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Hello, America, from America Fest in Phoenix, Arizona, today.

We've got quite the program for you, and Liz Wheeler is joining us in just a second.

We've got to cover a few things for sure, and that is the collapse of Fannie Willis.

That's over.

The story of who's running the country.

We actually have some insight on that today.

It's what a surprise, not President Biden.

Also,

gee, where did I put all of those troops, says the Pentagon.

The Pentagon says, oh, we miscounted.

We have more in Syria than we thought we did.

Oh, okay, I don't mind misplacing money and

people.

and what some are calling the collapse of the Republican unity.

It's not.

It's a small bump in the road that I am really happy is happening right now before the term begins.

I'll explain with Liz in 60 seconds.

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Well, hello, Liz.

How are you?

I'm good.

I can hear the commotion behind you at AmFest.

I got to tell you,

the energy is coming all the way to Dallas.

I love that sort of thing.

I'm like flag wave and patriotic.

Let's get the energy.

Let's get the energy up.

I'll tell you, AmericaFest

and Charlie Kirk has done such an amazing thing with Turning Point USA.

But this is the new CPAC.

I mean, CPAC has been left in the dust, and this is it.

I mean, I was walking the halls yesterday before it really even had anybody in here.

And you're seeing

all of the power players here.

I don't know if Elon Musk is just going to, because he's living at Mar-Lago, I think, so he might just, let me get on the plane with you and come.

But Donald Trump is going to be here.

I'm speaking.

I'm the keynote speaker today.

Donald Trump is the keynote speaker tomorrow.

And a lot to talk about.

Sorry.

No, I'm tomorrow, and he is on Sunday.

Sorry.

Lost track of time.

I want to talk about the collapse of the unity.

Can you give this story?

to me, Liz, without, with just the details of everybody's arguing and hating on each other.

Yes, it is, of course.

If you listen to the mainstream media, it's a circular firing squad between Chip Roy, Donald Trump, and Elon Musk.

I don't view it that way at all.

I think that I actually like to see this kind of contention within the Republican ranks because how lucky are we that two months ago we were debating good versus evil and now we're debating good versus better.

This is a wonderful thing.

It also shows you that the Doge process is working.

Elon Musk said, listen, go ahead.

So before we get there, explain what happened.

Because I was on a plane yesterday, so I didn't see the bill that was presented.

And I get off the plane and everybody's hating on each other.

And I'm like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, what just happened?

Mike Johnson proposed his bill on Wednesday, and that went to hell in a handbasket.

Thank God we got rid of that.

That would have been a nightmare.

Then they proposed a second bill, and it increased the debt ceiling, which has to be done by June or July of this year, increased it by $5 trillion.

And all of the conservatives, and quite frankly, conservatives like me, and I think you, that have been for

stop raising the debt ceiling, let's get out of debt.

We started having this debate about the debt.

The debt ceiling

has got to go up, unfortunately.

At this time, well, let me finish

what actually happened first before we get into that.

So people like Chip Roy stood up and Donald Trump had endorsed this.

They say it was a clear CR, but if I'm not mistaken, wasn't there some other stuff in there like protection for the January Sixers?

Was that left in or was that taken out?

Do you know, Jill?

It was mostly clean.

The objectionable parts that you raised your voices against in the past couple of days were removed.

The reauthorization of the Global Engagement Center, the vaccine passports, that kind of garbage was taken out.

It did increase the debt ceiling.

Technically, I think it was an extension of the already increased.

It was automatic increases.

And I understand in principle, most of us don't want to increase the debt ceiling.

However, however, it became an argument last night about that specifically, which distracts from what I think the bigger picture is.

The bigger picture being for a long time in Washington, D.C., in Congress, the people who have said they are fiscally conservative haven't been effective in making that happen and making cuts.

So what Donald Trump did is he hired what he considered to be the most brilliant man in our country to say, retool this process and do it better.

Elon Musk came in with Doge and said, what we're going to do is be transparent with you.

We're going to tell you exactly what your tax money is being spent on, and then we're going to leave it to you to lobby your congressional members to cut that.

And Glenn, that's exactly what happened this time.

We looked at that 1,500-page bill that Speaker Johnson had put forward.

We identified five or six egregious things in that bill, said no, and effectively we were victorious.

We got that bill killed, which is,

I think, very exciting.

And then we have this clean version,

And then that's when the drummer started.

Yeah, and that's when the drummer started.

Because

there are, and I'm one of them, that have been so tired of, oh, we're going to raise the debt, but then we're going to cut.

I don't believe anybody in Washington.

However,

I do believe Donald Trump.

I do believe Elon Musk.

I do believe Vivek Ramaswamy.

I do believe just for survival reasons alone, Donald Trump has got to take a hatchet to the size of this government.

Okay, so there's just, let's just look at it from, I will be killed or I will be thwarted by this giant government, and I've got to reduce the size so it doesn't have octopus arms everywhere trying to choke me out.

So I believe that he wants to cut the size of government, and I believe he has a plan to do it.

I believe that Elon Musk is a guy.

I mean, Donald Trump got famous for saying, you're fired.

Elon Musk is famous for actually firing people

and cutting all of the

non-essential.

So those two together have reasons.

One is, hey, this just needs to run like a sound operation.

And the other one is that plus, oh, and it's trying to kill me.

So I believe they're incentivized unlike anyone else in my lifetime to cut the size of the the government.

Donald Trump, to me, and I love Chip Roy.

I love him.

I hope he replaces John Cornyn.

I love him.

However,

at this point,

I believe Donald Trump should be given the benefit of the doubt for this reason.

He's got to do, if he wants to fix America and make it truly great, he can't do what the Democrats have done, and that is just start spending money like crazy and pushing money out the door.

He's got to return the money to you.

So he has to have these tax cuts and he has to have them right now.

When he walks through the door, he has to have them.

So you're going to have this period where you're flipping the entire company of the United States government upside down.

You're in a transition period.

And so we're going to need to spend more

as we cut more.

But you can't, you cannot shut off the debt.

We're a trillion dollars every 100, I'm sorry, not a trillion,

yeah, a trillion dollars every 100 days.

A trillion every 100 days.

We're a trillion dollars a year just in interest now.

You can't, 5 trillion is not a lot when you're playing with these numbers.

It's obscene to even say that.

We have to cut trillions out.

But Donald Trump, to be able to pull this off, he has got to make people's lives better quickly.

And the two ways to do it is first return money to the people and then to make it actually last, cut all of the regulation and all of the size of the government.

That one,

we don't want to be fighting two battles.

We want to fight one battle.

And in my opinion, Donald Trump has shown me he's he's willing to take a bullet for the Constitution and the United States and for us.

I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, coupled with Elon Musk, because I believe their intentions are aligned with my intentions and desires.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, I think that's right.

I think, like I said, it's a funny situation because they're both right.

Chip Roy is correct in principle that we should cut spending.

And Donald Trump and Elon Musk are correct in practice.

And so it's timing.

It's just timing.

It is timing.

They're actually both going to achieve or they hope to achieve the same thing.

I concur with your analysis.

I have hope that Donald Trump is, I mean, he's a changed man.

We've all seen this since he took a bullet to the ear.

He is viewing the world differently.

He's viewing his own life differently.

He's viewing his duty to us differently.

He's viewing his stewardship of our country differently.

He is doing something groundbreaking.

He is upending, disrupting the process in Congress that has been business as usual.

And it can be messy.

And maybe not everyone in Congress, even if they are principally correct, has quite grasped that, oh, this is the new way that we're going to do things.

I think Donald Trump has this right.

Yeah, I do too.

And I think that the Republicans, the fiscally responsible Republicans, and it could turn out that you're right and I'm wrong, But I really truly believe disruption is where we're going.

And

this did disrupt.

And if we don't all stand together, they will disrupt us.

And I am not one to believe that the spending is going to magically go down.

I don't believe that.

But if you were a family and you were a business and you were running debt and you just didn't want, you didn't know what to do.

How do I stop the hemorrhaging?

who would who in the world would be the best advisor that you could get who in the world could you say i need somebody to look at all these finances figure out what's what and how to cut and how to make my business stronger i can't imagine anyone better than elon musk

so Let's listen to Elon and Donald Trump.

And by the way, if anybody thinks that Elon is taking over, did you read how the tweets came out?

He went to Donald Trump.

Trump and the vice president were working together on a statement, and Elon came in and said, hey, I want to release this.

