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Also, Bill O'Reilly joins the program to talk about his latest book.

He and I disagree where Woodrow Wilson should be ranked among the worst presidents, but there's no debate on how bad Joe Biden has been.

Alan Dershowitz also has joined the Avengers, become the latest Democrat to renounce the party, and Kamala Harris.

He opens up on that.

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Well, we found out that the Texas oil fields are also being threatened by gangs.

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Oh, Hello, hello, Stu.

How are you?

Glenn, welcome back to the studio.

Thank you.

It's good to be here.

Yeah, it's good to see you.

Yeah.

So

I have to tell you,

I was with Tucker Carlson this weekend and did his, you know, his stage thing.

And it was fantastic.

And there was...

Just a spirit I had all day.

I had to do some fundraisers earlier in the day,

and I'm with these people, and I'm just like, there's something happening today, at least in me.

And I don't know if people who saw the

Carlson interview, or I guess, I don't know what it was.

It was just two friends goofing around.

But

if you saw it, if you felt something change, but

I think maybe it's just the realization that things

could change the better that fast.

But we have to get out and vote.

But let me show you, you know, the poll numbers, Nate Silver just put out his latest prediction.

He says Trump has a 68% chance of winning.

That's pretty remarkable.

Tucker said he's seen some polls

from both sides, and he said Kamala is starting to crater.

And just it's 64% of what's going on.

64, sorry.

It's over.

63.8, I think, is where you got the 68 number.

But still, significant favors.

64.36, right?

Yeah.

And it was

like a couple of months ago.

Harris was leading latest as of August 28th.

Right.

Right.

So only, you know, a couple of weeks ago.

Right.

Okay.

So

let me tell you what I'm feeling, and you tell me that I'm wrong, but I don't think I am.

I don't know if you've been,

I don't know if you've noticed, but people are starting to get pretty close to where they are in Europe about illegal immigration.

Now they're farther ahead than we are, maybe a year's worth, but everything is fundamentally changing.

I mean, the people in Ireland now think Ireland is over

unless they act right now.

Okay?

It is really bad.

But let me just show you some some things here in america here is a springfield resident uh springfield ohio about

the new haitian population which i think there were 53 000 reven residents and they added what was it 10 000 15 000 haitians into that the city's collapsing all right

listen to this resident Wherever they're at, that's what they're used to, bro.

They're in the park,

driving up ducks by their neck and cutting their head off and walking off with them and eating them.

Like, it's only going to get worse.

And y'all sitting up there in these chairs, y'all.

All y'all need to get out here and do something.

Y'all making hundreds of thousands.

Y'all need to put on a t-shirt and some crocs.

And then y'all need to come out here in these streets.

And y'all need to go out here.

And I'm out here before the police is.

Like, y'all need to do something, bro.

Y'all really got to stay in the minutes.

Y'all getting paid all this money just to wear a suit and sit in a chair.

Okay, that's a black man in an Ohio

city council meeting saying,

where are you?

What are you doing?

Let me give another resident to the same meeting.

Listen to this.

Cut six.

I'm done with what I'm seeing.

It is so unsafe in my neighborhood anymore.

I have the homeless that were trying to camp out, and

I have made concessions with them, and I try to help them the best I can to keep them from trying to...

squat on my property.

But it is so unsafe.

I have men that cannot speak english in my front yard screaming at me throwing mattresses in my front yard throwing trash in my front yard and i can't

i look at me i weigh 95 pounds i couldn't defend myself if i had to my husband is elderly and last night after living in this home for 45 years he said noel guess what it's time to pack up and move He said, we can't do this anymore.

He said, it's killing both of us mentally.

I don't understand what you expect of us as citizens.

I mean,

I understand they're here under temporary protected status, and you're protecting them.

And I understand that

our city services are overwhelmed and understaffed.

But who's protecting us?

If we're protecting them, who's protecting me?

I want out of this town.

I am sorry.

Please give me a reason to stay.

Now, listen to her.

Now, she's obviously somebody who

is not like I am on illegal immigrants.

I want them sent back.

She's saying,

I understand we're protecting them.

I understand we have to help them.

I don't understand that, but she does.

She's coming from an entirely different place than I'm at.

If somebody was putting

mattresses on my front yard, I'd be really pissed.

She's coming to them and saying, please.

Notice she also says, I don't know what you expect of us.

She's also somebody who has put herself

as a servant of the government.

You know, I'm trying to do my part.

I'm trying to help.

I know you tell me we have to protect them, so I'm trying to.

