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What is your problem, Stu?

What is your problem?

Nothing.

We'll talk about that a little bit later.

So the debate is tonight.

Yes, it is.

And it is going to be an interesting one.

I don't think it can live up to the standards of the last one.

I just don't think it can get to that level.

But wouldn't it be nice?

I think so.

Well, as long as it doesn't happen in the opposite direction, yes.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

uh but uh there is a chance that either one of them could just step on a landmine

it's very possible and i'm concerned i will say are you concerned what's your concern level one to ten glenn beck concern level going into tonight uh because it's american politics and the stakes are so high 1 to 10 100 yeah

i'm kind of there i don't know if we're there for the same reasons whatever because i mean the stakes are super high.

So, obviously, you're concerned.

Yeah, but that's 99% of it.

Right.

Your concern is not Kamala Harris is an amazing debater.

No.

Right.

No, it's just that,

you know,

she's going to be doing everything she can just to get under his skin.

I mean, that is literally

the plan is to get under his skin, make him angry so he says something.

Yep.

And, you know,

I just hope that he is

as good as he was on the last debate.

Yes.

As far as knowing what the situation is and knowing

what's going on.

A lot of it is about awareness in that moment.

And that is probably what Trump is best at in these debates.

Like you think back to the,

well,

you'd be in jail that moment with Hillary Clinton.

Like that was him just picking apart the conversation in the moment.

He's very good at that.

He's obviously not as skilled at going after policy details.

That's not what his game is um i bet it will be tonight

i bet it will be tonight i mean that is that

what is your plan is what's your plan let's talk about details yeah what's your plan right asking about them constantly like him trying to recite parts of health care laws is not is not a good approach for Donald Trump.

It's not going to be good for her either.

No.

And she's getting, she is the reverse of Trump.

She's much worse in the moment.

She's much worse realizing what's going on.

The only thing she's going to try to do, I think, in this debate is to make Donald Trump,

you know, lure him into either some sort of quote-unquote sexist, quote-unquote, racist moment that she can exploit.

I mean, you go back to that Mike Pence debate where she said, excuse me, Mr.

Vice President, I'm speaking.

And it's like,

okay, we know you're speaking.

The problem is the words that are coming out of your mouth, right?

Like, it's not that you're speaking.

If you were saying true things, you wouldn't wouldn't need to be interrupted, but you're lying constantly.

But that is the type of moment that they're going to try to get out of this.

And to be clear, the media is going to try to magnify that into something that it's not.

Oh, ABC is so bad.

So bad.

Did you see the numbers on ABC?

Unbelievable.

I'm trying to, let me see if I can find it real quick.

So, ABC

is

absolutely the most biased out of all of them.

They are so much more worse.

Is that right?

More worse.

They're worse than NBC.

And that's saying something.

Really?

Yeah.

According to

a watchdog group.

V Research Center, I think it was.

Yeah, I think it was.

They watched CBS.

They tracked CBS, ABC, and NBC.

CBS was actually the most fair and balanced out of the three.

I think it had a score in the 70s.

And what they scored was,

is there any, is it balanced?

Is there the other side ever being shown?

Is the anchor ever giving the benefit of the doubt?

Are they saying something positive?

Or is it just all negative?

On Kamala Harris, it was 100% positive coverage.

100%.

Well, it wasn't 110% positive.

No, you're wrong.

It could have been worse.

It could have been possible.

Well, no, actually, it can't be.

That is unbelievable.

So here it is.

No, actually, NBC was best.

71% with

NBC.

71% positive.

It's the best.

Positive.

Yeah.

The best number.

The best number is 100%.

No, but I'm saying

for fairness.

Yeah, the best one was 71% positive.

71%.

Then 94% for CBS.

ABC, 100%.

And what's the time period on this?

They didn't say one negative thing.

Yeah.

Since?

Since?

She became the candidate.

Oh, my God.

Yeah.

That's over a month.

I know.

50 days now?

Yeah.

100%.

Now, Trump's negative coverage,

77% on CBS, 86% on ABC.

Oh, my God.

These are terrible.

Uh-huh.

Uh-huh.

But

nobody even came close.

I mean, think about that.

100%.

I have to, you have to think about it.

Are they this incompetent?

How have they ever lost an election?

With this environment, how do you lose elections?

Well, I don't know if it's ever been this bad.

Yeah.

You know,

it's now it is, it's just lies.

I mean, they've always gotten stories wrong and they're like, well, yeah, that's not the way way you frame that story.

You know what I mean?

That's the way it used to be

and then some lies now it is non-stop.

If I hear that very fine people thing

one more time.

How many times can they do this?

Oh my gosh.

And they just keep getting away with it.

Did you see the one that they tried on JD Vance?

No.

Where they're like JD Vance, quote, shootings are just a fact of life.

Oh my gosh.

I see you.

Are you kidding me?

That's not

That's not what he did.

Not what he said.

In context, he made a big deal about how horrible this was.

What a tragedy this shooting was.

And he said, unfortunately, and I don't like this.

Shootings have become part of life.

Yeah, a fact of life.

And we've got to stop it.

But if you take all the context out and just say fact of life, it looks like you're just this jerk who wants people to die and doesn't try to hide.

Hey, whatever.

Those kids were killed.

It's a fact of life you know what i mean let's build all schools near a mountain so they have high ground for all the assassins it's like no that's not what he said almost that yeah and it's like they they all know what they're doing this this is the um donald trump we're gonna have a bloodbath

dot dot dot in the economy yeah but they just say bloodbath i mean like this is stuff that is right they all know what they're doing right here this is not like mistakes it's not like oh this was taken out of context they are intentionally trying to sink his campaign because they hate him.

And I don't know that they love Kamala Harris, honestly.

I just, she's just the other thing.

Well, that quote really originated with the Associated Press.

And I don't know if you saw this, but

the Babylon Bee has put a list together of all the things that the AP has said in the past,

and they still stand by it.

For instance, Franklin Delano Roosevelt,

according to the AP, the only thing we have, dot, dot, dot, is fear itself.

So

Neil Armstrong, that's one small dot, dot, dot man.

So

it was a height?

That was a height speech.

Wayne Gretzky, you miss 100% of the shots you, dot, dot, dot, take.

So you shouldn't even try.

Yeah, is what he's saying.

Donald Trump, I can't believe he came out and said it, but as reported by the AP, I am literally dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot, Hitler.

Oh, my gosh.

Yes.

He said that.

Yeah.

So he's not even saying he endorses the policies of Hitler.

He's saying he's actually the man.

And let me tell you, John F.

Kennedy is practically Kamala Harris.

John F.

Kennedy.

Ask not, period.

So you shouldn't even bother asking.

Don't even ask.

Don't even ask.

How about this one?

Martin Luther King.

I have a dream that one day, dot, dot, dot, little boys will be, dot, dot, dot, little girls.

Oh, so he's for this gender stuff.

Reverend.

He was for

all of this gender stuff?

Yes.

I'm glad they uncovered that.

And then, of course, you know, you want to talk about weird.

Thomas Jefferson, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that men are dot, dot, dot, endowed, dot, dot, dot, well.

Oh, wow.

Yeah.

I thought that was Abraham Lincoln they were talking about with those things.

Patrick Henry, give me death.

Wow.

franklin roosevelt again december dot dot dot will live in infamy just the whole month anti-christmas just anti-christmas uh and of course bill clinton i did dot dot dot that woman which is actually kind of that one's actually a good summary

that was right on the

you know what they're what they're doing is they're changing history in real time

they really truly believe that hitler was right when he said, you say a lie long enough, loud enough, people will begin to believe it's the truth.

I mean, there's no other reason to keep saying very fine people other than...

And they know they're lying on that.

Yeah.

And they know they're lying.

And they might think that, you know, secretly it's what he really believes.

