but also in terms of treating the United States fairly, then it would work out really well.

In other words, it would benefit everybody.

We would have freer and fairer trade.

And the freedom to trade is at the core of what economics is all about.

If you and I trade, Glenn, and I give something to you and you give something to me, by definition, we're both better off.

And so I do hope that we, I hope that outcome happens.

But I'm nervous about it.

I think that we're already seeing, so for example, the

I have about six or seven manufacturing companies that are part of my institute, and they're good supporters of what I do.

And they're frantic right now because they're saying, look,

we get our aluminum aluminum from Vietnam, we get our, you know, our parts from Mexico.

I mean, our economy is highly globally integrated, and that makes it high, it's the reason we have the most efficient economy in the world.

So now they're running into supply chain problems because they don't know if they can get the aluminum, they don't know if they can get the parts.

So the factories

are

only running at, say, half capacity.

So there is going to be, I want to be clear about this, there will be short-term pain, no doubt about it.

the question is how long will that last and when do we get to the good part where these other countries start cooperating and we create more jobs here in america do you believe europe when they say fine and we're going to unleash our own war back on you if that happens then we're in a trade war and that's really really bad do you believe that for everybody but it's it would be insane for the europeans to do that because listen trump Again, I said this on your show the other day, but I'll say it again.

Trump is a master negotiator.

You have to read his book, The Art of the Deal.

By the way, I would recommend that to anybody in the 20s or 30s, you're getting your career started, read that book because Trump is so insightful in that book.

And it's very simple, Glenn.

If you and I are at the negotiating table and we're negotiating something and you have leverage over me, you're probably going to win that negotiation, right?

And if I have leverage over you, I'm probably going to win the negotiation.

The United States has leverage.

We are the biggest economy in the world.

Every country in the world has to trade with the United States.

In other words, if China couldn't trade trade with the United States, their economy would go into a Great Depression.

You know, there's no way they could have survived without access to America's markets.

Trump understands that.

He's using that leverage and American power to force countries to do things they should do anyway.

What I'm here to tell you, though, is, boy,

this could cause some pain.

I mean, it could, you know, people lose money in their 401ks.

They don't spend as much money.

Factories can't get their, you know, maybe workers get laid off.

Maybe prices rise.

So there will be a short-term adjustment.

Stephen,

what would you think our goal is here?

Because I saw the results of these tariffs being talked about.

Israel came out and said we're wiping it to zero.

And for me,

that's a great outcome for this policy.

I would love that.

But is that the actual goal of the policy?

Because if the policy is to bring jobs and manufacturing back here, if everyone wipes

their tariffs to zero, which would be my preferred outcome,

wouldn't it affect that?

What is the goal here?

It is, I mean, I think it's mostly to do just that, so that we have a level playing field and that countries stop, quote, ripping us off, as the president would say.

And that would mean we would be able to, you know, for example, our agriculture industry.

You know, we are the breadbasket of the world.

We have the most productive farmers.

We have the most productive farmland.

And we produce

a lot of wheat and a lot of corn and a lot of barley and a lot of beef and dairy products.

And it is true a lot of these countries keep that out.

They won't, I mean, Canada does have very high tariffs on our agricultural products.

So imagine now Canada eliminates those tariffs.

Guess what?

We're going to have a lot more production here, and our farmers are going to do a lot better.

Right.

But they're going to pay a heavier price because then their farmers are in trouble.

I mean, this is a very complex kind of situation.

Our farmers are much more, you know, that's the point.

We are the most, in a free trade world, we win.

Why?

Because we have the best technology, technology.

We have the best workers.

We have the best

CEOs of companies.

So we will continue to dominate the world economy in a free trade environment.

And that's what Trump is saying.

And

there's no question that, you know, let me put it this very simply.

You know,

we import a lot of coffee beans from Brazil.

Why?

Because they have the best coffee beans, right?

We sell a lot of, let's say, microchips to them.

Why?

Because they don't make microchips, and we do, but they make good coffee.

I mean, that's the whole basis of what trade is about.

And countries, it's called

the term for this in economics is comparative advantage.

If you produce something really well and I produce something very well, it makes sense for not both of us to make both things.

You make, you know, the apple, you grow the apples, and I grow the bananas.

And then we're both better off, and we trade.

And that's the essence of economics.

And we don't want to be Fortress America.

Although, you know, we could be.

You know, the United States is the biggest market in the world by far.

And one of the things that has made America's, of many, many things have made America the most powerful and prosperous country in the world.

But one of them, think about this, Glenn, the United States is one giant free trade zone.

You know, South Carolina can't put a tariff on North Carolina.

right and so that that's one of the reasons we've uh you know we are so uh prosperous you know the apples from washington state are produced produced in Washington, and then, you know, the microchips are made in Texas.

Stephen,

I was saying just a minute ago that what people have to understand is there is half of the world, Western world, maybe more than half,

is just managing the decline of the West.

That's what they're doing.

And Donald Trump is standing up and saying, no, I don't believe that.

I think we need to go the 100% opposite direction.

We need to reinvent ourselves.

And so he is shedding all of these things from the last 100 years because they have to be shed.

But

especially Europe and anybody who's in with the WEF, they are saying, well, but we're never going back to a free society with the Bill of Rights and all of these things.

It's got to be a globally run, managed society.

And so that's the real choice here.

It's not whether I pay more for my eggs or my car now, although that's the way it'll feel to a lot of people.

It is actually,

is there a free and leading America in five years, or do we just continue down the managed decline?

Look, I'm very bullish on the United States.

I really am.

I mean, we are going to, we dominated the internet age.

You know, we created these incredible companies like Google, Amazon, Nvidia,

you know,

these companies that became trillion-dollar companies.

You know, just our magnificent seven have more market value than every single company in Europe combined.

So we have so dominated the technology sector.

The big next thing, you see, if I have one problem with Trump is saying, what's it does.

Manufacturing jobs, of course we want a manufacturing sector.

We don't want manufacturing workers to lose their jobs.

Of course not.

But the future, the future is going to lead the world the next 25 years is robotics,

artificial intelligence, and all that thing.

We have to win that war like we won.

We totally dominated the internet age.

And the way we did that, by the way, is we deregulated.

We took away the lawsuits.

We took away the taxes and said, go at it.

It was like the Wild West.

Remember in the early 90s when the Internet was first there?

And we spawned.

thousands and thousands of companies.

I'm worried a little bit that Trump is looking in the rearview mirror.

I'm on the board of a company.

I think I may have mentioned this to you, that is that we build houses with robots.

It's the most incredible thing, Glenn.

I mean, robots build the houses, and we can do it at 40% less expensive, 40% less cost, et cetera, et cetera.

But, you know, what does that mean about the future of construction jobs?

You know, maybe they're not going to be around because these robots are going to build.