I don't know what you expect of us.

No,

reverse that.

Okay, if you're a right-thinking American, you understand

you don't, you're not here to serve them

the leaders in our communities are put there to serve us to protect and defend us

so there's two people just in this small town in Ohio

Ohio

Ohio is you know has been in the past a bellwether and also a swing state.

Now it's not probably a swing state this time.

But if these things are happening in Ohio, you're going to see people do one of two things.

One, stay at home because they can't vote for Trump, but they can't vote for this anymore.

Or two, they're going to go out and vote for Trump.

Let me give you another one.

This is a Chicago residence,

a resident.

This is from a Fox 32 Chicago

report,

and they're talking about the Venezuelan migrants in their community.

Cut seven.

I don't want them there.

Take them someplace else or send them back to Venezuela.

I don't care where they go.

Black women.

This is wrong.

You get 73% of the people homeless in this city are black people.

What have you done for them?

There were lots of fireworks

over the migrants moving into the Lakeshore Hotel for six months, where 300 can be housed.

Also, the city says it's a fluid situation and it will need to revisit that timeline.

So now you have people.

Let me play another one.

Cut 12.

This is another woman talking to the city council in Chicago.

She's a black woman.

Listen to this.

You don't hang no signs about black people hating on immigrants because black people ain't got no reason to hate on no immigrants.

Oh no, but the immigrants got ready.

Everything y'all are near some.

Let me tell you something.

You get them signs down.

Anytime that Arnold Walson and Silverstein can, and what's that other

can sit up here and talk about how they should get a hate crime bill because SWATS Nicks were sending Ziploc bags in their community.

They honed this in our community.

We want it off and pulled.

We want that to be the beginning of a hate crime.

And that organization, which is a white liberal organization,

like in the words of Malcolm X, who told us what?

That the white liberal is the worst enemy to the black man.

Yes.

And you're coming up in here, acting like y'all representing some social justice.

But all along, all you're doing is trying to use black people to find a reason to make some money.

Let me tell y'all something over there.

With duck, the Democratic Party is dumb.

Y'all gonna abuse us.

they get to abuse the black Americans

do you see what's happening

people in small cities people in big cities have had enough

and if you're listening to her what she's saying is it's just not you and the city council it's democrats you have betrayed us.

I think this is going to crystallize like crazy

by the time we get to the election.

I just think we are in for

something pretty amazing.

Listen, here's Kamala Harris in a barber shop this weekend.

Cut 29, please.

And we're talking about specifically something that happened to black people here in America.

So we have to be specifically targeting to help those people.

Because we put those people in a position, and everybody knows the history.

Everybody understands the history of America.

That's right.

America, you did this to these people.

You should write laws for these people.

Don't group us in with everybody, because everybody, it didn't happen to everybody.

But let's be fair.

We plan from behind the eighth board.

We wave back there.

400 years back there.

We're not asking God God to give us nothing.

We actually write the law.

Those of us who are willing and able to do the work, we'll do the work.

That's right.

Hey, stop.

So here she is in a barbershop.

Now,

Cut 52.

Listen to Cut 52.

Here she is talking to Al Sharpton.

But in the area of reparations for descendants of Africans enslaved, if you are elected president, would you sign that bill if it came across your desk?

When I am elected president, I will sign that.

So, why is she saying this?

Why is she saying this?

She knows the black community is cratering on her.

So, now we're going to sign reparations.

Well, how are we going to afford that and all of the things that we're paying for with the illegals?

We can't.

Cloud and Piven

collapse the system.

That's exactly what's happening.

Let me go to cut 48.

This is

illegals and the school buses in California.

A group of migrants tried to board a school bus this morning while it was traveling to a school.

The superintendent for the Hamul del Zura Union School District informed parents of that incident earlier today.

It happened at one of the stops on the school district's bus route that heads to Oak Grove Middle School and Hamul Primary.

Meanwhile, yesterday afternoon in a similar area along another route, the superintendent says that a group of migrants tried to stop another bus.

Border Patrol, CHP, and the Sheriff's Office have now been informed of these incidents.

The superintendent says that for the safety of everyone, if a driver sees a group of migrants at a bus stop, they will drive past it on and move on to the next.

Stop.

Hmm, so if a bus driver is going to pick up your kid at a bus stop

and he sees a bunch of illegals there he's going to drive past and let your kid leave them alone at the bus stop

oh well that's great

I feel good I feel really good I feel that no seriously I want my kids to ride the bus

I want my kids waiting for the bus sounds pretty safe I'm telling you this is the chickens are coming home to roost.