They might really, they may actually apply those things to him.

I think

it's made me believe that.

Yeah.

You know, I was going to say, you know why they believe that?

Not based on any fact, but just what they think.

Yeah.

You know, he believes that.

Yeah.

You know, what kind of people do they hang around all the time?

The worst people that have ever been created.

Oh, okay.

Well, that explains it.

Maybe it's because they're surrounded by all the most awful people that have ever existed.

Yeah.

And they have, and their experience tells them that everybody on Earth is a scumbag.

Right.

Because that's all they're surrounded by.

And actually,

we know that to be true.

We work in those circles.

Yeah,

not a lot of home runs there on the people front.

No home runs on the people front.

That's an interesting way to describe multiple cities.

I think it's pretty accurate.

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So

vibes and joy hasn't worked out real well for Kamala.

So

I don't know.

I think it's worked out pretty well so far.

She's back in the race after they had no chance at all of winning.

Just say vibes and joy over and over again, and you're back to a tie.

That's a positive outcome for them.

Isn't it?

I mean, it's disappointing for that sanity.

We're really that stupid.

We really.

Sarah's looking at me, just shaking her head like, absolutely.

Yes, we are.

Well, anyway, so her plan is tonight, just say as many times as possible, Trump is a felon.

And I've put felons away, so I know felons.

I know their type.

She says it at every speech.

And they just like, it's at that point now where people start clapping before she even gets through it.

Cause she's just, it's like her catchphrase.

And like, what do you mean you know, what are you talking about?

What?

What on earth are you even referring to?

We all know that this case in New York was BS.

And wait a minute, wait a minute.

Sarah,

do we all know, do we all know that this case in New York was BS?

No.

No.

You're correct.

When I say all, and I'm referring to all American voters, they definitely don't know.

Yes.

Because, of course, the media has not informed them of this fact.

Correct.

And they haven't bothered to look.

Right.

And they're a little.

And quite honestly, they're a little busy with maybe their third job trying to get something that they can scrape together to go buy groceries or gas, you know, fight off the illegal immigrants, you know, all of that stuff.

Protect their cats, protect their cats, all the stuff that is just, you know, in everyday American life now.

Right.

That's a big part of it.

So, yes, you're right.

They don't all know that.

But that might be her.

I don't think he's going to have trouble with that attack.

If that's what she's going, I think, like, what she needs to do is try to goad him into saying something

that is going to

make him look like a heartless, sexist, racist.

And, you know, again, if he decides to say, well, actually, you're not as black as you say you are, I mean, she'll win.

I mean, if he goes down those roads, she's going to win.

She is not as incompetent as Biden.

And that is a big, big line.

This is going to be more difficult in theory.

She will have some prepared stuff that she has not released.

She's very disciplined in that way.

Right.

And she's also

just her main strategy is piss him off.

Piss him off.

And she will have some lines

specifically diagnosed to do that.

I am a bit mildly somewhat concerned on

Trump's energy level.

You know, he is...

He probably will be fine on this.

And he's always been fine in these moments.

What are you saying?

Are you what I'm saying?

And I'm serious about this.

I am legitimately concerned about it because it's the reverse of last time last time everyone got to see two people on the stage one of them looked completely like he was going to fall asleep and the other one looked fine but when you put someone who's 25 years younger whatever she is 20 23 years younger than he is on stage she looks younger than him she's he's she's gonna make the older one now she's gonna make He's the older one now.

And America's going to look at that.

And if I like, I watched his economic speech the other day.

And look, he phones it in on teleprompter.

Trump does not care about the teleprompter parts of these things.

He hates it.

He starts reading these things.

He gets to two or three paragraphs.

Then he goes off on a rant.

And that's when he actually looks like he's engaged.

But like, he did not look engaged at all in that speech.

You know, you've watched him on some of those.

He's just like, he's phoning it in.

And look, I get it.

The man has a very busy schedule.

He is in his late 70s.

And also, he was just shot.

Like, I don't know what you'd even go through, but I am concerned.

Like, I hope he comes out with that full Trumpian energy.

I read this the exact opposite.

I think

shooting has made him

more thoughtful.

That might be it.

I think he is

he knows the consequences and he knows he's been saved for some reason.

You know, and I don't think it's to open another hotel.

Might be, but I don't think so.

It's the world's greatest hotel, maybe.

It is.

I read his, quote, low energy that the media seems to be all over as he's changed.

I've seen him several times in person since the shooting.

I've seen him maybe three times in a minute.

Yeah.

Okay.

I mean, he is,

he really has a command of everything.

That's good.

And I really, truly believe in the interactions that I've had, the seeing of him, the listening to him in person,

it's a change of attitude.

So you think my you can push aside my pessimism.

You think I don't have to worry about this?

No, I don't think so.

Good.

I don't think so.

I think it's actually...

I don't want to worry about it.

I don't want to worry about myself.

I think he's actually going to be better with her because of that.

Because he's

a little more gentle.

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He was.

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No, no.

Glenn is actually in the midst of a streak here, which is pretty freaking impressive.

How much weight have you lost, Kenny?

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What?

He's lost 52 pounds.

Yeah.

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He's.

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Yeah.

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They're good.

I mean, somebody's got to pick up that mantle.

It's been gone since 2016.

Well, he was in a current reference 20 years before he died.

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Anyway, anyway.

So tonight.

So tonight.

Tonight.

The big debate.

What do you think?

What do you think?

What do you think?

I just, I hope he sticks to policy.

I hope Donald Trump sticks to policy and tries to pin her down on

what was the pivot point for you?

You know, the question that you've asked for years.

What was your pivot point?

Why have you changed on absolutely everything?

You stand the opposite policy position on virtually everything you've ever outlined.

Where was your pivot point?

Reportedly.

We don't know that for a fact.

She doesn't say it.

Right.

The only one she actually said was fracking, right?

She said she no longer supports the fracking ban.

Yeah.

In that Danabash interview.

She hasn't.

She hasn't got it.

Well, she did.

Yes.

There is one other thing, and that's the ban on plastic straws.

She apparently has announced, she's no longer in favor of the plastic straw.

I have to tell you, she hasn't announced that.

That was another statement, Lisa.

Oh, it's just a statement.

She hasn't actually announced that.

She hadn't come out and said the straw thing yet.

Was it on the website, though?

Because some of the stuff has come out on the website.

Yes, he did actually launch a policy page for the first time,

which is interesting.

By the way,

I wouldn't vote for anybody who wants paper straws.

I don't care if they, if they were, if it was Ronald Reagan part two,

I would not vote for if he was like, I want zero taxes, but I want paper straws.

No, you're not getting my vote.

I have to tell you, what do they say?

Because like dolphins choke on it or something?

There's no, there's no reason for it.

Nobody is.

It's just because they wind up in the ocean.

Yeah, they wind up in the air.

500 million a day.

Merth care stats.

Nine-year-old kid stat.

It was legitimately a statistic that came from a child.

A child in a book report.

A project for school.

Sorry, Glenn Cole.

I mean, I just don't.

If you have ever used a paper straw, we celebrated.

I used to use them as a kid.

Remember?

Yes.

We had paper straws.

We didn't have plastic straws.

I thought that was a newfangled thing.

I didn't know.

No.

I didn't know.

I've always been around.

Yeah, we went.

Just for different reasons.

Yeah.

So, because we had to change it because, you know, we're cutting down too many trees with too much plastic.

No, they sucked.

That's why.

Or didn't suck.

You know, they were really, they were very bad.

And I got to tell you, I don't care what your reason is.

I don't care if people in Florida are born with plastic straws shooting out of their eyes.

I'm good with it.

I want my plastic.

Exactly.

If each plastic straw we used killed a family member of mine, I still want them.

That's where I am on it.

Yeah.

That is, it's probably my most extreme issue.