So I want to make sure we're creating the jobs of the future, not the jobs of the past.

I have to tell you, Stephen, it's so amazing you said this.

I worked on something last night based on a question that Stu asked me yesterday

on what should we be building.

And I want to send this to you, some of my notes for my monologue in hour three today.

I'd love to get your opinion before I go on the air with it to see if I'm missing or if I'm on the right track, because I am exactly the same place.

If it means bringing back old jobs and we're like, Pittsburgh is going to come back with a steel industry.

We're just going to build another declining Pittsburgh.

Exactly.

Yep.

And that's

we need to make, you know, one of the biggest problems in our country is something you and I have talked about over the years, is our education system.

Yes.

If we're not producing kids that can read and do basic maths, we've got, Houston, we got a problem in this country.

We need the most skilled, most intelligent, best equipped workers in the world, and we will continue to lead.

And look, I'm very, as I said, I'm bullish.

Europe is still living in the

20th century.

Oh, yeah.

Apparently, in the 20th century.

None of it worked.

I mean, Germany has been de-industrialized.

And that is by the choice of the elites.

Exactly.

Yeah.

I mean, they thought the future was windmills.

How stupid is that?

Well, Holland's been on that for a while.

Exactly.

For 400 years.

Stephen, great to talk to you.

Thank you very much, my friend.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, glad.

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Bye-bye.

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It was all about the out-of-control judges that are, they're all from the left.

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And it is well orchestrated, well-planned, and well-funded.

What do we do about it?

Hiram, welcome to the program.

Hey, thanks for having me.

You bet.

So last night I kind of went through these, and it is sickening to see how well-planned this is, and it has nothing to do with anything other than

thwarting Donald Trump and his agenda.

It doesn't have anything to do with the actual law or anything else.

These are the same people that were planning for his impeachment before he took president the first time.

You know, what I always find amazing is that everybody thinks that this is like a practice, right?

Like we get to run our plays and there's no opponent going to be on the other side.

Right.

I mean,

there's a team on the other side.

They're very smart and they're well organized and they work really hard for the things that

they believe in.

And so we have to work doubly hard.

Look,

the nationwide injunction thing has really gotten out of control.

I mean, mean, in the 20th century, it sort of kind of emerged in the 60s.

You'd have a few here and there.

I think a couple against President Reagan, a few against

President Clinton.

By this time in Biden's administration, there were only three.

There's like 159 now.

Well, that's right.

Well, look,

they've really ramped up the cost.

What's fascinating, by the way, Glenn, is that the left complained about nationwide injunctions when they they were applied, when all like basically 14 of them were applied

to the Biden administration.

What people don't understand really is that

there's only two institutions that can fix this problem of nationwide injunctions.

Either the Supreme Court is going to have to put an end to it, which they can, or Congress is going to have to put an end to it, which they can.

But there's no way really,

from a legal standpoint, to stop until we get to one of those one of those two inflection points.

But what's what I think is very, very critical is that if you would look like you look at Judge Katz Merrick, for example, when he enjoined the FDA's approval of

abortion drugs,

one of the things that he did was he actually halted his order for a week to allow for an emergency appeal by the United States.

Like what Judge Bozberg was doing, you know, turn the planes around.

I mean, that's just,

that's beyond the pale.

Even with the power to issue a nationwide injunction, a district court judge should give the government the opportunity to do an emergency appeal in order to be able to have somebody else grade their papers.

And unfortunately,

this isn't about the rule of law.

This is about trying to control the policy, and that's the big problem.

Right.

I mean, when, you know, the left cheered when Joe Biden didn't just go against the district court.

He went against the Supreme Court and said, well, they told me I couldn't spend this money, which is clearly unconstitutional.

And, you know, we're just going to give all these refunds and pay all these people's

school bills.

He couldn't do that.

And then when the Supreme Court came out, he said, I'm just going to find another way to do it.

He did it over and over and over again.

I don't have a problem if you are violating the Constitution.

If President Trump is violating the Constitution, that is the Supreme Court's job to say, hang on, you can't do that.

It is not the district court's place to stop an administrator from doing administrative work.

It is the Supreme Court's place.

And I mean, I suppose you as a district judge could get involved.

I don't think you should, at least at this kind of level that they are.

You know, no district court said, hey, you got to turn the Enola Gay around.

No, the president, that's his responsibility to do that, not court.

Congress, yes, not a court.

How far out of control is all of this, just to put it into perspective for the average person?

Well, look,

what's going on is that you have

one judge

issuing an injunction against the entire United States government that is embodied in the power of one man, the only person who's elected by the entire nation, and the entire executive branch is housed in one person and the people that that person decides to employ in order to in order to effectuate policy.

Then you have this one district court judge, not elected by anybody, who's telling that person what to do.

Look,

what really needs to happen is the Supreme Court needs to put a clamp on this.

And at the very least, all these decisions,

they need to be put on ice until they go to the U.S.

Supreme Court for the final resolution.

Now, Now, if the court says, hey, I agree with that judge, that's fine.

That's the Supreme Court.

And then Congress can step in and fix it.

But that's the real, that's

where the rubber meets the road, is that you're having, and the left, remember they complained.

Remember during the Biden administration, it's all about forum shopping.

Do you remember all the decisions about forum shopping?

Remind people.

Yeah,

look,

all the left complain about is, well, you know, anytime anyone wants to sue the Biden administration, you know, they go to Texas, you know, and they go find some some district court judge in Texas.

Well, I've noticed that, I've noticed that none of the people on the left that are suing the Trump administration, they're not filing their cases in Texas, right?

They're going to go find their judges.

And here's the fascinating part.

You remember all those attacks on judges?

I mean, Judge Katz Marican Amarillo had a billboard just outside his neighborhood to remind his kids of what a horrible person he is.

All right?

I remember that.

And you don't see the federal, I never never saw the Federal Judges Association issue a statement defending the judicial independence of Judge Katz Merrick.

And that's why Judge Ho actually resigned recently from the Fifth Circuit.

He's on the Fifth Circuit.

Judge Ho resigned from the Federal Judges Association because

he basically couldn't stand, what he said was he couldn't stand the hypocrisy.

of what was going on with the fact that they now issued a statement trying to defend the independence of the judiciary because of all this rhetoric about these judges are

you know that that that's a threat to judicial independence it it the hypocrisy runs thick here there the the left is against injunctions until they're for them they're they're against judicial independence until they need it they are they are constantly switching sides just because it's about a fight about power and whatever gives them the power.

So look, bottom line is this.

It's up to Congress.

There's a bill in front of Congress.

They're debating it now.

Hopefully that they can address nationwide injunctions.

Look, one last thing I'll say, Glenn, is this.