I'm telling you right now,

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What's happening in our schools?

What's happening with illegal immigration?

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This is the best of the Glenn Beck program, and we really want to thank you for listening.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program, and I want to say hello to my dear, very old friend,

emphasis on very old, Bill O'Reilly,

billorilly.com.

How are you?

You know, back on the same, which is tragic for everybody.

You know, I may be aging in dog ears, but I remain a consistent person.

I am exactly the same as when you met me

20 years ago.

Yeah, that's pretty crazy, isn't it?

You know who's not that way?

Kamala Harris.

She's not the one even 20 months ago, 20 minutes ago, really.

But you have a new book out called Confronting the President.

And I want to get to that, but I do want to ask you, how do you see the landscape of things right now?

Well, it's a pretty interesting situation and unique in American politics.

And that's the fault of the folks.

We, the people, are at fault here.

Because we have become so distracted in our lives.

And I'm talking generally, I'm not talking about about Glenn Beck listeners or Bill O'Reilly TV watchers or listeners.

I'm not talking about the crew that seeks out information and opinion.

I'm talking about the people who, you know, have got the phone in their hand 24-7 and they're all over the place.

So when you have a candidate as unqualified as Kamala Harris,

then you

would assume that she'll get waxed by 10 points and she'll lose the election handily, right?

You would assume that because she's not qualified to do the job.

And if you look and analyze what she's done in seven and a half years in Washington, four as a senator, three as vice president, she's done absolutely bupkiss word of the day.

Nothing.

Well,

she has voted in the Inflation Reduction Act, which was a nightmare.

She has taken really hard stands.

She supported George Soros, district attorneys.

I mean, the things that she has done

are in the exact opposite direction, I think, where people want to go.

May I correct you?

Yes.

That isn't doing anything.

Those are opinions.

All right.

So when you're a senator, it is expected that you'll introduce legislation to help Glenn Beck and Stu.

I mean, that's like, okay, how are we going to help Glenn Beck and Stu?

Let's come up with a law or a bill that will help them.

Nothing, nothing in four years.

Now, Barack Obama was the same way and got away with it.

So it's not unique there.

But when you look at a Kamala Harris who cannot even tell you what her vision for the country is, so I want a new way forward.

Well, what does that mean?

You're going to go on a nature trail and take a left instead of a right?

What does that mean?

I want joy.

Okay, lady, I can't have joy if you're not going to tell me one thing that you believe in.

All right?

One thing that you might accomplish and how you would do it.

So, how do you see it today?

If it was held today, how do you see this election going?

Trump would win by a very slight margin, but there would be a lot of chaos and a lot of angst and a lot of lawsuits.

He's got to pull away.

Now,

on the Trump end, on the Trump end,

everyone knows that you're not voting for St.

Francis of Assisi here.

Okay?

Everyone knows that.

But if you look at what he did in four years, because he does have a record of helping Glenn Beck and Stu.

And he did that by cutting their taxes and stimulating the economy before COVID,

that everybody who is working,

wages were rising.

Yes.

Real wages.

That is what they call a record.

Now, if you don't like him,

I don't like a lot of people, but I understand they are effective in what they do.

But the American population, we cannot separate now.

Okay.

All right.

So let me ask you, let me go to the book because I think there's maybe some answers here because this is confronting the president's no spin assessments from Washington to Biden.

So let me just ask you a couple of rapid fire.

True.

Best president.

Best president.

Abraham Lincoln by far because he inherited

an unbelievably terrible situation, way worse than any president, including FDR and the Great Depression.

Wait, now hurry up just a second.

President Washington had to put put together a country out of nothing after winning a war against, you know, King George.

Interesting question you asked there, Beck.

Okay.

Washington was revered by the population.

Yeah.

Everyone loved him.

Yes.

So when he walked in or rode in on his stallion, people said, hey, George, whatever you want.

Okay, yeah, you want to do this?

Good.

We're going to do it.

Okay.

Lincoln came in, and half the country hated his guts.

Yeah, half the country.

Try to kill him.

Yeah, half of his cabinet, too.

Right.

So that was the difference there.

But a good question, Beck.

Who's the worst?

Thank you.

Who's the worst president?

James Buchanan, the guy before Lincoln.

For four years, coming off Franklin Pierce, who's like the third worst president.

He did absolutely nothing.

Buchanan stood up there in the White House and allowed the the South to arm itself, to abuse federal authorities right down to the post office, to build up caches of weaponry, to organize divisions, and Buchanan did nothing.

