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Well, we have a few things to talk about today.

Let's see.

Epstein, apparently there was no client list at all.

Even though Pam Bundy told us that the client list was sitting on her desk and

then later that the New York City FBI was trying to obstruct her from getting all of the information there.

And

weren't they both in jail for trafficking children?

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Also,

the Big Beautiful bill has passed.

About 14 million people died over the weekend because of it.

It's a huge, huge tragedy, of course, and everyone lost their medical care and there's no health insurance whatsoever for the poor and indigenous.

And, of course, when I said the 14 million people dead,

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We'll tell you about that, but we have to start with Chip Roy and what happened in Texas this weekend.

A horrible.

horrible flood that happened in the blink of an eye

and the death toll now is over 70.

We're going to talk to Chip Roy about that in 60 seconds.

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Chip, it's been a bad weekend for you and those in your district.

Our thoughts and our prayers are with all of you.

Welcome to the program, Chip Roy.

Well, thanks, Glenn.

Yeah,

it's been a rough go for the folks down at Kerrville.

You know, I've spent most of the last three days there.

I came home late yesterday to see my family clean up and get out of the way

you know because at some point you know you you want them to be able to kind of do their thing but you know look it's also a great testimony to the

you know strength resolve compassion of not just people at Kerrville but across Texas and the whole country there's like long waiting lines for people to volunteer there was a backup you know a long line of traffic at the place where people are signing up resources are flowing in Musicians are scheduling benefit concerts.

You know, the local, state, and federal governments are all working in sync.

A lot of prayer warriors out there.

But, man,

it's tough.

I mean, I drove out there through Camp Mystic and out through Hunt, which is, I think, arguably the most beautiful part of Texas, certainly one of.

And there's a reason there's 18 camps there.

It's just an extraordinary part of the state.

And, you know, there's just a tight area there where if you get a flash flood like they got with that unprecedented amount of water coming through at that rate, it just comes through and it's just a torrent.

And the damage is pretty extraordinary.

When I saw houses wiped off foundations, trees laid flat, like massive, huge old cypress trees and oak trees just laid flat.

A lot of damage to buildings.

But everybody's out there cleaning up and getting after it.

And we'll keep praying for them and working with them.

I know that the Guadalupe rose, what was it, 26 feet in 45 minutes?

That's extraordinary.

Yeah, and I mean, it's hard to put in perspective.

And I tweeted out a picture that we had of a time lapse of what happened out in Llano.

And you could see it in about, literally, it was about a four-minute span where the water just rose up.

I don't know how many feet, but if you look at the video, it's extraordinary, just engulfing a bridge, filling up an entire river basin.

And people were, you know, responding to that tweet, like, oh, my gosh, how does that happen?

This is what we deal with in central Texas

generally with flash floods because we have hard, dry ground.

We have limestone with a very thin kind of layer of soil on top, right?

And we've been in a drought, so it's particularly been pretty hard.

And so, you know, you get then a rain like we got, which is basically a tropical storm type event that just sat and spun in that one location.

And that water is going to go somewhere when you're talking 12 to 14 inches of water.

And so that's what happened.

And it came down.

Look, I've seen a lot of different theories on this and people going, oh, well, you know, some people are saying it's, you know, don't worry, this is not the first time this has happened.

They should have been prepared.

You know, there was the flood in 1987.

There's been floods before.

True.

Yeah.

And

they are ready for that sort of thing.

But then how ready are you?

Well, what you saw here was a level of water that went so fast and so furiously.

And remember, between 4 a.m.

and 6 a.m., right, it was in that window of July 4th.

So, you know, they were prepared for flash flooding, but they were prepared for what you would call normal or even bad flash flooding, not the level that occurred.

And that's what happened.

So Dana Bash was on CNN, and

she was saying that, you know, this is the federal government, the two Texas National Weather Service offices that were involved in forecasting and warning.

They were missing some key staff members because of Donald Trump's cuts.

However, the records show that they normally have two people that are in there.

And because of the warnings that were coming out the night before, they had five people on duty.

I mean, can you comment at all about the Trump cuts that have gotten more people killed now or because of global warming?

Yeah, I mean, it's all just so absurd.

First of all, take one step back.

The finger pointing generally is just offensive when you're dealing with trying to find bodies and trying to deal with families grieving.

Like night before last, I was with the families who have not been able to find their daughters or who are pretty, you know, are learning the bad news about their daughters.

So that's where I was night before last.

I don't know where Dana Bash was, but she wasn't there.

And we're down on the ground with first responders trying to find people.

And we're trying to clean up debris.

And we're trying to help a community heal.

And we're trying to deal with, you got a camp director who died trying to save little girls.

And I'm there with his daughter, who is now there with the families.

of the people who lost their little girls at this camp.

And she was there because she loves them.

And you know how hard that was?

And you got these people like Dana Bash who are out there, you know, making this conjecture about budget cuts or the Trump administration didn't have people there, which, first of all, is false.

It's just not true.

And second of all, whatever we're going to do in analyzing all of this, do it in a week or two or in a month when we can sit back and take in all the facts.

We used to be a country that would do that.

And instead, now it's all about this politicization and this, you know, recriminations and trying to exploit we got media who are tracking down the family members right now and when the families say guys we don't want to talk they go dig up stuff on social media put pictures up on their kids kids who were alive 72 hours ago aren't alive now and they're grieving so that's the kind of crap we're dealing with and with all due respect to dana it's just not true okay and by the way you know whatever the the national weather service was doing do do you and i both believe that there's probably bureaucracy at NOAA and in commerce that could be made better?

Yeah, I'm sure you and I believe that, and I know President Trump believes that.

Should we improve it?

Probably.

But to say they weren't doing their job and they didn't have the resources there is a lie.

So that's

when you try to politicize it instead of pursue facts.

Let me just say this.

There was a flash flood flood watch that was issued at 12.41 in the morning.

Then a flash flood warning was at 1.14 a.m.

Flash flood emergency was issued at 5.34 a.m.

The problem is,

I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm not getting my flash flood warnings at that time.

This area doesn't have a great cell service, if cell service in some of these areas.

So you're not getting any of those kinds of warnings.

And the

area had gone through, should we put up, you know, like

air raid sirens, you know, tornado warning sirens, should we put those up?

And the town decided not to do it.

I mean, this is years ago.

I mean, I think it looks like everybody did what they were supposed to do.

It happened in the middle of the night.

Yeah, and if I look at this, and

I haven't studied at all what decisions were made, you know, by Kerr County or by the state or anything else.

And I know there was some stuff about a bill that was, you know, debated this last session, who voted for it, who didn't.

None of that really matters.

The question really is, or it doesn't matter at this moment.

It will matter in the long run.

The question for me is, you know, my gut and instinct is, you need sirens.

That's my gut.

That's my quick reaction is that you need sirens, right?

People in Tornado Alley and they live up, you know, they have sirens.

So in a place like this that has flash floods that occur every decade or two or five, and some can get bad, great.

You're going to need sirens.

You need a plan to get the high ground.

That's my gut.

But we'll talk to the locals and the state and the feds.

But look, here's the thing that's kind of interesting to me.

If you look through it all, say, okay, those warnings were put out.

So what are the double-edged swords here?

Sometimes we get flash flood alerts.

I mean, you know this in Texas, even in the Dallas, Fort Worth area, but certainly down here.

We get them a lot.

So you kind of pay attention, even when you get it in the middle of the day.

Like I pay attention enough as a dad to go, all right, you know, okay, make sure everything's good.

But you get them a lot.

And here's a problem.

When you get like, well, we're going to get two to four inches of rain, or we're going to get four to six inches of rain.

rain, and you hear that, you go, okay, well, that's a lot of rain, okay, but it sounds normal.

The question here is, when National Weather Service, when the state government, those folks, our Texas Department of Emergency Management started moving resources there because their view of the tropical storm, combined with what they were getting from the National Weather Service, told them that, yeah, this is starting to get a little bit interesting.

So some of that was happening.

People were paying attention.

People were preparing.

But it was an extraordinary event.

So a question can be asked: well, who knew it was an extraordinary event?

And when did they know it?

Did anybody know?

But how are they going to get the information?

Chip, how is anybody going to get the information to people, even if they did know it, at 3 o'clock in the morning without sirens?

That's right.

That's to me.

That's my starting position.

And then the question becomes, you know, before that, it's like, well, who knew what?

My observation of all this is the president, the federal government was doing what they normally do and more and some sent more people.

We're on top of it.

They put out notices and we'll have to go through and see.

Okay.

You know, there were different meteorologists who, from my observation here in Texas, were all still observing this late in the night.

There's a local guy in Austin who's pretty good.

And he was tracking it.

I was tracking it, Glenn, from D.C.