I hate them.

Has there ever been an American citizen that has gotten through one single drink with one of those straws?

No.

Has it ever occurred?

No.

It's always two or three straws because they close up.

They're the worst.

Anyone who would entertain this, it's like it's disqualifying for you as a leader.

So

here's what Donald Trump's challenge is tonight, and this apparently is his strategy, is to hold her accountable for everything that is going on.

And it's not hard.

Listen to this.

This is 2021.

Listen, come on.

That is why also,

starting with our administration, we gave TPS temporary protected status to Haitian migrants, 55,000.

And then more recently, we extended temporary protected status to over 100,000 Haitian migrants for that very reason, that they need support, they need protection.

I think that's all you should say after that.

I don't think that's a good approach.

I'm going to go with Neil.

How about, hey, so you're very proud of the Haitian immigrant thing?

How's that working out, Ohio?

I wonder.

That's the type of thing I could see her trying to get him going on.

So he says some mistake.

Yeah, but there's no defense for, you've got a town of 58,000 people where you dumped 20,000 immigrants into definitely no I don't care where they're from you can't do that

you can't do that who the hell do these people think they are

how is it that they how is it that our government just thinks it's okay to take our towns and just change the makeup of them overnight overnight overnight it's insanity by the way so that was Kamala in uh in 21.

Cut three is J.D.

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Chairman Brown, I'd like to ask unanimous consent to submit a letter for the record from the city of Springfield and our state,

the southwestern part of our state, which I think highlights a very real example of this particular concern, straight from the horse's mouth itself.

Now, this letter, I want to quote from it: Springfield has seen a surge in population through immigration that has significantly impacted our ability as a community to produce enough housing, opportunities for all.

Springfield's Haitian population has increased 15 to 20,000 over the last four years in a community of under under 60,000 previous residents, putting a significant strain on our resources and ability to provide ample housing for all of our residents.

And end quote there.

And Mike.

No objection, sorry.

Thank you.

In my conversations with folks in Springfield, it's not just housing.

They're trying to build 5,000 new housing units, which is...

a very Herculean task in a town of about 55,000 people, but it's also hospital services, it's school services, it's there's there are a whole host of ways in which this immigration problem I think is having very real human consequences.

I mean, that was from July.

That was from July.

They've been dumping people into our communities in the middle of the night.

They've been flying them in in the middle of the night, dumping them into our communities, changing the culture.

You know, I have to tell you,

this isn't racism.

I would be pissed off if in my town, what do you think we have in my town?

About 20,000?

Just in my town?

Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah, about 20 or 30,000.

You think less than that?

If they took and they added 30%

Californians, I'd be pissed off.

Yeah, it changes the political makeup of your area.

It just changes the culture entirely.

Yeah.

And, you know, for people who grew up in Springfield,

I liked my town.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And two, I think even if you added that percentage of people of any sort to a town of that size, it would be dramatic, right?

It is.

And those numbers are, I mean, I

reading the media coverage on it, they act like all of this is a lie.

Like, and there was that video that was put out there.

This is a lie.

That's what they say.

I mean, they just keep saying it's just racist.

People didn't, those people didn't come.

They came, but like, they're just, you know, they're lying about these cultural changes.

I don't care if they're from New York and they're all white people.

I don't care.

You'll change the makeup of my town.

You'll change the culture.

Anybody who is culturally different

and right now the blue, just the blue and red,

you take, would you be fine, New York, if all of a sudden the government just, I mean, we wouldn't do it.

It would be a civil war, but they started just importing into your city in, you know, New York City, 30% Texan.

Would you be fine with that?

Of course you wouldn't.

Of course you wouldn't.

Does that make you anti-Texan?

Yeah, probably in your case it does.

Does it make me

anti-Californian?

Yeah, in my case it does.

It's the cultural thing.

We don't agree on what the culture should be like.

And my problem is, is these people just didn't find their way.

It's not like, you know, where do we want to live?

I don't know.

Let's look around.

What fits us?

The federal government just dumped these people off into a city

arbitrarily.

Yeah.

Why that community?

Why?

I don't know.

They're just changing the makeup.

Do you remember Michelle Bachman?

This is almost 20 years ago saying they're just, the State Department is just importing all these Somalis into Minnesota.

You do remember.

And she was called.

How's that worked out?

Yeah.

She's called a racist.

Yeah.

How is it working out?

How is it working out?

Not well.

No, especially for the cats.

Is that even true?

Yeah, it's absolutely true.

There was a woman.

You sure?

Yeah.

Okay.

Got some proof here with this video of

neighbors calling out this woman for, well, eating a cat.

What did you do?

Why'd you kill the cat?

Smile for me.

Smile all your teeth.

Go like this.

Did you eat that cat?

She's got a cat in her teeth.

Did you eat it?

No, why'd you kill it?

Did you guys see all this?

No, we pulled up and she was just laying there with me.

Did you see her eating it?

She was eating it?

Yeah, she was.

You call the Humane Society to see if they'll come pick this cat up.

It's deceased.

Well, being eaten.

Yeah, that tends to, yeah, usually.

Deceased people in most circumstances.

They always living being crazy.

Well,

I would guess that.

Or is this a cultural difference?

It might be a little both.

Okay.

All right.

All right.

Now, it does seem that, at least the reporting on this, is that it was a real incident.

Was a real person eating a real cat.

That's actually part of it.

She was not, however, a Haitian immigrant.

And it was in Canton, not Springfield, Ohio.

Okay.

So I don't know that that necessarily makes this all that better.

Because I don't want to, you know, I think the

cat memes that are going around, I think that's just a response to

you're importing people who, for instance,

Somalis will come in and they stand on the toilet seat and take a crap squatting because that's the way they do it in their country.

And they did it so much, they had to put signs inside bathroom stalls.

Do not stand on toilet seats.

Wow.

Sit down.

Okay.

I mean, it's just a cultural thing.

Yeah.

But look, I mean,

any, this is happening all over the place.

They're trying to make it into this racist thing.

We played, what, 20 clips yesterday of

African Americans standing up and yelling at their town councils, saying, what is going on?

Who are you to do this?

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I do too.

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I mean, when she starts, and you're just talking about the moderators.

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Hello, Carol.

How are you?

Hi, Glenn.

I'm doing fantastic.

How are you?

I'm very good.

So what are you thinking about the debate today

and what

Donald Trump needs to do?

Because he's going to be in there fighting really by himself.

The two anchors are so anti-Trump.

I don't think they're going to necessarily be helpers on holding her feet to the fire.

Oh, you mean the media outlet that has 100% pro-Kamala Harris stories is not going to turn around and be a fair debate moderator at Shock.

Yeah.

That's weird, huh?

I see Kamala Harris coming out as new and improved Kamala Harris now with more joy because it's the only thing that she can hang her hat on.

She is going to sit and gaslight the American public and pretend that she was not part of the Biden-Harris administration, that she was not the tie-breaking vote on all of this critical legislation which has raised inflation, created massive deficits, and really decimated the middle and working class.

She's going to try to present herself as something completely different.

I think what Donald Trump needs to do, and this is going to be very difficult for him because when somebody hangs a softball out there,

he likes to hit the pitch.

But he needs to stay away from the ad hominem attacks.

He needs to not take the bait because she is going to be baiting him back and forth.

And he needs to stay focused on the economy, on the border, on the U.S.'s standing in the world, and simply hold her feet to the fire for the policies that she has been responsible for and contrast that to the pre-COVID three-plus years that we had Donald Trump as president and what everybody's life was like.

We know that.

We have empirical evidence.

Okay, but Carol, she does have some things she can boast about.

The small business success.

She claims a record of 19 million small business applications were received under their leadership.

And that's a record I hear.

That's what they say.

Okay, so this is,

I think most people know who listened to me on your program that I'm one of the world's leading experts on small business.