When we represented Navy SEALs to sue the United States Navy because of the COVID vaccine mandate, violating

their religious objections to taking the vaccine, we had Navy SEALs.

We didn't do a nationwide injunction at First Liberty.

We actually did the right thing.

We filed a class action lawsuit.

We followed all the rules of filing a class action lawsuit,

and that's how we were able to win, and we defeated the Navy.

There is a way to do this right.

Getting rid of nationwide injunctions is not going to

hamstring anybody.

Everybody can do it the way we did it at First Liberty and still win.

Yeah, I tell you, but it's you know and I know it's not about winning.

This is just about destruction.

This is just about hobbling this administration so we can't get anything done.

And they'll just keep moving on from one or another.

They've already planned, I think, like another hundred lawsuits by the end of the year.

He hasn't done anything yet.

And they've already like, yeah, you know, wait until you see what's coming next fall.

What are you talking about?

How are you planning all these lawsuits in advance?

Well,

look, it's called law affair.

This is a,

the left has always been, has always been better at it.

Have you noticed, you know, you know, they always have to, now they have to attack, the left has to attack the Supreme Court.

You know, we had to come out in great defense of judicial independence.

You know, the left loves judicial independence for their district court judges, but they never talk about it for the Supreme Court.

They don't don't mind the protesters outside Justice Kavanaugh's house, you know, with his daughters, like looking out the window to see people, like, chanting, you know, death to their dad, right?

Like, the left doesn't care about the attacks on the Supreme Court.

Why?

Because they don't feel like

that they own that court anymore.

But if you go back in time when the left had a stranglehold on the U.S.

Supreme Court, you go back 20 years, 20 years, oh, oh, the American Bar Association, the ACLU, all they ever talked about was judicial independence.

All they ever talked about was defending the judiciary.

Look, it's not about principle for the left.

It's just about power.

And on our side,

we have fought principally and with principles in order to try to advance the missions that we want to advance in court.

And it's time that the Supreme Court put a clamp down on some of the nonsense or Congress.

But one of those two is going to have to do it.

Hiram, thank you so much.

Hiram Sasser.

He is the First Liberty Institute Executive General Counsel.

You can find their website and support them, firstliberty.org or on X at First Liberty.

Let me go to Steve Dace quickly.

He's kind of waiting here to chat with us about the same thing.

You know, and I know it's time for something to happen.

You have a plan, Steve?

Well, let's go back to the conversation you were just having a few minutes ago with Hiram, who I have also known for years and have an immense amount of regard for.

Yeah.

So let's say you can get a Congress who can't even decide when they should vote, who should vote, can they vote, okay, and is now on a three-week break, effectively.

Let's say you could get them to limit these kinds of federal national injunctions, okay?

What is to stop the left from just marching right into a federal court and putting an injunction on that?

You need to review.

Because we're back to the same place we always are.

They're outside of their constitutional limits.

Glenn, you can't quote laws to men with guns, the old saying says, about Marxists, right?

Okay.

And so they're going to have to be put back in their place.

There's no way around this other than showing the American people they don't have this power and acting accordingly.

All right.

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Steve, I have to tell you, the last night's show I did on this, it was so unbelievably frustrating because I feel like I've had this same conversation about these same people for the last 25 years.

And they just keep reinventing themselves, putting a new mask on and saying, no, we're not that.

We're now this.

They just keep changing names, but it's the same people and same money behind it.

How do we stop it?

Because Congress is not going to.

It's not.

Correct.

Just to reinforce your point.

Look at all of the greatest gains until Obamacare, all the greatest gains the left made in this generation, Glenn.

Yeah.

All came from judicial fiat, things people at the time would not have voted for.

Yes.

Engel versus Vital in the 60s, taking a prayer and God out of schools.

Plyler versus Doe in the 80s.

You have to taxpayer subsidize the children of illegal aliens.

Roe versus Wade in the 70s.

Kilo versus New London.

You don't have any private property rights.

On and on and on and on it goes.

And that's because what Hiram said a few minutes ago is 100% correct.

You're dealing with people whose only metric is power and control.

And so they will do what they want and then come up with a process that palpitate it and say, I will will make it legal.

That's what they do.

We cannot play within some rules of a quorum, of decorum and

social compact in the midst of a color revolution.

Okay, so how do we do it without becoming them?

It's simple, but it's not easy.

The President of the United States is going to have to fulfill Jefferson's prophecies about the courts.

and do something we haven't seen done since Lincoln issued the Emancipation Proclamation.

He is going to have to just ignore their orders orders and carry out what the people elected him to do.

And then if the other side wants to have an impeachment of Trump, they want to have elections, Trump can take your case to the people and you say, listen, I get to interpret the Constitution too.

The courts get to, the legislature does.

You, the people, are sovereign.

You are the final interpretation of what the Constitution means.

If you like my interpretation, where I think I'm acting on the power you granted me, government, by the consent of the governed, to carry out your ideology and your wish list, vote for my people.

If you disagree, if you think I have exceeded my mandate, that the courts are supreme, that the unelected judges are the final barometer for what the Constitution does or doesn't say, there's a political party for that.

Vote for them and hand it over to the people.

That's what has to be done here.

And what are the odds that's going to happen?

If he doesn't do it, Glenn,

go back and re-rack all the conversations you and I had about firing Fauci in mid to late 20 and what that would do to his administration if they didn't do that and get off of this scandemic and re-rack them.

It's the same game.

When you want to put down a populist uprising, get unelected public officials to do it because they're not accountable to the people.

So use the unelected intelligence community for a Russia collusion hoax.

Use unelected public health sector bureaucrats for a scandemic.

And now use unelected judges.

They will still borne this presidency if he does not do this.

They won't stop until they're stopped.

We live in a really scary time.

Really scary time.

It should not come to this.

Let me, I want to make sure your audience understands.

I'm not happy to be advocating this.

This is not how this is supposed to work.

But there's a reason John Adams said this constitution is only for a moral and religious people.

Yes.

These are people that are not moral nor religious.

They are a law unto themselves.

And so therefore it will take extraordinary steps that get us all uncomfortable in order to stop them.

Otherwise, they're going to end our way of life for good.

Steve, thank you so much.

Steve Dace, he follows this program on the Blaze TV Network.

Thank you so much.

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We'll be listening today.

You know, if you look at some of these judges, I pointed this out last night.

Let me just give you, first of all, the D.C.

District Court Judge James Bozberg, picked by Obama.

He was the guy on the FISA court that approved four applications that were sent to the FISA court under false pretenses to make sure that he wiretapped Donald Trump.

Then when he found found out that Kevin Kleinsmith, the FBI attorney, had changed the facts, he didn't punish him.

He gave him a suspended sentence, and they did nothing to change the FISA courts.

Okay, so that's that guy.

Then you have Anna Reyes.

