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Welcome, Jason.

Thank you, sir.

I'm...

Well, last night, I was, you know, rapidly looking through some of these rumors on X, pretty credible people on what's going on with Jerome Powell and the Fed.

I was like, what the heck is that?

I was actually popping popcorn and watching this.

It was getting so crazy.

So it's just the rumors that he is going to be stepping down.

Well, yeah, I mean, yeah.

Anna Paulina Luna, Congresswoman,

she was saying it was almost imminent that he was about to be fired.

Actually fired.

There was other rumors saying, well, we're not sure about fired, but he's considering resigning.

Yeah, you know why.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was like, what the heck is going on?

Right.

So do you know?

Do you know why he's resigning?

No.

Take any guesses?

I mean, well, the I mean, you had popcorn out.

I'd love to hear what you've come up with.

Well, there's the, I mean, so that there was the CPI stuff coming out, the interest rates going up.

We know that the president wants interest rates to come down.

Right.

I'm assuming that is what the deal is, and there's some kind of internal battle going on.

Well, the president can't fire the Fed chief.

Okay.

So the president is the one that nominated.

The Federal Reserve is the biggest crock of bullcrap I've ever seen in my life.

It is nothing but the five biggest banks.

And you know which ones they are because they're the ones that keep getting bigger and everybody else is falling to the wayside.

So it is there.

The Federal Reserve is the arm of those five banks.

Okay.

And they suggest.

who the president can select from.

So the president can't say, I don't want any of these guys.

I want this guy.

Can't do it.

He has to take a a look at the list that all the banks have put together and say, pick from this list, Mr.

President.

Did you know that?

It's kind of like, it sounds like exactly how Iran chooses their next president.

It is exactly.

It is exactly that way.

Except this religion is all about the almighty dollar.

Okay, so

he can't pick on his own, but the president has a right to pick one, you know, every term if it comes up in his term.

The president wants this guy out.

And I think he's been really, really bad

because he's been wrong on

almost everything.

But

show me the Fed, you know, the guy who the Fed was right ever.

So

he can't fire him, but he wants him out because he wants interest rates dropped.

And

the jobs are coming back.

Things are coming back, but interest rates keep coming up.

And

the

interest rates if we keep our interest rates high we have a harder time borrowing money for our debt and it just gets more and more expensive for everybody all the way along so the president wants him to back off interest rates but the fed chief believes that that could cause more inflation which I think he's right on that one and I hate to say he was right about anything because I don't think he's ever right makes me question myself when I'm like, well, I think he might have a point on that one.

But the president is like, no, it can handle it.

I want them down.

I want cheap money again.

He refuses.

So what has the president done?

The president can only fire him with cause.

So

what do you do when you can only fire somebody with cause and you want them out?

You find a cause.

And this one's easy.

So the Fed has been the one leading the way saying, we can't keep borrowing money.

We've got to have some fiscal sanity, right?

This is going to kill us.

We've got to keep these interest rates high because

you are borrowing too much money, and maybe this is the only way to stop you.

So, we've got to keep it high because you've borrowed too much money.

And how many times has he testified in front of Congress?

We've got to cut.

We've got to cut.

You can't keep spending like this.

Okay.

Well, did you know that the Federal Reserve, with our tax dollars,

the five biggest banks, aka the Federal Reserve,

is redoing their offices to the tune of $2 billion?

Now, I don't know what kind of wallpaper they need there, but that seems like a pretty hefty renovation, especially when everybody's looking at cutting things and you're lecturing me about spending money.

So they get money from the government.

Okay.

They're telling us, stop spending, stop borrowing.

Except, okay, you've borrowed.

I need $2 billion of that to redo our offices in Washington, D.C.

Excuse me?

Why don't you do that yourself?

Okay.

I think banks maybe have some money.

So they're borrowing that money and

they're $700 million

over.

So it's $2 billion, $700 million over budget, and they're still not finished.

And the problem is they're putting in water features.

They have a rooftop garden they're building.

I mean, it is, it's insane.

So all the president, the president now knows, really?

You want to play this game with me?

I'm going to sit your ass down in front of Congress and you answer to the American people how you're lecturing us about spending and you're putting in a rooftop garden and a water feature in your office.

No.

No.

So the president is now threatening,

I'll fire you for this.

You want to quit?

Now would be the time to quit.

Otherwise, I'm dragging your butt in front of Congress.

You answer to the American people for this, and they will beg me to fire you.

So that's what's happening.

So I believe.

I looked at that a lot because I was like, there's got to be some leverage that the president has because he can't just get rid of.

But that's some pretty big cost.

That sounds like a Babylon B article.

It really does.

It does.

$2 billion.

$2 billion, $700 million over budget.

Oh, my gosh.

I mean, and these are the responsible bankers.

No.

No, I don't think so.

It just shows they don't mean what they say.

They'll just keep doing it for themselves.

You know, if you really believed that America was really on that financial cliff, why would you do that?

You would lead the way and say, guys, we are going to be the only responsible ones here.

We're going to lead by example.

No renovation.

You know what?

Go to IKEA.

You need a new desk?

Go to IKEA and get a new desk.

Well, we've got to keep up our image.

We're not going to have a country.

So what do you say we go to IKEA?

Our image should be, we are going to lead the way out of this madness.

That's what a leader would do.

So Glenn, so I still don't think I get this disconnect between Trump and Powell on, so we know Trump wants to lower interest rates.

Powell's stand, you know, he's standing back and saying basically he's not going to do it.

Is he trying to undermine President Trump on that?

President Trump thinks so.

President Trump thinks so.

I think so to some degree.

I mean, I'm worried about inflation and low.

I mean, look, you know what happened?

Do you know what's happening with Japan?

What's happening with Japan?

So what's happening with Japan

is

Japan has always had this

really amazing image of

we're solid.

We're absolutely solid.

This is starting to crack the foundation.

1989.

Let me go back to 1989.

This was the crown jewel of the global economy.

Back in 1989, you probably are not old enough to remember.

All of a sudden, Japan owned everything in America.

Okay, like we were just becoming Japanese and everything was being purchased by Japan.

Kind of like it feels a little bit like China now.

Okay.

They even owned Nakatomi Plaza, Glenn, that Bruce Willis had to save.

That's right.

That's right.

They owned everything in every 80s movie.

Oh, yeah.

They owned absolutely everything.

Okay.

And

things were so insane in Japan.

The grounds of the Imperial Palace in Tokyo on paper was worth more than the entire value of the state of California.

Wow.

Okay.

So their land, everything just shot up.

And so they had all, they were flush with all this cash.

Okay.

And people believed that Japan had suddenly, you know, cracked the formula for, you know, eternal prosperity.

That's the problem.

And then it all started to fall apart.

And the asset prices that they had mortgaged against.

Okay.

They had borrowed other again.

Well, the Imperial Palace is worth more than California.

That doesn't make any sense.

Nobody would, you wouldn't mortgage it like that.

At least long term.

You might go like, I'm going to do this real quick and pay it off.

You would never, ever mortgage because you know that's insane.

Well, nobody ever wants,

it seems in the governments, nobody ever wants to believe that this is just a fluke.

Okay.

So the asset prices collapsed, the stock markets plunged, and for three decades, they have gone into this

very polite political coma, okay?

Economic

coma.

And so the central bank did something radical.

They were the first ones to set your interest rate at zero.

They lowered the interest rate.

They made money so cheap it was nearly free, zero percent interest.

Sometimes they would pay you

to take out money.

So they had negative interest rates.

Can you imagine that?

Now you're not fixing the problem.

You're just now printing wallpaper to cover over the mold.

All right.

So they've done this for decades.

Now their debt is, I think, 260 or 280% of their GDP.

I think, what is ours?

100?

80%?

Something crazy?

120.

You never come back.

The debt threshold is usually about 120, 140.

They're 260%

of their entire economy is debt.

That is not a crack.

That's a fault line.

So

this week, or was it last week, things started to creak and groan in Japan.

And the government bonds, which are like our treasuries, is this getting too complex?

Are you following this still?

Yeah.

So their government bonds, they were the safest investments on earth, one of them.

Okay.

It's us, Japan, Germany.

They started to fall hard.

And when bond prices fall, interest rates or the yields go up.

All right.

So they borrowed all this money, 260% of their GDP is borrowed.

Okay.

So they borrowed all of that money and they had it like at, you know, 3% interest, whatever, 2% interest.

And they were paying people 2%.

Well, all of a sudden, the cracks started to appear and people were like,

I'm not sure this is stable at all.

And then the belief of the system started to go away.

