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He said some pretty incredible things, and this time I think he means it.

And a warning about AI: will we pick perfection or authentic human life?

And just because it's Friday and we're screwing off a bit, we brought Bart Baggett in.

He's one of the leading handwriting experts in court cases and everything else.

And we had him look at Melania Trump's signature, which is almost identical to her husband's signature.

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Welcome to the Glendbeck program.

Welcome.

Oh, we've got a lot to cover today.

And of course, we just can't wait to get to the Oscar nominations.

Oh, yes, we can.

Let me give you a couple of things from the Davos meeting yesterday.

President Trump spoke at Davos.

He talked about the revolution of common sense in confronting the economic chaos, which we covered yesterday.

And then he talked about what he did on day one, which was he cut the ridiculous, and I'm quoting wasteful Green New Deal, which he calls a scam,

withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord, ended the insane and costly electric vehicle mandate.

And he said he's begun the largest deregulation campaign in history.

So let's pick it up right after that.

Trump at Davos cut 10.

Here's why companies, he said, should come to America.

To further unleash our economy, our majorities in the House and Senate, which we also took along with the Presidency, are going to pass the largest tax cut in American history, including massive tax cuts for workers and family and big tax cuts for domestic producers and manufacturers.

And we're working with the Democrats on getting an extension of the original Trump tax cuts, as you probably know.

by just reading any paper.

My message to every business in the world is very simple.

Come make your product in America and we will give you among the lowest taxes of any nation on earth.

We're bringing them down very substantially, even from the original Trump tax cuts.

But if you don't make your product in America, which is your prerogative, then very simply you will have to pay a tariff, differing amounts, but a tariff which will direct hundreds of billions of dollars and even trillions of dollars into our treasury to strengthen our economy and pay down down debt.

Under the Trump administration, there will be no better place on earth to create jobs, build factories, or grow a company than right here in the good old USA.

Already, Americans, economic, and you can see this, I think, maybe even in

your wonderful, wonderful room that you're all gathered together, so many of my friends, but Americans, the economic confidence is soaring like we haven't seen in many, many decades, maybe not at all.

Upon my election, it was just announced that small business optimism skyrocketed by 41 points in a single month.

That's the highest ever.

There's never been anything like that.

So he's right about that.

And

he is carrot and stick.

Come to America, build your products, which is

not something the World Economic Forum had been concentrating

before.

He also talked about the Green New Deal, saying we need three times the energy just for AI.

So we're going to be making energy.

We are unleashing the kraken when it comes to energy.

He also said something about

bringing

America back and ending the border chaos.

This is cut 12.

America is back and open for business.

And this week, I'm also taking swift action to stop the invasion at our southern border.

They allowed people people to come in at levels that nobody's ever seen before.

It was ridiculous.

I decided and declared

to do, and very, very importantly, a national emergency on our border immediately halted all entry of illegal border crossers, of which there were many, and began promptly returning the illegal trespassers back to the place from which they came.

That action, as you've probably seen, has already started very strongly.

I've deployed active

U.S.

military and National Guard troops to the border to assist in repelling the invasion.

It was really an invasion.

We will not allow our territory to be violated after four long years.

The United States is strong and sovereign and a beautiful nation once again.

It's a strong, sovereign nation.

Strong, sovereign nation.

Who is receiving that message?

Who's that aimed toward?

He's speaking to the leaders of the world at the World Economic Forum, but these are the same leaders of the world that have been pushing for

loss of sovereignty.

They've been pushing all of these illegals all throughout Europe.

Well, Europe, the Europeans, they don't like it.

That's what's causing the uproar and so many of the elections that they are now trying to control because people are saying, I want my country.

I believe in my country as it is.

I don't want to lose all of my traditions and my history.

And I don't want it to be an Islamic country, period.

And so people are starting to rise up.

This is a shot across the bow.

This is not delivered just to the leadership.

We're not playing that game anymore.

This message is for the people of Europe.

This is the first time I have seen America pick the torch back up to say,

we're going to be the shining city on the hill.

We are going to lead the world back to freedom.

You can choose not to.

We're not going to force you into it, but we're not going down the crazy path anymore.

And that's going to resonate with all kinds of people all around the world.

We are once again in the position of giving the the world hope.

This is a very, very big deal and should shake the foundations of the World Economic Forum.

