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Great news.

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Yeah, thank you.

Thank you.

Target has announced that Brian Cornell is stepping down as the CEO of the retail giant after 11 years and

the value of the stock plummeting.

It's down, I think, 61%

since its all-time high, but its all-time high was COVID when the government said, You can only shop at Target.

It's the only safe place.

That in Home Depot, the only safe place on the planet.

So, of course, they went through the roof then and they're down.

But they're down, what, 28% since the start of the year.

Not real good.

Now, of course, everybody on the right is saying,

that's because they were involved with DEI.

And then then everybody on the left is like, that's because they got rid of DEI.

Well, you can't have both.

You can't have both.

So I don't know what it is.

All I know is, oh, when did they start doing that DEI thing?

Around

2022, something like that?

I feel like that's when it even became a story.

It was right around 2022, 2023.

They may have been doing it before then.

And I know that I talked to women, I talked to my wife, and she was like, no, Target is the only place I can go and get everything in one stop.

I'm not, I don't care.

I don't care if the cashier is Beelzebub.

Got to be 41.95.

I mean, it was like, I mean, you couldn't get people to stop going to Target.

Now I don't know why.

What has happened?

It's happened.

I mean, I don't shop at Target, so I don't know.

Have you heard your wife all of a sudden say, you know, Target really kind of sucks right now?

No.

I found it a lot easier to go go to seven different stores.

I assume I think you're right in that we tend to just tie every news story to the thing we've been talking about.

You know, like that's something that everybody seems to do.

And they're, they're managing, you know, hundreds of millions and billions of dollars of merchandise over thousands of stores.

Like they're probably more than just whether they had a rainbow shirt or not.

It's probably bigger, right?

Bigger than that.

I mean, I would love for that to be true.

I just don't want to, dance on the grave unless I know that's true.

I don't know that's true.

Right.

I mean, because if you look at their, I'm looking at their stock chart right now.

You know, yes, it peaked in 2021.

That was, yeah, I feel like 2023, maybe it was.

There was a fall after that, but it rose back up through 2024.

Right.

It just has, it just kind of like crashed after 2025.

Now, that might have been weak holiday sales.

Like, I don't know.

I don't follow it on a day-to-day basis to know exactly what happened.

When did they get rid of DEI?

Because maybe the crash,

the last time the crash came because everybody on the right was like, I'm not going to shop there.

And that lasted a couple of months and then their stock rebounded.

But now maybe when did they get rid of DEI?

Because maybe they got rid of DEI and now everybody on the left is like, I'm not going to shop there.

And everybody will forget about it.

And they'll go shop there.

But maybe that was just too much of a fall for them to take.

I'm looking for the date here.

This is why you just don't get involved in politics.

Politics change all the time.

You know, anybody who's looking at the, I mean, celebratory numbers of the Democrats right now and how they are just imploding, be careful because it's going to come back around.

It always does.

I remember, you know, 2008, Barack Obama and everybody else was like, the Republicans will never win ever again.

The Republicans are so out of touch.

They will never, ever, ever win.

Well, look at it now.

I mean, it just comes back.

Now, I don't know if it's going to come.

The Republicans, I don't think, ever did the damage that the Democrats are doing to themselves right now.

You know, holding press conferences with burning cars.

You know, this is mostly peaceful.

And then shootouts behind them.

And crime on the streets.

Great.

I don't know anybody who's done that kind of damage.

And that's the damage that they're doing right now.

Oh, and they're they're saying, they're actually saying this.

It's a mostly peaceful

protest behind me.

Pay no attention to the cars or the bullets because it's very, very safe out here.

You know what we care about is we care about redistricting because

we know that's exactly where the people are redistricting.

Now,

guess again.

So this is interesting, guys.

It was 2023 was the conservative pushback all of the kind of craziness going on at Target.

And that did seem to lead to a dip in the stock price, but it recovered.

So there was a new boycott by the left, a 40-day boycott that they started in March, it looks like,

to try because they were upset that they got rid of the DEI.

I mean, your summary of this is so apt because it's just like, don't get involved in this stuff.

Just freaking sell things.

Just stay out.

Just make stuff and sell it leave it alone like leave it alone because I mean it is hard I do I See you know, we've had so many of these controversies over the years and you do see how hard it must be as a company to deal with this nonsense because you get targeted, you know, these things happen to you.

And if you're not an ideological thank you company that has a belief in something and you're just kind of floating out there and being like trying to react to whatever way the wind is blowing, blowing, it's got to be really hard to manage.

You know, it's not easy

to do.

That being said, that's why you don't get into it, right?

Like, you got to know that you look, you're an American company, you reflect American values, what your consumers want, and then you leave it.

You keep it nice and simple after that.

You don't need to make it.

Just know who you are.

You know what?

Nobody is popular.

Nobody.

Have you ever known anybody that everybody really kind of liked after a while?

If once you figure out, oh man, they don't believe any of that crap.

They're just doing that to be in the cool kid camp.

Those people never last.

Those people are not cool.

You know, the people who are cool who know who they are.

I've said this a million times.

I think the sexiest thing a woman can do is just know who she is.

Know absolutely who she is and doesn't care.

Doesn't care about what anybody else thinks.

This is what I am.

Yeah, I'm a mom.

Uh-huh.

I'm a mom.

I'm a stay-at-home mom.

If that's what she is, great.

I find that very attractive.

And I mean, I'm not hitting on stay-at-home mom.

You know what I mean.

But

nobody likes somebody who is just going with the wind.

You're a weasel.

You're a kiss butt.

That's all you are.

Anyway.

Did you see the thing on Cracker Barrel as well while we're here on companies?

Yeah.

Cracker Barrel.

Cracker Barrel has changed their logo.

And did they really?

I mean,

they got rid of the guy sitting next to the Cracker Barrel.

But other than that, it's the same logo.

I'm pretty sure.

You know, I wouldn't have noticed a difference.

I would have noticed the guy and the barrel gone.

But if that was just there, I would have liked that.

No, that's not a change.

They augmented it some.

They deleted some things in it.

But oh my gosh, this is trending on social media like crazy.

Everybody's like, they've sold out.

They've sold out because they got rid of the barrel.

Really?

Seriously?

There it is.

Yeah, I mean, it's a little different.

I mean, a little different.

Maybe the font's a little different.

There's not much of a barrier.

Yeah, there's not much of a difference.

Yeah.

Play the news report on this.

Honestly, the feedback's been overwhelmingly positive that people like what we're doing.

I'll give you another sound bite.

I actually happened to be in Orlando last week with all of our managers.

We bring them together once every other year.

And the number one one question that I got asked, Michael, was, how can I get a remodel?

When can I get a remodel?

How do I get on the list?

Oh, really?

So, because the feedback and the buzz is so good, not only from our customers, but from our team members.

They want to work in a wonderful restaurant.

So we're doing everything for our guests and our team members.

Okay, stop.

This is a lie.

This is a lie.

I don't believe anybody.

I don't believe anybody, customers, maybe the managers and people who are really, really deep into Cracker Barrel, but I don't believe any customer is ever like, you know,

I'm just gonna ask the manager, when are you gonna come up with a new logo?

Because I want the t-shirt.

I mean, nobody is doing that.

Nobody is doing that.

So I don't buy that at all.

But you know what?

I think this is.

You know, I think people are maybe, if they are, if they are upset about the guy sitting next to the barrel, the cracker barrel.

I mean, first of all, nobody knows what a cracker barrel is anymore.

But

the guy sitting next to a cracker barrel, I think that could be.

Have you gone into a McDonald's lately?

I saw McDonald's.

It's just not McDonald's.

I mean, I like it, but it's not McDonald's.

And, you know, with everything changing, I think there are some people, and Cracker Barrel is one of these things.

It's nostalgic.

I mean, it's meant to be nostalgic.

Cracker barrels.

weren't really around when I was a kid.

So it's meant to be nostalgic.

And the whole thing is nostalgia

and a lifestyle, an American lifestyle.

And so with Cracker Barrel, I can see people getting upset and going, hey, wait a minute, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Let's not change this too.

Can we just leave things alone for just a while?

Because everything else in life is changing.

And I do believe that maybe Cracker Barrel is in this.

this carve out of leave it alone, leave it alone.

But everything else is becoming.

Did you see the, what is the,

what's the logo now that,

or the, is it McDonald's?

That is just having the M on the side of the.

I mean, it's very small.

Have you seen that?

Yeah, a lot of the, like, that's been, I've seen that complaint around too, that, like, you know, there was a time where, you know, all the characters were all over the building and the colors were all over the building and it was this exciting, fun place for kids to go.

And now it's just this sort of like bland minimalist.

But you know what that is.

