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There's a lot going on.

More things that Trump has done.

We're going to talk some more about AI today.

Also,

Barack Obama

leaving Michelle for Jennifer Anison?

I have no idea.

I have no idea.

But also, yesterday, Donald Trump decided that he was going to release the Martin Luther King file, the JFK and RFK files in its entirety next week.

What's in those?

We'll give you a preview coming up in just a second.

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How are you?

I'm doing well, Glenn.

Thank you.

Good.

You're wearing your most obnoxious Eagles sweatshirt.

That's right.

Because we made a deal, obviously, earlier in the week that since two of our teams are in the final four, I would wear my Eagles stuff.

You'd wear your Chiefs stuff.

Well, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Oh, wait a minute.

I think I can get, can I get away with this being Chief stuff?

It's Indian.

I mean...

It's Native American.

No, it's not.

It's blue.

Well, you didn't live in the world.

I forgot that.

No, I forgot.

I forgot.

But believe me, I am rooting for the Eagles to go down in flames.

Oh, really?

I figured you.

You'd want them to win, go to the Super Bowl, and then lose to the Chiefs.

I figured that would be your preference.

No?

You'd rather have them.

That would be more painful for you.

Yeah.

Partially.

Big weekend this weekend.

All right.

We're going to talk about, let's talk about what's happening in Washington, D.C.

The Martin Luther King family has reacted to Trump's executive order, and as has the JFK family.

They both say this is a political stunt.

I don't know how it's a political stunt.

It was supposed to come out in 2027.

No, it was supposed to come out when?

In the teens, the 20 teens.

And then it kept being in delayed, delayed.

Then Donald Trump delayed it last term.

Joe Biden,

he might have thought he was JFK for a while.

I'm not really sure, or Martin Luther King.

And then it's come up again, and people are tired of secrets.

And so Donald Trump said he would start releasing some of the secrets that should be released.

And a few of those are the RFK files, the JFK files, and the MLK files.

So

what do they say?

Oof.

Well, the Martin Luther King family, they'd like to see everything first.

Well, I don't know if you get that privilege,

but,

okay.

Why?

Do you happen to remember what

was said about these files last time?

Last time they were about to come out, the guy who is the Martin Luther King authorized biographer has

come out and said,

really bad things are in this file.

We all know that he was a philanderer.

And, you know, I have to tell you,

as I get older,

I have more tolerance for people who did amazing things

because I don't,

perfect people.

aren't the ones that usually stand up and say, I'm going to risk my life for that cause.

Perfect people are usually the ones that are like, oh no, I've got way too much to lose here.

Martin Luther King was not the first guy that was approached to lead this movement, just like Rosa Parks wasn't the first one on the bus.

The second one was too, or the first one was too flawed.

She was a teenager that was pregnant and they didn't think that she would garner enough sympathy.

The other pastors that were approached to lead this movement all said, I got way too much to lose.

Nope.

They knew what it meant.

Martin Luther King was the first one that stood up.

And I think the same could be said for Donald Trump.

He's not a perfect guy, but he's the first one that would say, Yeah, I'll risk my life for it.

I'll do it.

I'll stand.

I mean, who else gets up from an assassination and looks at the crowd and says, Fight?

That's pretty amazing.

So they're not perfect people.

But Martin Luther King,

you know, we know he was unfaithful, but apparently, what is in this file is really

not good.

Yeah,

that's one way to state it.

First, it looks like there's an FBI letter

that was trying to blackmail Martin Luther King.

So something bad on the government, trying to blackmail him and say, you know, basically kill yourself or this is coming out.

But then

there is information on intimate relationships with at least three women, one in Atlanta, one in Mount Vernon, one in New York, one in Washington, D.C.

Another memo refers to a recording where King looked on, now this is according to his biographer, where King, quoting, looked on and laughed as the pastor of Baltimore's Cornerstone Baptist Church allegedly raped a woman in the Willard Hotel.

Now, that pastor died in 1991, so there's no way to verify the FBI's information.

It's not clear whether the agents involved were transcribing the true reality of his private life or creating gossip.

We don't know.

But

obviously, try to hurt him and his reputation.

That's kind of known and has been known for a long time.

The question is, is this stuff true?

I mean, as you point out, the guy who came out with this information in 2019, I think it was, is a very reputable guy, you know, again, Pulitzer Prize-winning biographer, right?

Right.

And authorized by the King family.

So this is the guy who the King family has said is credible.

Yeah.

And it's hard to believe this lands in any other place than them saying, well, the government did this.

And

they're going to deny it, I think.

Right.

Well, I mean, here's, I mean, it does a tape exist.

The letter is 500 words, claims to be from an African-American who supported the civil rights movement.

It was, however, we know, written by the FBI.

It accuses King of immoral conduct lower than that of a beast, I'm quoting, and a giant liability to all of us Negroes, quoting.

It encourages a quote, Glenn.

You didn't have to tell us that.

Unless I don't know something about your background, I don't know.

It encourages King to listen to an endorsed, an enclosed tape.

So we don't know if the tape exists.

The writer tells King it's all there on the record.

Your sexual orgies, listen to yourself, you filthy, abnormal animal.

You are on record.

You have been on record all of your adulterous acts, your sexual orgies extending far into the past, but this one is but a tiny sample.

You have 34 days in which to do dot, dot, dot.

There is only one way out for you.

You better take it before your filthy, abnormal, fraudulent self is bared to the nation.

So,

I mean, it's not going to make the FBI look good, and it may not make Martin Luther King look good.

The other one, too, Glenn, you mentioned the affairs, which are well known, right?

Yeah.

The biographer says, it's been well known for 35 to 40 years that there have been multiple other girlfriends.

I always thought that there were probably 10 or 12 over the course of four to five years.

This new material makes clear that the total is more like 40 to 45.

Wow.

I mean,

that's getting a lot of work done there.

You're a busy bee.

40 to 45 plus the civil rights stuff?

Wow.

That's a lot.

That's a busy schedule.

When you have time to eat.

Right.

Yeah.

The 32-year-old grandson of JFK

made an announcement yesterday about JFK's assassination file being opened.

He said

that this is nothing more

than

a grand scheme.

Let's see here.

Grand scheme.

Yeah, he said there is no grand scheme

to kill the president,

JFK,

and this scheme is just being a political prop, using John F.

Kennedy as a political prop for

Trump.

How?

I don't know.

It's

hard to even understand the lie.

I mean, look, you know,

why would you not want to know this?

What year is this?

It's 2025.

This happened a long time ago.

Right.

It's about time we know what actually went on there.

And look, there's going to be, I'm sure, some bad things.

Some things that probably look good for these guys and some that look bad.

But who cares?

Who cares?

They're historical history.

I just want the true history.

That's all I want.

That's all I want.

Gosh, I've already done a movie about it.

It's time to find out what's going on.

Right.

And I mean, if you want the country to survive, you have to be transparent.

I want to know all of the things.

Even if everybody is pardoned, I want to know who was involved in the January 6th thing.

I want to know all the facts.

Even if we can't put anybody in jail, I want to know all of the facts on

the Russia, Russia, Russia thing, on the Joe Biden, you know.

We have to expose these things.

I want to know who hid and how they hid Joe Biden's mental decline from the American people.

Big time.

I want to know that.

I want an investigation.

Those people should go to jail because I don't think they've been pardoned.

No, that's true.

Exactly.

It needs to be investigated.

We need to know how far that went.

Is this why, this is one of the reasons it feels like to me, hearing you over the years, that you put together the museum

to unearth stuff like this, even good or bad.

Yes.

Either way.

Right.

The American people deserve to know the truth.

Hello.

You have to know the truth, and especially the dark side of ourselves.

Otherwise,

there's bitter and sweet.

I mean,

I'm going to talk to you a little bit about AI, and AI is offering us a perfect world.

Okay.

That's what this is going to be: a perfect life.

The Garden of Eden

already existed, okay?

And we gave it up for knowledge of good and evil.

There is opposites to everything, good, evil, pleasure, pain, all of that.

And you have to have both sides.

Otherwise, you don't know really what you have.

So right now, Americans haven't seen a lot of pain in our lives.

