Ep 230 | Why Homesteaders Aren’t Panicked About Empty Shelves | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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If you thought that every member of Generation Z would be clamoring for life in the metaverse, it probably surprised you to see the uptick in online videos of 20-somethings churning their own butter, raising chickens, planting tomatoes like they were characters in Little House on the Prairie.

My next guest says young people are running, not walking, back to the ways of their their great-grandparents, the way they used to live.

The question is, why?

What is the appeal of farm life for these digital natives?

What are they looking for in these traditional lifestyles?

Joining me is a Gen Z homesteader who is pointing the way for her generation to a new future that looks an awful lot like the past.

Welcome to today's podcast, Gubba from Gubba's Homestead.

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Gubba, welcome to the program.

Hi, thank you so much.

Thank you for having me.

You're welcome.

You're welcome.

First, I have to ask you,

Gubba, how did that name come about?

I'm imagining it's not your birth name.

So how did you get Gubba?

So, I mean, you could say it's my birth name because I have been called Gubba ever since I was little.

I would say it's like a family name that's been passed down.

Yes, it's been a family name.

I know that it was within my mom's family.

Someone had the nickname Gubba.

So I, yeah, I got named Gubba.

Yeah, going to family.

So I find you and people like you fascinating.

You know,

I have changed so much.

in the last 20 or 30 years.

You know, I was all for, you know, better living through pharmaceuticals and, you know, and, you know, the mass production of food and all of this stuff.

And I have come to, honestly, I grew up in Seattle where all of my crunchy hippie friends were.

And

there is something happening.

I think our food is killing us.

I think our pharmaceuticals are killing us.

or at least addicting us to always having problems and having to go to the pharmaceutical companies.

And

now this is becoming a big deal with conservatives

and young people as well.

You're 23, right?

Yes.

So

how did you come?

Have you always been like this?

Because you live in Seattle area, right?

Yes, I do.

And no, I have not always been like this.

So I relate to you.

in the sense I was eating the ultra-processed food that has been chemically modified to keep us addicted.

I was on the pharmaceuticals.

I was vegetarian for a while.

So I was really in that matrix.

I lived in Portland for a while.

It was really.

Yes, I did.

And so I absolutely relate to where you are coming from because I found myself walking outside of that matrix and now I am homesteading and I am connected with my food.

I'm disconnecting from big pharma and really see what is going on and how we're being poisoned.

So, how far down this rabbit hole are you?

I mean, do you churn your own butter?

Yes, I do.

I do make my own butter.

It's actually a super easy process.

So, yeah, I do churn my own butter.

Wow.

It's super easy?

Yeah, it is.

You just get heavy cream and you just, you can either shake it in a bottle.

That's an old-fashioned way.

You can churn it, or if you have a KitchenAid, you can just mix it until the buttermilk and the butter separates.

It's so easy.

Is there anything that, I mean, you have a washer and dryer, right?

Yes, I do.

Yeah, okay, good, good, good.

How far down this road

did you think you were going to go?

And how far down this road are you?

Like, what are the modern conveniences that you just don't use or do?

You know, I would say I am pretty far down the road.

So I am set up to be off grid if that is a scenario that comes up.

So I have my washer and dryer, but I also have a line outside that I can dry my clothes.

I have the ability to wash my clothes without a washer.

So I am set up to live without these modern conveniences.

but I still enjoy them if that right

yeah the best of both worlds

who are just like i'm i'm gonna live off grid and everything else but then they're also influencers and you're like well but

you know back in the 1800s they didn't have the internet so there's kind of a clash there

yeah yeah yeah so i agree so

What first turned you on to this lifestyle?

Why did you make this turn?

Well, four years ago, when we had COVID, the pandemic that erupted, going to the grocery store, I'm not sure if you had this experience, but seeing the empty store shelves, the fridges were barren, the freezers were barren, people were going crazy fighting over bags of dried beans.

And I still remember staring those empty shelves and I said, what am I doing here?

I am relying on a system that breaks so easily.

I have become dependent on this unreliable system.

And I said, I am never going to find myself in this situation ever again.

So that's what really spurred me and I think started to really awaken a lot of other people was COVID and seeing, hey, our food system is not reliable.

And

yeah.

Yeah.

You know, I sat down with the president of

Toyota Global

And I asked him right at the beginning of COVID, can you explain the just-in-time

production line,

the way we build things?

And it started with,

we don't want to have a warehouse.

We don't want to have to pay for a warehouse.

And he told me that the seats, let's say they're made in China, but they're assembled in America.

He said the seats don't arrive until 12 minutes before they're installed in the car, so they are taken off the truck and put.

And I said,

Who thought this was reasonable that this would never break down?

And he said, Well, it didn't.

And so, and he said, We were kind of trapped in it then.