I've been entrenched for decades.

I heard this, this, this thing, this small business applications.

And I went around to every group that I know and I said, what is a small business application?

Because when I started my business, I didn't have to apply at the federal level.

You know, certainly if I had an LLC, so I registered that with the state.

Some people have sold proprietorships.

What does this mean?

Because we have 33 plus million small businesses, but that only grows on net less than a million a year.

So how is it possible that we have 19 million new application starts?

And so far, no one's really been able to give me an answer.

I have one committee

related to the House Small Business Committee who thinks that maybe there is some information that came from the state census data.

But I asked them, they're actually having a committee hearing, and I asked them if they could ask the SBA administrator and put her on the hot seat because they're running around touting these made-up statistics to sound like they're some champion of small business.

At the same time, Glenn, NFIB came out with their small business

optimism index today.

the 32nd consecutive month that small business optimism has been below the historical average.

And that's a 50-year average.

Well, that's

because they fear Donald Trump is coming back.

For 32 months, yes.

I mean, it is, it's crazy because I see this number, you know,

of 19 million small businesses, and I'm like, I thought that was just because of all the businesses that they had put out of business.

They're like starting up new businesses.

So I just thought they were taking credit like they do with all the job creation.

We've created more jobs.

No, you didn't.

People went back to work.

You had told them you cannot work.

So of course there were people going back to work.

But you're saying this isn't that at all.

This is

possibly even made up.

Yeah, I mean, w it it's it's something, but nobody knows really what it is.

It certainly is not a pro it's not a proxy for new small businesses created, which is what they're intimating.

And we know the number of small businesses, you know, a year ago was thirty two point something million and then it climbs to thirty three point something million.

You know, uh yes, that's on net, unless they're killing eighteen million small businesses a year,

which you know, we know that they're they're certainly trying, but I don't think that they've succeeded in doing that yet.

That this is an absolute, you know, it's just

spouting off nonsense.

And they're doing this again and again to gaslight people into things are so great.

We're so in your corner.

But at the same time, she's coming out and she's tweeting about anti-small business policies like the PRO Act that she said that she's going to put in place, which for people who don't know, that is the anti-gig worker and anti-independent contractor language from California's AB5 taken nationally, and they want to kill the gig economy and all the small businesses that depend on independent contractors in favor of unions and big business.

So it's very difficult to say, I am the small business, I am the worker candidate, and still be in favor of these things, which is why I equate it to being like McDonald's being pro-Cal.

You know, it is,

as a small business owner myself,

I look at tomorrow and think if

they get in,

the regulations, just the regulations alone that are still sitting out there that they want to impose, will just crush small businesses.

These guys, you know, they used to say that, well, the...

The Republicans are in with big business.

Well, they were also in with small business too.

You know, they had a business attitude.

These guys are only big business.

They are only in with the giant global corporations.

That's all they care about.

And it is honestly like they are trying to impoverish the small business and impoverish the middle class.

Without moving any of the middle class up, they are moving them all down.

Yeah, I'm glad that you brought up regulations because, as I mentioned, there's this House committee meeting right now, and they came out with a report earlier this year that the Biden-Harris agenda imposed $1.7 trillion in regulations on small businesses.

And that was before we've had some of these pending regulations go into place.

So I am certain that that's higher.

And that is millions upon millions of hours that are wasted.

That is real dollars that are wasted.

And that's a barrier to success.

You know, we keep hearing this ridiculous phrase, the opportunity economy.

Well, if you want to create opportunity, you reduce barriers or you reduce regulations, you reduce taxes, you reduce the government being up in your business, and you have the government mind their own business so that you can go off and work in your business.

You know, that is what it is all about.

I know that our audience is heavy on entrepreneurs

and people who have done business for a long time.

But there's also a younger generation that listens and explain

why

regulations hurt opportunity.

They hurt opportunity because, number one, they're costly.

Two, you're spending time complying with the regulation instead of spending the time working and growing your business.

And the challenge is that if you are a big company, if you're the Amazons of the world, if you're the Walmarts of the world, you have not only a whole balance sheet to deal with this, but you have a whole host of people in your company, whether it's HR or whether it's some other administrative function that can deal with these regulations.

When it comes to small business, the majority, greater majority of small businesses, it's just the entrepreneur.

So it's one person who's already wearing all of those hats trying to deal with this.

Even if you have some employees, you don't have the wherewithal, the ability, or struggling enough to deal with inflation, finding the right workers, remaining competitive, dealing with cybersecurity and the like.

You don't have time and you don't have bandwidth and you don't have capital to deal with these regulations.

And some of them are so onerous that people want to close their business.

Something that we've been talking about, Glenn, for months now, that the Corporate Transparency Act, which is this registration with the Financial Crimes Division of the treasury.

I've had hundreds upon hundreds of small business owners and people looking to start small businesses saying that they don't want to.

They want to close their business.

They don't want to start because they don't want to deal with the asymmetrical risk of having their information exposed or the government coming after them for doing something wrong.

So because the government is imposing this regulation, which by the way is still in flux,

it's preventing these entrepreneurs from from taking those risks and creating opportunity, which creates jobs, which creates more dollars in their community, which grows the economy, which is what we need to move ourselves forward.

This is so obvious, but all they want to do is take away wealth, create barriers, redistribute it, and make it very, very challenging for a small business owner to succeed.

You, I think it was you, Carol, said, oh, maybe six months ago, we were talking and you said,

Glenn, most of the stuff that they've done doesn't really kick in until 2025.

So we haven't felt the full impact of Bidenomics yet.

Was that you that said that to me?

Quite probably.

Quite probably.

So what is it that is coming still that we haven't felt?

Describe next year just as it stands

without any new policies, if we just continued where we are.

Well, as I said, the House Small Business Committee is doing a markup on seven different pieces of legislation trying to overturn

all of these stringent rules for small business.

This Corporate Transparency Act, we have until the end of the year for that to go into effect.

If there's no delay, which, by the way, there's two delay bills and two repeal bill or two repeal bills and seven lawsuits.

If we don't get that done by the end of the year, then people are going to be faced with compliance.

And then on top of that,

we have the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

Large pieces of that is expiring and changing the way that small businesses have to look at their taxes and figure out what makes sense from them from an administrative standpoint.

And that's, again, just scratching the surface.

So

one after another,

there are things in the pipeline.

And then if Kamala Harris were to become president, again, day one, they are going to try to rule by executive order.

I mean, one of the other things, this Department of Labor rule, very anti-independent contract rule, that went into effect in March.

They haven't been truly enforcing it.

I haven't seen much of the way of enforcement.

But if they start to crack down on that,

that's something that could kill all of small business across the board.

So, there are just so many different things, and it's challenging enough to own your own business, as you well know, as a small business owner to not constantly have to be worried about what's the next shoe that's going to drop coming from your own government.

Carol, one last question.

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And that begins at 8 o'clock Eastern, or is that the debate?

Yes, the debate's going to be on.

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There's a pre-show as well.

I think it starts at 7.

So you'll have that.

You'll have the debate.

And then we'll have post-coverage afterward.

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Carol Roth is with us.

So tell me about the options the Fed have,

has now.

What's happened with employment, why they might be dropping the interest rate, and is it a good thing or a bad thing?

Well, so I have always contended that the Fed didn't have the right tools to address inflation, that inflation was coming from supply constraints, not demand, that the Fed really focuses on demand, and after 15 years of zero interest rate policy, that it wasn't really them that changed much of what was going on in terms of demand for new loans, et cetera.

But they have taken up the interest rate very high, and a lot of people in the market, a lot of investors, feel like they are behind the curve in terms of normalizing policy because they don't want to keep it so restrictive that they cause a recession.

That's been the concern all along.