She's another D.C.

district court judge, appointed by Joe Biden.

She's the one who tried to stop the transgender troops in the military.

She banned them banning that.

She volunteered her legal services in 2020 for the Biden campaign.

She has donated over $38,000 to Democrats, maxed out contributions to Biden in 2020.

She has been associated with all kinds of activist groups, pro-abortion, pro-illegal immigration, pro-DEI, you name it.

Then there's Judge Theodore Chang, another Obama

appointee.

He's the one trying to reverse the Trump shutdown of USAID.

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Because if you're the average person, you you are concerned about your grocery bill, your car, whether this could spiral into something as bad as the Great Depression.

You know, Smoot Holly, that's what happened.

We had two senators, I think they were both from Utah, that

did Smoot Holly.

Those were their names.

They put together this act on tariffs.

Then Europe.

spiraled and said, oh, oh, yeah, America, well, we're doing this.

And then all hell broke loose and it was really, really bad.

So could that happen?

Okay, let me explain first of all what's happening.

The tariffs, 10% on all imports.

Gas and oil is not included.

So you start to see rising gas prices at the gas pumps.

You might want to ask yourself why, because...

That's not included in any of these tariffs.

54% on Chinese goods.

That's going to hit them hard.

They're taxes on stuff that we buy from other companies and countries.

And the companies from those other countries are going to pass that on to you, that cost.

So expect your grocery bill to maybe be up by 5%.

That's if you're spending $150 a week, that's $157 now.

That's not good.

Why?

Because we import 60% of our fruit, 40% of our vegetables.

There's no reason for that.

20% of our beef.

There's absolutely no reason for that.

A new car.

That is going to might cost you $1,000 to $2,000 more if you're driving a regular American car or I mean made a foreign car.

Repairs are going to go up 5% to 10%

because 40% of our auto parts are imported.

A lot of this stuff is going to go into a supply chain problem.

Used cars, here's good news, I think.

Used cars could rise 5% in value.

That means your $15,000 Civic might hit 15, you know, 750, go up a little bit.

You're going to feel this at the store, higher prices on food and clothes and electronics, and it's a punch in the gut.

Let's not be the New York Times and say, there is no problem.

Egg prices, no, they're absolutely down.

You just don't understand.

You're going to feel this one.

You're going to feel it.

Okay.

So why is it happening?

Why is he doing this?

Well, we have kept our tariffs low traditionally.

We average 2.6%.

Others, like India, charge 17%.

Brazil, 13%.

EU is at 5.4%.

That's all according to the World Bank.

These are not the Trump numbers.

These are World Bank numbers.

And it's a little imbalanced.

I mean, you know, you're charging me 5.5% and I'm charging you 2.6.

Why would I do that?

So we've been played.

What he's trying to do is level the playing field, make American goods competitive and bring jobs back here to America.

So we're not just buying everything from around the world.

We're also selling to the rest of the world.

It has to be that way.

The White House says it's about protecting our economy and not just playing tough.

And I believe that.

He is looking to go back to the 1800s where we had high tariffs and it helped us grow 4% a year.

And we built industries from scratch.

Okay, that's before we had the income tax.

And that's one of the problems here.

You want to do that, fine, but you can't have the income tax.

And by the way, Congress, you make me sick.

You're leaving for three weeks weeks and

you don't have the

just not even passing, you know, they keep calling it a tax cut.

You're not even passing the bill that will keep the taxes as low as they are now.

It's not a tax cut.

Taxes are going to go up next month

next year, unless they do something about it.

And so they're calling it a tax cut.

It's not a tax cut.

And we actually need a tax cut.

But are you going to do anything?

So the president needs a lot of things.

His hope is to boost manufacturing and farming and jobs,

but it could backfire.

I just, I want to shoot straight with you.

I support the president.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I want you to know it could backfire.

The S ⁇ P dropped, what, almost 3%.

The Dow is down today.

Full-blown trade war, you know, cut 10% off of the S ⁇ P 500.

That matters to you.

This is according to the Federal Reserve.

That matters to you because it's going to hit your 401k.

And Smoot Holly, 1930, this tanked global trade 66%.

That's what really deepened the Great Depression.

So let me just show you some things that you should watch for that will say, ooh, this is not good.

Unemployment rising above 4.5.

It's now 4.1.

Now that's according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Inflation going past 4% from 2.4.

That won't be good for the economy.

What's really going to be bad is if China and the EU retaliate.

If they target our $150 billion in exports like soybeans, farmers could lose $10 billion.

That means fewer jobs, less money in your pocket, higher grocery bill, everything.

Farmers and ranchers might see a silver lining, however, because tariffs make imported food pricier, so demand for our crops and our meat could rise, the demand by about 5% to 7%.

That would add $8 billion to the farmers in the first year, according to the Farm Bureau.

But scaling everything up is going to take time.

One to two years for crops, two to three years for cattle, three to five for new processing plants, according to Purdue University.

And if it works, the U.S.

food output would be really good.

It'd be 10% in four years.

That would create another half million jobs, $16 billion more for the farmers, and no subsidies on that.

That's just actual, they're working, they're making more money.

That's hope for the rural communities, more stable incomes, more local spending, and more independence because we're not depending on everybody else to send us their food.

Tax reform and regulation.

Keys to making this work.

You know, if I were the president today, because it's the cherry trees are in bloom up in Washington, D.C., I would be in front of those cherry trees with an axe and say the only time that a president had an axe and a cherry tree was when he was going to cut it down, something that didn't happen, but nobody knows because our education system is so screwed up.

But I'm a president.

I'm not going to chop down the cherry tree.

I am going to chop regulation in half and it begins today.

That's the kind of stuff that spurs

Spurs people on to start their own business, to do things.

When, you know, it's not taxes that stop most people from doing things.

It's regulation i just can't get it done because the government's in my way every step of the way and if we don't cut taxes and we don't cut regulations then you're just going to be stuck with a higher cost so here's the best case scenario three to five years u.s production ramps up more food more cars more goods made here jobs grow maybe a million new ones if regulations ease Your grocery bill stabilizes as imports drop.

Wages rise, currently growing at 3.5, but that's barely above inflation.

The trade deficit shrinks, making our economy stronger, less reliant on foreign goods.

That is so important.

It's not the 1800s, but global supply chains are too complex right now.

But targeted tariffs paired with smart policy could echo that growth, like we were forced to do better trade deals with Japan in the 1980s.

Now.

Here's the thing that you have to ask yourself.

Am I for this or against this?

Am I willing to take the bet that President Trump, who told us he was going to do tariffs, is right on this?

We've tried it the other way for 100 years and it keeps biting us in the ass.

Everything has to change.

He's trying to change everything.

Are you willing to do that?

You're probably going to pay more for the next one to two years.

It could be rough, but the payoff could be great.