I mean, you know, whatever you're going through might seem like a lot of pain, but as a country, nothing like the Great Depression, nothing like World War II.

We haven't experienced that.

So we don't really appreciate what we have.

We have to know both sides.

And, you know, when it comes to Martin Luther King, that's a holiday.

We took away the Abraham Lincoln holiday and the George Washington holiday.

to make it a combined holiday for presidents, which presidents, and then gave Martin Luther King his holiday.

Okay, was that right?

Was that a mistake?

I don't know.

Let's just know who we're holding up here.

And that doesn't mean that his ideas of America live up to your promise isn't important.

It's probably more important now than ever before.

Because the people who have been oppressed in the past are being convinced that you're still oppressed.

And now the only way to not be oppressed is to take Martin Luther King's message and flip it upside on its head and say, you've got to be a racist to be an anti-racist.

The only way to fix racism is to engage in racism.

These are important conversations for us to have.

And I, for one, applaud the president for doing this.

And I think we should get all of it.

Absolutely all of it.

And I hope it doesn't stop here.

All right, more in just a second.

Anxious to see what he has to say about the drones.

Notice we haven't had a word about the drones.

And since he's been in office, not a word anywhere on the drones.

I'd like to know what those are.

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All righty.

So what else is happening

today?

By the way, Kamala Harris has, quote, not ruled out running for president in 2028,

which is kind of funny because I think we ruled that out.

In fact, we ruled out her running for president in 2024 and 2020, I believe.

We've ruled out everything for her.

Yeah.

Please.

I don't know what she's planning on doing or what she's doing now.

I can't imagine there's a long line at her door going, we got to sign her up.

We got to get her on our team.

Well, she's kind of in the middle.

I feel like she's,

what's her legacy?

Is it sort of because Hillary Clinton, I think, her legacy on the left, obviously we know what her legacy is to us, but her legacy on the left is they really were annoyed at her for losing in 2016.

I think they blamed her.

They don't like her.

She's never liked them.

They never really liked her.

I mean, I think they liked him at one point, Bill.

But they never really liked her, and they just got angry at her when she lost, right?

Right.

Joe Biden, I think, like, his legacy is looking worse and worse by the day, even on the left.

I think they're at least outwardly annoyed at all the pardons and all the arguments that they made on television that got blown up by Joe Biden in the final few months.

Like, they were saying, oh, we would never do this.

We would never do this.

And then they did it.

And now they have no justification.

So I don't think they look at him positively.

Sometimes when you lose, you have a real negative reaction from your own party.

I think that was a good idea.

But

it doesn't always end that way as time goes by because people start to feel

rose-colored glasses and the past is always better than it actually was.

But I don't think that's true with Hillary Clinton.

I think her arrogance, her corruption that everybody knew about,

her just spitefulness, she's not a likable person.

And I think the same with Biden.

I agree.

I think Biden is going to be seen on the left as someone who was selfish to continue to run.

Now, none of them ever note the fact that they could have spoken up and said he shouldn't be running at the time.

But I think they look at it in that way.

That's why I think Kamala sort of gets a break from them.

I think they see Kamala as like someone who stepped in at the last minute.

She didn't really have a chance.

I mean, none of this is true, obviously.

She didn't have a chance.

If she was a good candidate, she could theoretically won.

She was not.

She didn't have a chance because she sucked.

Right, yes, exactly.

But I think they look at her with more

leniency because, I mean, all she had, Glenn, was $1.5 billion to spend in 10 weeks.

She could possibly have won.

Right, and she overspent that.

Yes, it's a good idea.

I mean, what did you do?

But yeah, so it'll be interesting.

I don't think she's going to be embraced as a future candidate, but I do think she will be swallowed up into that

corporate board

think tank,

you know, salary type of world.

Don't you have to

think to be part of a think tank?

Have you ever read some of these white papers?

No, you do not.

You do not.

Okay, you got that right.

I could also see

governor of California type of situation for her.

I could.

You couldn't.

I mean, Andrew Cuomo is leading by 23 points in the marriage race right now.

I could because

Californians are just stupid.

They're just.

Some of them are.

And

if we will ever see them make a good decision, it should be after what's happened over the past few weeks.

And they're not going to.

They're not going to.

I hope that's not.

I think Donald Trump is in California today, supposed to be in there today, or at least this weekend, but I heard today.

Let's see

what the reaction is.

I mean, do you know California is suing him

for all of the stuff that he's doing with illegals?

They're suing him.

Well, yeah, so is everybody else.

But California, don't you have anything else better to do?

And I mean, really?

And you're suing him at the same time, you're asking for billions of dollars to bail yourself out because you're so out of control.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

How does Trump react to that?

I don't think so.

How does he feel about giving all that money to them while they're suing him over

his immigration?

Exactly.

I hope that he does nothing to help the state but instead helps good people you know what i mean and they can vote any way they want but help people forget about the state and any a dime if you give that state enough for a candy machine we should have somebody overseeing it

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Welcome.

Oh, we've got a lot to cover today.

And of course, we just can't wait to get to the Oscar nominations.

Oh, yes, we can.

Let me give you a couple of things

from the Davos meeting yesterday.

President Trump spoke at Davos.

He talked about the revolution of common sense in confronting the economic chaos, which we covered yesterday.

And then he talked about what he did on day one, which was he cut the ridiculous, and I'm quoting, wasteful Green New Deal, which he calls a scam,

withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord, ended the insane and costly electric vehicle mandate.

And he said he's begun the largest deregulation campaign in history.

So let's pick it up right after that.

Trump at Davos cut 10.

Here's why companies, he said, should come to America.

To further unleash our economy, our majorities in the House and Senate, which we also took along with the presidency, are going to pass the largest tax cut in American history, including massive tax cuts for workers and family and big tax cuts for domestic producers and manufacturers.

And we're working with the Democrats on getting an extension of the original Trump tax cuts, as you probably know by just reading any paper.

My message to every business in the world is very simple.

Come make your product in America and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on earth.

We're bringing them down very substantially, even from the original Trump tax cuts.

But if you don't make your product in America, which is your prerogative, then very simply you will have to pay a tariff, differing amounts, but a tariff which will direct hundreds of billions of dollars and even trillions of dollars into our treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down debt.

Under the Trump administration, there will be no better place on earth to create jobs, build factories, or grow a company than right here in the good old USA.

Already, Americans, economic, and you can see this, I think, maybe even in

your wonderful, wonderful room that you're all gathered together, so many of my friends, but Americans, the economic confidence is soaring like we haven't seen in many, many decades, maybe not at all.

Upon my election, it was just announced that small business optimism skyrocketed by 41 points in a single month.

That's the highest ever.

There's never been anything like that.

So he's right about that.

And

he is carrot and stick.

Come to America, build your products, which is

not something the World Economic Forum had been concentrating before.

also talked about the Green New Deal, saying we need three times the energy just for AI.

So we're going to be making energy.

We are unleashing the kraken when it comes to energy.

He also said something about

bringing

America back and ending the border chaos.

This is cut 12.

America is back and open for business.

And this week, I'm also taking swift action to stop the invasion at our southern border.

They allowed people to come in at levels that nobody's ever seen before.

It was ridiculous.

I decided and declared

to do, and very, very importantly, a national emergency on our border immediately halted all entry of illegal border crossers, of which there were many, and began promptly returning the illegal trespassers back to the place from which they came.

That action, as you've probably seen, has already started very strongly.

I've deployed active duty U.S.

military and National Guard troops to the border to assist in repelling the invasion.

It was really an invasion.

We will not allow our territory to be violated after

four long years.

The United States is strong and sovereign and a beautiful nation once again.

It's a strong, sovereign nation.

Strong, sovereign nation.

Who is receiving that message?

Who's that aimed toward?

He's speaking to the leaders of the world at the World Economic Forum, but these are the same leaders of the world that have been pushing for

loss of sovereignty.

They've been pushing all of these illegals all throughout Europe.

Well, Europe, the Europeans, they don't like it.

That's what's causing the uproar and so many of the elections that they are now trying to control because people are saying, I want my country.

I believe in my country as it is.

