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Speaker 62 All right, if you followed the news at all this weekend, you're with me. There is one story that needs discussion, that needs some explanation.

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Speaker 25 I'm going to get into the U-turn thing here in just a minute,

Speaker 97 but

Speaker 99 I have some breaking news from CNN.

Speaker 25 We apparently are not

Speaker 46 a republic.

Speaker 100 Now, I want you to listen to that.

Speaker 36 Please, I haven't said this in a long time, but just about everything just pisses me off so much, and I can't believe it that I've kind of given up on my head not exploding.

Speaker 80 But I guarantee you, your head will explode.

Speaker 98 on this CNN clip.

Speaker 86 So please wrap your head tightly in duct tape.

Speaker 76 It will explode, but at least you'll have all of the pieces.

Speaker 81 That way when you walk in, they'll be like, ah, another head explosion.

Speaker 65 And you'll have all the pieces so they can stitch it back together.

Speaker 27 But your head will explode on this.

Speaker 99 Here's the latest from CNN.

Speaker 106 President Biden touts his reelection campaign as a fight to preserve democracy.

Speaker 106 But if you have some Trump supporters, the former president is not a threat to democracy because the United States is not a democracy.

Speaker 106 Obviously, there's a lot of criticisms of Trump, that he is bad for democracy, that he's bad for American democracy.

Speaker 4 We are a republic.

Speaker 74 We're a republic.

Speaker 58 We are not a democracy. We are not a republic.

Speaker 55 We're not a democracy.

Speaker 106 One thing we've been hearing at Trump rallies like this over the past few months is that America isn't really a democracy.

Speaker 60 America's not a democracy.

Speaker 108 It's a republic.

Speaker 109 Look, it's not a democracy. Okay, democracy is actually not as good as you think it is.

Speaker 60 America is a democracy. It was founded as a democracy.

Speaker 106 I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories. I hear a lot of things out on the road.

Speaker 106 But to hear Americans, people who would describe themselves as patriots, say that America is not a democracy, that stopped me in my tracks.

Speaker 60 You are hearing people say America is not a democracy. Listen to these.

Speaker 60 There are people around Trump who want them to be saying that, who've been planting that narrative.

Speaker 4 Ah, okay.

Speaker 12 They've been planting that narrative.

Speaker 14 Wow.

Speaker 112 Okay.

Speaker 13 Continue on, please.

Speaker 114 Play some more if there's any more.

Speaker 118 Oh, you got to get to the okay, so see if they can give me the rest of it where they explain, where they go back and they talk to people and they're saying,

Speaker 4 you're wrong.

Speaker 44 We're not a republic.

Speaker 95 And they make this into a giant scandal.

Speaker 4 We

Speaker 4 are

Speaker 61 a republic.

Speaker 121 And to the republic for which it stands, okay?

Speaker 16 Here's the problem.

Speaker 15 People don't understand what the difference is between a democracy.

Speaker 73 We are a democracy on voting day.

Speaker 14 One man, one vote.

Speaker 94 You go in and you use the democratic principle of one man, one vote, and you democratically elect

Speaker 42 people to their position.

Speaker 54 But what you're not doing is voting on every single law.

Speaker 98 You are voting for a representative.

Speaker 94 That representative represents you in the republic.

Speaker 46 A republic

Speaker 54 understands that people can't understand every single issue and be voting on every single issue.

Speaker 102 A republic also understands that a democracy is bad.

Speaker 127 A

Speaker 119 democracy-only country will fail every time because all you need is to whip enough people into a frenzy, schedule a vote, they'll vote the way you want them to vote.

Speaker 85 It will bring you things like the Patriot Act.

Speaker 73 When something bad happens, people will be like, we got to stop all those Japanese.

Speaker 132 Let's put them into a camp.

Speaker 17 Okay?

Speaker 46 You have a republic to slow the...

Speaker 134 the process down and give reason a chance.

Speaker 99 Can you imagine this country voting on every single issue when they don't even know the difference between a republic and a democracy?

Speaker 72 And when you have media that is going to experts, so-called experts, and telling us that

Speaker 131 we're not a republic?

Speaker 67 A lot of time was spent with the founders trying to find the best system.

Speaker 105 They ruled democracy out because they always fail.

Speaker 73 So they took the democratic principle, which is one man, one vote, used that to select representatives.

Speaker 54 We are a representative republic.

Speaker 16 And that you have to be able to explain that to people.

Speaker 142 You have to understand, look,

Speaker 50 democracy is a very important part of our republic.

Speaker 15 But it is not what we are.

Speaker 143 we are a democratic republic

Speaker 120 so we vote for the people to represent us why is the democracy part so important

Speaker 28 well the democracy part is really important because what was the war in heaven all about

Speaker 142 If you go back and you read your scriptures and you look at the war in heaven, what was it about?

Speaker 119 It was about Satan saying, I'll cleanse all of them.

Speaker 94 You don't need anything but me.

Speaker 3 I'll go down and I will tell everyone

Speaker 98 what they're supposed to do and keep them from sinning. I'll keep them safe.

Speaker 53 And they won't make any decisions on their own.

Speaker 94 I'll tell them they can only do these things.

Speaker 51 And then Jesus stood up and said, no,

Speaker 134 they must have freedom of choice.

Speaker 91 And so I will go down and atone for all of their mistakes.

Speaker 129 So the very first thing in the very first argument

Speaker 139 in all of the scriptures,

Speaker 24 The first argument was over free choice.

Speaker 23 Do I have someone make all the decisions to keep me safe and free from all harm?

Speaker 152 or

Speaker 3 do I have a Savior that will rebalance things and make sure that you're clean enough because no one can be clean enough.

Speaker 136 No one will ever be perfect on earth.

Speaker 56 Unless

Speaker 153 Satan would say

Speaker 155 Somebody tells them exactly what they can and cannot do.

Speaker 157 Well, that is a misunderstanding of human nature that is a misunderstanding of God's nature so one man one vote yes very important

Speaker 159 but then take human nature into account

Speaker 42 human nature is to just go with their feelings

Speaker 127 that's a bad idea

Speaker 160 So the whole Constitution is written to restrain the government so they cannot make every decision for you like they're trying to.

Speaker 36 This is when people say government thinks it's God.

Speaker 99 Government is their God.

Speaker 98 Yes, it is, because they want it to make all of the decisions for you.

Speaker 101 Does that sound like the plan of Jesus or the plan of Satan?

Speaker 100 So you elect the representatives.

Speaker 159 They answer to you.

Speaker 36 This is why they are the ones that hold the purse.

Speaker 94 Congress is supposed to be the only one that can initiate spending.

Speaker 15 But these people who claim they're for democracy are just spending it anyway.

Speaker 130 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 139 They hold the purse.

Speaker 157 They're the closest to you.

Speaker 141 They're elected every two years.

Speaker 4 Why?

Speaker 163 Because

Speaker 112 you need to be able to tell your representative, no, that's not what we want.

Speaker 14 That's why every bill of spending, everything needs to start with Congress.

Speaker 135 But what happened to Congress?

Speaker 3 Why isn't Congress doing anything?

Speaker 21 Well, they'll say it's because of the Republicans and the Democrats.

Speaker 40 No,

Speaker 125 it's because no one in Washington wants it to work that way.

Speaker 164 They want to be able to issue dictates.

Speaker 17 Dictate, dictate.

Speaker 168 That's the root word of something else.

Speaker 50 Oh, a dictator.

Speaker 123 They want to issue either an executive order, which is part of the American Republic, but they were never meant to be used like this.

Speaker 6 All the things that are going through executive order now are the responsibility of Congress and the Senate.

Speaker 35 They were never, we were never to be ruled by faceless bureaucrats that no one elected.

Speaker 73 You want to talk about

Speaker 84 to democracy,

Speaker 35 the EPA, the ATF,

Speaker 169 the

Speaker 127 housing people, the the the Fed,

Speaker 119 all of these things that you never elected.

Speaker 160 You never elected any of those people.

Speaker 166 And it's okay if they are hired to be in there to make the system work, but instead they're making the rules which become laws.

Speaker 125 Only Congress can make laws.

Speaker 82 But we don't do that anymore.

Speaker 105 That's why we have to restore the republic.

Speaker 165 Democracy is happening, and democracy is very important.

Speaker 148 But we have to restore the republic because the republic part of our democratic republic is broken.

Speaker 94 The lies and the lies from not only the media, but the so-called experts.

Speaker 175 When are we going to stop listening to these experts?

Speaker 110 Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 111 I'll tell you.

Speaker 150 Because the rest of that CNN CNN report went on and went back to the people who said we're a republic, not a democracy.

Speaker 142 And then they couldn't understand, they couldn't define what a republic was.

Speaker 142 Well, you're of no help.

Speaker 142 You're of no help.

Speaker 72 That's why we have the experts.

Speaker 176 Don't claim something if you don't.

Speaker 15 All knowledge, all information, everything you believe must be yours.

Speaker 98 And it must be purchased at the price

Speaker 105 that apparently is too high for somebody to some people to pay most Americans to pay the price you have for your opinion is it is your opinion that you have done some sort of research you've done some sort of thinking on this and you haven't taken it from a boob like me and just went oh yeah well he said it and you know it sounded really good so we are a republic not a democracy.

Speaker 9 You can't take what I have spent my lifetime learning and studying.

Speaker 123 You can't take it from me.

Speaker 34 It must be your own.

Speaker 67 It's like a testimony of God.

Speaker 125 If you don't have a testimony that is yours, if you are feasting on somebody else's, you're doomed.

Speaker 56 Okay. It won't work.

Speaker 15 It will break down.

Speaker 94 And people will say, well, wait a minute.

Speaker 54 What about this or this and this?