Not one thing.

I have a letter from Harry Truman that says that if Andrew Jackson had been president from 1856 to 1960, there would not have been a Civil War.

Because Jackson would have crushed the rebellion in its infancy.

Yes.

And And Buchanan did nothing.

That's why he's the worst.

You know me, Bill, and you're not singing music to my ears yet.

And this may discredit your whole book.

Where is Woodrow Wilson on that list?

Wilson was a bad president, but he didn't reach the heights of Joe Biden, Herbert Hoover, people like that.

Warren Harding.

Oh, my gosh.

Okay.

And Harding came right after Wilson, as you know.

But Wilson was a racist number one

number two Waffled all over the place Teddy Roosevelt hated him.

Yes, I know despised him.

Yeah, now I know you were gonna ask this, but I'll jump the answer

Joe Biden is the second worst president we've ever had in our country and and I know people look at me like oh oh no and here's why He brought the problems onto the country.

Yes.

Yes, right he created the problems.

Yeah, okay.

You know what?

I might agree with you that that makes him worse than Woodrow Wilson.

Because

Wilson was dealing with things.

He was helping them along, but

he was dealing with things like

the First World War, et cetera, et cetera.

Well, no, he brought on taxes.

I don't know, Bill.

I don't know.

I don't know.

Look, it was a different time, but you have to get into the mentality of these people.

I have no use for Woodrow Wilson.

I think Teddy Roosevelt is 100% right.

The guy was feckless.

He was a coward.

His wife ran the White House, a lot like Joe Biden,

and to some extent Nancy Reagan, if you want to be fair.

Okay?

So,

but when you have a person like Joe Biden, and you know, this is not a political book, in fronting the president is no politics at all, none.

Okay?

It's right down the line, facts from every blank and president.

And then you, the reader, can decide.

I don't tell you.

I don't rank them.

All right.

You decide whether they were good or bad for the country.

It's much more fun that way.

All right.

But Biden himself, because Kamala is an acolyte of Biden, he caused these massive problems that we're going to have to deal with for decades.

The open border, those unintended consequences, you think they're going away if Trump is elected?

They're not.

I don't think they're unintended.

Okay.

And that's a good debate because there is a school of thought that says the Democratic Party hates the white patriarchy and wanted to overthrow it by allowing people of color from other nations to swarm into the...

Well, I should tell you, I think it's even, I think it's to collapse the system.

I mean, why is it happening all over the Western world?

Why are all European countries on the verge of collapse or civil war because of this?

Whose idea was that?

Regretting it now.

Yeah, well,

I mean,

you're Irish.

Thank you.

What's going on in Ireland?

Did you see the arrest of that teacher?

Did you see this?

You've been busy with your book.

You have to see it, Bill.

They arrested this teacher because he would not say

that, you know, girls could be boys and boys could be girls.

I think he taught elementary school.

I think it actually might be kindergarten.

And he said, it is my duty to protect children and teach them the truth.

And that is not the truth.

I'll look into that.

That's a good story.

You have to.

Because they arrested him.

And they're just, you know, the cops are just, I'm doing my duty.

Well, no, you don't have a duty to do the wrong thing.

You don't.

No, absolutely not.

And

we'll definitely get into that tomorrow in the NOSPIN News.

Yeah.

Confronting the President.

Is it out tomorrow?

When is it out?

It is out tomorrow, September 10th.

And you can get it all everywhere.

And we're hoping it pops to number one.

Look, the worthiness of this book is that it's fun to read.

It's not, I'm not Mr.

Hand at Fast Times at Richmond High with Spokoli.

Okay?

I can't come to your house and tell you about Thomas Jefferson.

But in our country, the truth is becoming more and more elusive.

And the propaganda, particularly now in this election, my God,

you know, and you'll see it on display tomorrow night on the debate as Harris just basically says, oh, open border, that's Trump's fault.

Oh,

20% rise in the cost of essentials of life.

That's Trump's fault.

And then you'll have the two ABC people there going, uh-uh, uh-uh, next question, you know, and I mean, that's propaganda.

That's how totalitarian societies rise.

I have about 45 seconds.

What's your advice to President Trump tomorrow?

What does he have to do?

Facts.

Facts.

Just hammer her with facts.

I would lead off with, they're going to ask him some question, go, oh, look, I'll get to that.

But before, I would just like to know from the vice president as an American, because I'm a little upset here tonight on the stage.