I mean, people don't understand

if there's war, 19 out of the 20 or 21 biggest pharmaceuticals or medicine that we get, we get from China.

We can't even make it anymore.

That's not smart.

No, it's not smart.

And I feel like people are having that realization, especially with the pharmaceuticals, thinking about, okay, if the system fails, how am I going to survive?

I don't have the medicine or I don't have my food storage.

So that's been a big part for me is the food system, watching that breakdown.

So is this for,

I mean, do you have to have a lot of land to do this?

No.

So homesteading, and this, I talk about this so much online, homesteading is a mentality.

Homesteading is a lifestyle.

You do not need land to homestead.

You do not need land to become self-sufficient.

The best place to start doing this is in your kitchen.

cooking from scratch, having a little window cell garden, and learning these skills like how to build a food story, how to preserve food.

You don't need land to do that.

I have to tell you,

the image of what is behind you, A, it is beautiful.

I'm a visual guy.

It is absolutely beautiful behind you, but it also reminds me of my grandmother.

Probably would have been your great-grandmother now.

But, you know, they did these things.

My mom did these things.

They canned.

And,

you know, it was just normal in my family that you would put, you know, you'd go and pick the vegetables, you'd grow everything, and then you spent the summer canning it.

And so you had food for the rest of the year.

That was, according to my grandmother, what saved them during the Great Depression.

Yeah, absolutely.

And this is an inspiration from my great-grandma.

The stories that have passed down, the same thing, they grew all summer, had to preserve through the winter to feed her family of of 12.

And I think about this a lot.

There's this wisdom in this generation.

So, my great-grandparents, your grandparents, and then we had these generations of convenience.

And now, you have this younger generation that is trying to bridge the gap because they're seeing the system collapse.

I'm seeing the system collapse.

And so, now we're trying to get that wisdom of how to live self-sufficient again.

Yeah,

it is

not just that we're seeing it collapse.

I think we're seeing the real

bad fruits of this tree

starting to take root.

We're beginning to look at things

entirely different.

I mean, I think this is the biggest change

of

attitudes and perception in my lifetime.

And I've seen a lot in my lifetime.

Go ahead.

Oh, I was going to say that absolutely makes sense.

And that goes back to what you were saying of how you used to rely on big pharma.

I did too.

I ate the processed food, and now I'm waking up like, hey, I'm kind of seeing the bad fruits of what's going on.

This food isn't good for me.

These big pharmaceuticals aren't good for me.

That's what I was thinking when you were relating to that.

Where do you have a line?

First of all, when it comes to food, what differences have you seen in

yourself and others around you who are eating like this?

So

what I understand is you're asking like eating a more homestead, like cook from scratch kind of lifestyle.

Well, I've noticed I have lessened my dependence on the grocery store.

because I'm not going there to get the ultra-processed foods.

I'm paying attention to what is going into my body.

And because of that, I feel good.

Because of that, I look good.

Before I started to integrate these ways of life, like cooking from scratch, being aware of what is going into my body, I struggled with anxiety.

I had acne.

My hair was thin and falling out.

And now I feel good.

And now I'm looking good.

And I know that's from what I'm nourishing my body.

I know that's from how I've changed my lifestyle.

I've turned off

outside sources that were causing me stress and negativity and just brought it home.

So you must not have ever listened to me in the last four years.

I have actually.

I have.

You pop up.

Really?

Yes, you do.

Wow.

Wow.

I would think that would make your hair fall out because it's made mine fall out.

It's good to be aware.

It's good to be aware, but also keep your peace.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So when it comes to pharmaceuticals, where is your line?

I mean,

you know, there's some things it would be good to get rid of, some things that are causing us problems, but then then there's things like antibiotics.

So

my line is, if you think of if I got a cold, I will make

my own cold medicines.

So if I have a cough, I'm putting onion in honey and making my own cough syrup.

I don't do anything over the counter.

I really utilize herbs and essential oils.

But I do agree everything has a place.

And when it comes to pharmaceuticals, I think it's going to just be up to you and your body and what you feel comfortable with.

And, like you're saying, with antibiotics, if someone feels that is their need,

then I'm all for it.

That's where my well, but I mean, so if you got a, if you have a really bad infection, let's say you cut yourself and you're infected and you need to have antibiotics, would you use them?

You

so

if would I use antibiotics?

I guess if it was a thing, life or death,

I'm more focused on why am I getting that infection.

What is going on in my body that is going to make it so I am getting sick?

I'm very terrain-based in keeping my,

it means like my

I'm nourishing with proper minerals and vitamins.

I'm getting sunshine, I'm getting my vitamin D,

I am properly keeping myself stress-free.

So I don't have negativity in my life that is bringing me down energetically.

So I am keeping myself healthy.

I am keeping my terrain in a regulated environment.

And so I really look at the source of why I am getting sick.

I haven't been sick in over two years now.

