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I want to give you a perspective because this is the last broadcast of the full day of this administration.

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Good morning, Stu.

How are you?

Three days, Glenn.

Three days.

Three days.

Until the fundamental transformation of America.

Yeah.

No more of this guy, no more of her, no more of them.

You know, but I think it's a lot bigger than that.

I was thinking about this today when I was driving in, that

this administration exiting is not just another

exit of a president.

It's not the same.

And it wasn't like this in 16, although we hoped it would be, but it is this time because the people and the feeling in the country, even among Democrats, is different now.

We're about to turn the page and enter

a new era or a new chapter.

We're really standing on the edge.

Monday is a moment far larger than politics, but it's only the beginning.

It's not just the end of a presidency, not the changing of the guard.

It is truly the end of an era, an era marked by madness,

by confusion, by division, distortion, a deafening cacophony of chaos.

All of that has drowned out reason and common sense.

And it, you know,

it didn't start yesterday.

As much as the left tried to make this all about words by twisting meaning, redefining words, or using words in ways, quite honestly, to use their words in mis, dis or malinformation, this era is not going to be remembered by the words, but by the actions of those who spoke the millions of those meaningless words.

We can see right now the destruction of our economy, our security,

in really, really clear terms in the homes and the hearths of California, that it is the actions of people that matter

more than simple words.

By their fruits,

ye shall know them.

The fruit of this tree is rotted, and people now are beginning to see that.

Now, like I said, this didn't begin four years ago.

It turned it up to volume number 10,

but this has been brewing for decades.

It has been in our institutions far longer than any of us realize,

metastasizing in our culture, our institutions, and our hearts, and hardening our hearts.

It is an era that we leave on Monday that put truth itself on trial.

Can you even define what truth is anymore?

We went into this place that was so absurd, we couldn't define something as fundamental and self-evident as, can you tell me what a woman is?

Historians are going to look back on this last era that we're now leaving as pure

madness.

But it's also a time

when it took everything in people to question

the powerful mob, to speak the truth that you believe.

It was a risk that at first far too many people wouldn't do because they were afraid of being shouted down,

canceled, or much, much worse.

Common decency,

the once unspoken bond that united us, was thrown out the window.

It became not only unfashionable, but absolutely unrecognizable.

And everybody was at each other's throats.

Common sense, our old friend, just dismissed, exiled, seemingly to the fringes of our society as if it were dangerous now.

or just wildly outdated and we know that we didn't know that yesterday but we know that today

and I mean literally yesterday how many words changed how many things concepts huge truths that we knew we wake up one day and it was completely being dismissed and you'd be like where did this come from

we're leaving a time

of breathtaking hypocrisy Where those who deny corruption themselves take bribes from hostile nations, where the righteous call for unity while sowing division.

This era, racism has been repackaged and sold back to us under the guise of anti-racism.

Hatred, we're told, is perfectly fine as long as it's aimed at the right people.

And those right people may be the wrong people tomorrow.

Faith in God has been replaced by faith in climate models, sexuality, identity.

In this last era that we're now getting ready to leave,

all of those religions had their own dogmas, their high priests, their rituals, and above all, their lack of forgiveness,

meaning that they were anti-Christ teachings.

But somehow or another, many of our churches embrace them as the message of Christ.

There cannot be Christ in any message that doesn't include forgiveness.

But this isn't where the story ends.

We thought before this election, this might be where our story ends.

But here is the really unbelievable news.

God stepped in.

And if you don't recognize that, there is no hope for us.

God stepped in and did something none of us could do.

First of all, he saved the president's life twice.

And if you think that was a secret service, you're nuts.

God saved him twice.

God changed him.

And suddenly our

society is waking up.

This guy who's not our savior

won.

And people started flocking to him and willing to take bold stands and say, you know what, all this crap, it's wrong.

So this is not the end of an era alone.

It's the beginning of the end of that era, the end of unreasonable hatred of others.

Not because they look different,

but simply because they voted differently.

They didn't think differently.

You know,

it was nothing about actual diversity.

It was all about voting.

It's the end of unquestioning obedience to the so-called media and experts who demand that we follow them without question into the slaughterhouse, hoping, I guess, hoping against hope, many of us, that if we would just comply,

our turn on the chopping block would never come.

It's the end of the era of my body, my choice, in everything,

in everything else other than killing your baby.

You can kill your baby, my body, my choice.

Well, it's not your body that's being killed.

It's the baby's body.

Made no sense.

But boy, oh boy, not with

masks, not with vaccines, not with the basic right to just use your legs and leave your home.

It's an end of an era where we have to ask ourselves, ourselves, whose side is this government on?

Who is actually running this thing?

What is the actual plan that our leaders have?

How is this helping the average American?

Who is actually the president?

That ends on Monday.

It's the beginning.

of the end.

There's a lot of work to do.

But it's the beginning of the end of diversity twisted into a weapon where diversity of thought, values, and spirit were just disregarded, replaced by a narrow, suffocating dogma that demanded conformity in all ways.

Even if you were conforming yesterday and then somehow or another through the ether, the mob decided what was true yesterday is no longer true today,

the mob would get you

on anything you disagreed with.

It's the end of the era where dissent was met not with debate, but with just now meaningless labels, racist, fascist, bigot.

I think it's really important that all of us recognize this is not about Democrats.

There are a lot of Democrats that actually woke up.

It's not about Democrats.

It's not about Republicans.

I think both of them stink, quite honestly.

I do.

And that's the message of this new administration.

And you see it with the diversity of people that are actually in this administration.

We don't agree on

lockstep on everything.

Far from it.

The establishment and the Democrats and the Republicans do.

But this isn't about Democrat, Republicans, liberals, conservative, independent.

This is truly about something much, much deeper that begins Monday

it's older and far more grander than a political party

it is truly about

the rebirth or the rediscovering of what it truly means to be free

Monday marks the rebirth of something absolutely extraordinary

Things we used to find self-evident, the freedoms guaranteed just in our First Amendment, the freedom to question our government.

They work for us.

We don't work for them.

The freedom to speak our mind.

Even the most unpleasant and disruptive things, you are allowed to say.

The freedom to worship,

to live out your beliefs, to be who you are without demanding that others speak, affirm, or even accept your truth.

You know, the one thing that we have forgotten in this last era that I hope we are remembering is that this nation wasn't built by people who all walked in lockstep.

They didn't agree on everything.

In fact, far from it.

It was built by people who often vehemently disagreed on the right path forward, but they shared the common commitment to respecting each other's rights and fulfilling their own responsibilities.

It was built on the idea that disagreement, when handled with humility and respect, makes us stronger, not weaker.

Diversity of thought

is important.

Diversity of skin color doesn't matter.

And so, as we say farewell to an era of absolute chaos,

It's really important that we don't say goodbye in anger or bitterness, and that is hard.

We can't alienate our neighbors or assume the worst of those who see the world differently if we agree on the rebirth of the Bill of Rights and each

responsibility that is tied to those rights.

Monday, I hope we recognize that this is an end of an era this weekend, and Monday

is

an invitation to rebuild, to restore, to renew

an era,

a golden era, an era that is dawning just in front of all of us and it belongs to all of us, not just those who won an election or share my view or your view.

It's an era that can only succeed if we remember the lessons of the past and commit to something better to restore hope, not just in our institutions, but in each other.

Renew our faith, not just in God, though that's vital, but also in the idea that people, flawed though they are, can be capable of incredible good.

Seek restoration, not just of our economy

and our government, but of our hearts, of our communities, of our families, our shared understanding of what it means to be human

and to be free.

This weekend, I want you to bid farewell to all of the chaos.

It's the beginning of the end.

There will be more chaos as we go.

But as we lay it down, leave it behind.

Walk forward.

Leave your fear behind.

Walk in courage, not in hatred, but in love, because the truth is, this country has faced darker days than these.

I didn't think we'd make it here, gang.

But every time, this country seems to find the light just at the end.

And we found it.

But it's just flickering, still so fragile in mighty gusts of wind.

But what will happen is not because of a president or Congress or a court.

It will all happen because of you.

So don't wait for anybody else.

Lead the way.

Be the one who chooses faith over fear, courage over conformity, love over hatred.

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I am optimistic.

At the same time, I asked my security, I said, what do you think the odds are of something happening

at the inauguration that's really bad?

And he said, I can't say just the inauguration, something happening bad in Washington, 50-50.

And I was like, oh, okay.

It might have nothing to do with the inauguration.

You might just get mugged.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

I'm like, wow, those are a lot higher than I thought it would be.

But so I'm optimistic, but I'm optimistic because I'm seeing great changes.

There is something coming that is good.

And I would have described it as Jesus is coming.

And it might still be that.

But there is a change coming.

We are not just at the end of this era of

chaos.

I think we're at the end of the era of dismissing

God and spirituality and everything else in favor of just cold, hard facts and science and experts.

I think there's a, and I hope we don't overcorrect too much, but if science can restore itself, science, to me, science and faith walk hand in hand.

God's a mathematician, the best mathematician.