I mean,

you know that we've lost 20% of our food processing since 2000.

20% of our ability to process our own food is gone since 2000.

I don't know.

I think that's a troubling thing.

You know, the fact that 90% of our rare earth minerals all come from China.

90% of all of our medications come from China or India.

That's not a good thing.

I don't want the government building any of that stuff.

I want private sector to build it.

But I need the government to say, okay, you want to play ball that way.

We'll both go to zero tariffs.

We'll both go to zero tariffs.

I don't charge you extra.

You don't charge me extra.

We're fine.

But we're not playing this game anymore with you.

We've been screwed, and it's been our fault.

We've accepted it.

We've been screwed for decades now on this.

So you want to play that game.

We'll play that game.

And we hold more cards than you do.

So go ahead, have at it.

That's a very dangerous game.

But should we play it?

Or should we just stay at the status quo?

I'm more of a gambler on things.

I'm not sure I know the odds of the table.

And that's what I always say.

Risk big, win big, risk big, lose big.

You just have to know the odds are in your favor before you put the money down on the table.

what are the odds that this will work i don't know it makes sense to me but it goes against everything i've ever said and ever believed and ever written about tariffs so i don't know and i honestly i've been thinking about last few days am i giving am i am i willing to give this guy the benefit of the doubt because it's donald trump i don't think so I think I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt because he's the guy we have always wanted.

We've wanted a really hard-nosed, twitchy-eye negotiator, somebody that just makes everybody at the table go, don't mess with him.

He just might do it.

Okay, so that's what he is.

He's the best negotiator, maybe in the business, in the world today.

He is a great businessman.

His gut has been right so many times when I thought his gut was absolutely wrong.

It turns out, oh, wow, it is like that.

Okay.

He's made mistakes,

but he's also the only guy who I really, truly believe that I can point to at that scale that I can say, I know he truly loves the country.

I know he has taken it up the butt with his own business for so long by trying to be president of the United States.

He has just been screwed over and over and over again with his own business.

It's not about him getting rich.

It's not about him.

It is about the country.

He's the guy I was looking for as a negotiator.

He's the guy I was looking for as a businessman.

He understands it.

He clearly understands the odds.

He's not an attorney.

He's not a politician.

He's a businessman.

I think that's why I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

And I do it, looking him right in the eye, saying, I don't necessarily agree on this, but you're the expert on this.

So I think I'm going to bet on you.

He knows that if this does not work, he's done.

He's done.

But so does the left.

And that's why the left is doing everything they can to thwart him, to use

the judges and everything else, because this has to all happen quickly.

And so anything that throws this and slows this down brings us back to, listen to today's first hour monologue on the podcast, brings us back down to the two choices we have.

We are going to break out and do something very different,

which is what I usually do in my life.

Break out and say, you know what, it's not really working the way I think it should.

And I see trends and I'm going to go this way.

And it's usually high risk.

But it's paid off for me in the past.

It's also bitten me in the butt a couple of times.

Donald Trump is that guy saying, this doesn't work.

The system that we have built does not work.

The principles do work.

The free market, the principles of, you know, America, the Bill of Rights, all of those things work, but we haven't been doing those things.

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Write it down because it's on the test.

They're not teaching you to think.

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We can't churn that out anymore.

We need kids that can think.

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Hello, America.

I want to talk to you about the time beyond the tariffs.

What America must build now.

We're going to do that in just a second.

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All right,

there are three things that I want the President of the United States to stand hard on right now.

If I had his ear and I was like, okay, Mr.

President, here's what you do.

He'd look at me like, what the hell?

Glenn, you think I'm going to listen to you?

But let me give him some advice anyway.

I want the president to hammer three things.

First, today, I would urge him to take an axe to the regulations today

in breathtaking ways.

That's number one.

I want him to show up actually with an axe and say, I am going to cut regulations so we make this country more competitive.

No need for this government to get into your way of your dreams.

The states want to do that.

That's fine.

You know, if you're obviously going to bump poison into the, you know, into the rivers and everything else, then we're going to get involved in that.

But no more of this overregulation and i'm cutting them today in breathtaking ways and then i want him to shame the congress you know congress is going out on like a three-week vacation now i don't i mean must be nice guys uh wow insider trading and unlimited vacations it seems uh at some point They're going to come back and they're going to make those tax cuts that we got eight years ago permanent.

That's not what we voted for.

We didn't vote for that.

We voted for for significant tax cuts.

We want you to reduce the deficit.

We want you to give us significant tax cuts.

We want you to

get out of our way.

And Donald Trump said the last thing we have to do is raise tariffs.

Well, he raised tariffs yesterday.

Congress, shame on you.

Be bold.

See the times that we're in.

We're in bold times.

Do you have any courage to be bold at all?

Okay, so we raised the tariffs.

And what everybody is saying is, great, this is going to bring back American manufacturing.

That instinct is right.

We have to bring jobs back to America.

We have outsourced way too much.

We've hollowed out our middle class.

And all we are now is on

unmanaged decline.

That's really what the course is, managed decline.

Donald Trump is trying to flip that.

We have made ourselves so vulnerable to foreign supply chains,

you know, that at best, you know, they don't care about about us.

At worst, some of these foreign supply chain providers, I mean, they want to destroy us.

So what are we doing?

So here's the truth.

If all we have to do is chase the old jobs, we're going to end up building the ghost towns of opportunity for tomorrow.

You just, you can't do it because the factories with lights on, but no people inside, that's coming.

Okay.

This time,

when the factories come back, they're not bringing back the same jobs they're going to be done by robotics sensors ai systems and if we don't think bigger and broader and bolder we are going to miss the opportunity to build the nation that doesn't just survive it's the nation that leads we have to stop thinking about america's future like it's a rerun of 1954.

It's not.

GM's not coming back.

The big factories aren't coming back like that.

And the goal is never to return to the past.

Do you think in 1954 they were like, oh, man, if we could just have those big factories, you know, milling those cotton?

No.

They weren't thinking like 100 years ago.

Why are we?

The goal is not to return to the past.

The goal is to build what the world needs tomorrow and make sure we're the ones that are controlling it.

So when we talk about bringing jobs back, what are the jobs we should be looking for?

What do we build?

Well, first of all, we build chip foundries.

Okay.

Not one, not two, dozens of them all over the country.

Dozens of chip factories.

Because every single car, every missile, every drone, every phone, every satellite, every AI model depends on those chips.

We must control the chips.

Right now, the majority of high-end chips come from Taiwan, which is 100 miles off the coast of a very aggressive and unstable China.

Do you think if things get tough,

we're going to have access to those chips?

And we can't just have Taiwan come in and say, oh, we're going to build one factory here.

No, dozens of those factories.

Redundancy.