Speaker 125 If you haven't thought of that, then you don't really have a testimony.

Speaker 15 If you haven't thought, when I say, well, what is the difference between a

Speaker 178 republic and a democracy?

Speaker 159 If you can't explain that,

Speaker 179 how do you think your kids are going to explain it?

Speaker 134 How do you think you can possibly defend the United States of America?

Speaker 80 If we don't know what our rights are,

Speaker 50 if we don't know why they were established,

Speaker 163 see, this is,

Speaker 138 give me a minute.

Speaker 13 I'm going to come back in just a second.

Speaker 161 First,

Speaker 63 let me take a minute here, a break, and tell you about the International Fellowship of Christians and Jews.

Speaker 24 On June 8th, in a daring daytime raid, Israeli security forces rescued four hostages held by Hamas, terrorists in Gaza.

Speaker 136 Some were being held in the homes of Palestinian citizens.

Speaker 82 A man named Aaron Zamora, commander of the police special counterterrorism unit, he was killed during the rescue.

Speaker 36 Israel's ground campaign against Hamas continues even as Hezbollah now is attacking them from the north.

Speaker 24 The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews has pledged,

Speaker 125 has a pledge that they are asking Christians to take, to stand with their Jewish brothers and sisters, to never be silent.

Speaker 22 The first step in this is to know why the Jewish people and why Israel even exists.

Speaker 166 Why does Israel exist?

Speaker 3 If you don't know the answer to that, then you're of no help.

Speaker 15 Israel exists for one reason, this is just one reason, and that is so they can defend themselves.

Speaker 48 Because everywhere Jews go, they end up being the scapegoat and they can't defend themselves because the country will say, well, they're dangerous.

Speaker 51 We need to disarm them.

Speaker 65 Well, no, no, no, we'll protect you.

Speaker 32 And then they never do.

Speaker 94 At least if they have a homeland, they can defend themselves.

Speaker 12 Anyway, the pledge is to ask you to say, I understand never again.

Speaker 47 I understand never again is now, at all times.

Speaker 102 I understand

Speaker 11 what is happening in the world and the evil that is happening.

Speaker 80 And I, as a Christian, pledge to the Jews all around the world, my neighbors in Israel, everywhere.

Speaker 125 I will stand with you.

Speaker 137 Will you sign this pledge?

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Speaker 75 Now let me ask you something.

Speaker 14 Why would people who say one one man, one vote is so important

Speaker 24 be the leaders on stealing votes why would somebody who really truly believes in democracy also at the same time be saying it's about the collective

Speaker 110 why

Speaker 34 if you believe in the principle of democracy that's the individual having a voice.

Speaker 14 And we have that here in America.

Speaker 146 That's part one of our republic.

Speaker 147 The individual has a voice.

Speaker 15 Now, why does the individual have a voice?

Speaker 71 Because, again, back to the war in heaven, Christ said, I will atone for all of them individually.

Speaker 132 It wasn't collective.

Speaker 157 We didn't, we can't earn it as an individual.

Speaker 132 We can't earn it as a collective.

Speaker 159 But it was personal and individual to each of us.

Speaker 56 Okay,

Speaker 11 that's where we get all men are created equal.

Speaker 42 They're created spiritually equal.

Speaker 65 It doesn't mean they're born in equal families with equal opportunities or they'll have equal outcomes.

Speaker 34 It means we all are the same in the spirit.

Speaker 127 That

Speaker 50 spark of life is the same in all of us.

Speaker 61 And we all have the same rights.

Speaker 177 No matter what station you were born in, no matter who you are, you still have the same basic human right.

Speaker 4 the gnostics tried to make this into a one percent kind of deal the gnostics were like yeah well not everybody is safe i mean those who know they're gonna be safe but not everybody

Speaker 101 this is why we're supposed to treat everyone equally this is why we're supposed to treat people like our brothers and sisters because we literally are spiritual brothers and sisters of each other and if we can get to a point to where we can see the spiritual spark in every human being even when we meet them even when we don't like them

Speaker 132 even if even if they're trying to destroy us they are still

Speaker 41 that person they're still a human being my brother or sister this is why trials are supposed to be done justice is blind

Speaker 164 Because you're not supposed to look at the R or the D after their name.

Speaker 93 You're not supposed to look for the Trump or the Biden.

Speaker 98 You're supposed to look at the law and the claim of the breaking of the law and the facts, and that's it.

Speaker 187 With democracies, you get a mob

Speaker 82 and in the end, you always get the collective.

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Speaker 25 His son is very

Speaker 43 great baseball player.

Speaker 121 How old is he now?

Speaker 78 I think 13. 10, 12, 13.

Speaker 138 I think so.

Speaker 181 Time flies.

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Speaker 82 I have no idea.

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Speaker 128 That's great. Thank you.
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Speaker 54 Well, I've been trying to get into sports. You know what I mean?

Speaker 185 Oh, man. Yeah.
Yeah.

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Speaker 158 So

Speaker 29 I am still stunned by this audio from CNN where they are trying to convince the American people that by saying we're not a democracy, we're a republic, that is misinformation or malinformation

Speaker 146 brought up by the people who are all around Donald Trump.

Speaker 15 They're trying to convince their voters to make that argument.

Speaker 157 Nothing could be further from the truth.

Speaker 157 I got to tell you, for my whole life, I made fun of people with the pocket protector and the pocket constitution that said, We're actually a republic, not a democracy.

Speaker 131 We used to make fun of those people all the time, but it turns out they were right.

Speaker 4 They were right.

Speaker 54 It is a

Speaker 137 important distinction.

Speaker 147 Sure is.

Speaker 41 But we were apparently, Pat,

Speaker 166 founded, this according to that CNN expert, we were founded as a democracy.

Speaker 193 And people seem to remember that differently.

Speaker 55 Yeah, that's going to be a real surprise to the people who founded the country, people like Alexander Hamilton, who said real liberty is not found in extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments.

Speaker 55 If we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy or some other form of a dictatorship.

Speaker 194 Okay, hold hold on just a second.

Speaker 183 So that's why we do have a democracy apart at the very beginning, one man, one vote,

Speaker 164 but it was to moderate that so you couldn't swing and it would be the

Speaker 146 majority rules or minority rules.

Speaker 4 Right.

Speaker 50 You moderate that with representatives.

Speaker 59 Yeah. Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 55 There are aspects of democracy in our republic, but we're not.

Speaker 55 Thomas Jefferson said a democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where 51% of the people may take away the rights of the other 49.

Speaker 55 James Madison said, democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.

Speaker 163 Who said that?

Speaker 55 James Madison.

Speaker 5 Okay, well, he didn't know what we're talking about.

Speaker 58 He just wrote the Constitution.

Speaker 117 What does he know?

Speaker 92 Oh, my gosh, he doesn't know anything.

Speaker 55 All right. John Adams said democracy never lasts long.
It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself.

Speaker 55 There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

Speaker 55 And then from his son, John Quincy Adams, not exactly a founder, but around that time, the experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the the most unstable, fluctuating, and short-lived.

Speaker 193 So this is why they want you to go for a democracy.

Speaker 137 They will make this if

Speaker 39 they win the popular vote.

Speaker 76 It's why we have the electoral process.

Speaker 84 So

Speaker 16 there is a direct democracy, but we want to make sure that big states don't overwhelm the small states.

Speaker 133 So the majority doesn't rule against the minority and just have it.

Speaker 164 Look, if we had a direct democracy, we would all be either in prison or we would all be saying

Speaker 81 that, yes, that's a beautiful woman, that that's a beautiful woman.

Speaker 98 And I can't even tell you that it used to be a man because,

Speaker 166 you know, democracy rules and 51% have decided that that is criminal speech.

Speaker 87 And so we're going to all say that now.

Speaker 72 That's what a democracy.

Speaker 15 Let me ask you this, Democrats, do you want a direct democracy?

Speaker 122 That if

Speaker 122 Donald Trump could get everybody just to vote his way,

Speaker 160 that we could put all of you in prison?

Speaker 163 Because that's what a democracy does.

Speaker 119 It will round up its enemies.

Speaker 13 What's happening now with the people who are trying to have have a direct democracy?

Speaker 73 They are trying to force you to live their way.

Speaker 94 I don't need you to live my way.

Speaker 159 I don't care what you do in your personal life.

Speaker 15 Your personal life does matter to the Republic.

Speaker 157 But I'm not going to force you.

Speaker 22 I'm going to try to change your heart.

Speaker 42 I'm not going to do it through legislation.

Speaker 131 Because that doesn't work.

Speaker 110 For instance, we overturned Roe versus Wade.

Speaker 148 Well, what happened?

Speaker 98 Well, they just went to the abortion drug.

Speaker 15 And then the FDA changed its rules.

Speaker 7 Okay, that's a democracy inaction.

Speaker 150 It changed its rules because they wanted what they wanted.

Speaker 65 That's why they have such a problem with the

Speaker 165 state.

Speaker 100 states deciding for themselves.

Speaker 42 The Supreme Court found, rightly so, this is not a guaranteed right.

Speaker 179 You don't have, it's nowhere in the Constitution, no way to interpret that in the Constitution.

Speaker 104 So it's got to go back to the people in the states.

Speaker 73 That doesn't mean your state just comes out and says, yes, we're having abortions on demand all the way up until the third grade.

Speaker 4 No,

Speaker 175 it means you vote.

Speaker 15 You vote, and it's enacted in a republic for your state.

Speaker 122 This is so frustrating.

Speaker 180 Here's the rest of that clip. Listen to this.

Speaker 106 Is America a democracy?

Speaker 60 I don't, I think.

Speaker 106 Well, not a republic, but we're, yeah, we're a republic. What's the difference?

Speaker 60 I feel like democracy.

Speaker 106 It's government.