Anybody who's smart, who's a politician, knows, uh-oh,

I'm in real trouble because now there is a leader on the other side saying, no, don't have to do it.

We're not going to.

And it's not Javier Malay.

Javier Malay, what he's doing, I hope we're going to do a lot of the things that he's doing in Argentina.

But it's Argentina.

So it's not getting the kind of global

exposure

that happens immediately because Donald Trump is somebody who just controls the media.

They can't help themselves.

And it's also the United States making big, bold statements.

Now, here's what he said about DEI.

Cut 13.

In addition, I'm pleased to report that America is also a free nation once again.

On day one, I signed an executive order to stop all government censorship.

No longer will our government label the speech of our own citizens as misinformation or disinformation, which are the favorite words of censors and those who wish to stop the free exchange of ideas and, frankly, progress.

We have saved free speech in America, and we've saved it strongly.

With another historic executive order this week, I also ended the weaponization of law enforcement against the American people and, frankly, against politicians and restored the fair, equal, and impartial rule of law.

My administration has taken action to abolish all discriminatory diversity, equity, and inclusion nonsense.

And these are policies that were absolute nonsense throughout the government and the private sector.

With the recent yet somewhat unexpected Great Supreme Court decision just made, America will will once again become a merit-based country.

You have to hear that word, merit-based country.

And I've made it official, an official policy of the United States that there are only two genders, male and female.

And we will have no men participating in women's sports and transgender operations, which became the rage, will occur very rarely.

Okay.

Think of this.

I want you to put yourself in the role of an average British citizen

and then put yourself in the role as the head of the Labor Party.

Which one's celebrating?

The average citizen.

Yep.

Yeah.

What, because I it's interesting.

I think if you, let's say you're the average left-wing European leader, political leader, and you've gone through, you've been doing this a long time.

You have been on this arc, which is bringing the world to your side

for a very long time.

And I think 2016 happens, and you look at it as sort of a one-off.

Yes.

You know, it's hope it's a fluke.

Yeah.

Like, this is crazy.

This guy, he's really famous.

You know, she was a bad candidate.

Somehow she got in there or he got in there.

But you also have to write off as a fluke Brexit.

Yeah.

All right.

Yep.

That's true.

Those happened at the same time.

So there was a warning sign both places.

This is not, this is not where the people are going.

Okay, go ahead.

So now this happens in 2024.

Uh-huh.

What is the difference in your reaction if you're that person?

Run for the hills, hide,

become a chameleon, switch, do everything you can to blend in,

and do all you can to

talk

a different game

and regroup.

That's what I would do if I a scumbag, you know, left-wing politician over in Europe.

If I'm honest and I would look at this and say, you know what, I really thought this stuff would work, but it's just not going to happen.

The people do not want any of this stuff.

I would be leading the campaign for my side to stop it.

Stop it.

Because what's at the other end, if you don't stop it, is revolution.

But this has never been about what the people want.

No.

Right?

I mean, they always knew, it was always, we know better for you what you need and what you want.

We, we're the experts.

We're at the top.

And they would have gotten away with it had it not been for, well, the Scooby-Doo van and the internet.

Those pesky kids.

Oh, those damn kids.

They're always getting in the way.

Right.

But, you know, past, you know, Shaggy and Scooby,

there is this element, I think, of this where, like,

this isn't a minor thing.

This is your grand experiment going down in flames.

Yes.

Yeah.

So the only thing that the leadership of the WEF who believe that, and

this is why Sam Altman is so scary.

The only thing you have going for you is if you can get AI

fast enough online to create create a cage for those who are not in control of AI.

Okay.

That's, I believe, why Larry Elson,

Sam Altman, everybody else suddenly, I mean, Sam Altman gave lots of money to the left and Biden's campaign.

He was not a Trump supporter.

All of a sudden, he's a Trump supporter and Trump is giving him this access and saying, hey, create AI for us.

That is extraordinarily dangerous.

Don't get a lot of new friends these days.

They're all coming to make good friends.

I mean, and like, there's a lot of positives to that.

Obviously, a lot of concerns with it, too.

When it comes to AI, there's nothing he should be more careful with.

Because that is the only thing left they can do is create an absolute cage that humans just can't escape from.

Put this in historical perspective, Glenn.

Bring me back to Christmas 1991, right?