You know why I was tracking it?

Because I was trying to decide if I was going to go to Kerrville, where I go every year for the 4th of July for a big concert with my family.

Then President Trump asked and his team asked if I would stay for the bill signing.

And so we made a decision, okay, it looks like it's going to rain in Kerrville,

but we didn't know it was going to be catastrophic.

That's my point.

I was following it, and it looked like it was going to be heavy rains.

And then it got a lot worse late night, and then the warnings went out.

But to your point, you got to have sirens.

That's my observation.

Can you hang on just a second?

I have to take a one-minute break, and then I want to talk to you a little bit about the rescues that happened because some real heroism happened.

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Welcome to the program.

We're glad you're here.

Chip Roy joins us again.

There are some amazing stories of heroism

that we'll be telling later in the show.

Is it true that there are some that are just completely made up?

So,

I'm sure some of the things, you know, yesterday there was a story about two girls being found in a tree or something down a little south of Kerrville, southeast, I should say,

heading towards

Comfort in Kendall County.

And my antenna was up.

I reached out to the sheriffs in both counties.

Turned out not to be true.

We tried to get that information out as soon as possible.

And it's tragic because these families, they start getting their hope up.

I don't, you know,

a fake report, fake news.

So we had to kill that.

But there has been tremendous acts of heroism.

The Coast Guard that one individual was responsible for

some 200 people.

There was a lot of work to get food and water to people and then get them extracted.

We had 850 kids in these camps that had to be removed from the area with the flooding and with roads that were knocked out.

And then we had actual,

you know, rescues of several of the girls that were infected.

This was now two days ago, in trees and downriver.

And there were rescues made.

And then there were lives saved by the actions of camp directors.

There was a woman who lost her life, Jane,

I can't remember her last name, but she's a wonderful woman by all accounts of the people at Kerrville.

She lost her life saving some children the night of the floods.

And then Dick Eastland, who was the owner and longtime camp director, he bought it in 1973 of Camp Mystic.

Dick, and he was getting older, and his younger family, his kids were

in the family business.

They run the camp.

Mary Liz,

someone I've been talking to a lot, that's his daughter-in-law.

Dick died night before last trying to save little girls.

And

he devoted his life to the camp, and he died trying to save several girls there as the floods were coming in.

Can you just

clear this one fact up?

Because I can't find anything in any Houston report about

the city official that went on this rant about it was how it was just white kids and yada, yada, yada, all this crazy stuff.

But she made the claim that this was a white-only Christian camp.

And I can't find a single story debunking that.

And I find that really hard to believe.

True or not, Chip.

Totally false.

It's just absolutely ridiculous.

I mean, we've got, you know, this is a Christian camp that welcomes anybody and everybody.

And, you know, this is just the kind of hateful rhetoric that comes out of

people that want to politicize everything, demean everything.

Everything has to be woke.

Everything has to be through this DEI ideology that's destroying our country that thankfully President Trump and others are fighting back against and undoing and taking out of the federal government.

And we need to do more of it at the state and local government.

You know, it's just absurd.

I mean, the fact is these are really, really good people

who are dedicated to the mission of advancing the kingdom of Christ and doing so with these historic camps that have been multi-generational along a great and beautiful part of the rivers in Texas.

And look, I am hopeful that they will all rebuild and that they will all get back to operation.

You know, next year would be Camp Mystic's 100th anniversary.

You know, like I said, there's been four and five generations of kids that have gone through these camps.

And it is a look.

And people ask, like, how could you have these cabins and these things all right next to the water?

You know what the answer is?

Because it's right next to the water.

That's where you want to be.

It's where you want to be.

Okay, all right.

Jip,

I've only got about a minute left, and I have to ask you, why did you change your vote on the Big Beautiful bill?

Look,

you pushed as hard as you can get, and every step along the way, we got really good changes to that bill.

But for conservatives, we wouldn't even have touched Medicaid.

We got a trillion dollars in Medicaid reforms.

But for conservatives, we wouldn't have gotten nearly as many savings.

We got $1.6 trillion.

All of those things were along the way.

And at the last minute last week, I did not like what the Senate did to the bill.

You and I talked about it.

They did a lot of bad things to the bill.

We got serious action out of the administration that I believe will return all or most of the teeth on the green new scam.

so that we can stop the future projects.

We're working with them on executive orders and actions

that I believe they'll be doing this week.

We got a little distracted by the by the flooding, but I believe we'll get it done this week.

We got real reforms.

I think we need to go further, but I made the judgment that we went as far as we could go under the current circumstance to achieve what the President wanted to achieve.

And but we got to go much further.

Okay, I am not here for more deficits.

And I think this bill is good, but I think we need to do more work to get deficits going down on a second follow-up reconciliation package, appropriations and rescissions.

And that was a part of the decision-making, too.

Their pledge and promise to work with us to do that.

Thank you so much, Chip Roy from the great state of Texas.

God bless you.

We'll talk again, my friend.

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Could I address some of the hyperbole around the Big Beautiful bill just a little bit?

If there is anything in the Big Beautiful Bill to worry about, it is the increase in spending because the

spending ourself into oblivion is an actual threat to the country.

But that's not what anybody is talking about.

What everybody seems to be talking about is the tax cuts, which were already there,

or the tax cuts like no tax for tips, which you would think the party of the little people, you know, the Democrats, would all be for, but they're not because they're not party of the little people anymore.

And those had to be offset.

Okay.

Offset by what?

Well, by cutting spending.

But cutting what spending?

Not cutting spending.

Let me just say this.

If I said, you know, I made $250,000 a year and this year we were going to spend $300,000.

Okay.

And

you would say immediately, Glenn, you can't do that.

And I would say, I've been doing that for 30 years.

Okay.

You might say, bank's not going to give you a loan.

But then if I came to you and I said, yeah, I'm spending $300,000 a year and my wife and I make $250,000 or $200,000 a year.

But, you know, next year, I was going to spend $500,000.

Did you get a raise?

No, I didn't get a raise.

I still make $200,000 a year between my wife and I, but I'm going to spend $500,000 and not $300,000.

And then somebody came in, like an accountant with, you know, some muscle, and they said, Glenn,

you cannot spend $500,000 a year.

Would it make sense if I went back to spending $300,000, not $200,000, which I had, but $300,000, which I had been spending every year?

Would it make sense to you

for me to say, my children are now going to starve.

My children are now going to starve.

Look at the austerity program that I am on.

My gosh, they just got, no, they didn't cut anything.

They didn't cut anything.

They cut the increase in spending.

That's what they cut.

And Stu, could you please explain Medicare?

I mean, all of the people, I know they warned us.

I didn't believe the death squads would actually go out.

And, you know,

they want these people off Medicare so badly or Medicaid that they

just sent out death squads.

Trump's not waiting for them to die because they can't get their prescriptions now.

He's just having them slaughtered in the streets.

Yeah, that's the efficiency of the Trump administration.

Sure.

He wants these people dead so badly.

He's just killing them in the streets.

No, actually, none of that's happening.

And the Medicaid cuts are, as you point out, largely cuts to future increases that have not occurred.

The biggest chunk of this is the work requirements.

You've heard this, Glenn.

And I went through this and I was like, this can't possibly be what they mean, right?

Like, I was like, wait a minute.

When they say work requirement cuts, what does that mean?

So I dove into it a little bit.

and basically what they are saying is um you if you are an able-bodied adult

so that does not include old people does not include people who are sick and cannot work um and it also does not include people who have small children even if they are able-bodied and when i say small i mean 12 and under so if you have a 12 year old you're completely exempt from this but able-bodied adults who okay so people in wheelchairs nope no

gosh again i don't still nursing at home yeah this is where it's i'm having a hard time following this wait what now so you're an able-bodied adult um that is it does not have small children you

would be required to get medicaid to uh work 20 hours a week um now you might 20 hours a week or 80 hours a month

or 80 hours a month that is that's that's almost half a part a full-time job now you might say to yourself and this is actually true

some people can't get jobs, right?

I'm sure there are people that are trying to get even part-time jobs and maybe can't get them.

And those people are just going to lose their Medicaid?

Well, as you might understand, of course not.

Because what you have to do then is go through a process where you're basically telling them you're attempting.

to get a job or you are volunteering somewhere to meet that requirement.

So basically,

you have to fill out at the very least, yeah, it's like unemployment.

You have to at least fill out some paperwork here.

So it's the exact opposite.

Let me see if I have this right.

It's the exact opposite of unemployment, which we've had forever, where if you're looking for a job, but you can't get one, you can still get unemployment.

But it's the exact opposite, right?

No, especially if you're nursing

sex tuplets.

No, again, you're not very close.

Definitely

you're a little bit off on this one.