Is it okay if I release this?

And Donald Trump read it and said, yeah, go for it.

That's where we are.

Go for it.

So Elon's not leading the president.

Believe me, the president has a plan.

Let's give him all the opportunities we can to let him execute it.

Because we've all come up with other plans and none of them have worked.

This one has some of the best minds in the world on it.

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Liz Wheeler is filling in for Stu, and it's been a pleasure to really get to know you, Liz.

I mean, we talk off-air and stuff when you're in town, but you know, when you're in the trenches with somebody, you get to really know them, and it's been a pleasure to work with you.

It really has.

Oh, thank you.

At the risk of sounding trite, I'm just sitting here in awe every day watching you do your craft.

Furiously, when you see me typing on the laptop, it's me taking notes.

Do what Glenn is doing.

That is so funny.

Well, that's kind of you.

Thank you.

All right.

So I think, do you have anything left to say on that?

We have our guy in Washington, the Blaze,

Washington, D.C.

correspondent.

He is absolutely great.

And he has boiled down in a story on Blaze, theblaze.com, that really lays this out.

He's going to be joining us in about an hour.

Anything else left to sweep up on this that you feel you haven't said yet, Liz?

I have one spicy take.

One spicy take on the debt ceiling.

All right.

The debt has been increased by at least $31 trillion since we instituted the debt ceiling limit, which means it doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

I'm a fiscal conservative, probably more so even maybe than Donald Trump.

I know that's a big claim.

But the debt ceiling itself is a mechanism that's just ineffective.

So let's have that

argument at a different time.

Because you know what the debt ceiling limit is?

A pat on all of our heads.

A pat on every single voter's head going, yes, we agree that that limit shouldn't be expanded.

We're going to keep it down.

We're working for you.

Now go, scurry off to bed.

Do your things.

And they don't mean it.

There's very few people.

That is the one thing I liked.

The number of people that stood up against this in the Republican Party was shocking to me.

It was great that we're starting to see some spines grow.

I just think it's the wrong time.

We're just

amiss on our timing, I think.

It's just the wrong process.

It's the same goal.

We're on the same page.

Yeah, everything is changing, though.

Absolutely, everything is changing.

All right, so what else is in the news here?

Oh, we've got to tell you about the

Joe Biden story from the Wall Street Journal.

Who's actually running the White House?

Well, it ain't Kamala and it ain't Joe Biden.

The Wall Street Journal has been talking to

all of these insiders.

I think they said they had 80 insiders or 50 insiders that they spoke to.

And

Joe Biden's not running things.

It's all the advisors to the president that are actually running things.

Who is Jake Sullivan to step in front of a cabinet and say, this is what you need to do?

How dare you speak for anyone

that is elected?

I mean, you can translate and tell people what they're saying, but you have,

you are not you were not elected by the American people and he's one of the guys making the decisions.

It's obscene.

Absolutely obscene.

One of the other things that kind of an offshoot of the Jake Sullivan thing is we said that we only had 900 troops in Syria.

That's all that is is just an easy you know fish bowl or a barrel of fish that makes every American

soldier just sitting in in a barrel waiting to be shot.

We don't have 900.

Apparently, there was a little clerical error.

They actually have 2,000 soldiers in Syria.

If the Pentagon doesn't know where the soldiers are, every single one of them,

that's a real problem with the Pentagon.

If you think you only have 900 and you have 2,000, who the hell is running this thing?

I know you can't keep track of money, but can you not keep track of America's sons and daughters?

I mean,

the Pentagon, it is so important.

Doge becomes even more important when you hear that story.

Who's running it?

You can't balance a budget.

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25 times you've had an audit and you fail every single time.

I run a charity.

I fail one audit and I'm in trouble.

You don't fail audits not 25 times and then start to misplace people too.

But it is people like Jake Sullivan that have been making all of the calls.

And let me tell you something, Jake and everyone else, this is why you lost the election.

You lost the election because we all knew Joe Biden wasn't running things.

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Welcome to the Glenbeck program.

And this is the last time I'll be able to wish you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

This is the last broadcast of the Glenbeck program until the new year.

And I'll be back, I think, January.

Oh, goodness.

I'll be back January 6th.

That should be a non-new.

Nothing like getting back to work and having a slow day.

So we'll see you on January 6th.

I want to talk about a couple of things that have been in the news this week that we haven't had a chance to really focus on.

And the first one is Fonnie Willis.

Foni has been

kicked off the case with Donald Trump for

what was it, conflicting interest?

No, that's not what they say.

What was it, Liz?

She was kicked off for

this is what Trump's attorney said, because it is a conflict of interest.

She was having an affair with the prosecutor that she appointed to go after Trump.

Just a smidge of a conflict of interest.

Kind of a conflict of interest.

Kind of, a little one.

You know, just a smidge of an ethical grazing.

I barely even noticed.

This is what Trump's attorney, Steve Sadow, said.

He said, as the court rightfully noted, only the remedy of disqualification will suffice to restore public confidence.

Yep.

That's correct.

Yeah, it's absolutely correct.

By the way, people of Georgia should fire her.

I mean, in my opinion, she absolutely perjured herself and is just not

somebody that I would want and feel comfortable, even if I agreed with her.

I wouldn't feel comfortable that she would apply justice equally.

to every man, including me.

So that looks, you don't think they're going to bring it up and assign somebody else to the case and keep doing this, do you?

That's over, right?

I don't think they can because they lost public trust.

Not that that should be an indicator of whether justice is served or not.

That actually shows you that it was a kangaroo court because they're just monitoring public opinion.

Do people think we're okay?

Can we push it a little further?

But I don't think that they can.

I mean, especially given the fact that other cases against Trump brought by the special counsel have been dismissed and dropped because he's going to be the sitting president.

I actually would like to take a moment and thank Fonnie Willis because as corrupt as she was, she was the biggest gift that had been given to the Trump campaign.

All of these were.

Imagine if she had been like a buttoned-up, smart, competent, ethical person.

It would have been...

I mean, Trump didn't have to do anything.

He just had to sit back

and let her do her thing.

And they all were like that.

You know, one thing I have really learned, I learned this during my alcoholic years.

I'm sorry, it is so noisy here.

I'm at Amfest.

The doors aren't even open yet.

And there's just

a crazy sound everywhere.

Anyway,

when I was an alcoholic, the thing that I had to do was surrender.

I had to surrender my will and stop trying to force my will, thinking I know better than God.

Well, I'm still learning that over and over again.

For instance, in 2020, I was convinced we were doomed.

We're doomed.

You know, and we've got to, we've got to do everything we can.

That part was true.

What the Democrats failed to learn is what I learned in 2020.

Sometimes failure isn't bad.

In fact, it's usually not bad if you learn the lesson.

And the lesson I learned in that failure was, oh my gosh, God is not neutral.

That happened for a reason.

And And now he's coming back stronger, more informed, ready to fight another four years, where it just would have been more of the same for the last four years.

America changed and put us in this position to actually have transformative change coming our way right now.

Stop forcing your will.

When you just say, you know what?

I'm not smarter than God.

I'm not smarter than the American people.

I trust the American people.

It will work out in the end.

And they just won't learn that.

They tried everything they could by hook or by crook to convince the American people that he was a fascistic, racist monster who should be in jail.

And the more they pushed that lie, the more people on their side went, I don't, this is ridiculous.

They were the biggest gift to the Republican Party, the Democrats and the strategists.

Isn't that one of the things about Trump, though, is that he actually does

surrender himself?

I mean, in the case of Fonnie Willis, quite literally, that mugshot was probably his biggest in-kind campaign donation that we've ever seen.

But Trump does surrender himself and trust the American people whom he represents in a way that I've not seen any other politician do.

He listens and is humble enough to change his mind.

Ronald Reagan was the closest to that, but I think the,

you know, Ronald Reagan said everybody has their time.

And he said, I haven't changed since the 1960s, but it wasn't my time.

And then all of a sudden,

time catches up with you and you lock into a slot.

And how much time that lasts, you know, you don't know.

That's one of the problems with the media is they might lock in and they'll get their fame and fortune.

And then their time stops, but they force their will and they start compromising and selling themselves.

And it doesn't get any better.

Look at the mainstream media.

Their time is up,

but they're doing everything they can and they've become prostitutes, complete and total whores

because they won't accept it.

Ronald Reagan accepted it, but it was his time.

I think the people kind of caught up to him.

Donald Trump trusts two things.