So now that inflation has come down on a headline number, and we know cumulatively it's up over 20 percent, and that's what Americans are contending with.

But from a policy standpoint, they see that inflation is coming down, and they see that the labor market isn't quite as robust as they had hoped.

And so they're trying to address policy to quash any

recessionary outcomes.

That's really what they're trying to do.

So they have a couple choices, right?

They could do nothing as they have done for a while.

We have about a minute.

They could deliver a cut, and now they're deciding between a half a percent and a quarter of a percent.

A half a percent may be bad news for them because it may give the market a signal that things are worse off than they are.

So I think that they're going to be a little bit more cautious and go for that 25 basis point or quarter of a percent cut.

All right.

So you don't think that it will,

unless it's 50 basis points, you don't think that it will be a bad thing other than signaling that things might be worse than they thought.

Right.

And it's a much bigger signal at 50 than it is at 25, given where we stand with all the data.

But I know you've got limited time.

We could get more into that another day.

Yeah, and I'm not sure that anybody will want to open up the purse strings at this point.

I think everybody is waiting to see what's going to happen, you know, with

the presidential election.

I mean, because going one way or the other, and they're in opposite directions.

So it's kind of a scary place to be as an investor or a small business person or just, you know, a regular worker in America today.

Carol, thank you so much.

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Let me

start.

I'm going to start with cut eight.

Kamala Harris.

On the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Listen to this.

He just made a really big decision.

Afghanistan.

Yes.

Were you the last person in the room?

Yes.

And you feel comfortable?

I do.

And

I'm going to add to that.

Please do.

This is a president

who has an extraordinary amount of courage.

Okay.

So this was her after the Afghanistan withdrawal.

Notice who is she doing the interview with?

Shanna Bash.

Yeah.

So she's doing it on CNN with the same lady who she just gave her only interview to.

And she's like, so you're happy with it?

You were the last person in the room?

Yes.

Now,

Kamala is, through her handlers, is they're saying she had nothing to do with Afghanistan.

She wasn't involved in that decision at all.

So was she lying then or is she lying now?

Or was she lying both times?

Because that's what it seems like.

They lie.

Whenever they get trapped, they lie and then they switch the the lie, and then they try to switch it again.

And eventually they just say, yeah,

that's the truth.

So there she is on Afghanistan.

Now remember, we had a Middle East peace accord, the Abrahamic Accords.

That was a stunning thing.

No one thought that was ever even possible.

And yet the media downplayed it.

And so when there was war that just broke out, why did that break out?

Because of the Biden administration.

Afghanistan.

Why did Putin invade?

Because he knew this administration was weak.

Now we're backing up Ukraine.

In fact, for some reason, our

CEIA came out and said, we're happy with the drones and the way they're being effectively used in Moscow to blow up buildings in Moscow.

It's like we're itching for war.

Do you think she's the right woman to take us in and out of war?

Now here she is in 2021 about Haitian migrants, which we're now having a problem with.

Listen to this, cut two.

That is why also,

starting with our administration, we gave TPS temporary protected status to Haitian migrants, 55,000.

And then more recently, we extended temporary protective status to over 100,000 Haitian migrants for that very reason, that they need support, they need protection.

So they need protection, they need support.

Ohio, how are you doing with those Haitians?

How are you doing?

What right does this government have to come in in the middle of the night and take a town of 50 or 60,000 and add 20,000 people that don't relate to our culture at all and just dump them there and then leave you the bill.

Leave you the problem of, I can't get into the hospital now because it's overrun.

She's proud of that.

Here she is

in 2019 talking about ICE.

For the first time on her campaign website, a K-file investigation has uncovered, meantime, a 2019 questionnaire.

And in this questionnaire, Harris laid out some much more liberal stances, among them on immigration.

So in 2019, in what Kayfile found, she said she would cut funding to ICE, writing, quote, our immigrant detention system is out of control, and I believe we must end the unfair incarceration of thousands of individuals, families, and children.

I was one of the first senators after President Trump was elected to advocate for a decrease in funding to ICE.

Well, now, of course, she's touting the Biden administration's executive order to crack down on the border.

Let's just take immigration and look at what she said here.

She said on immigration, she made this open-ended pledge to end immigrant detention.

She said she supported taxpayer-funded gender-transition surgeries for detained migrants.

She also said she

was

actually said she supported it.

She both wrote and answered in the affirmative when she was asked this.

And she said she also supported it for federal prisoners.

Now, she also pledged to slash immigration detention by 50%, close all family and private facilities, and decrease funding for ICE, and then to

end ICE detainers with local law enforcement.

So that's what she said in 2019.

You see, she was the first, once they were elected, to advocate for all of these things.

She was advocating for it.

Now she says she's strong on the border and shows in her ads pictures of the Trump border wall, which she said was the biggest waste of taxpayer money ever.

So you know, whoever is running the White House is going to be running the White House if she's in charge.

Not a lot is going to change.

Here's my orcas

on policies of deporting illegals this last Friday.

And by the way,

forgive me.

I was speaking of operational reality.

I was talking about practicality.

I was not talking about policy.

I didn't address the fundamental issue of whether that is good policy.

Do you want to say whether or not it's good policy?

It is not good policy.

Okay.

So deporting people is not good policy.

He says it's impossible.

I mean, I'm going to put a man on the moon and return him in the next decade.

We can't deport people.

We can't send people across the border with this administration.

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So

what is this all leading to?

What, you know, there's a story out, a gift now to Donald Trump today.

They just rolled out Kamala Harris's policy page.

However, the New Republic, which is

not conservative, to say the least,

they went in and they looked at the policy page and then looked at what it said.

And then somebody who knew what they were doing with coding went in and looked at the code on the page.

And what did they find?

Literally, they found that the new policy page of the Kamala Harris website, which has been weeks and weeks and weeks in the making, they had no policy page until Sunday.

Finally, they came up with a policy page and they literally just copy and pasted it from Joe Biden's site.

They have the code.

They compared the code and it's exactly the same code.

Right.

So you can read it on Kamala Harris's site, but if you post like links to certain things, it shows up.

Vote for Joe Biden today because they didn't even bother to change

the names in the code.

That is...

That is so incredible.

They've had all of this time.

They care so little about policy.

they want to just put something up.

Somebody who was, this is not a priority, obviously, is copying paste.

So when she says we're turning the page on the past, all she's actually saying is, okay, we're done with page one.

All right, everybody, we're on page two.

That's literally what's happening.

And what a pre-debate gift to Donald Trump.

Who's the candidate of change?

Probably not the one who copy and pasted the policy page of the current president.

So we have the same policies coming.

We have a country that is out of control economically.

It's out of control with immigrants.

It's out of control with its foreign policy.

Everything is in self-destruct mode at this point, including our police.

Now, why are our police horrible?

Well, a lot of police are not horrible,

but

they reimagined the police.

And so in some cities, it's hard to get good guys to be cops anymore.

They don't want to be cops anymore because of Kamala Harris and

people like her that wanted to completely change the policing.

I want you to listen to this cop.

He comes into a woman's home

and this is what happens.

Cut 20.

I am not going to step outside your house.

Stay why I'm right here.

Because you walked in.

No, because they opened the door and ran from you.

And that's my home.

And now that I'm inside your house, I own your house right now.

Yes, I do.

Okay, so here he is.

Please.

And back the f ⁇ my house.

You do not have a right to be inside my house.

I will talk to you outside.

No.

You don't have a warrant?

No, don't talk to them.

You do not have a warrant to be inside.

I will talk to you outside.

Officer, I will talk about that.

I am not going to step outside your house.

Listen,

so

he doesn't have a warrant.

He walked in.

The kids were afraid.

And so he walked into the house.

He's one step past the threshold.

And he says, I own your house.

This is out of control.

When the police don't defend the Constitution, they work for us.