You know, having everything coming from Taiwan, that's not a supply chain.

That's a hostage situation ready to happen.

We need to bring the entire chip ecosystem home.

That means the raw materials, the design, the fabrication, the packaging, the protection.

That's sovereignty.

That's bringing America into the future, not back to 1954.

Another thing, and I wouldn't mind going back to 1954 on this one because we at least got this one right.

We need to build nuclear power, period.

And not the crinking, you know, the creaking concrete dinosaurs of the Cold War.

We need to build small modular reactors.

We have them now.

AI optimized grid systems, next generation thorium designs that are faster, that are cheaper, that are cleaner, that are safer.

Why do we need them?

Because of the data centers.

These data centers are going to eat up so much of our electricity.

If you don't build these things now and you want to stay competitive with AI as a nation, you're going to be having brownouts

because the data centers are going to need them.

So if we are ahead in AI, but we didn't build enough electricity, you're going to be living in brownouts.

That's not a good idea.

That's not how we lead.

If you want to run the data centers, the factories, the server farms, the electric vehicles, all without choking our air and all without depending on any foreign oil, nuclear is not an option.

It's the foundation.

And

if we would pursue this new technology, it's already here.

If our government would help by just deregulating, not the crazy stuff,

well, actually deregulating the crazy stuff, not the protections against the crazy stuff.

Make sure these things are safe, but build them.

Then server farms.

I don't want the government building a single server farm, not one.

But I do want the government, and this would create a lot of jobs, to build data fortresses.

Okay, server farms, domestic cloud infrastructure.

Let the private sector fill the buildings with the latest and the greatest.

Let them carry all the risk.

Let them, oh, gee, this is something brand new.

We got to get rid of all that.

Good.

They carry all of that.

But perhaps it is the government's job to build a fortress around those centers to protect it.

That's where the real money can come in.

And businesses will say, I want, because they're protecting it.

It's safe here.

The backbone of every single AI model, every defense system, every modern company, it's all going to be on data, period.

And we're hosting far too much of it right now on foreign-owned systems or in single points of failure.

Not a good idea.

We need hardened, distributed, secure computing across the country.

Our future should not be held together by luck, some band-aids, and third-party logins.

What are we doing?

So forget about building

the the new GM plant of the future.

These are the things that we should be focused on.

We need to build robotics hardware because while AI is the brain, robotics is the body.

And whoever builds the controls,

whoever builds the body controls the labor of the future.

Okay, because it's not going to be you working on an assembly line.

It will be a robot.

China is pouring billions of dollars into robot manufacturing.

If they control the means of automated

production, they control the next industrial revolution.

Have you seen their docks compared to our docks?

We're not doing anything because of all of our labor unions.

China doesn't care about the labor unions, okay?

I don't think that's a good thing.

I don't like China's model.

But if we don't understand that they will put us out of business if we don't adapt to what is happening, we are going to be left in the dust.

All of this stuff is not worth anything.

All the pain that you will be feeling at the grocery store and everything else, all of the arguing, all of the fighting that we have done to try to save our country is over in the next five years if we're not understanding what I'm saying to you right now.

We cannot allow China to lead in

AI or automation.

From agricultural bots to surgical systems, it has to be led by us.

We also need to create new jobs in rare earth processing and strategic minerals refining.

Right here, we have to do it, even if it costs us more for a while.

These are the jobs that must be brought to America.

We must create them.

Finding, the mining, the refinering of our own rare earth minerals, because you can't build a single solar panel.

You can't build an electric motor, a wind turbine, a guidance system without these materials because because you can't build the chips.

And right now, China controls about 90% of all of the global refinery.

We dig the ore here and then we send it to them?

That's not just bad policy.

That's national suicide.

What are you doing?

We need to mine smarter, refine cleaner, and stockpile strategically.

We need to build next generation alloys and materials because very soon AI is going to start discovering new substances that we never would have thought of.

It's going to look at the periodic tables and it's going to say, why are you using steel?

You want to build a steel plant?

Why?

Take this, this, this, combine it in this way, and it's going to make something that's twice as light and three times as strong.

Stronger than carbon fiber, heat resistant, self-healing.

All of that stuff is coming.

These are going to change the way we build planes, buildings, armor, spacecraft, maybe even the way we heal the body.

Profound change is here before 2030.

We should not be watching any of this from the sidelines.

The United States of America needs to lead it.

If we are going to have another great renaissance and have, you know, what Donald Trump says, this new golden age, we have to be leading this stuff.

We have to be building biomanufacturing, domestic pharmaceutical productions.

You know, the next war may not be fought with bullets.

It might just be fought with with a virus, antibiotics, hormones, vaccines.

90% of our active pharmaceutical ingredients still come from China and India.

That's madness.

That's a chokehold.

We need redundancy.

We need it here.

We need it now.

We need to build vertical farms.

Regenerative agriculture, AI-powered food networks.

You can't eat patriotism.

I want the farms to survive.

I want American domestic products here.

But we have to see what's over the horizon and start building those jobs.

It would be like if I'm saying, you know what, farmers?

We're going to bring back the jobs of the farm of the old days.

And I send you a horse and a plow to strap.

You wouldn't want that.

We must think differently.

You know, in a crisis, if all of our ports are down, our shelves are empty in days.

We need cities to grow their own food, farms that rebuild the soil, systems that ensure that every American can eat.

And a quick reminder here,

you know,

with

very few exceptions here, when I say we need to build, I don't mean the government.

With very few exceptions, like defense.

The private market does all of this.

What the government can do is reduce our taxes,

reduce the taxes on builders and entrepreneurs, reduce the regulations.

Help us help you.

I don't care what's happening on the other side of the globe.

I don't.

We need to build freight infrastructure.

We need to build corridors that let us move our supplies and our...

our goods across the country without ever having to touch a foreign port.

and we don't need better roads my gosh how many times we have to pay we need more resilient roads do you know some of the concrete some of the things that are being produced now in other countries that we're so far behind on

yes maybe we build a steel mill from time to time but not the ones we remember we build automated modular ultra-clean micro mills that forge the next generation of steel in smaller batches closer to where it's needed because the future is not about bulk it's It's about agility.

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I want to thank Stu for inspiring that.

Yesterday I was on his show and he asked me, you know, these jobs coming back.

You've talked about let's not build the next generation of warplane that comes out in 10 years because that's a waste of money.

And I've been saying that for a while.

And he said, so what are we, what jobs are we bringing back?

Great question.

Hadn't really thought about it until then.

It is a big concern.

Yeah, it is.

Should be.

Am I wrong to think about, because I was thinking about this a little bit after we talked yesterday, that

maybe,

you know, the focus on all of this trade policy, because I like nerdy policy stuff, and so I like talking about this stuff.