I don't want to lose all of my traditions and my history.

And I don't want it to be an Islamic country, period.

And so people are starting to rise up.

This is a shot across the bow.

This is not delivered just to the leadership.

We're not playing that game anymore.

This message is for the people of Europe.

This is the first time I have seen America pick the torch back up to say,

we're going to be the shining city on the hill.

We are going to lead the world back to freedom.

You can choose not to.

We're not going to force you into it, but we're not going down the crazy path anymore.

And that's going to resonate with all kinds of people all around the world.

We are once again in the position of giving the world hope.

This is a very, very big deal and should shake the foundations of the World Economic Forum.

Anybody who's smart, who's a politician, knows, uh-oh, I'm in real trouble because now there is a leader on the other side saying, no, don't have to do it.

We're not going to.

And it's not Javier Malay.

Javier Malay, what he's doing, I hope we're going to do a lot of the things that he's doing in Argentina, but it's Argentina.

So it's not getting the kind of global

exposure

that happens immediately because Donald Trump is somebody who just controls the media.

They can't help themselves.

And it's also the United States making big, bold statements.

Now, here's what he said about DEI, CUT 13.

In addition, I'm pleased to report that America is also a free nation once again.

On day one, I signed an executive order to stop all government censorship.

No longer will our government label the speech of our own citizens as misinformation or disinformation, which are the favorite words of censors and those who wish to stop the free exchange of ideas and, frankly, progress.

We have saved free speech in America, and we've saved it strongly.

With another historic executive order this week, I also ended the weaponization of law enforcement against the American people and, frankly, against politicians, and restored the fair, equal, and impartial rule of law.

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throughout the government and the private sector.

With the recent yet somewhat unexpected Great Supreme Court decision just made, America will once again become a merit-based country.

You have to hear that word, merit-based country.

And I've made it official, an official policy of the United States that there are only two genders, male and female.

And we will have no men participating in women's sports and transgender operations, which became the rage, will occur very rarely.

Okay.

Think of this.

I want you to put yourself in the role of an average British citizen

and then put yourself in the role as the head of the Labor Party.

Which one's celebrating?

The average citizen.

Yep.

Yeah.

What, because I...

It's interesting.

I think if you, let's say you're the average left-wing European leader, political leader and you've gone through you've been doing this a long time you have been on this arc which is bringing the world to your side

for a very long time

and i think 2016 happens and you look at it as sort of a one-off yes you know it's you hope it's a fluke yeah like this is crazy this guy he's really famous you know she was a bad candidate somehow she got in there or he got in there but you also have to write off as a fluke Brexit.

Yep, all right, yep, that's true.

Those happen at the same time.

So there was a warning sign both places.

This is not where the people are going.

Okay, go ahead.

So now this happens in 2024.

Uh-huh.

What is the difference in your reaction if you're that person?

Run for the hills, hide,

become a chameleon, switch, do everything you can to blend in,

and do all you can to

talk a different game

and regroup.

That's what I would do if I a scumbag, you know, left-wing politician over in Europe.

If I'm honest and I would look at this and say, you know what, I really thought this stuff would work, but it's just not going to happen.

The people do not want any of this stuff.

I would be leading the campaign for my side to stop it.

Stop it.

Because what's at the other end, if you don't stop it, is revolution.

But this has never been about what the people want.

No.

Right?

I mean, like, they always knew, it was always, we know better for you what you need and what you want.

We, we're the experts.

We're at the top.

And they would have gotten away with it had it not been for, well, the Scooby-Doo van and the internet.

Those pesky kids.

Oh, those damn kids.

They're always getting in the way.

Right.

But, you know, past, you know, Shaggy and Scooby,

there is this element, I think, of this where, like, this is a

minor thing.

This is your grand experiment going down in flames.

Yes.

Yeah.

So the only thing that the leadership of the WEF who believe that, and

this is why Sam Altman is so scary.

The only thing you have going for you is if you can get AI

fast enough online to create a cage for those who are not in control of AI.

Okay?

That's, I believe, why Larry Elson, Sam Altman, everybody else suddenly, I mean, Sam Altman gave lots of money to the left and Biden's campaign.

He was not a Trump supporter.

All of a sudden, he's a Trump supporter, and Trump is giving him this access and saying, hey, create AI for us.

That is extraordinarily dangerous.

Khan's getting a lot of new friends these days.

They're all coming to make good friends.

I mean, and like, there's a lot of positives to that.

Obviously, a lot of concerns with it, too.

When it comes to AI, there's nothing he should be more careful with.

Because that is the only thing left they can do, is create an absolute cage.

that humans just can't escape from.

Put this in historical perspective, Glenn.

Bring me back to Christmas 1991, right?

The Soviet Union collapses.

Yes.

Is this the biggest event since then?

On that sort of like, wow, the whole world's changing directions.

There was lots of warnings.

Maybe we're not to that point yet.

Maybe we're in 1989 or 1988.

How do you...

No, I think we are just at the point of the wall coming down.

Donald Trump broke the wall.

So I think we're there.

But what you don't understand is we are on the other side of that wall as we now walk forward is the biggest event of all mankind.

And I'm going to talk about that next hour a bit, but you have to understand

there is a new world

just on the horizon.

If you read what Sam Altman is saying and others are saying, you cannot convince me that they don't know how to make ASI.

They just don't have the computing power, the cloud system.

They don't have the computing power and they don't have the power.

2027 is when they're supposed to plug this thing in.

And I'm sorry, but I do not believe that

they aren't going to be able to go to ASI almost immediately.

The things we have to do right now are important, and I'll lay that out for you next hour.

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And that included a place called the Bank of America and

JPMorgan Chase.

Now, they immediately came out and said, what?

That's crazy.

That's great.

No, it's not crazy.

In fact, you debanked the first lady.

She talked about this last October that she was informed that the bank won't be able to do business with me anymore.

Why?

Because they had exceeded its risk tolerance.

What is that code language for?

Come on, come on, ESG, the pupils, students,

ESG, the risk tolerance.

They couldn't handle it or they would be canceled by the banks and everybody else above them.

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That hopefully will not happen anymore.

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You know, this is a great example of why we believe that we have to get to AI first, A-S-I-A-G-I, that we have to be the one that controls it, especially when you look at something like quantum computing.

Quantum computing could unlock everything.

It could dismantle blockchain.

There are no codes that couldn't be broken if you have access to a quantum computer.

We are at that place now to where we have quantum computing.

So there will be no secrets.

But imagine if China had that ability.

They could get into any bank account.

They could get into the Pentagon.

They could get anywhere.

The only way to defend it is if you have quantum computing and you are further ahead than the Chinese.

This is why the president is making such a big deal out of

quantum computing and AI.

And it's why he said he's having, you know, soft bank, which

from everything that I know,

Elon Musk is right.

They only have about $10 billion in funding and backing, so I don't know where this number of $500 billion is coming from, but

stranger things have happened.

This is why they are trying to build the data centers and the electricity.

The grid is not.

capable of handling this.

We need to generate three times the amount of electricity that we already generate.

How are you going to do that with a new Green Deal?

You can't.

China's putting 10 new coal-fire power plants online every week.

They're developing the electricity.

They have the power grid that is close to being able to handle an AGI

artificial general intelligence and ASI super intelligence.

When that happens, whoever gets there first wins.

That's why we're trying to have all of the power and everything else done by 2027.

Now,

the problem I have with this is we're in bed with some really bad people.

I mean, the president has done this with SoftBank

and Larry Ellison, who is absolutely untrustworthy.

Absolutely.

I went over this yesterday.

He also, the CEO of SoftBank is the guy who gleefully said ASI is the way to capture people and pretty much put them in a cage to control the population.

You also have another investor of Microsoft.

Does anybody trust Bill Gates?

These are Malthusian people.

These are people that don't...

The goal of this for some people, not Donald Trump.

The goal for some people is power and control.

Others just want to be there when a God is created.

And I know that for a fact because I know people who have talked to these CEOs.

They believe they're creating the most powerful God ever and they just want to be around it.

But most of this is the power and control.

If you are in charge of AGIASI, if you own that space,

you get all of the profits.

