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Also, Liz Wheeler is on, and she's taking Pam Bondi to task.

She says she's a liability to the Trump administration as a result of the Epstein news, and something has to be done.

She has to be fired.

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Liz Wheeler.

Liz wrote to me early today.

Let me see if I can.

May I quote you here, Liz?

Yes, you may.

Thanks for having me, Glenn.

Okay.

Yeah, you bet.

She said, give me one good reason why I shouldn't scream for Pam Bondi to be fired today.

And this was at 5 o'clock in the morning.

And I said, I'm sleepy, but I don't think I can.

I don't think I can give you a reason

not to call for her firing today.

But I want you to explain why do you feel this way.

It's not something that I say lightly.

I didn't say it immediately after the White House Epstein Binder debacle.

And I want to very prudently and judiciously make this case to you today and to make this case to President Trump too, because Tam Bondi has become a liability to his administration, despite her loyalty in other areas.

So let's start with the announcement from the Department of Justice last night.

A lot of us have a lot of questions about this announcement.

It just doesn't ring true with a lot of us.

We see a lot of evidence before our eyes that contradicts what we're being told without evidence to believe by the FBI and the Department of Justice.

And it grates on us because, like you mentioned, we are friends with Cash Patel and Dan Bongino.

They're the good guys.

We trust them.

And yet, we have to use our critical thinking faculties and look at the evidence before our eyes.

So

it smells fishy.

You'll notice it says nothing about whether Jeffrey Epstein was an intelligence asset, which, as you mentioned, Alex Acosta, the attorney who cut the sweetheart deal originally with Epstein, said he was before Acosta's emails mysteriously disappeared.

So we have questions about that.

There are also outstanding important questions about Cash Patel and Dan Bongino's definitive pronouncement that Epstein killed himself.

I'm sorry, I don't think the video that they released proves

as definitively as they were stating that case because it doesn't show what was happening inside the cell.

It just shows the cell door.

We don't actually see him kill himself.

So that doesn't prove anything.

We know that nobody came in or left.

That door.

Well, where are they going to go through the little bars?

I mean,

a little bat comes in.

I don't know what the internal of that cell looks like.

I don't know if

they have fire escape routes.

I don't know if they have adjoining doors.

I don't know if they have emergency exits.

I don't know if that video was doctored or not.

I don't know enough about that to simply take that one piece of evidence

and say, okay, that's

just

show us the room.

Show us what's inside the room.

Yeah, we need more evidence.

One piece of evidence.

I mean, it's great.

I'm glad they released that.

It's not enough.

The other thing, I wonder, too, if Cash Patel and Dan Bongino are relying too much on the FBI's prior investigations, assuming that the FBI of old is a reliable narrator.

I don't know who conducted those investigations or if it was done soundly.

I doubt it was done soundly.

So

may I just interject here?

I talked to Dan Bongino a few weeks ago about this off air, and he said, Glenn, we are turning over every stone.

We are going to get to the bottom of it.

We are.

So, I mean, he led me to believe that, and I believed him, and I still do, that he was using new resources, opening the investigation in a new way, following it closely.

And I do believe Dan Bongino.

is one of the good guys.

I do too.

And I've been told the same thing by very high-ranking officials at the FBI FBI who I trust.

They're trustworthy people.

I do think that it might not be possible at this point to piece together everything because we know that there have been reports of evidence destruction.

So my issue with that definitive statement was the definitive nature of it,

that this 100% happened this way.

Epstein killed himself.

Instead of saying we don't have enough evidence to piece this together or the evidence we have points to this.

All that being said, though,

I want to talk about what happened last night because this brings us to Attorney General Pam Bondi, who just months ago ago said she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

When I went back and looked at that video, the clip of her on Fox News again this morning to make sure that there was not context that I was lacking, that there was not bungled phraseology, maybe nerves being on air.

I went back and listened to it.

She said definitively she had the Epstein client list on her desk.

Now, fast forward to yesterday, she says that it doesn't exist, that they don't have it.

