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Speaker 2 Today's show you don't want to miss because it centers on the show that we ran last night on Blaze TV, an hour and a half special on the JFK archives and the files that came out.

Speaker 2 I can't prove to you who shot JFK or whatever. That's all still out there, but

Speaker 2 that's not what they were afraid when they released this. They were protecting what, not who.

Speaker 2 We put the what together from those archives in a way that I don't think you're hearing anybody else do. And I think it's important because it's exactly what is happening right now in America.

Speaker 2 The same players, the same organizations. You'll find out all about it on today's podcast.
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Speaker 2 I want to give you a theory, and this is just a theory. I don't know yet, but I am,

Speaker 2 I don't trust our intelligence community at all.

Speaker 2 And when it comes to this signal story, I just want to throw something out. And this has really come clear to me as a theory

Speaker 2 that

Speaker 2 this whole signal thing is

Speaker 2 kind of a setup in a way.

Speaker 2 Let me take you back to what we found out through the JFK files. First of all, JFK fires Director Dulles,

Speaker 2 one of the founding members of the CIA. And he does it because there's a Schlesinger memo that comes out and says the CIA is out of control.
It's doing all kinds of stuff.

Speaker 2 It's laundering money through our NGOs, through government institutions. I mean, exactly what's happening today.

Speaker 2 And then he goes after their primary source of global operations,

Speaker 2 which was an agency called the ICA, the International Cooperation Administration. He says, I'm shutting that down.
He shuts it down. Everybody goes crazy.

Speaker 2 You're going to destroy all of the things, the good things we're doing in the world. Does any of this sound familiar? And he opens up USAID instead.
Well, the CIA is like, oh, okay.

Speaker 2 Well, oh, boy, we're really upset. Okay, well, we'll have to live with USAID.
And then they infiltrate that and they do the same thing that the ICA was doing.

Speaker 2 They just start laundering money and doing ops that nobody knows about through USAID, just like they did before.

Speaker 2 We also know from the JFK files that the CIA infiltrated U.S. media outlets.
We know that's happened now. They used media as a weapon.
We know they're doing that now.

Speaker 2 They shaped the opinions and leveraged journalists and their contacts. We know that's happening.

Speaker 2 One of those included a contact tied directly to the then Attorney General RFK.

Speaker 2 They were spying on many people, including Barry Goldwater and RFK.

Speaker 2 They infiltrated private businesses like the airline Pan Ams.

Speaker 2 They also...

Speaker 2 were repeating almost just different names, almost exactly the same pattern, which leads to an assassination on the President of the United States. So I want you to put that in your frame of mind.

Speaker 2 It doesn't mean that what I'm about to suggest to you happened.

Speaker 2 I'm suggesting that maybe we should be very, very careful because we are dealing with one of the most dangerous agencies ever to grace the planet called the CIA and American intelligence.

Speaker 2 So let's go back to Signal. What does this have to do with the latest mistake with Signal? I told you, I've talked to several members of Congress and the Senate that have said they're spying on us.

Speaker 2 We know it. We've even been threatened

Speaker 2 behind closed doors by the intelligence agencies.

Speaker 2 So we know they're spying on our Congress.

Speaker 2 And they have been saying, Congress, the Intel community has been saying, you've got to use these devices because we fear there are things going on with foreign countries.

Speaker 2 Well, the way you would handle that is not to

Speaker 2 send out signal and install signal from a private corporation and install it on everybody's computer in the administration. You wouldn't do that to everybody's computer in the House and the Senate.

Speaker 2 You would say, you use this because this is our secured router, right?

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Signal itself has an interesting background. It was developed by an organization called Open Whisper Systems.
They received millions of dollars in government funds. Wait a minute.
What?

Speaker 2 They received millions of dollars in government funds to create Signal.

Speaker 2 The funds flowed from, wait for this one, the Open Technology Fund, a government organization that was created back in 2012 under the Obama administration under Radio Free Asia.

Speaker 2 Now, Radio Free Asia, what is that? That's a message into China saying, hey, things aren't really like they're telling you.

Speaker 2 Why did the CIA, through Radio Free Asia, create signal, something that has nothing to do with broadcasting information into China, right?