So people started selling their Japanese bonds.

Once they do that, now the yields have to go up.

What happens when yields go up?

What happens when interest rates go up for a government?

You have to pay more interest on your debt.

You add two or three points.

Just imagine you have an adjustable rate.

This is a government having an adjustable rate, except they have 260%

of everything they make in debt, and it's all leveraged.

And now their adjustable goes up two, three, four points.

You're not able to afford that anymore.

So massive problem because what it really means is people don't believe in Japan.

They know the con game is now over and investors are saying, you know, I want a whole lot more in return if I'm going to, because I just don't believe you anymore.

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This is not a neighbor's house on fire.

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Now they're like, wait a minute, if the most stable, you know, if you're driving a car and

it is the safest car in the world and all of a sudden they just start blowing up on the highway, you're like, ah,

I don't think

that's the safest car on the highway.

And if that is the safest car, what does it mean for the car I'm in?

You know what I mean?

So now this is going to push U.S.

interest rates going up, which makes our mortgage rates go up and our car loans get more expensive.

And the national debt, which is already costing us 1.2 trillion dollars a year just in

interest

now they can't sell their treasuries people are skittish on treasuries maybe they come to the united states but they're not so far they're getting out of the japanese uh interest or the the bonds there

Japan has to pay their bills.

What do you do when you have to pay a bill?

and you don't have any money coming in?

You don't have enough money coming in, what do you do?

You sell something, right?

You sell your car, you sell something that you have a value.

Well, what do they have?

What do they hold of value?

U.S.

treasuries.

So now we are trying to sell our bonds for our new debt.

They hold our old debt.

They're saying, hey, anybody want to buy this debt?

Because I got to sell it.

Fire sale.

What do you give me for it?

Okay.

Which makes that debt more attractive because they can get a better deal there, which means if we want to have new debt, we have to raise our interest rates, which means we pay more for

interest for our mortgages and everything else.

And it floods the market with bonds, crushing the prices, skyrocketing the costs for us,

and causing even more trouble in other countries that have U.S.

bonds because they start to look and go, nobody's buying these bonds.

Well, of course not.

You have two countries, the two stabilist countries besides Germany.

You have the two stabilist countries now selling U.S.

Treasury bonds, okay?

Really, really bad.

Now, let me add this on.

Germany is now having to pay for their own army.

And so they said they're going to borrow money to build the army and they're going to lower their interest rate so they can borrow more money.

All right.

And now the German Bund, which is, you know, like our treasury, that's now starting to fall apart.

Well,

Germany has some assets they can sell.

What do you think that asset might be that they want to sell

u.s treasuries

we have been playing an extraordinarily horrible game

this is why i believe the president wants somebody else in charge of the fed because the fed can say we're lowering the interest rates

Because he's got to get more money into the system so people can spend money, can start businesses, borrow money, get things moving so we can increase the amount of taxes that we collect.

The more people money, the more people make,

the more taxes we collect.

So he's like, we've got to grow the economy.

And the only way we can grow the economy is to lower the interest rates.

But at the same time,

interest rates around the world, because of what's happening with the bonds, is going through the roof.

We are in a very,

we've never been in this position before.

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Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

There's a lot going on today, and it's our job to keep you you informed and help you understand what's happening in the world.

You know, the Federal Reserve, we've just been talking about that, what's really going on there, what's going on with cutting.

There were some great things that happened in the Senate yesterday.

We'll talk about that with

one of the senators who passed it through and got it to the president's desk.

Rescissions, big, about $9 billion

of rescissions, which were promised, doge rescissions, which is very, very good.

And then there's something else that's happening in the Senate that is called the Genius Act.

The Genius Act seems really good

in some ways.

It is

all about

digital currency and stablecoins.

Now, the problem is:

is this going to lead us to a CBDC, which is a Federal Reserve digital currency?

And what's in the Genius Act, as far as what I read, what's in the Genius Act, what the law says is not a problem.

I mean, I think there needs to be some things added to it, but the problem is what it normalizes, identity-linked money, federal-approved issuers, and a financial system that rewards obedience and flags dissent.

And once once these pipes are built, the fear is, my fear is at least, it doesn't take that much for a central bank digital currency to flow right through those pipes.

It's normalizing things.

And in some ways, we have to normalize it.

We have to have some rules on these things.

But I would really like to see that

you have a very clear right to hold your money in your own wallet, offline and untouchable.

And And a line in the sand in this that says no CBDCs, not now, not ever.

And a guarantee that says private money earned and saved remains private and unprogrammed.

That has to be in this bill.

Now, some people stood up and

argued those very points.

Chip Roy, I think, is one of them.

And all of them were called to the White House yesterday where the President said he made real progress with everybody.

Chip, I assume you were part of that calling to the White House.

Well, Glenn, thanks for having me on, and thank you for that great summary, because a lot of people don't understand what's happening, because as you point out, so many things are happening at once.

The Senate, as you noted, just passed

the rescissions package, which we thought they were going to water down more than they did.

And we're blessed that they didn't.

And that's great.

$9 billion, including public broadcasting.

That's step one of $1,000 that we need to take on residue.

That's really good.

And that is at the president's desk now, right?

They made a slight change to it, so it will have to come back to us.

Oh, jeez.

But

we will take it up, pass it, and send it to the president.

We agree.

We already passed it.

They watered it down a little bit, but it's close.

Right.

And it was kind of

on the AIDS thing, which I think is understandable why they, I mean,

you have to read the bill to know what that was actually about, but it's such an easy target.

It's probably worth losing that $400 million.

Correct.

That's the right summary.

Now to this point, we told the leadership over the weekend that while we appreciated what they were doing with stablecoin and the Genius Act, and while we would prefer to see us move our House bill, which is a market framework, a broader bill that's sort of the second piece to this, and then thirdly, that we wanted to see, as you point out, a complete and total ban on a central bank digital currency or anything like it you explained it better so we told the leadership don't put this on the on the floor in a rule right which is how we operate in the house um without fixing this making these amendments in order but unfortunately they didn't listen to us i say with all due respect and so some of us objected now to be clear i was not in the meeting at the white house because i was on the house floor running speeches for the people that were affected by the floods in my district, in Texas.

So I was, though, in constant contact with my friends who were at the White House, and I certainly let the White House know that a few of those good guys, like Scott Perry and others, had my proxy.

But here's another important point, because we're not going to talk about Epstein this morning, I don't think, unless you want to.

No, I don't.

But on Monday night, there was a vote

in the committee, in the rules committee.

I was not present.

I got in late because of flights because of the floods and then the rains coming into D.C.

So I wasn't there.

So I didn't vote on this Epstein matter.

We can talk about that separately, but there's a lot of misinformation flying around.

Yeah, that's fine.

We'll just move on.

This is really important.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bottom line is, here's the deal.

We need to do what needs to be done on crypto.

Okay.

We need to deal with stablecoin.

We need to deal with the market framework.

But we believe a line in the sand is that we've got to have an emphatic statement from the government of the United States that the government is not going to to be tracking your money to prevent you from being able to buy guns, to prevent you from being able to buy gasoline if they want to go to all, you know,

EVs, to prevent you from being able to live your life freely and be able to monitor your transactions like the Chinese Communist Party.

We don't do that here.

This is a country that's supposed to embrace freedom.

That's the point.

And at the core of it, is a currency that is stable.

Modern technology is raising different ways for us to achieve that.

And, you know, I wish we'd not gotten off the gold standard.

We did.

We've allowed the Fed to become unwieldy and print all manners of money, and that's part of the problem.

But here we are, and we've got the ability maybe through the markets to create something good to kind of reclaim autonomy with a stable currency that isn't being messed up by federal bureaucrats.

But it needs to be done right, and we do not want to, you know, inadvertently or purposely empower these bureaucrats by allowing them to track and use this.

That's the whole point.

So we drew a line in the sand that we need to achieve this.

As usual, we're given lots of excuses.

Well, we've got to get this one done first.

Trust us.

We'll do it later.

I've got a lot of faith in the Trump administration, so I give a lot, but I don't trust the Senate, so we have to keep forcing the hand.

So, because the president would say, look, I've already done an executive order on this.

No CBDC.

But an executive order is not the same as legislation.

I appreciate his executive order, but someday he's going to be gone.

And we need it in the law.

And, you know, I look, I read the Genius Act and trying to understand it.

And I think a lot of it, what they're asking for is good.

They're saying, look, you know, we want one for one.

You got to be able to cash this in, you know, so we just don't have all these fake, you know, coins out there.

So it's tied one-to-one to the dollar.