His gut, which I have to tell you is one of the best guts I've ever seen.

And the second is the American people.

He knows.

He just knows they get it.

And if they don't, they will, which is powerful.

Think about his most powerful moments from this year.

Think about when, I mean, think about when who didn't get that thrill of excitement seeing Donald Trump working at McDonald's?

It didn't feel inauthentic the way that politicians kissing babies sometimes does.

It felt like him saying, no, I'm a billionaire.

I don't actually work at McDonald's.

I'm not pretending that I was raised in a middle-class household like Kamala pretended.

But he's saying, I see you.

I feel what you're going through.

And I'm here to be your champion because I get it.

And you know why that was so authentic?

Two reasons.

He likes people.

Yeah.

Okay.

He likes, he likes the American people.

He likes, I think he probably likes, you know, the average person that works at McDonald's more than he likes some of the rich fat cats that hang out in Mar-Lago.

You know what what I mean?

Honestly, I really think so.

He likes people.

That is very unusual for a politician.

He likes people.

Then he's also a McDonald's eater.

He loves McDonald's.

And he enjoyed his time, you know, figuring out the fry later.

Ah, I got to finally make the fries that I love so much, you know?

So it was all genuine, even though he was a billionaire.

working a hourly job.

Well, he's intellectually curious.

He was interested in the process that went into something that he liked, which is probably why he was such a successful or is such a successful businessman and architect and builder because he cares about those details.

Did you see that video of him?

I think it was from last week where he was so involved in the design of his set that he had them put a table, put water on the table, put the doily under the water, then take it away.

And he was, he genuinely cared about what the setup looked like.

Did not

be lovely.

I watched it like three times.

He is such a freak about that.

I did not know that.

I know he was a freak on just about everything, but he's obviously, I know he's a television guy.

I mean, he gave a speech.

I was in the audience.

I don't even remember when this was.

He gave a speech and I was in the audience.

And so was Mark Burnett.

And it was like part of that speech, he was just talking to me and Mark about how television works.

And I was like, this is, you know, there are other people here.

Because he kept looking at me and saying, right, Glenn?

I mean, that's the way, right, Mark?

That's the way.

And I realized this guy

doesn't just go on a television show.

This is the difference between stars and

genuine

phenomenas.

Phenoms come from somebody who comes in and doesn't want to be a star, is excited by the process, has something to say, knows their own self, and then explores.

And the American people have always traditionally liked explorers, even if it's just somebody exploring this job and exploring this new thing that I've never done before, but I want to learn everything about it.

That's what he has.

And if you have that curiosity and the soul of an explorer in everything you do from building a building or working the friolator at McDonald's, you are going to be a phenom.

I'm convinced of it.

Yeah, plus I think when we see a politician who's also a celebrity, and this is certainly true for me, I always want to know what they're like as a quote-unquote real person.

How do you interact with your wife?

What are you like with your children?

Are you a present part of your grandchildren's life?

How do you treat your employees?

And we hear all these gossipy stories out of Washington, D.C.

about Kamala Harris's staff, this huge turnover, being annoyed because she's rude to them, always glued to her phone, never present, takes 50 people to get a hold of her.

And then you see the way that Donald Trump talked to the production assistants in that video.

He wasn't barking at them, he wasn't dehumanizing them.

He was being respectful of their craft and taking part in it.

And I think that is such a public measure of someone's character, how they talk to people who are in much lower subordinate positions.

I told my daughter when she walked off stage this week, I said, go and thank all of the stage hands when they're not busy.

Thank them.

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Care about them.

And to go back to Donald Trump, when I was at Mar-a-Lago, first time doing an interview with him there,

after it was over, he said, what are you doing for dinner?

And I thought he was talking to me, and it was uncomfortable because everybody else was in the room that was with me.

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So,

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about what Chris Bedford wrote.

He is the Blaze News senior editor for politics.

He's our Washington correspondent.

He lives,

not in the swamp, near the swamp.

He's always on the edges of the swamp, peering into the abyss and reporting what's happening in the abyss.

And he wrote a story that I read early this morning, The Doge That Caught the Car.

Christopher Bedford is with us now to go through it because I think this is great.

a great analysis on what happened yesterday.

So Chris, let's start there.

What happened yesterday?

Oh, thanks for having me.

It's great to be here.

Yesterday,

we started to see something.

It was complicated.

The spending fights at the end of the year are always difficult.

You kind of have to break it down by what is best for the incoming administration.

What are their goals?

What are they working on?

And sometimes it's going to go against some of the maybe secondary objectives that you have.

The first thing it was, it's a vote of no confidence in the Republican Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson.

And it's also a shot across the bow for some of the fiscal conservatives who are the fiscal hawks who I generally agree with, but it was a shot across their bow.

And it's the best case scenario, I think, for President Donald Trump, elect Donald Trump and his incoming administration.

So

when you say it was a shot across the bow,

they want to cut the budget.

And I know Donald Trump doesn't worry about the budget because he believes he focuses on growth.

But even he

knows that it's it's going to take unbelievable growth to just dig us out of this hole we're already in.

So I don't, I think maybe for the first time, I've seen a guy who does care about the deficit and the

debt more than he ever has.

But he knows he has to not only cut the debt by cutting the spend of the government, mainly by cutting the size of the government and cleaning up all the corruption, but he also has to serve the people and get the money to the entrepreneurs and to the regular person so they have money to be able to buy.

And that, you don't want to print money like Biden did.

You got to give it back to him in taxes.

So we're in this transition period, are we not, where,

you know,

one of them has to happen first.

They both have to happen, but...

You got to get the taxes down first and then start cutting the government by cutting the regulation, et cetera, et cetera.

And I believe he'll do that.

Some of the Republicans think they're playing the old game.

And if we're playing the old game where they promise stuff and then never do it, we're in deep trouble.

But I don't think Donald Trump does that.

No, I don't think he does either.

But you have to look at a little bit of

what he ran on.

And deficit hoc was not his number one priority.

It was reinvigorating the American economy, reconfiguring our trade deals, being able to actually deport a lot of the violent criminals and illegal aliens who have invaded the country, particularly over the last four years, strengthening America's borders.

And those things are all going to cost money at the outset, bringing back American manufacturing.

So it's kind of like how when Ronald Reagan was elected president, he ended up fighting with some great principled conservatives like Ron Paul back in the day, because his number one goal was defeating the Soviet Union, not always cutting budgets.

So sometimes Republicans in Congress would come up with deals.

They'd come back to the White House back in the 80s and say, look, they're going to cut $2 in domestic spending for every dollar we cut in military spending.

And the White House would reject that deal.

They said, we need the number one objective here is why we were elected.

And this is what the way Trump is looking at this.

And he's looking at it across 2025, which is going to have a lot of different minefields for him, a lot of different leverage points.

And principled conservatives like Chip Roy like to fight for those leverage points so they can use them in negotiations to try and extract concessions from Democrats.

The problem for a lot of them is that they're they're not backed up by principled leaders who are very good at this.

So you have

Donald Trump looking out and saying, I don't want to send Mike Johnson into the room to negotiate the debt limit six months into my administration when Democrats have now got their groove back.

And believe me, the Democratic base is enough now, but six months into deportations and Donald Trump's new agenda, they will be

screaming for blood.

And there's no way that they will not get concessions if they walk into those negotiations.

So Trump wants to clear the deck of that sort of thing.

So, he was, but he was elected on, you're right, fixing the economy, curbing inflation, and all of that.

By the way, I'm at America Fest, AmFest with Charlie Kirk and his event today.

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But,

you know, you said fixing the economy and deporting, you know, and stopping the illegal immigration.

But he was also,

I think these are equal things.

Fix the economy,

fix the immigration problem, and the third one was cut the size of government,

cut all of these, the deep state out.

So he is motivated to do all three.

It's not just

the defeating of communism with Reagan.

These all work together hand in hand.

It's just which one are you going to do first?

Getting the money back to the American people, not through stimulus, but through tax cuts, is his first step.

He's got to do the other two that are going to cost money.

And until the economy really starts to take off and you're getting more taxes as the government because people are making more money,

you're not going to be able to accomplish two and three.

So for this one exception, I think he should have been given

the

debt ceiling.

So we're not fighting that as

I agree.

You?

I do.

I agree with that completely.

He's got two big fights essentially already on the books coming up.