You know what that is.

Millennials, not millennials, Z in particular,

they do not like brands.

They don't like corporate brands.

That time is over.

You remember when, I mean, it wasn't too long ago that if it was a brand, I mean, do you remember when the Ralph Lauren polo pony was little and then it became like half of the shirt was polo pony?

And you're like, okay, Ralph, slow down, calm down just a little bit.

Logos were so overdone

that

now youth, they don't like that corporate thing.

They don't like it.

So I can see that for the youth, times are changing.

You know, I've been thinking about this a lot lately.

We are living in a time

that is as dramatic as it was when the car.

came in.

The horse and buggy was gone.

Electricity started.

You know, refrigeration was there.

That is the kind of change we're living in.

And we're the ones who are like, you know, I used to plow those fields by hand.

And anybody who doesn't strap it to the back of a horse, they don't know what life is.

That's who we are.

Because everything is changing.

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Okay, so yesterday,

Beth Bath and Beyond came out with a statement from their new executive chairman, and he said, we will not open or operate retail stores in California.

This decision isn't about politics.

It's about reality.

California has created one of the most over-regulated, expensive, and risky environments for business in America.

It's a system that makes it harder to employ people, harder to keep the doors open, and harder to deliver value to customers.

What part of that isn't true so far?

I can't wait to talk to this guy.

The result, higher taxes, higher fees, higher wages,

and many businesses simply cannot sustain and endless regulations that strangle growth.

Even this,

even the

state of, I can't read this, it's so blurry

oh even the state when they announce budget surplus it's built on the back of ordinary citizens who are paying too much and businesses who are squeezed out until they break at

bed bath and beyond our responsibility is to our customers and shareholders and we will not participate in a system that undermines both Instead, we're investing in California strategy that works, 24 to 48 hour delivery and in many cases, same-day service.

Californians will continue to get products they love through bedbath and beyond.com, but without the inflated costs created by an unsustainable model.

We're taking a stand because it's time for common sense.

Businesses deserve the chance to succeed.

Employers deserve jobs, employees deserve jobs that last, and customers deserve fair prices.

California system delivers the opposite.

That's why Bed Bath and Beyond will serve California customers directly through bedbathbeyond.com on our terms with the best interest at heart.

Well, that didn't

go well.

That didn't go well, at least for Governor Newsom.

So he issues this.

After their bankruptcy and closure of every store, like most Americans, we thought Bed Bath and Beyond no longer existed.

We wish them well in their efforts to become relevant again as they try to open a second store.

Then, Bed Bath and Beyond.

Again, the CEO responds.

Dear Governor Newsom, I thought your post would suggest we bring business leaders together to understand how to improve the four pillars and friction of business and find a way to make it better.

One, streamline regulation, consistent, simplified compliance rules across state and local levels.

Two, balanced labor environment that's good for employees and employers.

Three, litigation reform, reducing abusive lawsuits while keeping protection for workers.

Four, competitive tax and cost structure, incentives to come as opposed to dissentives to leave.

Also, we bought the IP two years ago.

We built bedbathandbeyond.com into a billion-dollar online business.

We're targeting opening 300 small to mid-sized neighborhood stores throughout the Kirklands investment.

You're a smart man, and I know the post that you just posted was posted out of frustration.

Really, really.

I couldn't have done it.

I couldn't have done it.

Nope.

I posted, preach it, Marcus.

Since I was a kid growing up in Seattle, I wanted to work and live in California, but now as an adult and a businessman, I realize I will never be able to do it.

Your message makes me sad as I have always seen California as a place for dreams and dreamers.

Perhaps sometimes in the future, reason will return to the golden state.

I was lying there.

It's not going to happen.

Not going to happen.

It's just not going to happen.

No,

we should maybe dive in at some point today, Glenn,

of how many different Gavin Newsoms there are.

Every three weeks, this guy's unveiling a new personality.

It's so bizarre.

I mean,

this angry social media guy, it was like two months ago.

He was sitting with Charlie Kirk and praising him.

It's bizarre.

Anything to win.

Yeah.

Anything to win.

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Marcus Limonis, he is the chairman, executive chairman of Bed Bath and Beyond, and he's currently in

some sort of a fight, if you will.

I don't think he's fighting it.

I think he's reacting like a gentleman and a businessman with his responses to Governor Newsom.

But he's in this argument with Governor Newsom because he said yesterday, Bed Bath and Beyond just cannot do business in California anymore.

It's just too expensive.

It's just too over-regulated.

It no longer makes sense for Bed Bath and Beyond.

Welcome to the program, Marcus.

Good morning.

How are you?

I'm very good.

I'm very good.

I just want to point out before we go, because I think this is important to say, because you started...

yesterday saying this is not about politics.

And I just want to point out that you're not a Trump supporter.

You know, in 2017, you came out, and I'm not going to go through it because you went back and forth and corrected and everything else.

But, you know, you criticized what Donald Trump said in Charlottesville when it was thought that he had said, you know, hey, and the Nazis are pretty good too, which we now know because the full audio and video is out, and we can show that that's not what he was talking about.

at all.

But you came out, as did a whole buttload of other CEOs, and said, you know, if that's what you believe, then, you know, please, we don't necessarily want you shopping here.

So it's not that

you are doing this because you're a big Trump supporter.

I, when I saw your name attached to this, I thought, no, no, this is about business because he's not on either side here on this.

Yeah, I'm not on either side.

But I will tell you, yeah, it's kind of accurate from a historical standpoint.

It's not accurate from a modern day standpoint.

I think as time has gone on and the facts have been revealed and things have played out and moves have been made by this administration that I think advance business and advance the American

citizen in a way that I think it puts us back on track, I would say that I feel very differently today than I used to.

And that's really not an emotional reaction.

That's an intelligent reaction of just looking at what the administration is doing to try to deregulate business, not to the disadvantage of a worker and not to the disadvantage of anybody, but to the advantage of capitalism in our country and to the advantage of investing in American business.

And just as a reminder, Glenn, and you and I met a long, long time ago

when I had the profit at CNBC, that

my other business is Camping World.

And I've been through Helenbach.

trying to defend the flag from the same kind of ideology that I'm seeing out of California, which is your flags are too big,

they're not approved, and

anybody does a little research, they'll see that cities have sued me, cities have threatened to take me to jail, and the flag still hasn't come down.

So what you'll find with me is that I try to be really pragmatic.

I also happen to be

a resident of Chicago.

And if anybody wants a preview to the movie of what's going to happen in New York City,

come to my apartment on Michigan Avenue and I'll give you a preview to what's happened and how socialism is just crushing not only my personal property, but other businesses around me.

So I would say as one gets smarter and one gets older and one learns more and one listens, you know, you evolve as a human.

And

I want to make sure that we're clear about that.

I have to tell you,

it doesn't change my point of view that this is about business, but I'm so glad you cleared that up because

You know,

that's all people should be striving for is when there are new facts available, you will actually say, oh, wait a minute, I didn't see that.

I didn't know that.

Or

things are changing.

I was wrong.

And that's so rare.

So thank you for that.

You know,

let me give you another slam from the left or from the people on Twitter and even Gavin Newsome.

Oh, this is, you were out of business and this is just a business move to get your name out there.

That's the only reason why you're taking California on.

Well, let's talk about that.

So, number one, you know, I took over a company called Overstock about a year and a half ago.

And Overstock was a business that's been out there a long time.

And they bought the intellectual property in the fall of 23 from the bankrupt estate of Bed Bath and Beyond.

And the reason that I took it over is that the company had lost its way and was losing a lot of money.

And I made a commitment to the shareholders that we would get back to profitability.

And as part of that, Bed Bath and and Beyond is a significant underpinning of that.

And so I needed to remind both Governor Newsom and other folks who

were celebrating the fact that Bed Bath and Beyond had gone out of business.

We're celebrating the fact that Bed Bath and Beyond had filed bankruptcy.

And it is true.

It's a fact.

It happened.

As I told Hannity last night, it happened.

The reality of it is, is that America's built on the modern day comeback.

And we've invested hundreds of millions of dollars in Bed Bath.

We've run a billion-dollar online business.

We bought a business called Kirklands that's out of Jackson, Tennessee, a family business.

And we're using those 300 stores to convert.

414 of them are in California.

I was disappointed to see Governor Newsom, in my opinion, just from a level of professionalism, instead of saying, you know what, I don't agree with your points.

And I think you're doing this for the wrong reasons and whatever he wanted to say.