You need to be able to

know that this is not terrorist, terrorist, et cetera, et cetera.

And so there's some things that the banks already have to do, but this is more than what the banks have to do, it seems.

And I don't mind that, you know, transactions, I do, actually, I do mind, but I can tolerate transactions over $10,000, you know, spiking up.

But I don't want to see my money being able to be tracked everywhere.

And I'm not doing anything wrong with it.

I just know how it can be used if the federal government, and I don't want this pipeline ever to be built.

Right.

And there are other aspects to the bill that we're looking at as well.

That's not just the central bank digital currency, but this notion of self-custody.

Right.

That self-custody means the ability to send crypto without the use of an intermediary.

And Warren Davidson had an amendment and had language he wanted to improve the Genius Act.

This is stuff he was already working on in the Clarity Act in the House and trying to make sure that we're mining the store, if you will, through the process of creating these frameworks.

Look, I want all this to move forward.

But if the crypto bros want to be able to do all this stuff, they need to back us up to defend freedom, and they should want to.

They should.

I mean, this is what the whole thing with crypto was all about, was freedom.

And I want the freedom.

I mean, the custody clause is really important.

Is there any custody clause in it now?

There is language in there, and that's a result of all of our efforts, but it's not where it needs to be.

So that's one of the things we're working on is trying to amend it to make it better.

And then we're trying to get a guarantee on the central bank digital currency.

Those are our two top things.

There's a few other small things, but those are the two top things we're trying to do.

And what

self-custody means, I make my money.

I can pull it out of the bank and I can put it in my wallet or a digital wallet, and it's mine.

And nobody else has access to it.

Nobody else can, and I can spend it the way I want to spend it because it's mine.

If you don't have the self-custody clause in there, it means it's not really yours.

Because if somebody in the government says, nah, you can't use that to buy an SUV,

you can't use that to buy fossil fuels.

We don't really, you know, inflation is getting so bad in this particular area.

You're not essential in this area, so we're not going to let your money buy this.

That's once you have that system, you have total control.

Am I explaining that right, Chip?

You're explaining it better than I could.

And I think I just, your listeners just need to understand, because everything gets real complex.

When you have an administration that's doing so many great things, what the administration is, and I mean, truly, like just, you know, extraordinary things in the face of so much resistance, then you want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

And we do, to your point about the executive order,

maybe leadership who want to protect our freedom and advance this economy and build prosperity.

But we have to protect against the power of government that has been used so long

to this freedom and undermine it, whether Republicans or Democrats were in charge.

So you're right.

That's why we're fighting to improve the bill.

Wherever you are, see what happens today.

Wherever you are, stop moving because we're losing you.

And I do want to ask you in one minute, your thoughts on

Epstein.

Now that we've gotten through the important stuff, your thoughts quickly on Epstein.

Look, the American people deserve to know more information than they're getting.

I also trust the Trump administration to work through this.

As a former federal prosecutor, what I would tell you is the one thing we've got to be mindful of, when you say, quote, release the files, remember that there are victims.

Yes.

Okay.

And you've got to be careful about that.

Remember that there are also individuals who might have been in some book or some list that never got on a flight, that never had anything to do with this creep, you know, or at least directly, or certainly didn't go to the island.

So you got to be careful about that.

I think what we need is the autopsy released, the full details that's surrounding the suicide, and I think we need the flight logs, which are traditionally public.

I think we should start with that, get that out there so people can understand those facts.

And I think then the Department of Justice owes us sort of an explanation for what are they doing in light of the prosecution of Epstein, in light of the prosecution of Ghislaine Maxwell?

What is it?

Are they protecting anyone?

Who are the people?

Who else should be prosecuted?

And why aren't they being?

And

I think that methodical approach is the way the Trump administration ought to approach it.

I think they owe us more information on that front.

I think we should push for that.

But I don't think we should be blind.

Okay?

We've got to be careful, right?

Grand juries operate in secrecy for a reason.

So let's just be smart about this.

We believe in freedom.

We believe in due process.

We don't believe in just throwing things to the wind.

And by the way, I'm not,

if you read Alan Dershowitz's op-ed in the journal this morning, he walks through a bunch of this stuff and he represented Epstein.

And there are judges who currently have a clampdown on being able to talk about some of the information.

Yes.

So we need to work through that.

Like, there's a lot of variables in this.

I think, Chip, that is totally reasonable.

And I think there wouldn't have been any blowback had that been the response.

But what the response was,

you know, was it's sitting on my desk.

Then it wasn't sitting on my desk because the FBI is holding it from me in

FBI headquarters, but I've got to go through everything because there's so many names and so much information there.

And we're still going over the videotapes too.

There's nothing.

Wait, what?

What?

That just didn't make sense.

And then it was, shut up and sit down.

I think the American people want to believe, I mean, I would rather have this be the truth, that there wasn't a big deal.

There were some people, but it wasn't as big as we thought.

I'd love to believe that.

But you need to take the American people through it because we have a lack of trust.

Big test.

And by the way, the best process for them to go through is they need to go take some scalps, right?

And they need to demonstrate that they're serious about it.

If they have a list of mobsters and a whole big old binder full of people affiliated with the mob, but they go nail 10 hides to the wall and say, we're doing our job.

then we're going to give them the benefit of the doubt that we're not protecting somebody who shouldn't be protected.

Yes.

But right now, we're getting a whole lot of like whatever and a whole lot of like shrugging.

And after the big presentation with the binder on the desk, we need more than just shrugging.

Good for you.

Chip, thank you very much.

Appreciate it.

God bless.

And anything we can do for, anything we can do for your district, anything.

You know, Mercury wants to...

If I can just say the Community Foundation of the Hill Country is a low overhead entity that is distributing cash directly to people who need it.

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Thank you.

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I just wanted to let you know.

We also have a really good common sense speaker, the former

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Jason.

New updates from the video sleuths looking through the prison video in the Jeffrey Epstein case.

It's not just one minute that was cut, it was three minutes that were cut and then stitched on top of each other.

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So it's more than what we thought.

Why would they do that?

It doesn't prove anything.

No, it doesn't.

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Yeah, so stupid.

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Senator Eric Schmidt is with us.

He's from Missouri.

He was the AG in Missouri and one of the best in the country, now continuing to be one of the best senators in the country.

Senator, how are you, sir?

I'm good, Glenn.

I got to get to see you in person.

I don't know.

It's been a while since I've been able to do a show with you in person.

We got to figure that out here soon.

And

also,

I still think of that time.

Remember when you came, when I was AG, you came with a lot of the historical

artifacts that you collect.

And I still think of that Washington,

you know, what Washington had in his pocket as a surveyor.

Yeah.

I got to touch that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That compass.

And it just, it was obviously, it means a lot.

Like

when you're making sure you're always headed in the right direction that was

very meaningful for me.

So anyway.

Thank you.

Well, I hope to see you soon.

So, Eric, what happened last night?

Is this going to go, it's going back to the House.

Is it going to pass?

What does it mean?

Well, we're not done yet.

So last night, there were two procedural votes.

One to pull the rescissions package out of the committee, appropriations committee, and then the motion to proceed.

So we're now on the bill today.

So I'm the sponsor of the rescissions package, President Trump's package, $9 billion.

$1.1 billion is Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

That's NPR.

That's PBS.

And then also, you've got all that crazy USAID stuff like Guatemalan sex changes and DEI in Burma and voter ID in Haiti, all that nonsense.

It's all in this package.

So what happens today is we'll have a voterama.

The Democrats will offer a bunch of amendments.

We've got to beat that back.

We've got to hold the 50 votes that we had last night.

And J.D.

Vance will probably have to come in to break the final tie.

So, that'll happen today.

So, we're not done yet.

We're not done yet.

But I think we're going to get there.

I think we'll get there.

I'm losing hope on there.

It's always like, okay, we got it.

We got it.

We don't have it.

We don't have that.

No.

Hey, we're going to put them in jail.

They're going to jail.

No, they're not going to jail.

I mean, it's like every day.

I think this is like, first of all, if we can't do this, everybody ought to hang their head in shame.

But I think this is one of those steps of restoring a little bit of confidence that we can actually find wasteful spending and do something about it.

And this is the worst of the worst.

And NPR, look, it's being run by someone who called President Trump a fascist and hate.

I mean, these are people who call Americans bigots every day over the airwaves, and there's just no reason they should get federal dollars.

And we've talked about this for a long time as conservatives, and now's the time to actually end the federal

turn off the federal spigot.

I mean, I have to tell you, NPR and PBS, they don't need the money.

They don't need the money.