I'm just thinking about why in God's name would you open a border to allow 10 to 15 million foreign nationals to come into this country?

Why?

That's it.

Keep it simple.

Keep it simple and civil.

I think

she wants

her thing is piss him off.

He's just got to remain.

He's got to know that, though.

I know he does.

He's got to know it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, she's said it, or at least her camp has said it.

That was her strategy.

Bill, thank you very much.

By the way, I loved your

message of the day on Dennis Quaid.

I think you're exactly right.

You can find him at billo'reilly.com, billorreilly.com.

Also, the book Confronting the Presidents, the latest from Mr.

Bill O'Reilly.

Thanks, Bill.

Talk to you again.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck podcast.

Alan Dershowitz, Harvard Law Professor, Emeritus, host of the

Dersch Show and Get Trump author.

He came out this weekend joining his voice to many others saying, I'm not a Democrat anymore.

He's an independent.

He's not saying he's going to vote for Trump.

But there is a problem in the Democratic Party, as we have been pointing out for a while now.

They're not.

your grandfather's Democratic Party, your father's, even maybe your Democratic Party anymore.

They're not.

Dershowitz is joining us now.

Alan, how are you, sir?

Well, I'm feeling really good as an independent.

You know, I've been a Democrat for 70 years.

I started supporting the Democratic Party in the early 1950s as a kid who went around in a sound truck supporting Philip Schuppler, the Democratic candidate for assemblyman in Brooklyn.

And I haven't voted for a single non-Democrat for president

since John Kennedy in 1960.

But like Ronald Reagan said, the Democratic Party has left me by having people like Keith Ellison, who is a supporter of the Reverend Tharrakant, and the Reverend Sharpton, who conducted an anti-Semitic pogrom

in the Bronx and in Brooklyn back in the day, and AOC, who says that Israel is a genocidal state.

And people like Bernie Sanders, that's not my party.

I can't support a party like that.

I'm going to be independent, and I'm hoping maybe someday the Democrats will come back to their roots.

But until then, don't count on my support.

This is

really

earth-shattering, I think, to some people.

And the minute I read this, Ellen, I thought of your children and your wife, because

I know decisions that you make, like decisions I make, affect the whole family.

How is that going?

Terrible, terrible.

My nephew wrote to me yesterday and said, you're now to the right of, and then he mentioned, you know, some of the people who are,

you know, the old Republicans, Cheney and others who are now supporting Harris.

And

my family,

everybody in my family is a Democrat.

And most of my friends, I don't have that many friends left, because I have supported Donald Trump's civil liberties even before I left the Democratic Democratic Party.

You know, I'm a civil libertarian first

and

I hate what the Democrats have done to Donald Trump.

You know, that New York case and some of the

cases.

So I've, you know, I've been on his side of the legal issues for years now.

Right.

But that's not, I mean, what they're doing on

censorship overall is terrifying.

Really terrifying.

Well, it's happening around the world.

It's happening in England.

They're putting people in jail for protests.

It's horrible.

And they're applying the double standard on universities.

You can't say a word negative about protected minorities on college campuses.

But if you use the wrong pronoun, you'll get suspended.

But you can call Israel a genocidal country.

And you can say

Jews are destroying America.

That's okay.

That's First Amendment protected speech.

And I don't mind that as long as you apply the same standard to everybody.

They're not.

They're not.

They're applying a double standard.

So,

Alan, do you sense

that this is more than just you?

Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

I've gotten hundreds and hundreds of calls and emails from people who say, you know, we used to be Democrats.

We still support a lot of the Democratic platform on abortion rights and gay rights.

But we can't be members of a party that features Keith Ellison or AOC or people like that.

You know, the Republicans have their problem too with Tucker Carlson.

He platformed recently

a Holocaust denier, and he ought to be ashamed of himself for doing that.

Neither party is perfect, but I think the Republicans have done a better job of marginalizing their extremists than the Democrats have done.

Well, I mean, you know,

it's hard when

Kamala

came out this weekend, you know, saying,

I understand

the

Palestinians, those who are

standing up for the, you know, for Hamas or the Palestinian cause.

I have sympathy for them.

And that's why Israel,

they have to offer a two-state solution.

They don't want a two-state solution.

Israel's offered a two-state solution.

They don't want one.

There isn't a single protester.

I will give $1,000 to Hamas if you can show me protesters, protesters who are calling for a two-state solution.

What they're calling for is the end of Israel.

What they're calling for is a victory of Hamas.

What they're calling for is the end of Israel.

