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In today's world, anything can happen, and something did.

It was historic last night.

Joe Biden, well, Chip Roy is on the podcast today talking about how he's trying to pass a bill now to

get the cabinet to invoke the 25th Amendment.

The world watched our president look feeble and weak, and we are in deep trouble.

I don't want him to resign.

Politically, it would be a, it's a home run now for Donald Trump to win.

And I would love for Donald Trump just to walk through and just get into the office and really have a win that's so substantial, we're not divided anymore.

But this guy cannot be president of the United States a day more.

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We talk about the media, their reaction, the Democrats.

We talk to Trump advisors of the vape Ramaswamy.

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Wow.

Wow.

Last night, I watched something I've never seen before.

This country just continues to get more and more bizarre.

When the president, I'm going to spend some time here talking as if you've watched the debate last night because we have so much to cover.

But I will tell you, let me just play the first thing that came out of Joe Biden's mouth last night.

Do we have the first cut with his opening statement, please?

Let me look for the number.

I'm sorry.

It's cut six.

President Biden, inflation has slowed, but prices remain high.

Since you took office, the price of essentials has increased.

For example, a basket of groceries that cost $100 then now costs more than $120.

And typical home prices have jumped more than 30%.

What do you say to voters who feel they are worse off under your presidency than they were under President Trump?

We got to take a look at what I was left when I became president.

Okay, stop.

Trump left me.

When he walked out at first, he looked like the walking dead.

And

I think you're going to be surprised at some of the things I say today.

because I'm not playing politics and I'm hearing everybody else playing politics.

He looked really bad, really bad.

And then when he opened up his voice or opened up his mouth and that came out, well, I just want to,

it was breathtaking, breathtaking.

Just his presentation.

Continue, please.

President Trump.

We got to take a look at what I was left when I became president, what Mr.

Trump left me.

We had an economy that was in free fall.

The pandemic was so badly handled.

Many people were dying.

All he said was, it's not that serious.

Just inject a little bleach into your arm.

You'll be all right.

The economy collapsed.

There were no jobs.

Unemployment rate rose to 15%.

It was terrible.

And so what we had to do was try to put things back together again.

And that's exactly what we began to do.

That's probably the clearest he was all night.

Now, let me give you,

well, let's cut 14, please.

Biden on the border.

Given that, why should voters trust you to solve this crisis?

Because we worked very hard to get a bipartisan agreement that not only changed all of that, made sure that we were in a situation where you had no circumstance where they could come across the border with the number of border police there are now.

We significantly increased the number of asylum officers, significantly, by the way, the Border Patrol endorsed me, endorsed my position.

In addition to that, we found ourselves in a situation where when he was president, he was taking, separating babies from their mothers, putting them in cages, making sure

the families are separated.

That's not the right way to go.

What I've done since I've changed the law, what's happened?

I've changed it in a way that now you're in a situation where there's 40% fewer people coming across the border illegally.

That's better than when he left office.

And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban on

the total initiative relative to what we're going to do with more Border Patrol and more asylum officers.

President Trump?

I really don't know what he said at the end of that sentence.

I don't think he knows what he said either.

Stop.

Cut 11.

Here's Joe Biden on Medicare.

We'd be able to wipe out his debt.

We'd be able to help make sure that all those things we need to do, child care, elder care, making sure that we continue to strengthen our health care system, making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person

eligible for what I've been able to do with

the COVID, excuse me, with

dealing with everything we have to do with.

Look,

if

we finally beat Medicare.

Thank you, President Biden.

President Trump?

He's right.

He did beat Medicare.

He beat it to death, and he's destroying Medicare.

That is one of the first fumbles that Biden made.

And notice, Donald Trump did not take a swing at him.

He said, you know, yeah, he did.

He did hit Medicare, and he damn near destroyed it.

He's not making fun of his age.

It is the most restrained I have ever seen Donald Trump.