Politicians work

for us,

not the other way around.

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So

I guess I'm going to start where Stu started with me this morning.

Are you optimistic?

I'm so excited for this debate.

Are you really?

Yes.

I'm such a political nerd.

I love this kind of stuff.

I know it's a circus.

It's a clown show, but it's also, it seems like a culmination of what we fight for every day.

We finally have two people that are representing polar opposite viewpoints for our country, different paths.

And I'm rooting for Trump.

I think he can win, but I think one of the most important things that he has to do is understand his enemy.

If you know your enemy, then you will be able to defeat them.

And he has to be very self-aware that Kamala Harris is going to try to be this girl boss, girl power.

She's going to try to provoke him emotionally and he has to be able to let that roll off of his back.

So what do you mean she's going to be that girl boss girl power?

Remember when she was debating Mike Pence during the last round and she goes, excuse me, Mr.

Vice President, I'm speaking.

Yeah.

Why do you think this time her team insisted that the mics be left open versus, remember in the first debates between Trump and Biden, the mics were muted, so you could only speak during your allotted time.

Otherwise, no one would be able to hear you.

All of a sudden, she had agreed to this.

And then last week, her team says, actually, we want the mics open.

Well, why?

So that she can run these quote-unquote fact checks in real time.

She can say, you're lying.

I'm speaking, and make it seem like he's this white patriarchal male who's trying to be a bully to her as a woman of color.

I think if he handles this debate exactly the same way he handled it with Joe Biden,

he's going to do really well.

Yes, he did very well with Joe Biden because he stayed, he was so disciplined about his message.

See, this is the thing.

Kamala Harris is a radical.

She is not moderate.

She's not centrist.

She shouldn't appeal to independence.

She is a radical leftist, a Marxist.

Her father was a Marxist, is a Marxist economics professor.

And Donald Trump should highlight that.

He has all the facts on his side.

She's been in the White House House for four years now.

So her record is Joe Biden's record.

So on anything.

I don't know if you heard the news today, but her policy page is Joe Biden's policy page.

How do you do that?

It's like a gift to the Trump campaign.

Oh, it is.

It is.

Everything.

She's going to come out and pretend to be a prosecutor.

She's going to ask him pointed question after pointed question.

She's going to call him a felon.

Yes.

And you know what he should do?

If she calls him a felon?

Because she's going to, that's pulled well for them.

He should say, Madam Vice President, do you agree with the the Supreme Court ruling that the vaccine mandate that came from the Biden-Harris administration was illegal?

And if she says that she agrees with the Supreme Court, then she is acknowledging that she was a tyrant trying to violate all of our medical freedom.

And if she says, no, I think the Supreme Court was wrong, then she's saying she thinks it's legal for her to do that.

So when you want to talk about crime against people and a visceral response that people are going to have to a crime committed against them, he should pivot to the topic that's important for the viewers to understand.

He's never going to change Kamala's mind on stage, but that's not the point.

The point is to showcase the American people what she is.

So, you know, you started with saying, and I've wanted this for a long time.

If we're going to talk about communism, we're going to talk about truly changing the economy, changing the constitution, all the things that the World Economic Forum has been doing, along with the Biden-Harris thing, then

let's have that conversation honestly.

And we do have literally a communist.

She, what she is proposing is communism, uh, and her dad loves that stuff, so she grew up steeped in all of this stuff.

Um,

but she won't admit it, that's the problem.

No, but her track record shows it.

So, all Trump has to do is remember one question: every time she makes an assertion, he should say, What does that mean?

And not, he should say it rhetorically, he shouldn't give her back the microphone.

But if she says, I'm going to be tough on the border, he should say, What does that mean?

During the past four years, when you were in the White House House and had control of this as the border Tsar, which was acknowledged by the United States Congress after Biden appointed you to that position, eight and a half million illegal aliens crossed the border.

So when you say you're going to be tough on the border, is that your definition of tough on the border or did you fail when you had a chance at this job?

She's going to say we have greatly

stopped the flow of...

I hope she does because that'll turn people off because people have Haitian migrants eating ducks in their front yard in Springfield, Ohio.

They're not going to believe her when she says everything's hunky-dory.

I don't.

Tell me this.

I said to Stu yesterday that I'm actually becoming more and more optimistic about this election

because things are getting so bad that the average person, I mean, if you're a stay-at-home mom,

if you're a mom, you are worried about your kids.

Getting to and from school, even in California,

where now the immigrants are just staying at the bus stop, standing there with your kids.

And if the bus sees a bunch of immigrants there because they're trying to get on the buses, if they see them, they just blow on by.

They won't pick your kid up.

So now your kid is left at the bus stop with illegals because the bus driver doesn't want to stop.

You have your every day, you're going in and you're fighting against prices.

The rate of the rise of inflation has slowed down, but they keep saying that, you know, inflation is falling.

No, the rate of how

the rate of how

of going up has slowed down.

But we're still 20 to 23% inflation compared to when Trump was in office.

That's all he has to say.

He just has to say,

my fellow Americans, how much are you paying for groceries right now?

What was your grocery bill last week?

How much did it cost you to fill up your tank of gas the last time you filled up at the gas station?

And then he says, and how much did it cost when I was president?

And if Kamala Harris says, oh, I'm going to impose price controls or some other communist measure, I think that was for the food industry, but that's her general idea, which showcases exactly what she is.

He just has to say, well, do you support continuing to send U.S.

dollars to Ukraine?

Because that's what's causing the inflation.

She's going to say, yes, this is a fight against Putin.

He's a tyrant, blah, blah, blah.

After she finishes her spiel, Trump just says, okay, so what I'm hearing you say is, yes, you want to continue to spend American dollars in Ukraine, which means you're saying to the American people that you don't care how much their gas and groceries cost.

I do care.

And I've proved that because when I was in the White House, people had a very different life than when you have been in the White House.

Yes.

When it comes up to Ukraine,

I mean, right now, Afghanistan is there on everybody's mind again because it was the anniversary.

And that was such a disaster.

And now

we are openly praising Ukrainians for their drone attacks on Moscow.

We would never put a, if Canada became an enemy and Russia was sending drones over and military equipment and they were they were bombing with drones New York or Washington, D.C.,

we would not put up with it.

They're not going to put up with it either.

Right.

And

you

how is she going to make the case that we are safer today?

Again, I go back to the mom worried about her kids.

I don't want to send my kids to war.

I don't want our world to be at war.

I'm also, I don't want drag queens in my

school, you know, for my kids.

All of these things are so worse, so much worse that I just think that when people close the curtain

this time around, they are going to reflect, do I want more of this?

Right.

That's why I encourage President Trump to stay on message, because if you get into the weeds on the personal stuff,

as entertaining as that might be for us to watch for a moment, the average American wants to talk about how things impacted them.

That's classic politics.

So with the war in Ukraine, yes, you can talk about these hypothetical war plans, but the truth of the matter is Kamala is dragging us to the brink of war.

She arguably is the one who started this war by saying that Ukraine could be part of NATO.

That was...

what, a month before Russia invaded Ukraine.

There's no doubt that there was a correlation between those comments and the onset of this war.

I I mean, she is a warmonger.

She wants to continue this.

And then what's worse is she wants to draft our daughters and send them to war.

I know.

Tell that to the

average suburban mom.

I have two young daughters.

The idea that Kamala Harris could send them off to war enrages me.

I have an 18-year-old daughter

that could be drafted, I guess, under her if we went into a war.

That is...

It's unacceptable.

Unacceptable.

I mean, and there's no Canada for my son to run to, but

I'd have to find some some place for my son and daughter to run to.

They will not serve in a war with these people.

They won't.

I, as a dad, would say, do not do it.

Where do we have you go to?

And it's a very frightening prospect for our country.

We shouldn't be in a situation where we feel like we have to run away from our country.