They're not calling for a two-state solution.

That's ridiculous.

And they're not even calling for a ceasefire because Israel has agreed to the ceasefire.

Even the State Department has said it's all up to Hamas now.

Has a single protester ever said, hey, Hamas, agree to a ceasefire.

Maybe then you can save some lives.

Nobody is calling for that.

These are just calls for the end of Israel and they're calls for the end of America.

Recently, some of the protesters were burning American flags and saying our real goal is the destruction of America.

Because Israel is a surrogate for America.

Why is there so much focus on Israel?

Is there any focus on Darfur on the Sudan where people are literally dying of hunger and thirst?

No,

because that has nothing to do with being anti-American.

So it's all about anti-Americanism.

So when you left the Democratic Party, it's more than just their stance on Israel?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

No, it's the whole movement to the hard left.

And look, I am a centrist Democrat.

I'm a liberal.

I'm an anti-radical.

I believe in civil liberties and free speech, all the

basic aspects of the Bill of Rights.

And the Democrats aren't supporting that these days.

For them, it's free speech for me, but not for the.

So Dick Cheney came out, speaking of your nephew.

Dick Cheney came out this weekend and said there's never been a bigger threat to the Republic, or I think he probably said democracy, than Donald Trump.

What do you make of that?

I don't know.

I mean, you know, he was

a pretty tough vice president and

pretty aggressive in his support of American policies.

I don't know whether it has to do with his daughter.

I don't know whether it has to do with his feeling that the Republicans haven't given him enough deference.

He hasn't quit the Republican Party.

As far as I know, he's still a Republican, but he's going to vote for Harrison against Trump.

I understand.

I know people like that as well.

And I know people on the other side.

This is

an election that's very much about personalities.

You know, I don't know very many people who are going to vote for anybody in this election.

I think there are a lot of people who are voting against the candidate, and they haven't decided which candidate they're voting against yet.

The American people really were entitled to a better choice.

So, if

you were talking in front of a jury, let's make America 12 men and women,

and you had to make a case

that the Democrats are actually a bigger threat, at least the way they're currently put together.

How would you change p how would you approach the jury?

Well, I would approach the jury by looking at the facts, by seeing what the Democrats have done, how they've abused the rule of law, how they're violating the First Amendment, the Fifth Amendment, the Sixth Amendment.

They're

using lawfare in politics.

They're distorting democracy.

And look, I don't like the fact that President Trump claimed he won the last election.

He didn't win the last election, although I think a lot of people think he did.

But I don't like the way the world and the country and the Democrats have reacted to that.

He has a free speech right to make that position.

He shouldn't have been indicted for any of the charges that he was indicted for.

And I think if you were to single out one case, it's the New York case against them where they made up a crime, has done more damage to the rule of law and to democracy than anything Donald Trump has done.

Ellen, thank you so much.

My pleasure.

I feel for your family because I know.

I know what it's like.

I know.

It's tough for them.

It's tough for them.

But they look.

They have to buy the whole package.

They know who I am.

I'm always going to stand up for principal.

And, you know, I put family first, but I put principal first too.

So, yeah.

And mostly my family has been supportive.

Not everyone in the family, but mostly my family has been supportive.

Yeah.

Well, you know, you're probably feeling a lot like Robert F.

Kennedy Jr.

right now.

Well,

Bobby's an old friend of mine.

I've known him since he was a young man.

And, of course, I've supported the Kennedys.

right from the beginning.

I'll tell you a funny story about that.

So I was at a dinner party when I was still invited to dinner parties, and

they seated Caroline Kennedy next to me.

And she said, If I knew you had been invited, I wouldn't have come because you defended Donald Trump.

And I said, Yeah, but I also defended Ted Kennedy.

That's how I first came to Martha's Vineyard defending Ted Kennedy.

That chap aquitick, would you have walked out on me for that?

Well, she had no answer.

What do you think of Robert F.

Kennedy joining the Trump thing?

I'm not surprised.

I mean, they have a lot in common.

And,

you know, he has very strong views, some of which I agree with, some of which I disagree with, but he's a serious guy.

And I have to tell you, he's a great volleyball player.

I've played against him a couple of times.

My nose still hurts from some of the socks into my face.

But I like Bobby.

And, you know, I like his feistiness.

I don't agree with all of his politics, but he shouldn't be attacked by his family.

He's an individual.

He's entitled to make his own decisions.

Alan Dershowitz, thank you very much, sir.

Appreciate it.

My pleasure.

Thank you.

Good to talk to you.

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