However, Kama, I'd love to figure out how you and a bunch of other business leaders can tell me, as the governor of the fourth largest economy in the world, which he likes to remind us every single day, how to make it the third largest economy and what I could do, what things are out there that I'm willing to compromise on or that I'm willing to help understand that will drive investment back into my state, that will drive capital back into my state, that will fill commercial real estate that's empty back into my state to appreciate commercial properties, residential properties, and to drive value.

Because as a governor of a state, my job is to protect my people.

I get it.

Fine.

But also to create positive cash flow for my state, which means I generate more than

I spend, but I don't want to do it on the backs of just creating another nonsensical tax.

I didn't get that.

And that's really what has made me

convinced that Governor Newsom is not doing things for the benefit of California.

He's doing things because he thinks that his so-called base is going to rally around his nonsense.

So, can you have you heard from other CEOs in the last 24 hours?

Have you heard from anybody else in California?

You don't have to name names, but

I have.

I've heard from very, very significant tech leaders in the state of California asking if there's a way for them to set up a meeting with Governor Newsom and myself.

Of course, the answer is yes.

But they all acknowledge the silliness behind avoiding capitalism and rejecting capitalism as it's this dirty word.

And everybody that wants to make money or who's experienced success is a bad person.

And that seems to be the theme that's coming out of the governor's office, particularly with his, I guess it's his intern-run

pressroom Twitter account or whatever it's called these days.

So this is not a final decision with you.

He could do something

to change your mind.

I think if Governor Newsom

was really thinking about a political run and running a state that he believes is the superior state in the country, he would invite myself, maybe not me, maybe I'm not qualified to be in a room with him, but other CEOs to say, hey, I'm hearing this.

And I want to learn and I want to change, much like I said to you at the beginning of our conversation.

What facts do I not have and how can you convince me how I can do better, how I can learn more?

That's the sign of a good leader.

That's a leader that I want to follow.

And that's, I think, even if you just take a look at our current presidents, I think he's got a different tone in his second term than he does his first term.

And I couldn't be convinced otherwise.

It feels far more collaborative.

And that's what I'm looking for.

Let me play the opposite side here for a second and say what Trump is doing.

I see the regulation.

I see what he's doing to business.

And it is, thank God, it is a,

I can finally breathe again as a businessman.

However, if I'm in your business, I would assume you get a lot of material,

a lot of your products from China.

How are the tariffs affecting you?

Well, we diversified the sourcing of our products.

And the one thing that when I came in

made it a bit of a mandate, and it's a balance between providing value to our shareholders and doing what I think is right.

You know, I come from the RV world where we make everything in Elkhart, Indiana, and we employ, you know, tens of thousands of people that make products in this country.

But there are parts and pieces that come from overseas.

And the reality of it is that until manufacturing in the U.S.

is set up and can handle the capacity, that in the short term, there is an alternative sourcing.

And that applies to furniture and lighting and certain textiles coming from around the globe.

And the tariffs are not great.

And I don't think that Trump would even try to defend that they're great.

It's a rebalancing act.

But Glenn, here's the thing that I mentioned on Big Money the other day.

If you're really thinking about the triangulation of how Trump is approaching rebalancing everything, whether it is using energy as the leverage to bring Ukraine and Russia to the table or using tariffs to bring other world leaders to the table, it's all really being done, in my opinion, to recalibrate America's position both politically and financially in a way that that

maintains our dominance.

You know, I think that is, I think you are spot on, and you're seeing that with the way he handled Ukraine.

You know, he went in tough with the tariffs over in Europe and with NATO.

He was tough with them.

And then

he then said, you want to support Ukraine?

You can buy this stuff from us, but you have to do it, but we'll provide it to you.

And now look at all of the world leaders are at the table.

America is is leading again, just not spending all the money and doing all the work.

We are in the actual leadership position, which is remarkable.

And I think he's doing that

in every category.

Listen, I think the one thing that this administration can acknowledge is that the national debt is at a level that nobody believes it should be at and the deficits at a level that nobody believes it should be at.

And

it's a very complicated, but not overly complicated math equation.

We have a certain amount of money leaving and we have not enough money coming in.

And the way that you rejigger that is to find the balance.

And

nobody that I know, including myself, is going to argue that the tariff execution in the last six months has been perfect.

Like, I don't even think this administration would acknowledge it's been perfect.

It's been herky jerky on the markets.

It's been herky jerky for business leaders.

And at some point, we all hope and pray that it finds its footing at some point.

And I'm not going to, nobody should try to convince anybody that the consumer isn't going to be slightly pinched.

But the balancing act of being slightly pinched on the tariff side is what sort of relief could happen on the variable interest rate side.

And that's why you see this other piece being triangulated around where's the monetary policy and how could that be modified to provide the relief to offset.

Let me ask you, are you as a

pretty influential business leader, are you,

what's your outlook look like for the first half of next year?

People are kind of holding back, holding their breath, not sure what to do.

Are we headed towards better times or same kind of times or worse times, do you think?

I think we're headed towards, unfortunately, probably a little bit more of the same.

What may be extracted from that is a little bit of the volatility.

The consumer does have a significant amount of debt and they do have a significant amount of pressure on them with the interest rates.

The balance on the interest rates are you can't just rip them down by two points tomorrow.

That's going to create chaos.

You have to stair-step it down.

And, you know, like in retail or in any business, you test and you measure and you test and you measure.

And I think what Trump has been saying and what Bessett's been saying is we just got to get some relief for consumers.

One point, Glenn, that I want to make.

Inflation during the COVID period was a function of too much money in the system, too much free money in the system, and demand outpacing supply.

In this particular instance, we don't have a demand outpacing supply problem.

We have a reset of the cost of goods problem.

And it's a different type of inflation.

And some people have said to me, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

There's only one type of inflation.

And the truth is, that's not right.

Inflation driven by demand outpacing supply.

is a runaway train.

Inflation, because you're resetting and recalibrating prices when supply and demand are relatively tight in nature

is an adjustment period.

It's transitory.

And you have to really look at the difference between the two.

And I think the Fed needs to understand the difference between those two.

Again, that's why business leaders should be far more involved.

Marcus, it's great to talk to you again.

And I have to tell you, I think that's the first time anybody said this inflation is transitory that I've agreed with.

Really great analysis on that.

Thank you so much.

Marcus Limonas from Bed Bath and Beyond.

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Hello, Angela.

Hi, how are you?

I'm very good.

So

you're a member of the Z generation?

Yeah, right on the line.

I was born in 94.

So sometimes I call myself a millennial, sometimes a Gen Z.

Depends on it.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

So what's on your mind?

So I actually am from Tennessee.

I live in Texas now, married military for 10 years.

And

I just wanted to talk about some of the things that I'm disappointed in

when it's come to my constant support for Trump since 2016.

And

Glenn, my parents took me when I was in eighth grade.

This was in 2008 to the protest in DC

protesting Obamacare.

So I even had to sign the contract that I wouldn't become a liberal when I went to college.

Yeah.

Yeah, okay.

All right.

So you've been, you've been, you've been deep in.

Got it.

Yes.

And then even as an adult, you know, a young adult, I followed you, listened to you, my husband and I both.

But I think there's some concerns that I have

with Trump and how I'm kind of feeling betrayed.

You know, when I was in graduate school, the moment that my professors found out, you know, I was pro-life, and I was studying political science, American government in graduate school.

The moment they found out that I was pro-life, I voted for Trump, they actually tried to take my degree away from me.

Oh, my gosh.

Yes, they kept failing my exit exam,

and they had no reason why they were failing my exit exam to get my master's.

Eventually, the decision did get appealed based on there was no credibility to their decision.

And then, and that was hard.

I mean, really, my, all of my cohort kind of turned on me.

My professors didn't want to speak to me anymore.

And then once I

went into research, I started working in Austin,

went into research for the military.

You're a glutton for punishment, aren't you?

Right.

The moment I said, you know, here comes the new election, right?

The most recent one.

And I'm saying, you know, I think I am going to vote for Trump.

I was completely ripped by all of my colleagues publicly.

Everything changed.

I started noticing bias.

And so eventually I did leave and got another really great job working with a more Christian company.

But I think here's some of my concerns is, you know, I went through, I had to fight for my degree, right?

I fought to get my degree.

I fought to have a really good good job.

I was working my dream job in research

for DOD research.

And I got punished over and over for supporting somebody that I really believed would make this country great.

Truly believe that in my heart.

But as somebody that is now seeing

AI taking over our military with all these billion-dollar contracts, you've got leaders being inducted into the military as lieutenant colonels that work for big AI companies.

You've got children in God that, you know, I'm Gen Z millennial, so I'm looking at Instagram at the end of the day, right?

So I'm scrolling and I'm seeing what's happening over there.

And I'm like, how is it that my husband and I are making good money, you know, doing

good work for our community, for our country, and yet it's costing us about $12,000, $13,000, $1,400 a month to feed our kids.