He's going to have to convince Republicans with a slim majority in the Senate, that means Susan Collins, that means Lisa Murkowski, to appropriate $100 billion to help with his border enforcement and to help actually fulfill his campaign promise on getting the gangs out of here, getting MS-13 out of your neighborhoods.

And then he's going to also try and go back.

Right now, they have these as two different moves.

I think they're going to end up having to combine them to move the Senate to ask to make the Trump tax cuts permanent, something that's going to affect everyone's law pocketbook, affect their families' abilities to save, make those permanent.

And these are things that are also hard with Republicans in the House and in the Senate because these aren't corporate tax cuts.

These are family tax cuts.

You can pass any corporate tax cuts you want through Washington, D.C.

with Republicans, but it's a lot harder when it's actually something that hits you and me and your listeners and our families.

And those are two of the things he's got already difficult fights on.

He's got the nomination process, so he's got to get people like RFK and Pete Hegset through.

So then to add a June debt ceiling thing, even though I see where the fiscal conservatives are coming from, it's just sets him up to take losses from the Democrats.

You know, Liz said earlier that Liz Wheeler is with me this weekend.

She said earlier that

the

gosh, now I forgot I'm sorry I just lost my it is so hard to concentrate here Liz when we were talking about this last hour

you made a point on

the fiscal conservatives and trying to move us and timing can you make that

yeah I think the word that best defines this fight when you're watching it is disruption right and Chris you can tell me if you can tell me if this is what tracks with what you're seeing in Washington DC but it's not that Chip Roy is principally wrong.

He's principally correct.

It's that the process that we've seen in Washington, D.C.

by for decades now of Republicans claiming to be fiscal conservatives, they haven't effectively gotten that done.

And so what Trump is doing now is he's hired a disruptor, Elon Musk, to come in with Doge and retool this entire process, do it a different way.

And it seems like that just there hasn't quite been the marriage of those principled fiscal conservatives with this new disruptive process that I think we should give Trump credit for because it actually has already worked because the first 1,500-page bill, all of the stuff that you had a problem with in that bill has, we killed it.

Yes.

Yeah.

So we had a whip.

That's exactly correct.

But now.

They are.

They really are.

And the fiscal conservatives are right in principle.

How do we train or convince people, like a very good friend he's coming on, Chip Roy, that, Chip, this isn't the same game.

Because you have Elon Musk and Doge

and the entire country focused and excited about that,

you've got to give this guy breathing room and credit because he's got to spend money as he's cutting money.

But

he can't keep having battles.

He's got to get the things that we all agree on, Get them done right now.

And

if it means you're going to have to extend some things you don't like, but you know they're going to cut them later, go with it.

Get it done now.

How do we convince them?

You know, that's part of the art of the compromise and the art of the possible that is politics in general.

And I've been in the swamp now.

I moved here six months before George W.

Bush's second inauguration.

So it's been 20 years.

And I don't think that I've seen anything like we saw this past past week where the House of Representatives and the Senate come through, they've got their big pork Christmas gift, they've got everything ready, and then suddenly someone says no.

And those people were Chip Roy, those people were Elon Musk, and then Donald Trump and J.D.

Vance over at the top, who came in and blew it up in the Senate and the House's faces.

And they were shocked to have someone say, this isn't going to go, this isn't going to pass.

And that was a huge victory for people like Chip to get that out there.

But at that point, you have to look at the objectives that you've reached and order them properly.

So

what's the number one objective for the next year of this administration?

Would Trump have been a success as president if he cut 2% off the deficit?

Or would he be a success as president if he was able to fulfill his campaign promises and bring manufacturing back, get these gangs out of here, fix the border?

What's the real

long-term difference?

So it's important to be that guy on the ramparts at some point at dawn, fighting at the end of the day.

But then you have to also understand when to take a win and when to say

this is a fight that's not worth

going to loggerheads and administration over.

And that's where he's got to get to.

Yeah.

Okay, Chip Roy's coming up in just a second.

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Liz,

I think where we went wrong this week is we had a conversation off the air that we should have had on the air and we just didn't have time to squeeze it in or so we thought.

But I think it's the most important conversation that we had was off the air.

And that was after Chip Roy hung up with us last time.

We looked at each other and said,

I disagree with the debt thing.

He was focused on the debt and you and I were focused on getting all this other crap out of there.

And

we would have taken the bill with the debt limit if it didn't have everything.

And we didn't express that to Chip.

And I'm not sure that,

I think that's the way America felt when Chip said that.

I think, I don't know, but I think a lot of people felt, wait a minute, I agree with the debt.

It's got to go away, but that shouldn't be the priority.

If you have one or the other,

get rid of all the other stuff, which they did.

That's what they presented yesterday.

Yeah, it's funny, actually.

Hindsight is 2020.

looking back at that conversation i was listening to chip royan he's one of my favorite members of the house i love the guy i think he's truly principled he's great

um but when he was talking i was like okay chip wrap up the talk about the debt talk to me about the crap that's in the bill and how we're gonna get rid of this and how it's a victory and i actually looking back i it it was a mistake on my part not to see what he was doing by talking about that

um because we should have seen this coming actually we should have predicted exactly what was going to happen and we missed that because we were he's a man of his he's a man of his word he's i mean he when he says he's going to do something he did something and he always does and this time i think it was uh misplaced timing yeah we have the same comments

how about misplaced distrust

he's distrusting the system and he's expecting it to be the same as it's always been And I think the American people want to say, yeah, Mike Johnson will be, but not Donald Trump.

Yeah, or I think when it comes to disruption, it's easy to think, and I've thought like this and then corrected my own mindset before.

It's easy to think that disruption is going to be restoring a process that's broken to what we originally intended the process to be, but actually it's going to retool the process to be something totally different.

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I think we have a great opportunity today to show you how to have a tough conversation with friends, friends,

where you deeply disagree on something,

but you know that their intent is good.

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And we actually have the same end goal, but we disagree on the path, and we're going to walk away friends.

Chip Roy is joining us today.

And Chip,

I love you, and I always will, and I agree with your, we've got to cut spending, we have to.

But

Liz Wheeler is with me, and we've been talking about it all morning.

It's the

system of Doge and Trump,

the call out to the world and saying you got to surround the capital you know the bad guys are in and about to take all the money surround and tell them come out with your hands up and that happened and we scored a massive win in an entirely new way and then you stood on principle one we both agree with and uh

it failed and so here's here's what Liz and I were talking about it here's what we want to say to you and then get your response

Hi, Congressman.

Hi, Congressman Roy.

This is the way that I see it, and I want your take on this.

I love you.

I think you're one of the best members of Congress.

I disagree with you on the process of what's happening.

And I think that is the difference, the process.

We elected Donald Trump to be a disruptor because

Republican members of Congress for decades have been telling us they're fiscal conservatives.

They want to decrease the debt ceiling.

It hasn't happened.

It hasn't been done.

And so Donald Trump comes in with Elon Musk and uses this Doge process to first identify these pieces of garbage in the first 1,500-page bill and take those things to the people.

We took them to members of Congress.

Congress said, okay, we'll listen to you.

So that new process was very effective.

And my question to you is: once that process was proved to be effective, which I think is exciting and wonderful, how do we bridge this divide with you to say, okay, let's put some faith in this new process and trust Elon Musk and Donald Trump and the Doge process to eventually address the debt ceiling, but get this done right now.

And not blind trust.

Chip.

So appreciate you guys, appreciate being on the show.

Number one, in no particular order, I'm going to go through a couple of things.

Number one, it is important to remember that my job and my duty is to the Constitution, to God, and to the people I represent.

I told them when I came to Washington, I would not, I would not lift a credit card and the debt ceiling and the borrowing of the United States without the spending restraint necessary to offset it.

Right now, all we have are promises and ideas and notions.

What I know that neither of you respectfully know and that none of your listeners respectfully know are the people in the room that I was in with yesterday and the day before who are recalcitrant and do not want to do the spending cuts that we seek to do, that I believe the president and the doge guys and russ vote and everybody want to do my job is to force that through the meat grinder to demand that we do our damn job okay that's number two number three wait wait hold on all right

you're right you're all right go ahead number three when we were going through the bill i'm glad the bill dropped from 1550 pages to 116 pages Three quarters of Twitter or X or whatever you want to call it have been out there basically spreading false facts that we supported that bill and didn't like the better bill.

That's not true.

But let's be clear: the 1,400 pages that were cut out, it's not a panacea.

There was some good stuff in there, there were some bad stuff in there, there's a lot of misinformation.