That is a really big problem.

If I'm president of the state of the world,

let me play this from Bondi.

This is back in February.

Here is the actual statement she made.

Listen.

The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Will that really happen?

It's sitting on my desk right now to review.

That's been a directive by President Trump.

I'm reviewing that.

I'm reviewing JFK files, MLK files.

That's all in the process of being reviewed because that was done at the directive of the president from all of these agencies.

So have you seen anything?

You said, oh my gosh?

Not yet.

Okay.

Well, we'll check back with you.

Okay.

So now let me take you back to Cash Patel because something similar was said to me.

Here he is, cut 12.

So who has Jeffrey Epstein's

FBI?

But who?

That is, I mean, there.

So that's under direct.

control of the director of the FBI.

Just like the manifesto from the Nashville school shooting of the Catholic school, we still haven't seen that, right?

It's not the Nashville police or PD saying we don't want this out.

The FBI airmailed into that operation and said this is not getting out.

Because they do that because this is another government gangster operation.

All these local law enforcement communities get funding from the DOJ and FBI for local programs.

And if you don't cooperate, you're not getting your million dollars for this.

And you're not getting your, and that's a lot of money to these local districts.

That's how they play the game.

That's why you don't have a black book

but the black book it's not just sitting i mean that's that's that's hoover power times 10.

and and to me that's a thing i think president trump should run on on day one roll out the black book

and not just that on day one roll out all of the text messaging communications we we were told were deleted on day one play the rest of the video of the pipe bummer on day you know he needs one of the reforms i talk about government gangsters is you need a central node to be continuously declassifying this is another thing they do they overclass classify and I'm telling you as the former number two in the IC they overclassify 50% of the stuff there to protect the deep state oh no you can't see that nothing to see here Gina was a master at it of doing it and

we still haven't seen half of the rushing gate report that we wrote

Still under lock and key

on how the ICA was originally constructed.

We went, we put 10,000 man hours against John Brennan's team that did it, and we found out why they came up with their bogus conclusion.

But we couldn't sell it to the world because we couldn't talk about it, and the government gangsters came in and buried it.

All of these things, there needs to be a continuing central power, whether it's the White House or off-site, that says every request that comes in, just right out the door, as long as it's not a major threat to national security.

Liz, they're both very clear.

It existed,

but Pam Bondi did not say she had any names in it.

She kind of made me feel like she hadn't really even looked at it.

Cash Patel gave me the impression he had seen it, or at least he knew about it.

So how do we go from here?

Listen, people care deeply about the Epstein file because there was a grisly crime that we know for a fact was committed.

Epstein was convicted of that.

It wasn't speculative.

He was convicted of it.

People feel that there's evidence of a cover-up.

We're not inventing a conspiracy.

There's evidence of a cover-up of this crime.

Pam Bondi, as Attorney General, has exacerbated this trust.

And it gives me no pleasure to say this because I like to give the benefit of the doubt to people that are on our side.

But going back to that day at the White House in February,

I haven't told this part of the story before.

Attorney General Pam Bondi, when we met with her, we weren't at the White House to meet with her.

We just met with her while we were there.

Pam Bondi bragged to us about making that cover sheet on the binder, the one that read the most transparent administration in history.

She said she had made it.

She had printed it.

She was proud of it.

She placed it on that binder.

Going to call that a severe lack of judgment would be the understatement of the year.

There is no way in my mind, and I have tried every way to Sunday to square that behavior with the announcement that we got last night from the Department of Justice.

Pam Bondi told us at the time, she said, I requested the Epstein files.

The files in the binder were the ones given to me.

Nothing was in them, she told us at the time.

Then a whistleblower called her.

She told us and said the SDNY was hiding other files.

That's the story she told us, that there's been a deep state cover-up.

So at the time, after we were given these binders, we waited, right?

You give your side the benefit of the doubt.

Maybe Pam Bonnie will come up with the goods, even though the rollout was botched, to say the least.

But she, this is another thing I have not discussed publicly before.