Speaker 195 Come on, stop.

Speaker 120 Stop.

Speaker 196 Stop, stop, stop.

Speaker 10 What's the the difference?

Speaker 128 We have a

Speaker 85 democratically elected Congress and president, one man, one vote.

Speaker 172 Then, because democracies have short lives and usually violent deaths,

Speaker 19 we have put a regulating body, a representative body.

Speaker 79 That's why we have the House of Representatives.

Speaker 123 They represent us.

Speaker 46 That's the republic part.

Speaker 141 So we have the best of both worlds.

Speaker 15 We don't just have people that are serving lifetime in Congress.

Speaker 34 In fact, the representatives, the direct representative is the closest to me and has to return, has to be voted on every two years.

Speaker 6 So our voice is heard.

Speaker 40 That's the democratic

Speaker 56 part of it.

Speaker 166 the democracy part of it.

Speaker 180 We hire the representatives.

Speaker 22 Then they take it because we can't vote on every single law.

Speaker 56 Period.

Speaker 88 Now, do we have a republic today?

Speaker 5 No, in writing we do.

Speaker 22 We have much more of a dictatorship

Speaker 12 than we even have, I think, of

Speaker 84 a democracy.

Speaker 24 This democracy push is pushing us into mob rule.

Speaker 192 That's bad.

Speaker 115 All right, go ahead, play some more.

Speaker 60 I don't see freedom in democracy. I see freedom

Speaker 197 in the republic.

Speaker 60 Honestly, the word democracy and the word republic have often been used interchangeably. There isn't a meaningful difference between them.

Speaker 195 So much

Speaker 106 of the warnings and criticism about Trump is that he is a threat to democracy, that he is anti-democratic.

Speaker 60 Absolutely. If they can convince people that we don't have a democracy, then it's okay that Trump is attacking democracy because it doesn't really matter.

Speaker 58 So why, like, why?

Speaker 198 That's a bad word.

Speaker 60 Because it's being used in a way to change the flavor of our country, which is a republic.

Speaker 60 These words were used in different ways in the 18th century, and they knew the founders didn't want direct democracy, by which they meant people gathering on the town square.

Speaker 60 They wanted representative democracy.

Speaker 126 Stop.

Speaker 55 She just describes a republic and is trying to call it a democracy.

Speaker 32 Right.

Speaker 46 They didn't want a direct democracy.

Speaker 84 Right.

Speaker 40 Exactly right.

Speaker 174 They wanted a representative republic with democratic earmarks.

Speaker 131 The important part of democracy, one man, one vote, to hire a representative to do the republic part.

Speaker 24 They're not interchangeable.

Speaker 139 They are competing systems that for the first time in the history of the world were put together.

Speaker 59 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 136 And I, you know, again, you know, I just did a podcast.

Speaker 117 It's, I think there's eight episodes of it.

Speaker 40 It comes out every week.

Speaker 145 This week was episode number two.

Speaker 21 It came out over the weekend.

Speaker 100 And it was, it's all about why do we listen to these experts?

Speaker 21 This is something that started in the progressive era.

Speaker 39 You get the experts to tell you, no,

Speaker 72 if you want a democracy and a republic, it requires you to be an expert on the basics of stuff.

Speaker 63 That's why we have a republic, because not everybody can be an expert on, you know, nuclear deals and,

Speaker 76 you know, all of the things that you have to be an expert on.

Speaker 191 That's why our representatives have a staff that do research.

Speaker 193 You don't have have a staff to do research.

Speaker 17 Okay?

Speaker 141 You hire me to do some research.

Speaker 105 You hire Ben Shapiro to do research.

Speaker 112 And then you're supposed to take those pieces from your council, if you will, and you listen to those and say, okay,

Speaker 15 I think I believe this one more than that one on this issue.

Speaker 25 I think they have better information.

Speaker 71 I'm going to now do my own homework and find out which one is right

Speaker 132 or which one is what reflects my viewpoint and why

Speaker 15 if we can't define the difference between a republic and a democracy we will lose because the experts come in

Speaker 38 these the first episode of the um of the podcast now it's called the beck story the first episode was how these experts came in at the very beginning because we were now men of science.

Speaker 130 We now had science on our side.

Speaker 36 And so the first thing they did was they measured how things were supposed to be made, how, you know, what the average person could do.

Speaker 94 But these experts were so flawed that they made all of these Industrial Revolution sort of

Speaker 65 regulations so the companies would say, you're not working hard enough.

Speaker 131 Well, it's impossible to do what the experts said we can do.

Speaker 21 And you see how rigged it was and the problems that that expert caused.

Speaker 156 The second episode is

Speaker 24 on eugenics and medicine and how the experts have taken us from heal, do no harm, to killers.

Speaker 100 We've got to stop listening to the experts.

Speaker 142 Start doing our own homework.

Speaker 179 Make it yours.

Speaker 15 prey on it make sure you haven't missed something

Speaker 50 and then teach it to others that's your job

Speaker 200 back in just a minute

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Speaker 75 Next, I'm going to introduce you to somebody who is taking a massive hit for the team.

Speaker 44 This is somebody who is a general and trauma surgeon in Greenville, Texas.

Speaker 99 He just finished his general surgery training at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

Speaker 15 And he is the guy that leaked information to Christopher Ruffo's story

Speaker 100 about how Texas Children's Hospital continued and expanded its pediatric sex change program behind closed doors, even though they announced that they had shut that completely down.

Speaker 83 So the Senate, because of this story, the Senate in Texas and the House passed legislation banning surgical and hormonal interventions on children.

Speaker 138 And then he gets a knock on the door.

Speaker 102 He gets a knock on his door.

Speaker 22 Two federal agents with HHS

Speaker 145 come and say, you're under federal investigation by the Department of Justice.

Speaker 21 He knew he was in real trouble because

Speaker 48 they didn't have anything what law was broken he's now been charged by the department of justice with four felonies

Speaker 13 they are sending a message and we have to send a message back uh we have dr.

Speaker 20 chaim on with us here in just a second he needs your support um you know otherwise we're we're never gonna get to the bottom of this and we're never gonna stop this

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Speaker 63 Let me ask you something.

Speaker 77 You send your kid to a children's hospital. Do you trust them?

Speaker 4 The answer would be, yeah, probably.

Speaker 5 I've send my kids to Texas Children's Hospital all the time.

Speaker 43 When they're really sick, they go to Texas Children's Hospital.

Speaker 75 And I've always trusted them.

Speaker 85 I think we get good care.

Speaker 22 And then something happened.

Speaker 62 The hospital came out and said, we are not doing these transgender surgeries.

Speaker 76 That's misinformation. We don't do it.

Speaker 23 Okay, all right.

Speaker 52 Well, it's Texas Children's Hospital.

Speaker 78 I trust them, right?

Speaker 62 Until a whistleblower came out and said, no, not only are they doing them, they've expanded it, but they're not telling you about it.

Speaker 78 Well, that turned out to be true.

Speaker 75 And the Texas Senate and House House passed legislation that forced them to stop. Okay, are they still doing it?

Speaker 4 I don't know.

Speaker 74 I don't know.

Speaker 140 But what happened to the whistleblower?

Speaker 85 Is this a good guy or a bad guy?

Speaker 63 Well, the federal government and the Department of Justice has now put four felonies behind the name of the whistleblower.

Speaker 126 and is taking him to court.

Speaker 77 And they have already spent everything they had to be able to fight this.

Speaker 26 They need your help.

Speaker 76 This is one of the clearest cut cases of weaponization of our federal government that I have seen yet. And we've seen a lot together.

Speaker 114 Dr.

Speaker 75 Ethan Heim joins us in 60 seconds.

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Speaker 76 The dollar basically just lost its role as the world's reserve currency.

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Speaker 51 There's another thing they said would never happen.

Speaker 166 We'll never lose our reserve world currency.

Speaker 141 That's crazy talk.

Speaker 121 That'll never happen.

Speaker 137 They'll never.

Speaker 30 Saudi Arabia is a good friend, and they'll never stop insisting that the world use the U.S.

Speaker 128 dollar for making it the petro dollar.

Speaker 118 Well, it just happened.

Speaker 169 It's only a matter of time before our dollar is worthless.

Speaker 13 And nobody in the press is talking about it. Isn't that interesting?

Speaker 162 All right, I want to introduce you to Dr.

Speaker 47 Ethan Heim.

Speaker 99 He is a surgeon, and he is the pediatric sex change whistleblower.

Speaker 203 He was the anonymous whistleblower in the study that, or the story that was released by Christopher Ruffo, good friend of the program and a good friend to the Republic.

Speaker 94 He exposed that Texas Children's Hospital continue and expanded its pediatric sex change program

Speaker 15 despite the fact that they had announced that that was all shut down in March 2022.

Speaker 166 Well, within 24 hours of the story's publication, the laws in Texas were changed.

Speaker 148 Now,

Speaker 138 just a couple of weeks later, there's a knock on Dr.

Speaker 10 Imes' door.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 116 it's people from HHS, agents from HHS.

Speaker 31 He said they were aggressive.

Speaker 182 We'll get the story from him.

Speaker 13 But they said he was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

Speaker 182 He was standing at the door.

Speaker 54 They just wanted to do a quick interview.

Speaker 13 It's my understanding.

Speaker 81 His wife said, no, no, wait, honey.

Speaker 13 Let's get an attorney.

Speaker 130 Now there are four felonies.

Speaker 15 He didn't break any laws.

Speaker 8 Let's go to Dr. Heim.

Speaker 47 Hello, Doctor.

Speaker 107 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. And, you know, it's a crazy day because in a few hours we'll be going to court for the first time.

Speaker 107 So if anyone wants to donate to our legal fund, they can go to giftsengo.com forward slash Texas underscore whistleblower. We need all the help we can get.