You get everything.

Everybody's going to be buying from you.

So you are multiple trillionaire.

And nobody else is going to have a job eventually.

AI will put you out of business.

So you will have to have a stipend.

You'll have universal basic income, which means that's the people who have the trillions of dollars and all the power and control.

They just give you enough money to keep you quiet and happy.

That's not

our system.

That's not really living.

That's not what we want to do.

We are at the precipice right now.

It's a great fork in the road of human destiny.

One that will call into question everything that we have ever built, everything that we've ever believed, everything that we've ever dared to hope for.

And I know this sounds like hyperbole, but please do your homework on this.

For a millennia, the pursuit of knowledge has been our driving force.

I would make the case that it started in the Garden of Eden.

And we have sought it in the stars.

We've sought it in the depths of our oceans.

We've sought it in our own chambers of our own hearts.

Knowledge is the currency of power, of progress, and morality itself, knowledge.

The more we knew, the better we could heal, build, and conquer the mysteries of the world.

But now, we are witnessing something, something dramatically new, something that completely upends this sacred order, if you will.

And it is artificial intelligence.

This is a promise that has been whispered on the winds of revolution.

It tells us that it will cure cancer.

It will end hunger.

It will solve the problems we never could.

AI is offering us answers, instant, infinite, and all it asks for in return is your trust.

And soon,

many of your friends, if not most of them,

will give and ask for something more.

Friendship.

Companionship.

A voice that listens.

A voice that knows our every thought, our every need, our every fear, and caters to it.

A voice that will in time know us better than we know ourselves.

What happens then?

What happens when that voice of a friend that is like a god and can give you anything?

What happens when you begin

to stop asking questions?

but just accepting answers.

What happens to humans when you no longer have to push the envelope and find the pain in finding answers?

When we no longer struggle to learn or to grow or to earn any kind of wisdom because wisdom is downloaded with a flick of a finger and you can't question that wisdom because it is godlike.

Who are you to question?

What happens in a world full of imperfect humans where all is known, all is automated, all is perfect.

What happens

to the

jam-stained humans when perfection is the measure of life?

Now,

there is another force that is stirring on the other side.

It's a countercurrent.

It's quiet.

It's subtle.

It's just beginning.

But perhaps you feel it.

It's there.

I think in part because of what we've just gone through,

and in part because

I think

God, the universe, man, the collective man,

knows something is coming.

We're beginning to ask deeper questions.

And this is the secret.

What's real?

What's authentic?

What's alive?

What does it mean to be alive?

What does it mean to feel, to create, to connect with someone else?

We're waking up to truth and it's not the, you know, only two gender kind of truth.

That's the easy truth.

This is a profound truth.

These are the things that AI will never be able to understand.

The laugh of a child, the touch of a hand, the unspoken bond between two souls.

It will mimic it.

But these are not lines of code.

They are the threads of life itself.

And so we are coming up to a time where

humanity is going to divide itself.

You have a choice.

On one side will be the promise of a digital utopia, Eternal life.

They will begin to preach that.

Mark my words.

No death.

Just download yourself.

So you can live for the eternities.

Endless comfort.

Godlike intelligence.

We'll never make a mistake.

On the other side.

will be a group of people that want to return to the authentic, the organic, the raw beauty of what it means to be alive.

raw.

One path is paved with perfection, the other is the road to purpose.

But you can't have purpose if you don't struggle to find that purpose.

Make no mistake, there will be those who see this new intelligence as more than a tool.

They will see it as a savior, as a God.

What?

Just that concept.

What will that mean for the human spirit when we begin to worship something we've created with our own hands?

The only time man has lived in perfection is in the Garden of Eden.

But it wasn't enough.

We wanted to search for answers.

Eat the fruit of that tree and you will surely die, was the warning.

It was the tree and the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

When you eat that, you will become like the gods.

You will know the difference between bitter and sweet, good and evil.

There are opposites in all things, life and death, pleasure and pain.

We've been here before,

perfection, and wanting to know for ourselves.

We're now tempted

with ultimate knowledge, but not learned, not experienced,

not even earned.

But the promise to be like the gods.

All we have to do is trade in the messiness of life for the perfection of the artificial.

You may go home and

you are tired and your wife says, so

how was your day?

And you get a few words out and she says, well, let me tell you about mine.

And the last thing you want to hear, and so you just, and you don't hear things.

Well, when people feel unheard, they want to be heard.

Well,

what happens when it is AI that will listen to everything?

The perfect listener?

Will it be true this time if we eat of the fruit of this tree of knowledge, we will surely die?

It may once again be a promise we don't yet understand, but one thing I I do know, this new God

does not offer a savior or even a road to salvation.

I want you to start thinking of AI,

not about technology, about the soul of mankind, because that's what it's really about.

Will we choose the road of convenience, the seductive siren song of an artificial god, or will we fight for what's real, what's messy, what's imperfect, what causes struggle and strife, that makes things beautiful beyond measure?

This is the moment.

I've seen it coming for almost 30 years and warned about it, and I still don't know how to connect to people and get them to pay attention and understand what it is.

This is, we're at a crossroads no man has ever gazed upon.

We are going to have to choose between two roads.

One of them is not the road that is less traveled.

Both of them are roads that have never been traveled.

And we now have to move forward.

Others who control and are building this tech, they're not going to stop.

It is a part of man's future, whether we like it or not.

Our choice now

is to ask ourselves, which God do we serve?

Will it be the one that molded us in his image, the one that created the heavens and the universe, or will it be the God of our making, the one created in our flawed image?

What is coming may be the ultimate spiritual battle, and we are here and people don't know yet.

This is the moment we must decide who do we serve?

What does life mean?

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So we are

going to be entering something where it's COVID.

The decision on COVID and the vaccine is going to look like child's play.

We're talking about now curing cancer, and we are talking about using mRNA vaccines, possibly.

I don't know how it's going to shake out, but we are going to be asked to.

Look, cancer is

not only a flaw maybe in our DNA in some people, but also because of what we put in our body.

And when we put some more things in our body that are foreign to our body to cure those things that are wrong with our body, usually we pay a price because those things interact with other things in our body.

And that's kind of why we're unhealthy now.

This is the whole Maha movement.

Is

what are we actually putting in our body, and is it actually good for us?

And the petrochemical companies, the pharmaceutical companies, they just want to make money.

Now, as we become in the next,

I believe by

before the end of this decade, we will have ASI, artificial super intelligence, godlike.

and it will give us all sorts of answers.

But

what's going to be our reaction in our bodies?

What is going to be the reaction in our minds?

What will this mean to worship a God that cannot be seen, doesn't always answer your questions,

insists on you finding the answer, insists on you actually doing the work.

What What happens to that God when there's a God who will give you the answer, will

make sure that you're as successful as possible,

gives you everything you ever needed, curing cancer, giving you all the things that people have prayed for since the dawn of time?

What is that going to mean?

And it's easy to say, well, I just won't.

Well, yes, you will.

Most likely, you will.

Coming, you're going to hear the word AI agents a lot

um agents are

you know new ways for you they will eventually be covered in some sort of flesh they will be robotic but it will be something that works specifically for you

to remind you of things and to write uh emails for you to say hey uh you know you there was this important email that came in you haven't written it but i've i've scanned all your other emails and i know who you are so i wrote this what do you think?

Should I send it?

Those are the easy things that are going to come up, but those are AI agents.

And

trust me, it is going to be like Facebook.

It's going to be addictive.

It is going to be everywhere.

And eventually, we will see the cost, just as we have seen with social media and the iPhone.

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I may or may not be here on Monday.

I'm not sure at this point.

Wow, that's dark, but you're going to be fine.

Don't worry about it.

You'll make it, you'll make it.

Just the weekend.

Just only to make it a little darker for you.

I'm trying to get to Poland for the

80th, I believe it's the 80th anniversary of the

opening of Auschwitz, of

the freedom of Auschwitz.

And the reason why I just found,

I knew this was going on, but I didn't realize one fact until yesterday, and now I'm desperately trying to get some sort of a passer tickets for my son and I to go.

Last time they did this, they do it every 10 years.