There wasn't a $70,000 pay raise, there was a $3,000 pay raise.

I didn't support any pay raise.

I didn't support a lot of the stuff in there.

But there's a lot of misinformation.

And here's the thing: the 116 pages that were left, and I opposed violently the first bill.

I was leading the charge on fighting and killing the first bill.

And I

was for 116 pages

turned off the pay-go requirements that we slashed $1.7 trillion automatically and added a $5 trillion debt ceiling increase.

My view was I could not support that without a clear understanding of what cuts we will get in mandatory spending next year and undoing of the Inflation Reduction Act, the undoing of the student loans, the undoing of the thrifty crap with the food stamps and everything else.

I yield back.

Okay, I yield back.

Chip, you're not in a hostile room.

We love you

and we agree with your end goals.

It's our end goal, too.

We didn't make that promise that you made to the people that voted for you.

So we have more wiggle room here.

But you say, I think our big difference is you say, I know know the guys in the room.

You're right.

You do.

And we seated that earlier today on the show.

You are, one of us is wrong on trust.

I don't trust any of the weasels in Washington.

But I think Donald Trump and Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy have earned enough trust to get a grace period here for the first, maybe the first year or at least six months to turn the economy around and also reduce the size of the government and totally flip this thing.

And I know as somebody who has, you know,

run a company, mainly into the ground, but run a company and have to switch it in the middle and totally reshuffle.

That actually costs money while you're doing it to bridge the gap because you got to fill up holes while you're filling the gap.

You don't trust the people in the room.

Neither do we.

But we do trust the system that worked on Wednesday with Doge and Donald Trump.

Where do we disagree?

Where can you give them?

We don't disagree.

And yesterday morning, I was making that precise argument in a room full of conservatives and then a follow-up room with people who are, we'll call it less conservative, more cinema park, more Republican.

Yes.

And so we were making this argument.

And then, somewhat infamously, something leaked out of the room somewhere down to Mar-a-Lago that somehow I was going, that I was being resistant because I was negotiating to try to get agreement to achieve the objective you just said.

I was working to try to get, okay.

In fact, yesterday morning, I made the argument to a group of conservatives.

We need to give the president runway.

We need to give him his first hundred days.

We need to appreciate and respect JD and Vivek and Elon and all the people and Russia and everybody involved for the president to achieve the objective.

But to get there, we have to make sure that the guys in the room that are an obstacle to that don't have the ability to block it because information flow matters.

And when those guys tell the president they can't achieve X, then the president and his team may not achieve X.

Our job was to force and demand, guys, we need actual understanding of what the cuts will be.

And because otherwise, you're asking us to accept a $5 trillion limit in our credit card increase in exchange for nothing.

Literally, in exchange for nothing

but hope.

So our job was to force that change.

Unfortunately, while I was trying to make the argument that we needed something in order to get the votes, someone leaked that down to Mar-a-Lago and the president reacted.

So now I have to now manage that.

So there's the issue in trying to force change in town.

Okay, so hang on.

We got to leave this bike because I'm going to run up against the clock.

I could talk to you all day about this.

You were in a meeting this morning with JD Vance.

Can you tell us anything about that meeting?

That meeting happened because despite what happened yesterday, I'm trying to get this done.

Last night talking to JD, we worked to get this meeting done.

We had some good progress this morning, but there still remain people concerned about spending that we're trying to work out what agreement we can reach on what spending cuts we will actually get next year in exchange for giving the vote on a debt ceiling increase.

So it remains fluid.

Progress was made, but we've got to keep working on it.

And I left that meeting to come talk to you.

So I'll get an update in a minute.

Okay.

Thank you for that, by the way.

I hear there is a new bill that may be coming today.

Is that the one you're talking about, or is this another bill that could be another nightmare?

I despite other people leaking crap, I refuse.

So I can't say because it's not been decided by the speaker, and it's just not right to talk about things we're talking about in private meetings.

I'd just like to say it to me all the time.

It's this speaker.

I mean,

is he really the speaker anymore, Chip?

Really?

We need to figure out what bill we're going to get forward, and I can't talk about the private meetings.

But look, guys, I'm going to keep fighting for what I promised the people that I represent.

I'm going to fight to cut spending.

I'm going to represent Article 1.

I'm going to support the president's agenda, but we've got to do that together.

Okay, Chip, thank you.

I think we agree, but I wait to see what that means to you, because we may just have to agree to disagree on this.

But I love you, and I still want you to replace Cornyn.

The short version is, for inflation's sake, we cannot increase the debt ceiling $5 trillion without knowing what we're getting for it.

And I don't think anybody should disagree with that.

But you don't disagree that Elon Musk and Vivek and Trump are serious about gutting this system.

I believe that is their objective.

I believe there are obstacles to that objective, and I need to know the sincerity of how we deal with those obstacles, both structural in the government and human.

And we've got to figure that out, and that's my job.

Okay, good.

Chip, thank you very much.

Can we just talk before we go into now?

Let me go into a break.

Let me get the business done, and then I'm going to come back.

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Excuse all the noise behind me, but I'm at America Fest, AmFest, and

with Turning Point, and it is very loud, huge crowd, about 20,000 people here today.

I'm speaking tomorrow and doing the keynote tomorrow, and then Sunday, Donald Trump will be here to do the keynote on Sunday.

We just got off the phone with Chip Roy and

you can tell he's under the gun and under the spotlight and he is a tough Texan.

We both disagree with what

Chip is doing, but we agree with his intent.

But I want to ask you,

and maybe I'm reading too much into it, but I got the impression twice in that interview.

He is actually

trying to send up a flare to Donald Trump and his people to say, no,

you don't understand.

You don't know who's in your

side.

There are people that they're saying they're with you, but they're not.

They're just masters at the game and haven't been unmasked yet.

And I'm trying to say,

Flair, stop trusting these people.

Am I reading too much into what he said, Liz?

No, I think when what you say brings an image of Speaker Mike Johnson into my mind.

It does, but it can't be just him.

It's got to be.

He probably doesn't have the gumption to do that all on his own.

There's other swamp creatures in Congress.

I mean, that was an exciting interview because it shows us that essentially what we've been saying is accurate, that there are swamp creatures within the Republican Party who still need to be routed.

Just because Donald Trump won, great victory, exciting, now the work begins.

I think that's what Chip Roy is doing,

but it's a separate thing from the debt ceiling.

This has been my biggest worry

that,

you know, the swamp creatures and die-hard even progressives will claim to have seen the light and

tag themselves as big Trump supporters all of a sudden and they'll work because they're weasels and snakes they're very good at this they've done it their whole career and they're going to work their way into

and be actually

sabotaging the administration by killing the strong people who are actually for Donald Trump but are just more outspoken like like Chip is on we got to hold the line on spending.

They're going to say to him, oh, we're with you on that.

Absolutely.

But this is unreasonable.

Chip is trying to destroy you and thwart you.

And they're all those Freedom Caucus people.

They're all unreasonable, Mr.

President.

But I got your back here in Congress.

I think that's what Chip is trying to stop.

Yeah, I think that's exactly right.

And actually, if Speaker Johnson is engaging in this behavior, it's because he learned about it from his predecessor.

This was the craft of Kevin McCarthy, who was completely against Trump, but ingratiated himself into pretending to be in the Trump inner circle, but actually behind the scenes, he was constantly sabotaging.

Speaker Johnson is carrying that mantle.

And that worked the last time with Donald Trump.

He put up with people like McConnell.

I mean, yesterday, we talked about this on the air.

Putting Elon Musk in as the Speaker of the House would just send chills down the spines of all those rats and weasels because sometimes you have to drive the car before you know how it really runs.

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Hello, America, and welcome to Friday.

We've got a lot to talk about.

We're at America Fest in Phoenix, Arizona today.

We just talked to Chip Roy.

We've been talking about what happened, the meltdown that happened in Congress yesterday.

It kind of makes me happy in a way because I think we're going to solve a few problems and hopefully be able to clear some runway for the new Trump administration.

We'll have more on that also with Charlie Kirk.

He's coming up in about 30 minutes.

But I want to start with cake.

A smaller piece of cake is oppressive.

Yes.

Yes, my friend, it is.

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And really, Liz, I mean, do you see a reason for Stu to come back?

Because,

I mean, I think I can pleasantly forget him by January 6th when we return.

So you've done a great job.

Thank you.

Thank you.