And we'll get into the strategy, which I believe was the strategy of the night for Biden,

which was a complete and total disaster.

Let me,

gosh.

Stunning.

I'm just having to, it's like, it's like Sophie's choice here.

I've got so much that I have to get on to the show today, and I just don't, I'm just, I'm going to just have to

assume that you knew what happened or that was enough information.

It was something I have never, ever seen before.

It was terrifying.

Terrifying.

If I'm Putin, I am

storming

Europe.

If I am China, I am going into Taiwan right now.

This is the weakest our president has ever appeared.

Okay.

Never before in my lifetime.

I remember, I wasn't around for Kennedy, but I remember when Reagan was in the hospital after being shot.

And that was a very nerve-wracking time because he's not in charge and he transferred the powers

to the vice president while he was in the hospital right at the beginning.

It was terrifying because you knew the world was watching.

Now, here's,

there were three things that happened last night or a few categories.

One,

those who knew

Those who knew that

Joe Biden was like this

should be the most freaked out.

And I'll explain in a minute.

Those who believed in the media and all of this garbage that, no, this is just Republican, you know, a cheap fake.

He's never been more sharp.

He's never been better than he is right now.

He's so sharp and nimble.

Anybody who believed that

and you saw this performance last night, you were probably in shock

and you're lost today.

You don't know what to think today.

But here's what those people who believe the media and were shocked last night,

here's what you should be thinking today.

I cannot trust any of my trusted sources because they all lied to me.

And I'll get to it in a second on why this is so important.

Then there were those who

ran this con

and who participated in this con.

And I include every member of the press corps.

Anybody who's talked to him, anybody who's seen him, anybody who has seen him up close in personal, has had conversations as the press, you knew it.

You knew it.

Also, those who ran the con in the White House and the Democratic Party.

Shame on you.

We do need a list of the people who ran this con and covered for him, and I'll explain why again in a second.

And then there are those,

and they can fit in the last three categories, but

definitely the last two.

Those who are today responding by saying the Democratic Party is in trouble.

That what are we going to do for the election?

Can we get him to step down before the convention?

If we do, how do we pay?

Are you out of your mind?

We are now facing nuclear threats that we haven't faced since the 1960s.

But in the 1960s, we had a jackass of the Soviet Union, Khrushchev,

but he was at least aware.

We had Jack Kennedy, who was in so much pain, not unbeknownst to you, the doctors were jacking him up on drugs.

But at least he was sane and all there.

We have a president that will have seven minutes to decide.

Seven minutes.

You know, I don't know if you know

what it is like if there is a launch of a nuclear weapon or even one that we think

has a nuclear bomb in it.

If North Korea would launch a hypersonic weapon at us,

We would have less time than seven minutes.

We wouldn't be able to verify if that was a nuke or

The president has seven minutes to decide.

And what happens?

They open up the football and they take out what's called the Black Book of Death.

That's how serious this is.

It's called the Black Book of Death.

They open it up and it is like a

Cheesecake Factory

menu.

And the president has to look through it and say, okay, this city, this system, these ships, these silos.

And then the guy who's with the football is kind of like an actuary.

He then has to look at all of those and take each selection and then go back to the president and say, within seven minutes, okay, Mr.

President, this is going to result in this many dead.

Your target is North Korea.

But the selections that you made, some of those cities are up against the border of China.

The radiation will blow into China and you'll kill an additional 250,000 Chinese.

The Chinese will look at that as aggression against them and they may launch against you.

You may now include the Chinese.

Also, up north, you're up towards Russia.

You're going to kill citizens in Russia as well.

Is this your selection, sir?

I am so angry today

that I haven't heard one

single person

on television or in the political realm talk about

the country.

They're all talking about an election.

How do we replace him before the convention?

How do we get him off of the ticket?

How do we get this man away from the football?

Do you know what our enemies were thinking last night?

This country is in more danger, clear and present danger, than we have been, I believe, possibly in my lifetime.

We are weak.