And by the way, Glenn, you might say to yourself, well, wait,

how is that a Medicaid cut?

Because they're not cutting anyone's eligibility here unless they don't want to meet the requirement.

Now, of course, there's always been requirements

to all of these programs.

So meeting the requirements has always been part of getting onto Medicaid.

But this requirement, if you decide basically to not do it and not participate and not fill out the paperwork, then yes, you will lose your Medicaid coverage.

So what they're saying is they believe

that.

Okay, no, I just want to make sure I have it right.

So what they're saying is,

if you are blind,

you're deaf,

you have no friends and you can't get out of the house and you've been on Medicaid.

Somehow or another, you signed up for that.

But now you don't even know because you can't hear the news.

You can't, certainly can't fill out a form because you have no eyes.

They just come in and rip your Medicaid away.

No,

none of what you said is accurate.

Though it is calm considering to some of the accusations, comparing it to some of the accusations made by the left right now.

But yeah, I mean, so if you are an able-bodied adult that decides, you know, I'm too, I don't feel like filling out the paperwork.

Or I don't feel like going to job interviews, or I don't feel like volunteering, then yes, you could lose your case.

But that's what they're saying the cuts are.

They think $317 billion worth of people will not bother doing those things for whatever reason.

Maybe because they have more money than they said, maybe because they're lazy, maybe because I'm sure there's some case where some,

you know, I don't know.

I can't think of the case because the ailments are covered here.

But yes, maybe it's, I don't know, some particular skin color that they will reject you.

I don't know.

But Glenn, and it's not just that.

There are other cuts.

For example,

some of the cuts are they are eliminating duplicate Medicaid enrollment.

So if you are, if you happen to have Medicaid.

If you can't double dip.

If you happen to have Medicaid

in two different states, they are going to try to stop you from having it in two states and instead make you have it in one state?

Hold it just a second.

I have two legs.

I have two arms.

I have two eyes.

I have two nostrils.

I have two ears.

I can't have two

Medicaid coverages.

I know.

That's insane.

It's really, really brutal.

I have two kidneys.

I can only have one kidney now

repaired.

Is that what you're saying?

That's not what I'm saying.

But yes, I'm sure that's what's being reported out there by Dana Bash.

Another one I will give you here, Glenn.

You know, they talked about immigrants.

You know, immigrants are getting all their Medicaid cut, and this is tough.

Now, what this bill does,

I want you to hold on to your hat here, Glenn.

Okay.

If you have green card holders and other certain immigrants, some will lose their coverage.

Actually, no, sorry, eligibility will retain for those people.

Certain other immigrants may lose their coverage.

The current law says all who are lawfully present will kick in after a how many-year waiting period?

Let me give you,

let me guess.

It's a five-year waiting period.

So it will be the next president who has to deal with this when some future Congress will just put it right back in and it's not a savings at all.

Then you have

Medicaid death checks.

They are going to require.

Checking on whether you're dead?

Look at this.

All right, this awesome.

It's crazy.

It is brutal.

It really is.

You're going to kick all of the immigrants off in five years.

And then you're checking to see if old people and eyeless people are dead.

When will you leave these people alone?

I know.

So anyway, we could go through this stuff all day.

But as you point out, most of this stuff is not at all what the left is saying it is.

It is not these desperate Medicaid cuts that are going to ruin everybody's lives.

A lot of them are just really common sense stuff, like making sure you don't have it in two states.

I mean, I don't know what the positive argument is for that,

but they'll make it.

Well, they don't have one.

That's why they don't make it about that.

Here's the thing

I can't take.

I can't take the moral superiority of the left.

I don't think I'm morally superior to the people who disagree with me.

I may think they're morally incorrect or morally misguided, but I don't consider myself morally superior.

I don't consider myself intellectually superior to those on the left.

I think they could be wrong.

I think they could be misguided, but then again, I might be too.

You know, we're all on the road of being right, but we're probably on the corner of wrong

and mostly wrong.

But we're all trying to do our best.

I cannot take the moral superiority from a group of people

who

honestly think they're better than everyone else, think they should make the decisions for everybody else,

don't have a problem with other moral issues at all,

have bastardized our faith and our religion.

I don't mind if you say, you know, Glenn, I think you're wrong about, you know, moral whatever.

But please don't put yourself into the situation to where you're claiming to be morally superior.

I cannot take it anymore.

I can't take my friends who disagree with me,

who want to pretend that somehow or another

I am a complete and total moral vacuum of a human being because I don't agree.

And here's what I don't agree on, that the Medicare cuts are going to kill people.

It's not going to kill people.

Tell me about any of these cuts.

that are going to kill people.

You don't have any, you know, what's happening is there is no standard too low, it seems, to the left.

You don't ever have to work.

You don't ever have to be involved with any kind of legality.

The law is just wrong.

The law is just wrong.

Always wrong.

I'm being persecuted.

I'm sorry.

I do believe that that is morally incorrect.

I believe the left's idea that you can't survive, you know, the world owes you nothing.

Nothing.

It owes me nothing.

For those people who think that the entire history of the world

has happened to get us here so you could be happy.

So you could have, you know, some fairness.

It would be nice.

But quite honestly, history doesn't care about me and history doesn't care about you.

None of this is happening because of me or because of you.

And in our unbelievable arrogance, we think we're going to affect it, or we think that we're going to be the ones that, you know, just we have to, we have to have it fixed right now because our situation is so dire.

I know I'm not expressing this well, but I just, I can't, I can't take it.

Get out of yourself for a minute.

Get out of your own echo chamber for a minute.

To think that the left has all of the compassion, which I think we can make a very strong case that that is just not true.

Maybe it used to be that all the compassion was with liberals, but I don't know what happened to liberals.

I just don't know.

And a lot of liberals, the ones I think are compassionate, have left not to join the Republicans,

but they can't stand being around their own people anymore because their own people have just gone insane.

If you ever hear me

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please point it out to me so I can apologize because I cannot

take it anymore.

I can disagree with anybody, but how dare you

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You know, there is nothing,

there is nothing wrong with admitting you were wrong.

Nothing.

In fact, I think it's a sign of strength, not of weakness.

A lot of people don't believe that.

I can never be wrong.

I can't.

No, if you were wrong, admit it.

And everybody will understand because we all make mistakes.

But right now what we have going on is I have two, I think, good friends in Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, who I have respected and liked for a very long time, still do,

who are now talking about there is

there's

there's no client list.

There's there's no

There was never any blackmail going on.

He was only selling the children or buying the children for him, Epstein, not

for anybody else.

That

there was no CIA or spook connection.

Even though Epstein was charged with sex trafficking, Maxwell charged with sex trafficking conspiracy.

Bondi said the list was on her desk.

Alex Acosta, then at the DOJ, who was handling the case, said he was told to leave the Epstein case alone because Epstein belonged to intelligence.

What am I to believe?

Now I want to believe my friends.

And

I have several requests out to both Cash Patel and to Dan Bongino to come on the program and talk about it.

We have requested Pam Bondi.

I don't know Pam.

I would like to give her the benefit of the doubt.

But somebody has to do more than just release the videotape.

Okay, so the videotape shows that nobody went in and killed him.

All right, good.

I see the videotape.

Makes a strong case.

I'd like

someone to answer, though, were these kids trafficked to air?

There was no client list at all?

Why did Pamboni say the list was on our desk?

Why did they say the FBI in New York was hampering their investigation and that's why they couldn't get that list out?

Well,

I don't understand.

And if they were wrong in the past, they should just come out and say we were wrong.

Have they?

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I don't know if she's quite as confused on this one as I appear to be.

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Liz wrote to me early today.

Let me see if I can.

May I quote you here, Liz?

Yes, you may.

Thanks for having me, Glenn.

Okay.

Yeah, you bet.

She said, give me one good reason why I shouldn't scream for Pam Bondi to be fired today.

And this was at 5 o'clock in the morning.

And I said,

I'm sleepy, but I don't think I can.

I don't think I can give you a reason

not to call for her firing today.

But I want you to explain why do you feel this way?

It's not something that I say lightly.

I didn't say it immediately after the White House Epstein Binder debacle.

And I want to very...

prudently and judiciously make this case to you today and to make this case to President Trump too, because Pam Bondi has become a liability to his administration, despite her loyalty in other areas.

So, let's start with the announcement from the Department of Justice last night.

A lot of us have a lot of questions about this announcement.

It just doesn't ring true with a lot of us.

We don't, we don't, we see a lot of evidence before our eyes that contradicts what we're being told without evidence to believe by the FBI and the Department of Justice.

And it grates on us because, like you mentioned, we are friends with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino.

They're the good guys.

We trust them.

And yet, we have to use our critical thinking faculty to look at the evidence before our eyes.