And that's why you're saying if I got cut and got an infection, I would be concerned of like what's going on in my body that caused that.

Huh.

You know, I have a ranch.

I'm at my ranch now up in Idaho.

And I also live down in Dallas, Texas.

And I'm leaving the ranch and going back home to Dallas.

And I just feel better up here

mentally.

It's a huge difference when you're in a small town and people are connected to the land.

I love living around around farmers.

I mean, you know, when we first started looking for a place up in the mountains, everybody said, oh, you should go to Jackson Hole or you should, no,

no, that's New York with a mountain.

You know, living by farmers,

I have discovered what I rejected when I was a kid.

I couldn't wait to get away from the small town.

Farmers understand that you can do everything that you can do, and then you have to rely on God.

And if your crop fails, you have to rely on your neighbors.

And you want to take care of your neighbors because if they're having a hard time, you're going to have a hard time at some point.

And so

you take care of each other.

You don't have to talk

about and be so stressed about, oh, I got to have the talk with my kids.

My kids, you know, it starts with, why is that

animal on top of the back of that animal?

You know, it all, everything seems to make sense and your stress level goes way down.

Yeah, absolutely.

Everything you just said with integrating community and relying on God, I experience those things every day.

So while it can be stressful with animals getting out, fencing breaking down, I have that peace and I have that sense of community.

And that even reminds me, yesterday, I went to an organic apple orchard, a local apple orchard.

I'm very a big proponent of supporting local.

And so I went to this apple orchard, these apples, and I met with the orchard owner who was in his 80s.

And he bestowed all this wisdom on me on how to keep an organic apple orchard because that's what I want to do.

And just thinking about how there's this wisdom out there in your community, you just have to find it.

You just want to go out and seek seek it.

Yeah.

And it's, it's amazing how it's lost.

You know, I, I have a, uh, I have a car.

It's a, it's an old 1970s Jeep,

you know, an old Willie.

And I cannot keep this thing running.

And nobody knows why.

I mean, you can't plug it into a computer.

And literally, everybody's like, I don't know.

I mean, I had to go find an old guy who still was working on these cars.

That when we lose this knowledge, it's gone and we'd have to learn it all over again.

That's not a good thing to do.

No, it's not.

And you're saying learn it all over again, but would we be able to learn it all over again?

That's my question.

Or is the knowledge just forever with this generation?

Yeah.

So, what do you rely on for electricity?

I just have normal grid electric.

So I do have backup generators if power goes out for certain things, but I'm on the grid.

Do you want to change that?

You know, I am happy with my setup right now, but I am very focused on if power goes down and if power goes down for a long time and unforeseeable time i am still prepared and i can operate pretty much normally

okay

So,

you know, five years ago, 10 years ago, you would have been a complete oddball.

But now with the, you know, people your age, you're what, about 24.

You're not an oddball anymore, are you?

I wouldn't say so.

I feel like I started homesteading, like you said, four or five years ago.

And it was like, oh, like, what's she doing?

Building a food storage?

That's kind of crazy.

Like, you're really, you're a hoarder.

Yeah.

But I started to share online.

And I've seen this trend of homesteading really rise because people are wanting to reconnect with those roots.

Their wines become self-sufficient.

And it isn't such an oddball scenario anymore because people are looking around saying, hey, I need to get ready.

Yeah.

What is the define homesteading?

What does that mean exactly?

So when I say or when I think of homesteading, i'm thinking of self-sufficiency but also having a community so like when i'm talking about i can operate if the electricity goes down i can still wash my clothes i can still feed my family i can still cook so you're self-sufficient you are living in tune with your community you're supporting your neighbors like you had mentioned earlier That's what I think of homesteading.

It's really a lifestyle that you can have from anywhere and a mentality.

I will tell you, you know,

I live in a town of

about 450 people.

And we're a good 45 minutes away from any, you know, real store, you know, any chain.

And

we have all talked about

who has what?

who has what skill who has you know uh

you know expertise in this or has this piece of equipment?

The town just built a communal smokehouse and nobody knew how to build it or anything.

But we're starting to think, we're taking your idea probably a little further and saying, as a town,

how can we come together?

and share what we need to share to be able to get through tough times.

There's a town probably 20 minutes from here that everybody has a job

to make pizza.

Somebody is growing the wheat.

Somebody is learning how to grind it.

Somebody is growing tomatoes.

Somebody has the oven.

And so this town of about 1,200 people, they know they can survive with each other.

Because everybody has a skill that can give them some sort of food.

It's an amazing thing.

Yes, it is.

And I feel like that's in our human nature.

I don't think humans were meant to sit in cubicles under artificial lighting in the cities.

We were meant to have these communities, like you're saying.

And I've done that here on a smaller scale with my neighbors where we've met together and we've talked about skills and plans.

If there's ever an emergency situation that arises, that's what I advocate for.