The world knows it.

We have enemies everywhere.

They know it.

They are threatening nuclear weapons.

We cannot have this man with the black book of death and the button.

Does anyone understand

what you actually saw?

You didn't see a presidential candidate.

You saw the president of the United States.

Where is anyone?

If you are celebrating because you're like, oh, God, this is going to be great for Trump?

A,

be careful what you wish for.

But B,

more than self their country loved.

If you are somebody who's on the left thinking, oh, well, this just played into the, quote, caricature.

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We weren't trying to build that.

Do you think we want our country to be destroyed?

Does any American want our president to look like that?

Any American?

What the hell is wrong with us?

We're in more trouble

not because of Joe Biden.

We're in more trouble

because people are not recognizing the danger that is right in front of us

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The Vaik Rabaswamy, where were you last night during the debate?

I was in Atlanta.

We were watching it with a number of our fellow allies in the spin room where I was handling a lot of the media before and after.

And I got to tell you, Glenn, the media mood was despondent in response.

I mean, what we saw last night was, I think, a rejection of this country's greatness.

President Biden standing there like he not had a drug, performance-enhancing drug, but like he had a lobotomy beforehand.

And the reality is this became more evident to me that they scheduled this debate as the first ever June debate in history.

It's the earliest ever debate to happen before the nominating convention of their own party.

It's increasingly clear why.

They wanted to put him through one final test before he became the nominee, and he failed it miserably.

That's the reality.

Yeah, I will tell you,

I have a theory on exactly how this all came down and why, and I'm going to express that next hour.

But you're exactly right.

This was

either a test or it was coordinated by those who knew

this guy he can't win and he shouldn't be president.

But

we'll see.

So you say the press was despondent.

How could the press corps be shocked by something they had to have seen over and over again?

It depends on who you mean in the press corps, right?

You're thinking about the young people who are on the ground as the people who are assigned to be there that night.

They're just following directions.

I think the higher-level fact of the matter is the managerial class has lost their use for Joe Biden.

So, in some sense, they were prepared for him to be hung out to dry.

What I really think is the fact that any Americans at home are surprised by what they saw, and many of my independent and centrist friends last night were shocked.

That is actually the indictment of the media because the media has been playing interference, running interference for Joe Biden for a long time, but now they've just decided to let the old man fend for his own, and he wasn't able to do it.

And so, the reality is they've lost their use for Biden.

His cognitive deficits, this is what it also reveals, Glenn, is for the people around him, the managerial class around him.

Cognitive deficits haven't been a bug.

It's kind of a feature because that's what allows them to control him.

But right now, that managerial class is ready for a new candidate, I think.

Let me ask you, beyond the candidacy, have you read Annie Jacobson's book, Nuclear War?

I have not.

No.

I'll add that to myself.

You should read it.

I know how you love to read.

You'd love that book.

It talks about the first, I think it's 15 or 30 minutes of a nuclear war and minute by minute, and it's amazing.

There is no way that that man should be present.

They should be talking and you've run many companies.

If that was your CEO and you were chairman of the board, would you not be holding a vote today with the board of directors to relieve him of his duties, not because of a bad performance, but because he proved last night he is not capable of

even understanding the complex issues.

And the vote would be unanimous, of course.

But the reality is this is a danger to the future of the United States.

We're more vulnerable than we have ever been.

Our homeland right now, Glenn, is more vulnerable than it's ever been in my lifetime to attacks of various kinds, from missile to super EMP to cyber to what's happening even in our southern border.

But the fact of the matter is, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, you ought to find it frightening if there's something, somebody who looked like he came straight out of a nursing home for the debate, responsible for not only the nuclear codes, but our own national defense.

And I say that speaking not as a Republican or as a partisan, but just as an American, that's a sad day for the country.

And I think it's why so many people at home were left saddened by what they saw.

I mean, if you didn't care about the country, all you'd be talking about was this was fantastic for Donald Trump last night because this is guaranteed.