I know.

Otherwise, our children.

I haven't felt that way.

No, I haven't.

I have not either.

And I'm a newer parent than you are.

My oldest is three and a half.

But the idea that I'm already having to think about all these different ways to protect her from the left trying to get her, whether it's trying to indoctrinate her on abortion, whether it's trying, I actually had last year, it was not this past November, but the November before, I had a debate with a local school board member outside of the polls.

I was walking in carrying my daughter on my hip, and the school board member or this candidate I knew was very leftist, and she wanted to talk about her policy.

So I'm like, sure, I enjoy this a little bit.

And I said to her, do you believe in teaching transgender ideology to children?

And she goes, oh, we need to be inclusive.

And I was like, I held up my daughter, who I don't use for political props, but she was just there with me voting.

And I said, so if my two-year-old at the time said she wanted to be a boy, you would transition her behind my back.

And essentially she said yes.

And I was like, evil.

That's evil.

That's what we're fighting against.

People who will say that to your face.

I know.

This is, I mean, President Trump should bring that up because.

You know, it's amazing what they'll say to our face.

Yeah.

And then what they say is a conspiracy theory that they always turn out now to be absolutely accurate.

And they eventually admit it.

Yes, okay, yeah, that is true.

The things that they say to our face are frightening enough.

When somebody is unclear with you in this administration, you should be terrified.

And I don't know why people continue to listen to liars.

You know, Donald Trump exaggerates.

He exaggerates.

I don't know, I mean, I can't think of anything of any importance that he has exaggerated or

lied about.

Can you think of anything that he lied about?

Example we talked about a couple of times when he was saying no, no one opposed Roe versus Wade being overturned, right?

Yeah.

Now, what he's talking about there is clearly there were a lot of people on the left, legal scholars, who did think it was bad law.

So he's summarizing a legitimate situation by overstating it.

Correct.

Correct.

That's like a general, a hyperbolic generalization, not a lie.

And I'm not trying to justify being precise, but there is a difference yeah there is a difference and especially when you know you're lying you know it's one thing to say this and then you know and he said there are fine fine people on both sides no at this point

you are engaging in evil because you know exactly what you're doing that is exact opposite of what he said and they just i guess people just are they're either numb to it or they hopefully are waking up and going, you know what?

These people have given me this crap in my, in my home, in my

bank account, and with, in my city, I can't trust them anymore.

I don't, I, I just can't keep doing it.

Right.

And the, and that, obviously, Kamala is responsible for her own lies, but the institution that's responsible for allowing her to be a liar is the mainstream media.

And that's what I would advise President Trump.

He doesn't, he shouldn't come off as a bully.

There is the idea that if you have a man and a woman on stage and the man's being very harsh, there are a lot of women who will interpret that as being a bullying demeanor.

Whether or not it's true, that's simply the reality of how people perceive things.

And so he should say, what does that mean when she says a lie?

Because here are the statistics that show that that's not true.

And say, I don't know why you're telling an untruth except to deceive the American people.

But this is why, this is a good example of the damage that happens when the mainstream media runs interference for you.

Because you shouldn't be on the stage if you're not going to tell a truth.

But that should have been weeded out years ago by media actually doing their job and asking questions about why you were contradicting your actions.

All right, back in just a second, we're with Liz Wheeler.

I want to talk to you, Liz, about abortion.

How should he handle it?

Because that's her big thing.

I mean, she's in the evil

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She's not just pro-choice.

She's pro-abortion.

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Yeah.

And

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That's That's child sacrifice.

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So how should he handle abortion?

Because she's going to lie and say he wants to take all of your rights away, which he doesn't, but he has to say what he actually believes, but he also can't piss off his own core

because he already is.

He did.

Yeah, he already has pissed them off.

So he doesn't need to make it worse.

How does he respond to that?

It depends on how she brings it up.

I am more pro-life than Donald Trump.

I am a pro-life absolutist, and I encourage Donald Trump and everyone to be the same way.

I acknowledge the reality that he is not.

My advice to him would be to start out by praising life.

Say life is precious.

Life is wonderful.

I have five children.

I have however many grandchildren.

They have been the biggest blessings of my life.

And I want to ensure that women across our country and American families, I want to make abortion unthinkable.

I want to change the culture so that life is something that we value.

I want us to think who might this young girl or young boy be?

And I want to make it financially possible.

I want people to feel financially secure and emotionally supported when they face these surprise pregnancies.

I believe that life begins at conception.

I know he is unlikely to say that because he talks often about thinking abortion is okay through six weeks.

I obviously disagree with that, but I encourage him to follow the science and follow.

He always talks about following the heart.

If he truly spends some time in reflection, I think that he should be based.

I think that he should say abortion abortion is wrong.

Abortion is sad.

Abortion ends the life of an unborn baby who had potential in a future, and it harms women.

It harms families.

It harms our countries.

I don't want that.

And he should make it a generally positive message without sacrificing the value of the dignity of life.

Can he go in

to, you know,

she wants abortion after birth?

Oh, he of course should highlight.

He of course should highlight just how radical she is.

I mean, this is one of the most radical politicians in our country on abortion, if not the most.

Oh, yeah.

She's almost Margaret Sanger.

Probably more so because Margaret Sanger at the beginning didn't support late-term abortion or afterbirth abortion.

That's true.

Kamala Harris does, and he should highlight that she's out of step with the American people, even women who identify as pro-choice.

80% of Americans, including pro-choice women, wants late-term abortion to be banned.

60% wants second-term abortion to be banned.

He should highlight that he stands with the majority of America and that is, she does not.

And he certainly should highlight that the CDC says between 13 and 30,000 times a year, late-term abortions happen.

That's awful.

Liz Wheeler, she'll be joining us tonight for our live coverage of the debate on Blaze TV.

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So I saw this meme

online and I thought this is incredible.

And before I hit post,

I sent it to my researchers, and I said, is this true?

Because if it's true, how come I've never heard this before?

The meme that's being circulated on the internet is the U.S.

has the third highest murder rate, but if you remove the five worst cities in the states that have the strictest gun control, the U.S.

goes from third to like 180th.

And I'm like, that can't be.

I hope it is, but it can't be.

Well, it's not.

And we called John Lott to find out.

And John is probably the best guy.

I think he is the best guy on crime statistics and gun statistics.

John Lott Jr.

is joining us now, Crime Prevention Research Center President.

And welcome to the program, John.

Good to talk to you.

It's great to talk to you again, Glenn.

Thanks for having me on.

You bet.

So

that isn't true.

You were the guy who said,

no, not even close, right?

Yeah, it's amazing how many errors one can have in one sentence.

Yeah.

So

what is true?

Is there good news on this at all?

I think so.

I mean, the United States is actually well below the average and well below the median in terms of homicide rates across countries.

You know, often

people will make comparisons, but it's very selective on what countries they make comparisons with.

You know, one thing also is if you look at something like the New York Times or Washington Post or whatever, what they'll do is they'll have a graphic that talks about firearm homicides and how that compares to other countries.

The problem with that is that, you know, in the United States, we're kind kind of spoiled with all the data that we have.

Most countries don't even collect data on firearm homicides.

You're lucky to get total homicides from them.

And the countries that don't report firearm homicides are the countries with the highest homicide rates.

So

we could be at the middle.

And if the top half don't

report the firearm homicide data would make it look like we're right at the top when it's really just an artifact of which countries report the data.

What's the difference between murder and homicide?

I'm glad you asked that because a lot of people get that confused.

They think they're the same.

Homicides are murders plus justifiable homicides.

It's not never really been obvious to me why you want to lump those two things together.

Right.

I mean, a woman.

who shoots a rapist who breaks into her home at 2 a.m.

in the morning seems a lot different to me than a robber who kills somebody that he's trying to rob.