That's the dream.

Yeah.

So you said that you felt like you were living in the Matrix and the matrix imprisoned you can you explain that and

tell me why you felt that way and

so when i am talking about the matrix a good example is the food that we are eating if you go and look at a loaf of bread in the store you're going to see on there created with bioengineered ingredients and a long list of ingredients 20 plus ingredients that you can't pronounce and you're like man what going into my body right now or you turn tune on the turn on the tv and you're watching this media that is maybe warping your mind one way or the other you're being put into a position of being controlled also when i speak of the matrix i'm talking about the environment that you're living in it goes back to roman times right when they put on the big coliseum events kept the people entertained while all this stuff was going on in the background society collapsing yeah so that's what I'm talking about.

I don't want to be at the Coliseum.

I want to know what's going on and prepare for it.

And I'm very happy in doing.

You know, it's weird.

Companies,

when you hit about 120 people,

you

the company shifts because now

people are not

equipped

mentally and just

biologically.

We are not equipped to have relationships with more than,

you know, as it for your individual for more than like about 20 or 30.

And as a community, about 150 relationships and anything over that,

it all just falls apart.

And you can see companies as they grow, they will grow past 120 or 150.

And some of them survive that, some of them don't.

There is something with A, social media overwhelming people with

friends.

You're not built to care

and to

be able to balance that kind of a friendship circle.

You're just not.

How do you balance that?

So balance, are you asking like how I balance having connection with so many people online?

And your thoughts of keeping your circle tighter

than so universal.

Yeah, so I do have an immediate tight circle and I'm very comfortable in that.

I'm very, I feel like this stems from being comfortable within myself.

I don't need a lot of friends to feel comfortable being out and about.

I'm very happy being home and introverted.

But when it comes to being online, I feel like I've been online for a while and I have been able to build a connection with a lot of people.

So I do see that where it says you can't have a connection with over 120 people.

But I think on a broader scale, if you are presenting your genuine self and you want to help people, you can create a connection.

I feel like you've created a connection with a lot of people.

So yeah, but I think it's different.

Like I don't,

and it's so easy to fall into this.

I don't read

comments generally,

especially if they're negative.

I am not living for the next like.

You know, I'm just being me.

And if you can grab something from that, that's great.

And if I can grab something from you, that's great.

But

it's not the number of people you interact with.

It's how you,

these are not friends.

You know what I mean?

These are people that you're just connecting with outside of the world.

And

when you lose sight of what real friends are and your inner circle, you don't make it.

Yeah, that is very true.

And I think that is a good line to draw.

And with the boom of social media, I feel like that line, like you're saying, has been blurred.

Like, what's a friend?

Where's my real connections?

But yeah, for me, online, I do like to respond to those comments.

I do like to forge connections and just help people in that sense, but I also do avoid the negativity, but I am aware of what's real and what's not for me.

So how much of this is that, that, you know, there's nothing real anymore.

We're questioning absolutely everything.

And when you are, when you're growing it yourself, when you're, you know,

you know, canning it yourself, When you're actually, I mean, I really believe that, you know, idle hands is the devil's playground.

I really believe there is something to hard physical work

that

just changes you.

It is very important

and we've missed a lot of that.

And

when you are doing that, you're working with your hands, you're working especially with the soil or what you consume,

you know what's real.

It's hard to explain.

Have you felt that way?

That you don't have a problem with reality?

Yeah, no, absolutely.

And I feel like what you're saying with feeling what's real, I pictured when every day I go out and milk my goats.

And so I have this picture, this connection to the milk that I drink.

Whereas if you go to the grocery store and you just pick up a jug of milk, you don't know the animal that it came from.

You don't know the farm that it came from, what the state of those animals were.

So you do have this mental sense of reality and also this physical sense of reality.

So that is what I am thinking.

It has been really mentally uplifting, physically uplifting.

You know, you're solving these tasks in your head and then you're mentally and physically going to do them.

So I don't drink a lot of milk, but my kids do.

Talk to me about raw milk because, you know, I grew up, it's got to be homogenized.

And the way the government is taking down the Amish is absolutely incredible to me.

People that have never had a problem, nobody they serve has ever gotten sick from their food, but the government has got to stop these Amish people.

Tell me what the deal is with raw milk and why it's so much better for you.

Well, so raw milk, and this is such a loaded question, but I love it.

I love raw milk.

So let's start.

Raw milk and the pasteurizing movement, that I view was a real disconnect from people and their farmer.

So just like what I was saying, I can go and get milk, raw milk from my farmer.

I see the cows in the field.

I know the practices that they are using to get the raw milk.

They have a clean environment.

But now when you go to the store again, you don't know that.

You don't see the animals.

Most likely these animals are in diseased conditions and then they pasteurize it because you don't want milk from a diseased animal.

So they pasteurize it, get rid of all the gunk, and then they serve that to you at the store.