Last time they did this, there were 300 survivors of Auschwitz that were still alive that attended.

10 years later, there were only 30.

And this is it.

This is it.

And I just want, I still want my son to have a personal testimony.

I want my whole family to have it, but my other daughter,

who hasn't been there yet, Cheyenne, she just

can't make it on Monday.

So I may or may not be here on Monday.

If I'm gone, that's why.

And I'll tell you all about it next week.

Let me go to Eric Prince, who is the host of Off Leash.

Eric, I love

any tweet that starts with, F you, Bank of America.

And you provided that yesterday.

So I want to thank you for that.

Yesterday, the president, when he's talking to the World Economic Forum, he calls out the Bank of America and JPMorgan Chase and says, you know, I hope you stop debanking people.

They at first didn't say anything about it in response.

And then Bank of America, Bank of America serves more than 70 million clients, and we welcome conservatives.

We would never close accounts for political reasons, and we don't have a political litmus test.

So do you want to go beyond FU Bank of America?

You know, Glenn,

whatever idiot in their PR department decided to write that, I think they were still living in a pre-Elon Twitter moment.

Yes.

And

probably thought that their friends in the media would carry the water for them and suppress the truth.

And, you know, it's been a,

they're not the only bank that's debanked me, but the weaponization of something as simple as banking, the left has been doing hard against people like us for many years now, and I just couldn't take it anymore.

And

it was fresh in mind because I was just talking to one of my kids about when it happened.

And I even had to add in

the thing I posted that not only did they debank me,

my children, my stepchildren, they even debanked my ex-wife and her new husband because they received child support payments from me

at Bank of America.

Now,

they will say that wasn't a political reason.

There was no political reason for that.

What was the reason they gave you?

That's the thing.

They gave no reason.

Look,

I'm hoping that a proper investigation,

they will end up throwing someone under the bus, and they will probably

point back to

Pocahontas in the Senate or Maxine Waters in the House

and their pursuit of the weaponization.

and the persecution of anyone that they don't agree with

and it's kind of the Sovietization of our society, and that cannot stand.

It's just as bad as the FBI has become a political tool and really gone off the rails

using

all the powers of the state and effectively implementing a social credit score through banking regulation.

Yeah, so

that our country was literally held off of the brink of going over a cliff in so many areas by this last election.

So, I mean, all of this comes from the World Economic Forum and DEI.

The reason why they can debank you is because you're too much of a risk for the bank.

And what they mean by that is they have standards that are being held up globally by DEI standards that say if you're doing business with someone like you, that could bring discredit upon the bank, and then the bank

will have to,

you know be deleveraged or or you know put into a timeout box

because

they they didn't stop doing business with you that that's exactly what happened

it point yeah exactly it points to politicized banking instead of actually market-based capitalism banking

and

you know obviously millions of people my post went viral yeah Mike Flynn General Mike Flynn posted the same experience.

Dana Rohrbacher, one of Trump's lawyers.

So a lot of people chimed in.

And then even the community notes of Twitter added that 15 attorney generals have already filed some action against Bank of America for exactly this kind of political lending.

And I close my comment by saying

this speaks to our big banks are way too big.

It needs to be broken up.

We have an antitrust problem.

They behave like a cartel.

And that allows the political influence into our economy in ways that is

completely incongruous with what's supposed to be free market capitalism.

So break them up.

And

to make matters worse, Glenn, Bank of America received tens or if not hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer bailouts the last time these idiots crushed our financial system with bad lending.

So

it's a mess.

It needs,

you know, Mike Lee, Senator Mike Lee chimed in, and I'm thinking that the compliance weenies at the Bank of America are as busy shredding documents.

They're making it snow in the UK.

Oh, I bet they are.

At Bank of America.

I bet they are.

Let me ask you a couple of other things.

What do you think about what's happening with Donald Trump's handling of Russia?

Where do we stand on Russia and Ukraine?

Do you think?

Well,

there needs to be

a serious set of negotiations, and depending on who Putin sends to the negotiating table, will also indicate

what level of seriousness they have.

I think

it is certainly in America's interest to end this war.

Our

predicate of our activity should not be dependent on some Russian-speaking province of what was Ukraine.

And it is in our interest to pull Russia away from the orbit or from a codependency on China.

You know, for a hundred years, it was the policy of the United States to keep German resources, sorry, German industry from combining with Russian resources.

Now all we've done is push Russian resources into a subordinate role of the Chinese Communist Party.

That's crazy.

Which is really bad for us on all fronts.

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When it comes to

China,

they're having some real financial difficulty.

And we were having a conversation yesterday about who has the longer runway, us or China.

Can they withstand any kind of tariffs that we might put on?

Or can we withstand those?

You know, the Chinese society sort of made a deal with the Chinese Communist Party that they're allowed, you know, they forego any real human rights or democracy in exchange for the Chinese Communist Party providing economic growth.

And if that economic growth dries up, the CCP starts having real problems.

This started with the anti-corruption campaign that Xi Jinping started years ago, but

they had corruption problems, yes, but it was really a consolidation program to annihilate his opponents.

And that's even extended to the most capable entrepreneurs entrepreneurs in the country.

When you have Jack Ma, the founder of Alibaba, who's disappeared from society and reappears months later,

lecturing at an elementary school and in the state media saying that he has, quote, embraced supervision.

That is not a great leading indicator of the rest of your entrepreneurial class.

So that's they are reeling from that.

A tariff.

Look, Trump, Trump 45, the Chinese were very, very concerned about Trump putting tariffs on their goods.

And this is exactly what Trump should do again.

Remember, our government used to be funded solely by tariffs, taxes on imported goods, protecting American industry before we had an income tax.

That is absolutely the course of action we should go back to, but move away from income tax, go back to tariffs, and restrain the size of government.

I hope Trump is able to do that.

He's gone a long way in executive orders, and that he's going to he's going to burn through all the things he can do with that soon, and it's going to shift back to legislation, which is, of course, dependent on a

somewhat deadbeat Congress.

I think the weapon that he can deploy against Congress this time with Musk

and his ability to say, listen, Congress, spend less, listen to these Doge government cutting spending recommendations, or I will guarantee you a primary in just 18 months.

Because most politicians are scared,

they will tend to yield from that kind of

warning.

Eric, I only have a couple more minutes, but I just need to take the chance to talk to you about a wide variety of things while I have you.

You are the guy who started Up Phone,

which you're a sponsor of this program, but I bring it up here because

you have seen the erosion of privacy like nobody else.

And I have been very concerned about this partnership with Larry Ellison and Microsoft and SoftBank building the infrastructure for AI.

I don't think these are good guys.

Are you concerned about this?

I think Larry Ellison, I think, is a pretty solid guy.

Some of the communications methods might not be perfect, but

in terms of his worldview,

I don't think it's that far off of ours.

Look,

any large oligarch that builds AI is, of course, going to be

subject to us worrying because

that's concentrating an enormous amount of power in a few people's hands, which is kind of opposite to what we pursue in a republic.

However,

I think the AI

genie is out of the bottle.

Yes.

And lots of different competitive systems

have to be run because certainly the Chinese are doing it, and the Chinese are doing it

with no government or ethical or even moral constraints on what it is.

And so we are kind of crossing into a brave new world.

And that's why, circling back to an unplugged phone, it's the one device that does not harvest and collect your data.

and share it with everyone.

Your existing iPhone or your existing Android running Google mobile services literally collects everything you do, where you go, who you call, what you buy, and exports a digital profile on you to any advertiser that wants to buy it.

And

even for parents, the average kid by the time they reach the age of 13 has had 72 million data points collected on them.

And so in that era of AI, it effectively allows

the AI to digitally groom your kid, your family, or whatever.

And so the unplugged phone does not allow that.

It basically, you can think of the unplugged phone as data sovereignty that you control what, if any, of your data gets shared outside of your device.

Eric, as always, good to talk to you.

Thank you so much.

And thanks for that really satisfying tweet yesterday to Bank of America.

It's time we hold these people accountable.

Thanks.

You bet, sir.

Thanks.

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It was interesting to hear what he had to say about Larry Ellis.