But it also affects the international data because not only do most countries kind of break out firearm homicides,

most countries don't report murders.

Most countries just report homicides.

And the problem is that the United States is

way overrepresentative in terms of defensive gun uses compared to other countries.

And so if we were just to take out, so just looking at homicides makes us look even worse relative to other countries.

Tell me, John, because we know school shootings, they're going to come up tonight.

And she is, I mean, she's on record saying gun confiscation, if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, she is radical on guns and, you know, will confiscate guns.

But they're going to talk about, you know, the use of AR-15s and the school shootings.

What should the President say?

Right.

Well, I mean, look, I want to do something to stop these attacks, but I want to do something that actually matters.

So, you know,

Kamala Harris and Biden and Obama, you know, kind of the number one thing that they keep pointing to are things like background checks on the private transfers of guns.

There's not one mass public shooting of any type this century that would have been stopped if such a law had been in effect and been perfectly enforced.

I wish somebody would go and ask

one of these politicians,

some reporter, just saying, well, you're talking about passing this law now.

Would it have stopped the most recent attack that we're talking about?

Would it have stopped any of them?

You know, the thing is, you look at the school shooting in Georgia.

Yet again, you had another attack at a place where people were banned from having guns, where civilians were banned.

There are some school districts, there's three counties in Georgia that allow teachers and staff to carry concealed handguns.

Unfortunately, this wasn't one of them.

You look at we've looked at all the school shootings in the United States from 2000 on.

And you have something like over 10,000 schools that have armed teachers and staff.

I mean, it varies.

States like Utah and New Hampshire, if you have a concealed carry permit, a teacher is allowed to automatically carry on school property.

In other places, it requires the school board or the superintendent.

So a state like Texas has maybe 40% of the school districts have armed teachers and staff.

And yet, for all those years and all those schools that have teachers and staff carrying, there's not one attack where anybody's been wounded or killed at any school that has a teacher or staff carry.

You know, the issue is, you know, fortunately in the Georgia case,

there was a school resource officer who had the gun and was able to stop it.

But what I don't think people understand is what an incredibly difficult job somebody in uniform has in stopping these attacks.

You know, if you're the attacker, you have huge tactical advantages.

You can wait for the person in uniform to leave the area before you attack, or you can move on to another target.

Or if you're going to go after that particular place, then who do you think you take out first?

If you take out the person in uniform, you know, it's kind of like one thing I ask people.

We have air marshals.

Who would put air marshals in uniforms?

Would anybody say we should have air?

Because

if there is a terrorist on a plane, you know.

They know who to take out.

Exactly.

So if you're going to have a school resource officer, put them in regular clothes, give them a staff position so they blend in, and make it so they're not recognizable about who is going to be able to go and stop the attacker.

Concealed carry gives a huge advantage because the attacker has no clue who they're supposed to go and take out first.

So rather than having signs in front of these schools that say this is a gun-free zone.

That's a sign that you see in many schools in Texas and other places saying warning,

select teachers and staff at this school are carrying concealed and will use these guns to protect the students and others that are there.

These guys may be crazy, but they're not stupid.

Anybody who reads the diaries and manifestos, and I have to say, it just drives me absolutely nuts the way the media refuses to cover the manifestos and diaries.

the parts where they explicitly explain time after time why they picked the targets that they did.

You know, the Nashville school shooter last year, in her diary, she talked about three other targets that she wanted to go after.

But she decided not to because there were armed people there at the ball.

You know, or the Buffalo mass murderer the year before.

He explicitly says he wanted to go to a place where he didn't think his victims were going to be able to defend themselves.

These guys want to get media attention, and they know the more people they kill, the more media attention that they're going to be able to get.

And they know if they go to a place where their victims can't defend themselves, they're going to be able to go and kill more people and get more media attention.

We're talking to John Lott.

John, hang on for just a minute, because I want to talk to you also about

the property crime and the violent crime.

The Democrats are saying, No,

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Those both seem to be gigantic lies, and I know you have the answer to them.

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John Lott Jr.

from the Crime Prevention Research Center, probably the best guy on crime and

gun statistics in the world.

He's joining us now.

I wanted to get this because the Democrats are saying crime is dropping.

At the same time, millions of illegals are entering the country and we're seeing violent crime like we have not seen ever before.

And they're saying, no, no, no.

No, they have nothing to do with it.

And it's dropping.

What's the truth on the crime rate and

the illegal crime rate as well?

Right.

Well, I think you're right.

Look, there are two measures that we have of crime, and the media just seems to only be looking at one of these measures and not realizing what it's measuring.

And you'll see news headlines all the time that will say, crime is falling, but people erroneously think that it's increasing.

Correct.

So the two measures are the FBI's measure of crimes reported to police, and then there's the Bureau of Justice Statistics measure called the National Crime Victimization Data, which gets a measure of total crime, both reported and unreported.

And prior to 2020, these two sets of numbers generally went up and down together.

But since 2020, they've been going in opposite directions.

So, for example,

In 2022, the last year that both of those numbers are finalized for, what you find is that while the FBI claims that there was a 2% drop in violent crime, the National Crime Victimization Survey, which surveys about 240,000 people a year, this is really a massive survey, showed a 42%

increase in violent crime, the largest percentage increase that we've ever seen.

And there are multiple reasons for that gap.

One of them is the fact that

people have an idea that crime law enforcement has collapsed in this country, but I think it's collapsed even much more than people think.

You know, you go to a CBS or Walgreens in many places in the country, whether it's New York or Los Angeles or DC.

Everything's you'll see everything's behind plexiglasses.

You have to get a clerk.

People know that that wasn't the case a few years ago.

Right.

But it's not just property crime that that's occurring for.

So if you look at the arrest rates for large cities, what you find is in the five years before COVID, 44% of violent crimes result, reported violent crimes result in arrest.

This is the FBI data.

By 2022, it was down to 20%.

That's over a 50% drop in arrests for reported crimes.

If you look at arrests for total crimes, it was 8%.

And it's even worse for property crimes.

The drop in property crimes was almost two-thirds.

And

only 4%

of reported property crimes result in arrest, and only 1% of total property crimes.

And obviously, as you've talked about many times, you have these prosecutors in many places that just because somebody's arrested doesn't mean that they're going to be charged, let alone prosecuted or convicted.

And so the risk for criminals committing crimes in many of these areas

almost nonxistent.

I mean, if you're committing a property crime in these large cities, it's like well less than 1% chance that you're going to be punished for committing the crime.

And is it surprising that if you have these huge drops in arrest rates, we've never seen, we've never seen such low arrest rates in the entire time that the FBI has collected this data for...

70 years.

We've never seen anything even remotely close to having these low of arrest rates, nor the drop that we've seen in just a few year period of time.

So what should Trump say today when he talks about crime and especially illegal crime?

I mean, you know, crime done by illegals.

Right.

But look, you're exactly right.

I mean, the Democrats and the media have made it explicit.

They've said, look, we've had all these millions of illegals coming into the country, and crime is dropping.

She actually said the crime rate among illegals is lower than the U.S.

population at large.

Right.

Well, it's just false also.

I mean, look, what often happens if you go through the statistical studies that a lot of left-wingers put out is they lump together legal and illegal.

legal and illegal immigrants.

Okay.

And for legal immigrants coming into the country, their crime rate actually is extremely low

relative to the general population.

But for illegals, particularly the most violent types of crimes like murder and kidnapping and rape and things like that,

their crime rate is extremely high.

And by lumping the two together in these numbers, you're obscuring the differences there.

You know, the other problem is that

it so politically toxic to even have governments collect this data here that,

you know, you look at Europe, though, where they do collect data by country, and you clearly see that as you have more illegals coming into a particular country, their homicide rates go up.

John Lott, thank you so much.

We'll see you tomorrow.

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