They can raise it just the way all the rest of us have to raise it.

Correct.

Why they have to have all this money

coming from my taxes when

there is a private sector and there is a way that you can do that.

You want to have that opinion.

You want to do it.

Good.

Then do that.

And you can do it, especially now with just the same high quality

without all of the government expense and the waste that goes with it.

And I got to tell you, I don't know what kind of mansion Big Bird needs to live in, but they've been selling plush toys for a very long time.

I think they can afford to produce their own show.

Well, you got to have high ceilings, Glenn, and that's not cheap.

Right.

Right.

I mean, it's again,

not every apartment can have Big Bird in it.

Oh.

Okay.

Exclusive neighborhoods, But you're confident this is going to pass.

I am, yes.

But again, these things are closer than they should be.

It's 50 votes.

I mean, we lose three Republicans, so we've got to hold everybody we had last night.

But I think that that vote last night was an indicator of where we're really at.

And then we'll have this vote around it today, which will be, you know, the Democrats will want to save some stupid program, and then we'll have to vote it down, and then we'll get to final passage.

Hopefully tonight, it will go to the House because it's got to be done by Friday.

There's a 45-day window for this rescissions package, and it's got to be done by Friday, and we're on track.

Why does it have to be done by Friday?

Because under

the statute enacted in the 70s, the president can basically, through previously appropriated funds, send a rescissions message to the Congress, and then Congress has 45 days to act on it.

That 45 days runs on Friday.

Has anybody in Congress or the Senate ever thought, you know what, why don't we just get this one done the day it comes in?

Why don't we do that?

Why are we always at the we've got 10 minutes left to pass this?

I don't know.

As a bill sponsor, I would have loved to.

I mean, honestly, so much oxygen was taken up through the big, beautiful bill and the reconciliation package that this was the next thing.

And the good news is these are very, you know, one of the few things we get to do with 51 votes, right?

With Republican votes.

And so these are things you got to do.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay.

You have a book coming out.

When is the book out?

Because I know I want to have you on when the book comes out.

Yeah, it's available for pre-order now.

It's August 19th, it comes out.

It's the last line of defense, how to beat the left in court.

And it is a lot of the stuff that you and I have talked about over the years, Glenn, it just

is the inside story.

And I don't think, and I'm a little biased, but I don't think a book's been written like this before where it takes you kind of inside the legal battles.

Like, you got to remember, when I was AG in Missouri, we brought the vaccine mandate case to the Supreme Court, and we won.

We sued 65 school districts in Missouri over mass mandates, and we won.

We brought the Missouri versus Biden censorship lawsuit, right, and uncovered this vast censorship enterprise before Elon Musk bought Twitter and we exposed all of that.

We took Fauci's deposition.

There's a chapter about that.

We took Elvis Chan's deposition, the FBI agent that was charge of the pre-bunking the Hunter Biden laptop story.

We kind of go behind the scenes there.

We had the student-loaned debt scam lawsuit because Missouri had Mohila.

We took that to the Supreme Court and we won.

So it's really lessons learned on how conservatives, we have a new playbook now.

We got to be tough, we got to go to court, and we got to win.

And so, those lessons from the Biden years and the COVID years can now play out in the Trump administration to defend these policies.

There's a few guys in the states that were doing that.

Why is it we can't seem to get our own DOJ to fight like this?

I wish, I mean, I'm glad you're a senator, but I wish you would have been the AG.

I mean,

why can't we get our DOJ

to start moving?

There's a lot of, listen, there's a lot of winning.

I will say this, actually, I don't know if you listen to it, my solicitor general, John Sauer, is the Solicitor General of the United States now.

So John is in the Supreme Court now,

you know, taking those lessons in Missouri.

And, you know, there's some big wins that have happened in court on immigration so far.

I get it.

Listen, there is a big desire

to

make sure that that weaponization that we saw under the Biden administration, that never happens again, right?

You can't have political opponents being thrown in prison for the rest of their life, but there's a lot of reckoning that still needs to happen.

There's a lot of things that happened that people need to be held to account for.

I mean, Jack Smith, what these guys were doing to jail a political opponent,

there has to be, I think, some repercussions for that.

And so I'm confident that we're going to see more of that.

But right now, the good news is on these big fights, whether it's on being able to fire people, these government agencies, or being able to enforce our immigration laws and mass deportations, by and large,

we're winning those fights.

and I think that's a good thing.

Okay.

I got to ask.

But, Glenn, you know, people got to go and go to Amazon right now in the last line of defense.

And these are the lessons that have been learned.

And I think,

and can, and it's a playbook for people that come next, right?

So look at you.

Look at you learning how to sell books.

God bless you.

You know, I saw you talk about this Tapper thing.

You're like, Tapper needs to come on here.

You're the master.

Yeah.

Okay.

I had one more question for you.

The Epstein thing.

Are you comfortable with what we've seen?

I get, listen, I am, so as a movement conservative, I certainly understand the frustration, right?

Because people feel like the government's lied to them at every turn.

I mean, part of what was going on in COVID was felt like everybody, you know, we were being lied to every day.

And even go back to the JFK stuff, things have been hidden.

So I understand that.

It's just hard um for me as a prosecutor to i don't know what they're looking at you know what i mean i just don't know when you make a charge i don't know what evidence is in front of them so to the extent uh information can be given right um i'd love to see it for sure but uh i just don't know you know i just don't know what they're looking at so all right god's honest answer uh your uh book comes out on the uh 19th we'll have you on maybe maybe if you don't mind traveling i'll have you up at the ranch because i'm going to be up at the ranch around the time that book comes out um the last line of defense, how to beat the left in court.

The hardcover comes out.

You can order it now.

Last line of defense.

Thank you so much.

Talk to you again.

All right, brothers.

Take care.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

Senator from

Missouri, Eric Schmidt.

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Jason Buttrill is with us.

There is a story, the White House planned to downsize the federal government.

And

this is all good news.

As part of the Trump 2026 budget request, the White House has laid out

in a series of charts, how many people the executive branch hopes to cut.

A government with 5% fewer employees.

Now,

that's good.

That's good.

I'd like it to start with a 5 and maybe have a 0 after it without a decimal point.

But 5% cut, it's a start.

And here's what is crazy is you are going to hear that we're starving children, that we've killed Big Bird, that we no longer have any weather service,

that satellites are going to fall from the sky on grandmothers' houses,

that disease is going to get out of control, but it's all part of the evil Donald Trump's plan because he's a Nazi.

5% cuts.

That's what he's asking for.

A 5% cut takes us back to 2020.

Now, how is it reasonable that we survived all these years?

You know, from

1789

to 2020 with the budgets and everything that we had, we survived, but now suddenly we can't survive on that budget or with that amount of people.

I mean, I'd like to see us take it back to, I don't know, budget cuts of 1980.

Let's take this way back, way back.

5% is no big deal, but you watch.

Our forests are going to burn out of control.

Our water will no longer be clean.

Drugs aren't going to be tested.

They're just going to, they're just going to use, I mean, you could, they're going to use horse medicine for cancer.

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You watch.

That's all, you're going to hear that over and over again.

Our national forests, if they don't burn, they're going to make them into parking lots for condos they're building on the top of the mountains.

The Grand Tetons, they're removing all the snow.

They're going to build condos up there.

You watch.

That's what they're going to say.

So he wants to cut more than 114,000 jobs.

He's going to add several thousands for immigration enforcement and border security.

And this is just 5%

of the employees.

31,000, the White House is calling for the most cuts.

31,000 employees, about 35% of its 91,000 employees as of last year.

About 12,000 such employees would work on wildland and fire management.

What did I tell you?

What did I tell you?

They're going to burn down the national forests.

They like what happened to California.

I'll tell you that right now.

Yeah, that's Donald Trump.

He probably set those fires.

More than 10,000 of those positions are not being eliminated, but that's not what you're going to hear.

So they have 12,000 people that work on wildland fire management.

They're getting rid of about 2,000 or 1,500 of them.

And the rest of them are going to work for the Interior Department.

Because they've got designers.

And if they cut the Interior Department, what are we going to do?

What are we going to do for curtains in the Capitol and the White House?

We won't know.

We won't know.

What about throw pillows?

The Interior Department.

They want all interior design to just go to hell.

We're going to be an ugly, ugly country, at least in people's living rooms.

Oh, God.

I can't take it, Jason.

Yeah, it's ridiculous.

I mean, one of the two things that we always complain about usually when there's a, you know, a GOP administration is that they always talk about tax cuts, but they never talk about reducing spending.

They never talk about reducing the size of the federal government.