She said she had not seen the SDNY documents at the time that she was telling us about them.

I asked her directly that day in the White House when she said a whistleblower told us about these truckloads of SDNY documents, I said, have you seen them?

She said, no, she sent the request and they're bringing them to her.

So contextualizing all of this, suddenly this seems like unforgivable behavior.

How could she give the American people, not just me, I don't care about how this impacts me.

How could she give the American people those phase one binders that contained nothing?

while at the same time bragging about the cover sheet that she made, the most transparent administration in history, and tell us that the SDNY had the real goods, that the binder was just proof of a deep state cover-up.

That was the real story she told us, only now to say, sorry, there's actually nothing.

So it leaves us with this situation.

What are the options?

The options as, well, was she herself set up by some deep state FBI career officials trying to make a fool of her?

It's possible, maybe even probable.

But here's the thing.

If you are smart, if you are savvy, if you are sharp enough to be the Attorney General of the United States, you verify such information.

You don't assume its veracity and publicize it for click.

And that's what she did.

So then we get to the point that we think, okay, well, what does this say about her judgment?

Is she just click thirsty?

Is she wanting to be a Fox News star?

Did she get out over her skis trying to make news, being a mega champion with those binders that maybe she had not verified the contents of?

And she definitely hadn't verified the contents of the SDNY truckloads.

You can't square this announcement with the binders, the announcement yesterday with the binders in February, unless you allow for the idea that Pam Bondi could be operating in a way that is unacceptable, went on Fox News, said she had a client list on her desk to review when she actually hadn't looked at the documents and was just saying that to be a television star.

I say this somewhat sorrowfully.

If I'm President Trump, I would not tolerate this behavior anymore.

She has become a liability to his administration.

I think the administration is probably just now coming to the realization of how much goodwill this whole debacle has cost them with their voters.

And Pam Bondi is not worth it.

She's a liability.

It's time to move on.

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Let's go to Chip Roy.

Chip, it's been a bad weekend for you and those those in your district.

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Welcome to the program, Chip Roy.

Well, thanks, Glenn.

Yeah,

it's been a rough go for the folks down at Kerrville.

You know, I've spent most of the last three days there.

I came home late yesterday to see my family clean up and get out of the way,

you know, because at some point, you know, you want them to be able to kind of do their thing.

But, you know, look, it's also a great testimony to the,

you know, strength, resolve, compassion of not just the people at Kerrville, but across Texas and the whole country.

There's like long waiting lines for people to volunteer.

There was a backup, you know, a long line of traffic at the place where people are signing up.

Resources are flowing in.

Musicians are scheduling benefit concerts.

You know, the local, state, and federal governments are all working in sync.

A lot of prayer warriors out there.

But man,

it's tough.

I mean, I drove out there through Camp Mystic and out through Hunt, which is, I think, arguably the most beautiful part of Texas,

certainly one of.

And there's a reason there's 18 camps there.

It's just an extraordinary part of the state.

And, you know, there's just a tight area there where if you get a flash flood like they got with that unprecedented amount of water coming through at that rate, it just comes through and it's just a torrent.

And the damage is pretty extraordinary.

When I saw houses wiped off foundations, trees laid flat, like massive, huge old cypress trees and oak trees just laid flat.

A lot of damage to buildings, but everybody's out there cleaning up and getting after it.

And we'll keep praying for them and working with them.

I know that the Guadalupe rose, what was it, 26 feet in 45 minutes?

That's extraordinary.

Yeah, and I mean, it's hard to put in perspective.

And I tweeted out a picture that we had of a time lapse of what happened out in Atlanto.

And you could see it in about literally, it was about a four-minute span where the water just rose up.

I don't know how many feet, but if you look at the video, it's extraordinary.

It's engulfing a bridge, filling up an entire river basin.

And people were

responding to that tweet, like, oh my gosh, how does that happen?

This is what we deal with in central Texas

generally with flash floods because we have hard, dry ground.