He's not changing math to save us.

He changes us to save ourselves.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, he set up a very precise system.

yes

and he does typically work within it yes which is uh which is something that's uh you know usually those things work together i feel like i think so too i i think so too i never feel like oh well gosh this science is disagreeing right with with god right it tends to work together but this is this is also just about boring earthly things too i mean things are gonna get better hopefully yeah i just every time i think that they don't so i'm kind of going the other way

this is glenn best It's like I vote for Jesus, but every time I say who I'm voting for, it doesn't work out.

Is that what you're saying?

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right in the heart of the nation's capital.

We are ushering in the new era, a golden age, with Donald J.

Trump's second inauguration.

Boy, is it different than the last one?

It does feel different.

We mentioned this the other day that his speech in 2016 was the American Carnage speech, it was known as, or 2017.

This is going to be a golden era speech.

Yeah, I think it's going to be much more hopeful and optimistic.

And there's a, I'm a little worried that we're getting too optimistic.

I don't know, man.

Have you looked at the, I mean, you've watched them with me all week, the testimony in Congress with all the people, they they are just rock solid.

They're like, yeah, Senator, you sound like a hypocrite, and we're not going to do what you say.

It's definitely a different build of an administration.

It is.

And just, you know, watching all the coverage on Monday and, you know, entering into this new era, this is the one, like

2017, it felt like there were still excuses, right?

Like, you know, he, you know, he's still learning the way he's talked about it, learning how to work the system.

He doesn't have that now.

He's, he's going in with the full knowledge.

Right.

So this should be, I mean, you know, my hopes are high, which always makes me nervous.

Yeah.

Well, we're going to be

right just past the bridge that the Kennedy funeral happened right behind the Lincoln Memorial.

And so we'll be broadcasting from there.

Stu and I will be there Monday along with several guests taking us through what is going to happen on that day, what to expect that day.

And we'll just hopefully be outside of the mushroom cloud zone because we'll be on the other side of the river.

And depending on the size of what China decides to do,

or Iran, or Russia, or really any of our enemies,

whatever, we'll be on the other side of the river.

So we'll be the last to be vaporized.

Yeah, you'll hear a good half-second of coverage as the blast goes across the river.

Yeah.

We'll be like, oh my God!

You'll get all that coverage.

Don't look at the flag.

It's weird because, really, I mean, there are going to be so many people there.

Did you know that Donald Trump, I'm going to go over this on Monday, Donald Trump is not relying on the Secret Service?

What do you mean?

He's hired a private company.

In addition to the Secret Service.

In addition to the Secret Service.

Yeah, he's not relying on the Secret Service.

Exclusively.

Yeah, he's got the Secret Service.

They're doing everything.

But he has a private company.

I don't know how many agents.

It's massive.

And this private company is going to do additional

body coverage on him.

He's appointed a head of his own personal team now outside of the Secret Service.

What would make him do something like that?

Maybe a couple of assassination attempts, maybe.

But they have already gone over 48 kilometers, I think,

looking for bombs and everything.

I mean, he is dead serious about this.

He should be.

As I would be.

I don't even know how

on earth can you

secure an event?

Like, I very much can understand how you would secure a field in Pennsylvania.

That I can totally understand.

Something like this.

Yeah.

Washington, D.C.

I mean, I have absolutely no idea, but they're going to have

not only Secret Service helicopters, military helicopters, but also his private security helicopters going over everything, double-checking absolutely everything.

They're going to be the ones that you're going to see at the metal detectors.

It won't just be Secret Service.

It will also be his personal team if you're going into one of the balls.

I mean,

it's quite amazing what he has done.

I have so many questions about the security.

I feel like we shouldn't ask any of them, though.

I don't want to know any of the answers, but it's just like, I just, it seems almost impossible.

You have security experts around you all the time.

Obviously, you have security on a day-to-day basis.

And these guys have secured, I mean, I've talked to some of your security guys as they're sitting in like at the Super Bowl with like the most famous people in the world, right?

Like it's that type of security.

And,

you know.

I'm sure they have a plan, and I'm sure there are a lot of things to look for, and there's a lot of technology that's useful, and there's a lot you can do.

But man, like when you're talking about just basically opening up a city, I mean, like,

how do you secure something like that?

The only thing that could even make any sense to me was when we did the

event in Washington, D.C.

back in the day,

what was it called?

Restoring something.

We restored something that day.

Honor.

Honor that day.

And it was, you know, 500,000 people there.

And it's like, you just look around, it's like, I know our guys are doing the best possible that they can do, but there's, how do you secure it?

It's like you've brought an entire mid-level city onto a field.

I know.

Like, I don't know.

Yeah, it was quite intense.

Yeah.

And I remember behind the scenes, like, those guys were, I mean, they were incredible.

Yeah.

But also, it's just, it seems like a task that's, it's like when I take out a new piece of furniture, building it, putting it together seems like a task too difficult to actually accomplish.

And it just teeters for a problem.

Yeah, the problem is when you have the money of the federal government, they rely on money.

You know what I mean?

They just like throw more money at it.

Just put more people there.

Just put different machines there instead of really thinking it through.

And that's what I think private

people do much better, much better, because they're using their brains.

Anyway, we're going to be there.

All-star cast of Blaze TV's brightest political minds beyond location for the swearing-in ceremonies of our 47th president.

Allie Stuckey is going to be there.

Matthew Peterson, Chris Bedford, Steve Baker.

Steve, it's an important day for Steve Baker on Monday.

Yeah, it sure is.

He's hoping for a presidential pardon.

He is the reporter at the Blaze that was

reporting.

Reporting and

charged with what was he charged with?

It wasn't just parading.

It was like.

Yeah, I don't remember the exact charges, but he was basically just, I mean, he is literally on video for every second he's inside the Capitol.

He is reporting.

Yeah.

100%.

He's not chanting.

He's not breaking windows.

He's not hitting police officers.

Just reporting.

They charged him anyway.

The pardon, I think, will come, but I mean, you don't know until he's in there and and he does it.

Julio Rosas, I don't know how he, why, maybe he volunteers for these things, but he's going to be embedded with the protests.

There's many protests that are planned,

and those could get really ugly, but he's going to be embedded with the protest and deliver real-time updates on that.

Our special coverage as a preview to Blaze Media live inauguration event Monday, 11 a.m.

That is the last hour of the broadcast.

So it will be a simulcast.

Right, on radio.

So if you're listening to this program, you'll hear it as we lead into the actual inauguration coverage, which kind of starts right as this show ends.

So it's going to be, it's going to be intense.

I've never been to one of these before.

Have you been to a?

No.

Never.

Never.

You have never been to one.

No.

Really?

Never.

Is that because all of the previous presidents that have been elected hated your guts?

Hated my guts.

Hated my guts.

No, I've never really

had a desire to go.

Yeah, you know, I was kind of that way.

Yeah, I was talking to my wife.

She was making cheese sandwiches last night.

And I'm like, Your husband is taking you to an inaugural ball.

You're making me cheese sandwiches?

Really?

And I'm joking with her.

Really?

You can't get something a little better than a cheese sandwich?

First of all, cheese sandwiches are delicious.

Oh,

she made it with their grilled cheese sandwiches with tomato soup, which is

unbelievable.

So, anyway, I was joking with her.

Yeah.

And she said,

she said, ooh,

the inaugural ball.

And it's mocking.

It is mocking.

I just love her so much because she is so not impressed with anything.

I think I could be a monster if it wasn't for her just beating me down all the time, just going, ooh, you're impressive.

Oh, you talked to who today?

It's true.

And she is that way.

And you definitely need it.

But also, it is pretty cool.

No, she, like, we talked about that.

We were like, it is kind of cool.

It's kind of cool.

History.

Yeah.

At this point, this is the only one that I've ever wanted to go to.

I mean, if I could have gone to Reagan's, I would have wanted to go to Reagan's, but this is the only one that I

wanted to go to because I think it is the beginning of a new era.

This is, and it's up to us, King.

God did his part.

I can't say this enough.

God

did his part.

Turning of the head.

Bullet behind.

Incredible.

I still cannot believe that happened.

That was a miracle.

God did his part.

The part we couldn't do.

Now the rest of it is kind of on our shoulders.

He's like, okay, I gave you another, you know, gave you another.

No pun intended.

I'm sorry, it should be more like, no pun intended.

I gave you another shot.

But Joe Biden.

But,

you know, it's up to us now.

And what we do with this, we have the best opportunity in my lifetime.

to set this right and to re-embrace truth.

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I will say,

you know, it's supporting, you know,

I think one of the reasons,

and it's part of the whole God picture, I think, but one of the reasons why is there why this has happened is there were independent media institutions that could push back against that.

And that's it's the media institutions that, I mean, remember when we started the plays, everyone said this was crazy.

It was.

And it was.

I know it was.

It's statistically crazy.

This started the ball rolling down this road that where, you know, when I was at TPS, TPUSA in Phoenix, all of the podcasters, all of Daily Wire and everything like that, we were all there and we were all in the hallway.