If he's the candidate, it's guarantee that Donald Trump will win in November.

But that's not good for the country.

And I don't want Biden to be replaced because they might find somebody that I don't know who they could find.

Gavin Newsom.

I can't imagine any of these people winning.

But they could go to somebody like Michelle Obama, which would be an absolute disaster.

But let me go now to politics.

I thought Donald Trump

did the best debate and was the most disciplined, at least for the first 70 minutes, that I've ever seen him.

I mean, I thought he did a remarkable job.

Right.

And I think the first half is what defines the course of the debate, and he nailed it.

I do think one thing towards the end, also, to give him credit for one piece of the second half, which I loved, was that piece at the end where he authentically said it and meant it, and it came across as authentic.

Yes.

That he wanted Biden to be a good president.

That he has to be putting himself through this.

Everybody in the country and everybody in the world knows he wouldn't be charged with everything he's being charged with unless he was running for U.S.

president.

He lives a good life without going into this.

And it's something as an outsider I'm empathetic to deeply.

Business owners across this country are empathetic to deeply.

You don't have to put yourself through this kind of suffering.

And Donald Trump said that through the camera to the audience last night.

I think everyone at home believed him because it was just credible.

It was authentic.

It was true.

And I think that also goes to the point that you made, Glenn, which is this isn't even a partisan point.

Even Donald Trump and every one of us would love for Joe Biden to be and has been a great president, but he's not.

And I think that that authentic delivery, I thought that was one of the nicer pieces of Donald Trump's debate performance last night that others haven't really appreciated maybe quite as much.

I think that actually converted a lot of independent-minded people who were watching that late into the debate.

I was on Donald Trump Jr.'s the podcast triggered yesterday with him, and we started talking about the economy.

And I said, you know,

I'm not a billionaire.

You are,

But I'm not hurting.

My family's not starving for cash.

Vivek, you're not starving for cash.

But if you ever go through a drive-through, the first thing that I think of, the first thing Don Jr.

told me he thought of, and I bet it's with you, is how is the average person surviving this?

You can't have two people going through for $35

for happy meals.

It's not sustainable.

And I thought Donald Trump did a good job last night.

And he should be recognized as

a billionaire who actually does, because he goes through the drive-through and he doesn't have to care, but he does think, how are people doing this?

And the reality is if people like you or me or Trump have ticker shock, imagine the effect that has on

Americans who are showing up in the grocery store and paying bills they've never seen.

But at a moment when we're, here's the key part of this, talk about inflation, their wages have not gone up to keep up with that inflation.

And I think it's the double whammy that people feel at home.

And that's also why people are having fewer children right now.

A big reason why many families are choosing to bring fewer children into the world and into this country is because they feel like they can't have the economic stability to do it.

So that economic risk is now actually feeding.

And I don't mean to be hyperbolic about it.

It's just true.

We do have a repopulation problem.

We have a fertility rate problem in this country.

But those aren't abstract questions.

They're directly related to the government policies, including those that have given us the flailing economy of the last few years.

And this economy, it is a moral issue for that reason.

It's not just a money issue.

It is a moral issue of a political class that has really spat in the face of the very people they're supposed to serve.

And the most beautiful part about this, Glenn, is it is solvable.

You know, Joe Joe Biden's approach is vengeance towards the ultra-successful.

Donald Trump is part of the ultra-successful, and he doesn't exhibit vengeance towards them.

But I think many Americans understand that what I love about Trump is even though he succeeds, I don't have to begrudge him for that success.

To the contrary, he has the skills that allowed him to succeed as an entrepreneur and as an independent voice outside of politics to help me through politics as well.

It's what got him there the first time, and I think it's what's going to get him there again.

So Donald Trump believes that there is such a thing as as good debt.

I believe there's good debt as well.

If you're spending money to make money and you are growing your business, you're fine.

So, you know, that's why some theory is that you can have a healthy amount of debt.