So we've lost that connection.

And then also the big dairy industry is such a huge cash cow, literally.

So

you have this disconnect.

Except local dairies, local dairies are in trouble.

That's true.

Yeah.

That's true.

Okay.

What's interesting is I have

where I'm at is farmland and it used to be dairies everywhere.

And I talked with an old farmer, and I was like, hey, what happened?

Because it's very dilapidated now.

All the dairies got taken out.

And he spoke about how the government came in and started offering incentives.

And they just took out the dairy industry and they took it to this big, mainstream, big dairy.

we have this disconnect from our farmer and I feel like when they start disconnecting us from our local farmers, we then depend on this big system and we see them fail like we saw four years ago.

Also, raw milk, it has all these vitamins, minerals, fats, and when you pasteurize it, the enzymes and the carrier proteins are wiped out.

So when you have the pasteurized milk, you may still have the vitamins and minerals in it, but your body can't absorb them.

Your body doesn't know what to do with them because they don't have the carrier protein.

They don't have the enzyme.

So then your intestines are like, oh, I'm actually going to have a reaction.

We're now going to be lactose intolerant and you're going to get sick every time you drink pasteurized milk.

And what I've found with my raw milk is it's easier to digest.

I have friends who have tried it who were lactose intolerant and they could digest it.

So there is some really amazing, miraculous thing in this raw milk that our ancestors have drank for thousands of years and was, I believe, by God, the land of milk and honey.

Yes, I have to tell you too.

I mean, when I was growing up in the 70s, I didn't know anybody who was allergic to a peanut.

And I remember when they first started showing up, I was like, what is wrong with you have a peanut allergy thinking that it was just an isolated thing.

With all of the allergies that are going on, you cannot tell me that did not come from our lifestyle and our foods.

It had to have.

Absolutely.

I absolutely agree with you.

You look at the ingredients and you wonder, well, it starts to make sense why everyone's so sick and has such weird allergies.

So you're a big proponent of locally sourced meat.

I am as well.

I have cattle

and

I like the local butcher because I know him.

I know.

you know his facility i know the quality of beef i'm getting especially if it's mine um

but i'm also a big fan of them because there's only four processing plants and three of them are owned by foreign countries in America.

And it is not good.

Two of those processing plants are also, you know, coming up with the bugs to eat and also the non-meat meat.

I don't trust that.

That is...

That's big meat and it needs to be

broken up.

But it's hard to get a meat processing plant in your area now.

Yeah, it is.

And but that is why I advocate so much online is find your local butcher.

So I even feed my dogs raw dog food and I support my local butcher by buying from them or I even go and dumpster dive from them.

Yeah, get the scraps and that's what I grind myself into their food.

But it is again reconnecting with our local communities and supporting these people who aren't industrialized and commercialized and are real local families.

So butchers are so crucial.

Yes.

I will tell you that

I have German shepherds and I was shocked to

be told the truth that, you know, up until the 60s or 70s,

The main food that dogs got was just scraps from the table and they were fine.

And now you're being taught scraps are bad for your dog.

That's really, really bad.

Don't do that with your dog.

That's the opposite of the truth.

It is the complete opposite of the truth.

And you look at the cancer rates in animals just skyrocketing

on kibble.

Go look at the kibble, and it's soy, and it's cornmeal, and it's byproducts.

And there's constant recalls on their kibble because animals are dying and it's being covered up.

So, this is interesting because it's not only our food system that is being profited on, but also

our pets' food system.

And that makes me even more sad because they don't have a voice really.

They can kind of tell us how they're feeling, but they can't say, hey, I'm sick.

The food you're giving me is making me feel horrible.

Well, when I, because I started working with a supplement company and, you know, for dog food, for people who feed their dogs kibble food.

And when I realized that that stuff is sterilized by law, it has to sit on a shelf for two years plus.

If I fed my children something that was so sterilized that it could not decay at all in two years, they would not be healthy.

But that's what we're feeding our dogs.

That's what we're feeding our dogs.

And it's no wonder that cancer in dogs, cats, is completely skyrocketing other health ailments.

Well, I'm glad to hear you say that because I always just thought

that, I mean, because I know, you know, if my dog growing up would have had cancer, I don't think my folks would have said, well, let's put him on cancer treatment.

I mean,

you know, just A, you couldn't afford it.

So I've always wrestled with that.

What happened?

Why, why didn't I not realize, did we just not diagnose or did we just not look for that and cancer?

I didn't know that there is a huge increase in cancer in

animals.

Yeah, there is.

And so you just think of the pharmaceutical industry hasn't only infiltrated us, but it's also infiltrated our pets.

But this goes back to what I love so much is I go to my butcher and I get a big box, 80 cents a pound of organs.

So liver, heart.

I'm getting bones and stuff I could eat.

So I could eat that.