But at some level, whatever this is, is going to be dwarfed by whatever thing we're looking at with AI in the next few years, right?

Oh, yeah.

I mean, the effects of it

if we do it right.

If we do it right.

And your point on energy, I think, is so good.

It not only connects.

It's one thing China has on us.

Yeah.

But it not only connects with what we need.

It also totally connects with his mission, Donald Trump, meaning his mission.

His mission, he's been talking about energy independence.

He's been talking about all this.

And it also connects with the global warming nuts.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's true.

Okay, it's zero emissions.

And it's safer.

The new stuff is so safe.

Yep.

I mean, yeah, it's the safest form of energy ever developed by man.

Even with the old stuff.

This is not the old stuff.

And we're going to need it.

We need it.

It's quite clear we're going to need it anyway.

So that's a really good way to look at this.

And I think,

you know,

it's also, to me, one of the things that is, it feels a little defensive, tariffs feel a little defensive to me.

It feels like you're just, you're like, well, you're doing this to us, so we're doing this to you.

In a way, like, we're allowing every one of these countries to set American policy.

Right.

Right.

Like, why?

Well, we should be doing that.

But he's also saying

because he's changing it, because he's going to change the way America is working.

He's saying it's because we're going to change our tax policies.

We're going to change our attitude towards just managing decline, just just making every American a consumer.

No, that's not going to work.

I mean, it is part of a bigger strategy.

Yeah, I think that's true.

But

I like going on offense, too.

I think your approach is really more of an offensive one.

We go when we try to solve these problems

without

letting other countries kind of like

paste their bad policy onto ours.

Right.

Let's just lead.

Right.

And it's possible.

Donald Trump is one guy that can actually do what I just said.

I'd love to hear him give a speech like that.

Here's what we're going to do now.

These are the jobs we're bringing to America.

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Okay, question for you, Glenn, on the tariffs.

We saw Israel, for example, go to 0%.

Yes.

Now, again, Israel has a very complicated relationship with us right now.

They'll do whatever we want

because of Hamas and the other.

The Ontario governor just said we'll go to zero if Trump will go to zero.

There we go.

Okay.

So I see that and I say that would be a good outcome.

If what the plan is here, right,

is

we have these big threats,

we say are reciprocal tariffs because we don't think these trade deals are fair.

And our goal is, hey, you drop all your tariffs, we'll drop ours, and we have, we both have zero.

And Trump has said that type of thing before.

If that's the goal, I am still nervous about these means, right?

Because I think there's some harm that could come along with them.

But I'm with him on the goal on that completely.

So is that the goal?

That's path one.

Or is it path two, which is to return all these jobs to the United States?

Because if tariffs are zero, by definition, those tariffs would then not impact jobs moving back to the United States.

They might come for other reasons, but like it won't be because of tariffs.

So either tariffs are a good policy to get jobs back here, or

we're using tariffs as a threat to get to no tariffs, but that won't help us get jobs back here.

Which one of those is the goal?

Let me restate your question and see if you agree with this.

Okay.

It's like me saying,

does Donald Trump want

the rare earth minerals and the airbase state or space from Greenland?

Or does he just want a 51st state?

Right.

Okay.

I mean,

which one is his goal?

I think it's Greenland.

Yeah, right.

No, I mean, yeah, he wants a 51st state and he wants it.

So does he want Greenland to be the 51st state or does he want the air the, you know, would he just say,

if Greenland said hey we don't want to be your 51st state but here's the here's our rare earth minerals you we'll sell it directly to you and you can put it in any base you want up here

which one does he want would it be over with Greenland would he be happy with one or the other um

yeah I guess at least partially happy right I mean, but one, but in that case, they align.

If we get the 51st state, we get the rare earth minerals.

In these, they don't align.

The outcome from these two policies is the opposite.

So one is one,

if he hates the free trade stuff, one of these, if Canada goes to zero and we go to zero, it's more of the free trade stuff.

Right.

It doesn't help jobs come back here.

In fact, in theory, in this world, which I don't necessarily agree with, but in this world, if we go to 0%,

more jobs go overseas.

I think in this case, it's a win.

Either way, it's a win.

They disagree with each other.

No, no, no, no, no.

You're not going to get the same outcome.

Right.

You're going to get one or the other, but both of them are win.

You're not used to this, I think.

None of us are because Republicans don't think this way.

Okay, maybe.

We're always like, I'm always a lose-lose.

And the Democrats are always like, hey, if you do that, we win.

But if you take that road, which we really don't want, we win.

You know what I mean?

So I'm not sure that you can, I don't, I'm not, Donald Trump.

Let me tell you a story I heard about him.

Okay.

And I haven't checked this with him yet.

So take it with a grain of salt.

I heard it from somebody who

was in the room.

Okay.

Well, that's even more than that.

So

Donald Trump owned the

New York Plaza.

Okay.

And that's a big, old, very expensive hotel.

Okay.

I mean, just to own and to take care of.

It's very expensive.

It's like a whole city block.

It's enormous.

I would not want that on my balance sheet.

Sure.

Because

something's, wait, I got to repair something.

What is that going to cost?

Anyway, that's the way I think.

So he was going to sell it.

And his team knew that they were going to sell this hotel.

And he had the Japanese come in.

And they had all been prepared to sell that hotel.

Okay.

And everybody meets with Donald Trump before and they say, okay,

we're selling the plaza.

Don't let them leave until they agree to buy the plaza hotel.

Donald Trump comes in.

He sits down in the room and one of his team starts talking about the plaza.

And he listens to him for maybe 10 minutes.

And

he says, you know what?

Excuse me just a second.

To his own person.

Excuse me just a second.

Forget about the plaza.

I'm developing this new property.

right off the river, just about six blocks from here, 10 blocks from here.

It's enormous.

We haven't even broken ground on it yet.

And I'm looking for an investment.

And he actually sold them that.

And when they walked out,

Trump's team was like, what did we just, what happened here?

We were

in the plaza.

We didn't sell the plaza.

Right.

He said, I got into it.

I wanted to sell them the plaza.

But the minute I'm sitting there listening to them and looking at them and listening, watching them listen to you, I realized they're not ever going to buy the plaza so i said okay

here's another deal i can offer them and he said i just changed the plan i don't know if you can ever because you could say wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute our goal was to get the plaza no his goal was to win

his goal was to get the money to further his industry, okay, his plans.

And I'm not sure if you can ever understand when it's when we're in negotiation.

I don't know if you can ever

doubt him and go, I know what he's thinking, because I don't think you do know what he's thinking.

And I think you're right.

That's my question: I don't know what he's thinking here.

I mean, I do worry that we get a little bit into,

I mean, we should know at some level what our president is thinking.

I think here's what's not an unreasonable report.

Here's what his staff would tell you, not his presidential staff, his staff on the real estate development and and everything else.