So

it smells fishy.

You'll notice it says nothing about whether Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset, which, as you mentioned, Alex Acosta, the attorney who cut the sweetheart deal originally with Epstein, said he was before Acosta's emails mysteriously disappeared.

So we have questions about that.

There are also outstanding, important questions about Cash Patel and Dan Bongino's definitive pronouncement that Epstein killed himself.

I'm sorry, I don't think the video that they released proves

as definitively as they were stating that case because it doesn't show what was happening inside the cell.

It just shows the cell door.

We don't actually see him kill himself, so that doesn't prove anything.

We know that nobody came in or left.

Where are they going to go through the little bars?

I mean,

I don't know what the internal of that cell looks like.

I don't know if

they have fire escape routes.

I don't know if they have adjoining doors.

I don't know if they have emergency exits.

I don't know if that video was doctored or not.

I don't know enough about that to simply take that one piece of evidence

and say, okay, that's a good point.

Just show us the room.

Show us what's inside the room.

Yeah.

We need more evidence.

One piece and one piece of evidence.

And I mean, it's great.

I'm glad they released that.

It's not enough.

Yeah.

The other thing, I wonder too, if Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are relying too much on the FBI's prior investigations, assuming that the FBI of old is a reliable narrator, I don't know who conducted those investigations or if it was done soundly.

I doubt it was done soundly.

So

may I just interject here?

I talked to Dan Bongino a few weeks ago about this off air, and he said, Glenn, we are turning over every stone.

We are going to get to the bottom of it.

We are, so, I mean, he led me to believe that, and I believed him, and I still do, that he was using new resources.

opening the investigation in a new way, following it closely.

And I do believe Dan Bongino is one of the good guys.

I do too.

And I've been told the same thing by very high-ranking officials at the FBI who I trust.

They're trustworthy people.

I do think that it might not be possible at this point to piece together everything because we know that there have been reports of evidence destruction.

So my issue with that definitive statement was the definitive nature of it, that this 100% happened this way.

Epstein killed himself.

Instead of saying we don't have enough evidence to piece this together or the evidence we have points to this.

All that being said though,

I want to talk about what happened last night because this brings us to Attorney General Pam Bondi, who just months ago said she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

When I went back and looked at that video, the clip of her on Fox News again this morning to make sure that there was not context that I was lacking, that there was not bungled phraseology, maybe nerves being on air.

I went back and listened to it.

She said definitively she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

Now, fast forward to yesterday, she says that it doesn't exist, that they don't have it.

That is a really big problem.

If I'm president of the public,

let me play this from Bondi.

This is back in February.

Here is the actual statement she made.

Listen.

The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Will that really happen?

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump.

I'm reviewing that.

I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.

That's all in the the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

So have you seen anything?

You said, oh my gosh?

Not yet.

Okay.

Well, we'll check back with you.

Okay, so now let me take you back to Cash Patel because something similar was said to me.

Here he is, cut 12.

So who has Jeffrey Epstein's

FBI?

But who?

That is...

Oh, So that's under direct control of the director of the FBI.

Just like the manifesto from the Nashville school shooting of the Catholic schools.

We still haven't seen that, right?

It's not the Nashville police or PD saying we don't want this out.

The FBI airmailed into that operation and said, this is not getting out.

Because they do that because this is another government gangster operation.

All these local law enforcement communities get funding from the DOJ and FBI for local programs.

And if you you don't cooperate, you're not getting your million dollars for this.

And you're not getting your, and that's a lot of money to these local districts.

That's how they play the game.

That's why you don't have a black book.

But the black book, it's not just sitting, I mean, that's

that's Hoover power times 10.

And to me, that's a thing I think President Trump should run on.

On day one, roll out the black book.

And not just that.

On day one, roll out all of the text message communications we were told told were deleted.

On day one, play the rest of the video of the pipe bummer.

On day, you know, he needs one of the reforms I talk about in government gangsters is you need a central node to be continuously declassifying.

This is another thing they do.

They overclassify.

And I'm telling you, as a former number two in the IC, they overclassify 50% of the stuff there to protect the deep state.

Oh, no, you can't see that.

Nothing to see here.

Gino was a master at it, of doing it.

And we still haven't seen half of the Russia Gate report that we wrote

still under lock and key

on how the ICA was originally constructed we went we put 10,000 man hours against John Brennan's team that did it and we found out why they came up with their bogus conclusion but we couldn't sell it to the world because we couldn't talk about it and the government gangsters came in and buried it all of these things there needs to be a continuing central power whether it's the white house or off-site that says every request that comes in just right out the door as long as it's not a major threat to national security.

Liz, they're both very clear.

It existed, but Pam Bondi did not say she had any names in it.

She kind of made me feel like she hadn't really even looked at it.

Cash Patel gave me the impression he had seen it, or at least he knew about it.

So how do we go from here?

Listen, people care deeply about the Epstein file because there was a grisly crime that we know for a fact was committed epstein was convicted of that it wasn't speculative he was convicted of it people feel that there's evidence of a cover-up not a not we don't we're not inventing a conspiracy there's evidence of a cover-up of this crime pam vondi as attorney general has exacerbated this trust and it gives me no pleasure to say this because i like to give the benefit of the doubt to people that are on our side but going back to that day at the white house in february pam i haven't told this part of the story before attorney general Pam Bondi, when we met with her, we weren't at the White House to meet with her.

We just met with her while we were there.

Pam Bondi bragged to us about making that cover sheet on the binder, the one that read the most transparent administration in history.

She said she had made it.

She had printed it.

She was proud of it.

She placed it on that binder.

Going to call that a severe lack of judgment would be the understatement of the year.

There is no way in my mind, and I have tried every way to Sunday to square that behavior with the announcement that we got last night from the Department of Justice.

Pam Bondi told us at the time, she said, I requested the Epstein files.

The files in the binder were the ones given to me.

Nothing was in them, she told us at the time.

Then a whistleblower called her.

She told us and said the SDNY was hiding other files.

That's the story she told us, that there's been a deep state cover-up.

So at the time, after we were given these binders, we waited, right?

You give your size the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe Pam Bondi will come up with the goods, even though the rollout was botched, to say the least.

But she, this is another thing I have not discussed publicly before, she said she had not seen the SDNY documents at the time that she was telling us about them.

I asked her directly that day in the White House when she said a whistleblower told us about these truckloads of SDNY documents, I said, have you seen them?

She said, no, she sent the request and they're bringing them to her.

So contextualizing all of this, suddenly this seems like unforgivable behavior.

How could she give the American people, not just me, I don't care about how this impacts me, how could she give the American people those phase one binders that contains nothing while at the same time bragging about the cover sheet that she made, the most transparent administration in history, and tell us that the SDNY had the real goods, that the binder was just proof of a deep state cover-up.

That was the real story she told us, only now to say, sorry, there's actually nothing.

So it leaves us with this situation.

What are the options?

The options as, well, was she herself set up by some deep state FBI career officials trying to make a fool of her?

It's possible, maybe even probable.

But here's the thing.

If you are smart, if you are savvy, if you are sharp enough to be the Attorney General of the United States, you verify such information.

You don't assume its veracity and publicize it for clicks.

And that's what she did.

So then we get to the point that we think, okay, well, what does this say about her judgment?

Is she just click thirsty?

Is she wanting to be a Fox News star?

Did she get out over her skis trying to make news, being, you know, a mega champion with those binders?

that maybe she had not verified the contents of and she definitely hadn't verified the contents of the SDNY truckloads.

You can't square this announcement with the binders, the announcement yesterday with the binders in February, unless you allow for the idea that Pam Bondi could be operating in a way that is unacceptable, went on Fox News, said she had a client list on her desk to review when she actually hadn't looked at the documents and was just saying that to be a television star.

I say this somewhat sorrowfully.

If I'm President Trump, I would not tolerate this behavior anymore.

She has become a liability to his administration.

I think the administration is probably just now coming to the realization of how much goodwill this whole debacle has cost them with their voters.

And Pam Bondi is not, is not worth it.

She's a liability.

It's time to move on.

Okay.

Let me continue the conversation because I want to throw out another possibility.

And it involves us, all of us, you and me and all of us.

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So Liz, I think you're probably in the same place that I'm in.

I really like Dan Bongino.

I trust him.

I really like Cash Patel and I trust him.

I don't know Pam Bondi, so I can't personally vouch for anything there.

And I don't want to think that there's something nefarious going on.

And I think it is likely, at least this is the most logical thing before you jump into the conspiracies.

We should

take one stop and say, Cash Patel was wrong.

Pam Bondi was wrong.

Dan Bongino was wrong.

I was wrong.

We didn't have the information.

What information we did have, we took and we assumed that that was correct and

we were wrong about it.