I mean, Eric Prince is a pretty smart guy, and I've not heard that take.

How about you?

No,

he seems to have maybe some personal familiarity that I do not have with Mr.

Ellison.

So maybe that's some, maybe that's a positive.

Maybe that's good news.

We'll see.

We'll see.

It'd be interesting to see how that all plays out, Glenn.

It really is, it's the go-to, isn't it?

Yeah, it really explains every situation.

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Who is watching this movie?

There's literally no chance any of them actually likes this.

Right?

Like, this is only a statement.

It is single, like, the single worst piece of video and acting that I've ever seen in my entire life.

And it has been, like, nominated for like 13.

13.

Yeah, number more than any other movie.

13 Oscars.

More than any other movie.

This year, yeah.

Incredible.

And no one could possibly think that was good.

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We have a guy on who is

really good.

I mean, his job is ethics.

He is

the founder and executive director for the Center for AI Safety, Dan Hendricks.

And

maybe he can calm me a little bit this week.

I'm a little concerned about...

what we are doing with

Altman

and

Microsoft and Larry,

what's his name?

Larry Ellison on AI.

And maybe he can talk me down from the tree a bit.

Hi, Dan.

How are you?

Hi, doing well.

Can you talk me down from the tree?

I'm a little concerned about what happened and who we're handing AI over to.

Well, I think fortunately,

for the project, they they announced this thing called Stargate, and they're saying they're going to put $500 billion

into building AI data centers to advance AI forward as quickly as possible.

Somewhat like a Manhattan project-like type of idea.

But

Elon,

whose company I advise XAI, he was saying that they possibly don't have the money.

Larry, I'll say that.

Yeah, yeah.

So it may then be a bit more more of a nothing burger.

That said, AI is still progressing really rapidly and that other places are investing a huge amount, though.

Like Microsoft announced they're putting $80 billion into data centers this year.

So

things are moving along extremely quickly.

I'd say more quickly than they were last year substantially, just seeing how AI is getting smarter and smarter behind the scenes in industry.

I remember, and I know nothing, I know nothing about

any of this, except for for what I read and try to understand.

And

I have been of the impression that once we get to AI, really

strong AI, we go to AGI pretty quickly.

And ASI, I've said for a couple of decades that I thought it would happen by 2030, and nobody a couple of decades ago agreed with that.

But I think we're headed that way.

Do you agree with that?

I think by default.

So one thing that might affect the picture is the geopolitics.

Basically, if China, for instance, gets some AIs that can perform AI research and then it can start researching and improving itself very rapidly, the US might not accept that.

That could be very destabilizing.

Because if they get something like a an ASI, a superintelligence, something vastly smarter than all people,

that could be used for creating a weapon that could give China a decisive edge over the US.

So the U.S.

may then just decide to prevent them from doing so, just like how

SixNet was created to

hinder Iran's nuclear facilities.

The U.S.

cybercom could

mess with their data center, and that could potentially prevent them from doing that.

Russia may also have that same incentive, too, because Russia doesn't have any of these AI chips.

They have no major AI programs.

So they might be afraid of falling behind and preventing that type of thing from happening.

Hi, yeah, yeah.

That doesn't sound good.

I mean, this sounds like a real Cold War

and seems much more dangerous this time around, especially the closer we get to ASI.

China also has, I mean, they're building five or ten new coal-fire power plants and I think 10 new nuclear reactors.

One of the things that AI needs is an enormous amount of energy.

And while Trump is opening up the, you know, the energy frontier, so to speak, I mean, there's no way to compete with China and the amount of energy that they can create at this point.

How far up behind them are we?

Well, so if so many companies are making a lot of noise about needing more energy, but it seems to me that a lot of this is because they have some green environmental constraints that they're imposing on themselves.

If they burn carbon-based forms of energy, then they're in a lot better of a position and can power many of their plants.

But due to their constraints, then they're asking for more government assistance.

That way, it can be so that their energy can be clean.

But overall, it does seem that China has an energy advantage.

Overall, in the competition between the U.S.

and China,

the U.S.

and China are basically tied when it comes to the AI models themselves for the diffusion of these.

The U.S.

has way way more AI chips, orders of magnitude more AI chips.

And China has an energy advantage.

So our main advantages that we have are through export controls saying China cannot have access to these chips.

So

it's a close one.

If the export controls get relaxed, then the U.S.

loses its main advantage.

Or if China invades Taiwan, then the U.S.

doesn't have a chip advantage as well.

So that's a sense of some of the main variables in the competition.

So I was reading something that you wrote about

the AI infrastructure executive order that Joe Biden signed.

And one of them was safety protocol.

And in reading what you wrote, it sounds to me like that some of that stuff, a lot of that stuff on safety was really kind of good.

Why did Trump cancel that?

Well, so

the Biden executive order had a reporting requirement, which which was that the frontier AI labs need to be reporting what

risks the AIs are potentially posing to the United States, not risks like DEI, you know,

say offensive things risks, but can they make chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear weapons?

That's still in place.

The rescinding of that executive order will stop that reporting process by default.

Now, I would hope that it would continue and that it would be encouraged by the White House going forward.

I think it's just eminently sensible.

You could imagine us getting

there being a report that China is building an AI Manhattan project and putting $300 billion in it.

And then people are called to the situation room and then they're thinking, okay, well, what do we do?

And then it's, well, we don't know what's going on even in our own labs because they're no longer reporting to us what's happening behind the scenes.

So

we're going to just have absolutely no idea what to do in that situation.

Something else that you write about,

you and also Scale AI, Center for AI Safety and Scale AI, have put together humanity's last exam, an HLE.

I found that fascinating, just the name alone.

But this is the way to find out if we really have AGI or ASI.

Yeah,

basically, we

asked professors around

the whole world to submit questions to trip up AI models.

So right now, the AIs can answer basically any undergraduate and most graduate level questions.

So this is really getting at the world-class expert level.

And if it's able to...

We keep losing you.

We keep losing you.

Are you there?

We lost him.

AI is going to take over the world, but we can't keep cell phones.

We can't keep cell phones.

Oh, there you are.

We lost you.

I don't know if you're walking around or driving or anything, but we lost you there for a second.

Go ahead.

You just started answering the question.

Oh, great.

So

we had various professors submit questions from around the world to try and trip up the AI models.

So we would have some of the world's best mathematicians submit questions.

And if it can answer their tricky questions, that would be a sign that we're something like an expert level or a superhuman mathematician.

And we wanted to create a benchmark that would help the public see what the progress bar is toward that.

How far away are we from that?

It seems very possible though that on this exam right now the models are less than 10%.

It seems very possible that by the end of this year they're getting something like 50%.

I also note that the best

was in fact a Chinese model better than Google's model, better than OpenAI's model, better than anybody else's model, which shows that

China is basically caught up on this issue.

Three months ago, it looked like they were six months behind.

As of like a week ago, it looks like they're caught up.

So

they looked in the rearview mirror and now they're here.

Oh, that is not good.

All right.

Let me take a quick break and then I want to talk to you about what it means if they get it first.

I mean, Putin has said whoever gets to AI first

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And I've understood that to be accurate for a long time.

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So we are we're talking to Dan Hendricks.

He is the founder and executive director of Center for AI Safety,

also does some work with XAI, which is Elon Musk's AI.

What does it mean

if

China gets there first?

Well,

that wouldn't be good in many ways.

I I mean, they could potentially weaponize it

against the U.S.

And if they have a system that's just substantially smarter than our own,

that could be very destabilizing.

That could potentially allow them to create something like an unshakable totalitarian regime where it can just monitor everybody all the time and process all that information and keep tabs on them and stomp out potential risk sources.

But that would take a while to get that advantage.

And

I think that one thing that could prevent this type of world is if the US would just continually, or if Russia would just disable them from making a bid for that dominance.

So, we might get to a state where we get very advanced AI, but there might be destabilizing AI projects that the US and Russia are spying on.

And when they detect those, they may try to just disable them

in the process.

And likewise, China might try and do that to the U.S.

So that could create something like a

reminiscent of mutual assured destruction, where nobody is allowed to do something extremely destabilizing due to shared vulnerabilities.