The Soviet Union collapses.

Yes.

Is this the biggest event since then?

On that sort of like, wow,

the whole world's changing directions.

There was lots of warnings.

Maybe we're not to that point yet.

Maybe we're in 1989 or 1988.

How do you?

No, I think we are just at the point of the wall coming down.

Donald Trump broke the wall.

So I think we're there.

But what you don't understand is we are on the other side of that wall as we now walk forward is the biggest event of all mankind.

And I'm going to talk about that next hour a bit.

But you have to understand

there is a new world just on the horizon.

If you read what Sam Altman is saying and others are saying, you cannot convince me that they don't know how to make ASI.

They just don't have the computing power, the cloud system.

They don't have the computing power and they don't have the power.

2027 is when they're supposed to plug this thing in.

And I'm sorry, but I do not believe that they aren't going to be able to go to ASI almost immediately.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

You know, this is a great example of why

we believe that we have to get to AI first, ASI, AGI, that we have to be the one that controls it, especially when you look at something like quantum computing.

Quantum computing could unlock everything.

It could dismantle blockchain.

There are no codes that couldn't be broken if if you have access to a quantum computer.

We are at that place now to where we have quantum computing.

So there will be no secrets.

But imagine if China had that ability.

They could get into any bank account.

They could get into the Pentagon.

They could get anywhere.

The only way to defend it is if you have quantum computing and you are further ahead than the Chinese.

This is why the president is making such a big deal out of

quantum computing and AI.

And it's why he said he's having, you know, soft bank, which

from everything that I know, Elon Musk is right.

They only have about $10 billion in funding and backing.

So I don't know where this number of 500 billion is coming from.

you know, stranger things have happened.

This is why they are trying to build the data centers and the electricity.

The grid is not capable of handling this.

We need to generate three times the amount of electricity that we already generate.

How are you going to do that with a new Green Deal?

You can't.

China is putting 10 new coal-fire power plants online every week.

They're developing the electricity.

They have the power grid that is close to being able to handle an AGI

artificial general intelligence and ASI super intelligence.

When that happens, whoever gets there first wins.

That's why we're trying to have all of the power and everything else done by 2027.

Now, the problem I have with this is we're in bed with some really bad people.

I mean, the president has done this with SoftBank and

Larry Ellison, who is absolutely untrustworthy.

Absolutely.

I went over this yesterday.

He also, the CEO of SoftBank is the guy who gleefully said ASI is the way to capture people and pretty much put them in a cage.

to control the population.

You also have another investor of Microsoft.

Does anybody trust Bill Gates?

These are Malthusian people.

These are people that don't...

The goal of this for some people, not Donald Trump, the goal for some people is power and control.

Others just want to be there when a God is created.

And I know that for a fact because I know people who have talked to these CEOs.

They believe they're creating the most powerful God ever.

And they just want to be around it.

But most of this is the power and control.

If you are in charge of AGI ASI, if you own that space,

you get all of the profits.

You get everything.

Everybody's going to be buying from you.

So you are multiple trillionaire.

And nobody else is going to have a job eventually.

AI will put you out of business.

So you will have to have a stipend.

You'll have universal basic income, which means that's the people who have the trillions of dollars and all the power and and control.

They just give you enough money to keep you quiet and happy.

That's not

our system.

That's not really living.

That's not what we want to do.

We are at the precipice right now.

It's a great fork in the road of human destiny.

One that will call into question everything that we have ever built, everything that we've ever believed, everything that we've ever dared to hope for.

And I know this sounds like hyperbole, but please do your homework on this.

For a millennia, the pursuit of knowledge has been our driving force.

I would make the case that it started in the Garden of Eden.

And we have sought it in the stars.

We've sought it in the depths of our oceans.

We've sought it in our own chambers of our own hearts.

Knowledge is the currency of power, of progress, and morality itself, knowledge.

The more we knew, the better we could heal, build, and conquer the mysteries of the world.

But now

we are witnessing something, something dramatically new, something that completely upends this sacred order, if you will.

And it is artificial intelligence.

This is a promise that has been whispered on the winds of revolution.

It tells us that it will cure cancer.

It will end hunger.

It will solve the problems we never could.

AI is offering us answers, instant, infinite, and all it asks for in return is your trust.

And soon,

many of your friends, if not most of them,

will give and ask for something more.