And now, now that they have access, they're wrong.

But I'm not hearing them come out and say,

you know, I made deep and profound mistakes because for years I had been saying this.

And here's why I was wrong.

And I don't think there's any shame in saying

you're wrong, but that is the most charitable explanation I can give, is that all of us were wrong about that.

And the left would love that to be true.

And quite honestly, I would rather have that be true than, you know, this deep state

is getting around the Trump administration and they're devouring our DOJ or whatever is happening.

What do you think the possibility is that all of us were just wrong?

And what has to be asked and answered to prove that?

Well, do you think you were wrong about Jeffrey Epstein and about deep state cover-ups?

Do you think it...

I don't.

I don't either.

But I don't have any.

I don't have any information other than my gut.

But go ahead.

No, I think we do have information.

Our gut is important, by the way, because that's our subconscious

way of piecing together the puzzle pieces that are spread out in our mind.

And so it's not just a feeling that we should ignore.

That's intuition.

And that's, like I said, sometimes your gut tells you before your mind pieces it together.

But I think we do have evidence that there, that, that contradicts what we're being told, even from people we trust, like Dan Bongino and Cash Patel.

And that's why it's so bothersome to us because we want to trust these people.

They're the good guys.

Most of us are friends with them.

And yet we're getting, we see this information.

I mean, even think of the medical examiner.

The outside medical examinations that happened to Epstein's body showed contradictions in his physicality.

with the story that he committed suicide.

His hyoid bone was broken, for example.

These things you shouldn't ignore.

Okay, if you can hang on one more, I'm going to ask you to just hang one more time and come back because I want to hear what you're going to say about Pam Bondi today.

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So Liz Wheeler is with us from the Liz Wheeler program.

She is fantastic.

If

you haven't watched the Liz Wheeler show, make sure you listen to it.

Blaze TV host.

Liz Wheeler, also the author of Hide Your Children, which is kind of good advice, you know, pretty much at all times now in America.

Are you going to call for Pam Bondi's resignation or firing today, Liz?

What I'm going to do is suggest to President Trump that he analyze whether Pam Bondi has become a liability to his administration.

And I think he probably already realizes this.

He's a smart guy.

He's a good CEO.

He probably realizes that she has.

People care about the Epstein files in a totally different way than they care about the JFK files.

We're all curious about, you know, who killed JFK, but the Epstein files just get people in the gut a very different way than almost any other deep state targeting.

And President Trump has lost a lot of goodwill with his voter base.

I didn't anticipate that

this would happen.

It caught me off guard a little bit at the end of February after the finders came out.

But people turned so quickly on the Trump administration.

It's not worth it.

Pam Bongi is not a liability that's worth continuing.

So here is the thing.

First of all, it's not just the Epstein case.

It's not.

It's just a symptom.

This is probably the biggest because people like me and you and everybody, Donald Trump, Cash Patel, Dan Bongino, when he had a show, we all talked about this at great length.

And so it's not like we're just obsessed with Epstein.

No, no, no.

We need to know because just like when they started coming after our children with CRT in schools, that's when America started to care.

This is about children being molested and possibly by

some Intel guy either from our Intel or from foreign Intel.

I mean,

why did our CIA director meet with Epstein over and over again?

He's not connected to Intel at all?

Really?

Okay, so

it is a symptom of the bigger problem.

And the bigger problem

in my world is,

you know, why don't we know about the pipe bomber yet?

Let me say it this way.

First of all, I don't care about the individual case as much as I care about making a dent.

We were promised that people would go to jail over COVID.

Haven't seen any action on that.

What about the Supreme Court?

Who leaked that that Supreme Court Dobbs case?

I can tell you from a very high, high,

in the know, absolutely style source.

They know who it is.

They just won't do anything about it because of who it is.

What about all of the January 6th, the Capitol Hill police, the video that shows that people perjured themselves?

Nobody went.

How about the Russia hoax?

Russia, Russia, Russia.

Nothing has happened on that.

Why haven't we seen people go to jail yet or at least have charges filed against them?

And I think that's why Pam

is a liability because either, and this should be addressed, either there's three options.

They're lying to us, which

I hope is the least likely.

Two,

they lied to us in the way that it was like lock her up, lock her up.

Oh, we're not going going to lock her up.

But I think it's way beyond lock her up, and that's a mistake.

Or everybody made a mistake, and now nobody wants to admit it.

None of those can stand because that will kill the Trump administration.

I think Donald Trump needs to understand

this is personal to people.

If you don't cut the spending, And you don't fire those who are obviously involved in a deep state thing, You don't have anything, really.

What are you doing?

You know, those are the campaign promises that are visceral to people.

Yes, because what you're describing can be encapsulated in one word, and that word is justice.

We don't want purple ox and orange jumpsuits because we're vindictive or because we're trying to target our political enemies.

We want arrests of people who have weaponized the power of the federal government, abused their power, and weaponized that power against us to harm us, to target our children, and to destroy our families.

And we voted for President Trump because he promised us justice.

And justice requires not just us being in charge of these government fees.

It requires actual justice,

which would require arrests because crimes have been committed.

When it comes to the pipe bomber, I have to say I do deeply care about that particular aspect of January 6th.

And while you can't say that you're confident in anybody in government at this point anymore, if I could, there's my cynicism coming out for you.

If I could say that I'm confident that we will get to the bottom of that case, that would be the case that I'm confident we will untangle.

And let me tell you, Glenn, when we do, that one's fundamental.

That one's foundational to untangling exactly what happened, what was inflicted on us on January 6th.

And we are going to get justice in that case.

Mark my words.

That one's coming down the line.

I agree.

Dan Bongino has told me off the air that they are close.

They are working on it.

It could fall apart at any time.

But they've doubled their efforts on that because they believe they're close on that one.

However, you know,

I go back to,

you know, what you just said is absolutely right about justice.

But if

we were wrong about these cases, and it was just Jeffrey Epstein and, you know, and his, and his, you know, Robin to his Batman who was setting him up with children, and it was only him and the children, then we need to know that and know that for sure.

And then honestly, once the people on our side are convinced of it and can see all the evidence that that is true, we need to be able to say, wow, we were wrong.

So we don't get it wrong again.

You can't build a house if you can't pull out some of the things, the cornerstones that have been laid improperly.

If this was wrong, if we got it wrong because everybody was telling us it was this direction, and our gut was telling us, we must know the truth and have the evidence that we can all look at and go, holy cow,

we were wrong the whole time.

So we can adjust.

How can I possibly

be a credible individual if

don't if if this isn't solved one way or another with credible evidence not just somebody's word i can't take

people's word for this

no and we shouldn't even dan vongino often says that we shouldn't trust him we should look at the evidence okay well we need to be shown the evidence that's another problem too and this is this is the most simple way of encapsulating this is we were told we would get the epstein file okay so give us the epstein files don't i mean we know how powerful words are in politics.

Think about H.W.

Bush saying, read my lips, no more taxes.

I know.

His entire reelection campaign was tanked because he then raised taxes.

The same thing is going to happen in the midterms to Republicans if they, if the Trump administration promises we will be transparent about the Epstein files.

And then suddenly, on a Sunday night after July 4th, they release a weird memo that says, actually, we're not going to release anything else to you because we don't think it's warranted.

You shouldn't believe anything that you've seen.

Just take our word for it without evidence.

Goodbye.

That's not going to cut it for the American people.

It's going to make us cynical and bitter and it's going to deflate us

would it be different if you had seen people actually uh served papers on uh you know the the covid debacle and you had seen people that we were making progress or somebody you know was arrested with the pipe bomb or there was there was movement towards arrests or towards a trial uh on any other of, if they had two or three of these other things and they were all percolating and you're like, oh, they got that guy, they got that guy, hadn't gone to trial yet, but they've identified and arrested them, would that make a difference on this one?

Because I think it would.

It would certainly make a difference in the trust the American people have in the Trump administration.

If we were seeing justice being enacted, then we would view the debacle of the Epstein binders as just, okay, well, they're not prioritizing that because they have higher, more pressing priorities, which I think we would all agree with.

If they were actually pursuing justice about January 6th and about COVID, those 100% are higher on my priority list than the Epstein stuff is.

That was never number one on

my list of what I wanted to see justice about.

But we haven't seen that yet.

I mean, there are a lot of questions that I would need to have answered specific regarding specific pieces of evidence from the FBI and from the DOJ before I would believe these dismissals, right?

Remember that Amy Rohrbach

ABC anchor tape from years ago that was released by Project Haritas, and she was saying, I had all the story on Jeffrey Epstein and even implicated Clinton, but my bosses wouldn't let me air it because they wanted to get an interview with the palace, the UK royalty.