That's happening right now.

It's happening despite every other maybe 10 minutes we hear about another national injunction, even though they still can't do that anymore.

They still find ways to do it.

They still do it.

Which is insane.

They're not finding ways to do it.

They're just doing it.

They're just doing it.

They're just doing it.

NASA is shrinking from 18,000 employees last year to about 12,300

next year.

That's a cut of about 30%.

That's good.

And you know why you can cut all those employees?

Because you have private companies going to space.

You know, one of the most incredible interviews, we should find this sometime.

One of the most incredible interviews I ever heard with Elon Musk was how he started his negotiations with SpaceX, with

NASA.

And he said, okay, so what are your goals?

And they said, well, we just want to take payloads up into space and we want to do it.

You know, we want to be able to reuse it.

Great.

What kind of budget are you looking at?

What do you mean?

Well, what kind of budget are you looking at to build?

And what kind of budget would you like it to be every time you

what do you mean?

How much do you want it to cost to send stuff from here to space?

They said, budget isn't a consideration.

That's insane.

He said, that's when I knew our government was completely out of control, when they don't care what it costs.

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They just, you know, they'll send more.

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That's the kind of stuff.

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You're like, what?

Trust me, this is really important.

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You know, the truth is that you won't like to think about it, but there are dangerous people,

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Tonight, on my Wednesday night TV show on Blaze TV, I am going to

go over Epstein and what still can be done.

And the president seems to be saying we're going to get to the bottom of it.

We are going to release some things.

What can be done?

I have Tom Fitton joining me.

He's filing some FOIA.

And

we'll get some answers, hopefully, tonight.

And

what do we really need to know?

How can we find this out?

So a pathway there.

And something I think that is even more important.

You know, John Brennan seems to keep getting away with stuff.

And he's a very bad guy.

As I'm doing my research on him

he is

really

really a bad guy always seems to show up in all of these scandals all of them i mean we we kind of started this off with looking at some of the current scandals that he was showing up in or his name's resurfacing in some of these investigations but then the more we looked into it we were like wait a minute he was in charge of that yes wait a minute and and he did this denied it then later apologized for it and he never saw justice yeah he's the guy that just keeps on he just keeps going.

I don't know what he has on people or what, but he just keeps going.

Now, the Trump administration is doing something we're going to go over tonight,

but this is a grand conspiracy.

I mean, this goes back to 2015, 2016, Hillary Clinton and the Russia gate, and all the way up to

the autopin.

And it is a way for one giant case.

This is

like racketeering.

This is usually how they get the mob is they'll say, you know, there's a grand conspiracy to commit murder or whatever, and they can tie everything in.

As long as you can tie it all into one conspiracy, there is no statue of limitations.

And

that's exactly what the FBI and DOJ are working on right now.

And if that actually happens,

you're going to see a long list of people

being indicted.

Yeah, so many of these cases that really have helped to shatter the trust that we have in our institutions and government.

All of them would be in this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And what I love about this show tonight, Glenn, is that we're going to point all of these out, all these things that are contributing to that, but we're also going to give tangible ways to where, okay, so

you're pissed off over the Epstein case.

Well, we're going to show you a way that you can actually demand certain things to be uncovered.

And

from what we hear in Washington in conversations we have with people in Washington, these things are possible and becoming more possible because the president is starting to hear the voice of the people.

And he's like, okay, all right, okay, well, let's release this.

Let's release this.

What can we do?

And so if you know what you're asking for, you're going to see satisfaction.

I think you're going to see some satisfaction.

You're not going to be...

Not everybody's going to be happy,

but I think you're going to get as much as you possibly can.

And the second part of the show today is, I think, the most important part because that's the grand conspiracy.

And

man, when you hear this one, this goes all the way back to her emails,

you know, which we all knew.

Wait a minute, how do you get away with that?

Well, this explains it.

This grand conspiracy theory explains all of it and takes you all the way up to the auto pin.

And all the things you think about that we've been talking about over the past, what, eight plus years that we've never got answers on.

Do you remember the Susan Rice email on the last day of Obama's

presidency?

That's in here.

That's in here.

But we have never heard an explanation for that.

No.

We've never heard anybody really ask any questions about it.

It's insane.

It's insane.

This is like a dream come true.

If you've listened to me and watched me, this is like, if they do this, and we didn't make this up, this is what they're saying they're doing.

You know, of course, it's probably sitting on their desk right now, and I can't wait.

They're going to put a binder out tomorrow to show you.

But anyway, this is what they say they're doing.

And if they actually do it,

it's going to

shock most people.

Yeah.

Because it's so comprehensive.

You've talked a lot about how this will help to restore trust and that that has been shattered.

Have you, have you, do you remember your trust implosion chalkboard that you did years and years ago?

I remember trust implosion and then it led to

either a reset or a war

and a currency collapse.

I think, but I said I didn't know what order those would come in after the trust implosion.

Do we have time to go through some of them?

Sure.

So these are all the things you predicted that would lead to full-on trust implosion.

The first one is you predicted that polarization would lead to a critical stage and resulting in massive civil unrest.

Oh, we're here.

We're there.

We're so polarized, we can no longer see

what's right, what's moral.

We can't,

they're now saying they have a right to kill cops.

They have a right to kill ICE.

And half the country can't see that.

You want to talk about civil unrest?

There it is.

They're attacking ICE facilities.

Yes.

Setting military-style ambushes.

What do we know about that?

You know what?

Can I show a picture of something I brought yesterday?

This is a guy who was arrested in Colorado.

Look at this guy.

He was arrested for kidnapping like an 11-year-old kid.

He looks like he is out of Arkham.

Okay.

Doesn't he?

He looks like somebody that would be in a Batman movie in Arkham.

He has been arrested over and over and over again.

He is mentally, you can see, he is mentally very unstable.

Okay.

We're just letting these people go.

And I think these are a lot of the people that are being scooped up by the left to do a lot of the things like, you know, go kill them.

Just go kill them.

Something else I said in, I think probably 2009.

When you start to have AI, you're going to be so easily able to just find the mentally unill and wind them up.

Yeah.

The updates on that case are they're still finding people that were involved in that network.

So if you thought that their network was very coordinated and a very This is the ICE attack from July 4th.

Right.

It's it's it's getting the res the findings that they're getting now are it's it was even worse.

They were coordinating through signal chats.

There were multiple other people that were involved, including people involved in helping to hide the attacker.

Do we know anything about them?

We so we do have some connections in the area that know some of the people that have been scooped up in this or they're involved.

And they are not stable at all, glenn i mean i'm telling you i'm telling you crazy uh some of them have uh have have a strong connection to the trans movement um some of them have uh

that guy that i just showed you trans

trans

okay okay he he that's a you know obviously his mugshot but he is transitioning to a woman He's not doing a good job of it.

No, he's not.

But, you know, you look at that and you say he's unstable.

He's so unstable he cannot stand trial.

And they keep letting him out.

And then they arrest him.

And he's too unstable.

Well, wait a minute.

He's so unstable he can't stand for trial.

But wait, you

want to you think he's stable enough to make a decision that he can be a woman?

What is wrong with you?

What is wrong with

people?

That's common sense.

No, you're unstable.

I'm not going to change your gender.

You're unstable.

One of the things that's very, very scary about this is that most of the time we would laugh at some of these people.

And some of the intelligence that we've heard that, you know, that describe the character of some of these people, you would just say, okay, you would dismiss them several years ago.

Now they're coordinating through Signal.

They're using encrypted apps.

These are the same unstable people.

Now they're somehow coordinating and using actual dangerous tactics to do some of these attacks.

So extremely unstable, but highly coordinated.

Where does this go from here?

How does it end up?

Isn't this what every

evil regime does when they want to create chaos on the streets?

They open up the prisons and then they open up the insane asylums and just let chaos rule the streets.

That's what's happening.

I'm telling you, a few weeks ago, I said, we're becoming Gotham.

That's what's coming, America.

If you don't stop this, this is what's coming.

Gotham.

It's Gotham.

What were the other things

on the list?

On what list?

On the list of, you know, you said you had a whole list of things that I had up on the chalkboard.

Oh, okay.

The implosion of trust.

So, yeah, we covered that.

So you predicted economic destabilization would also lead to a critical stage.

We went through that at the top of the show.

We're still moving in that.

If you missed that on the podcast, go back and listen to the podcast today because it's crazy.