Speaker 107 We need to do something to protect these kids, protect whistleblowers.

Speaker 195 And thank you for that. So you have said

Speaker 195 a lot.

Speaker 11 You're welcome.

Speaker 11 And thank you for what you've done and your attitude.

Speaker 21 You have said, because you've already gone through all of your savings, all of your retirement funds,

Speaker 171 everything you've gone through to pay for the attorneys, and you really need help.

Speaker 13 And you said that you didn't want to come on because you don't want to sound like some grifter.

Speaker 181 You didn't want to sound like you were making money off of this or even being a victim because

Speaker 36 you said all of this has been worth it.

Speaker 107 Yeah. You know,

Speaker 107 it's one of those things where

Speaker 107 you never imagine something like this is going to happen to you, right? Because you see it in the news, especially over the past few years. You see it happening to other people.

Speaker 107 But then one day, you know, that knock comes to your door.

Speaker 107 And then after those agents left, right, after my wife, you know, she advised me not to speak with them without an attorney, you know, we had a decision to make, right?

Speaker 107 do we try to fight back or or do we submit to the ideology and try to make it all go away and we knew that we were going to have you know kids someday and you know

Speaker 107 what kind of world would we be delivering them into if there's not the men and women in this world who are willing to sacrifice in order to deliver them to a better future so yeah we made a lot of sacrifices we've sacrificed a lot i mean everything we have all of our money but the thing is what you gain back is something so much greater because you have the opportunity to fight back against people who are destroying this country.

Speaker 107 And there's going to be some day in the future where, you know, my daughter and my wife is pregnant. She's 23 weeks with her first child.

Speaker 107 And

Speaker 107 thank you. Thank you.
Yeah, it's my first Father's Day yesterday, but you know, it kind of became real because you think like, you know, you raise them because

Speaker 107 to have the virtues to live a good and fulfilling life.

Speaker 107 But what does that mean if the parents are not willing to sacrifice to make a world where those virtues are valuable?

Speaker 107 Because right now what's happening is this government is criminalizing those virtues. The justice system is protecting criminals, going after the innocent.

Speaker 107 The medical system is creating sickness and going after the healthy, right? The education system is producing,

Speaker 110 is miseducating people, right?

Speaker 107 It's like every institution is the opposite of what it's meant to do, and people like us have to do something about it, even if that means sacrificing.

Speaker 21 Okay, so no laws have been violated that your attorneys can find, right?

Speaker 51 No identifiable patient health information was disclosed, even though that's what the HHS or Department of Justice prosecutor said.

Speaker 21 They first said that, you know, right?

Speaker 120 Go ahead.

Speaker 107 We're not really sure, you know, because we'll find out later today because we have our first hearing. I mean, it's obvious.
You know, all the evidence has been online since May 16th, 2023.

Speaker 107 And we're not really sure what they've been alleging. I mean, you can, my attorneys had written a letter to Congress January 25th, 2024, outlining the misconduct coming from the prosecutor's office.

Speaker 107 And that letter makes clear, you know, she had not even reviewed the evidence before she sent agents to my home, right?

Speaker 107 And without even knowing the evidence, she had threatened my wife, right? Because my wife is an assistant U.S. attorney in the northern district of Texas with the Department of Justice.

Speaker 107 And she, even though she didn't look into the case, she did enough research to find out my wife was undergoing a background check and use that to say, well, Andrea is not going to have any problems unless she continues to become difficult.

Speaker 107 And what she was referring to was her advising me to,

Speaker 107 you know, my constitutional right to have an attorney present.

Speaker 156 Right. So this stems from

Speaker 92 these guys, and you say they were overly aggressive and, you know, armed up.

Speaker 183 What was the approach from the HHS

Speaker 145 deputies or whatever they've got?

Speaker 25 What was that like when you opened the door?

Speaker 187 How did you perceive this?

Speaker 107 Yeah, the aggression was a reflection of their timing because it was June 23rd, 2023. It was about a month and a week after the story came out.

Speaker 107 And it was one of the most important days of my life, right? The day I was graduating from surgical training. The ceremony was later that evening.

Speaker 107 And, you know, it's like you sacrificed so much during those previous years, right? 80, 90, 100 hours a week. You miss so many important life events.
And, you know, my family's in town.

Speaker 107 I'm ready to celebrate with all the people I've trained with.

Speaker 107 And a few hours before that, these armed HHS agents come to my home and inform me that I'm under, I'm a potential target of a criminal investigation.

Speaker 107 And it's no surprise that they chose that day to come because they wanted to use the nature of the accomplishment as the crux of the threat, right? Saying that you just graduated.

Speaker 107 You have your whole career ahead of you. You better fly.
We're going to take everything away from you.

Speaker 205 But

Speaker 4 they knocked on the door.

Speaker 59 Yeah.

Speaker 183 so they they said we could just we just want to talk to you and your wife said at the time uh that no no no

Speaker 30 get an attorney honey make sure you ask for your attorney to be present right

Speaker 4 and so you know

Speaker 107 you kind of you kind of freak out the moment when they show up to your door right it's like i didn't know what to do so i invited them in they want to do an interview they start setting up a tripod But then luckily my wife, she was getting ready at the time.

Speaker 107 She comes out and then she pulls me aside. We go to the bedroom, and then she says, ah, you know, we both agree that we should have an attorney present.

Speaker 107 And we go back out and tell them, you know, that, you know, it's just not a good idea. We won't speak with you.
And then they say, okay, and then they leave.

Speaker 107 But before they hand me a target letter informing me I'm a potential target of a criminal investigation.

Speaker 30 And they were telling you at the time, if you just cooperate, you could avoid the felony prosecution, correct?

Speaker 107 Yeah, that was outlined in the letter my attorneys had sent to Congress where it was the prosecutor

Speaker 107 who was saying that where, but, you know, it's for what, right? And it's no legal statute had been violated, right?

Speaker 107 It's the hospital had been lying to the public about what they were doing to these children. And

Speaker 107 it revealed a principle of medicine, right? It's like there's nothing you should be doing behind closed doors that you're unwilling to defend in public.

Speaker 107 And if they need to lie to people about it, then of course it's wrong.

Speaker 199 Something's wrong, yes.

Speaker 165 The prosecutor claimed that your wife had interfered with a criminal investigation because she said you should have your attorney present.

Speaker 138 How is that interference with a criminal, how is the constitutional right?

Speaker 13 an interference with a criminal investigation

Speaker 107 yeah I mean that's exactly correct because this is a constitutional right. And what we've been seeing over the past couple of years is the exact opposite.

Speaker 107 It's like the justice system has become weaponized against those who demonstrate the virtues that made this country great.

Speaker 107 And

Speaker 107 we've seen this with countless cases. And these are cases you've covered, right? And it's just, I'm just a regular guy.
You know, I live in a very small town. I work in an even smaller town.

Speaker 107 And if it's it's happening to me, it's going to happen to all, to, to, to everyone else at some point. You know, if they came for me, they're going to come for you.

Speaker 31 So they also said that you didn't have the right to blow a whistle because it's not, quote, your job to try to stop the pediatric program, that you should have put up a banner on the highway to express your opinion.

Speaker 107 You know, that's one of the things that really frustrated me the most.

Speaker 107 And, you know, Grant, we're hearing all of this. This is all happening while I'm anonymous because June 23rd, 2023 to January 24, January 2024, I'm still anonymous.

Speaker 107 Because we didn't want to blow up our whole lives, right? We just wanted to live a quiet life. That's why we moved to a small town and where I took the job that I did.

Speaker 107 because we just wanted to live a quiet life. But once we saw the depth of the corruption that was happening, we knew that we had no option.
Like, what could we do? They're going to destroy us.

Speaker 107 For her to say

Speaker 107 that I had no right to reveal that these children were being abused

Speaker 107 is so profoundly offensive. Because as a surgeon, as a doctor, I take an oath to do no harm.

Speaker 107 That not only extends to my patients, to the patients I operate on, to the people I see in clinic, but that extends to my profession.

Speaker 107 And for someone to say, I don't have a responsibility to maintain that oath in my profession is an abomination, right?

Speaker 107 And for someone who doesn't understand

Speaker 107 the boundaries of her profession, for her to be lecturing me on what I should be doing in my profession, is an offense of the highest order.

Speaker 107 And it was once I realized these things that I knew that I had no option, right? Once you tell tell this story, the corruption becomes self-evident and that the corruption only thrives in the shadows.

Speaker 111 So

Speaker 25 we're talking to Dr.

Speaker 47 Etham Heim.

Speaker 99 He is a surgeon.

Speaker 155 He was a whistleblower on the Texas children's medical hospital, children's hospital, and he's paying a great, great price for it.

Speaker 180 If you would like to help defray some of the costs, he's already gone through all of his savings, all of his retirement,

Speaker 13 you know, what they make together.

Speaker 183 They're paying all of it to the attorneys.

Speaker 203 None of this money goes to him or his wife. It goes directly to the attorneys.

Speaker 50 You can go to givesendgo.com slash Texas underscore whistleblower.

Speaker 166 Givesendgo.com slash Texas underscore whistleblower.

Speaker 37 Back with more with him in just a second. Stand by.

Speaker 36 Give me 60 seconds and we're back with the the doctor.

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Speaker 24 This is this is so disturbing.

Speaker 99 And one of the reasons is this reminds me,

Speaker 207 I'm a self-taught historian, and I'm doing a lot of research now on the medical,

Speaker 161 the progressive medical doctors at the turn of the century here, where it led to sterilization and everything else.

Speaker 150 And then how that moved the great

Speaker 20 medical science leaders in Germany.

Speaker 129 And one of the things they did was they started gassing old people and children, or started poisoning them, if there was no hope.