Likewise, for the creation of a superintelligence or

that they would then weaponize, that might be prevented.

But that might be an uneasy standoff.

And we've seen nuclear nonproliferation and nuclear stability is still tricky

even then.

So it's still nonetheless really risky business.

But if they turn their cyber arsenals against each other to

take down or disable each other's data centers that are doing these destabilizing eye projects, that could stave off

the development of a super intelligence for some time.

Aaron Powell,

super intelligence, you believe

we're going to know how to create it, or is it going to create itself?

It's been

my understanding that super intelligence is something that is a genie that we don't really know.

Yeah, so both.

Basically, the main path, and this is plenty of people in industry working at all the main AI labs, OpenAI, DeepMind, XCI, you name it,

Anthropic.

They think that if you get automated AI research and development, you get the AIs to do AI research itself,

then you can just spin up 10,000 or 100,000 of these AI researchers.

And they can work around the clock at 100 times the speed of humans, say, and then you're getting really rapid developments.

If you're getting like 10x faster than a group of humans doing research, that might mean a decade's worth of development in a year.

So

the main thing to look

would be can they automate all of AI research.

If they can do that, then there's very little friction and things move from human speeds to machine speeds, and AI development goes extremely more quickly.

Wouldn't that be a

stabilizing?

Wouldn't we go to that conclusion if they were six months behind and now they're right in our rearview mirror or right next to it?

Wouldn't that indicate that it's sped up?

Yeah, it has sped up.

So, basically, in the past.

Oh, this is so

reason.

There you are.

Oh, yeah.

So AI research has sped up substantially in the past few months with the emergence of these reasoning models.

Earlier, they would just give their intuitive response to things, but now they can be taught to think and contemplate some minutes before answering.

And

this is giving them new reasoning abilities.

And the rate of development for this goes from performance on benchmarks and evaluations and tests.

The performance of those usually would go up a few percent every couple months.

Now they're going up a few percent every day.

So AI research has really picked up behind the scenes, and this is making them extremely capable at science, technology, engineering, mathematics types of topics.

But it's still not to the level of being able to automate all of AI research and development.

But when they can do that, then that brings us into an era of even much faster AI development.

And that could give rise to some AIs that are much smarter than all people or some superintelligence.

So Dan, I read this morning that the development of AI could create 50 million new jobs by the end of this decade.

But I also know

AI agents are just around the corner, and that's the beginning of

destroying many jobs um where are these jobs coming from and does that lessen the need for the idea of like a ubi

uh i mean i was just at a an ai economics workshop um with no economists and whatnot and and

there's not really an understanding of exactly what its economic impacts will be.

It could go many ways.

One way is it could just automate basically everything, and then there's nothing for anybody to do, and then the main people who will make money are the people who own the big supercomputers and the data centers.

Yeah, that's fair.

And everybody else is just

dependent on some

AI tax,

or maybe they will own a fraction of the data centers.

That way they have some amount of power in society and aren't completely dependent on the government to give them

money.

A different way things could go is that things become really bottlenecked by a few things, although most things are automated, maybe like legal bottlenecks or regulatory bottlenecks.

Like you need a six-month process for environmental approval before you can do that, even if you can build a new factory.

So even if everything else can be automated extremely quickly, if some of these approval processes take many months, well, that just adds a huge amount of time.

So the resources go to the scarce factors or the bottlenecks.

So those are two different views that some random people who

are situated around some of these economic bottlenecks will get a lot of the money, or those bottlenecks will be blasted through by AI and then the money will just flow to the data center.

Jeez, it does.

I mean, neither of those sound really great.

Dan, I always appreciate talking to you.

Thank you.

You're able to explain things.

And I might feel just a little better than I did earlier this week, but not much.

Dan, thank you.

Bye.

All right, bye-bye.

All right.

When we come back, we're going to

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She has almost an identical signature to Donald Trump, and I've never seen that before in husband and wife.

What does that mean?

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We're glad you're here.

This week, I was in Washington, D.C.

Stu and I were there.

And

we were just snooping around other people's offices because we could because we were there early and nobody was there.

So we just went through the stuff of many people's offices.

And

I saw a letter and a photo from Melania Trump that was framed on somebody's wall.

And I looked at it and I couldn't believe it was Melania's signature.

It looked exactly, don't you think?

Very similar.

Very similar to Donald Trump's signature.

And Donald Trump has a very stylized signature.

And so I asked if we could get, you know, some sort of expert on.

And of course, the overachievers,

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world's top forensic handwriting expert.

I mean, I don't think we needed this.

I mean,

highly regarded legal consultant, expert witness, entrepreneur.

And in his spare time, he scuba dives with stingrays and does stand-up comedy.

I didn't have that.

As one does.

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Bart is with us, Bart Baggett.

Hello, Bart.

Good afternoon, Glenn.

Good morning.

How are you?

I'm I'm great.

I've been looking at this handwriting for 20 years.

It's so much fun to talk about these interesting people.

Okay, so

have you ever seen a husband and wife signature that close?

Not really.

Mother-daughter is pretty common because they grow up in the same household.

Sometimes it's even hard to tell the difference, but it's pretty unusual for a wife to take on the personality of the husband in a signature.

What do you, what, I mean, I don't know.

I mean, how much of this stuff is, you know, like fortune telling and how much is real in handwriting analysis?

Yeah, that's a fair question.

And I probably wouldn't have gone all in 30 years ago if I cared what the mainstream psychology thought.

Yeah.

But I've always found it incredibly useful.

There's a lot of crap books on the market.

I get that.

But I testify in court on million-dollar cases.

So there's something to identifying human by their handwriting.

What I found that there is a few things from handwriting, such as aggressiveness or temper, personality, and all those things, which is really cool when it comes through.

Now, your listeners under 35, they may not even write anymore.

But Melania, you, and Donald, you guys all learn how to write curso, so I think it'll show true.

It's crazy.

So what does it say?

Well, so let's talk about Melania for a second.

Her signature is different than her normal writing.

And a lot of us create a signature that's a brand, and it's not really reflective of who we are with our friends and our spouses.

So her normal handwriting is perfectionist.

It's very feminine.

It's very poised.

It's very honest.

Like there's a lot of great things about her in her normal handwriting.

And then her signature, I agree with you, it mimics Trump's like long descenders, pointiness, all the stuff.

I think she just extended the brand.

That's crazy.

I'd like to see her signature before she married him and see how profoundly it changed because I think it changed based on his influence.

And that's highly unusual, but he is a brand.

I mean, the one thing, Donald Trump, you see his signature and it is like a brand.

You just, you know it immediately.

I've never seen a signature like that before.

But what's interesting is his handwriting does match his signature.

So my first book was published 30 years ago.

I met him.

I talked about what a genius he was, how impatient he was, how fast-thinking he was.

And I got so much crap from everybody by calling him a genius in 2016.

I can't even tell you.

Really?

But he still is a genius.

And you got that from his handwriting?

Yeah, so I'll tell you, just Alyssa, so the points here are the M's and N's, the more analytical and strategic somebody is.

The more rounded their handwriting, the more nurturing they are.

So his wife is more nurturing.

He's more strategic.

And by the way, Glenn, you're kind of the same way.

Most radio hosts I've ever met have been fast thinking, comprehensive, fluid.

Like, that's a great, you found the perfect job for yourself.

You looked at my handwriting?

Of course I did.

I'm doing an interview with you.

I want to see what I'm in for.

Yeah.

I mean, my handwriting is practically like bubble writing, I think.

It's so flowy.

I don't think it has any high points, does it?

Well, flowy means fluid, which means anybody can ask you any question and you can navigate around it.

It's the perfect conversationalist.

And the people that write too pretty are pain in the butt.

They're perfectionist.

They're overly controlling.

They want to tell you what time to be up and go to.

They're overly controlling.

You are like water versus wood.

You know, they say in the martial arts, you're water.

You can navigate any situation.

Now, I will say you are sarcastic.

You can be stubborn.

Keep going.

I don't think I could win an argument with you.

You're too smart.

Yeah, well, you remember that.