When we go out on a date, it's about $150,

you know, just to have a good meal, go to a good restaurant.

Oh, and then we've got to pay somebody to watch our kids.

We can't buy a house.

And trust me, we've tried

because we have credit card debt that they keep raising the interest.

I get emails all the time, hey, there's going to be a new change in your credit card.

Raising the APR, I think it started out at like 2%.

It's 18 on my credit cards now.

Can't qualify to buy a house.

I've got too much student loan debt, which the Republican Party, I feel like, almost makes fun of me for coming out of Appalachia from East Tennessee, being a first-gen college graduate.

It's almost kind of like I get made fun of for choosing that path because, oh, you know, going to college is stupid, going into debt.

Well, well I was 17 when I signed that dotted line and I promise you coming from the small town of Mountain City Tennessee if I were ever gonna make anything of myself I had to sign and my parents encouraged it because they had nothing to give me nothing to offer me I had no support so When I signed on that dotted line, I really believed that that degree was going to get me a good job.

I was going to be able to buy a house one day, raise a family.

And here I am at 30.

I'm 30 now,

thinking in debt, not able to buy a house because the mortgage would be about $1,500

more than what I pay in rent.

So I don't actually really own anything.

If I buy a decent car, you know, the interest rate right now is 10, 11%.

But if I buy a used car, it's really no different and it's going to give me me problems down the road.

So I'm trying to raise my kids in a God-fearing home,

but I feel like

the Republican Party and I just aren't really relatable anymore.

That

although I don't believe in the liberal ideas that, you know, you touch on about not letting people you know, be who they are and making, you know, criticizing our police and our military and wanting open borders.

I don't believe in any of that.

But why is it that I'm starting to relate to some of the things that liberals are saying when it comes to the quality of life, where I feel like the Republicans just don't even want to hear me out on that anymore?

Can you be specific on what the quality of life is that you're hearing from the left that you agree with?

Yeah, so

two things really pop up.

And the first one is how much money we're spending in other countries, right?

So when October 7th happened in Israel, I fully supported their right to defend themselves.

But do you know how hard it is to see billions of dollars of our taxpayer dollars that and it's a lot of money.

I mean, I'm 30 years old and I get 30,000 taken out in taxes here in Texas, 30,000 a year.

And that's by myself.

And I owe.

Actually, this is the first time I've ever owed taxes in my life.

But then I see all this stuff going on in Gaza.

I'm a mother.

I'm like,

what are we doing?

Like, what's the end game?

Why isn't that money being invested back here?

And then the second thing is like a living wage.

You know, I work luckily because I have a master's degree.

I'm not an entrepreneur.

My dad tried that.

Didn't work for him.

I always felt like...

My acts of service would be getting a graduate degree in political science, advocating work in nonprofit settings, health systems, things like that.

So I am lucky that I have a really good wage.

And I would argue that I, you know, paid the piper.

I did the work.

I got a master's degree, et cetera.

That cost me a lot of money, by the way.

But,

you know, I work with people that are still making the minimum wage still in Texas is $7 an hour, right?

And I see how much it costs just for me to go to a cheap grocery store like Aldi and try to feed my family family and my kids.

And then to hear that somebody in this country is still making $300 a week on one job and then they're taking up a second job,

I'm wondering like,

why is it Republicans don't ever want to take an interest in the conditions of people that are working?

And the CEO that you just had on, yeah, the consumer doesn't buy your products anymore because we don't have any money to spend.

Everything's expensive.

Rent is expensive.

I don't believe in government regulation, but

when landlords are allowed

to charge $3,000 a month for an apartment in a zip code where people are still making seven bucks an hour,

I'm just like, well, at what point do we ask the government to step in?

Because obviously, All of this is in the interest of money.

And guess what?

My generation doesn't have it to give.

And we would like to have it.

We're we're working hard to have it we thought we did the right thing by going to college and you know doing making those decisions at a young age and here I just turned 30 so I'm you know fresh not really fresh out of college but been in the workforce for about you know seven years and I'm telling you I literally still can't afford to have a decent and when I say decent that means a home with bedrooms for my kids good food in the fridge, a decent car to drive to work with my kids in the car,

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Okay.

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We're talking to Angela in Tennessee.

And Angela, I want to make sure that

I have exactly what you said

that I heard you right.

First of all, this is what I'm hearing you say.

I'm really, really tired.

I'm tired.

I've been punished

for

voting for somebody, for standing up for somebody.

And now AI is coming in and changing my husband's business, our life.

You're concerned about

children and what's happening in Gaza.

You make good money and you think you should be able to afford things and you're not because the money just doesn't cover it.

You can't go out on a date without just hammering.

You can't buy a house.

Your credit card debt, which started at two, is now at 18%.

You think that people on the right or Republicans make fun of you because you went to college.

Because, you know, going to college, it was stupid.

Why did you go to college, rack up that debt?

And you you feel now that you worked really hard.

You came from nothing, and nothing's improving.

You feel like you thought you could buy a house by now, and you can't.

You don't own anything.

You're trying just to raise your kids,

and you don't feel like anybody on the right is listening to you.

They're not, they just, they're not relatable to you at all.

And you're starting to believe that the left has a better answer because they're against spending money elsewhere.

They're talking about a living wage and you don't believe in big government, but rent control is also starting to make sense to you.

Do I have that right?

Have I covered everything?

Absolutely.

That's any

Epstein files and feeling betrayed by that.

Yeah, I think that covers all of it.

Okay.

Let me add that in, the Epstein file.

I just want to make sure I get to the Epstein files.

First of all, I want you to know you're not alone, Angela.

I think there are millions of people your age, under your age, over your age, that feel exactly the same way.

In many ways,

and it's really hard because I cannot relate to

the not being able to afford a house.

You know, I'm older than you are, and I have a very, I'm very blessed to have my job.

And so I can't relate to that, but I will, I do want to relate to this.

I am so tired of all of this.

I am so tired of this.

You know, when you were a kid and you were going to that, I was in the middle of my life fighting for a country that I thought was being lost.

And I really didn't think it was going to be this hard to turn this thing around.

So I can relate to you being tired, not in the same way.

I can relate to you being, feeling like you're punished for,

you know, standing up for somebody that you believe in.

It's

that is unfortunately part of the day.

I don't dismiss it because I have been penalized greatly for

for what I believe and what I say.

It's part of the gig and and you're that's not part of your gig.

That is part of mine.

That's not part of yours.

However,

it's a symptom of the time where we have made absolutely everything political.

And we've got to get out of that to be able to stop feeling punished.

One thing that you did say there on, I feel punished for

standing up for somebody.

It's a really important thing, and I say this from time to time, and I mean it, especially about churches and stuff.

Never join a church because of a person, unless it's Jesus.

Because people are going to let you down every time, every time.

And I know what it's been like to stand up for Trump because you're not, because nobody's arguing about policies.

They're arguing about Donald Trump, right?

You can't have a logical conversation on politics.

You're not talking to anybody.

that wants to talk about politics.

Everybody wants to talk about Donald Trump.

And so it kind of forces you into that position.

And I feel for you on that.

But always stand for something, not someone.

When it comes to AI, again,

I feel your pain.

It's going to get much, much worse, much worse for everybody.

And this is something that I've been warning against since the 1990s, and nobody wants to pay attention.

And still people are not paying attention.

They're thinking, as people always do, and especially if you're in your situation where you have the bills breathing down your neck all the time,

you can't think about tomorrow.

You have to stay thinking about today.

But tomorrow with AI is much, much worse, and things are going to have to change.

That's a different subject.

It won't be rent control.

It will be...

I don't know what it's going to be, but we're going to, people are not going to have a lot of jobs.

And so we're going to have to figure that out because people at the top, very top, are going to get very rich.

And everybody else, including people like me, are going to go, how do I, I don't have a job.

Okay.

Good money doesn't cover it.

You're right.

We're in a situation right now where

inflation, because we spent way too much money, And it's only going to get worse because nobody seems to be caring about the debt.

The real debt is the real problem in this nation at $37 trillion.

We're still spending way too much money and we have no more safety net.

There's no more tricks in the bag to pull out.

It's kind of like the Wizard of Oz, remember, when he says, you know, there's nothing else I can pull out.

I can't give you a heart.

I can't send you home.

That's kind of like the Federal Reserve and the federal government now.

We're all out of tricks in the bag.

Now the hard stuff comes.

And you can't buy a house.

This is probably the most frustrating thing for people your age.

I can't buy a house.

And you can't.

I don't know how people afford.

I go to a drive-in and they'll say $41.

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What do you mean, $41?

That's insanity.