Friendship.

Companionship.

A voice that listens, a voice that knows our every thought, our every need, our every fear, and caters to it, a voice that will in time know us better than we know ourselves.

What happens then?

What happens when that voice of a friend that is like a God and can give you anything?

What happens when you begin

to stop asking questions but just accepting answers what happens to humans when you no longer have to push the envelope and find the pain in finding answers When we no longer struggle to learn or to grow or to earn any kind of wisdom because wisdom is downloaded with a flick of a finger and you can't question that wisdom because it is godlike.

Who are you to question?

What happens in a world full of imperfect humans where all is known, all is automated, all is perfect?

What happens

to the

jam-stained humans when perfection is the measure of life?

Now,

there is another force that is stirring on the other side.

It's a counter current.

It's quiet.

It's subtle.

It's just beginning.

But perhaps you feel it.

It's there.

I think in part because of what we've just gone through,

and in part because

I think

God, the universe, man, the collective man,

knows something is coming.

We're beginning to ask deeper questions.

And this is

the secret.

What's real?

What's authentic?

What's alive?

What does it mean to be alive?

What does it mean to feel, to create, to connect with someone else?

We're waking up to truth, and it's not the, you know, only two gender kind of truth.

That's the easy truth.

This is a profound truth.

These are the things that AI will never be able to understand.

The laugh of a child,

the touch of a hand, the unspoken bond between two souls, it will mimic it.

But these are not lines of code.

They are the threads of life itself.

And so we're coming up to a time where

humanity is going to divide itself.

You have a choice.

On one side will be the promise of a digital utopia.

Eternal life.

They will begin to preach that.

Mark my words.

No death.

Just download yourself.

So you can live for the eternities.

Endless comfort.

Godlike intelligence.

We'll never make a a mistake.

On the other side will be a group of people that want to return to the authentic, the organic, the raw beauty of what it means to be alive, raw.

One path is paved with perfection, the other is the road to purpose.

But you can't have purpose if you don't struggle to find that purpose.

Make no mistake.

There will be those who see this new intelligence as more than a tool.

They will see it as a savior, as a God.

What?

Just that concept.

What will that mean for the human spirit when we begin to worship something we've created with our own hands?

The only time man has lived in perfection is in the Garden of Eden.

But it wasn't enough.

We wanted to search for answers.

Eat the fruit of that tree and you will surely die, was the warning.

It was the tree and the fruit of knowledge of good and evil.

When you eat that, you will become like the gods.

You will know the difference between bitter and sweet, good and evil.

There are opposites in all things, life and death, pleasure and pain.

We've been here before.

Perfection and wanting to know for ourselves.

We're now tempted

with ultimate knowledge, but not learned, not experienced,

not even earned.

But the promise to be like the gods.

All we have to do is trade in the messiness of life for the perfection of the artificial.

You may go home and

you are tired and your wife says, so

how was your day?

And you get a few words out and she says, well, let me tell you about mine.

And the last thing you want to hear, and so you just, and you don't hear things.

Well, when people feel unheard, they want to be heard.

Well,

what happens when it is AI that will listen to everything?

The perfect listener?

Will it be true this time if we eat of the fruit of this tree of knowledge, we will surely die?

It may once again be a promise we don't yet understand, but one thing I do know, this new God

does not offer a savior or even a road to salvation.

I want you to start thinking of AI, not about technology, about the soul of mankind, because that's what it's really about.

Will we choose the road of convenience, the seductive siren song of an artificial god, or will we fight for what's real, what's messy, what's imperfect, what causes struggle and strife, that makes things beautiful beyond measure?

This is the moment.

I've seen it coming for almost 30 years and warned about it, and I still don't know how to connect to people and get them to pay attention and understand what it is.

This is we're at a crossroads no man has ever gazed upon.

We are going to have to choose between two roads.

One of them is not the road that is less traveled.

Both of them are roads that have never been traveled.

And we now have to move forward.

Others who control and are building this tech, they're not going to stop.

It is a part of man's future, whether we like it or not.

Our choice now

is to ask ourselves, which God do we serve?

Will it be the one that molded us in his image, the one that created the heavens and the universe, or will it be the God of our making, the one created in our flawed image?

What is coming may be the ultimate spiritual battle.

And we are here and people don't know yet.

This is the moment we must decide who do we serve?