I don't know what he's thinking, but I know it'll be good

because they know his

goal is to further the Trump corporation, you know, make it bigger, better.

Yeah, I agree.

Yada, yada.

And I think that can be said for the first president since maybe Ronald Reagan.

I think I can say, I don't think this guy has an ulterior motive on anything.

He may have ideas that I don't agree with,

but he loves the country and wants, he's just trying to do what's right for the country.

And I don't think that's that debate here at all, for me, at least.

I mean, I think, obviously, the left thinks

he's fascist, super sick.

Correct.

But I don't think I've been able to say that about any president.

So I think I would feel like I would be on his real estate team if I was sitting in the room and I'd be like, what the hell?

We were just, we're not going back to the plaza.

Yeah.

But I mean, as a person who's not on his real estate team, I think it's, and just a citizen of the country, and I think it's okay to ask questions about this.

Of course it is.

Of course it is.

I'm just saying.

His real estate team would have gone, I don't know what he's doing, but he's doing something

basically.

Let him cook.

Shut up.

Shut up.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

And that's what.

And I've been in the room with you when you've done stuff like that, where you're just like, I don't know where he's going with this, but okay, let's see what happens.

I can't wait to see how all this plays out.

My only issue is I think in a lot of these,

a lot of this I understand, right?

Like where usually he is looking for a win-win situation.

But the question is, is, I don't even know what he considers the win.

I think America coming

back.

In what way?

I think if we had total free,

tariff-free world, real, true free trade, be a huge win.

So this is

a banner.

But that would mean fewer manufacturing jobs in the United States.

Yeah.

And he would consider that a win.

I think because he also understands.

I mean, look what he's doing with high-tech.

Look what he's doing with AI.

Sure.

He's hanging out with Elon Musk.

You think Elon Musk, they're sitting there talking on the golf course?

Yeah, it's an odd couple.

You think, well, they're because he doesn't play golf.

So Elon has nothing to do but drive the cart and talk and think.

Okay.

Right.

And you know, he's not saying, you know what, I can't wait till we rebuild those steel factories in Pittsburgh.

Trump's not a dummy.

He knows those kinds of jobs are not coming back.

He just needs America to

be prosperous,

free, because if we then dominate on

chips and everything else, that's why he's going after Greenland,

if we dominate on those things, a free market is great for the United States.

If not, fine, bring the jobs back.

I personally think he's a little of both.

I personally think he is bring some of the jobs back.

We have to be able to build our own ships.

We have to be able to build our own chips.

We have to be able to build and make our own medicine.

You know what I mean?

So there are some manufacturing jobs that I think he would take that keep the tariff high to make those jobs come back because we have to be self-sufficient on some things.

And usually the approach on that is targeted tariffs, right?

Yes.

That's not what we've had here.

No, but nobody started to negotiate yet.

Right.

So maybe that's what he's leading by.

I don't know.

Again,

these are open questions for me.

And I know you're trying to translate as much as I am.

You know, we had this conversation earlier

because I got off and he was like, I've never seen you give, Stu said this to me.

I've never seen you give so much deference to a president.

Yeah, because I mean, you know, again,

you're someone who has been,

I mean, I hate to say this to you because it's too complimentary, but it's like, you're a thought leader.

on as part of the conservative movement and have been for 20 years.

That's just a true, it's just a true statement.

I know the world's...

I'm not interrupting him because it hurts him to say that.

It does.

I hate it.

And I don't think it's good for the country, to be clear.

But like people come to you to see how you approach these situations and get to get, they listen to this show to get your analysis on what the president is doing

for one thing.

And your analysis at one point today seemed to be basically like,

My entire life I've thought that this was a bad idea, but Donald Trump's doing it, so I'm going to let him do it.

And I'm just going to give him the benefit of the the doubt.

Wow, that's, I mean, that's an

simplification.

Yeah, I get your point.

Very, very, very polite.

Insultingly, simple.

Intentionally, it's you, so I am trying to insult you.

You've kind of taken all that good glow away.

Yes, exactly.

I have to.

It's part of my job.

But, you know,

that being said, people come to you to know.

And when you're saying, hey, I'm giving Trump deference here, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I mean, are you just...

I'm not doing it blindly.

Yeah, I'm doing it because he is one of the best businessmen and negotiators on the planet, if not the best.

Sure, very good.

He has proven to me over and over and over again that

his gut is really very good.

Doesn't make it infallible, it just means it's very, very good.

He is also offering something that is very big and bold,

not what I would offer, not that is the conservative

dream come true,

but

he offered it up.

The American people voted.

Let me say it this way.

Yeah.

You and I have been together for a long time, and you and I know

when I have an idea on something and it's big, you know, I'll go into a room and I'll bring everybody in.

And usually.

Almost everybody advises me, don't do that, right?

It does occasionally happen.

It happens, okay?

When I'm in that game-changing mode where I'm like, you know what?

Let's leave Fox.

Let's start our own thing.

Let's whatever.

Everybody advises me not to do it.

I was a proponent of one more contract without you.

Yeah, I said it at the time.

And I was like, yeah, let's do two more years.

I know.

So, so, but when we're in, we have that discussion openly.

Yeah.

Okay.

But when we're done, we walk out of the office and somebody says to you, Stu, did you tell him?

I mean, that's insane.

What do you say?

Context, again, you're saying this is the

room.

Well, this is, you know, I say this is Glenn's way of thinking and it's important.

You know, like we have.

After the decision is made, it's the same thing as if you're the vice president.

We've talked about this with the vice president before.

If you disagree with the president of the United States, you say it to him in private, but you're part of the administration.

It's part of your job to go along with the big choices.

It never helps a company if you have somebody on the outside that won't get on the team.

They'll just be like, that's not going to work.

It's not going to work.

You're like, you're not helping.

Doesn't help.

It doesn't help.

That's what I think America needs to understand.

We had that meeting in November.

He's been saying all of this stuff

for years.

He's been promising this forever.

Forever.

I cannot say he's hitting us by surprise.

So we all decided.

Now, let's be the company and the company employees that go, go, okay,

I'm still not sure, but I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because we all decided in that meeting.

Now, if it doesn't work, that doesn't mean we go, he's a genius.

Look, we're all poor.

Didn't it work out well?

No, it didn't.

Right, we hold him accountable for his decisions.

After you let you help get it done,

you let him go with the vision that we all agreed on and signed up for,

and then hold him accountable when it's done.

It worked or it didn't work.

I believe there's a chance that it works.

It's not the option I would choose, but I think it could work.

And what I know won't work is what we've already been doing for the last, you know, 100 years.

This whole thing, it all has to dramatically change.

I know that doesn't work.

And I haven't heard anyone who's in power have a better idea.

I'm staying with the thing that we all agreed to in November.

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