But the debt that we're acquiring now.

Tell me, Vivek, can you name one thing that we have besides seven EVs,

charging stations around the country?

Can you tell me what we have that's an asset with all of the debt that we've racked up over the four years?

Well, look at one thing.

And

I obviously don't think the national debt should be zero, but it's at $34 trillion and growing.

We're on track for the interest payments on that debt to be the largest line item on our federal budget.

So just to draw the individual analogy, you know, do you have a loan on your car?

Do you have a loan on your house?

It's one thing.

If the interest payments that you're making on your loans are the largest item that that you or your family spend on, that's not sustainable for your family in the same way as it's not sustainable for our nation.

That's the way to think about the size of this problem.

And the worst thing of all is, to your point, are we actually spending it on things that increase our prosperity, increase the quality of life for our people?

No.

It is in the name of this Green New Deal, a climate change agenda that I've said it before and I'll say it again, climate change agenda that absolutely is a hoax, that ultimately has nothing to do with the climate and everything to do with letting China catch up to and supersede the United States because they're not tying their hands with the same constraint that the United States is adopting on its own.

And I thought Donald Trump did a great job last night not falling for that climate change question, coming out and saying that we do stand for clean air and clean water.

That, too, is part of America First, but not bending the need of some global climate religion that's adding to our national debt.

So, Vivek, you're a businessman.

How does Donald Trump turn this economy around?

Because we are just on the precipice.

He is going to have to do tax cuts, and he is also going to have to probably spend money and just cut regulation.

Is that enough to turn this around?

It's a big first step, and I'll tell you there's more we can do, too.

But cutting those regulations is not an understatement in its impact.

We are

a regulatory state that has expanded far beyond the scope of what our founders envisioned.

And it is at once a threat to our constitutional republic, where the people we elect to run the government, they're not the ones writing the rules anymore.

Not only is that an affront to our constitution, it's also an affront to our economy.

And so that alone is going to unleash a new wave of just economic prosperity from rolling back the regulatory state alone.

Now, let's get more specific with respect to the debt, as well as economic growth, as well as inflation.

There's one step that can take care of all three right at once.

Get the oil and gas out from underneath our ground and sell it.

And use that to buy down a big part of our national debt.

That's a triple way, Glenn.

First of all, you've increased the supply of energy.

That brings down costs, brings down inflation.

It delivers economic growth.

And even more importantly, that is a way that without touching Social Security, Medicare, or raising taxes, you can actually buy down our national debt, which then brings down the interest costs of those payments.

And I know Donald Trump is thinking exactly along those lines.

He's got the right vision.

It's not rocket science, right?

Rocket science is rocket science.

This is basic policy.

And yet, that level of common sense is actually what's missing in the policies that we're seeing today.

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I led the show today

with the comment: you cannot think about politics right now.

Politics would say we got to just let him go, let Joe Biden be the candidate.

But it's wrong for the country and dangerous.

Our enemies watched his performance last night, and we are very vulnerable.

Just remember, constitutionally, only the Secretary of Defense, the guy who brought us, you know, all of our wonderful exits from Afghanistan and all of the great things our military has been doing lately, only he can advise the president if the football is needed.

Only he.

And

read Annie Jacobson's book, Nuclear War.

There's no way this guy could handle it.

There's no way.

And

we are

insanely close

to somebody doing something stupid.

We cannot have him as president.

Now, Chip Roy, I was glad to see this morning.

He's already on it.

And he is.

Are you putting a bill through or are you just trying to gather people to encourage the the 25th Amendment?

Good morning, Glenn.

Yeah, I mean, first of all, let me just co-sponsor everything you just said.

We all have our political biases.

I am a strong supporter of President Trump.

I thought he did great last night in terms of laying out his views on the border and all these issues.

Obviously, those of us who follow politics have known that President Biden has been diminishing, that he has been demonstrating his clear incapacity and inability to carry out the powers and duties of the office.