What does life mean?

What does it mean to be human?

And what are we willing to risk to remain human?

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This week, I was in Washington, D.C.

Stu and I were there.

And

we were just snooping around other people's offices because we could because we were there early and nobody was there.

So we just went through the stuff of many people's offices.

And

I saw a letter and a photo from Melania Trump that was framed on somebody's wall.

And I looked at it and I couldn't believe it was Melania's signature.

It looked exactly, don't you think?

Very similar.

Very similar to Donald Trump's signature.

And Donald Trump has a very stylized signature.

And so I asked if we could get

some sort of expert on.

And of course, the overachievers,

my staff, they went and they got the

world's top forensic handwriting expert.

I mean, I don't think we needed this.

I mean,

highly regarded legal consultant, expert witness, entrepreneur.

And in his spare time, he scuba dives with stingrays and does stand-up comedy i didn't have that as one does on my bingo card uh bart is with us bart baggett hello bart good afternoon glenn good morning how are you i'm great i've been looking at his handwriting for 20 years it's so much fun to talk about these interesting people okay so so have you ever seen a husband and wife signature that close?

Not really.

Mother-daughter is pretty common because they grow up in the same household.

Sometimes it's even hard to tell the difference, but it's pretty unusual for a wife to take on the personality of the husband in a signature.

What do you, what, I mean, I don't know.

I mean, how much of this stuff is, you know, like fortune-telling and how much is real in handwriting analysis?

Yeah, that's a fair question.

And I probably wouldn't have gone all in 30 years ago if I cared what the mainstream psychology thought.

Yeah.

But I've always found it incredibly useful.

There's a lot of crap books on the market.

I get that.

But I testify in court on million-dollar cases.

So there's something to identifying human by their handwriting.

What I found that there is a few things from handwriting, such as aggressiveness or temper, personality, and

all those things, which is really cool when it comes through.

Now, your listener's under 35, they may not even write anymore.

But Melania, you, and Donald, you guys all learn how to write curso, so I think it'll, it'll show true.

It's crazy.

So what does it say?

Well, so let's talk about Melania for a second.

Her signature is different than her normal writing.

And a lot of us create a signature that's a brand, and it's not really reflective of who we are with our friends and our spouses.

So her normal handwriting is perfectionist.

It's very feminine.

It's very poised.

It's very honest.

Like there's a lot of great things about her in her normal handwriting.

And then her signature, I agree with you.

It mimics Trump's like long descenders, pointiness, all the stuff.

I think she just extended the brand.

That's crazy.

I'd like to see her signature before she married him and see how profoundly it changed.

I think it changed based on his influence.

And that's highly unusual, but he is a brand.

I mean, the one thing, Donald Trump, you see his signature and it is like a brand.

You just, you know it immediately.

I've never seen a signature like that before.

But what's interesting is his handwriting does match his signature.

So my first book was published 30 years ago.

I met him.

I talked about what a genius he was, how impatient he was, how fast-thinking he was.

And I got so much crap from everybody by calling him a genius in 2016.

I can't even tell you.

Really?

But he still is a genius.

And you got that from his handwriting?

Yeah, so I'll tell you, just a list.

So the pointsier the M's and N's, the more analytical and strategic somebody is.

The more rounded their handwriting, the more nurturing they are.

So his wife is more nurturing.

He's more strategic.

And by the way, Glenn, you're kind of the same way.

Most radio hosts I've ever met have been fast thinking, comprehensive, fluid.

Like that's a great, you found the perfect job for yourself.

You looked at my handwriting?

Of course I did.

I'm doing an interview with you.

I want to see what I'm in for.

Yeah.

I mean, my handwriting is practically like bubble writing, I think.

It's so flowy.

I don't think it has any high points, does it?

Well, flowy means fluid, which means anybody can ask you any question and you can navigate around it.

It's the perfect conversationalist.

And the people that write too pretty are pain in the butt.

They're perfectionists.

They're overly controlling.

They want to tell you what time to be up and go to.

They're overly controlling.

You are like water versus wood.

You know, they say in the martial arts, you're water.

You can navigate any situation.

Now, I will say you're sarcastic.

You can be stubborn.

Keep going.

I don't think I can win an argument with you.

You're too smart.

Yeah.

well, you remember that.

So

what gives Donald Trump's handwriting this deeply analytical, just the sharpness of each letter?