People don't have any idea what's happening right now right now and we talked about it in the in the podcast the first hour and i will say that president trump is taking strides to to navigate us out of that but i remember we did a show a couple years ago when biden was you know driving inflation up and we were looking at moves the fed could or couldn't do either way we were screwed yeah

win-win for the bad guys you said you said that we've never been in this situation before and i can't remember no we haven't been no we haven't been no no country i'm when i say we haven't been in this situation no country has ever been in this situation that didn't collapse.

Okay.

We've never been in it as Americans.

Anybody alive today has never been in this, maybe Zimbabwe if you lived in Zimbabwe.

But nobody's ever been in this, and nobody's ever seen a country pull its way out.

Your final prediction was

a massive technological disruption that would approach a critical stage, stage, leading to problems with jobs, finance, communication, and privacy.

Now, this was long before we even started talking about AI.

Yeah,

this is AI.

You watch, 2026

is the year you will either lose yourself or you will hold on to yourself in the next 18 months.

The next 18 months will decide who you will be and who your children will be.

You're either going to load up on AI agents.

I mean, try this for AI agents.

Think of the jobs lost for this.

But everybody can now have a private secretary.

Starting next year, there's going to be everywhere.

And you say, hey, AI agent, I want to go on vacation.

Would you just book a vacation for me and the family, you know, at our favorite place, wherever?

And it says, great.

Now that AI agent goes out and buys the tickets, reserves the room,

makes sure they have ground transportation, everything else, puts it on your calendar, alerts everyone in your circle that you're going to be on vacation that way.

What has it really done?

It's just gone, it's just helped me book a vacation.

No, no.

It now has

access to your bank, to your credit cards.

to your schedule, to your emails.

It has, and you're going to have agent after agent after agent, and it will ask you, I need to have access to this.

And you'll be like, of course you do.

Yeah, yeah, you can do that.

Okay.

It's going to have access to absolutely everything.

You will sell your freedom that fast.

Next year, that fast, it will be gone.

Unless you find the lines.

that you're willing to cross and you really think about it.

If you come into this next year

thinking, well, you know, an AI agent, I hear it's great.

People are telling me it's great.

And you haven't done your homework and you don't know what that means,

you are going to end up exactly where you are, except a million times worse with the cell phone and social media.

Look at the damage those things have done to us.

This is a million times worse, a million times worse, and it's happening next year.

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You know, the the seriously mentally unwell are being used by the left

and also California professors and people, and I think some of them are seriously unwell.

I don't know if you heard about Jonathan Caravello, but he was taken into custody

in the Central District of California.

He threw a tear gas

canister at law enforcement officials at the Glass House Farms in Ventura, California.

Now, this is the pot farm that we now know was,

you know, not just harboring illegals, but also harboring children that were there without any, you know, parent or anybody.

I mean, was that

child trafficking?

Was that, you know, trafficking children for work?

Was that sex trafficking?

I don't know, but nobody seems to care about this.

But the

California professor,

he says he was kidnapped by federal agents.

And, you know, he wasn't, he said they didn't identify themselves.

They have ice on their chest.

They were masked up, and he thought he was kidnapped.

And that's why he was pushing back and resisting arrest.

Uh-huh.

This just goes to the other narrative that they're now starting to push that if you think you're being kidnapped, you have a right to self-defense.

You have a right to shoot one of these federal agents.

And this is coming from the left.

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It's about all of them.

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We have just violated so many first principles that it's hard to keep things straight.

I want to take another look at the pot farms because they're a real problem, especially up in Maine.

We've talked about this before, especially up in Maine.

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Even though Trump has now, I think, made some inroads on this.

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He is the editor-in-chief of the MaineWire.com, host of The Robinson Report, a newsletter and podcast on Substack.

And he's also done a documentary, High Crimes, the Chinese Mafia's Takeover of Rural America.

And it is a really important documentary.

That's with Tucker Carlson, is it not, Steve?

Yes, that is.

In fact,

it's available at tuckercarlson.com.

And Tucker actually saw the importance of the work that we were doing and offered to partner with us on the documentary after I taped an episode with him.

But I have to give kudos to you as well because you were one of the first in the national media to invite me on to talk about our ongoing investigative work on this topic.

I think it was more than a year ago you had me on to talk about this.

And things are trending maybe in a better direction, I'll say, but still not quite contentious.

Well, that is good.

What do you know about the Trump administration saying no more farm buying for China?

Well, I think that it's seriously important in states where there's much more

military property, where there are large vital bases, because you're seeing huge amounts of farmland purchased around these.

But I think that the focus on farmland doesn't quite capture the full scope of the problem because here in Maine, what we see is residential houses are being purchased.

And sometimes they're through LLCs, sometimes they're through

natural-born citizens or naturalized citizens who just happen to be of Asian descent or Taiwanese descent or Malay descent.

So I don't see very clearly how you can enforce these kind of capital controls and prohibitions on property buying by individuals tied to the People's Republic of China, because what we've seen in Maine is they're very clever about how they launder money, about how they move illicit marijuana around the United States, and how they acquire property and how they organize these businesses.

So I think it's not as simple as just saying, you know, we hereby declare that you can't do bad things anymore with our farmland.

You're going to have to have a response that is as sophisticated as the criminal networks that are looking to exploit American labor.

I agree with you that I think what he was thinking especially important is the

farmland all around our bases.

I mean, you saw what happened with Russia.

You have a barn, you have a thousand drones in it, you unleash it.

I mean, you take out that base quickly.

And that's really dangerous to have them right up next to our bases.

Explain for anybody who doesn't understand what we're really talking about, how big the problem is in Maine.

Explain the problem.

So in 2023, the Department of Homeland Security had a memo that ended up getting leaked that said that there were 270 residential properties in Maine that had been purchased by Chinese drug cartels.

They were being used to grow marijuana illegally, and that marijuana was being trafficked out of the state to be sold at various other locations on black and gray markets.

And these organizations were also involved in narcotics trafficking and human trafficking.

Since that time, I've gone out and attempted to document the full scope of the problem.

And I would say, you know, earlier this year, if you'd asked me, I'd say, well, we're probably looking at more like 400 or 500 properties.

But since the publicity from releasing our documentary, I've had so many conversations with very well-connected people in the real estate industry, connected people in law enforcement.

And I'd say we're probably looking at just in Maine, 700 to 1,000

residential, commercial, and multifamily properties that have been purchased by Chinese criminal organizations for the purposes of exploiting trafficked human labor to grow cannabis and sell to Americans.

And the scope of the problem, I think, is it's localized in Maine because of the property buying and where the growing is occurring, but it's national and even international.

Because foreign countries are complaining about American weed grown illegally, in many cases by Chinese cartels being exported into their jurisdictions.

But it's happening in every state, even states, you know, Midwest states, good conservative states where they think, you know, well, we haven't legalized marijuana, so it's not a problem for us.

Well, go look at your local tobacco shop and go look at your local hemp shop.

Are they selling THCA?

They could be selling some Chinese grown marijuana from Maine under false pretenses, but the buyer and the seller, they know what's going on.

It's just law enforcement and lawmakers who don't really know what's going on.

And the risk of that is the lack of regulation, but also the Chinese toxins that are being found on these products in Northern California, in Massachusetts, and in Maine.

They're crazy toxins that were only identified when some California officials brought in the weapons of mass destruction lab from the National Guard to test these substances that they kept finding at Chinese pot gross.

What are they?

Sisk U County.

They are totally unregistered nerve agents that have no approved agricultural use in the United States.

In some cases, they're even banned in China, but they're importing them here under false pretenses and they use them like fumigants in their hoop houses or in residential properties.

So they're like mad scientist concoctions of these nerve agents that the indentured servants who are using them really don't know what they are except for it says, you know, bug poison on the front in Chinese and how to use it and they'll burn it and the smoke fills the house or the hoop house and just coats everything with this toxin but the the fact that they're unregistered and they're made in China means that testing labs the cannabis testing labs aren't equipped to determine if weed has been contaminated with them so you could have some Chinese grown weed that has been exposed to these toxins and bring it to a lab and say hey is this safe to smoke is this safe to consume and they'll give you a thumbs up yeah we didn't detect any pesticide or fungicide on it.

You're good to go.

And this product is being exported across the United States, being sold on black and gray markets, being sold at hemp shops, tobacco shops.

And we don't even know.

We haven't even begun to wrap our arms around the scope of the health crisis that could be caused.

And

I know that you're familiar with the book Unrestricted Warfare.

Like, if you were trying to wage chemical warfare against the United States, how would it look any different than convincing the American public to pay you to poison them?

So,

you know, I've been saying for a while now that the

marijuana, but mainly fentanyl, this is the opium drug war.