And

when I got on stage, I said, I just want you to recognize how much has changed.

10, 12 years ago, there was no one in that hallway.

Now that hallway has more power

and a bigger, more impressive reach and credibility than all of the mainstream media combined.

That's incredible.

Yeah, it really is.

Yeah.

The audience has made a big difference in this country.

We've talked about it many, many times.

But this is another way that they have.

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Got it right.

Thank you.

Good job.

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Start of the new year.

Great time to think about new types of emergency situations.

That's what I always like to do.

You know,

let's take some of the danger out of commission here.

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And he had a gun.

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That might end.

I'm not willing to kill this guy, you know?

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Some people think nature is like this, but actually, it's like this.

That's why Columbia engineers everything we make for anything anything nature can throw at you.

Columbia engineered for whatever.

You know, we're just talking off air about security for the president.

And Stu just said something, you know, they've already tried it twice.

And, you know, using the word they,

I think it

has been almost a deep state kind of hypnosis thing that made people want to kill Donald Trump.

You know, know, it's the media and the deep state and all the grap, the crap that they were pushing out.

But if you look through history,

it's either Marxist or quite honestly, people on the Palestinian cause that shoot or try to shoot presidents.

And

I think, I don't know if the deep state would still be trying to, if they ever did,

because that would just be,

you'd usher in things like the Great Society Bill, except in reverse.

You would make Donald Trump, John F.

Kennedy, maybe plus, plus, plus.

Because nobody believed the conspiracy back then.

Everyone would believe the conspiracy.

And he was the guy trying to dismantle the state.

And

the attitude, which the worst thing the left could do is try to take him out.

From their perspective and from ours.

Yes.

But from their perspective, it would be a big backfire.

That being said, I have no, no

confidence at all in their ability to restrain themselves.

I mean, they've obviously shown

already

during the campaign.

I really do hope so.

I just pray that the security is there.

Yeah,

I think the problem is the

lunatic fringe.

Yeah.

You know, the smart ones are going to go hibernate.

They're going to do what they did during

during Reagan.

And we've got to watch that because they're going to reevaluate and say, okay, what did we miss this time?

Yeah, and what do we build to defeat it next time?

Yeah, you're right.

The smart left will do that.

There is that activist left.

That's crazy.

Yeah, I don't know, man.

And scary.

If they try that,

you will see a small government Republican in office for the next 20 years and with Congress and the Senate as well.

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is follow through on the ban of TikTok.

One last favor for China.

You know,

he's leaving that one for Trump.

Interesting, isn't it?

Yeah,

yeah, he's not going to enforce it for the 24 hours that I guess he could enforce it and just leave it to Trump.

Why not?

Why not?

I don't know.

I mean, what would he, I don't know what he would do exactly.

I mean, it would obviously could be, whatever he does could be changed by Trump in 24 hours.

I don't know.

But that hasn't stopped him.

No, he doesn't care.

I mean, he's been trying to.

He's like, I'm going to replace all the pictures of George Washington with Karl Marx.

I don't know.

What's your, I mean, I guess what's your current position on the TikTok thing?

Because obviously Trump has had both positions.

He wanted it banned.

Now he does not want it banned.

He's trying to reverse it.

Trump is trying everything he can to make sure this doesn't go through.

You will, by the way, if you're watching, you will see the TikTok CEO at the inauguration in the front row.

Apparently, I will tell you that

I have a hard time with this ban because it's not specific enough.

All you would need to do is say anything that is owned or controlled by the Communist Party of China or any hostile nation and get very specific.

The way it's worded is a little, it has a little few, too many loopholes in it.

I agree with you.

Like, when you come down to the very dirty specifics of the law, it's a little weird.

You know, and I go back and forth a little bit in my own head when you go back and consider

both sides of this because I don't really like the idea of the government coming in and shutting down companies, even if they are foreign companies.

I don't like the idea that like a bunch of people, you know, despite the fact it is literally the worst content that's ever been created, you know, a bunch of people went out and started a job and created their dream, and now all of a sudden, like, you know, the rug's being pulled out from under them by the government.

I don't like that.

On the other hand, you know, the Chinese government does not have First Amendment rights.

You know, and they're a hostile nation.

I mean, they're a hostile nation.

If you

look at Germany,

IBM went into Germany.

And, I mean, it is the punch card system that IBM provided that helped round up all the Jews.

It's the reason why when they would take a census and figure out who's where, it was IBM that could crunch all those numbers and say, here are all the addresses of the Jews.

The book, IBM and the Holocaust.

Yeah.

You know, and we tried to stop them and they just kept skirting it.

Coca-Cola finally was said, finally told, no more Coca-Cola, no more in Germany.

And that's not something that is

political in any way.

That's not helping the Germans, but they, I mean, and they skirted around it as well.

Do you know?

Oh, it's the same thing happened in Russia.

Yeah.

Like all those companies pulled out, and like now there's just a bunch of places that sell hamburgers with golden arches.

Nelly, I know, but that's not what this is.

Have you ever had Fanta?

Yeah.

Okay.

Coca-Cola product, right?

Yeah.

Orange.

Do you know why Fanta exists?

I mean, I don't know.

No, I don't know.

So Coca-Cola was told.

I did talk about this once.

What is it?

What is this?

They were told, shut down all your operations.

Okay.

And they have the Coca-Cola bottling companies.

All right.

And so as they're shutting down and saying you can't make Coke anymore, they're saying, what do you have access to in Germany?

Give us all of the ingredients you could possibly muster en masse.

And the guys in Atlanta came up and said, oh, you can make orange soda.

So Fanta is the Nazi drink.

Really?

It really is.

It is.

It's what Coca-Cola made

so the Coca-Cola bottling company would still be selling product under Nazi rule.

It should be clear, the current Fanta is not the Nazi drink for all those people out there.

I mean, maybe because they forgot.

Maybe Nazis were like, oh, Fanta, I forgot how much I love Fanta.

I just don't think that's where their advertising is going these days.

No, it's not.

It's not.

Hey, Aryans,

try this great orange drink.

But a lot of these companies, I mean, you've talked about many of them that have historical basis

in that conflict and did terrible things.

Bear.

Was it Hugo Boss, was it?

Hugo Boss made the uniform.

But they're German.

Right.

So they're German.

But here's the thing.

First of all, TikTok, if you ban them, they're just going to find a way.

They'll just find a way to do it.

You know, it's interesting because we've talked about that.

Yeah.

Because in theory, what this law would do, was what I talked about the other day.

It would prevent you from downloading, new people downloading it it from the App Store, and it would prevent them from having updates from downloading updates, but it would still theoretically work.

What TikTok is basically threatening is we're just pulling the plug.

Like, they're trying to pressure America from changing this.

So they're saying, we're just going to turn it off completely.

You're going to go there and see a message that you can't access this.

So the law doesn't specifically stop them.

It doesn't actually ban TikTok.

However, TikTok's essentially enforcing a ban on themselves

because they're trying to send a message and hoping it will change the policy.

I mean, boy,

how many kids

and how many adults would be screaming to high heaven if TikTok is off?

Right.

And that's what their plan is.

And right.

And

that's why Joe Biden didn't turn it off.

Donald Trump doesn't want to turn it off.

And no one wants to get blamed.

Nobody wants to have an entire generation.

Right.

However, this is different.

They are, I mean, first of all, they would never run the same same algorithm in China.

Never.

They don't even allow the app in China.

No.

They don't even allow to talk to China.

Well, they have a version of it, but it's only for positive things

that uplift people.

And it also has a timer on it.

You use it for more than like an hour a day and it shuts off for you.

You know that?

It's amazing.

They don't let you get addicted to it.

I mean, at least what they're doing here

is addict our people.

As I was talking about this, I was talking to just people around here.

And, you know, they're just like, God, you're not going to be, oh, man, I don't know what's going to happen on Sunday.

My wife, all she does all day is just scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, scroll, video after video after video after video.

For like, that is not a healthy way to build a society, boys and girls.

It's really a bad idea,

but it's true, and I think a lot of people will.

Now, look, look, there's plenty of other dumb entertainment out there.

Like,

yeah, but it's different.

I don't know if you're like this, like I am.

It drives me nuts when I'm talking to somebody who's addicted to TikTok and they're like, look at this, this is funny.

Okay, we'll do that once.

But then it's like five minutes later, did you know this?

Look at this.

Oh my gosh.

And then two minutes later, oh my gosh, look at this.

None of them are related.

All of them have to be consumed.

All of them are the most important thing of that second.

And I cannot have a conversation with you.

There's, I can't, I can't deal with your crisis or your hilarity of

10 seconds.

Yep.

It's dipping your brain in acid.

Yes.

That's all it is.

And it's true.

It's really hard to talk to someone when

because

half your conversations are look at this video.

And then, of course, the experience of watching the video is terrible.

They pull it up.

There's all the controls of the video are all over the screen.

It starts too late.

The audio is not on.

They got to scroll back, then scroll back again.

So it starts again.