Speaker 2 And where did Radio Free Asia, have we heard about that in the last two weeks?

Speaker 2 Yes, the Trump administration just closed Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe, because they said they were direct weapons of the CIA during the Cold War, and then it is morphed into a direct weapon against us.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So the connection between the CIA and organizations like Radio Free Europe and Asia is well documented.

Speaker 2 And then they take funding through Radio Free Asia and they develop something with government money that the CIA is involved in and create the signal messaging app.

Speaker 2 And then that same CIA, which we now know has been doing things to create revolutions not only around the world, but inside the United States, and they are desperate to hold on to power, they install that signal app.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 3 All right.

Speaker 2 Also, another coincidence, Wikileaks published Vault 7 that stated the CIA had tools that

Speaker 2 let them access Signal and WhatsApp. Tucker Carlson went through this.
Remember when he said, I've been hacked? My signal messages were hacked by the NSA. Now, maybe it was random luck for Goldberg.

Speaker 2 you know, a major opposition journalist, randomly got into the government cabinet-level signal group chat. Okay.

Speaker 2 And maybe the CIA no longer infiltrates the media anymore like they did in the 60s. And maybe they no longer infiltrate U.S.
private companies anymore like they did in the 60s.

Speaker 2 And maybe they don't surveil presidential campaigns anymore like they did to Barry Goldwater or RFK or forget about this one, the one they did to Donald Trump. Maybe that was the exception.

Speaker 2 And it's also probably just a big coincidence that the intelligence community apparently thought so highly of the signal app that they immediately rushed to install it on on every device when we're worried about leaks.

Speaker 2 And they did it for everyone in the government. You want to have any secret conversations? It'll disappear.
Here, put it on this device. And by the way, we can't get into it.
Nobody can.

Speaker 3 Huh.

Speaker 2 And maybe all of this is a coincidence that this story was released the day before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence met for hearings.

Speaker 2 I mean, what a perfect storm of good luck for those who stand

Speaker 2 against freedom.

Speaker 2 I'm not sure it has anything at all to do

Speaker 2 that this story dominated the entire hearing or how it caused even conservatives to claim that the Trump administration has committed a huge mistake.

Speaker 2 And maybe it did, but there are too many smoking guns around this one to take it at face value.

Speaker 2 And I'm not really saying this to you as much as I'm saying this to the President of the United States and the administration. You must find out,

Speaker 2 did Waltz

Speaker 2 actually,

Speaker 2 accidentally fat finger and put the Atlantic journalist on that? What actually happened? And it is important for the administration to not use the WhatsApp

Speaker 2 because that is a false sense of security. You may not be feeding our enemies overseas, but you may very well be

Speaker 2 feeding our enemies that are not foreign, but domestic.

Speaker 2 I think we should all be careful on what's happening here. We brought Jason Buttrill in.
He is a military and global affairs expert, and he is also the head writer of the Glenn Beck TV program.

Speaker 2 Welcome. How are you, Jason?

Speaker 4 Good, Glenn. Thanks.

Speaker 2 So your thoughts on this.

Speaker 4 I think that the CIA ⁇ so to clarify some of the CIA connections through Signal, what's interesting is just like USAID, they don't like publicly state, oh, the, you know, the CIA is using USAID to pull off soft power, you know, and regime change things all over the world.

Speaker 4 It's equally you know, fuzzy as far as you know, how much funding and direction they're giving organizations like, you know, Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe.

Speaker 4 Back in the day, it was not fuzzy at all. It was well documented.

Speaker 4 Then when they changed it and they did a lot of manipulation around, we kind of like not we're not exactly sure how involved the cia is and that's one of the

Speaker 2 as long as they have a back door and what mike wall said on nbc the other day i i i don't know this for sure but what he said on nbc and let me see if i can find this exact quote here um

Speaker 2 he said

Speaker 2 a staffer wasn't responsible you have somebody else's number on somebody else's contact so of course i didn't see this guy in the group. It looked like someone else.

Speaker 2 Now, whether he did it, a staffer, deliberately, or it happened in some other technical mean is something we're trying to figure out.