Just in reverse, you know, England knew that, you know, they could send opium in to China and drug the people and collapse them from the inside.

And that's exactly what they did.

And China eventually just had to give,

you know, because

it was enslaving all their people.

That is exactly what they're doing to us right now because they don't need the money.

They're not doing it for the money.

And what is happening to the money?

Is the money then going to support other things here in America?

Is it all being sent back to China?

What's happening?

Well, I mean, that's the question that

keeps me up at night and that should concern every American.

At the state level, to the extent that this product is being sold at a dispensary in Massachusetts or Maine, it's still an all-cash business due to federal law.

Yeah, exactly.

No bank is going to take a swipe of a credit card to buy your baggie of weed at the dispensary, even if it's legal at the state level.

So it's an all-cash business.

Well, what a brilliant way to stockpile untraceable cash behind enemy lines if you're a Chinese criminal organization.

And what might you do with that cash?

Well, you know, if there's

of some of your Iranian friends with shoulder-fired rockets that you want to smuggle over the border and take care of them, well, that cash might come in handy.

Last week we saw an indictment handed down in the district of Massachusetts that there were seven Chinese nationals or people with historical ties to China who were indicted.

And they were ringleaders of one kind of tiny corner of the Chinese drug situation in New England here.

And they had Porsches, a $1.5 million house, $75,000 Rolexes.

One of these guys had $600,000 in rubber bands hidden in his Porsche.

So they're not stockpiling this cash so that they can wear Louis Vuitton necessarily, but there's a little bit of that happening.

But more, I think, we have to worry about the other malign intentions of these actors, given that we know that they're affiliated with the Chinese Communist Party.

I mean, we can prove this.

Philip Lenzicki from the Daily Caller News Foundation has expanded on some of the reporting that we've done at the Maine Wire and connected an individual who was arrested at a grow house in central Maine outside of Bangor with a front group linked to the New York consulate, the Chinese consulate in New York.

And this guy has been out on bail after being arrested and he's back in China being quoted in state-run media saying, hey, I'm going to go back to America and bring home some investment.

This is going to be really good for you guys.

And for some reason, this guy's allowed to travel back and forth to China, and he's a known agent of the Chinese consulate in New York and one of these benevolent associations, which are just front groups for the CCP.

So we know, we know that the CCP have their fingers into the Chinese drug cartels that are ravaging New England right now, and we haven't developed a response.

We're beginning to, but we really haven't developed a sophisticated response.

Who's on our side helping?

Well, the Trump administration, I think, is on our side.

You know, this is one of the rare issues where Senator Susan Collins and President Trump agree and support each other in the response.

Senator Collins, Senator Chino,

it's got to be a big threat if it brings

to make a common cause.

But I'll say, Senator Collins has been on this since even before I was.

She's been paying attention to this and every intelligence official, whether it's the Biden administration or the Trump administration, she asks them what they're doing and what can be done to combat Chinese drug cartels in New England.

And I think she was very complimentary of the Trump Justice Department for moving forward with an indictment in the District of Massachusetts last week.

And I think if you have Senator Collins and President Trump in agreement on something, then

this is a rare area where maybe the federal government can move fast.

But it's going to depend, again, on having the political will to do it.

We still don't have a U.S.

attorney in Maine.

We're going to need a U.S.

attorney to pick up some of the balls that were dropped under President Biden.

And we have a Democratic governor here in Janet Mills who is more interested in going to war with President Trump over boys and girls sports than in the Chinese drug cartels that have taken over the state.

She still has yet to utter a single word about this criminal conspiracy in her state.

And we proved that her brother, Paul Mills, was actually doing business with the Chinese cartels, has served as a real estate attorney to transfer a property that was an illicit marijuana grow to the ownership of a Chinese national living in China.

And no one will report on it in Maine.

You've already given more attention to that story just by having me on than anyone here in Maine.

It is

remarkable how well our enemies have surrounded us.

And they're inside of the House now.

And most people are not paying attention.

And quite honestly, you know, this is the one place that I agree with President Trump.

I want the answers to the Epstein files, but these things are going to kill us a lot faster than that.

That has to be solved, but

things like this must be solved today.

And, you know, the Senate, you not having a

U.S.

attorney in the state of Maine now, that's because of the Senate.

They're just dragging their feet on all of the attorneys.

They've got to

pass

and confirm all of the U.S.

attorneys.

Get them out there.

Pam Bondi, we can scream all we want about Pam Bondi.

She can't do anything without a U.S.

attorney.

Can't.

Well, I'll say in Maine, Trump needs to make a nomination first.

There hasn't even been a nomination.

There hasn't been a nomination.

And so I think that there's some wrangling going on.

But I mean, I would agree on two fronts.

One, the Senate needs to start speeding along these nominations so that the Trump administration can walk and chew gum at the same same time.

You know, I think that we certainly should have the power and the intelligence to handle the Epstein disclosures at the same time we're fighting the infiltration of Chinese drug cartels who are working as agents of the Chinese Communist Party.

Because

they have no good intentions whatsoever for the people of the United States.

And

just to think about the callousness and just absolutely

vile amoral quality of these people, they're enslaving their own kind.

They're trafficking poor peasants from China here through Mexico, taking their passports and locking them up at grow houses in rural Maine until they've worked off their snakehead debt.

You know, these are people who are profiting from literal human slavery.

So if you think that there's any kind of anti-American activity or anti-Western activity that is beyond consideration for them, you're wrong.

We're dealing with a real evil here, real evil.

I can't thank you enough.

We have to have you on again.

Maybe we'll do a podcast with you, Steve.

This is such an important subject.

Steve Robinson, the main wire editor-in-chief, investigative reporter.

You can follow him on the website, themainwire.com.

Also, what's the name of your documentary?

The documentary is called High Crimes, and it's at tuckercarlson.com right now.

People can go check out the podcast and the documentary.

I think that gives a pretty good coverage of the issue.

But based on the amount of information that's coming in now, I mean, I could easily make another 90-minute film.

Yeah.

Well, I'm a subscriber to Tucker's service, so I'll watch it.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it, Steve.

God bless.

Thank you, Glenn.

You bet.

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Absolutely.

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Exactly right.

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Well,

it looks like

Fed Chairman Powell is going to be fired by the president.

That is something that the president's not really allowed to do without cause.

I think if he's going to fire him with cause, I think that is going to be what we talked about an hour one.

We went in depth on this.

I think it's going to be,

you know,

the renovations of the Federal Reserve building.

They spent

$2 billion on it, $2 billion,

and there's $700 million in the hole.

And it's still going on.

And they made rooftop gardens and big lavish fountain water displays inside.

I mean, it's crazy.

It's crazy.

So don't lecture us on spending when you take our money from us and you spend it like that.

It's ridiculous.

I don't know what he's going to fire him for, but now the word in Washington is it's likely to happen soon today.

He's got to

greet the Iranian prime minister at the White House today.

He's going to be spending time with him,

but it looks like this is on his schedule.

I think this guy's got to be beat.

You know, I can see why he gets a little snappy at times because he's got to be tired.

Look at the schedule this guy keeps.

Have you ever seen a president or anybody else keep this kind of schedule?

Oh, gosh, no.

Never.

I've never seen anything like it.

Never seen anything like it.

And just all the things, like, I remember you asked, when you did your interview with him, you were talking about what he was just trying to do, just with trade and resetting the global economy and you likened it to, you know, like

a complete reset of the post, you know, World War II, like that era.

That's not a small thing.

No.

And he said, exactly right.

That's exactly what I'm doing.

And yeah, that's, I mean, that took.

It took mountains of people to put together, and he's trying to change it himself.

The Powell thing, I'm anxious to see how that is going to come.

What is the latest on how he's going to fire him?

So this is just now hitting over the past couple of minutes some of the news outlets, but they're saying that he met with a room full of Republican lawmakers and he asked them what they thought about him just firing him.

He just said, it sounds like just kind of outright firing Jerome Powell.

And those lawmakers,

according to this White House official, expressed their approval for doing that.

So

if it is as described, firing him, that means he does have cause to do it.

Has to be.

It has to be.

And you know that

they're all fully versed on what he can or can't do.

The only other thing I could think of would be

trying to amend the Federal Reserve Act to try and do something with this, which personally I would be all for, but

I would be all for it.

That would take a while for them to do that.

I would be all for it.

You know, the question is, who is he going to replace him with?

Because the Fed has to nominate.

It's not like he can just pick from, you know, anybody.

The Fed says, okay, well, here are the five people you can choose from.

And so who is going to go?

And what will those policies be that he is hoping to get?