It drives me freaking crazy.

I hate it.

But it is like this is a giant chunk of a whole generation

basically is like, it's like the Matrix, right?

Like you're connected to the Matrix.

Whatever slop they're putting into you keeps

you're alive.

You just, you know, that's a bare latest, but you're right.

And when that turns off, I think it will be something.

Now, look, you can go to Reels and get the same dumb feed.

I mean,

I'm on Instagram.

I find myself, you know, just scroll, you know, I see something and I'm like, oh, wow, I got to watch that, blah, blah, blah.

YouTube.

And then

even X.

And

you just go down this rabbit hole.

And it does nothing for you.

Nothing.

That being said,

empty calories like crazy.

That is

worse.

Yeah.

I mean, I think there's value in junk food,

but not this junk food.

This is junk food for the brain, and it has no nutritional value.

None.

I mean, and you might, as you point out, might occasionally catch something of value, but you're forced to watch all this other stuff.

Right.

And

once you start going down that, you find yourself 45 minutes later watching cat videos.

If you're lucky.

If you're lucky.

If it's not just like assaults

and people being burned alive.

And God only knows what you could end up on.

This is sort of separate.

from the conversation generally because I think it's such an inherent evil.

Not just TikTok, by the way.

I think a lot of this stuff is.

Read the the Jonathan Haidt book.

Read it.

Oh, yeah.

Read it to see

what's happening to your kids.

I can't encourage it enough.

If you have kids, read that book.

And you'll see.

And hopefully read it before your kids are already on these services because they'll hate your guts if you try to take it away from them once they're on it.

But if you get that ahead of time, you can try to prevent as much of the damage as possible.

You can't do it completely.

And I don't think there's a way to ban it completely.

I think we have to figure out a way to deal with it.

I think we're already seeing this is, first of all, we didn't get to the news yet.

Supreme Court has upheld the TikTok ban.

Yes.

So in theory, it's going away.

When this happened in India,

India banned it in 2020, TikTok, and TikTok just, they, on their own, turned it off and were like, we're going dark.

And so it's been dark since 2020 in India.

If India can do it.

Yeah, if India can do it.

And I think like here, that probably will happen, and there will be a massive revolt, and we'll we'll see what happens after that.

You know, I don't know what the end of that is, but think of the information they have, Glenn.

Oh, I know.

I mean, think of the, you know, like, let's say you have a messaging app or something, you know, some.

You have some level of private contact or information.

I mean, getting all this information, TikTok, they're very, very invasive with everything else you're doing, not necessarily just on the app itself, but other things you're doing.

They have that information.

The Chinese government is holding it.

What are they going to do with that eight years from now when you're the president of a company?

What are they going to do with that information, you know, 20 years from now when you're running for senate?

God only knows what is going to be the long-term echo of us handing over a generation of our citizens to the Chinese Communist Party.

Does this sound like a good idea to anyone?

It sounds like the same idea of, oh man,

iPhones are going to change your life for the better.

You're going to be freer.

You're going to have more time.

You're going to...

No.

But at least there was

a thought that that could be true.

There's no way this is going to be valuable to us.

No.

So from that perspective, I think it's horrible.

I want it to go away the worst way possible.

You know, there could be issues with this law, and the courts are going to have to drist it out.

But like the Supreme Court said today, they're upholding it.

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We are at the beginning of the end of this last era.

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You know, it might be

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So, you remember, Stu, about eight, nine years ago, I told you I had read a story about autism,

and

it was a theory of one guy who said, I think

the autistic may be ushering in a new kind of form of

people

because information is happening so fast and the autistic

are just, they're so different and they consume things differently and see things differently.

Okay.

And I thought it was an interesting theory,

but there is a podcast a friend turned me on to yesterday and I listened to like eight episodes.

I'm like driving around and it's like, shh, quiet, called the telepathy tapes.

Have you heard about this?

No.

There is something going on with the non-verbal autistic.

And the non-verbal

autistic are

they've always been thought of as

idiots and they're never going to think of anything, you know, and

they'll never talk and they're just idiots.

So imagine these guys, you know, for 20 years of their life being talked to like Stephen Hawking would have been talked to before he got a pad to write.

And

the parents started to see things happening in their kids that they couldn't explain, that they would say, they can read my mind.

and then teachers started to see these nonverbals as being able to mind read their mind

and they started doing

you know some non-scientific testing just parents because nobody believed them and so they started doing some non-scientific testing and they were like I'm telling you my kid can read my mind and he has knowledge and language that he never learned.

He knows history, history that he never learned, that I didn't even learn.

And they were expressing it through their tablets.

They could write and spell, but they were writing and spelling words that like some of the parents had to look up.

And

they wrote to this one doctor, and this one doctor started getting, because they were online and saying, look, I think there's more to

nonverbal autistic kids.

I think there's something going on.

And so people started all over the world, started writing writing in, going, I know this sounds crazy, but I think

this child of mine can read my mind.

And

this doctor started getting all these letters from all over the world, all saying the same thing about their children.

So they did a scientific study on it.

And this track, the telepathy tapes, it tracks these kids.

And

what they found is phenomenal.

And they take you through the, you know, the kid is sitting in the other room.

It's a random word generator, picture generator, number generator.

The mom is in the other room.

The kid's in this room.

And it generates.

And she just looks at it.

And the kid will say, it's a pig.

4,171,123.

95%

of the time.

And it's not just one kid.

It's kids all over the world.

Okay, and they don't understand that they're coming to the place of like, why would somebody talk?

You just communicate like this.

And

they know things.

And this is where it gets really interesting.

All these kids talked privately about going to the hill and playing with friends in their mind.

parents thought.

Well,

maybe not so much.

I'll continue the story in just a second.

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So I want to get into what we were talking about.

I was just getting into something called the telepathy tapes that I started listening to yesterday, and I'm already eight episodes down.

Wow.

I mean, it's a rabbit hole.

But they're very careful on laying everything out so you just don't roll your eyes.

And it goes to something bigger that Stu and I were just talking about on the air that today and Monday, I'm just not going to have the time to do justice to.

So would you write down telepathy tapes and

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She's currently writing down the words likable hippies.

I know.

I hate hippies.

I hate hippies.

But there are a few non-Marxist, authentic hippies that I think I might like.

In theory, it's in the hippies is not, I mean, it's, they wouldn't like the word.

No, they wouldn't like the word.

But I know what you're saying.

That's okay.

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I love the fact that

HBO, Netflix, everybody said, no, you're not talking enough about climate change, right?

Oh, yeah.

And look, it's been a surreal experience.

You know this well enough.

Hollywood has been entirely captured by awokeness.

And I think this is why they keep recycling the same garbage that nobody likes.

So I made this film in a very unconventional way.

I just spent six years just walking into these wildfires with a couple of cameras, and I embed it directly with the Hotshot crews to get their point of view.

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But in the film, we gloss over the climate change thing and say, look, we've had horrible fires for centuries.

And the worst ones were actually way back in 1871 during, you know, the optimal climate.

So obviously your SUV doesn't matter.

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So I just made a template, website, released it myself, and it's been entirely a grassroots effort.

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the film, it's actually become the number one rated firefighter film of all time.

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But it just shows you how self-destructive this woke epidemic is for Hollywood.

They're shooting themselves in the foot.

Like, how do you turn down a profitable film just because you're mad that it didn't sufficiently validate your dogmatic ideology?

It's crazy.

So, you know, it's yesterday, did you hear this, Stu?

Donald Trump said John Voigt,

Sylvester Stallone, and Mel Gibson are now special envoys for the president to try to fix Hollywood.

And I'm like, I don't know how you could fix Hollywood.

I think it's being fixed on its own because they're just, they're just, they're going to end in a giant ball of fire like California is.

you can't keep up this kind of uh policy that is uh completely unhooked from common sense and reality and expect to succeed in anything in any way

is a hundred percent right and frankly i think there is a massively underserved market of people oh yeah they don't even need they don't need right-wing movies to balance out the commie movies they just want good movies back just don't lecture me just give me 90s hollywood when we had jurassic park and saving private Ryan and all these good flicks with no agenda.

Like, that's what we were aiming to do, just to try to inform honestly and trust that our audience is smart enough to come up with their own conclusions and let them enjoy the picture on their own.

I think the rational wing of America is responding very positively to that.

And I think if more filmmakers go that route, they can have success outside of the system.

So one of the things that's in Hotshot, the movie that you've released online,

is the difference between California and Florida.

And Florida has very few forest fires.

It's hot there, too.

What's the difference?

Well, not only is it hot there, but all that rain just creates more fuels.

Florida is very flammable, but back in 19, in the late 1990s, they had a huge wildfire outbreak, destroyed a bunch of homes, destroyed the timber industry, and it cost them a fortune.

So they made a very rational conclusion.

How much did 500,000 acres of wildfire cost us, and how much would it cost us to proactively burn that with prescribed fire?

What they found out is that that one wildfire outbreak, they could have afforded to do 60 years of prescribed fire.

Oh, my God.