And I think of it all the time.

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We've been talking to Angela in Tennessee.

She is about 30, 31, and she feels exactly like millions of people in America.

She is absolutely not alone.

She has children.

She has a good job.

Her husband has a good job.

She struggled through college because she was a conservative, but she did it because she was born with nothing.

And she knew I could change my life.

And now that college degree doesn't mean much.

And she also is dealing with AI and she's,

you know,

also dealing with massive debt.

She's got credit card debt, 18%.

She can't buy a house.

She feels very, very alone.

And she's just trying to raise her kids, but she doesn't think anybody really relates to her anymore.

And she's starting to believe that maybe the GOP is not the answer.

First of all, let me just say this.

No party is the answer.

No party is the answer, period.

But the left is starting to say, you know, maybe we should stop spending money elsewhere.

Well, that's not true.

That's what they'll have you believe.

And that's honestly what the debt Republicans will have you believe.

They'll say that.

You know, we got to rein in this debt when they're out.

When they're in, they spend.

You know, look at how the Democrats were spending your money.

USAID.

You don't like it spent in Israel.

How did you feel about the overthrow of three different governments, including the Arab Spring

and Ukraine and several others, all on your tax dollars?

You didn't even know about it.

And it was done for political purposes.

So, you know, spending your money, we all agree on none of the politicians are actually serious about doing it.

Shouldn't say none, very few.

She wants a living wage, and she's starting to think maybe rent control is the answer.

Angela,

none of these answers that I can give you, I think, are going to make you feel good in the short term, okay?

Because everything is changing, and we have to change

who we are and our expectations.

You know, my father was born in 1926, didn't have refrigeration, nothing.

Very, very poor, didn't have shoes.

Then the Depression hit.

And up until 1945,

you know, things were not good in America, like really not good in America.

Nothing can compare to what that was like.

By the time my dad was 25, we were just starting to get out of the Depression.

He couldn't serve in the war, so he didn't get the GI bill.

He couldn't serve because

he had flat feet.

He wanted to go in to serve in the Marines, but he couldn't do it.

And so he didn't get any of those advantages.

And then the guys came home.

And for the first five years after the guys came home, it was not good.

But then the

GI bill started to kick in.

They got college degrees.

Things started to look good.

And America was number one in manufacturing.

And everybody thought that was going to go on forever.

And in the 1950s, 1960s, early 1970s, you could afford to buy a home.

Not everybody, but you could afford to buy a home.

When I remember when my dad wanted to get a loan for a house in the 1980s, the interest rate was 18%,

18%.

Why?

Because the government had gone insane in the 1970s.

The 1970s had just reversed everything that we had done in the 1960s.

The car companies were going out of business and because we just lost our mind.

The houses doubled in price because we doubled the income.

We now had double income because we wanted to make sure that women could work.

And so when women worked, everybody was like, well, we can raise the price of everything because now there's two incomes.

I mean,

there's an equal and opposite reaction to every action always.

That's a rule of life.

But those days are over.

at least for a while, and I think maybe for a long while.

You know, the stats, and this doesn't to make you feel good.

The stats are, Stu, the stat of

Gen Z actually doing better

now, the wealth accumulation, can you give me that stat?

Yeah, and you know, this is not

yeah, when it comes to

everybody's individual circumstances, obviously it's much

different.

But this, the, the, I was stunned by this stat.

It was one of the more stunning stats I've seen in the last probably five years.

But basically, it was,

you know, Gen Z and millennial

families or individuals per capita are earning more than previous generations and have more wealth than previous generations by a pretty significant margin over Gen X and even baby boomers at the same time in their life.

Now, a lot of different factors put into that, of course.

Yeah, a lot of different things.

And that's not true for everybody.

And

it doesn't feel that way.

I don't think it feels that way to anyone.

Part of that is social media.

Everybody's comparing themselves.

Here's what I want you to do, Angela, is this is not going to make you feel better, but you have to change your frame of mind because this is not a political thing.

This is really a spiritual battle.

You have to measure yourself not by what you have.

Don't measure your worth by what you have compared to others because that just is going to fuel despair.

You need to start measuring by resilience, adaptability, and progress, your progress, not Facebook compared progress but actual progress where were you last year to this year and then don't measure it just on the accumulation of things it's really super hard but this is a very hard you are the generation you you and Gen Z really is the generation that is the hero generation you were the ones that now like my father in the Depression and a little bit earlier than my father they were the ones who fought the wars and lived through depression and pulled themselves up and died for things that many of them didn't even know really what they were dying for.

They changed the world.

So measure your progress and then understand that small moves compound.

You know, I know you're up to your eyeballs in credit.

There are ways to help you get out of credit, but when you can eliminate debt, and this is something I remember, I must have been six years old when my parents cut their credit cards up and threw them in the fire because our parents learned, my parents learned this lesson then, that these things are just suckholes.

They're going to destroy you.

And they made us swear we would never take out credit cards.

And for a long time, I didn't have a credit card because of that.

Now we're learning that lesson yet again, unfortunately.

But eliminate debt.

Put away, have for a year you have a goal of putting away $1,000.

That, just the discipline of that will compound.

people wait for the perfect moments I know I have done this throughout my life where I wait for the perfect moment don't

prepare through the imperfect ones because that perfect moment will come but not if you're not prepared for it it'll come and then you won't be able to do anything about it your time is coming that's where your hope hope in God and hope that things work out for the better.

They do.

Your time is coming.

Just know what has has value.

And what has value is anything of meaning.

Okay, not milestones.

I'm 30.

I should be here.

That means nothing.

At 40, people are going to find this strange, maybe.

At 40, on my 40th birthday, I said to, looked at my wife and I said, I haven't accomplished a damn thing in my life.

I haven't done anything.

I had not started talk radio or I had just started talk radio.

And I was, I was just scraping by.

I mean, I was living in an 800 square foot foot apartment in my, in, at 40, I'm living like that.

Okay.

Uh, was it 800 feet square feet, Stu?

Was it that big?

If you're lucky, yeah.

It was, it was, you know, 20 something, and he was living in a better apartment than I was.

So, uh, and at 40, I said, I haven't accomplished anything.

By 50, I had.

started two television shows, a successful talk radio show.

By the time I was 50, I think I had 15 New York Times bestsellers,

all in a 10-year period.

By 50, I was very, very tired.

But it happens when your time comes.

It happens if you've done the hard things to be prepared for those things.

And, you know, things are not going to magically fix themselves.

But the people who keep walking through the desert are the ones that get to the oasis.

Just keep walking through the desert.

Angela, I know none of this makes you feel better, but the answer for what we have in front of us, none of them are easy.

None of them are easy.

They're all going to suck.

We have to be there for one another,

not lower our standards, but change what we find value in.

And I will tell you at 60 now, 62, my kids, my oldest or my youngest kids just moved out of the house and went to college.

And now that I am alone in, quite honestly, a big empty house, my life feels very empty.

I chose to work thinking that A, well, my job is really important.

And B,

you know, I want to give them all the things I didn't have as a kid.

None of that is meaningful at all.

None of that is meaningful.

Do they call their dad?

You know,

do we have all of those great memories together?

I sat on the couch with my son and daughter at Christmastime, and Tanya was looking through her phone at all of these times.

I realized I'm not in most of those pictures.

I was working.

I'm not in most of those pictures.

And that about killed me.

So, value does not come from stuff.

I know that doesn't help.

But

does anything I say to you here imprint on you?

It does.

Yeah, it really does.

Thank you.

I wish I had a magic bullet, but there is no magic bullet.

There's none.

I think the only one

is Jesus, right?

Like leaning on him.

Yeah, I mean, the closer I feel like I get to Jesus, the more I feel at peace with the way things are going.

And you're right.

You know where real value is.

Yeah.

You know where real value is.

You were going to say, you what?

I, you know, we just had to stop tithing 10% because we just had other bills to pay.

And

it hurt me, you know.

Don't.

Don't do that.

May I suggest you don't do that?

I don't think that's that.

Yeah, we turned back on that decision.

Good for you.

You know, started, you know, doing other things to be able to give back at 10% for the both of us, even though it's honestly a mortgage payment.

Because you're right, Gen Z and millennials are making

good money, but I do think...

And it's not all of them.

Yeah.

Keeping the course.

You unfortunately.

You unfortunately, I was in the generation that followed the hippies.

And the hippies are the people like Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton who are still holding on to power.

This is my, this is supposed to be my turn for power, okay?

We didn't get it because they wrecked our childhoods.

They wrecked our country in the 60s.

They wrecked our childhoods.

We had to clean up after them.

And now they're wrecking Washington and they will not let go of power.