Speaker 2 What he's saying is the CIA might have just gone in because they have full access and they could change things. They could make one number look like another person

Speaker 2 and they could have added it and nobody would have known. And there's no fingerprints because it's a CIA and they have access into that app.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 4 Let me put it into this context. Imagine it's not the government for just a second.

Speaker 4 Imagine if you work at a company and the company who is known to, you know, use your emails and all that stuff against you.

Speaker 4 Let's just say, you know, there's, I don't know, some kind of employment issue and they pull up your email.

Speaker 4 Or maybe they even put up some text messages. If they said, you must put this app on all of your phones, would you be suspicious about that?

Speaker 4 Would you think that,

Speaker 4 and I say that because personally, I've worked for a company in the past where they were like you have to use a phone that has this protocol on it and I was like that's weird like why do I have to use this phone?

Speaker 4 I want to use another phone. No, you have to use this phone that has this protocol on it.
Well, I asked one of our IT guys later again, this is another company.

Speaker 4 I went back and he goes, oh, well, let me show you why. He took me back to the servers and he pulled up every a folder on every single person in the company that worked there.

Speaker 4 He clicked into it and it gave him access to every single person's phone. He could read their text messages.
He could see the photographs. He could see everything.

Speaker 4 This is very obvious basic stuff if you know about IT and like in mobile stuff in general

Speaker 4 or how exchange services work. Now,

Speaker 4 in that context, does this make any sense?

Speaker 4 Does it make any sense that the government, the people that are supposed to be the most suspicious, the CIA, NSA, all that people, all those people, just blanket trust this phone application?

Speaker 4 It makes no sense.

Speaker 3 Why would you use it?

Speaker 2 Even if they did put it on your phone, why would you ever use it, right?

Speaker 4 Like, I would be very very suspicious of that arrangement. Why wouldn't you say, hey, DARPA, just create for us a private encrypted messaging system? And we have one.

Speaker 3 We have one, Jason. We do have one.

Speaker 2 Also, also,

Speaker 2 the policy to make sure that signal is on all devices for government officials, that goes back to a CISA recommendation.

Speaker 2 Can you just remind people who the CISA is, Jason?

Speaker 4 Oh, what's it stand for? Hang on, let me pull it up.

Speaker 2 I don't remember what it it stands for either.

Speaker 4 But it is, it is cybersecurity, basically.

Speaker 2 Yeah, it's the cybersecurity arm that was put together under the Biden administration that we have found is absolutely nefarious.

Speaker 2 They were the ones that were spearheading a lot of the spying, a lot of the disinformation. They were the ones working directly with the

Speaker 2 big social apps to force them and say, hey, hey, hey, stop with this.

Speaker 2 Their fingerprints are all over almost everything that is bad. They're not protecting the American people.
They are monitoring and hoaxing the American people.

Speaker 2 Why would we trust Signal if

Speaker 2 they're the ones that said, oh, yeah, no, you can trust it. Go ahead.

Speaker 4 Yeah, Claude, you bring up a big point.

Speaker 4 Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency, they're the ones that were outed a big time expose by Michael Schellenberger, who are right at the center of the censorship regime,

Speaker 4 going through social media posts and getting people banned during the Biden administration. Just absolutely amazing.

Speaker 2 You don't trust it. No government official, and I don't think you should either, you should ever use Signal.
It's clearly a government-sponsored or government

Speaker 2 collusion or government-hacked app. Don't trust it.
In your opinion.

Speaker 2 In my opinion.

Speaker 3 Thank you, Stu.

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Speaker 2 We welcome our executive producer, Stubergeere, and Shane Stevens, the grandson of Billy Solestis. Hello, Shane.
How are you?

Speaker 3 I'm wonderful. How are you?

Speaker 2 I'm good. It was interesting, and I don't mean that in a bad way.
It was really interesting meeting you when we got together to listen to the tape.

Speaker 2 Your story of your grandfather, I still don't know if I fully understand it, but it is fascinating what you and your family have gone through, beginning with your grandfather.

Speaker 2 Can you begin to tell me first who your grandfather is or was and what happened to him?