And so they just decided, okay, we're going to do that.

And every year, they proactively burn 2 million acres every single year.

In one year, Florida proactively burns more than California has burned in the last 50 years.

They need to burn between 4 to 11 million acres every year just to keep up with that growth that keeps coming out of the ground.

They're only doing like 36,000 a year.

And four years ago, five years ago now, Gavin Newsom stepped over burnt corpses on sacred tribal land to promise that he was going to burn a million acres a year.

He still hasn't come remotely close to doing it.

Everyone focuses on how the government let people down during the firefight.

I can tell you, once fire is on the ground with conditions like that, there's nothing you can do.

The real betrayal came in the last years and months when they refused to get rid of these fuels.

You know, it's just common sense.

And it also, fires renew the soil.

It makes

the new growth stronger.

It is so natural to do it.

And I don't understand why

the powers to be and the so-called

land scientists and everything else, how they don't understand that.

I'm an alcoholic DJ and I've known that my whole life.

Well, look.

In order to fix a problem, you have to first accept that you have agency over the problem.

And they refuse to do that, except in this like really convoluted Rube Goldberg climate change kind of way where they think if you just add more solar panels or buy more Teslas, that the weather will change and then the fires will stop.

But look, no amount of Teslas is going to make the weather less angry.

You just need to accept it and clear your brush.

What's double frustrating is these things aren't mutually exclusive.

You don't even have to abandon the climate change fantasy.

You just have to accept that none of the climate policies will do a darn thing for wildfires.

Not one, like ever.

But you can prevent tomorrow's wildfire right now.

And like you said, not only do the fires replenish the soil, look, the ecosystem out west is dependent on fire.

A lot of trees cannot even reproduce unless the pine cone burns to release and germinate the seed.

So to try to defy this natural process is insanity.

Let me ask you,

California, where are you from, Gabriel?

I was born and raised in Los Angeles, Palisades, actually, specifically.

Wow.

So I get this question all the time.

Do you think California is going to wake up and learn their lesson?

Do you think they learned their lesson?

I don't know.

Did they?

No, never.

Dan Bongino always asked this, like, is it bad enough yet?

It's not bad enough yet.

And, you know, I loved Adam Corolla's rant the other day, but nothing's going to change.

Like, if I thought they were capable of changing, I wouldn't have left the state for Tennessee.

But nothing changed after 85 people were killed in paradise.

Sean Penn lost his Malibu mansion to a fire in 1993, then rebuilt it, nearly lost it again in another fire in 2018.

And all he does is blame you for the car that you drive.

So, look, I don't think it's going to change because, like I said, you have to accept that you have agency over the problem.

If you keep putting it on climate, it's the most disempowering narrative you could possibly have because it creates this learned helplessness because nothing is going to change.

So, look, man, I don't know how you can expect anyone to make a real change if they refuse to accept the real world.

Let me play some of the

clips from the movie.

Clip 3 from Hot Shot cut number 6.

There are no bonus points for abs.

It's a different kind of fitness.

Justine doesn't have any illusions about the female's physicality.

She has to put in extra work to keep up with the fellas.

This is real life, not a gender studies class.

If you can't get up the hill, you die.

If you can't drive the buggy through the fire when it goes sideways, your whole crew dies.

You got to be durable.

And as a squad boss, she's overhead.

And she has to earn their trust and respect.

The only way to do that is to outwork them.

And what's more humbling than having a girl pass you on the hill?

I have to tell you, they had to have gone crazy on things like that.

But that's the truth.

They lost their mind over that one.

That actually may have doomed us more than the climate thing.

Look, I'm just, dude, it's just reality.

Like those of us who live in reality accept the simple truth that, look, if you're 120 pounds and your pack weighs 70 pounds, you got to work three times as hard as someone like me.

I weigh 230 pounds.

Right.

It's just reality.

And the thing is, I would think that framing it that way, saying that a gal has to work three times harder,

that honors their service.

But they look at it as like, oh, no, no, no, everyone can do the same thing.

So you're saying she has to work three times as hard, then that means you're demeaning women.

It's like, no, it's the opposite.

That's how upside down Woke Hollywood is.

It's like, we really need to, everyone in my industry needs to disabuse ourselves of all this like delicate political stuff because normal people watch that clip in particular and just go, yeah, yeah, that sounds right.

And that is the reality.

Where can you find it now?

Can I just

support us?

Go ahead.

Yeah,

we made a website called hotshotmovie.com.

You can support us directly there.

But

if it's more convenient, you don't mind giving Jeff Bezos a pound of flesh.

It's also on Amazon.

Google Play and booty leak.

Well, he's losing so much money with the Washington Post that maybe, I don't know, maybe you should throw him a bone.

I don't know.

I think I would go to hotshotmovie.com.

Thank you so much, Gabriel.

I appreciate it.

God bless.

Thank you so much.

You bet.

All right.

By the way,

beautiful movie.

I mean, it looks, I have not seen it yet, but I got to to watch this.

It looks incredible.

Yeah.

We're just, if you happen to be watching the blaze, you'll, you're, you're seeing California's Blaze.

It's not a half-assed effort.

This is like a legitimate, like, you don't have

to have people say it's better than backdraft.

Yeah.

Backdraft was stunning, stunning.

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You know, we were talking off air about

how many people have, how different this is from 2016,

and how many people are now for Donald Trump?

I mean, in 2016, I certainly wasn't saying the same things I'm saying now about him coming into office.

But I had

an honest change of heart that you witnessed.

He was doing all the things he said he would do, and I didn't believe he would do.

And I told you at the beginning,

I mean, I just got to be honest.

I'm only projecting what I think he might do,

and I don't think he's going to do any of those things.

He did.

Now I'm sitting here thinking, this guy has changed so much, even from 2020.

He's changed so much.

This guy could be,

and I hate to say this because it sounds so hyperbolic, but I think it's true.

If he does

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That's phenomenal.

But you're looking also at people now that are going to be up on the, you know, up on the stairs of the Capitol, like Bezos and Zuckerberg.

And I, you know, Bezos, the Pentagon is on, on Amazon servers.

Okay.

Everything is on Amazon servers.

And,

you know,

he's kind of got to play the game, I think.

But he's changing the Washington Post.

And maybe that's an honest change of heart because he's losing everybody at the Washington Post.

They're all just up in arms.

He should be cheering that developer.

They should.

They should.

Every time

another Jen Rubin walks out the door, he should throw an office party.

Yeah.

I don't know if you're ever going to be able to clean those places up.

I mean, you'd have to do what Elon Musk did to Twitter, just fire almost everybody.

Yeah.

It's going to be difficult.

But I mean, they can move in the right direction.

I think that's a positive thing.

And again, if it's just the I need to kiss Trump's butt because I'm afraid of him thing, that's okay.

I don't mind that.

I'd prefer an honest transition.

What I don't want is

you know bezos to be friendly with trump and then start asking him for stuff that he's been wanting all this time and it and it like i mean the tick tock ban is kind of interesting from that front i mean trump may have just had a change of heart and maybe just uh you know really did like the way it worked for him and that's kind of what he said like it's worked well for me and now i you know i want to keep it and don't want the ban but also he's got lots of donors that came in that were pro tick tock the tick tock ceos going to be at the inauguration like these guys all want something.

And Trump, I think, usually is just like, screw you.

If I don't want to do it, I'm not going to do it.

He's not going to.

I don't think.

I don't think so.

I've never seen that of him.

If he wants to do it, he'll do it.

If he doesn't want to do it,

but there are going to be pressures he's going to have to deal with on a day-to-day basis.

Yeah.

More in a minute.

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Hello, America.

Welcome to Friday and the Glenbeck Program.

Monday, we're going to be broadcasting from Washington for the inauguration.

Hopefully, we'll be just outside of the blast zone.

No, hopefully not.

I mean hopefully we are out of the blast zone, but hopefully there isn't a blast.

But anyway, we'll be there on Monday.

Today is the last broadcast of the full day of this administration, and we look forward to a new era, but it's going to be up to us.

And one of the things that has to happen is a full recognition of the truth,

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One of the things that I have been fascinated with and I've changed a lot in the 20 years is the JFK assassination.

I'm going to share something with a good friend of mine who just wrote a book that

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At least I don't think so.

The first assassination attempt of JFK.

Did you know there was another one?

I had no idea.

He's going to tell you that.

And then I want to bring up something I don't know if it's true or not, something that has just been released, some new audio.

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Brad Meltzer is with me.

He and his co-author Josh Mensch have just released a new book called The JFK Conspiracy: The Secret Plot to Kill Kennedy and Why It Failed.

Brad, as always.

It's good to see you.

Always good to see you, my friend.

So

let's start with, I mean, kind of where we are right now.

I talked to

Cash Patel eight months ago, and when he was at DNI, when he was the DNI, he said he saw some of the things.

He didn't tell me what it was.

He said,

but he saw the Kennedy stuff and elsewhere.

And he said, you know, if people see it, they would understand

why it has been kept quiet.

He said, I don't agree with it, but you would understand.