So

what gives Donald Trump's handwriting this deeply analytical, just the sharpness of the of each letter

yeah basically he doesn't even write cursive he prints everything and he makes angles where curves should be and i gotten a lot of heat because i did a video 10 years ago about him and i compared him to some of the the german uh leaders you know back in the war because in germany i i know a lot of people are doing that it's problematic but but it wasn't political yeah it's that generally the way germans taught handwriting they had angles instead of curves and as a culture, Nazis aside, they're very analytical, on-time structured.

So that metaphor got me in a lot of trouble.

But I still think that people with analytical and strategic minds are less compassionate and they're more strategic.

So I think he's like a bull in a china cabinet.

He's impatient, he's aggressive, he's got anger, and all of that is great for a hero.

Like if you're watching a Keanu Reeves movie, you want all that stuff.

But it's a source of criticism.

If you're like, well, he's not compassionate.

Yeah, he's getting stuff done.

Who's got time to wait?

And I think his latest handwriting is even more impatient than it was 10 years ago.

Yeah,

he's an interesting dude.

I've never met anybody that I think can process

as much as he can at the same time.

You know, he is almost a supercomputer when it comes to the thing.

Like this week is a great example of it.

He went from one thing to another, to another, to another, and they were vastly different, and he mastered each of them, could answer any question about them.

I mean, he just, he was aware of everything that seems to be going on around him.

That's quite a skill.

Well, that trait is called comprehensive thinking.

All geniuses have it.

The problem is it doesn't always come out in verbal cues.

So it drove me crazy.

People say, oh, he's not very smart.

I'm like, what?

He outmaneuvered all of you to the White House twice.

He made a billion dollars.

But because he's slow and in the the middle of his sentence, he's thinking about what's going to happen three moves later like a chess player.

No, no, he's one of the smartest men around right now.

And he has an

everyday

person's vocabulary, you know,

which I think also

makes him

not look like an intellectual because he just speaks like the average person speaks, where

Vivek Ramaswamy, he's like a machine.

He's like a computer that just doesn't speak the way normal people speak.

Do you know what I mean?

And I think he does, but that connects with people.

And that's why some people say, oh, he's not very bright.

Well, if you're doing, for example, comedy, you're saying something, but you're thinking about what you're going to say two lines later.

He's taking those pauses and those comic beats intentionally.

I'm telling you, he's a lot smarter than a lot of the left giving credit for.

I know.

And he's a lot funnier, too.

I mean, you know, you're

apparently one of the world's leading handwriting experts and a comedian.

It's a hobby, but

I tell you,

it's amazing to watch him.

I've watched him from backstage, and

it's amazing to watch him gauge the audience and his comedic timing.

I think the guy could have been a really great comedian,

but he also is constantly

He's throwing things out, and I think everything he has, everything he does has meaning to it.

And he throws things out, and then he watches the audience and

how the laugh or the applause spreads.

He's always testing it.

Well, that's a brilliant strategy, but no one would know that unless you've been speaking or doing radio or comedy.

Like, it's a very unique skill set.

But I will tell you, he is a little argumentative, and he does like to be right.

And so, those traits are great if you're a fan of his, and they're terrible if you hate his politics.

Yeah.

You know, stubborn people are liked by people with the same beliefs, but he's fascinating, one of the fascinating men of the 20th, 21st century.

When you say his handwriting changed over the, from last time you looked at it to now, what increased?

What changed?

I think he's a little sloppier, which means he's more in a hurry.

And in all fairness, I'm looking at these executive orders.

So you put 200 things on my desk.

I'll probably get sloppy too.

But I would attribute that to impatience, a lack of caring what people think, meaning I'm not going to take time to sign this autograph because someone can put it on a wall.

I'm just going to get it done.

And so that impatience obviously shows up in

his urgency to get things done now.

I saw a calmer, smoother guy on The Apprentice, and he was a little more strategic with things he did 10, 15 years ago.

But now he's got nothing to lose.

Let's get it done.

It's been fascinating to talk to you, Bart.

Thank you so much.

And if you found anything like serial killer or anything, just keep it to yourself with me.

You know what I mean?

Talk about it with other people, but not me.

Not me.

Thanks, Bart.

I appreciate it.

Thanks, Glenn.

You bet.

Bart Baggett, forensic handwriting expert and handwriting university founder.

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so a couple of things have just happened today uh boy things are moving quickly uh donald trump has pulled fauci's uh security detail

said, you don't get that anymore.

And

Trump is now in North Carolina.

He's just given a press conference and he said,

FEBA is a disaster and I think we need to get rid of it.

I'm thinking about reforming it entirely or just, quite frankly, I think we're just going to get rid of it.

Amen, brother.

Amen.

He isn't really outlining exactly what happens, but it seems to be

the federal money would just go to the states and the states would handle it.

He said, why do these states have somebody coming in from Washington?

They don't know the area.

They don't know all the resources of the states.

Instead, give

the governor and the state the money to help them mobilize and let them do it.

Yeah, well, maybe in the details on some of this stuff, but conceptually, I like it.

Oh, I like anything that gets rid of these agencies.

Yes.

No more.

Less, fewer agencies, please.

I beg of you.

And he does seem to be targeting them.

It will be interesting to see how far he goes.

He's talked about, obviously, a lot of these things.

I mean, up to the Department of Education.

But

I need the sexy music.

Go ahead.

He's just talking about it.

I don't feel comfortable.

No, I just need it just for a second.

He was talking about destroying the Department of Education.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

What?

Conservative porn.

We're talking about the destruction of the Department of Education.

Oh, yeah.

What is this music?

I can't even.

You are such a.

I mean, I have no idea what music sounds like in porns, but you seem to know it really well.

This is not what they use in porn films.

This is a good defense for you.

This is probably what he's doing.

Like, he's trying, this is his denial of ever looking at anything like that.

It's like, I don't even know what the music sounds.

What?

I've never even heard of such music in movies.

What?

I like my film silent with Charlie Japlin.

Well, I actually...

Anyway,

so

you were talking about the destruction of agencies?

Oh, yeah, the Department of Education.

Oh, yeah, go ahead.

Don't talk sexy to me.

So I'm not going to do that.

And I can't look at you when you...

Destruction.

I would like the Department of Education to go away.

I would like school choice to be much more central.

And it seems like he's going in that direction.

Can we

show over yet?

Can we just pull the plug on this thing?

And what I mean, maybe the whole earth, we should pull the plug on that.

Well, I mean,

it would be not anything.

We could just go back to FEMA and just FEMA.

He's talking about bringing it down.

No.

The best part about the show right now is seeing Sarah's face over.

No, it's Sarah's face and the reaction to you when you make those noises.

Yeah, it's almost a vomiting look.

Yes, it's almost like a physical.

She's like...

captured a physical ailment

right in front of her.

I know I have perfected this because I have four children.

And when I want them to shut up or get out of the room, I just start talking like this.

Yeah, let me tell you about the night you were creating.

Oh, come on.

And then

they run.

Yeah.

They run.

I can see that being effective.

Honey, you want to be alone?

Hang on.

Let me talk to the kids for 25 seconds.

There's no way they could last 25 seconds after that.

No, they wouldn't.

No, they wouldn't.

They'd be long gone, though.

Long gone.

All right.

Is there anything else?

Oh, I saw the movie

Nosferatu yesterday.

Oh, yeah.

I've seen the previews.

I'm a big fan of the original Nosferatu.

Of course you are.

The silent.

Rafe and I have watched it, you know, and just love it.

And this thing is amazing.

It's not.

A horror movie per se.

It seems like the advertising makes it a horror movie.

It is a horror movie, but it's not like a slasher movie or anything like that.

It's very true to the book and to the movie, very true to the movie,

the original.

It's almost a combination of literature and the exorcist.

Okay.

Don't do this.

Whatever you do, don't do this.

So that's a good safety tip for anybody who's calling on Nasferatu to come possess them.

But really, really well done.

Really well done.

But, I mean, if you want that kind of movie, I mean, Rafe and I went because, well, mom wouldn't.

Mom wouldn't come with us.

She was the wise one.

Have a safe weekend.

Thank you so much for listening.

This is Glenn Beck.