We have limestone with a very thin kind of layer of soil on top, right?

And we've been in a drought, so it's particularly been pretty hard.

And so, you know, you get then a rain like we got, which is basically a tropical storm type event that just sat and spun in that one location.

And that water is going to go somewhere when you're talking 12 to 14 inches of water.

And so that's what happened.

And it came down.

Look, I've seen a lot of different theories on this and people going, oh, well, you know, some people are saying it's, you know, don't worry, this is not the first time this has happened.

They should have been prepared.

You know, there was the flood in 1987.

There's been floods before.

True.

And they are ready for that sort of thing.

But then how ready are you?

Well, what you saw here was a level of water that went so fast.

and so furiously.

And remember, between 4 a.m.

and 6 a.m., right, it was in that window of July 4th.

So, you know, they were prepared for flash flooding, but they were prepared for what you would call normal or even bad flash flooding, not the level that occurred.

And that's what happened.

So Dana Bash was on CNN, and

she was saying that, you know, this is the federal government, you know, the two Texas National Weather Service offices that were involved in forecasting and warning.

They were missing some key staff members because of Donald Trump's cuts.

However, the records show that they normally have two people that are in there.

And because of the warnings that were coming out the night before, they had five people on duty.

I mean, can you comment at all about the Trump cuts that have gotten more people killed now or

because of global warming?

Yeah, I mean, it's all just so absurd.

First of all, take one step back.

The finger pointing generally is just offensive when you're dealing with trying to find bodies and trying to deal with families grieving.

Like night before last, I was with the families who have not been able to find their daughters or who are pretty, you know, are learning the bad news about their daughters.

So that's where I was night before last.

I don't know where Dana Bash was, but she wasn't there.

And we're down on the ground with first responders trying to find people.

And we're trying to clean up debris.

And we're trying to help a community heal.

And we're trying to deal with, you got a camp director who died trying to save little girls.

And I'm there with his daughter, who is now there with the families of the people who lost their little girls at this camp.

And she was there because she loves them.

And you know how hard that was?

And you got these people like Dana Bash who were out there.

you know, making this conjecture about budget cuts or the Trump administration didn't have people there, which first of all is false.

It's just not true.

And second of all, whatever we're going to do in analyzing all of this, do it in a week or two or in a month when we can sit back and take in all the facts.

We used to be a country that would do that.

And instead, now it's all about this politicization and this, you know, recriminations and trying to exploit.

We got media who are tracking down the family members right now.

And when the families say, guys, we don't want to talk, they go dig up stuff on social media, put pictures up on their kids.

Kids who were alive 72 hours ago aren't alive now, and they're grieving.

So that's the kind of crap we're dealing with.

And with all due respect to Dana, it's just not true.

Okay.

And by the way, you know, whatever the the National Weather Service was doing, do do you and I both believe that there's probably bureaucracy at NOAA and in commerce that could be made better?

Yeah, I'm sure you and I believe that, and I know President Trump believes that.

Should we improve it?

Probably.

But to say they weren't doing their job and they didn't have the resources there is a lie.

Well, so that's

when you try to politicize it instead of pursue facts.

Let me just say this.

There was a flash flood flood watch that was issued at 1241 in the morning.

Then a flash flood warning was at 1.14 a.m.

Flash flood emergency was issued at 5.34 a.m.

The problem is, I mean, I don't know about you, but I'm not getting my flash flood warnings at that time.

This area doesn't have a great cell service, if cell service in some of these areas.

So you're not getting any of those kinds of warnings.

And

the area had gone through, should we put up, you know, like

air raid sirens, you know, tornado warning sirens, should we put those up?

And the town decided not to do it.

I mean, this is years ago.

I mean, I think it looks like everybody did what they were supposed to do.

It happened in the middle of the night.

Yeah.

And if I look at this, and

I haven't studied at all what decisions were made, you know, by Kirk County or by the state or anything else.

And I know there was some stuff about a bill that was debated this last session and who voted for it, who didn't.

None of that really matters.