Speaker 14 And the German people found out about it and they were horrified.

Speaker 156 And so Hitler came out and said, this is not going to happen.

Speaker 146 You're right.

Speaker 121 We're banning this.

Speaker 184 But then he doubled down and said, hide it.

Speaker 139 And children, if there was any kind of deformity at all, anything that was wrong with a child, within the first two months, the doctors or the nurses that knew about it had to report it to the state.

Speaker 201 Then the state would take that child to a special hospital where they would all eventually die of, you know, the flu or whatever.

Speaker 112 At that time, you didn't speak out against it or they would come knocking at your door.

Speaker 98 Well, this is not the killing of children, but it is, in my opinion, and the state of Texas, mutilation of children.

Speaker 15 And so what did they do?

Speaker 36 They just hid it.

Speaker 163 This is so critical that we stand with Dr.

Speaker 92 Heim and any whistleblower on this stuff, because

Speaker 16 if you don't have whistleblowers and you have a DOJ that can threaten any whistleblower, You're toast.

Speaker 24 You're toast.

Speaker 82 And you don't want it in the medical community.

Speaker 103 um can we talk to you maybe tomorrow dr heim to find out what happened in yeah you know today's okay

Speaker 107 you know i if you mind if i'd say one more thing about that point that's that's it's so interesting about um

Speaker 107 but you know

Speaker 107 they were killing these kids back in the day right it's turned the 19th century and the 1930s but in in this way they're putting them on a path where these kids will kill themselves because they're going towards a horizon that they'll never reach, right?

Speaker 107 They're living so discordant with the reality of themselves. And

Speaker 107 people have to understand how horrifying this is and how we have to do something about it. And Mr.
Beck, thank you so much for having me on.

Speaker 47 Oh, please.

Speaker 199 And call me Glenn.

Speaker 86 Doctor, I appreciate it.

Speaker 93 If you want to help, givesendgo.com slash Texas underscore whistleblower.

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Speaker 44 I'm anxious to talk to him tomorrow, find out.

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Speaker 43 We have a lot to talk talk about. Pat, I'd actually like to continue our conversation here first that we were having off the air about the American

Speaker 35 eugenics program and how absolutely evil this was.

Speaker 11 And,

Speaker 155 you know, I don't know.

Speaker 14 You've been watching the

Speaker 55 Hitler and the Nazis documentary.

Speaker 47 Hitler Nazis. Yeah.

Speaker 24 I've only watched the first episode.

Speaker 52 I've been watching like 10 minutes of it at a time when I can.

Speaker 115 But it's a new series.

Speaker 137 And I noticed in

Speaker 98 one of the clips from the first episode that they mentioned Hitler was saying, you know, make Germany.

Speaker 110 Make Germany great again.

Speaker 80 Yeah. Yep.

Speaker 55 That's...

Speaker 55 That drives me out of my mind. They referenced that multiple times.

Speaker 153 Oh, geez.

Speaker 55 And it's just, I think it's a little subtle thing to tie Trump into Nazism.

Speaker 6 Subtle

Speaker 55 or not so subtle.

Speaker 85 Yeah. Of course it is.

Speaker 38 Of course it is.

Speaker 13 So, but do they get into the American eugenics that were they do.

Speaker 19 Yeah, they do.

Speaker 4 Okay.

Speaker 55 Episode three or four, they talk about how

Speaker 55 we didn't get these things from them. They got it from us.
That the Nazis were really big admirers of eugenics in America.

Speaker 55 Now, they don't tell you who the eugenicists in America were, the progressives, the Margaret Sangers of the world, the Planned Parenthood founder.

Speaker 54 and some of the most respected doctors at the time in America.

Speaker 55 Yeah, they don't mention that.

Speaker 19 Yeah, the

Speaker 48 Society for Human Betterment, I think it was called.

Speaker 105 That was at Stanford University.

Speaker 3 If you go to Stanford University, many of the buildings there at this university are all named after the eugenicists that inspired the Nazis.

Speaker 38 It's crazy.

Speaker 142 That is crazy. It is absolutely nuts.

Speaker 136 And,

Speaker 166 you know, the way they did it, the first Nuremberg laws for the Jews,

Speaker 102 that was based on some of our slavery laws. It was also based on American eugenicists.

Speaker 143 And, you know, I've been reading and

Speaker 154 I'm putting something together.

Speaker 180 I've had this idea for a long time.

Speaker 145 I've been putting it together because I'm starting to now collect as much of this information as I can

Speaker 24 to show this, but it was a vicious circle.

Speaker 75 And I've been reading Annie Jacobs, Jacob, Jacob

Speaker 188 Jacobson's book on Operation Paperclip, where we brought the Nazis back in.

Speaker 92 And when it comes to the doctors, we brought a lot of these doctors in that were doing horrifying things after World War II, right?

Speaker 56 Yes.

Speaker 134 And

Speaker 167 we just said, let's look the other way on their whole, you know, the way they were doing these experiments.

Speaker 15 And they brought them in.

Speaker 76 So the cycle starts with us, and then we teach it to Germany.

Speaker 36 Germany then takes it and makes it into a death camp and does all these things like they're doing right now

Speaker 17 with the story we just shared with you, where they shut the hospitals down on information.

Speaker 182 They fired all of the doctors and nurses that wouldn't go along.

Speaker 15 And they were killing people in their hospitals and doing all kinds of experiments on them without people's knowledge.

Speaker 54 Then, those doctors, the scarier people,

Speaker 13 they were not in the black boots and the black leather jackets.

Speaker 33 They wore the white coats.

Speaker 183 Those were the scariest of Nazi Germany.

Speaker 159 And then we took those scary guys and reintroduced them into our medical system after the war.

Speaker 162 I can't prove it, but

Speaker 82 I am on the journey to track it it from us inspiring Germany, what Germany did, then reintroducing those people here into what's happened since.

Speaker 166 I mean, a lot of the stuff the CIA was doing, all those experiments, a lot of that stuff inspired by the Germans and most likely inspired by the Operation Paperclip people that we brought in.

Speaker 55 Would it surprise anybody to know that? I mean, it makes sense.

Speaker 110 Doesn't it?

Speaker 55 All those experiments that should have never happened. And especially experimenting on people who didn't know you're experimenting on it.

Speaker 205 Correct.

Speaker 179 Well, that's what they're doing with the parents now.

Speaker 72 They're now saying to the kids, these are proven.

Speaker 130 They're experiments. They're experiments.

Speaker 146 Anyway,

Speaker 105 there is a couple of stories here that I'd like to share with you.

Speaker 155 One is, remember the video of Joe Biden, you know, kind of wandering off and Prime Minister Maloney going over and grabbing him and bringing him back in a very graceful way.

Speaker 36 Yep, the White House now has come out and said, This is disinformation, and there's stories everywhere about this.

Speaker 145 On how this is disinformation, he was looking at some of the other parachutists, and he just wanted to go over and salute them and congratulate them.

Speaker 169 Maybe it's true, maybe it's not true, but it certainly

Speaker 92 is true that he is not

Speaker 115 looking presidential.

Speaker 98 He is not paying attention.

Speaker 152 He is in his own little world.

Speaker 126 But they notice that they say this is disinformation.

Speaker 23 They say that to discredit anyone.

Speaker 154 Now, let me take it a step further.

Speaker 15 Over the weekend,

Speaker 15 there was a fundraiser in California, in Los Angeles.

Speaker 140 Huge.

Speaker 23 And yeah, huge.

Speaker 155 And I think $50 million, something like that.

Speaker 146 Jimmy Kimmel hosted it, and Barack Obama was there with Joe Biden.

Speaker 56 George Clinton. At the end.

Speaker 55 Julia Roberts, bunch of stars. Yeah.

Speaker 134 So at the end,

Speaker 13 Joe Biden is standing there with his hands kind of clenched. He waves a couple of times, but his hands were clenched, and he was in that, you know, frozen, solid sort of look.

Speaker 24 And when it comes time to leave the stage, Obama just reaches over and grabs him by the wrist and leads him off stage.

Speaker 151 And it looks horrible, absolutely horrible.

Speaker 167 But we can't show that video to you today because of something that all of us in the media, at least on our side, is going through now, and it's lawfare.

Speaker 99 We are being sued and everybody in our position being sued if we play any clip.

Speaker 182 And, you know, it's weird.

Speaker 83 We don't get in trouble for playing clips that, you know, are neutral or don't have anything to do with

Speaker 28 anything but, you know, Joe Biden and the left.

Speaker 94 We can't play them.

Speaker 50 And they're charging now, like that clip is $600

Speaker 146 per play.

Speaker 14 One play, one play.

Speaker 51 And I don't even know if that includes on the internet and replays and everything else.

Speaker 141 So they're making it impossible for us to show you clips of things that happened.

Speaker 142 That are all over the internet, by the way.

Speaker 110 They're all over, we just can't talk about them.

Speaker 19 We can't do it.

Speaker 55 I mean, we can talk about it, but we can't show it.

Speaker 128 And it makes it.

Speaker 196 I think it makes it worse, right?

Speaker 181 I think it does.

Speaker 23 I was just going to say that.

Speaker 13 I think it makes it much worse.

Speaker 129 Because if I describe to you Joe Biden on the stage and he's in that pose where he's just stiff and his hands are clenched and Obama grabs him by the arm, your imagination might make that worse than than it actually is.

Speaker 73 You might watch that and go, well, it's not that bad.

Speaker 94 But if we can't play it,

Speaker 116 you don't get to decide.

Speaker 102 And that's the point.

Speaker 118 You don't get to decide.

Speaker 55 But Obama definitely grabs him by the wrist and starts leading him out. And then he smoothly kind of makes it like, oh, this is my good buddy and puts his arm around him.