Do you think we're going to get the full disclosure this time?

We were promised it when Trump first took office.

Over and over.

I sit on the board of the National Archives Foundation, as you know.

And believe me, we all want it.

Everyone there wants it.

And I will say this.

I don't think, I actually don't think there's some smoking gun.

And here's why.

Because Jack Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald.

And the moment he did that, he took away the one eyewitness who actually was there and knew what happened.

So you can find all these other things, but it never answer the question, what is Lee Harvey Oswald doing in Russia at the height of the Cold War?

Who do we ask that to?

He's the guy going there and doing it.

And the fact that no, here's the other thing that I always rely on, deathbed confessions.

I'm obsessed with deathbed confessions.

If you look at Watergate and who Deep Throat was,

Bob War was going to take it to the grave.

The head of the Washington Post was going to take it to the grave.

And how do we find out who Deep Throat was?

Because Deep Throat got old and said, it's me.

It's me, Mark Felt.

I'm about to die, and I want the truth to be known.

And in all these years, since that day here in Dallas in 1963, nobody said a word.

And I don't believe that for one second.

There's someone who on their deathbed, and look at the math of where they are.

There's very few people that were alive, you know, were getting there.

So I'm hoping, but that's what I trust more than some

bureaucratic paperwork.

Aaron Powell, So let's talk about this new conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.

I had never heard of it before, and you explain in the book why, but first set it up.

This is before he takes office, right?

Yeah, this is three years before Lee Harvey Oswald obviously takes his famous shot.

And it is in Palm Beach, Florida.

It's a beautiful Sunday morning, right after JFK has been elected, almost right where we are right now in the presidency.

He's been elected.

He's waiting for inauguration, and he's going to church.

Sunday morning, JFK goes to church, and he has no idea that there is a disgruntled postal worker named Richard Pavlik who wants to kill him.

And he's packed his car with seven sticks of dynamite.

He's followed JFK, he tracked him to Massachusetts, he tracked him to Palm Beach, Florida, followed him to Florida because he believes that JFK's security is weakest there, which he's right about.

And as JFK leaves his house that morning for church, all this assassin has to do do is hit the little trigger device that he's built, and boom, will go the dynamite.

Would he be in the car?

He's in the car.

He writes the letter that says,

I'm not coming back from this.

And what saves JFK's life that day, I don't want to ruin the ending, although I think I just ruined chapter one of the JFK conspiracy.

That's chapter one.

But what saves his life that day has to do with Jackie.

I won't ruin it.

But it's one of the craziest JFK stories you've never heard in your life.

So why haven't we heard this?

That's the right question.

So here's why you don't know this story.

It was a huge story in Miami, in Florida, where it happened.

Miami Herald had a big front page article.

It's about to go nationwide.

It used to back then take an extra day to go from local to nationwide.

And on the day it's going nationwide, two airliners collide over New York City.

Everyone on board dies except for one child, the sole survivor.

Oh my God, that is.

And America becomes obsessed with this kid, right?

Is he going to live?

Is he going to die?

It knocks this JFK story off the front page, buries it into the middle of the newspaper.

It becomes a footnote to history until my friend Josh Mensch and I find it and we're like, America needs to know this story.

That's where the JFK conspiracy is going to be.

How did you find this story?

Because I'm crazy like you, right?

I mean, we, because we love, listen, your algorithm, I know, is like my algorithm.

It feeds us what we like.

And it knows.

So I usually find them in footnotes.

The best stories in history are in the footnotes.

You and I have talked at length about this.

And this one I found, a little mention of it, a tiny little blurb on it.

And I was like, and

my reaction is always the same.

Is this real?

And let's find out.

Those are the best journeys.

The best journey.

They're adventures.

That's how I see them.

And we were very lucky that there were some reporters who did a FOIA request for the documents on Richard Pavlik.

And what they found and what we got was hundreds of pages of the FBI's and the Secret Service's real-time files from 1960.

And we're going.

Who has, where are those?

How long did it take to find these?

Yeah, I mean, you know what?

The truth is, it's a one, I mean, for all the government, FOIA is an unbelievable thing.

And if no one, if I wouldn't know to look for them, but once they're out, now there's a record.

So once you get Richard Pavlik, once I find that story and I get his name, now I can find his arrest record.

Now I can find who the officer is.

Now I can find, oh, it was the service or the FBI arrested him.

And you suddenly play that game through time and you start pulling these layers, and it just reveals so much, of course, about about JFK and what's going on in 1960.

So why did he want to kill him?

Disgruntled postal worker.

Putting the word postal in postal worker.

Right.

And you kind of have an answer.

But here's the real answer.

The real answer is because he's Catholic of all things.

And it sounds almost silly now.

He's Catholic.

This is JFK.

Well, no, no, because I'm sorry.

I mean, because JFK's Catholic.

He wants to kill JFK.

No, you got that.

No, no, no.

Pavlik wants to kill JFK because JFK's Catholic.

And it sounds almost trite now.

And I know it's titillating for me to come on and say, hey, we found the secret plot to kill JFK that you've never heard.

But the reason you and I love history so much is that it's not just cool old stories, but it's that it tells us something about where we are right now.

And if you look at the 1960 election, it's JFK versus Richard Nixon.

The country is bitterly divided.

The closest election of the 20th century.

Whatever side you're on, you think the other side are complete and utter morons.

Does that sound familiar to you?

Right?

It's right we are now.

And it sounds almost silly now, but there were Protestant leaders back then who did not want a Catholic becoming president because they were worried.

Including great statesmen like Billy Graham.

Billy Graham, the Reverend Norman Vincent Peale, who wrote The Power of Positive Thinking, one of the greatest Vincent Peale.

He's the one who Billy Graham puts out in front of the public.

Wow.

And you see video of him saying, we can't have anyone who's Catholic.

Because what he wants, he's worries gonna be loyal to the Pope.

You're on the money.

And they're worried that when JFK takes office, he'll be loyal to the Pope and not these United States, and he can't be trusted.

And again, it sounds almost silly now, but back then, that's what they thought.

And here was the other big part.

The KKK, very separately, the Ku Klux Klan, of course, in the Civil War, is harassing the black community.

In the 1920s, there's a resurgence of the KKK.

And they realize that they can expand their dues and their membership by expanding that circle of hate.

And what they expand it to is they start hitting not just blacks, but they start hating Jews.

They start hating immigrants.

And they see JFK as an Irish Catholic immigrant, that his family came across on a boat and we can't have an immigrant reach that White House.

And when you put that venom, like what the, you know, saying you can't have a Catholic in the White House out there, people are listening.

And Richard Pavlik is listening, and he's like, you know what?

I'm going to do something good for America.

I'm going to make sure the Catholic never gets to the White House.

If I'm not mistaken, it was

the Catholics were instrumental in raising money for the Washington Monument.

I think that's right.

I think that is right.

I remember reading about that.

I used to do for one of our history channel shows we did something.

And I think that's why it took so long to finish, not only that, but also the Civil War, because people were like, that's a Catholic project.

Of course.

I mean, a great giant monument, the Catholic.

I mean, who knows?

But, you know,

we look at that as like, right now we all roll our eyes and say, why would they care about that?

But it just shows you what venom and hatred can do to our country.

And to me, you know,

I'm very much obsessed with looking at this from that perspective.

And in fact, one of the things I became obsessed with was Camelot itself.

And one of the things I learned, I love Jackie Kennedy.

Love her.

And Jackie Kennedy, we've reduced to a caricature.

We've said, oh, she's beautiful and she's got grace and she can decorate.

We don't do her a service there.

She was wicked smart.

Wicked is the right word.

Wicked smart, like Massachusetts herself.

And she basically, we don't pull our punches.

We document JFK's affairs.

Yeah.

We show you that after they get engaged, one of JFK's best friends comes to Jackie and says, you know,

Jack really loves women.

And basically says, to her face, he's going to keep sleeping around on you.

And when she's giving birth, she hemorrhages.

And they have to race her to the hospital.

JFK is nowhere to be found.

For like a week or two.

It's a long time.

He's on a boat.

He's on a plane to Florida.

You know what would happen to me?

Wait, wait, wait.

He was on a boat with a bunch of women.

Oh, that's when she has a stillborn.

That's when he's on a boat full of women for that one.

That's a stillborn.

There's two.

That's the second.

The first one, he's on a boat with a bunch of women.

She's having a stillborn, and they have to tell him, you should probably go back.

And he's like, you think?

And they're like, yeah, man.

You got to go back.

Your political career is finished.

She was done with a marriage on that one, right?

I mean, I think she was.

How could you not be, right?

How could you?

And

when she finally gives birth to John John, she hemorrhages because she's obviously had this previous pregnancy.

It was a disaster.

JFK's on a plane to Florida.

Do you know what would happen to me if I was on a plane to Florida while my wife was giving birth?

You and I would not be talking right now because I would be murdered.

Murdered.

Me too.

I had to start my CNN show three days, two days after my daughter was born.

And I almost lost my life because I wasn't

fully there

two days later.