I was in his dressing room this morning and I asked the mirror on the wall, mirror, mirror on the wall, but it started mumbling about inner beauty.

So Stu hasn't trained.

All right.

Let me talk about a couple of things.

First, this is one of the greatest things the progressives have ever done.

In San Francisco, they appointed,

and

I'm just going to call a spade a spade.

They

appointed a fat chick to be the new San Francisco weight czar.

Okay.

And I love that, quite honestly.

You know, somebody who says, it is oppressive to ask for a smaller piece of cake.

I agree.

Bring me the whole box of ho-ho, sweetheart.

But if you're actually caring about people's wealth, or I mean health, it is exactly like a progressive to a point a fat chick who just says, stop making jokes and calling me a fat chick.

Dude, you're a fat chick, okay?

I don't know what your pronouns are, I don't care, but you're fat no matter what

pronoun you put after

fat.

I like the word chick.

You're a fat chick.

That's it.

Here's San Francisco's new fat chick weight czar on eating cake.

If you're like many women, you've been to a birthday party or a small office gathering, an event that's meant to bring people together.

There's swinging tunes, some adult beverages, and good convo.

And then then it comes time to cut the cake, and someone decides to ruin everything.

Oh my god, that slice is huge.

That slice is bigger than Beyonce's paycheck.

Can you cut me half of half of that?

A cake-related fat phobic incident, or CRFI,

is that moment when it's time to eat delicious cake and it's interrupted by a moralizing impulse.

Inevitably, there's there's always someone at the party who has to declare publicly that their slice is too large and that the person who's cutting the cake, almost invariably a woman, must do some disproportionate amount of labor in order to accommodate their needs to feel.

Disproportionate amount of labor.

What is...

Oh my gosh.

Look, you want to be fat?

Be fat.

I've been fat.

I'm trying to lose weight.

You know,

I'm not trying to get non-fat so I'm healthier.

Because I'm not exercising.

I'm trying to not be fat so I don't wake up every morning and look at the mirror and go, good God, and you put that face and body on television every day.

It's abusive to the American people.

You want to be fat?

Be fat.

But don't try to convince me that you're also, this is a healthy way to look at it.

There's a healthy.

You know, I just wanted to say as the new weight and health czar that

it doesn't matter how fat you are, you have been sitting in your couch so long that the couch has actually started to grow in with your skin.

It's still okay.

That's what we have firefighters for.

They can come in with a firefighting crane and take you out through the front window.

No, you're fat.

It's dangerous for you.

And if you also believe in socialized medicine, you're going to suck up all the resources for people who have tried to take care of their body and and get sick they're not gonna be green resources because you who ate cake the whole time and I say this as an absolute cake lover I am a pig when it I grew up in a bakery what do you expect okay donuts cake cupcakes I love them all and could eat them non-stop So I say this with experience of loving cake.

It makes you fat and that's not healthy.

Take the advice, leave the advice, doesn't matter, but don't try to lecture me with a fat chick or a fat dude that this is somehow or another healthy and everyone else is oppressing you.

I can't take it.

It's worse than that, Glenn.

First of all, there aren't, to my knowledge,

these body positivity.

I've never seen a guy, a dude do this.

It's only the fat girls that do this.

She's not just lecturing you.

She's using your own whiteboard to lecture you about being oppressive.

Okay.

All right.

That's not right.

That's not right.

I can't.

I mean, honestly.

Yeah, there it is.

Can't we just say, look,

you're fat, and that's okay.

And you may have had a hard time losing weight.

I know I couldn't lose weight.

And you know why?

Because I wouldn't exercise.

And if I did exercise, I would have eaten cheeseburgers.

I know to be thin, Ozempic is helpful.

To be healthy, Ozempic is not helpful.

Unless I include working out, which I'm not doing.

I get it.

We need to recognize that and then just be cool with your size.

Okay?

I hate it.

I mean,

I...

I shop with my daughters and it's honestly, it's like designers, especially of women's clothing, but I think all designers, they hate women.

They hate women because anything that they make that's nice, once you get over a certain size, no, it's to the back of Walmart for you.

You can't get anything nice in bigger sizes.

Why is that?

Why is that?

Because designers don't want to see, this is true.

Designers don't want their designs on people who are fat.

That's the truth.

So you want the oppression?

There it is.

It comes from, quite honestly, most likely the gay designers of women's clothing.

There it is.

Not the baker.

Not the baker.

I love her.

I think I love videos like this.

When I first saw it, I thought it was a parody.

I thought, this cannot be real.

It's...

It's her.

It's actually, you know what it is, Glenn?

This is, critical race theory was an assault on objective truth, right?

Trying to tell us that your color of your skin defines who you are.

And the same with transgenderism.

It's an assault on objective truth that men can't be women, women can't be men.

This is the third iteration of it.

They are trying to assault objective truth by telling you if you look, if you believe your lying eyes and you look at this woman and you say she's morbidly obese and that's unhealthy, that that somehow makes you an oppressor.

It's the same, it's just the third step of it.

And it's like, my grandma was,

she was a grandma, okay?

When grandmas, you know, didn't have, you know, dyed hair or black.

If there was any dye in my grandma's hair, it would have been purple.

Okay, she wasn't trying to look like she was 20.

It was when grandmas were grandmas, and she looked like Mrs.

Santa Claus.

And my grandfather looked literally, I thought for a while, he was Santa Claus.

He looked just like Santa Claus.

And I love my grandma.

I just love her.

She wasn't healthy, but I didn't care how she looked.

I really, you know.

What is the problem?

The only reason why you should be talking about that stuff is health.

Grandma, I know you grew up in the Depression, but we don't have to use lard now to make everything.

And she would just say, no, it tastes much better.

Okay,

if that's the road we're going down, I'm with you.

Let me give you something else I found.

This is an old interview from 1995.

With all of the things that are happening in the sky with the drones, and by the way, why is it Long Island now, we have nothing to be concerned with.

Why is it okay that Long Island now can shoot any drone out of the sky?

Hmm.

Why?

Why?

Why isn't the Department of Homeland Security saying, no,

you can't because there's nothing to worry about?

Why would you...

There's something wrong with the drone thing.

I don't know what it is, but there's something wrong with the drone thing.

Listen to this from

1995.

This was a guy who had worked at Area 51.

1995, listen to what he said, is coming in the year 2025.

Listen.

I have had the opportunity over the years to interview, again, people who have worked at the test site at Groom Lake.

One gentleman spent

12 of his 30 years in black programs at Groom Lake.

When I asked him, I said, first of all, I said, do you believe in UFOs?

And he looked at me with a straight face in one-on-one.

He said, absolutely positively, they do exist.

I said, can you expand upon that?

And he said, no, I can't.

About

a year later, we were talking about, again, activities at Groom Lake.

And I asked him, I said, you know,

can you really

tell me what's happening out there?

And he said, well,

There's a lot of things that are going on there that I won't be able to tell you until the year 2025.

But we have things in the Nevada desert that would make George Lucas envious.

And 2025, he goes on to say that it will be revealed in 2025.

But you'll notice it's at Groom Lake of Area 51.

It's at a lake.

Where are they saying some of these drones, what they can do?

They can fly in the air and they can go underwater as well.

What are these?

I think this is another piece of evidence that they're probably from us

or somebody else has been doing the same kind of testing we are on something new.

We're on the edge of total revolution or revolutionary thinking when it comes to the war machine, I think.

Any thoughts on that, Liz?

Do you believe in UFOs in the sense that you think that they're aliens, like extraterrestrials?

Or do you think it's mostly when there's these UFO sightings and these pilots see these abnormalities, these vehicles vehicles in the air that are defying gravity and physics.

Do you think that's our military, demons?

What do you think of that stuff?

I think it's first,

most likely our military.

That's the first box I would check.

That's us.

Second box I would check would be, because I don't believe that we're alone in the universe.

And

with us coming now with quantum computing, you can have the atoms open up in parallel spaces and it is the beginning of transport.

You can open up something in Los Angeles and you can watch the nuclei and atom, the same one, I don't even know how it works, in England, they can open them up at the same time and they can affect one another.

So it's almost like the Star Trek transporter in a way

in immediate time.

So I think we're just scratching the surface of time and travel and distances and everything else.

So I think it's a waste of space if the entire universe and we're alone in it.

But that's a possibility.

But it's also a possibility we're not alone.

I don't think that we're living with a bunch of bugs that have suddenly become intelligent anywhere because I believe in intelligent design.