I think last night it was on full display in a way that was much more apparent.

And to your point, it was a clearly demonstration, a clear demonstration to our enemies.

And the result of which is a weakened and endangered American people, not just the nuclear football, not just the codes, not just the decision-making about those really perilous issues, but just things like handling the border and the extent to which people are coming in and killing Americans.

and the extent to which we're not pushing on Putin the right way.

We're getting into the risk of World War III in Ukraine, the extent to which we're siding with the Palestinians over Israel.

All of these things are a direct consequence of his complete diminished capacity, which again was on full display last night.

So I am filing either today or early next week a very simple resolution that lays out those observations and then simply says that we're calling on the Vice President of the United States to exercise her authority under Section 4 of the 25th Amendment of the Constitution to

find that the President can no longer carry out the duties of of the office.

And we believe that she should convene the cabinet to do that.

We believe that that's important.

And this is a non-political statement.

I happen to believe that it is beneficial for us politically to be strong on standing up for the Constitution and defending the country and calling it like we see it.

And I think if the Democrats are going to go try to pull him down, they're going to do that anyway.

We should not view it through those lenses.

That is blindness.

I think we have seven months at least under this guy and a potential of longer.

If you let him run for reelection and he happens to win,

you know, we can't allow that.

So I think President Trump is perfectly capable of defeating him or Kamala Harris or anyone else they want to throw up.

And I think we should right now focus on the fact he is unable to faithfully discharge the duties that he has been empowered to do as commander-in-chief.

You know, I think the political operatives on the left are so

cynical and callous and, you know, power hungry that they won't understand that a lot of Americans on both sides of the aisle watched that last night and were frightened by what they saw, but also sad.

This was extraordinary to watch the President of the United States.

And I watched it last night.

I'm like, if he's declined this much since the state of the Union,

what is he going to be like in November or January?

He's not going to be all there.

And what does that mean for us?

And look, I don't want,

for me personally,

if I wanted to look at all of this politically, I would say, let him rot.

Because Donald Trump, it will be such a massive victory for Donald Trump because nobody could vote for him.

And I think Kamala Harris, you know, is not a rocket scientist, and I disagree with her on almost everything, and I don't want her to be president either.

But what I do know, it's bad for America if he continues another day.

It is bad for my children's safety and your children's safety.

But, you know, everybody in the White House knew it.

His cabinet, they know about it.

And only Kamala Harris, who is unpopular in the White House, can instigate that.

And she has to then go to the cabinet.

And you have to, what is it, a majority of the cabinet, has to say, yes, we agree with you.

Correct.

They're running the show.

They're running the presidency.

Why would they give up that power?

Well, I mean, that's a very good point, which is to some degree the impetus behind my desire to put forward a resolution.

Now, look, there are questions about whether it can be what we call privilege, whether I can even get a vote on it.

There's questions, you know, I'll let the body kind of work its will a little bit.

I think it's important to file it.

I think it's important for at least one member of Congress, maybe others, to make the statement that we believe that the president is unfit to carry out the duties as commander-in-chief and to put pressure on them.

And look, if they're going to be political and if they're going to rally around and say, hey, man, we're the cabinet secretaries.

We've got all the power now.

We're calling the shots.

The White House, you know,

politicals are all calling the shots and Biden's just going along for it.

If they're going to be that cynical, then that'll play out politically.

And I've done what I think I should do as a man and as an American and as a member of Congress and who has an oath under the Constitution.

If not,

then fine.

If they go carry it out and they go proceed under the 25th, it's not like I'm going to be doing jumping jacks and jumping down excited about Kamala Harris being the one making the decisions.

I mean, good grief.

She's got massive deficiencies in terms of her capabilities and

obviously her ideology.