Speaker 55 And then he just pushes him off the stage.

Speaker 122 He just guides him the whole way

Speaker 195 and never

Speaker 55 removes his arm from Joe Biden's back.

Speaker 137 It's amazing to watch.

Speaker 55 And I don't know how they explain that away. I'm sure they'll say, oh, they're just very close.
And Barack wanted to

Speaker 83 Barack does not like Joe Biden.

Speaker 82 Not for a minute.

Speaker 154 There's

Speaker 154 something else.

Speaker 24 Is the debate on Thursday or Friday of this week?

Speaker 55 It's a week from Thursday.

Speaker 117 A week from Thursday.

Speaker 15 I'm reading so much that Donald Trump is just going to cream cream him and everything else.

Speaker 30 I would be very careful with your predictions on this.

Speaker 32 First of all,

Speaker 23 it will higher expectations.

Speaker 13 So everybody will expect him just to make a clean sweep.

Speaker 83 And if he doesn't, then it looks like a loss for Donald Trump.

Speaker 27 So be careful on the way you're being used

Speaker 31 to talk about this.

Speaker 137 And the other thing is, and we will find this out.

Speaker 103 Well, we won't, but our kids or grandkids will find out.

Speaker 23 I'm convinced that they juice him.

Speaker 205 Oh, big time, for sure.

Speaker 55 Just like they did for the State of the Union address.

Speaker 127 Well, we don't know that for sure, but we speculate.

Speaker 34 Yes.

Speaker 119 I mean, he comes out and he is a different man entirely.

Speaker 15 And, you know, they did this for JFK and everything else, and we didn't know about it for 20 years.

Speaker 43 But, you know, just like Elvis and everybody else, you got to perform.

Speaker 40 Let's get him to performance level.

Speaker 98 And they juice him up.

Speaker 36 And so he'll be clear. I think he'll actually do well.

Speaker 141 He'll be clear.

Speaker 169 Donald Trump could also look like a bully to this sweet little old man.

Speaker 149 I mean,

Speaker 202 honestly,

Speaker 131 you have no idea how this thing is going to play out.

Speaker 51 Yep.

Speaker 87 No idea.

Speaker 33 The question we should be asking is, why are they doing it before either of them are officially the candidate for their party?

Speaker 55 Is your thought on that so they can make a change if they, if they decide to?

Speaker 81 I have no thought on it.

Speaker 82 I have no thought on it other than we're not probably going to get a debate right before the election.

Speaker 91 Yeah.

Speaker 13 And, you know, there's a million ways you can go.

Speaker 103 They, you know, if he doesn't do well, they can change him.

Speaker 13 You know, if he gets worse in the next six months, they know what they're dealing with now.

Speaker 81 But what will he be like in November?

Speaker 45 Look how fast this guy is deteriorating.

Speaker 158 So maybe it's that.

Speaker 5 I don't know.

Speaker 12 But in my lifetime, Pat, I don't think I've ever seen a debate between the two candidates in a presidential debate before the two conventions.

Speaker 55 No, I don't think it's happened. I think this is the earliest ever.

Speaker 147 Right.

Speaker 140 So what's that all about?

Speaker 84 Why is that happening?

Speaker 55 It might be, yeah, I think like you said, it could be a number of things.

Speaker 55 But one of the the things that I think is pretty obvious is that if he performs badly, you got plenty of time to recover from that. You know, if this happens right before,

Speaker 55 right before the election and he performs terribly like we expect him to, or so many of us do, then that hurts him.

Speaker 152 But if it's six months before, you forget.

Speaker 36 Right. And if he does really, really well, like he did at the State of the Union.

Speaker 194 I mean, I thought it was a horrible speech, and I disagreed with almost everything he said.

Speaker 55 But performed better than I thought he would.

Speaker 4 Oh, yeah.

Speaker 27 He performed like he was there.

Speaker 15 Yeah.

Speaker 127 And if he performs like he's there, then they have that to go to all the time over and over again, no matter what he's like.

Speaker 192 You know, because you cannot have,

Speaker 67 you can't have the performance of the state of the union.

Speaker 21 and the performance in the rest of his life.

Speaker 92 You know, you just, it doesn't, they're juicing him with something.

Speaker 119 Something's happening to get him to that state.

Speaker 203 And so, and I think he'll be in that state, which everybody will say because they're expecting such a poor performance of him.

Speaker 100 Oh, look, he's not as bad as everybody says.

Speaker 56 Yep.

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Speaker 20 We're glad that you're here.

Speaker 70 Let me just play cut number one here: the media montage of how great Biden really is.

Speaker 55 Negative tech issues. Was that it? Was that how Grady is? Because I agree with that.
That's how Grady is.

Speaker 138 Oh, he is frozen in the control room.

Speaker 195 I'm sorry.

Speaker 118 We're having some tech issues, so we can't.

Speaker 137 Here it is. Here it is.

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Speaker 19 Oh, wow.

Speaker 210 And F you if you can't handle the truth.

Speaker 4 This

Speaker 210 version of Biden is the best Biden ever.

Speaker 210 In fact, I think he's better than he's ever been.

Speaker 109 President Biden has a photographic memory. His understanding and mastery of a complicated geopolitical situation is remarkable.

Speaker 210 He is sharp, intensely probing, and detail-oriented and focused.

Speaker 58 Jackie, are you here?

Speaker 106 Where's Jackie? I didn't think she was.

Speaker 58 She's going to be here.

Speaker 19 I was sitting, you know,

Speaker 109 two feet from him across the table, and he was, you know, intense.

Speaker 210 He's had trouble walking sometimes. Yeah, so did FDR.
He wanted GD war.

Speaker 4 But he's a very good job. Oh, my god

Speaker 197 he's very sharp they say he's sharp in meetings and so on very loose and well very well informed biden is stately he comes with gravitas there hasn't been as far as i know a single claim that biden unreal made a mistake ageism is an issue americans have a rich history of holding people's physical characteristics against them okay you can ask african americans he's older that doesn't mean that he is unfit and there's a lot of ageism there yeah this age attack this obsession by the right, I can't take it anymore.

Speaker 80 I know I can't get past.

Speaker 110 Oh my gosh. I can't get past this is, you know, he said he has trouble walking.

Speaker 16 Well, so did FDR.

Speaker 141 FDR was in a wheelchair.

Speaker 159 But here's the thing.

Speaker 53 Nothing has changed.

Speaker 129 The press protected him, never showed him in a wheelchair,

Speaker 75 never said anything about that, which I think is criminal because it showed his determination in what a man in his situation could do.

Speaker 61 But they're doing the same thing.

Speaker 66 They're covering for the president.

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Speaker 77 I want want to have a really difficult conversation.

Speaker 62 One that you're immediately going to feel one way and then you'll hear some details and then that might make it worse or some other details might make it better

Speaker 62 and you don't.

Speaker 119 This is one of those things.

Speaker 27 I don't know how I should feel.

Speaker 63 But we should talk about it because I think it goes down to our fundamental belief

Speaker 82 in redemption.

Speaker 80 Do we believe that a man can change

Speaker 136 or are they forever marked by their past mistakes?

Speaker 129 And they can be massive mistakes.

Speaker 68 Do we believe in redemption or not?

Speaker 15 And this one involves a church.

Speaker 75 So we go there in 60 seconds.

Speaker 93 First, next time you're standing just somewhere in your home, I want you to look around and go, what would it take to sell this house?

Speaker 82 If I wanted to put it online, what would I have to take?

Speaker 75 And then you're quickly just dismissed that real quick because you don't want to imagine all the things that you have to do because it's an awful lot of stuff, I'm sure.

Speaker 66 It's time to realize a simple fact.

Speaker 75 What you need is an expert to tell you all the things that you have to do and the things that will bring buyers in to look at your house and that they can overlook

Speaker 78 and and the things that you just have to do because people can't overlook that purple paint in the bedroom or whatever it is

Speaker 79 there is a a real expert that you need when it comes to certain things like buying a home you're not an expert in that field so you should talk to somebody that you can trust that you believe knows what they're doing has the track record knows best business practices that can advise you on you should do this and this and this and then you decide

Speaker 46 what to do.

Speaker 65 You can get that expert at realestate agents I trust.com.

Speaker 63 The name says it all, realestate agents I trust.com.

Speaker 20 Tell us where you're selling, where you're buying, and we'll find the right real estate agent for you.

Speaker 70 Realestateagents I trust.com.

Speaker 208 Okay,

Speaker 21 I read a story this weekend

Speaker 44 that, full disclosure, involves a good friend of mine, a dear friend of mine,

Speaker 203 a friend of mine who I have an awful lot of respect for because I believe he truly changed a community for the good in a way that

Speaker 133 I've rarely seen

Speaker 11 anyone do.

Speaker 75 A guy who has been very frank with me, not necessarily on the details, but has said to me when we were kind of having a, you know,

Speaker 171 I'm worse than you are kind of debate at one point.

Speaker 184 We were just talking about sin and, you know, and I said I was just a monster, blah, blah, blah. And he just looked at me in the eye and said, you have no idea.

Speaker 37 You're a rookie compared to the sins that I have done.

Speaker 145 He said, when I was younger, he said I was despicable.

Speaker 82 And he said, but, you know, redemption is real, blah, blah, blah.

Speaker 92 I really love this guy.

Speaker 166 And I read a story today or over the weekend weekend that my friend Robert Morris, the founder and pastor of Gateway Church, is being accused of sexually assaulting a child in the 1980s.

Speaker 158 Now I read this and I thought, whoa,

Speaker 56 whoa, what?

Speaker 112 Well, he's not being accused now.

Speaker 140 Okay.

Speaker 55 This is a reporter that

Speaker 6 knew the story or found the story and

Speaker 191 went to the victim, who is a victim

Speaker 66 and had her retell the story.