The question really is, or it doesn't matter at this moment.

It will matter in the long run.

The question for me is, you know, my gut and instinct is, you need sirens.

That's my gut.

That's my quick reaction.

Yeah.

is that you need sirens, right?

People in Tornado Alley and they live up, you know, they have sirens.

So in a place like this that has flash floods that occur every decade or two or five, and some can get bad, great.

You're going to need sirens.

You need a plane to get the high ground.

That's my gut.

But we'll, we'll talk to the locals and the state and the feds.

But look, here's the thing that's kind of interesting to me.

If you look through it all, say, okay, those warnings were put out.

So what are the double-edged swords here?

Sometimes we get flash flood alerts.

I mean, you know this in Texas, even in the Dallas, Fort Worth area, but certainly down here.

We get them a lot.

So you kind of pay attention, even when you get it in the middle of the day.

Like I pay attention enough as a dad to go, all right, you know, okay, make sure everything's good.

But you get them a lot.

And here's a problem.

When you get like, well, we're going to get two to four inches of rain, or we're going to get four to six inches of rain.

And you hear that, you go, okay, well, that's a lot of rain.

Okay, but it sounds normal.

The question here is, when National Weather Service, when the state government, those folks, our Texas Department of Emergency Management started moving resources there because their view of the tropical storm, combined with what they were getting from the National Weather Service, told them that, yeah, this is starting to get a little bit interesting.

So some of that was happening.

People were paying attention.

People were preparing, but it was an extraordinary event.

So a question can be asked, well, who knew it was an extraordinary event and when did they know it?

Did anybody?

How are they going to get the information?

Chip, how is anybody going to get the information to people, even if they did know it, at 3 o'clock in the morning without sirens?

That's right.

That's to me.

That's my starting position.

And then the question becomes, you know, before that, it's like, well, who knew what?

My observation of all this is the president, the federal government was doing what they normally do and more and some.

sent more people.

We're on top of it.

They put out notices.

And we'll have to go through and see.

Okay.

You know, there were different meteorologists who, from my observation here in Texas, were all still observing this late in the night.

There's a local guy in Austin who's pretty good, and he was tracking it.

I was tracking it, Glenn, from D.C.

You know why I was tracking it?

Because I was trying to decide if I was going to go to Kerrville, where I go every year for the 4th of July for a big concert with my family.

Then President Trump asked and his team asked if I would stay for the bill signing.

And so we made a decision, okay, it looks like it's going to rain in Kerrville,

but we didn't know it was going to be catastrophic.

That's my point.

I was following it and it looked like it was going to be heavy rains and then it got a lot worse late night and then the warnings went out.

But to your point, you got to have sirens.

That's my observation.

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All right, we welcome Stuart Gere to the program, our executive producer and our head writer for television and also our chief researcher, Jason Buttrill.

Guys, biggest story of the day, in your opinion, Stu, first.

The floods, without a doubt, I think is the biggest story of the day.

It is so- You know why you say that?

Why?

Because you have a heart.

Now, listen to Jason.

Listen to Jason.

He's not going to say that.

Go ahead, Jason.

What's the biggest story of the day?

I'm madder than I'll get out, Glenn.

It's all about this Epstein crap.

I don't even get it.

I'm going to get you in trouble right now.

I don't know if I should.

Yeah, well, I don't,

hang on, Grinch.

I want to hear a little bit.

I want to hear about really people dying before we get to you, Jason.

So, Stu, what is the, what is the, I mean, besides the amazing rescues, did you hear about the guy who was in his home, I think it was a trailer, uh, with his,

maybe his mother-in-law or his wife, I think it was his mother-in-law, uh, and two children.

They couldn't get out by the time it was up to their ankles.

And by the time he gathered all the children and tried to open the door, it was up to the waist and he couldn't open the door.

And so he broke the bedroom window and took the mattress and was shoving it out the window with his kids on top of it.

And he

cut his arm and sliced the artery on the broken glass,

sliced the artery, almost, I mean, you know, almost cut his arm completely off.