But there's a clear distinction, distinction right and the president um is not even the president that he was when he was elected um you know in 20 uh 20

and uh you know i think that when we look at this as americans as you put it glenn we have an obligation to make that clear um but process-wise for your listeners the way the 25th amendment worked the vice president has to make the call to convene the cabinet a majority would then send a letter up to the congress and they would say you know we're assuming the duties The president can then respond and say, no, you're not.

I'm actually, you know, competent.

And they, you know, basically challenge it.

Then the cabinet can come back and say, nope, you're not.

And then the Congress votes.

That's basically the way that works.

Congress can actually pass a law that would create a different body to do that.

We've never done that.

I don't like that.

I don't like, I, you know, I like the way the 25th Amendment was written, but that assumes that you have Americans all

that love country more than self in that cabinet.

And it has to come from the cabinet and the vice president.

That way, otherwise, you'll get, you know, the Republicans saying, well, it's another form of impeachment.

Let's get him on this.

Or you'll have the Democrats doing that.

Somebody will

abuse this.

You know, you didn't expect that the cabinet would be full of people that were just so power hungry and really didn't respect the office of the president

and real true, as they say, democracy or the republic.

You never expected that there would be a group of people that would do that, but that's what they're doing right now if they don't stand up.

Is there any Democrat that would join you on this?

Because last night, I heard, you know, even Joe Scarborough said today, he's got to step down.

It is very clear and widespread when you have lost the New York Times, when you have lost Joe Scarborough, when you have lost Democratic pundits on CNN, when you're watching them basically,

they actually went beyond crying and depression.

They went straight to real concern.

And what I believe actually is opportunity.

I believe that Democrats have now known this for a long time.

They've been guilty of trying to hide it from the American people.

They've been using him as a puppet, as a Manchurian candidate to drive their radical agenda, that they've done that and on purpose, and that now they saw that the gig was up, that Trump could win.

They were hoping they could keep the Manchurian candidate in place.

They panicked and they said, you know what?

But it was a controlled panic.

Let's do this.

Let's have an early debate.

We'll see how he performs.

He didn't perform.

Now they have what they need to try to push him aside and, frankly, end run Kamala.

That's what I actually think.

I think part of this

is trying to end run Kamala with someone that they can pass and sell.

Maybe it's a Gretchen Whitmer, maybe it's somebody else, and come in and try to rally them around to come up and beat President Trump.

So for me, I think we have a constitutional duty to protect the Constitution.

He's incapable, and he's president for at least four months.

I think we should force Democrats to own it and make a choice.

Do you agree?

Do you believe he's competent?

And number three, look, let's make him choose.

And, you know, if Kamala is going to exercise this, then she would become the president, and they've got to decide if they're going to rally around her or not, or whether they try to end run her with someone else at the convention.

I think it puts them in a box and I don't think Kamala is the best candidate.

So, you know, we can see how it all plays out, but our duty is to the Constitution first.

So again, I go back to ask you, are you in Washington now?

Have you heard anybody that is talking on the other side about, hey, this is a real problem.

We got to get serious about this.

Well, look, I don't want to

break competences, but I've definitively had conversations with some of my Democrat colleagues and others, and they have very very real concerns.

People that wouldn't ordinarily say it have very real concerns.

And look, I just saw something out on social media, you know, take it for what it's worth, with someone saying that they're hearing that Ron Quain and Barack Obama are having a sit-down with the president today.

Jill Biden is the one that is saying that she insists that he runs,

and that Kamlo is furious she's not being considered as a replacement.

Whitmer and Newsom are.

Who knows?

That's crazy.

Jill Biden is the one that's trying to hold him up, and Biden is himself arrogant, and he doesn't even know what's going on.

So, you know, if they're going to rely on Biden to step down at the convention, then that may not even happen.

Maybe that's good electorally for Republicans and for President Trump and for us to take our country back.

And look, I'm willing to entertain that notion, but I still think we have a duty right now.

The guy has a nuclear code.

He should not be commander-in-chief right this second.

Every second is a second in which we're in danger.

You're exactly right.

Chip Roy, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

God bless.

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