I know he wants the interest rates lower, but we're in a very precarious situation.

You want them lower because it will help.

start the engine, but you don't want them too low or you could have runaway inflation.

You know, I think Powell was just playing games myself.

I'm glad he's gone.

I thought he was incompetent since the day he walked in the office.

Yeah, I've heard speculation of Besent being on that short list if they did get rid of Powell, moving him over to that, which...

That would be good.

That would be good.

Yeah.

I would trust him.

Yeah.

I mean, as much as I would trust anybody in the Fed.

But kind of as we've

talked about, is there any good option for the chairman of the Federal Reserve?

Do they have any good option?

No,

they have no bullets left.

They have no bullets left.

If you take

interest rates back down to zero, which I can't imagine they would, but if they would take them back down to zero, money will start sloshing around again.

But you know what will happen.

The big banks will get all of that money, you know, and then they'll loan that money out to you at a higher interest, but they'll end up getting rich.

And, you know, the problem is we need money

sloshing around to be able to have entrepreneurs take that money and build businesses.

When you're in a situation where there is a recession, every single recession, 80% of those who are hired and make the difference in the recession are from small businesses.

80%.

So if you want your economy to, you know, to light a match, you've got to get the money to the small business people so they can start creating businesses.

Especially since you've got AI and all these other things just chopping jobs.

You've got the big, I mean, Google, I was having a conversation with somebody the other day, and I said, I can't believe

two years ago, we would have never considered this as a legitimate thing.

Google could be out of business quickly.

Google could be out of business.

Do you know that their Google, you know, they make their money on ads?

That's how they make their money.

The referrals now are down like crazy, 50%.

Nobody's using Google anymore.

They're using things like ChatGPT.

So you don't go to Google and Google stuff.

You just ask ChatGPT or Grok and it gives you the information that you're looking for.

So where's the referral?

Where's the ad that goes with that?

Nobody's paying ChatGPT, and I hope they never start that.

But

how do you make money anymore?

How does Google make money?

They've got to get into the GPT world or the AI world and forget about the Google search.

Can you imagine having that conversation two years ago if I would have said, you know, Google's going to be out of business.

If they don't change and forget their search, they're going to be out of business in three years.

No.

Nobody would have believed that.

I can't imagine.

And you were talking about, you know, AI agents.

Everyone needs to get very, very versed up on AI agents because every jobs report that I'm reading lately or every major story that I'm reading about from these big corporations like Google,

they keep talking about like, you know, the percentage of people that they're losing or the downsizing they're doing.

It's all jobs going towards AI agents.

Mostly all of them.

So you got to, I mean, I was having this conversation with my son not too long ago because he's trying to figure out what he wants to do for the rest of his life.

He's in college and every single job, he's thinking about it seriously.

It's like, well, I could do this, but I don't think that's going to be around in five years.

I know.

When's the last time the country has been in a situation like that?

Never.

No,

you know, maybe the Industrial Revolution.

Industrial Revolution.

You know, I'm going to buy a new plow,

but

is the plow going to be something we use?

I'm going to buy some more horses or horses.

That's really the last time.

Because, and it wasn't all at once.

It wasn't as fast as AI agents are going to be everywhere by 2027, 2026 is going to be the year of agents, the introduction of agents, and they are going to catch on so incredibly fast because it'll do everything for you.

And

it's remarkable.

I don't want to say the name of the company,

but I know somebody that used to work for a major corporation and they used

AI software

on all of their emails and everything else.

And

everybody had to use the same software.

And

this guy,

somebody in the other group went on vacation.

And

that person came over and said, hey, could you run my group?

And he's like, well, I don't really know much about it.

It's not a problem.

It's not going to be a problem.

Just check with AI.

And so

when she was gone,

he did that.

People would come into his office from her group and say, what do we do on this?

You know, and he's like, I don't know.

Hang on.

And he would ask the AI and it would go through all of her emails, all of everything,

and see if it could search the answer.

And then if it couldn't find a direct answer, it would predict based on everything she has written and done, it would predict what she would advise.

Okay.

And she came home and she's like, it's like I never left.

Well, shortly after that, the company was like, yeah, you know what?

It was just like you never left.

Every four managers, three out of the four were fired.

I mean, we're talking thousands of people, managers,

three out of every four.

And, you know, my friend can't prove this, but he thinks it's because of that.

He thinks everybody, it's just all this wealth of human knowledge that had already been gathered.

Now it's in AI and

it'll make it easier, make it better.

So why do we need people?

The big slam used to, if you were worried about your job going because of progress,

they were talking about this in the green stuff was, oh, learn to code.

Remember how that whole thing?

Yeah.

And that came from Joe Biden.

The worst advice anyone has, I mean, that didn't age more than like a week.

Yeah, unbelievable.

Like now, you've seen all, you were talking about that Grok 4, you know, like a week or so ago.

You literally will just tell, ask Grok, hey, I want to code this entire program or whatever.

How do I do it?

It does it for you.

You can't even learn to code anymore.

I mean,

I'm learning how to weld.

For when you replace me with an AI agent, I'm learning how to weld.

That's never

going away.

I tell you,

it is.

I'll tell you the one thing.

I told my son this.

He's real empathetic.

And he feels people and he just loves people.

And

I said, he he was looking, you know, what am I going to do?

What am I going to do?

And I said, I personally think you should become a nurse practitioner.

And he's like, what?

And I said, look,

here's what nursing is going to become.

You are going to sit in a room in a hospital and you're going to be monitoring, you know, 50 beds.

And there will be AI that will be in the room monitoring.

But at times,

One of these patients is going to be like, I need to talk to a person.

And that's when the really empathetic are going to walk in and they're going to hold the person's hand and say, it's okay, because they'll need human contact.

But nursing will be so inefficient.

You won't,

it will all be done by AI.

The only thing AI can't do, at least yet,

is give you that warm, in-person, eye-to-eye contact.

I mean, look at our society.

Our society is breaking down because Generation Z

didn't grow up with dating, flirting,

uncomfortable conversation, none of that.

They didn't grow up with any of that.

It's all online.

Approaching a girl, approaching a friend awkwardly, whatever it is.

They have none of those things.

So that's why this profound loneliness is happening in our society because

nothing's real.

Nothing is real.

And we haven't even gotten to the spooky part yet.

We haven't even gotten to AI yet.

Nothing's real with what we have now.

Give this another year.

Have you noticed you look at social media and have you questioned yet?

I imagine you have.

I question every day.

Is that real?

Is that not real?

Is that a real person?

You know, is that ad real?

Is that ad not real?

You don't know anymore.

You don't.

Give it a year.

Give it a year.

And what's going to happen is it's going to become more and more specialized to you,

which will drive you further into yourself.

And I told you a couple of weeks ago about what I think the future of movies are.

Movies are going to be geared to you.

It will be AI and it'll have a basic script, but it will watch you watch the movie.

It will monitor your heartbeat, what's happening in your eyes, where you're looking on the screen, and

it will modify it so it's the best movie you've ever seen.

It may not, somebody else will have a completely different.

I'm just pulling this out of my butt.

I don't have anything telling me this is what's happening.

This is just where I would go.

It will monitor you so it will make a unique experience for you.

Everyone likes customization.

Right now, everybody likes it.

It's customized.

That's going to go out of style.

What's going to come into style, if we don't blow it,

is community experiences again, one-on-one people experiences.

But it's going to be driven by our generation, not the young generation, because the younger generation has never experienced it.

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So

Jason and I were just talking about,

you know, how our kids may be sensing that all of this stuff is changing.

Yeah,

what's crazy is, you know, I've had these conversations with my son just about the content that he's watching.

And it's not just him, but it's all of his friends.

They're watching very practical content right now, videos that get millions and millions of views.

And they're all about, how do I fix an internal combustion engine if it comes, you know, if this, this, and this happens to it?

How do I fix all of these different maintenance issues on my home, you know, if I have to?

He doesn't have a home.

How do I, that's what I said.

I was like, you don't even own it.

What are you talking about?

Like, I pay for your car.

Like,

why are you, and I was like, why are you doing it?

He goes, I don't know, Dad.

It's just very, very interesting.

He's like watching these videos of how do I survive if I don't have food or water for a month.

Like, why?

Do you sense something or?

It could be.

I mean, you know, we're out of time now to talk about it, but maybe we can talk about it tomorrow.

That the difference between men and women, the nurture

and the breadwinner, the protector.

And I think we're seeing both of those kick in.

It's natural, especially for the boys.

They sense some sort of trouble ahead.

They're preparing.

It's nature.

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