They wanted a Will and Tate interview, so they didn't want to mention Prince Andrew in it, so we weren't allowed to air it.

I want answers about that before I just say, oh, Jeffrey Epstein was the only client, you know,

but Delaine Maxwell was just trafficking to him.

Well, what about Prince Andrew?

What about the fact that they've taken him out of public life?

If that's not an implicit admission of guilt, I don't know what is.

I don't think they would do that if they didn't believe it was true.

I need a lot.

And that's one of many examples that I would need explicitly addressed.

And I would need to be the one to be able to judge the evidence that contradicts what we have seen thus far if that exists.

And I mean, I don't believe it exists, but I'm not ideologically tied to this position.

The highest thing that I'm pursuing here is the truth.

You show me evidence and I'll let it lead where it may.

Liz, thank you very much.

I think you're very thoughtful and

you're well spoken on this.

Thank you so much, Liz.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, Glenn.

I appreciate it.

You bet.

Liz Wheeler from the Liz Wheeler show.

You know, we're in a situation where

I've been saying to you for weeks,

we can't turn on each other.

We can't turn on, I mean, you want to know how, you know, Elon Musk starts his new stupid third party.

And I can't, I shouldn't say it's stupid because there's times I just want to throw them all out.

And

if I believed that we could have, you know, the rebellion that we had against the Whigs and it would turn out the way it did with Abraham Lincoln, then I would be for it.

I don't think this is it because the people aren't passionate enough,

you know, unfortunately about the debt, or we would have had, you know, progress on the debt.

It's not visceral enough yet for people.

And that is his one issue.

But you start putting things like this together and you

make up ground on it.

That's why the president and Dan Bongino and Cash Patel, and again, I can't speak for Pam Bondi.

I know the other two.

And I have spoken to Dan recently on this.

And he's very frustrated because they are making progress on things.

The problem is

there hasn't been any movement of significance on any of these issues.

Nobody has gone to jail, even for perjury.

And we know that people, why hasn't, why, why haven't they at least filed charges against Fauci?

We know he perjured himself.

We know it.

Well, the cost is too high.

You know, we'll never really get him on that anyway.

Well, you know what?

At times you have to just swing.

Just swing.

At least put up a good fight on it.

But there doesn't seem to be anything that the public sees yet.

And that is my real concern because I trust these guys.

And I don't want to go down the rabbit hole of not trusting them.

But

just somebody needs to be on the inside saying, hey, guys, I know you're really busy.

I know what you're doing, but this is how it looks to the American people.

And there's some easy ways to fix it.

Fix it.

All right.

Glenn, real quick, just to quickly mention, I know this doesn't cover all of what you're talking about, but just to remind you that our wonderful former president, Joe Biden, did pardon Anthony Fauci for every crime he may have committed between the years of, I think, 2014 and his time leaving office.

So it does cover quite a bit of terrorism.

I think it's done by an auto-pen.

Yeah, no,

I get it.

I know there's controversy around it.

I just wanted to remind us of what a wonderful president we had.

I know.

We have all of these investigations going on in Congress.

I don't care about the congressional hearing because they don't go anywhere ever.

Ever.

I'm interested in what the FBI is doing and what the DOJ says we're going to prosecute.

They need more transparency just to show the American people where they are on things.

And let's just start moving on the easy ones.

For the love of Pete, just start moving on the easy ones.

Because it's not about Jeffrey Epstein.

It's really not.

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Guys, biggest story of the day, in your opinion, Stu, first.

The floods, without a doubt, I think is the biggest story of the day.

You know why you say that?

Why?

Because you have a heart.

Now listen to Jason.

Listen to Jason.

He's not going to say that.

Go ahead, Jason.

What's the biggest story of the day?

I'm madder than I'll get out, Glenn.

And it's all about this Epstein crap.

I don't even get it.

I'm going to get you in trouble right now.

I don't know if I should.

Yeah, well, I know.

Hang on, Grinch.

I want to hear a little bit.

I want to hear about really

people dying before we get to you, Jason.

So, Stu, what is the, what is the, I mean, besides the amazing rescues, did you hear about the guy who was in his home?

I think it was a trailer

with his,

maybe his mother-in-law or his wife, I think it was his mother-in-law,

and two children.

They couldn't get out.

By the time it was up to their ankles, and by the time he gathered all the children and tried to open the door, it was up to the waist and he couldn't open the door.

And so he broke the bedroom window and took the mattress and was shoving it out the window with his kids on top of it.

And

he cut his arm and sliced the artery on the broken glass,

sliced the artery, almost, I mean, you know, almost cut his arm completely off.

He's hemorrhaging as he's still pushing the kids and everybody out the window.

And at the very end, he says, I'm not going to make it, but stay safe.

I love you.

And he dies

rescuing his family.

I mean, it's amazing stories coming out of this.

Yeah, I mean,

it's one of the worst stories that I can remember remember in a long time.

Certain stories hit you in different ways, right?

Like,

I always thought, you know, and maybe it's the era of life that you're in, right?

Like, I was

had, you know, very,

you were at the beginning of,

I have kids that, like, were going to camp or thinking about going to camp this year.

They're right around the age of group of these girls that were killed.

And, you know, you think about back to like, the other one that always hits me like this is Newtown.

You know, obviously all these shootings are different, but like the Newtown one in particular, just, you know, five-year-olds and like just completely, you know, completely innocent and just awful.

Uh, so it hits me, it hits you at that level.

And then you also see the reaction to it, which has just been so ridiculous.

All these false claims about how, well, it's the budget cuts that have

the reason for this.

It's absurd.

I can't take people who are making these political points on the backs of dead children.

It's disgraceful.

I mean, especially when you know the facts, two people usually are on duty, you know, at NOAA.

There were five on duty because they knew the storm was coming.

All of this stuff about budget, I can't take it.

I know I did something poorly, you know, in hour one of the podcast today.

And,

you know, I just can't take the, I cannot take the

moral,

I don't know, snobbery of the left anymore.

The fact that just they're just they're morally superior to everybody else, and we know, and that's why the budget shouldn't have been cut.

You have no idea what you're even talking about.

Stop it.

Just stop it.

All right.

So, Jason, with your heart full of compassion or tinsel, I can't remember which one it is,

you're saying the

Epstein story is the biggest.

And

why is that?

Because I think Epstein is not the story.

I think it is the

truck or the vehicle that is bringing this story.

But

what the real story is here is the lack of justice, it seems.

Yeah, and you're right there,

how I'm feeling on this.

I mean, we've gone from, let's just go do a quick flyby of the timeline.

We've gone from, we're going to release the Epstein list.

We're going to figure this out.

Then, you know, the next year or so, it went to, well, we just need more time to do this, as Pam Bondi was saying.

And then Pam Bondi, again, the Epstein list is on my desk.

And now there is no Epstein list.

We're not sure what you're talking about.

I'm just predicting that we wait.

Hang on.

Don't just stop it.

It's on my desk.

Then the next line from her was that they are stopping us.

from getting all of the information we need in New York City at the FBI office.

And that's when I got on the air and said, if that is true, why aren't you there arresting those people who are being insubordinate in the pursuit of justice?

And nothing happened, which just didn't ring true to me.

There's something wrong.

Right.

And before I get to that point, I'll just say that in the future, we're now going to be saying that Epstein never existed, period.

He is just a made-up person.

We don't even know what to do.

Who?

He's probably scrubbed from from the internet at that point.

But Glenn, the only thing I can come up with here, there's two explanations, right?

Do you want the dark one or the not-so-dark one first?

I'll let you choose.

I mean, go with the dark one first so then we have a happy ending.

Okay.

So this is the dark one.

Why have these things not gotten out?

Why is the list not gotten out?

Why is this still being a secret?

Imagine, if you will, for a second, the economic impact of, let's say there is a list, the economic impact that multiple major CEOs, Fortune 500 guys, the richest people in the world are on this list.

Now, imagine having to choose, do we let this out?

And then you're like right there, you know, talking to the big decision makers.

If we let this out, the U.S.

economy will take this hit, this hit, this hit, this hit.

Can we do that right now?

And imagine that this has gone through multiple different presidential administrations with the same exact choice to make are they willing to let that happen can i tell you something can i tell you something um i learned something about myself i think it was last week or the week after or the week before what what was the uh week when we bombed iran

when feels like 14 years ago i don't care doesn't it it's so weird when we were going through that i i wrestled with my i know about iran i know the threat they pose i know the threat they pose to the united states of america but as i put myself in Donald Trump's shoes, I thought, this is why I couldn't be president.

Could I make the choice that I'm so certain that I could be the guy that started World War III?

You know, it's a very lonely, the presidency is a very lonely place.

It all rests on you.