Speaker 3 Absolutely. Yeah, so my grandfather was Billy Saul Estes,

Speaker 3 And the Estes family, that goes back to, you know, 1800s, they were co-founders of the town of Clyde, Texas, and still have a farm out there to this day as part of their original homestead. And,

Speaker 3 you know, he grew up poor with a bunch of brothers and sisters in Clyde. And he was given a, I think, a pig for his maybe eighth or ninth birthday.

Speaker 3 And then that turned into a whole flock of lambs by the time he was 12 or 13. Then at 16, he had a a huge herd of cattle.

Speaker 3 And, you know, he basically just always had a business mind and wanted to be something. And

Speaker 3 he started,

Speaker 3 I think it was Roosevelt, perhaps, that he was sending letters to about the grain shortages and the droughts in Texas. And so he helped

Speaker 3 auction that off. And

Speaker 3 just he became one of the top 10 outstanding young men under the U.S. Chamber of Commerce by the time he was in his mid-twenties.
And then

Speaker 3 by the time 1960 or 62 rolled around, he was worth 400 million.

Speaker 3 So he built an empire out in West Texas and started, came from nothing, and, you know, sadly ended up passing away with nothing because it was all taken away.

Speaker 2 And let's go into that before we go into the story of the tape and the assassination. Let's go into that.
Your grandfather ended up going to prison. Why did he go to prison?

Speaker 3 So that was

Speaker 3 a trial to where in the early 60s, you had two big scandals going. One was the Billy Saul Esta scandal, and the other one was the Bobby Baker scandal, both of them surrounding LBJ.

Speaker 3 And there were a lot of other folks involved in pay-to-play with LBJ here in Texas. But

Speaker 3 these were the two that the Kennedys, and really I think Bob BSAG and

Speaker 3 JFK were focused in on. And so they sent somewhere between 50 and 60 60 FBI agents down to look into my granddad and his dealings with

Speaker 3 LBJ. And it really circled around a couple of things.
One was cotton allotments. And then the second one was grain storage contracts.

Speaker 3 And kind of tied in with that were these antihydrous ammonia storage tanks that was a big new deal at the time.

Speaker 2 Okay, so to not get into all the details, was your grandfather guilty of any kind of stuff with LBJ?

Speaker 3 Yes, he was as far as he had given LBJ a lot of money, and then they had back-end deals to where LBJ would get, say, 10% of business,

Speaker 3 and that would go to him. And so,

Speaker 3 you know, it's not nothing that doesn't happen today. You know, it still happens on a huge level.
Yeah. But he was certainly guilty of that.

Speaker 2 So the Kennedys were after really LBJ, not your grandfather, but the closest they could get to LBJ was your grandfather, right? And along with others.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 why were the Kennedys so intent on this? Because LBJ was the vice president.

Speaker 3 Yeah, they

Speaker 3 they brought LBJ on, not because they wanted to, but because they knew that he could carry the vote in the southern states, and they they needed those votes.

Speaker 3 So that was part of their goal of getting into the White House. And once they got in,

Speaker 3 the corruption and kind of the evil of Linden was a huge concern to them. They wanted him off of the ticket.
So they went after

Speaker 2 him.

Speaker 3 They were about to do a big publicity release on LBJ talking about these scandals he was involved in to start to destroy his character and force him out if he wouldn't willingly step out.

Speaker 2 Aaron Ross Powell, and it's kind of amazing that you would say destroy his character because as we know now, maybe not then, this guy was really bad. I mean, really bad.

Speaker 2 He was a huge racist who gets credit for, you know, the civil rights movement and everything else.

Speaker 2 He was not a civil rights leader in the least

Speaker 2 and a big racist

Speaker 2 and really a dirty guy.

Speaker 3 Yeah, in fact, there's stories that I really don't even want, we can't talk about here, but in person I could share about MLK and some things that potentially happened there and

Speaker 3 how that got out of control. But

Speaker 3 he was about it for the votes and preserving the Democratic Party. It was not based on his personal belief on the civil rights activity.

Speaker 3 However, my granddad was absolutely all about civil rights and helping there.

Speaker 2 Okay, so Shane,

Speaker 2 your grandfather is now taking the heat. He goes to jail for LBJ.
When does he make this tape, and who is he talking to?