Why would he design us like this and the others will

giant octopus lizard people?

It doesn't make sense to me.

But I'm open to being visited.

I think one of the oft overlooked theories about this stuff is that they're demons.

Like, I believe in spiritual warfare.

I think that oftentimes, even in politics, things are explained by being in a battle of good, capital G versus evil, capital E.

And I feel like people overlook the idea that these are demonic forces sometimes.

I'm not saying the drones are.

I don't know what these drones are.

I know our government's lying to us about what they know about them.

But I feel like

people are uncomfortable sometimes with the idea that this might just be demons.

So

I believe that there are evil spirits that can possess bodies and everything else.

I don't think Satan needs a drone to get around in.

You know what I mean?

No, but he could

use it.

Yeah, he could use the people that have made that or the things that have made that and use it for evil purposes.

Right.

But he's always using people, whether they're lizard people or not.

You know, he would always be using people to do and get his means done.

He's not driving them.

Not necessarily, because Satan, as we understand, is pure spirit, but...

He could use demonic forces.

I mean, people have seen demons, so you can see them.

They can take form and take shape.

I don't know.

I just think some of these things are unexplainable by our physics, and maybe that's okay in the sense that maybe it's spiritual warfare.

I don't know.

I mean, I hope that when Donald Trump is inaugurated that he starts declassifying some of this stuff because when I see videos like that video from 1995, I believe the guy, like, I believe the guy,

there's been so many people from Area 51 who've told about these same things.

Like, it's real.

To gain credibility,

the government has to start declassifying almost everything.

Unless it's directly related to national security, all of this crap should be disclassified.

It's the only way we're going to get our credibility back with each other is to see what actually was happening, who the bad guys are, who the good guys are.

You can't have this many secrets and have a stable society.

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with us with us now.

He's from Mercury.

What is your title at Mercury One?

I'm the manager of education for Mercury One's American Journey Experience.

Okay.

So Elijah travels the country, and he is, if you think I'm a decent speaker at all, all,

he casts a very bright light that I stand in that shadow.

And

you're here, it's Mercury One and AJE.

And where's your booth?

Absolutely.

So we're in the southeast corner of the exhibit hall and we've brought some really incredible artifacts from the...

What did you bring?

Absolutely.

So we actually brought the original Christian Bale uniform from Batman that you can see where it was protecting him from actually burning up and Batman begins.

We've brought Thomas Jefferson's hair from his botany collection.

We have numerous artifacts from the Salem witch trials, an original warrant for a witch's arrest.

So amazing.

Incredible.

So amazing.

Did you bring the books?

Because I know I'm giving a speech tomorrow.

Did we bring the witch books?

I did bring those witch books.

I was going to keep them secret.

Yeah, yeah, that's fine.

That's fine.

That's fine.

I'm going to show some things in my speech tomorrow.

It's all about history and how it lines up exactly where we are.

Yes, sir.

Did I kind of give you a rundown of the speech when I was picking the things out?

Just a little bit, and it's going to be incredible.

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Make sure you look for the Mercury One booth if you're here at America Fest and just see some truly amazing things from history and get to know what we're doing, because I think you want to be involved, especially with our education.

Some big things are coming next year that you don't even know about that I can't wait to share with you soon.

But we're at AmFest in Phoenix.

I'm giving the keynote tomorrow, and Sunday, the president will be here.

So, if you're in Phoenix or thinking about traveling to Phoenix, Sunday's probably not a real good day because they're gonna shut everything down for the president.

Elijah, thank you so much.

Absolutely, thank you.

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Liz, you have an update from Washington on a new bill.

We think this is going to be introduced today in response to what happened to yesterday.

So what's the new bill we think?

That's right.

Fingers crossed.

This is from Liz Elkin.

She says, House Republican leaders expected to present this plan to lawmakers per two sources.

Three separate bills, a continuing resolution, disaster relief and farm aid, and a handshake agreement on acting on the debt limit in reconciliation.

When asked about timeline, one Republican said, we'll be here all night.

I got to tell you, I think that's fine.

And I think that's what Chip Roy was.

Remember, we had that conversation again off the air.

Off the air.

We have this apart.

Yeah, off the air.

You asked me, do you think he needs it in writing?

And I said, I think he just wants assurances,

you know, a man-to-man cowboy handshake, cowboy contract, that that is going to happen.

And it looks like, yes, this is just breaking.

He said he wouldn't.

He said he knew it, but he wouldn't break it on the show because it wasn't his job to leak things.

So I think that's great.

Because Charlie Kirk is with us.

Charlie, you think...

Glenn, great to see you.

It's phenomenal.

First of all, all, it breaks things into separate votes.

That's the first ask.

Enough of these omnibuses of people.

Yes.

And it is the oldest trick in Washington, D.C.

Put things that are essential with things that are terrible.

Yes.

And then you bind these congressmen that are in tough districts.

They say, oh, I vote for this thing because I had all this veteran stuff that I like, and 90% of it was garbage.

Yes.

And so if you break it into separate bills, then you can actually say, okay, farmer aid, disaster aid, fine.

Do that separately.

You know why they don't like doing that?

They actually wanted to go home this weekend for Christmas break.

It is as simple as that, is that there is a lifestyle component to our legislative process.

And when I first learned that, I said, wait a second, we have nurses, EMTs, we have people on 24-call that are working Christmas Eve and Christmas all through New Year's that are making the country run.

Our members of Congress can work through Christmas to go do 12 or 15 separate votes.

It's not that hard.

In fact, the stewardship of the country is far more important than your Christmas vacation.

Yes.

And, you know,

they're working for the people.

Allegedly.

Allegedly.

That's what they're supposed to be doing.

I gave up a day of my vacation to be here.

I'm on the ground.

You're with all these wonderful patrons.

You look at all these great people.

And it's because everybody here is most likely doing the same thing,

taking some vacation time to be here because it's important.

It's really important.

Yeah, and it's just a phenomenal event here, and glory be to God.

And we always have to.

Hang on just a second.

Glory be to God, yes.

But God needs actual physical hands on earth, and you have been this is your thing turning point is you it's our thing that's

the organization

It took a leader to lead it and you deserve a lot of credit for the win and all the credit well, no not all the credit, but most of the credit for this because it was your baby

Thank you Glenn.

That's very touching and I you know this and I'll throw it back at you.

You've been an instrumental piece in my worldview formation.

Okay.

He won't accept it.

So I got to get better at receiving compliments.

Yeah, no, and I've heard you give this really great, and

I'm grateful that, you know, we have a good relationship and we've helped each other out.

But

let's talk about

what we're facing January 20th.

Because we, I.

I am for the spending cuts.

I am against raising the debt limit.

But if I were in Congress, I would have done it this time because I want to give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt.

I think he deserves it.

He's earned it.

And I find it credible.

He's not a debt guy, but Elon Musk is.

And Trump knows, along with Elon Musk, we've got to grow the economy, but we also have to cut it down.

And I'll give Donald Trump the benefit of the doubt because...

If he doesn't cut the size of government dramatically, he doesn't stand a chance.

He must shrink the size of the state.

A couple things.

Number one, on this legislative back and forth is that President Trump wants a clean slate.

What does that mean?

He does not want to inherit all of the problems of this dysfunctional Congress, and he has to go clean this up.

And his agenda that he ran on, that people voted for, would be thwarted.

So he wants a clean slate.

He also doesn't want Schumer to have this

over a barrel with debt ceiling unnecessarily.

What President Trump has done, and this is what will happen January 20th through Doge, is that the executive branch is going to ask a fundamental constitutional question and it's going to go up to the Supreme Court very quickly, which is does the executive branch have to spend all the money that Congress sends it?

This is around the idea of the Empowerment Act.

And it's a very interesting constitutional question.

It says, of course, that the Congress controls the purse, the House of Representatives, all spending bills must originate in the House.

But it's not clear whether the executive branch has to spend all of that money if they can do the duties that Congress ascribes to them for less money.

So if Doge is able to say, hey, we're able to do this for half the cost, why can't they just send a wire back to Congress or say, no, we actually don't need it?

And that constitutional executive tension theoretically could result in hundreds of billions of dollars of cost savings.

And that is centered around Russ Vodis, talked about this from Office of Management Budget, who's 10 out of 10.

He's spectacular.

Is the Empowerment Act and then also the Presidential Reorganization Act.

I think that's a really healthy debate because our founders did never, they never wanted legislative supremacy.