And so now my time is coming to an end here, where logically people like me at my age should be in power.

It's going to be handed to you.

My job is to make sure that you are not discouraged by these stupid damn hippies who are trying to convince you that life only has meaning with money and fame and power and

that what they're doing to the country is good.

No, empower people like you so you can rise up and empower and free other people.

But whatever is coming, You just have to, well, your turn is coming.

It is and it's coming faster than you think because you're the ones that grew up with the stuff I don't even understand.

I mean, I can't, I don't know how to work my remote control many times.

It is,

it's a different world and it's your world and your

generation is going to be the one that designs it and brings it into a new chapter.

Not me.

You.

Your time is coming.

It's going to be tough.

But you are an amazing generation that is really going to, I think, free the world yet again.

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So Chip Roy is with us.

I'm going to give you the bad news first.

Chip Roy is leaving the house.

Not good news.

Chip is probably the best fighter out there.

And I hate the fact that he is leaving the house.

Now, I guess the good news is, and I say I guess because,

you know, the guy who is running against him for AG of Texas, Aaron Wrights, he announced his candidacy on my show.

But

Chip, I guess I'm second fiddle.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I don't know.

So, but Chip Roy is here.

Hello, Chip.

How are you?

I'm doing great, Glenn.

Great to be on the show and just deeply appreciate your friendship and all you do for the country.

Likewise, you're a good man.

And I'm really, honestly, I'm very...

Are you certain we can have somebody as good as you in Congress?

Do you know of anybody that can run for your seat?

That can win?

Well, all I can say is this.

Stay tuned.

I think there's going to be some shifting around and some things that will be interesting coming out in the next couple of days.

But the bottom line is this.

The people of Texas are going to make a good decision.

They'll make a good decision about AG.

They'll make a good decision about Texas 21.

When I ran for Texas 21, Glenn, there were 18 candidates in the primary, okay?

So you get out, you go work, you beat the pavement, you go earn the votes.

That's what you do.

That's what I'm going to do statewide.

I've got a proven track record, former federal prosecutor, an undeniably strong conservative voting record with perfect or high 90s scores of virtually every single group that looks at this stuff.

You know it.

Everybody knows it.

When there's ever there's a difference of opinion here and there, it's usually about how you do things, not about the what.

And look, as I'm saying in my launch, I'm unafraid to fight, but I'm unafraid to win.

You got to find the path to winning.

And that's the goal, and that's what I'm going to do as AG.

So what is the path for winning?

Because both of you worked for Ken Paxton, who is now going to be running for Senate.

Both candidates worked for Ken Paxton.

You both have good track records.

What's the path to winning here?

Well, look, again, let all this play out a little bit over time and see what's going on.

But let me just say for the state of the AG's race, I come into this with significant

trusted and proven name ID across the state of Texas.

It is very high.

Our polling is very good internally and externally.

Our relationships run deep.

My track record is strong.

The grassroots that I'm friends with and have been for 20 years out there fighting in the trenches with them, they're strongly supportive.

I've been in a courtroom.

I've been a federal prosecutor putting bad guys in jail.

I did it right up the road from where you are.

I was in McKinney, Texas.

I prosecuted in Plano and Sherman.

And I put drug runners runners and illegal aliens and violent criminals in jail.

I've been in the AG's office.

I have fought those fights.

We have been a part of the litigation going to the Supreme Court.

I know these issues well.

I was the chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution.

I've been elected four times.

I've proven that I can win tough elections against Democrats like Wendy Davis, who I stomped by seven points and was proud to even outperform the great President Trump that year in Texas 21 by beating Wendy Davis.

In other words, I'm unafraid to win.

Deliver on the big beautiful bill.

Work with the president to do it, even though you and I and others had concerns, right?

You got to lead.

You got to take it, land the plane, and then wake up tomorrow and fight some more.

So what are your main, what are the things that you think you can improve on?

Are the things, what are your main priorities if you're Texas AG?

Well, look, I think there are a lot of issues that you and I both care a lot about, right?

There are things like making sure you're there to secure the border and deal with invasions when we don't have someone like Donald Trump in the White House.

Right?

He has returned it to common sense.

But imagine what it looks like when the next time we have a radical president.

You've got to have someone there willing to challenge it and fight it.

You got to have someone there willing to take on Sharia law and the crazy advancement of some of the radical Islam communities like the Epic City issue and those things.

You've got to have someone.

You know what?

Hang on, just say, wait, wait, wait.

You know, Epic City, everybody talks about Epic City.

Houston's worse.

Houston has enormous, enormous Islamist

section of Houston.

I mean, Texas is the last place you would think that they would come, but they're here in droves.

And I'm not talking about Islamic people.

I'm talking about Islamists.

Thank you for that differentiation.

And you need someone like me who has been the chairman of the Subcommittee on the Constitution, who is a reverent defender of our First Amendment rights and religious liberty, but who recognizes that that is not a pathway to allowing Sharia law and the Islamists to advance what is a political a political movement under the basically cloak of religious liberty.

Someone's got to be very smart to do that.

That is very much a priority for me.

It is a priority for me to take on Chinese Communist Party, those who take up Texas lands, big corporations that come in and step all over the little guys, the monopolistic insurance companies and hospital corporations that are out there stomping on your ability to afford health care and everybody in the listeners.

We have so much we need to do to defend the Texas of our dreams, the Texas of our forefathers.

And again, you got to have somebody who's unafraid to win.

You got to find someone who can go in, pick the fights, and then go get it done.

I have to tell you,

I mean, I don't endorse people, Chip.

I just, I don't.

I've learned my lesson on that one.

But I can tell you this.

This is not an endorsement, but I mean, I'd vote for you for dog catcher.

I just think you have proven yourself over and over and over again

to be truly a deep conservative, a constitutional conservative, and that makes a difference.

Election integrity.

Go ahead.

Oh, no, well, thank election integrity is where I wanted to go.

I will just say one quick thing, which is I know like scores in D.C., I mean, it is what it is, like scorecards.

But when you look at my score, Heritage Action, 100%.

Club for Growth, 100%.

Freedom Index, 100%.

American Energy Alliance, 100%.

Turning Point, 96.

I don't know what they did there.

They were probably wrong.

I was probably right on that other one.

Republican Liberty Talk is 100%.

America First Insight, A plus.

Susan B.

Anthony, A plus.

Gun Owners of America, A plus.

Look, I've had to put my reputation on the line.

And then when you get to election integrity, introducing the SAVE Act, getting out there and leading it, getting it passed out of the House, putting pressure on the Democrats, giving us a good election issue because Chuck Schumer is too stupid to do the right thing to advance the SAVE Act, which simply says only American citizens should vote in American elections.

Now I'm working with experts in Washington.

We're going to have what we're going to have a super save or a improved SAVE Act coming out in September where we're going to go even further.

And I've got a press conference on Friday.

Is that tomorrow?

I think it is.

Yeah.

Tomorrow in San Antonio with Tea Party and Jenny Beth Martin and those guys going around the country talking about the need for election integrity.

We're going to lead on this and we're going to win on it.

Can the president do something about, you know, he's talking about getting rid of mail-in ballots.

Can he actually do that at a federal level?

And doesn't the Constitution say specifically on this?

It's up to the states.

Well, look, it depends a little bit on the way Congress has traditionally drafted their laws, right?

And it allows the president some authority there in how we carry out and execute on some of this.

But yes, most of these things are done at the state level.

But Congress is given a great deal of authority on what we can do

as it pertains to our elections, right?

That's the basis for the SAVE Act.

We're not going to go in and tell the states that they have to do X, Y, or Z.

But if you're voting for Congress or the Senate or the presidency, we certainly can have an impact on that.

And then the president in carrying out and executing federal laws has some latitude there on

how they do those things.

But yeah, we got to move hard to get legislation passed.

And that means fighting in Congress on must-pass bills to force Democrats' hands.

I think that if we took the SAVE Act and other similar reforms and tagged it to must-pass pieces of legislation, I think Democrats would crumble.

I think we could get seven Democrats who would have to say, look, we can't stand in the way of a common sense provision for only American citizens to vote and then not fund, for example, our veterans or whatever it is.

Put it on must-pass legislation and fight.

That's what the American people want us to do.

Where are we on, you know, I saw, I thought, a disturbing stat.

Stu and I were talking about earlier.

You know,

the number of people

that were exported or sent back home, what was it, Stu, like 500 people this month?

It was some ridiculous.

It was a slight increase, but it was not the increase you'd just expect from certainly the media attention that makes it seem like it's showing up.

And everybody's like 400 to 500 or something like that.

And it's like,

what?

We should be doing this en masse, but it's not happening.

Why?