Speaker 5 Perfect. Yeah, so it was around,

Speaker 3 I think, 71, 72 when he got out, and there's a very short timeline in which it could have been done. And he was talking with Cliff Carter or Clifton Carter.
And he he told me. Who was Cliff Carter?

Speaker 3 So Cliff Carter was LBJ's right-hand man. I'm talking back to the 40s when LBJ ran this, I think it was like Young Men's Youth Association or something along those lines.

Speaker 3 Cliff Carter worked for him there. Cliff Carter took over that organization when LBJ went on to run for office.

Speaker 3 And then once LBJ got in office, then Cliff Carter ended up coming to him after he served in the military for a while.

Speaker 3 And then

Speaker 3 he was basically his bagman, which means he would go collect the money from people.

Speaker 3 He was

Speaker 3 his right-hand man on all aspects of getting things done.

Speaker 3 He was kind of his lieutenant, I guess you could say, on making things happen.

Speaker 3 And then he went on to run the DNC for a while in the 60s. And at the time of this tape in 71, 72, my granddad had gotten out of prison, let's say, in July of that year.

Speaker 3 Well, Cliff died perhaps in October or November of that year. What we had always heard is Cliff Carter died three days after this tape was recorded.
And I always thought that was suspect.

Speaker 3 But after looking up these timelines of when my granddad got out of prison, when Cliff Carter passed away, I'm like, well,

Speaker 3 worst case scenario, it was within a couple, few months.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 tell me about what's on the tape now.

Speaker 3 All right. Well, as you go through, I mean, these guys are talking as simple and plain as day.
And I remember the first time I heard it, it took my breath away.

Speaker 3 And I probably had some tears because it was just as blatant, frank, open, simple dialogue as if it had been discussed a thousand times before about how LBJ was involved and behind and a key central figure in the assassination of the president.

Speaker 3 And then they go on to say, well, could it have been handled any other way after all the embarrassment he had suffered from LBJ and what the Kennedys were trying to do?

Speaker 3 And like, well, no, no, he couldn't have beat them, and there's no way he was going to get back on the ticket. So he, I guess, to accomplish his goals, he had to do what he had to do.

Speaker 3 And then, you know, they go through and talk about some other kind of interesting figures and characters within it that I've dug into and found some fascinating connections with as well.

Speaker 2 But

Speaker 3 there's a lot.

Speaker 2 There's a mention of an assassin.

Speaker 2 Yes.

Speaker 2 Tell me

Speaker 2 what that's about.

Speaker 3 So they talk about Malcolm Wallace,

Speaker 3 Mac Wallace, Mike Wallace. It can be multiple different names.
But again,

Speaker 3 easy to look up him and his history of,

Speaker 3 let's say it was in the 40s, 50s, something along those lines.

Speaker 3 LBJ's sister, Josepha, was dating a Doug Kinzer. And Doug Kinzer was a, I think he was a golf pro

Speaker 3 at University of Texas or something along those lines, some golf course here. And Mac Wallace had been a very high-performing individual, I think at UT.

Speaker 3 But

Speaker 3 for whatever reason, Mac Wallace went, and I'd heard it was because Doug Kinzer was beaten up on Josepha, or he had too much information about LBJ,

Speaker 3 but Mac Wallace went and killed him.

Speaker 3 I mean, just blatant, open, killed him in front of folks, got arrested, and went to trial, only got sentenced to five years, and then LBJ immediately ensured that that sentence was adjudicated and he did not serve time for cold-blooded murder.

Speaker 3 And after that, LBJ had Mac Wallace as his guy.

Speaker 2 You're listening to the best of the Glen Beck program.

Speaker 2 Welcome to the Glen Beck program.

Speaker 2 We're spending more time on the JFK files and the show that I did last night, just because I think it tells you everything you need to know about what's happening today.

Speaker 2 And you won't understand that until you really watch the show.

Speaker 2 But it is, I think, this is a direct replay of what happened during the Kennedy times and possibly what happened during Nixon's tenure and what's happening right now to Donald Trump.