Speaker 94 But this has all been dealt with in the 1980s.

Speaker 170 The woman claims, no, she doesn't claim it's true.

Speaker 15 She claims Morris sexually assaulted her starting in 1982, and here's where it gets bad.

Speaker 126 He was in his 20s and she was 12.

Speaker 15 He had become close to their family.

Speaker 145 He was a traveling evangelist.

Speaker 19 They were first published, these accusations by the Warbug Watch, a North Carolina-based church watchdog blog.

Speaker 13 The Christian Post picked up the story on Saturday.

Speaker 112 The alleged abuse, it's not alleged.

Speaker 32 It's true.

Speaker 13 The alleged abuse continued until 1987.

Speaker 203 Now, this is the first thing, because when I found out about this, I immediately called some friends and I said, what is the story on this?

Speaker 30 And the way they have approached this story of she claims and it's alleged leads you to believe that it had never been dealt with and it has been dealt with.

Speaker 135 He has said now not publicly to his current congregation, but he has said, when I was young, I had very inappropriate sexual behavior.

Speaker 15 When I was in my early 20s, I was involved in an inappropriate sexual behavior with a young lady in a home where I was staying.

Speaker 44 It was kissing and petting, and not intercourse, but what happened was wrong.

Speaker 21 He said the behavior happened on several occasions over a few years.

Speaker 110 All that's true.

Speaker 13 The only thing that's missing from that was that she was 12.

Speaker 94 That's kind of a big deal.

Speaker 121 However,

Speaker 36 it was dealt with in 1987

Speaker 112 and dealt with with him and the family.

Speaker 130 In fact,

Speaker 49 in 1989,

Speaker 35 he, the girl, the father,

Speaker 33 and Robert's new wife met together.

Speaker 43 and talked about it and dealt with things.

Speaker 183 It was dealt through with his church at the time.

Speaker 184 They stopped him from being an evangelist and he couldn't go on the road anymore.

Speaker 13 That I think lasted for two or three years.

Speaker 18 I know that he had been under, you know, he's been very clear with his church, all the leaders. They have been very clear that we're putting in some things to watch you to make sure.

Speaker 44 But he's never had a problem since.

Speaker 84 He recognized how wrong.

Speaker 82 And I know without him telling me what it was,

Speaker 18 I knew that there was something very deep and dark in his past.

Speaker 154 Because when we were talking about our pasts, he would cry sometimes about, you don't understand how, what the Lord will forgive.

Speaker 149 And

Speaker 36 he has,

Speaker 76 as far as I know, changed.

Speaker 9 There's been nothing since 1987.

Speaker 156 Nothing.

Speaker 119 Now, this is one of the worst things that could, a human being can do, right?

Speaker 6 We all feel like, you know, you're doing something with a 12-year-old and you're in your 20s.

Speaker 152 That's horrible.

Speaker 133 Horrible.

Speaker 13 So what do we do with this information?

Speaker 9 Because it's not new information.

Speaker 56 It's just new to us.

Speaker 201 But not new to, not new to the church, not new to the church elders.

Speaker 155 You know, he went when he started Gateway.

Speaker 145 He was very clear with them.

Speaker 86 Years later, he was very clear.

Speaker 37 This was in my past.

Speaker 26 You know, yada, yada.

Speaker 181 The question is that I have,

Speaker 108 because I don't know how to,

Speaker 108 I don't know how to,

Speaker 186 if I were a church member,

Speaker 165 I would say,

Speaker 155 well, I don't want him with a pastor, but he's not a youth pastor.

Speaker 20 But I also think as long as the church and everybody knew about it and had dealt with it, it's not like, hey, we've got a pedophilia problem with our priests.

Speaker 18 And so we fired one of them and the rest of them we've transferred to another place.

Speaker 155 Okay, that didn't happen.

Speaker 208 That didn't happen.

Speaker 21 He went through deep therapy and everything else.

Speaker 190 And there has been no indication ever since.

Speaker 15 And everybody knew about it.

Speaker 184 My question is:

Speaker 15 how much do we believe in the atonement?

Speaker 94 How much do we believe a man can change?

Speaker 36 How deep does the atonement go?

Speaker 154 Does it cover everything

Speaker 170 or just some things?

Speaker 125 Does it cover our sins, but not their sins?

Speaker 31 Does it cover, well, my alcoholism and, you know, me, whatever?

Speaker 183 It covers that, but it stops here.

Speaker 209 And if if it does stop, where does it stop?

Speaker 154 I give people too much of the benefit of the doubt because I've been given, and some would say this is a curse, because I will misjudge people sometimes, because

Speaker 24 I can see people for who

Speaker 203 they really are.

Speaker 155 not necessarily the person that they have become, but for the person that they really are.

Speaker 138 And sometimes, you know, after I get to know them, I become very, very sad because

Speaker 138 they know who they've allowed themselves to become and they no longer think there's a path back to the person they really are.

Speaker 181 Does that make sense?

Speaker 207 And

Speaker 48 I forgive because I've been there.

Speaker 13 I mean, Pat, you and I just had this conversation a few weeks ago.

Speaker 171 about how, you know, anybody can do anything to me in the past.

Speaker 31 And I'll just be like, that's okay.

Speaker 59 That's all right.

Speaker 140 It's okay.

Speaker 76 And Stu hates that.

Speaker 189 He thinks that's one of my worst traits.

Speaker 25 I think it's one of my better traits.

Speaker 82 But I don't know.

Speaker 82 And I think that comes from me knowing

Speaker 98 the worst of me

Speaker 154 and knowing that

Speaker 95 change is real.

Speaker 24 If you truly put your faith in God

Speaker 50 and you truly want to change

Speaker 160 and you're truly repentant

Speaker 105 and you do all of the hardest things, I mean, going through a repentance process, going through even like the 12 steps, when you dig in and you force yourself to look at the worst things about you, admit, try to make amends, do what he did, meet with the family, meet with, can you imagine sitting in front of her dad?

Speaker 67 Oh. And what those conversations were like?

Speaker 55 And again, he did do that.

Speaker 87 He did. He did do that.

Speaker 55 And he said, I asked their forgiveness and they graciously forgave me.

Speaker 136 Now, I'm sure that didn't happen immediately.

Speaker 110 Probably not.

Speaker 166 You have to take steps.

Speaker 91 And it doesn't mean when you forgive somebody, you trust them immediately.

Speaker 119 But this is 1987.

Speaker 137 And the man has nothing

Speaker 119 since then.

Speaker 82 Just because I was out of control and, you know, would drink and once in a while, you know,

Speaker 82 I would be doing business hammered out of my mind and nobody knew, doesn't mean you can't trust me now with business.

Speaker 119 I haven't done that since the 1990s, mid-1990s.

Speaker 165 How long do I have to pay that price before

Speaker 108 I'm trustworthy?

Speaker 74 Well, I don't know.

Speaker 30 I think I'm trustworthy. I think anybody in my life knows that I'm trustworthy.

Speaker 178 But there might be somebody that's like, I don't know, once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.

Speaker 79 You know, once a guy who kisses a 12-year-old is always a guy who wants to kiss 12-year-olds.

Speaker 82 Maybe, maybe not.

Speaker 127 But

Speaker 126 this case, with the amount of time that has gone by,

Speaker 113 I'm interested to see on what his church does to him.

Speaker 7 Yeah.

Speaker 55 So far, he's still the pastor at Gateway, right?

Speaker 181 Yes, yes.

Speaker 138 But he's going to get all kinds of heat.

Speaker 184 Oh, man. He's going to get all kinds of heat.

Speaker 37 And, you know, another lesson to learn from this is

Speaker 194 you just have to come clean on everything.

Speaker 9 You just have to say it because then you're on record saying it.

Speaker 92 You know, he had to have, you know,

Speaker 181 I guess some fear that,

Speaker 181 you know, somebody's going to say something about this to his congregation.

Speaker 155 I don't know.

Speaker 117 I never talked to him about this, obviously.

Speaker 143 But, you know, there would be fear with me if I had some hidden part of my life that I had dealt with and everybody had dealt with.

Speaker 82 But I don't want everybody to know about it.

Speaker 130 It's bad.

Speaker 98 It's not good.

Speaker 105 And it causes you fear.

Speaker 189 And fear doesn't come from God.

Speaker 154 And that's why I've said to you, if you have something in your life,

Speaker 49 deal with it, clean it up, declare it.

Speaker 4 You know what?

Speaker 181 I did this.

Speaker 184 I did this.

Speaker 183 But I fixed it.

Speaker 164 Take the heat then

Speaker 181 because otherwise that will be in, that will be used against you.

Speaker 91 And look,

Speaker 114 he did everything right and

Speaker 138 and you know, everybody knew who gave him opportunities afterwards, and they

Speaker 130 forced him to do the right things.

Speaker 21 I'm sure he wanted to, but you know, they made sure he did the right things, and they monitored him to make sure there was no other possibility of this happening again under their watch.

Speaker 154 Um, and he passed with flying colors.

Speaker 118 Now, the question is:

Speaker 9 do we actually believe that Christ can redeem you and that you can change

Speaker 89 or not

Speaker 154 this is one of the worst sins you can imagine but in the day

Speaker 42 Paul was Saul and he killed Christians he led the mobs to kill Christians

Speaker 139 Imagine being an apostle and Paul is now preaching the gospel of Christ because he was converted.

Speaker 82 I don't know if I want to bring him into our crowd right now.

Speaker 154 He was responsible for all of the worst beatings, stonings, killings of Christians.

Speaker 44 How long do we have to watch Paul?

Speaker 78 Well, they did for a while.

Speaker 190 And he had truly changed his ways.