Well, so, first of all, I have great faith in Tom Holman and Stephen Miller and what I want to do.

I'm working with DHS.

And I think they're doing all that they know how that they can do.

We're also now just getting getting the benefits of the Big Beautiful Bill to get some of the, and again, you and I had our pros and our cons with that, but one of the pros was additional resources for ICE and border security.

They're now doing that.

They're recruiting, getting people in place.

But this is also why we need permanent reform.

Reform like HR2, reform to our asylum laws, reform to our parole laws so they can't be abused.

And we got to have a lot of people.

Tell me what you can do as AG.

If you're in Texas, what are the things that you can do additionally?

Aggressively work with local law enforcement under 287G programs to be able to work with ICE and work with the feds to execute the law in concert with the governor's office, but also importantly defending the laws when they're under assault, because that's what you do, obviously, as the AG in the courtroom.

But also being really aggressive on how we view the law as it respects to invasion, as it was with respect to other interpretations of the law.

And then importantly, and

I think critically,

we have to, as states, we've got to have significant action to undermine these leftist DAs and leftist judges that are standing in the way of an administration like President Trump to deliver.

We get so caught up, and understandably so, in figuring out how to manage the law and going into court and the rule of law, all of stuff that is front and center for me.

But you've got to take a step back and say, we're Texas, okay?

We do not have to allow unelected judges who misinterpret laws or express their authority, make it to where we have people on our own streets getting killed or taxpayers having to fund massive levels of English as a second language and undermining our public schools or whatever, pick your issue.

So you got to have an AG that's aggressive.

And again, Ken Paxton has been aggressive.

Greg Abbott was aggressive.

But I've got to take that legacy forward and double down and be even more aggressive.

And I think if you know anything about me, it's that I do not shy away from these fights.

I will take them as far as you can possibly take them.

And I don't think anybody can question that.

You know, I think the first time you were on, I asked you the question I usually ask everybody who is going to Congress, how's your soul?

And you gave me a great answer, and your soul was in good shape, and I've watched you, and it feels to me like it's still in good shape.

But let me give you an exit question here now as you're exiting the House.

It was Senator Hatch from Utah that told me just before he was leaving, you know, I've never seen anybody serve here in Washington and leave a better man.

And I'm not sure I have, but have you left worse than you were, better than you were, or is it just a draw you survived?

Look, I view Washington as something that shouldn't affect your soul.

When I went to Washington and I said publicly, and it might have been on your show,

that at the end of the day, like, I don't fear politics.

I fear the Lord.

And Lord knows I'm going to have plenty to answer to when I get there.

I do the best every day like everybody else.

And then I repent, and then I get back in and read scripture and do all the things you're supposed to do because that's what we do as people who have all fallen short of the glory of God, right?

We have all sinned and we all need that redemption.

And I know that.

I recognize that.

And I think that has stayed consistent.

And I'm proud of what I've done in Washington.

And if you ask about where my soul stands, well, the Lord is going to be the judge of that.

But I know that I turn it all over to him.

I know my faults.

I know that I want to be home with my family.

My kids are 14 and 15.

I want to keep fighting the fight, but I'd like to do it from here in Texas.

And the last point I'll make about this, my soul was enriched by the people of Texas when they came together in the wake of those floods and the common faith of the people in Kerrville and throughout the Hill Country.

who came together and grieved and were saddened, but then came together under the cross and under our faith to advance something bigger so that the world knows what strength looks like.

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That's what I want to fight for.

That's the Texas that I want for my kids and my grandkids.

And I'm going to leave everything on the field trying to deliver it.

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Chip, as always, great to talk to you.

Congratulations on

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Calvary Chapel Chino Hills, the founding and senior pastor, Jack Hibbs, is going to be joining us here in just a second.

He has been standing up against the government in California.

Like, I mean, he's a pit bull.

He is a pit bull.

When it came to COVID, oh, he took him on.

He is now talking about a very dangerous bill.

He says it's very dangerous.

I don't know it.

I haven't read it myself.

I want to get the information

him on this.

But he says if this bill passes, you have to grab your kid and leave California for your child's protection.

Wow, that is

quite a warning.

He didn't say that during COVID.

He didn't say that during any other thing.

He's saying that now.

If this passes and the governor signs it, get you and your children out of California.

We're going to talk to Jack Hibbs about that here

in just a second.

How do you feel about Chip Roy leaving the house?

Yeah, I feel the same way you do.

I mean, if he winds up being the attorney general, I think it'll be a very good one, but you hate to lose him in the house.

I will say

go ahead.

Go ahead.

I was going to say,

this is something you've brought up to me before in the past, but when people give you a bunch of very similar numbers and then one's out of step, or like I'm actually the number two or three person, or number three person, you always think of, well, who's number one?

When he went through that whole list of things, he said turning point only has him at a 96 so i went to go see why they had him at a 96

uh only

and it's like a couple of votes that were like 396 to five and he was one of one of the five that voted against it uh there's you know there are three or four bills that are kind of fall into that category but he's got a great voting record and he cares about the constitution he said those things because we've talked to him about it he said those things were about timing or what or how that was done.

He said, I wasn't against those policies.

I was against how it was done.

And so you can, you know, when you have a 95,

I think I can, I think I can cut you some slack on that one.

Again, every other one had about 100.

There's no reason to focus on the 96, but that's exactly what I did while he was talking.

Did you notice

Did you notice what he said when I talked to him about getting somebody, you know, for his house seat?

Did you notice his answer was you should wait for a couple of days see what let's just see how this all plays out you know

maybe there's somebody twice yeah maybe there's somebody around the corner that he knows about or i think it's redistricting oh okay

that's true

very true i mean well that's happening right we know that's happening so yeah um that might be redistricting maybe it's jasmine crockett because she was you know she might lose her seat so maybe she can move in we can get her back in the i want her in the congress glenn i want her i want want her talking more often.

Now, I don't want her voting.

I don't want her really to win.

You want her as the presidential candidate for the Democrats.

Yeah, I want her constantly running for office.

That's really where I've landed on this.

I want Jasmine Crockett running and then losing over and over and over again.

That's my desire for our future.

Unbelievable.

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You know, sometimes I really wish that

the commercial breaks,

what's happened during the commercial breaks, could be heard on the air.

And then there's days like today that I don't.

I mean, it was a full-fledged cracker barrel brawl.

I mean, it was a mostly peaceful brawl in the way that the CNN, you know, riots are mostly peaceful.

It was pretty ugly.

And we're going to be out of time, so we're going to pick that up tomorrow.

Come for me again with your knife, Stu.

I'm on the side of the people

cracker barrel.

Anyway, Jack Hibbs is with us.

He's from Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills.

He's the founding senior pastor, author of Called to Take a Bold Stand, and he's been doing that for a while now.

He's really been doing that.

The book comes out next month, September 16th.

Welcome to the program, Jack.

How are you?

Glenn, thank you.

And thanks for the plug regarding the book.

I just didn't have any idea that Gavin Newsom would help me get this book to the front of the line with all the antics in Sacramento.

I know.

It is crazy.

You have been, you know, we were just talking to Chip Roy, who's now running for Texas Attorney General.

He was in Congress during COVID, and the guy was a pit bull.

And Stu and I were saying, you know, imagine if he would have been governor.

When this was going on, you know, in California with COVID, you were probably

one of the major people standing that really made a difference.

I mean,

that power didn't scare you at all.

Yeah, no.

Listen, I mean,

we had to stand, Glenn, and you know this.

Jesus said, I've set before you an open door that no man can shut.

He spoke that to the churches in the book of Revelation, and I, frankly, I have no authority to shut the doors of the church.

It's his church.

And so we just, we kept preaching, we kept teaching, and lo and behold,

for well over two years, we were

the most populated church for a two-year period of time.

Glenn, we were seeing anywhere from 13 to 15,000 adults on a Sunday morning because people didn't have their churches open.

So they came to our church and we were grateful to teach them.

All right.

You're on today because you said something yesterday that I found astounding.

It's about something called AB 495.

I'm going to have to have you explain that here in a second.

But you went online and you said, if this passes and he signs it in, you as a Californian, you have to take your kids and move out of the state.

That's quite a statement.

Yeah, listen, it made me sick to say it.

It's 100% true.

It's the last thing a pastor wants to say to his congregation.

But it's that bad.

As I explained the bill in a moment to you, it is that bad.

And it's it's not my opinion.

I've been counseled by legal on how bad it is.

And so when I said to the congregation, yeah, if you've got a kid in school, you've got to get out.

If Newsom does not veto this bill, you've got to get your kid out of California for their own safety.

It's that bad.

Okay, so

the left, the media is saying, no, he's making all this up.