I could cook up the heart or the liver, but 80 pounds.

And when I share that online, people are like, wow, you were getting the best parts.

Why are you giving it to your dog?

But if you just go to your local area and you start looking around, you can find these sources too, like I am.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

So let me switch gears.

Before I switch gears, I just want to wrap this part of the interview up with: there are people that are calling for an end to modernity.

And depending on who you're talking to, some of them believe an end to everything

post-Enlightenment, that even the Enlightenment was a bad thing that happened to human beings.

I strongly disagree that

learning how to scientifically you know, study things and prove one is better than the other and questioning everything, I have a hard time believing that is bad.

But you're a believer in

the scientific method and modernity, just not all of it, correct?

Yeah, I would say, you know, it boils down to who's funding, what is the purpose of the study, more that, because I do dive into scientific research and I will share things that I find online.

So yeah, I am totally into that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, I, it kills me that, you know, some scientists say, you know, there is no God.

If God

exists, he is the chief scientist.

He is the chief mathematician.

I mean, it's too accurate to not have

whoever created it be really in tune with math and science.

Anyway, so let me let me change subject.

There's something else

that I think you consider yourself as that I

think I understand, but I'm not sure.

And that is trad wives.

What is a trad wife?

Do you consider yourself a trad wife?

And

how does that manifest?

Yeah, so I would consider myself a trad wife.

And I feel like that trend has been on the rise.

And that's more, if you think of, you know, our great grandmas or our grandmas who were at home and they were tending to the home and the children and making the meals, preserving the food.

So that's how I look at it.

And I am making the home my centerpiece.

I am preserving the food, tending to the garden.

And I know there are different ways that people look at that, but that is what's important to me.

And yeah, I guess I would consider myself a trad wife in that sense, but I also do have a work ethic where I have no problem going out.

If I had to go and get a job or whatever, I would still play with that.

But our grandmothers did that too.

I mean, my grandmother, you know, they worked in the factories when the men were gone for the war.

I mean, you know,

and that is not a...

Is this a pushback do you see on feminism?

Or what is this a pushback on?

I would say it is a pushback on the movement of feminism.

So a lot of people view feminism as a way of taking the woman out of the home, getting another tax-paying entity in the house.

So it's not the father anymore who's paying taxes.

You also have the mom.

And then who's raising the children?

The children are off in government schools or daycares being raised by other people that you don't know.

So this Tradwife movement is a pushback on that and saying, hey, there was a role for the woman in the home and they're trying to take that back.

So

my mother was born in,

I don't remember, 38, something like that.

And

she was

too old to be a burn your bra kind of person, but she was too young to be my grandmother, who, you know, didn't know how to drive or anything else.

And once you drive an old 1950s or 40s truck, you know why women didn't drive.

I didn't want to drive that truck.

But anyway,

and she really had a hard time because she didn't fit either side.

She had desires to do things, but she was just at the tail end of that traditional housewife.

It wasn't right for her.

And she didn't see herself as a,

you know, as a

strong feminist.

She didn't want all of that.

She didn't reject men.

What do you say to people?

How would we balance this?

I guess

when it's an absolute, it's always bad.

But when there's choice and you could do whatever, it's good.

Is that how you balance it?

Yes, I absolutely love the ability to have a choice.

And I feel like I align with that.

Was your mom, right?

Who was right in the middle?

I feel like I align with that because I was born in the time where I need to go to university, I need to get a job, I need to have a degree, and which I did get a degree, and I was pursuing a medical field, but I didn't really want to do that.

And now I'm returning to my roots, but I also work because I have my own skincare company, tallow-based, all-natural that I do and I work on every single day.

So I'm somewhere in the mix of that too.

I'm working, but I also have these trad wife elements in my life.

How many kids do you have?

I don't have any.

Don't have any.

You are married, though?

No.

You're not married yet.

You plan on being married and having kids?

Yes, absolutely.

What is important

in a man for you?

What are the things, the qualities

that are really important to you?

Well, we talked about the matrix earlier.

So someone who would be able to see the system that I see,

how our food is poisoning us.

Someone who is able to realize that what you see on TV

is not always real, fabricated.

There's a war for your mind.

So someone who understands that.

Someone who is able to work hard is driven.

Someone who has drive.

They're not just okay

with staying in something that they're not completely happy with, but constantly chasing something.

Someone who wants to also have children.

and raise them with good values, hard work, work ethic, pass on those things.

So that's what I think of is someone who would be like-minded.

I feel like it would be difficult to be with someone who is consuming ultra-processed food, who doesn't quite want to be on a homestead.

That's what I think.

And

children, how are you thinking that you at this point?

You know, it's just kind of out there, but how will you raise your children?

Will you homeschool?

What are you thinking?

So homeschool, most definitely.

I feel like if we look at the public education system, there are quite a few problems there.