Speaker 2 And it is so important that you understand this because you will understand why people are protesting in the streets, why this

Speaker 2 non-grassroots, or as Nancy Pelosi would say, astroturf protests are coming up so

Speaker 2 quickly and so oddly with something like USAID. You'll figure that out as you watch this special last night.
But at the end of the special, and it's only available on Blaze TV right now,

Speaker 2 is when I went out and fired an exact copy of

Speaker 2 what's his name, Oswald's gun. Same gun.
We don't know of another one like it because it has the exact same

Speaker 2 modifications that Oswald made to his, and we shot the exact same

Speaker 2 bullets, the rounds. These were about $40 a piece because they were antique.
I mean, we literally went and got the same bullets from the same batch to see what would happen.

Speaker 2 We made a few shots with that, and then the gun, the firing pin went bad, so I had to switch guns, but it's the same kind of thing, and I think I had a harder shot than even Oswald did.

Speaker 2 And you'll see what happened. But where we did this was up at the side-by-side ranch.
This is in Oklahoma, and it is an unbelievable shooting ranch.

Speaker 2 I mean, it's just, I mean, I was up there and I said to Scott, the owner, I said,

Speaker 2 I think I'd like to live here, quite honestly. It is an unbelievable place.
If you're into shooting or anything else, you should check this out. But Scott is the owner of it.

Speaker 2 Now, let me just tell you who he is first. So

Speaker 2 before we talk to him.

Speaker 2 He began shooting at seven because his dad was a member of the Air Force Competitive Trap Team.

Speaker 2 And he was a great trap shooter, inductee of the California State Trap Hall of Fame, blah, blah, blah. He was also a professional coach and instructor.

Speaker 2 He was the first team captain for Team USA in 1985. Now, his son

Speaker 2 becomes a competitive shooter. This Scott, I'm introducing you to here in a second.
He was a professional shooter for Beretta Firearms for 28 years.

Speaker 2 I've seen him do his exhibition events, and they are. I mean, it's almost like Annie Oakley, where you throw a quarter up and he shoots it.
I mean, he does that.

Speaker 2 He's in the Sporting Clays Hall of Fame, won over 14 national championships.

Speaker 2 He is the current national record holder in the small gauge champion, eight world

Speaker 2 championships, named to all 54 American teams in trap. He's also the only competitive clay target athlete in the history of American Sporting Clays, 25 years running, to average over 90% consistently.

Speaker 2 The guy is really good.

Speaker 2 But what has he done with his life? I don't know. Not much.
Here's Scott Robertson. Scott, welcome to the program.

Speaker 5 Thanks, Glenn. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 First of all, you're too good of a shot to have sat in that tractor pulling that vehicle that I was shooting at to recreate

Speaker 2 the Oswald shot. I don't know why you did that.
We were asking, can you want to get some more, a longer chain? Because I don't know.

Speaker 2 And you didn't, but thank you for pulling the tractor and pulling that car. Tell me about the shot.
Go ahead.

Speaker 5 Well, Glenn, we got to give your audience a little context, right? I mean, you don't have me on because I'm a good shooter.

Speaker 5 You mainly have me on because I'm the only one crazy enough to actually get in the tractor.

Speaker 5 You know, the reason I'm here really is because I do have a gun club about an hour from Blaze, or excuse me, a mile from Blaze Studios.

Speaker 5 And I'm the guy that you call when you have one of those hairbrain ideas. I mean, if you remember a couple of years ago, remember you came with the gun chainsaw, multi-purpose, whatever that zombie.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Right.
Yeah. It's great.

Speaker 5 You know, and then, you know, last week, my GM, who happens to be my best friend, says, hey, Glenn's guys called and they want to recreate the JFK deal. And I went, oh, crap.

Speaker 5 You know, Glenn, you're that friend that when people call, you're like, how much time and money is this?

Speaker 3 Right?

Speaker 3 Sorry.

Speaker 2 I'm sorry, Scott. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 Glenn up to now. So, you know, know, Jason calls and we have three days to recreate the deal and come up with an elevated platform.
Lynn wants a moving target.

Speaker 5 You know, it has to have, but you're left-handed and a right-handed gun. I mean, I'm like, oh, my God.
So, you know, when Jason gets up there earlier, he says, well, how long is your chain?