Explain what's in the bill and let me play pushback on a couple of places.

Yeah, absolutely.

So number one, it's Assembly Bill 495.

And here's the deal.

It's known as the Compassion Bill.

It's a bill that Celeste Rodriguez and the entire Democrat legislature of California crafted.

And now these are my words.

These words are my own back, the next words.

It's a bill designed to stop the bad orange man.

because it's all about ICE and its operations in California.

And here it is.

If an illegal alien is abducted by ICE

and their child is in a state school or a private school or even a daycare center, then this bill would allow an individual, listen, any individual can go to the website, print out the affidavit from their home.

They're going to be asked a question.

Did you attempt to reach the parents or the custodians or guardians of this child?

Yes or no?

Whatever they check, then they sign their name.

They write their name.

No address is required.

There's no driver's license required.

There is no social security number required.

There's no phone number required.

The person checks the box, signs the name, and then writes down the child's name that they are

withdrawing from the school for the child's own safety under the whole ruse

that their parents or parent was captured by

ICE.

Here's the crazy thing, Bec, Glenn,

is that in California, the California Education Code, we already have this.

It's California Education Code 234.7.

In the event of a child not being able to be picked up or taken into the care of a family member, be it by accident, by death, whatever, we already have this law.

So the reason we are are freaking out about this law and making it loud is the fact that who is that person who downloads and prints out that affidavit?

It can be anybody.

The bill literally states they don't have to be a relation.

It can be anyone who's possessing this affidavit that is downloadable and printable at your own home.

So theoretically, Glenn, somebody could be

down the street from your grandkids or from your children, and they can see that you go to work at a certain certain time of day they know that your kid goes to a certain school they can go to that school with that affidavit extract your child out here's the punchline

because it's an affidavit the school cannot refuse the requester of that child when you Glenn go back to pick up your child at the end of the day the school is under no obligation to tell you who it was or where they went.

And that's why we've got, and I'm not going to name the names yet, but we've got great legal minds that are nationally recognized that have reviewed this bill.

And Glenn, this is so important.

They said in almost everything we do, the devil is in the details, the fine print.

They said, not this one.

This bill is so vague that it would be hard to defend

a parent trying to get their child or find their child because it is so loosely and so broadly written, so vague.

And Glenn, we've been told that is the worst thing that you can have happen in California's government because our legal system, the judges, you name it, it is a dangerous bill, Assembly Bill 495.

How well do people in California know this bill?

Well, I got to tell you, Tuesday we called an impromptu rally at the state capitol and we had 6,500 plus people show up.

So So the sergeant of arms told us that's the largest gathering regarding legislation concern in 30 years.

So, yeah, good question, Glenn.

Thank you.

I'm grateful to agencies like Newsmax and Fox and KFI Radio here in Los Angeles.

But was CBS there?

Was NBC there?

No.

It's all been grassroots.

When people are finding out about it and reading about it, uh they're routing i mean they are getting involved here's the cool thing glenn people showed up they were respectful but they were loud they were smiling but they they made their point we had a series of of speakers attorneys and lawmakers and bottom line is this the bill has now been placed in suspension which means uh they they pulled it from its progress they're gonna reconsider the bill.

Doesn't mean they're stopping it.

They're reconsidering the bill.

They're going to review the bill it could either die in suspension it by august 29th it will either die in suspension or they'll advance it to the senate and then the senate will rubber stamp it because they're all democrats i'm sorry if i'm offending any of your listeners right now

california is a democrat stronghold they have a supermajority they don't even put things to our vote anymore it's no longer we the people in california they rubber stamp things through they get it to newsome and here's what i'm concerned about i hope it dies in in suspension, Glenn, for this reason.

They're getting so much heat.

We've had four Democrat senators tell us

this publicity, that crowd on Tuesday is killing us.

Hey, that's good news.

But I don't want it to go to Newsom's desk because you know what that slide dog will do?

He

may veto it and then come out and say, see how big of a moderate I am?

I put this bad bill away.

So vote for me in 2028.

Glenn, we're going to make sure that the Democrats of California and Newsome at the front of the line wears the scarlet letters of AB 495.

What are your plans now in the next two weeks?

Next two weeks, we got people praying.

We've got a website called realimpact.us.

Please, everybody go to it.

You can get your marching orders there.

Realimpact.us, it's going to show you the progress of the bill.

It's It's going to show you who to call.

What state senator is your state senator?

Give them a call.

Tell them.

Oppose it.

Kill it.

We just didn't rally, Glenn.

We gave people that day after the public speakers, we then immediately held a 30-minute class

at the state Capitol steps.

This is where you go to your legislator.

This is how you lobby them.

And let's go.

And hundreds and hundreds of people went to their state legislator on Tuesday and demanded that their senator and their assembly person speak up against the bill it was absolutely epic again largest crowd in 30 years at the California State Capitol

well Jack thank you for everything that you're doing I I can't imagine what it's like to live in California where it seems like every day they're doing something else to injure the people and and the families of California.

It's why I live in Texas.

I'm moving to Florida.

I'd live in either one of those states.

But man, I could never live in California.

And I've always wanted to live in California.

It was a beautiful, beautiful state.

And now it's just, it's an insane asylum.

Yeah, glad it is.

And, you know, in fact, just flying up there, you know this state well.

Flying up there.

So we left John Wayne Airport.

Absolutely gorgeous.

We flew up the Central Alley.

incredible crop fields growing beautiful.

I could see Half Dome and El Capitan to my right.

We could see the fog along the California coastline to the left.

Coming into Sacramento, again, everything's beautiful, growing fantastic, until you get close enough to the ground to see the devastation that Newsom has allowed to happen to our cities, to our towns.

And even though we're still growing crops in California, that is in spite of his wickedness to cut off water to our growers, to make life here as miserable as possible.

And this guy wants to run for president.

People need to wake up, Glenn, nationally and rally with us because if you don't like California people, you need to help us because Newsom is coming for America.

And he's the worst possible thing.

But Glenn, I'm concerned because he's tall, dark, and handsome, so to speak, right?

He's got the hair.

He's got the voice.

He sounds like Batman.

He's cool looking until you listen to his policies.

The guy's diabolical, and we must stop this advancement of wickedness.

I will tell you, I don't think the rest of America is falling for him.

But then again,

I didn't think that you could have a socialist and Islamist run and win in New York.

So what do I know?

Jack, thank you so much again, everything that you do.

You can go to jackhibbs.com.

What is the other website you just gave me?

Yeah, real impact, like real, reality, real impact, like a punch.

punch, impact.us.

Real impact.us.

Thank you very much, Jack.

Appreciate it.

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Well, look, we'll ultimately let the President of the United States determine where we are after 30 days of this emergency order.

I think that we're going to make a lot of progress over the next 20 days.

I think that we're nine days into this thing.

But if the President of the United States thinks that he has to extend this order to ensure that people have access to public safety, then that's exactly what he'll do.

If he thinks he doesn't have to do that, obviously he'll make that determination.

But what we're going to do is try to empower these guys to do as good of a job as possible to bring public safety and order back to Washington, D.C.

This is the national cultural and political capital of the world's greatest nation and you talk to people, black, brown, white, so many of them are afraid to bring their kids into its public spaces.

It's a shame.

It's a blight.

It actually should make every American ashamed that the world's leading superpower, our national capital, was unsafe for families to walk around at night.

That is a disgrace.

We don't think that it's acceptable.

And thank God we have the presidential leadership to change it.

And that's exactly what we're trying to do.

It's J.D.

Vance talking about what's going on in Washington, D.C.

And he's right.

There's no reason we have to accept that.

There's no reason that has to be

the truth about our capital city.

We kind of just have accepted it for a long time.

At least a lot of people have.

And you kind of sit back and say, well, are they going to do anything about this?

Local leadership didn't want to do anything.

And this is the one place where the federal government really can do something about this city.

And so far they are.

J.D.

Vance also went over some of the early results of these strategies.

We're going to say come and say thank you to the National Guard folks, to the cops for actually keeping this place safe.

If you look at what's happened in Washington, D.C.

in just the past nine days, we've seen a 35% reduction in violent crime.

We've seen over a 50% reduction in robberies.

We are seeing really substantial effects because these guys are busting their ass.

So I want to come here, highlight what they're doing, say thank you in person.

Obviously, pass out a few murders, but most of all, just to invest in the American people, look, we don't have to live like this.

You'll have to excuse the lunatic protesters for trying to talk over that, but what he said was a 35% reduction in violent crime.

So far,

that's really good progress.

You know, it seems like one of those things where if people just care and put some attention toward the problem, it's a problem that can actually be helped and maybe even solved.

This is Glenn Beck.