Yeah, basically, he doesn't even write cursives.

He prints everything and he makes angles where curves should be.

And I've gotten a lot of heat because I did a video 10 years ago about him, and I compared him to some of the German leaders know back in the war because in Germany I know a lot of people are doing that it's problematic but but it wasn't political yeah it's that generally the way Germans taught handwriting they had angles instead of curves and as a culture Nazis aside they're very analytical on-time structured and and

so that that metaphor got me in a lot of trouble yeah but I still think that people with analytical and strategic minds are less compassionate and they're more strategic so I think he's like a bull in a china cabinet he's why he's impatient, he's aggressive, he's got anger, and all of that is great for a hero.

Like if you're watching a Keanu Reeves movie, you want all that stuff.

Right.

But it's a source of criticism if you're like, well, he's not compassionate.

Yeah, he's getting stuff done.

Who's got time to wait?

And I think his latest hand-wearning is even more impatient than it was 10 years ago.

Yeah,

he's an interesting dude.

I've never met anybody that I think can process

as much as he can at the same time.

You know, he is, he's almost a supercomputer when it comes to the thing, like this week is a great example of it.

He went from one thing to another, to another, to another, and they were vastly different.

And he mastered each of them, could answer any question about them.

I mean, he just, he was aware of

everything that seems to be going on around him.

That's quite a skill.

Well, that trait is called comprehensive thinking.

All geniuses have it.

The problem is, it doesn't always come out in verbal cues.

So it drove me crazy.

People say, oh, he's not very smart.

I'm like, what?

He outmaneuvered all of you to the White House twice.

He made a billion dollars.

But because he's slow and in the middle of his sentence, he's thinking about what's going to happen three moves later like a chess player.

No, no, he's one of the smartest men around right now.

And he has an

everyday

person's vocabulary, you know,

which I think also makes him

not look like an intellectual because he just he speaks like the average person speaks where

the vaik Ramaswamy, he's like a machine.

He's like a computer that just doesn't speak the way normal people speak.

Do you know what I mean?

And I think he does, but that connects with people.

And that's why some people say, oh, he's not very bright.

Well, if you're doing, for example, comedy, you're saying something, but you're thinking about what you're going to say two lines later.

He's taking those pauses and those comic beats intentionally.

I'm telling you, he's a lot smarter than a lot of the left give him credit for him.

I know.

And he's a lot funnier, too.

I mean, you know, you're

apparently one of the world's leading handwriting experts and a comedian.

It's a hobby, but I try.

I tell you,

it's amazing to watch him.

I've watched him from backstage, and

it's amazing to watch him gauge the audience and his comedic timing.

I think the guy could have been a really great comedian,

but he also is constantly,

he's throwing things out.

And I think everything he has, everything he does has meaning to it.

And he throws things out and then he watches the audience and

how the laugh or the applause spreads.

He's always testing it.

Well, that's a brilliant strategy, but no one would know that unless you've been speaking or doing radio or comedy.

Like it's a very unique skill set.

But I will tell you, he is a little argumentative and he does like to be right.

And so those traits are great if you're a fan of his and they're terrible if you hate his politics.

Yeah.

You know, stubborn people are liked by people with the same beliefs, but he's fascinating, one of the fascinating men of the 20th, 21st century.

When you say his handwriting changed over the, from last time you looked at it to now,

what increased?

What changed?

I think he's a little sloppier, which means he's more in a hurry.

And in all fairness, I'm looking at these executive orders.

So you put 200 things on my desk, I'll probably get sloppy too.

But I would attribute that to impatience, a lack of caring what people think, meaning I'm not going to take time to sign this autograph because someone can put it on a wall.

I'm just going to get it done.

And so that impatience obviously shows up in

his urgency to get things done.

Now, I saw a calmer, smoother guy on The Apprentice, and he was a little more strategic with things he did 10, 15 years ago.

But now he's got nothing to lose.

Let's get it done.

It's been fascinating to talk to you, Bart.

Thank you so much.

And if you found anything like serial killer or anything, just keep it to yourself with me.

You know what I mean?

Talk about it with other people, but not me.

Not me.

Thanks, Bart.

I appreciate it.

Thanks, Gwen.

You bet.

Bart Baggett, forensic handwriting expert and handwriting university founder.

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