Of course.

And what I kept saying when I'm reading all this is, why did they call this place Camelot?

How is it so great that it's Camelot?

And I was like, where does it start?

Is it year one Camelot, year two, Camelot?

Where does it go?

Hang on.

Don't give me the answer.

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All right.

Back with

cliffhangers together.

But I said to myself, where does Camelot come from?

Is it year one, two, three?

And I discovered this.

We don't start using the word Camelot until after JFK dies.

It's after his assassination that Jackie grants one interview to Life magazine, and she brings the reporter to her house.

He's there until after midnight, and she's working that interview back and forth with him.

And she tells him this exclusive story: that when JFK was in the White House and his back was hurting him and he was in pain, the way to relieve that pain, Jackie would put on his favorite record.

And for young people listening, a record is how we used to listen to music.

But she used to put on his favorite record, and record was a song about a place called Camelot from the famous play.

And it was Jackie who put that word into our lexicon.

We forget, Jackie was a reporter when she started, so she was a member of the press.

She was hounded by the press, but make no mistake, my friend, she was a master of the press.

So I almost won in auction a card that she had written right after the assassination.

It just said Jackie Kennedy,

and it had one line on it.

She gave it to her secretary,

and it just said, Camelot is no more.

Yep, that's the line.

I mean, and the thing that's amazing to me is what she's doing there very consciously is she's writing JFK's legacy so no one else can write it.

Right.

That's why we call it Camelot.

Jackie's amazing, as you said, wicked smart.

And I have just so much new respect for what she's trying to hold together as all this is happening.

And at the same time, you know, JFK is this really complicated.

You know, we've reduced him to a cliché.

He's Mayor Quimby now on The Simpsons, right?

He's the guy with the, you know, beautiful hair, and he's got the beautiful wife, and they got the beautiful life.

And he's a World War II amazing hero.

In World War II, and I didn't know this part.

I actually didn't know the PT-109 story.

He's on a PT-109 boat, Japanese destroyer.

Boat explodes.

Wood gets shattered everywhere.

It's a boat made of wood, of mahogany.

So it's parts of it float.

And his men, some die,

they have to swim to an island.

One guy's unconscious.

JFK says, you know what, put him on my back.

I'm the best swimmer.

Fashions on the floating pieces of wood, puts a piece of rope, holds the rope in his teeth.

as he swims to the island with this guy on his back.

When they get there, they're like, there's no water here after a day.

There's no drinkable water, no food.

I'm going to swim a couple more miles to see if there's another place where we can go.

Finds another island.

Swims back a couple miles.

No food.

Says, I found another place.

We've got to all go to this island.

We're going to die here if we don't.

They say, what about the unconscious guy?

Put him on my back again.

Holds the rope in his teeth.

Swims again.

When he's done, of course, saves this man's life.

Everyone's like, you're the hero.

You can leave World War II now, JFK.

His father, of course, is like, son, come home.

Let's get you out of here.

We're going to get you a career in politics.

You're going places.

And JFK says,

no, dad, fight's not done.

I need to keep fighting.

World War II is not done.

Goes back into World War II.

And I look at these stories and I'm like, JFK's this amazing World War II hero.

He takes us to the moon on the moonshot, unleashes hope in this world with his inaugural address.

So is he good or is he a reckless husband who's sleeping around his wife?

Is he bad?

Is he like the rest of us?

complicated?

Yes.

Right?

And that's the answer.

He's complicated.

And to me, what I love about history, I know what you love about history, is taking those bold-faced names and turning them back into human beings.

And what I love about the JFK conspiracy is you see their lives, you see their marriage, you see what's going on, and you see what JFK is really up to in those days right before he takes the White House.

How did Jackie

stand it?

You know,

I wish we could get in her head.

She's one of the most,

the person who you're going to love in this book is her Secret Service agent.

And he's this, and the guy named Clint Hill.

And Clint Hill is the one who gets assigned to protective detail.

And the Secret Service, a PPD, you know, presidential protective detail is the assignment you want.

You're guarding the president.

Right.

Get to the White House.

And he's like, I got it.

I made it.

I'm going to the White House.

It was the first lady.

And he gets there and they say, you're not signing the president.

You got the first lady.

He's like, oh my gosh, this sucks.

He's like, he thought he got a demotion.

He's like, I'm going to go guard tea parties.

This is the worst.

But he gets Jackie Kennedy.

And it's the start of an amazing part of of history.

All right, more with Brad Seltzer.

The name of the book, Brad Seltzer Meltzer.

Sorry, I was thinking about it.

Rhymes with Seltzer.

Brad Meltzer, he's written a book with Josh Mensch.

It's the JFK Conspiracy, The Secret Plot to Kill Kennedy, and Why It Failed.

More in a minute.

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All right, I want to play something that has just come out.

And honestly, we can't even figure where it came from.

We haven't been able to track this down.

So I don't know if this is true or not.

And, you know,

I really would hope that somebody in Silicon Valley is

working to build a system that everybody could have, or at least, you know, journalists and people that are in our situation, they could run something through and find out: is this a deep fake?

Is this real or not?

Run that and see an algorithm that shows you the percentage because this could be a complete deep fake.

We have no idea.

It also could be true.

It's a tape of Billy Saul Estes and Clifton Carter, who's from Dallas, discussing the

alleged involvement of

LBJ in hiring Mac Wallace to assassinate JFK.

I want to play it because we're with Brad Meltzer, and

he is way up on JFK and has been fascinated with this for ever since I've known you,

and has a new book, The JFK Conspiracy, The Secret Plot to Kill Kennedy.

Let me play this audio, and I'd love to get your thoughts on it.

Of course.

You're good to see you.

How's life treat me today?

Well, Sol, it's been a pretty touch and cool situation.

Lyndon and I have had quite a few unpleasant words here lately over the deal with Lydia who hired Mike Wallace to assassinate the president.

It's been

hectic in every way,

but

we've lived through it this far, and I guess we'll continue to do so.

Lyndon should have never issued that order

to Mike,

But we've had our differences and I'm true blue to Lyndon as I've always been and tried to carry out every order that he'd ever given me.

But this is one I'll probably never be able to forget.

And the times that we've had

in Texas

and

the embarrassment that Lyndon

had gotten from Kennedy, I guess there wasn't anything else to do but what he did.

Well, you know, Linden could have really helped me if he would.

Well, Lyndon's kind of person that doesn't want to help anyone.

He's,

you know, he's all for Linden, and that's the way he's pretty much always been.

Well, they had me backed up on that Henry Marshall.

killing and they just kind of blackmailed me to keep my mouth shut.

And if I hadn't had a bunch of tapes that I'd played after he got got killed.

Because, you know, 17 got killed

in this situation very mysteriously.

And I've done a lot of time and I've lost a lot of money and hurt my family a whole lot.

And it's

really got me just disgusted

with Lyndon in one way.

In one way, I feel real

sorry for him.

If that's real,

that changes history.

It shows that there was a cover-up not only of Lyndon B.

Johnson trying to hire somebody to assassinate Kennedy,

but also that there were other situations that he helped cover up where other people were losing their lives.

Brad?

So, needless to say, the moment this tape came out, I was like, well, I luckily,

my wife said at one point, when did you become Forrest Gump?

Because

I happen to know Clifton Carter's daughter.

She's a dear, dear friend of mine.

And he's the one who said, I've disagreed with him and I'm going to take this one and have a hard time.

And I'm true blue for him, yes.

And I called her immediately.

The moment this tape came out, I said, what do you think?

And she was obviously shocked by it.

You wake up one morning and there's a thing that's linking your dad to Kennedy.

I mean, we were like, and I said to her, what do you think?

And this is privately, not on the air.

She has nothing to prove.

And she said, I'm honest with you.

She's like, I obviously, she's like, it doesn't sound like my daddy.

She calls him daddy.

And again,

we live in this world.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

How did she mean that?

It doesn't, because I can say.

Like, it doesn't sound like his voice.

No, no, not none content.

No, his voice.

It doesn't sound like how he speaks.

Like, it doesn't sound like his, yeah, the content, of course, she was flabbergasted by.

But she said, it just, I said, is it real?

And she's trying to figure out, of course, the same thing we all are.

And she just said, it just doesn't sound like his voice.

It doesn't sound like it.

How long ago did he die?

I forget.

Now, of course, I'm going to find the, you know, the first call.

I'm going to make a five years?

No, no, it's a while back.

But she was an adult, but she was an adult when he died, I think, I believe, because he lived a long time.

And again, listen, all of us have messed up versions.

My parents are both dead.

If you play tapes for me, there may be things where I say, that's not my mom, but of course it's my mom.

My dad sounded like a mobster.

He was like, how you doing?

How you doing?

How you doing?

So you play

Joe Pescian, I'll say it's my dad.

But the thing that just bothers me so much about where we are, Glenn, is that it's so easy to make something fake now.

I don't know what to believe.

And that's as honest as I can be.

Like, I always want to believe, but I'm like, show me the proof, show me

where this lines up and what the motivations are.