You know this.

They wanted co-equal branches.

And we're living under this idea that Congress can just bully the executive branch of what to do with spending.

You must spend it.

In fact, Glenn, you've covered the horror stories of cabinet officials and agency secretaries that have to spend the money.

Like right now, what's happening is they're finding things to spend money on because their money's gonna run out.

And if you don't spend it, then you lose it the next time.

There's no reward for saving it.

And they'll say, well, even if we don't spend it, it has to be sent to another agency.

No, that's not correct.

What if every agency says, you know, try to do this for 70% of the cost or half of the cost?

And you're talking about a $6 trillion beast.

The ask is very simple.

Can we go back to pre-COVID spending?

Can we go back to 2019 spending?

We do that.

We have a $500 billion surplus, just back to pre-COVID spending levels.

And so the way that we shrink the size of government and the state is going to be done in a different way.

Because typically it's like, well, you must immediately get congressional buy-in.

The executive branch has a co-equal role in identifying and potentially even saving money that Congress was forcing them once again.

And you know the Democrats are taking everything to court.

How long before Donald Trump Trump just starts to shut parts of the government down?

I can't speak on his behalf, but I can say, though, that this Empowerment Act question will probably be heard this summer or sometime soon.

And if it comes back the way it should, which is this question, again, Hamilton and Madison and Jay, who were obviously the designers and explainers of the U.S.

Constitution, they wanted spirited tension between the branches.

They wanted collision.

They wanted the branches to kind of not to be at war with each other, but to have different opinions opinions on how governing should this idea that the executive branch must bend a knee because Congress has appropriated the money.

And so, look, in addition to that, is if we can get, this is where the other thing is that I was pushing for, and I don't think it's going to happen, is if we can reauthorize the Presidential Reorganization Act, which has been authorized in many times, which essentially says...

If an agency can do the work that is duplicative of another agency, it no longer needs to exist.

So let's just take the Department of Education, which needs to end.

The Department of Education needs to be shut down.

Do you guys agree?

And the Department of Education.

So do you believe, do you believe Linda McMahon, because she's a great manager.

She's phenomenal.

Is she a managed to the close?

She shares the president's stated plan to close the Department of Education, but let's just take three examples of how that can happen before you close it.

Student loans,

that should be under the Department of Treasury.

Put that under Treasury.

There's no reason it should be there.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Why do we have it?

That was a problem.

I agree.

That's going to require Congress.

What I'm getting at, though, is at least you can break apart.

Yes.

I agree.

We should get rid of any subsidized student loans.

I'm just getting at this is the way that you can actually weaken an agency to no longer exist through duplicative type processes.

School-assisted lunch.

You can make an argument for it or against it.

But school-assisted lunch, basically that the taxpayers need to pay for lunch.

That could be under the Department of Agriculture.

They do food stamps.

Much better done.

And then finally, they have this whole separate office of the Department of Education that is Senate-confirmed Tier 2 position that is the Office of Civil Rights.

Put that under the Department of Justice.

They don't need your own civil rights division in the Department of Education that goes and harasses our Christian schools and goes after conservative kids.

So you can completely close that.

That's three functions.

All of a sudden, the Department of Education inherently weakens.

And you know this, Glenn.

The Department of Education actually never existed.

It used to be called H-E-W.

Yep.

Health, Education, and Welfare.

And in fact,

we could remerge these together and then we could find duplicative type processes and better synergies.

That is even before we get more to the fundamental question of which I have and you have, I don't think the Department of Education is constitutional.

I do not think that it's in the original intent as written that the federal government has any role in the education of our children, period.

What progressives do understand, but the actual voter that votes usually with Democrats don't understand is

I don't have a problem with the way you live in California.

You want to live in California and you want to

be as insane as you are.

You can do that.

Your own community can vote for that and that's fine.

I'm not going to pay for it and don't force me to live that way.

And that's unfortunately the problem.

We have San Francisco values in small towns that do not agree with those values at all.

And it's forced upon them.

It's forced upon them because it's federal.

The Office of Civil Rights of the Department of Education.

And even worse, I mean, you guys remember, and this was not a very covered um issue the department of education was using school assisted lunch funding to force transgender bathrooms do you remember this it was a lesson like they said we are not going to give money for kids that need assistance for lunch if you don't have radical transgender policies yes so what we've done is we've created this insane leverage that the department of education should not have over local municipalities and school districts and the good news is linda mcmahon i believe will do two things i could say just believe looking as on the outside outside, two things concurrently.

She wants to shut it down, but also fix as much as we can and reverse as much as we can.

No more CRT for schools.

We're going to not send any federal money after schools that are teaching DEI.

And day one, there needs to be a massive push to the NCAA, the NCAA itself, as an official bodying organization, that the federal government will not send another dime of taxpayer dollars if men are competing in female sports.

We will not tolerate that.

Absolutely.

It's not going to happen.

And so there's a lot that we can do in the interim to help reverse some of this nonsense we've been living through.

But to answer the question, is Trump going to just shut down agencies?

He does.

The question is, can he?

And

that's the constitutional question.

It's going to go to the Supreme Court.

And the question there is,

do the federal workers in the administration work for the president or does the president work for them?

This is the fundamental question.

I mean,

and if you are part of the administration, that is a branch of the government that is separate but equal, and you have to have an executive that's running.

You're totally right.

And thanks to President Trump with what he did in the first term, I think, Glenn, we finally have a Supreme Court that's willing to weigh in.

And look, the West Virginia VEPA case,

other constitutional cases that we've seen in recent years are getting at the fundamental question of, wait a second.

The authoring, the birth of the administrative state is illegitimate.

The administrative state itself is an illegitimate experiment, that you cannot offer regulation without Congress.

In fact, said differently, that the entire premise that there is a fourth branch of government that is unelected, unknown,

and unchecked is against our birth certificate.

And so I think we're finally, I think the Overton window has moved enough.

I know you wrote a book called the Overton Window years ago.

It was a great book growing up.

I read it.

It's finally moved enough where I think the American people can stomach it.

And here's why I love what Doge is doing.

If they do nothing else than just live tweet the government waste that they find in real time, they will have done a great service to this country.

I mean, don't underestimate the exposure of things.

Oh, I think we saw the Trump Doge machine on Wednesday.

You know, you can talk all you want, but when the president and Elon Musk and the rest of us have a leader that says, nope, stop this right now, the American people stood up and it stopped.

And here's what's amazing.

Thanks to Elon Musk purchasing X and turning it into a more pop, we didn't have to go through any of the mainstream media.

We just did it.

In fact, what the media is now doing, the media networks are now just reporting what they're reading on X.

We can do that.

We don't need to watch them or that.

I know.

They're literally just reading X and they're like, well, now breaking on X, okay, I got that.

I could do it in real time.

I don't need your intermediaries.

And so it's a decentralization and a small de-democratization of the flow of information.

I will tell you,

when

we were talking about Time magazine and the person of the year,

obvious, there's no other choice than Donald Trump.

He is is the guy who's going to, he's going to change the whole world.

And if he does what he said, he will be remembered as another Abraham Lincoln kind of guy, kind of figure.

I think you're right.

An anti-FDR slash Wilson.

However,

the only other choice could have been Elon Musk.

I think that's right.

He did more to save our country just by buying X than anything else.

I think you'll appreciate this.

I said it when it happened, and now it's proven to be true.

It's the most important transaction transaction since the Louisiana purchase.

Yep.

And of scale and importance.

I believe it was the cause that was set in motion that helped us save our civilization.

Yep.

Charlie, we'll see you later on.

Thank you, Glenn.

Looking forward to Booth.

Thank you.

Thanks, guys.

We'll be back in just a minute.

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I'm going to give Liz Wheeler the last minute.

She's been so gracious on the program this week, filling him for stew.

Last word goes to you.

Well, I hardly even know how to start saying this but i feel like i haven't properly responded to a couple of very kind compliments that you've given me on the air and i want to explain why to you the reason why is because i am so grateful that you gave me this opportunity and i worried that saying this on the air would sound trite because i really am so in awe of your don't shake your head at me in the middle of my heartfelt speech that i really am so in awe of not only your talent but your ability to navigate very touchy topics with humor and grace like you did today with the debt ceiling and I mean it's why you are what you are and I just want to thank you for all the criticism you've given me off air it's helping and it's great and thank you for having me really you are tremendous listen to our show Liz Wheeler Show on Blaze and elsewhere.