And you send your kid off

to sit in a desk under artificial lighting.

Homeschool, absolutely.

And in my community, there's a lot of homeschoolers.

There's actually a lot of Amish as well.

And I intermingle with a lot of these different

communities.

and I see how they raise their kids.

And I'm very inspired by that.

I watch the farmer who comes out to my field, who I let, he pastures his cows and he brings his little boys with him.

And they're out there herding the cows.

They are interacting with me on a,

yeah, they're young and they have this amazing conversational skills that they are using with me.

And so there is something.

with kids watching their parents interact daily with other people doing business transactions.

And so I I 100% plan to homeschool my kids.

I will tell you that, you know, I,

when I was at the,

when I was living in New York and everything, that city never sleeps.

And I didn't.

I had a physical ailment, but I didn't go to the doctor because I didn't think it was an ailment because I was only sleeping about four hours a day.

And I thought that was a great advantage because I could get so much stuff done, didn't realize that's really bad for you.

And so as my body started to fall apart, I was like, oh, okay, okay.

But

when I was talking to somebody, because I was so incredibly busy, and I talked to a guy who was the head of,

he was the CFO for Citibank.

And before that, he was a CFO for American Express.

And he was always traveling.

He was.

always

someplace during the week.

And I said to him, how do you balance your life?

And he said, well, there is no such thing as balance because you're always cheating one for the other.

He said, I try to integrate my life.

And if I can, my kids come with me.

You know, and we just try to stay as a family and we do it all together as much as we can.

And I noticed, because I started doing that with my kids, my kids have talked to presidents and prime ministers and,

you know, farmers.

They can, they, and they,

if you don't treat your kids like kids, you know, you don't talk down to them, you just expect them to

participate in the conversation.

It's amazing how different they are.

Yeah, and I feel like exactly what you're saying is I see that here versus these communities, the Amish, there's German Baptist

and other homeschool groups, these kids versus kids who are in the schools all day.

There's a difference.

And I would not deny that.

It's almost night and day from my interactions, but there is this powerful truth of just not talking down to your kids, almost having expectations.

And I see it.

So when my kids turn 16,

you know, the schools demanded that they have a phone and that they have an iPad.

And

I know, I know.

And it changed them entirely.

Things that weren't real suddenly became very important.

And even their conversations changed.

They were,

it was just bizarre.

How are you going to,

you know, when you're older and your brain has settled, it's still very dangerous.

But if you have your wits about you, you can navigate like, you know, you obviously do.

How are you going to deal with technology with your kids?

You know, I have thought a lot about that because screens are addictive.

And I have no clue what the technology is going to look like in 10 years.

But I've also thought about how I have a social media presence.

I plan to never share my kids online because I feel like that could be dangerous for them.

They don't have, you know, consent on if they want to be a part of my social media.

I do feel like because I've been online for a while and done social media, I will have a better grasp of what is going on in their online lives on their phones.

And

I really want to navigate that screen time.

I feel like can you avoid it?

It can be avoided in some scenarios, but technology is a part of life.

And I feel like if I never learned to use it at such a young age, I would not be where I'm at.

So it is a delicate line to walk of safety, of lessing what is reality, like what we talked about earlier.

And what you're saying with like kids, I feel like that's even harder for them to decipher.

They're seeing this super edited image on their phone and they're like, oh, well,

pretty as them or my hair is not as perfect.

So helping them navigate into that.

I mean, I don't know if you're probably not old enough to remember, but the big debate, especially for women, was the beauty magazines and the images of women and they could never live up to that.

Look at what the filters do.

Look at the manipulation.

And I've noticed that people, it's so fascinating.

I'll be out in a crowd and I'll be watching, you know, I was at a football game recently and I was watching these younger people take pictures of themselves all over, and they would take them as a group, and all of a sudden they'd smile and have that pose that you've seen on social media, all of them.

And the minute it's taken, it stops.

And they don't ever pose like that.

They don't ever, it's not real.

It is, uh, it's so dangerous and intoxicating

because it's because it's not who you you are.

It's not real.

It's not a candid photo.

I don't think candid photos even really exist very much anymore.

I completely agree with that.

And I pictured that in my head.

I know exactly what you're talking about with that scenario.

And they're done.

They go back to their phones.

And you're like, where's the interaction?

I call it zombie.

Like it's very just zombie.

Mindlessly droning.

And it's like you're just sucking your mind into your phone online and you're disconnecting disconnecting from what's actually going on around you and i feel like that's a bigger agenda in and of itself yes of phones just taking our reality away from us uh i could it's funny you call them zombies because i i walk in and i'll see my kids on the phone or whatever and i'll say hey crack addicts how are you um because it's really like crack they just you try to take somebody's phone away um

And it is, it's like, I'm an alcoholic.

I'm a recovering alcoholic.

It would be like somebody saying, you know what?