And the motivations just aren't there also for Clifton Carter either.

He's a guy in power.

LBJ's coming in.

And here's where it's...

Where's Mac Wallace coming?

I don't know Mac Wallace.

But here's what I take from it.

And this is always how I feel about when it comes to JFK.

If you want to know who killed JFK, because how are we talking this long and not talking about it, right?

If you want to know who killed JFK in the 60s, when JFK gets shot, who do we think did it?

It's to hide the Cold War.

We think it's our great enemies at the time.

The Soviet Union did it.

The Cubans did it.

If you look in the 70s, when Watergate happens, who killed Kennedy when

CIA, inside job.

Now we don't trust the government anymore.

CIA did it, LBJ did it.

It was an inside job.

If you look in the 80s, the Godfather's movies peak.

Who killed JFK?

Mob.

It was the mob.

So if you want to know who killed JFK, it's decade by decade, whoever America's most afraid of at that moment in time.

And, you know, last week, when JFK Conspiracy came out, someone said, what?

I think he was killed for UFOs.

Of course, that's the popular one now, because UFOs and drones are the big thing now.

And the reason I say that is JFK

and Jackie have always been a mirror of America.

All conspiracies are mirrors of America.

They show us our fears and what we worry about.

This is so amazing.

I have a podcast today.

That's exactly what we're talking about.

I mean, and it's my firm belief.

It's a conspiracy, whether that's true or not, really doesn't matter.

It's what does it tell us about us?

Beautiful.

That's exactly right.

You're exactly right.

And to me, JFK and Jackie are the first celebrity presidents and first lady.

And I'm not talking about famous.

You know that Abraham Lincoln's famous.

Every president's famous.

But that Hollywood, they got it all, and there's money, and there's homes, and there's beauty.

And we've been chasing.

We've been chasing Camelot since they left.

And some people say that's what Reagan was.

Some people say it's what the Obamas were.

For some.

For some, of course, it's Trump.

But to me, it's all a hollow pursuit because

Camelot never existed.

It wasn't real.

And we've been chasing that forever, trying to find ourselves in this image, right?

And the thing we should be chasing is not fame or money or celebrity.

It's all nonsense.

The thing, that one thing that JFK did better than anyone, though, is he unleashed hope.

That in that inaugural address, it's one of the greatest ever written, you know, beside maybe Abraham Lincoln himself, but he, whatever the country is bitterly divided, and he said, let's come together.

And he unleashed that belief, whether we're there or not.

That hope is there.

I'm dying to know what it's going to be on

his speech.

Of course.

On Monday.

But he also

he and Trump have some things in common with ruffling all of the establishment feathers.

Yeah.

And saying, you know, I think I'm going to shut down the CIA.

Let's nukes our insanity.

I mean,

he didn't make a lot of friends.

And I don't trust the intelligence community anymore.

They haven't done anything to earn my trust

in a very long time.

And, you know, Trump, look at Secret Service.

Yeah, let's talk about that.

I mean, so, you know, I went to the Secret Service when I was researching and wanted to know about presidential assassins, right?

I got to know about that.

And they told me, and this I do believe, I talked to these guys, and there are some amazing people, as you know, there are some amazing people in the service and any law enforcement.

And they said to me that presidential assassins divide into two categories.

There's hunters and there are howlers.

And a howler makes a lot of noise, says, I hate you, I'm coming to kill you, president, you know, makes all the noise.

But they rarely take action.

They're more bark than bite.

Hunters are very different.

A hunter rarely says a word, but the hunters are the ones who pull the trigger.

And if you look at the four men who have successfully killed the president of the United States, from Abraham Lincoln to JFK, all four of them are hunters.

And Richard Pavlik, in our book, The JFK Conspiracy, he thinks he's a hunter, but he's got a little bit of Howler in him.

And I won't ruin it again, but you'll see why he gets caught in the twist that happens.

And I believe, you know, of course, as I'm writing this book, is when two different men try to attack Trump.

And I look at that and I know, I really do believe, sadly, whoever won, whether it was Trump or Kamala, whoever won, there were going to be more attempts.

That is when the country is bitterly divided is when these things happen so often.

The Civil War is happening.

Abraham Lincoln, people are taking their shot multiple times.

Abraham Lincoln also has the same kind of record of safety that Donald Trump might have this time.

I mean, they tried to kill him before he he took office.

I wrote a whole book.

The Lincoln Conspiracy is literally about that thing.

They try to kill him before he gets there.

Right.

And they try and kill him, of course, when he is there.

You look at JFK.

They try and kill him in the beginning.

Divided country right down the middle.

Bitter close election.

Try to kill him before.

They try and kill him.

Obviously, they do kill him.

JFK in 1963.

Yeah, those two both

have this same pattern, and they both died in the future.

And now you hear we are in 2025, and you're telling telling me that it's not potentially going to happen.

I mean, I think it's just a question of when.

And the whole thing is,

and it's so sad to say, but I think we just have to, you know, again, we're going to see another attempt.

And that's just the reality we live in when the country is bitterly divided.

And I hope we can get to something that brings us closer together.

So my security, I have two bamboos on my team that were protection for one of the biggest people in the world.

You could go anywhere in the world and you would know them.

And they're not a celebrity

and they work for me and they're very well connected.

They, you know, they're really good at what they do.

And I was driving in today and I said, so what are you thinking about inauguration day?

Because we're going to be there.

And I said, what do you, what do you think the odds are of some sort of an attack?

He calmly just looked at me and said, 50-50.

I was like, what?

You know that I was called by the Department of Homeland Security years ago to come in and brainstorm different ways terrorists could attack the United States.

When they called me, I was like, if you're calling me, we have bigger problems than anybody thinks, right?

I mean, they're calling a guy who writes history and fiction and thrillers.

But I was obviously honored to go in there and work with the government back then.

It was right after 9-11.

And the thing that struck me more than anything else was that.

Oh, that's 50-50.

I'm like, wait, wait, 50-50.

Like, what are you talking about?

And the thing that's so hard, you know, DNI, after 9-11, when it first got established, would make a list of the greatest threats that are affecting the United States right now.

They do it every year.

You can look up this year's two.

And it used to be things like Russia or China or big countries that had military force and they had all these other things.

And after 9-11, guess what it was?

It changed.

It was a small group of people or an individual who's committed to their cause.

And when that happened,

All of law enforcement's like, oh, crap, what do we do now?

Right?

Because now we're trying to plot against one person on one day doing whatever crazy plot they're going to come up with.

That's what Richard Pavlik did in the JFK conspiracy.

He's just a guy who's buying seven sticks of dynamite, right?

He goes to buy the dynamite.

Now, because of Oklahoma City, we don't let you buy dynamite and then walk around.

They say to him back then, he comes in, buys one stick, and next day he comes back and buys another.

Third day, they're like,

why do you need so much dynamite?

And he says, well, I got to take down some tree stumps, which is how you can take down, of course, you take down tree stumps.

And they're like, okay.

But again, you know how much stuff is still out there now that anyone can do and turn into a dirty bomb or turn into something that makes something explode, shrapnel everywhere.

And I've been to the, I've walked the inaugural pathway.

It's, it's open to the public.

It's wide open.

There's millions of people.

He should be telling if he gets out.

You know, they tried to stop him from getting out in 16 of the car.

Oh, of course.

And he said, we are getting out.

JFK, JFK gets out of his plane and they're like, don't go to the crowd.

He goes to the crowd.

He's going to go to the crowd.

Brad Meltzer, the name of the book is The JFK Conspiracy, The Secret Plot to Kill Kennedy and Why It Failed.

Brad Meltzer, The JFK Conspiracy.

Always good to have you here, my friend.

Love seeing you.

Always good.

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Monday at 11 Eastern Time, live from the heart of the nation's capital, we are going to start

America's coverage of the Golden Age.

It begins on Monday with Donald J.

Trump's second inauguration.

Stu and I are going to be right there, right at the foot of the Lincoln Memorial.

I mean, we're going to be right there.

You'll see the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington Memorial and the Capitol.

And we'll be covering

the president's inaugural address and all of the pomp and ceremony.

And it begins at 11 o'clock on this radio broadcast and then continues throughout the afternoon on Blaze TV.

So don't miss it.

You excited?

I am excited.

I wouldn't have said, I don't know.

I'm just not a big pomp guy.

Circumstance I'm into.

Not as much pomp.

Right.

But pomp is the best part.

I don't even know what part pomp is, but I think it's the best part.

It comes first.

But I am kind of interested to, I mean, it's going to be history and hopefully history that leads to something really, really positive, which I'm optimistic over.

So, I don't know.

We're not in this place that often, I feel like, in America these days.

So, it's good to be.

It's a good place to be.

And I'm really anxious to hear his speech

to see, because I think it's going to be a very positive, uplifting speech.

It's going to be, I think it's going to be clear, you know, know, on, and we're not dealing with this anymore, but I think it's going to be very uplifting and hopefully very uniting.

We'll find out together Monday.

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