And I just didn't think I would, you know, I said to myself, well, that's why you're not president, nor should you ever run for president, because I don't know if I would have had the guts to do what he did, which I think is the right thing.

On this one, oh, the economy crashes because we have people who are pedophiles.

I shut the whole country down.

I don't really care.

I don't care.

The economy collapses.

Good.

It should collapse.

This cannot stand.

This is children being molested.

I don't lose a wink of sleep if the economy nosedives.

Yeah.

Do you?

I don't.

I've never been in that position to where I have to make that call.

I would like to say say, yes, I would not.

I would do exactly what you said that they would do, but I don't, who knows what goes on behind closed doors?

And you went geopolitical there.

That was my other half to that dark scenario was multiple different world leaders, world leaders that you have trade agreements with, that you have multiple defense pacts with, all those things.

What if they're on there?

What do you do?

Now, what do you do?

There's phone conversations between their intelligence communities, yours, the leaders themselves.

Do you let this out?

And again, this goes back multiple different presidential administrations.

Who knows?

Who knows?

Can I tell you what went through my head when you said that?

I first thought, well, this is how bad, this is another reason why I'm not president, is because if I had world leaders on that list,

yeah, I would probably hold their names back only

if they gave me everything I wanted.

I mean, I would use it as political blackmail.

I would be like, yeah, you know what?

Yeah, your tariff is going to be 80% now.

Okay.

And by the way, you know who's on our side?

All the time, no questions asked.

I think about bombing, you know, a couple of neighborhoods in your country.

Guess who's going to be leading it?

You.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

Right.

It's so bad to say that, but I would be tempted to go, oh, well, we're going to get a few things that need to be done done.

Okay.

So you went exactly to the lighter explanation.

So for in my mind, there's only two.

But your mind went exactly to the.

So this is the light side.

The only other explanation I can think of why this is happening.

And the second one is we know the intelligence community is involved in this somehow.

Like Liz Wheeler said.

Why do you say that?

Why do you say that?

The CIA director does not just go and pay attention to in a direct meeting with a guy involved in a

if it's a low-end sex trafficking case, he doesn't just go there because it's a low-end sex trafficking case and have meetings.

Doesn't do it.

Give me the actual scenario on who visited and when,

where in the timeline was it?

This was Biden's CIA director, uh, last administration.

It might even have happened before he was CIA director, um, had uh multiple meetings with Epstein himself.

And then, even before that, as you mentioned before, Alex Acosta, when he was with DOJ handling this case, said, I was told to back off.

I was told he quotes

belong to intelligence.

Correct.

We know the intelligence community was involved some way if the reporting is accurate.

Which is, you know, something we can allow for potentially some of it not being.

And, you know, you do have at times whistleblowers that aren't accurate on their claims.

Yeah.

So if not, I would love to hear those specific explanations.

Sure.

Which we haven't happened yet.

So the lightest explanation I can think of is that, and this is similar to, because I, Glenn, you know, you had me go deep into the JFK files.

Some of the things we found once we got into them was that, well, there was a lot of conversations that sounded guilty in the JFK assassination stuff.

It made the CIA look not great in multiple different areas.

So the lightest possible explanation I can think of here is that the intelligence community at least thought about.

Allegedly, possibly leveraging this situation.

Like, oh my gosh, who was involved?

Maybe we can somehow leverage this in our favor somehow, whether that's through trade deals, whether that's through defense packs, whether that's whatever.

Think of something.

It was discussed.

Possibly it was never acted upon.

Who knows?

But they look guilty somehow.

And if that's the case, we won't find this out for another 50 years once they have like another JFK file release, something like that.

I don't think we find out at this point.

So let me give you a scenario when I come back.

And give me one minute.

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Okay.

Okay, let's you're married to a a spouse and you trust your spouse.

You always have.

But then your spouse

has left a receipt for a hotel or a motel in their jacket.

And you find it.

And you're like, what the?

You don't say anything.

And then you start to see charges about nice dinners out.

And then there's the late night meetings that start to happen.

And he's gone on weekends.

And he has a perfectly good excuse for all of them.

You know, he had to work this weekend.

I had to meet with this client, but he's traveling around, et cetera, et cetera.

And then there's Amex charges to places like Tiffany's, and there's no gifts coming.

Okay.

And so you finally take all of these things and you say there could be a perfectly good

reasonable explanation for all of this.

But he says, it's not happening.

It's just not happening.

Is it reasonable for you to accept that?

I don't think so.

Is it reasonable to say, honey,

I've always trusted you.

I still trust you.

But these things don't fit into the pattern of our normal life.

And I just,

can you show me why were you staying at this hotel?

Who are you having dinner with?

Why all of a sudden all these late nights and the weekends?

And what what did you buy at Tiffany's?

Now there might be a reasonable explanation for all of it, but you will never ever be able to have a good relationship in your marriage if he doesn't explain fully all of those things.

Because you will always have in the back of your mind, I think he was cheating on me.

And that's the problem.

We have too many receipts.

We have too many late nights.

We have too many dinners out.

we have too many lies that haven't been, that haven't made sense.

And it's all the same kind of people, you know, the Intel people.

It's all the same.

And we never seem to get an answer.

And now what Pam Bondi apparently and Dan Bongino and Cash Patel are asking is, we're married to them.

They're our spouse.

We love them.

We love them.

We've always trusted them.

But guys, you cannot come to us

and just expect us to dismiss all of these receipts.

You have to take them one by one and say, like you did

with the prison cam.

Okay, so I see the prison cam.

That's great.

Now Liz Wheeler says, I'd like to see what's inside.

Is there a way out?

That's reasonable.

Let me see the room.

Is there any way in or out?

I doubt it, but is there any way in or out of that room?

Well then, okay, you've given me the receipt.

Great.

Now let's just go down the checklist.

What happened?

Why was a prosecutor told, back off, he belongs to Intel?

What happened with Prince Andrew?

Was he the only client?

What happened to the black book?

Did that not exist?

Did you get that wrong?

Pambandi, you said it was sitting on your desk.

Were you lying to us or did you just shoot your mouth off which is you know can happen you just shot your mouth off and you hadn't even looked at it you had no idea there was nothing in it and then when you looked at it but then you came to us the next day or a couple of days later and you said oh well they're obstructing us from getting all of the information but you never arrested anyone

You never even sent anybody to question them that we know of.

Now maybe you did, but you haven't said anything.

That's a gift from Tiffany's that we haven't received a present.

And what did you just buy at Tiffany's?

I'm sorry, you can't just say, it was a gift for somebody, okay?

It wasn't what you thought it was.

Great.

Tell me what it is and show me the evidence.

That's all I'm asking for, and it's perfectly reasonable.

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So, Glenn,

where does this leave you?

Because I think coming into this

on the Epstein thing.

Okay.

Coming into this administration, I think that if

you had to design a team that would be responsible for investigating this, you wouldn't have picked Pam Bondi.

No knock on Pam Bondi, but you don't know her.

But you probably would have picked Cash Patel and Dan Bongino as part of that group.

Would have easy.

Would have easy.

Why would the belief linger?

If they are telling you this is not the, this is not the evidence they have, why would it the belief linger with you that maybe they're not telling the whole truth?

No, I'm not saying that they're not telling the whole truth.

I'm not saying that.

I'm saying they're not closing the loop.

For instance, Dan Bongino called me right after the first time and we had a long talk.

And he said, Glenn, you know me.

And I'm like, I do know you.

I'm not saying that you're lying.

I'm saying you got to close the loop.

And he said, Glenn, I watched the video.

Said, Dan, you got to release the video.

He said, okay, we'll release the video, but that still won't be enough.

And he's right.

And he's right.

I'm not questioning he's right about that but i'm not questioning the suicide i'm satisfied now seeing the video now liz said i'd like to see the room was there an adjoining room and another way out well no prisons don't you know prison cells don't usually have but just take a picture of you know what i mean just take a picture of that room that he was in that's all you need um and then That pretty much sews it up, unless you want to go deeper, that the tape was edited or whatever.

But you can't satisfy everybody all the time.

Right.

but that doesn't solve the Epstein Epstein it was rumored that he killed himself and it's logical that he killed himself because of the client list

who was on the client list that's what we've been talking about for the whole time who was on the client list who was in his little black book who would ride the airplane with him and even if he wasn't charging them who did he have the goods on well now we find out there is no client list there was no Black book, and he never blackmailed anybody.

Well, and to be clear, part of this is, isn't this part of this the way they're communicating this idea?

Because

we all know there was a list of contacts.

That's been reported, and we've seen it already.

We've already seen that.

The question is, is there an additional list beyond the one we already know about, which does not signify illegal activity.

It just has a bunch of names that are famous people.

So when they say there's no client list, well, we already knew there was a client list.

Well, both of those are, what they're saying, both of those are true, right?