I'm just pouring all of this alcohol down the drain.

No, no, no.

I mean, I would have gone into full-fledged panic.

And I think that's the way a lot of people deal with social media and their phones.

They, you know, my wife says,

you know,

because she

is

in a good way.

She is constantly texting and everything else.

And she'll say,

I'll say, honey, honey, stop.

And she'll say, honey,

I have to take care of these things.

Our life is more complicated now.

These didn't make our lives easier or better.

They made them much more complicated.

And, you know, I'll say to her, you know,

we did fine before the phone.

We can, you know, I don't carry a phone.

I don't have a phone.

I don't want a phone.

If somebody, if, you know, it's kind of like people who, you know, will judge me and say well he's really just

you know what call me if you dis if I've said something that really offends you call me and if you say well I don't have your number then you're not a close enough friend to be able to feel justified in judging me you know

it's just a different world go ahead

It is a different world.

And thinking about that, we have such instant access to people.

Like what you're saying, someone could tap you who they just have your phone number, they're not even close with you and say, hey, I'm offended.

But back in the day when I was just the dial phones, you didn't have that instant access to people.

And so when we have that instant access and we have all these things to do, these phones, these tablets have really made our lives more complex.

I completely see that.

The aspect I really don't like is that instant access that somebody can have to you through phone, the message, and then why aren't you replying?

Well, I don't have to.

It was interesting to me, as bad as the COVID shutdowns were,

for my family, it was actually good.

I mean,

we all stayed together.

We played games together.

It was much more like it was when I was growing up,

where everything was just slowed way down.

And all of us at the end said,

I'd prefer this than going back.

Yet everybody went back.

Everybody went back.

Everybody did go back.

And I feel like that's, oh, sorry.

No, go ahead.

No, no, no.

With working from home, so many people worked from home and they had that element like you were talking about.

They were with their families.

They had more family time.

And it was rewarding.

And so when that finally came back and the companies were calling people back into the office, they were like, why, why do I have to go back?

I just made it work outside the office.

And this was so amazing.

It boils down to I don't think people are made for that.

We're made to be with our families and function as these units.

Do you ever feel like our society is

so far down the road that there's just no turning back?

That there's just

it can't be be fixed.

Mass scale.

Yes, I do feel like that.

And I know that's very doom and gloom.

I do feel like it is pretty far down the drain and it's scary to see where it's going.

But with knowing that, it's still good to have your foot on the ground.

It's still good to find that happiness with your family, with yourself first.

with your family, with your community, go outside and enjoy the sunshine every morning, hear the birds birds chirp.

And so finding this peace within yourself, within your area of life,

but also being aware of what's going on.

And yes, I do feel like that.

Do you?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, I do.

But I have faith that

remnants, the right remnants, can be saved.

But it's going to be a real struggle because there is going to be this ability to be taken care of and to be to unplug from everything you know with AI and everything that is coming with that.

You know, there's some of the

Yaval Harari, who is a terrifying scientist,

he is a guy who is a futurist and he has been saying, We're just going to have to keep the people

on gaming and drugged because there's not going to be real meaning for life because they're not going to be doing very much.

So

how do we keep them going?

That is a terrifying outlook.

We should probably reconsider if you have to take a large portion of the public and keep them drugged and

addicted to gaming.

We probably shouldn't be pursuing that.

That's a horrible trajectory to think about.

And then that boils down to our individual selves because where does change start?

It starts with us.

And that's going to be the motivation within oneself to say, hey, I don't want to be addicted to drugs and gaming for the rest of my life.

I don't want that for my kids.

So what can I do now?

So I feel like these changes need to be made now so we don't end up like that.

One last question.

You want to homeschool your kids.

You have a skincare business.

You churn your own butter.

You think you're going to be able to do all of those at the same time?

Yes.

I absolutely know I'll be able to do all of them.

It boils down to scheduling for me.

And I have this drive, Glenn.

I've always had this drive ever since I was younger.

If I want something and

I'm going to figure out however I can to go and get it.

So when I see an obstacle, I figure out a problem or I figure out the solution for the problem and I do it.

So looking at all these things of my homesteading life, I mean, there is always things going wrong, fences, cows getting out.

Yeah.

Prospect of homeschooling one day and my skincare business.

I'll figure out solutions.

And that's what I encourage online.

I get so many questions.

How can I do this?

Or I can never do this.

Yes, you can.

The change starts with you.

You just need to want to do it.

I'd love to meet you in person sometime and have one of your home-cooked meals.

You're wonderful.

Hey, wonderful.

It requires me to go to the Pacific Northwest, though, doesn't it?

Yeah, it will.

I'm in Idaho.

That's probably as close as I want to get to my old

stomping ground because it has changed so much.

But thank you for being part of positive change.

God bless you.

Thank you.

You too.

Bye-bye.

Bye.

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