He's hemorrhaging as he's still pushing the kids and everybody out the window.

And at the very end, he says, I'm not going to make it, but stay safe.

I love you.

And he dies

rescuing his family.

I mean, it's amazing stories coming out of this.

Yeah, I mean,

it's one of the worst stories that I can remember in a long time.

Certain stories hit you in different ways, right?

Like,

I always thought, you know, and maybe it's, you know, the era of life that you're in, right?

Like, I was had, you know, very,

you were at the beginning of,

I have kids that, like, were going to camp or thinking about going to camp this year.

They're right around the age of group group of these girls that were killed.

And, you know, you think about back to like, the other one that always hits me like this is Newtown.

You know, obviously all these shootings are different, but like the Newtown one in particular, just, you know, five-year-olds and like just completely, you know, completely innocent and just awful.

So it hits me, it hits you at that level.

And then then you also see the reaction to it, which has just been so ridiculous.

All these false claims about how, well, it's the budget cuts that have

the reason for this.

It's absurd.

I can't take it.

I'm not taking people who are making these political points on the backs of dead children.

It's disgraceful.

I mean, especially when you know the facts, two people usually are on duty.

you know, at NOAA.

There were five on duty because they knew the storm was coming all of this stuff about budget i can't take it it it

i did something poorly uh you know in hour one of the podcast today and it

you know i just can't take the i cannot take the um the moral uh

i don't know snobbery of the left anymore.

The fact that just they're just they're morally superior to everybody else.

And we know.

And that's why the budget shouldn't have been cut.

You have no idea what you're even talking about.

Stop it.

Just stop it.

All right.

So, Jason, with your heart full of compassion or tinsel, I can't remember which one it is.

You're saying the

Epstein story is the biggest.

And

why is that?

Because I think Epstein is not the story.

I think it is

the truck or the vehicle that is bringing this story.

but the

what the real story is here is the lack of justice, it seems.

Yeah, and you're you're right there, uh, how I'm feeling on this.

I mean, we've gone from, let's just go do a quick flyby of the timeline.

We've gone from, we're going to release the Epstein list.

We're going to figure this out.

Uh, then, you know, the next year or so, it went to, well, we just need more time to do this, as Pam Bondi was saying.

And then Pam Bondi, again, the Epstein list is on my desk.

And now there is no Epstein list.

We're not sure what you're talking about.

I'm just predicting.

Hang on.

Don't just stop it.

It's on my desk.

Then the next line from her was

that they are stopping us

from getting all of the information we need in New York City at the FBI office.

And that's when I got on the air and said, if that is true, why aren't you there arresting those people who are being insubordinate in the pursuit of justice?

And nothing happened, which just didn't ring true to me.

There's something wrong.

Right.

And before I get to that point, I'll just say that in the future, we're now going to be saying that Epstein never existed, period.

He is just a made-up person.

We don't even know who?

He's probably scrubbed from the internet at that point.

But Glenn, the only thing I can come up with here, there's two explanations, right?

Do you want the dark one or the not-so-dark one first?

I'll let you choose.

I mean, go with the dark one first so then we have a happy ending.

Okay.

So this is the dark one.

Why have these things not gotten out?

Why is the list not gotten out?

Why is this still being a secret?

Imagine, if you will, for a second, the economic impact of, let's say there is a list, the economic impact that multiple major CEOs, Fortune 500 guys, the richest people in the world are on this list.

Now, imagine having to choose, do we let this out?

And then you're like right there, you know, talking to the big decision makers.

If we let this out, the U.S.

economy will take this hit, this hit, this hit, this hit.

Can we do that right now?

And imagine that this has gone through multiple different presidential administrations with the same exact choice to make.

Are they willing to let that happen?

Can I tell you something?

Can I tell you something?

I learned something about myself.

I think it was last week or the week after or the week before.

What was the week when we bombed Iran?

When we were talking about it.

Feels like 14 years ago.

I can't.