Speaker 5 I said, well, I don't know. We could put some together.
So I put the 20-foot, you know, batwing on the tractor and then a 20-foot chain. He goes, I don't know that that's long enough.

Speaker 5 So we had another chain, and with the angle, I couldn't hardly get it long enough.

Speaker 3 But I know.

Speaker 3 I mean,

Speaker 2 that last shot,

Speaker 2 I mean, if I were a bad shot, the last shot, I mean, it was

Speaker 2 not good for you. Let's put it that way.

Speaker 5 Well, I just want you to know: when you turn to the staff and you say, Hey, what do you guys think about this?

Speaker 5 When they pause, that's pretty much them saying to their boss, Boss, this is a really dumb idea.

Speaker 5 Okay? I just, I

Speaker 5 don't think about that.

Speaker 2 But as it turns out,

Speaker 5 they don't say, Glenn, that sounds great. That's them saying, this is really a bad idea.

Speaker 2 But as it turned out, it wasn't, was it?

Speaker 5 Well,

Speaker 5 look, I want you to know, I want you to know, I am proud of you because, you know, you always say do your own homework.

Speaker 5 And from the last time I saw you shoot a couple years ago at the range, you have been doing your homework. And I am sincerely impressed because,

Speaker 5 you know, Pete,

Speaker 5 this was,

Speaker 5 you know, those shots that we did, first of all, you did prove that the shot can be made. I mean, I didn't think it could be before you did it.
And so I think, you know,

Speaker 5 we proved that the shot could be made. I don't know.

Speaker 5 I'm still not convinced that's how it went down, but that's my own, that's my own. Right.

Speaker 2 But I do, but we did rule this out because I have heard my whole life that, oh, it's a very difficult shot. Probably, no, I mean, very few people could make that shot.

Speaker 2 I made that shot, and I think the shot I made was more difficult. We had the wind against us, and we also, it wasn't a paved street the car was on.

Speaker 2 That truck was bumping, going up and down all the time. That was a difficult shot, and I don't consider myself a decent shooter with rifles and scopes.

Speaker 5 Well, I will tell you, I am impressed because I'm, first of all, I'm in this tractor, and I'm thinking, I'm not not sure this is a good idea. Now, you got to understand, I do lots of sketchy stuff.

Speaker 5 You know, I shoot one-handed off a bike and do all kinds of crazy stuff, pogo stick.

Speaker 5 And, you know, so if I'm a little nervous,

Speaker 5 that's pretty sketchy. And so you're up on this tower with six or eight people.
You know, I have this hunt truck that has this big lift and it's wobbly.

Speaker 5 So you're the, and, you know, then the radio and the, and Jason's like, oh, the range is hot.

Speaker 5 And I'm looking at what seems to be down a barrel of a, you know, high-powered rifle with you up there with the

Speaker 5 boy, this is okay. I'm really hoping that Glenn's been practicing.
But anyway, I'm pulling this truck at 11 miles an hour, and it's in one of my fields. So it's bouncing up and down.

Speaker 5 Those balloons had to be bouncing probably 10 to 12 inches, you know, high to low. And I'm thinking, We are going to have to do this 10 times today, right? This is going to take 10 takes.

Speaker 5 And then I look back and I see the first balloon explode, and I'm like, well, good for you, Glenn. You got one.
Okay. You know, we can always go to B-roll.

Speaker 5 And then you hit the next balloon, and then the truck is bouncing like crazy because there's a lag between the second shot and the third shot.

Speaker 5 And I'm thinking, wow. And then I see the third, you know, balloon explode.
And I'm like, I am not believing this. I mean,

Speaker 5 I'm impressed.

Speaker 5 It's not an easy shot, but even more the way that we had to do it with the moving vehicle and up and down.

Speaker 2 I think we both can say if I could do that, Oswald, the only thing he had that I didn't have was the pressure of killing the president, all the nerves. But I'm also left-handed, right-handed gun.

Speaker 2 You know, we had other things going on that I think balanced things out. So I really believe he could have made the shot.
Now, tell what we found at the end that bothered you, that you brought up.