We know there was a list, but they're saying that was not an additional list that signified some sort of hardcore record on illegal activity.

Correct.

That's what they're saying.

But by the way, just so you know, this is not just the hardcore right that believes this.

Because remember, what is the left saying today?

The reason why we're not seeing it is because Donald J.

Trump's name is in it.

And it also...

Elon Musk said that, yes.

Right.

So they believe it.

Everybody believes that there was something going on.

Okay.

So when everybody believes that something is going on, it's not 13% like it is the Kennedy assassination or the moon shot.

It's both sides deeply say this happened.

All right.

So can you clarify it before you go on, Glenn?

What is this?

Yeah.

This happened.

What is this?

That

Jeffrey Epstein was a child predator

that also was hanging out with others who liked their, not necessarily children, but their girls to be young, underage.

Not eight, but 16.

Okay.

That these girls were procured and trained not just for Epstein, but for others in his friend's circle, whether he charged them or not.

Okay.

And when you have that kind of information on somebody, then you

would tend to use it just to get favors.

But then you go into the intel, and this is kind of a pattern with Intel.

This is the things that people have done throughout history is get sexual escapades on tape or have proof of it and then use it to get your own way, either as a country or to blackmail.

And so when you're looking at his death, okay, for me,

I'm ready to go, okay, maybe he did kill himself.

Okay.

I don't see anybody coming through.

I haven't done forensics on the tape or whatever, and I suppose we could do that easily.

But it doesn't look like anybody went in or out.

And I believe that it wasn't edited by Cash Pattelle and Dan Bangino.

Okay.

I believe that nobody came in, nobody came out from the time he was put in that night and somebody saw him alive to the time they found him dead.

There's nothing going in or out of that door.

Okay, that's a big one.

But that doesn't, that now I have to go, okay,

but he went in for child trafficking.

So he was only trafficking for himself.

I need to see the receipts on that.

And it's not good enough to say, well, they're all gone.

They never existed.

Well, then

how did you convict him for trafficking children?

Okay?

Then there you have the Prince Andrew thing.

That is pretty compelling that Prince Andrew was doing something with Epstein.

All I need is I need you,

as I said, you know, if your wife or your husband is cheating on you

or

not cheating on you, but you find in their pockets or in their car hotel receipts where you never stayed with your wife or your husband.

There was fancy dinners out on nights that he was supposed to be working.

There's hotels and mysterious weekends where all of a sudden he's got to work over the weekend.

There's Amex charges to like Tiffany's or, you know, someplace where you haven't seen any present.

You can't just say, honey, the hotel receipt.

That was for business, and you can call Bob at the office.

We both, he has a receipt too.

I'll show it to you.

Okay, that's great.

But that doesn't answer the dinners out, the weekend works, the Tiffany's.

Just because you've shown me one,

I got to see answers to all of these.

If we're going to repair our relationship as a country, I need to see all of them.

I can't have any lingering doubt here.

You have to make your case, unfortunately, the opposite of what is legally required.

I need to be left without, you know, without the reasonable doubt that something was nefarious here through our government.

Not just Epstein, but through our government.

Okay, Epstein was guilty.

I would love to believe that

he was the only one molesting these children.

I find it hard to believe, but not impossible to believe.

But you've got to give me more.

Don't ask me for trust because I'm the bank of trust and not because of Dan Bongino, not because of Cash Patel,

because of everything that has happened over the last 50 years, the Glenbeck Trust account is closed.

There's no trust left.

You can't take any more out without making significant deposits now.

And that's all I'm asking for.

Make significant deposits.

You started.

You did one.

You showed me the tape.

Great.

Now keep showing me stuff.

Is that unreasonable?

No, I don't think it's unreasonable.

I mean, I think they might see it as like, hey, we've got a lot of other things to do that are really important.

Lists we've brought up, right?

Like maybe we've done all of that.

I just saw the big, beautiful bill.

We've got some money.

Spend a few bucks.

Put a couple of people on this.

Right.

This is part of your job.

I'm sorry, but PR

is a part of your job.

You got to do it.

Would you agree that part of the sort of implicit criticism before Trump got back into office here on this Epstein issue is that basically

they had all of this stuff, the Biden administration, they knew all of it, and they just didn't release it because they wanted to protect their buddies, they were involved, they, you know, who knows, too many of their friends were connected to it, right?

I think that was somewhat implicit in the criticism of Biden over those years.

And like,

if you agree that that information was easily accessible to the Bidens in the Biden administration and is not being released here, then you have to come to some sort of conclusion that this, there is

a bad intent by the current Trump administration to hide this from Americans.

And I don't think

I'm not saying that anyone had access to everything and they were hiding.

It might have been.

That's what we were told, that it was being held back.

And we were being told by Pam Bondi that after the election.

What I have always believed is sexual predators are not just Democrats.

They're not just Republicans.

They're not just Independents.

They're all of them.

They're not just truck drivers.

They're CEOs.

So

the pressure on all sides to not expose this,

if it's true, is enormous.

But here's where Donald Trump won the election.

He convinced us he's not part of that.

And I don't believe he is.

Right.

It would be weird to support him if you thought he was a child molester.

Yeah, no, not even a child molester.

Just not part of the buddy system where I'm going to protect my buddies

on anything i not not even this particular case but i'm not going to play that game i work for you the people

and he said and so many times right right and so

that is that that's where the trust and i don't think it has reached him yet i don't think it has reached him i don't think anybody's blaming him although If you logically think things through, and this is where the real problem comes in, if you suddenly don't believe Dan Bongino and you don't believe Pam Bondi and you don't believe Cash Battelle,

well, where's Donald Trump?

Because they all work for him.

And that's the real problem with not believing, you know,

because

I don't want to question that.

I don't want to go that far.

Do I believe Pam Bondi?

I'm more willing to say Pam Bondi is just a screw-up.

Nothing nefarious.

She just really screwed this one up.

I'm willing to believe that one, and it doesn't go any further.

But if no, if nobody pays a price for Pam Bondi coming on television saying, I got the black book right on my desk.

And then after that,

you know what?

There's nefarious things going on in the FBI office in New York and they are destroying the evidence and they won't allow us to get the evidence.

And then you didn't arrest anybody?

There was no, well, and you know, maybe you got it wrong, but you should have said that wasn't happening.

I was misinformed.

Well, what do you make of the criticism and this criticism only works if they really don't have this material on jeffrey epstein there aren't thousands of videos and there aren't all these things so it's it only works under that scenario but i mean what do you think what do you make of the criticism that look you know part of donald trump's strategy was to hire good communicators in these roles And the way he's found a lot of people.

And he's done a good job in that.

Like these people know how to talk to the American people.

But one of the ways he knows that they're good at it is because they had roles in media previously.

And a lot of them went on podcasts, did interviews, made big, sweeping promises that maybe they didn't have the actual backing to,

the under, the undercurrent of evidence to support.

Like maybe they were generally

sort of directionally correct, but they were over-promising.

They were making big promises on podcasts.

And now that they're stuck in a position to have to back that up with real evidence, they're unable to do it.

Don't do, I'm not asking you to do me a favor here.

I'm asking you to tell the truth because you've worked with me for so long.

Let's say Donald Trump hired me

to the role that Dan Bongino is playing because we did the same job.

Okay.

And this is nothing about Dan Bongino, this is about me.

Right.

Okay.

And I'm in that situation, and I'm exactly where Dan is, where he's like, he didn't kill himself.

He didn't kill himself.

What would I be doing right now in that role?

You would come out and say, gosh, we were wrong.

We made all these accusations before and we were wrong on all of them.

You would come out and admit it.

However, I would also argue

that you're pretty unique in that world.

You are not the most...

One of the things you're most known for, and I would argue maybe one of the reasons why your success has had a longevity to it that many others haven't, is because you're willing to do that type of stuff.

And you don't have any friends, that's true.

But it's also your willingness to say, hey, gosh, I blew it on this one, and come to the audience and be honest about that.

That is, as you know, not the most common thing in the industry.

Again,

no accusing.

I'm not like commenting on any specific person.

Honestly, I think Dan has been on show after show after show.

saying much of this.

Yeah, I think Dan has kind of done that on some of this.

So like, you know, he may be...

But again, like, if you're going, if you're still holding on after that, you know, you have to have a, I think you're right, have to have a problem with Dan Bungino.

You have to have a problem with Cash Bratella.

You have to have a problem with Pam Bondi.

And ultimately, if Donald Trump, you have to see how he reacts to this.

But if he says, actually, no, we do have the information and these guys are not giving it to you, you know, that would be a major thing.

If he's...

Trump is saying, hey, like, I agree, there's nothing here, then you have to apply that same criticism to him if you believe it.

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