Doesn't it?

It's so weird.

When we were going through that,

I wrestled with my, I know about Iran.

I know the threat they pose.

I know the threat they pose to the United States of America.

But as I put myself in Donald Trump's shoes, I thought, this is why I couldn't be president.

Could I make the choice that I'm so certain that I could be the guy that started World War III?

You know, it's a very lonely place.

The presidency is a very lonely place.

It all rests on you.

And I just didn't think I would, you know, I said to myself, well, that's why you're not president, nor should you ever run for president.

Because I don't know if I would have had the guts to do what he did, which I think is the right thing.

On this one, oh, the economy crashes because we we have people who are pedophiles.

I shut the whole country down.

I don't really care.

I don't care.

The economy collapses.

Good.

It should collapse.

This cannot stand.

This is children being molested.

I don't lose a wink of sleep if the economy nosedives.

Yeah.

Do you?

I don't.

I've never been in that position to where I have to make that call.

I would like to say yes.

I would not.

I would do exactly what you said that they would do, but I don't, who knows what goes on behind closed doors?

And you went geopolitical there that was my other half to that dark scenario was multiple different world leaders world leaders that you have trade agreements with that you have multiple defense pacts with all those things what if they're on there what do you do now what do you do there's phone conversations between their intelligence communities yours the leaders themselves do you let this out and again this goes back multiple different presidential administrations

who knows who knows

can i tell you what went through my head when you said that?

My first thought, well, this is how bad.

This is another reason why I'm not president, is because if I had world leaders on that list,

yeah, I would probably hold their names back only

if they gave me everything I wanted.

I mean, I wouldn't use it as political blackmail.

I would be like, yeah, you know what?

Yeah, your tariff is going to be 80% now.

Okay.

And by the way, you know who's on our side?

All the time, no questions asked.

I think about bombing, you know, a couple of neighborhoods in your country.

Guess who's going to be leading it?

You.

Okay.

You know what I mean?

It's so bad to say that, but I would be tempted to go, oh, well, we're going to get a few things that need to be done done.

Okay.

So you went exactly to the lighter explanation.

So for in my mind, there's only two.

But your mind went exactly to the, so this is the light side.

The only other explanation I can think of why this is happening.

And the second one is, We know the intelligence community is involved in this somehow.

Like Liz Wheeler said.

Why do you say that?

Why do you say that?

The CIA director does not just go and pay attention to in a direct meeting with a guy involved in a

if it's a low-end sex trafficking case, he doesn't just go there because it's a low-end sex trafficking case and have meetings.

Doesn't do it.

Give me the actual scenario on who visited and when,

where in the timeline was it?

This was Biden's CIA director

last administration.

It might even happen before he was CIA director,

had

multiple meetings with Epstein himself.

And then even before that, as you mentioned before, Alex Acosta, when he was with DOJ handling this case, said, I was told to back off.

I was told he quotes

belong to intelligence.

Correct.

We know the intelligence community was involved some way if the reporting is accurate.

Which is, you know, something we can allow for potentially some of it not being.

And, you know, you do have at times whistleblowers that aren't accurate on their claims.

Yeah.

So if not, I would love to hear those specific explanations.

Sure.

Which we haven't haven't happened yet.

So the lightest explanation I can think of is that, and this is similar to, because I, Glenn, you know, you had me go deep into the JFK files.

Some of the things we found once we got into them was that, well, there was a lot of conversations that sounded guilty in the JFK assassination stuff.

It made the CIA look not great in multiple different areas.

So the lightest possible explanation I can think of here is that the intelligence community at least thought about

allegedly, possibly leveraging this situation.

Like, oh my gosh, who was involved?

Maybe we can somehow leverage this in our favor somehow, whether that's through trade deals, whether that's through defense packs, whether that's whatever.

Think of something.

It was discussed.

Possibly it was never acted upon.

Who knows?

But they look guilty somehow.

And if that's the case, we won't find this out for another 50 years once they have like another JFK file release, something like that.

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