Speaker 5 Well, what was interesting is the grouping in the front windshield. So the bullet went back, it went through the balloon, which represented

Speaker 5 the target, and then went through the windshield, or excuse me, the back glass, and then all three bullets lodged in a very small group in the front windshield.

Speaker 5 And so what

Speaker 5 first thing I thought was interesting is how offset it was. It wasn't on the right side of the car.
It was on the left side of the car.

Speaker 5 So that was just interesting with the angle because we pretty much had the exact angles

Speaker 5 that it would have been in downtown dials that day. The other thing that I found interesting was that

Speaker 5 even though the truck was moving and there was a distance,

Speaker 5 we had the balloons lined up in such a way to represent

Speaker 5 Earth stagnant in the car. And what was interesting was that all of the bullets landed in the front windshield in a small enough group that really asked more questions than we answered.
Right? Like,

Speaker 5 why was the guy in the, in the, why was the driver not hit? Why was the passenger not hit more than one time? Right. So a lot of these things were weird.

Speaker 5 And so it really.

Speaker 2 The way it came out with us, the driver should have been killed. The driver absolutely should have been at least hit, but could have been killed.

Speaker 2 It would have at least, the way we did it, it was too high up because we weren't six stories up. We were about two.

Speaker 2 And so it would have gone into his back instead of where we had it. It would have been gone right through his head.

Speaker 2 But I went through the Warren Commission and it said that, you know, the first bullet landed in the street someplace. It was such a bad shot.
It didn't even enter the car.

Speaker 2 It just landed in the street and the kid was hit by a piece of the curb that broke off and hit him.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 the headshot,

Speaker 2 they say that

Speaker 2 the headshot, the bullet completely disintegrated and broke up. So they've never found any pieces of that bullet.
Is that even possible?

Speaker 5 No,

Speaker 5 well,

Speaker 5 no.

Speaker 5 One of these days you should research the Bill Cooper video. That's the one that makes more logical sense to me.

Speaker 5 But,

Speaker 5 you know, that's a whole nother conspiracy. But

Speaker 5 if you watch that video, it does make more sense that he was actually shot with a CIA air pistol. And, you know, there was also a poisoning bullet.

Speaker 5 That's why they had to change the brain out in Dallas. So, you know, I kind of come up more in that deal.

Speaker 5 But the real question when you start looking at the ballistics of it is,

Speaker 5 When you shot that shot, the first shot being a miss,

Speaker 5 I don't really buy that because how does a guy make two shots in a head at twice the distance of the first shot and the first shot is not found?

Speaker 5 Because that first shot, you have to admit, that was probably the easiest shot, right?

Speaker 3 Oh, it was easy.

Speaker 2 Yeah, I was more concerned about the other one. It was at a steeper angle.
I mean, it was difficult.

Speaker 5 100%.

Speaker 5 And so if Oswald is good enough to hit the president one in the neck and one in the head, you're telling me that he's going to completely miss the car when in your scope all you would see is car it doesn't make any sense no right so it it's it's it's kind of hard to believe that the first shot was a miss i don't i i you know and then when we start looking at the angles and the ballistics of what we did i i i have to ask more questions because it just doesn't make any sense it you know you you you don't have a miss and then you have two good shots like that and then the angle of it you know how is the passenger hit not the driver.

Speaker 5 You know, it's just, it's just a lot of questions there.

Speaker 2 So, Scott,

Speaker 2 I've only got less than a minute here. I just want to say, you know, and you might say,

Speaker 2 I'm not sure that's a really good idea, but I'd like to recreate the butler shooting

Speaker 2 because that just seems like the easiest shot of all time

Speaker 2 compared to Oswald. That seems simple, really simple.

Speaker 5 Not only simple is the Butler shooting.

Speaker 5 Yes, I would like to do that with you because I think we're going to find in Butler that we could take anybody off the street and they would make that shot 99 times out of 100.

Speaker 2 Yep.

Speaker 2 Okay, Scott, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 He is the owner of Elm Fork Shooting Sports and also Side-by-Side Ranch, founder and co-owner. And I just can't thank you enough, Scott.
We'll talk to you again.

Speaker 3 No, no, no, no.

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