Speaker 84 If that's not the reason Christ came, I don't know what is.

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Speaker 180 I have to tell you, I hope we can have these conversations as adults because, you know, I was doing the commercial there.

Speaker 51 I thought to myself, you know, how many people that are kids that went through this with somebody

Speaker 94 would

Speaker 145 vehemently disagree with what I just said.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 102 I can understand that. And I can understand, I mean,

Speaker 37 I'm glad I'm a distant viewer on this.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 94 I don't think it has tainted my vision because I know him

Speaker 47 because we're friends or anything like that.

Speaker 15 I know him and respect him

Speaker 129 because of what he's done.

Speaker 116 today.

Speaker 97 This is a new revelation that you find out that happened 35 years ago and you're like, whoa,

Speaker 146 wow, I didn't know that.

Speaker 113 He really was bad.

Speaker 13 You know, like he told me he was bad.

Speaker 113 He really, really was bad.

Speaker 212 And I don't think there's a win on talking about this.

Speaker 116 I just think that we have to decide, each of us,

Speaker 18 what our Christian faith teaches us.

Speaker 37 And are there lines?

Speaker 6 How do you feel about this, Pat?

Speaker 55 Well, I mean, we both know, you know him a lot better than I do, but I know him as well.

Speaker 110 And he was a next-door neighbor.

Speaker 47 I swore to him. Yeah.

Speaker 55 He was two houses down from me, and he was a great guy. And

Speaker 55 so it's hard. And I don't know if that taints us and our judgment on this, but

Speaker 55 something that happened

Speaker 55 over 40 years ago now. And then it was dealt with 35 years ago.

Speaker 55 It's hard to imagine that this would cost him his position now at Gateway. It's hard to imagine.

Speaker 146 Especially when he dealt with it with her, you know, the victim, and the victim's.

Speaker 128 And his family.

Speaker 55 And that was taken care of a long time ago.

Speaker 55 You know, it's part of atonement, right?

Speaker 55 That's the process. You go and you ask forgiveness from the people that you've wronged.

Speaker 55 And then you move on with your life from there. And you're supposed to be, you know, if we are, if we believe in our Christian values, that's the way it's supposed to work.

Speaker 55 Now, you don't necessarily have to put them right back in the position they were in, which they didn't, which they didn't for two years.

Speaker 70 So, right.

Speaker 13 And it's a different church, it's not Gateway.

Speaker 86 And then he founded Gateway years later.

Speaker 85 But I mean, even if you don't have a big redemption redemption process, are you the same person you were 40 years ago?

Speaker 82 I know I'm not.

Speaker 62 No, I'm not even anywhere close to it.

Speaker 62 Glenn Beck.

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Speaker 76 And it is so hard to go to sleep.

Speaker 143 And so I, like last night, I knew I was just not going to get to sleep.

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Speaker 82 Hello and welcome to the program.

Speaker 44 We're glad you're here.

Speaker 208 I'm sure this is going to cost a lot

Speaker 152 for

Speaker 30 my reputation with people who don't listen to me at all because the media is going to make it look like I'm standing up for people who, you know, molest children, and I'm certainly not.

Speaker 102 I am standing up for redemption after 40 years.

Speaker 101 And things, you know, we all make horrible mistakes, and that's one of the worst ones you can make.

Speaker 98 That murder,

Speaker 13 some of the worst mistakes that you can ever make.

Speaker 18 Are you ever forgiven?

Speaker 21 And can you ever be reintroduced into polite society?

Speaker 119 Yeah, I think you can.

Speaker 173 I just got a letter from somebody who is a dear, dear friend of mine, known them forever, had

Speaker 169 zero idea that they were horribly abused as a

Speaker 165 child, sexually abused,

Speaker 165 because, well,

Speaker 31 you know, it was in the family and it was also, you know, anybody who had a shot because they grew up in a, you know, not a wealthy family and had to go spend the afternoons at the Y

Speaker 207 and

Speaker 19 horribly abused.

Speaker 26 And

Speaker 184 she wrote to me and said, you know, I

Speaker 64 agree with you, but when it comes to my abusers,

Speaker 82 I wouldn't mind.

Speaker 15 I've forgiven them, but I wouldn't mind something bad happening to them.

Speaker 118 And I understand that.

Speaker 51 I understand that.

Speaker 94 But, you know, it is the forgiveness that we give to people that is the only way we get over.

Speaker 130 things.

Speaker 181 If we can't forgive the people who have done things to us, we just rot on the inside.

Speaker 176 And

Speaker 143 you've got to let it go.

Speaker 162 And that's really super hard.

Speaker 9 But the same thing is true with the other side.

Speaker 102 If the other side really is serious and repents and tries to make amends and everything else

Speaker 13 and changes their life,

Speaker 82 if they dwell on it, this is why I think the, you know, in the armor of God,

Speaker 206 where it

Speaker 28 calls the

Speaker 52 helmet the helmet of salvation,

Speaker 88 I don't, and I probably, you know, scholars will tell you, Glenn Beck doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

Speaker 69 And that's true.

Speaker 39 But I've always interpreted that as

Speaker 84 reflect or deflecting all of the tricks of the mind or of Satan where they're saying, yeah, but you did this.

Speaker 183 Yeah, but you did this. Who are you to say that?

Speaker 203 Because you're like this.

Speaker 3 You have to have a helmet.

Speaker 163 And that helmet is salvation.

Speaker 170 It is, I have been forgiven forgiven of my sins.

Speaker 52 And you got to stop thinking about those things or it will destroy you.

Speaker 38 And that is the key to the wiles of the evil

Speaker 52 that we live around, making you feel guilty about everything.

Speaker 138 I mean, we live in such an evil society now on so many different fronts, but

Speaker 15 when your leaders are saying that you can't be forgiven for something that you didn't even do,

Speaker 165 you need the helmet of salvation because that's just an absolute lie.

Speaker 145 And I know it's hard to

Speaker 145 get over.

Speaker 97 I mean, just talking now about the other side on victims.

Speaker 6 My father,

Speaker 37 he was horribly abused, and I've talked about this by his father, and his mother was abused by his father.

Speaker 13 He was violent and he was also sexual.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 95 my father hated his father.

Speaker 44 And his father, I only really remember flashes of him before he had strokes.

Speaker 11 And my uncle, the same.

Speaker 118 He was exactly the same.

Speaker 207 And

Speaker 52 the flashes, they both had strokes, thank God, kind of took them out of practice.

Speaker 118 I only have flashes of memories of them being fully there.

Speaker 18 And the flashes of my memory was one of them was with my grandfather and he was coming down the hall.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 169 the only thing I remember is seeing his face and going, get out of here, get out of here, get out of here, just being terrified of him.

Speaker 25 My father ran away from home when he was young and he went to the YMCA.

Speaker 99 He was probably, I don't know, 14, 15, somewhere in that area.

Speaker 181 And he ran away to Los Angeles and he was staying at the YMCA.

Speaker 115 And my father was the most open-minded man on any and everything.

Speaker 3 He never,

Speaker 105 he was like, look, everybody expresses themselves differently.

Speaker 38 Don't judge people, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 62 But if

Speaker 169 somehow or another, occasionally something about homosexuality would come up and he would just rail on that and just was just like.

Speaker 139 a different person.

Speaker 145 And even us kids, we said, you know, younger, you know, when we were in our 20s and 30s and we were talking about our dad trying to figure him out,

Speaker 85 we were like, what is the deal with this?

Speaker 100 How is that?

Speaker 38 I mean, it doesn't fit.

Speaker 179 He's so tolerant on everything except for that lifestyle.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 88 I found out, my dad finally told me before he died that he had been sexually abused by several men at the YMCA.

Speaker 150 And that just changed him.

Speaker 11 And

Speaker 119 my dad just became focused on not becoming his father or his brother

Speaker 184 and

Speaker 212 just didn't want to become that.

Speaker 179 But you can't do that.

Speaker 212 You have to find out what you do want to become.

Speaker 134 Because

Speaker 5 in his effort not to become his father or grandfather, he became my grandmother, the abused.

Speaker 48 And he never saw it.

Speaker 193 He never saw it.

Speaker 92 And it just makes me sad.

Speaker 21 But anyway, so I understand all of these things.

Speaker 118 By the way, can I change the subject?

Speaker 75 I saw something that I just don't understand, and that is that the U-turn sign now that you see

Speaker 7 on streets, that you even bring it up.

Speaker 97 That's bigoted.

Speaker 55 Yeah, just absolutely. That's bigoted.
Yeah.

Speaker 148 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 31 How exactly is it bigoted?

Speaker 55 Well, they're trying to make this into

Speaker 55 a sign thing because there were a couple of signs in this area in Los Angeles when apparently a lot of homosexuals moved into the area. And so

Speaker 55 apparently it was also used as a place to pick up a date in that area. So they'd have no

Speaker 55 cruising. Yeah.
I mean,

Speaker 110 a get-together of some sort.

Speaker 59 Yeah. I don't think they're going to the movie.

Speaker 195 movie together.

Speaker 128 Yeah, okay. A booty call.

Speaker 55 So they had a couple of signs up. The first sign was taken down a long time ago, and it said no cruising in this area, something to that effect.

Speaker 56 Okay.

Speaker 55 Okay. So they took that down.
And then you couldn't make U-turns because once you spotted the person that you wanted to get together with, they would make a U-turn and go back and see them.

Speaker 55 And so that's why, supposedly, I guess the U-turn sign was bigoted because it was directed against homosexuals going back and picking up their

Speaker 136 in this one neighborhood in Los Angeles.

Speaker 56 Yes.

Speaker 133 Okay.

Speaker 76 Well, that might be very specific to that one neighborhood.

Speaker 50 I saw this and I'm like,

Speaker 165 what does that, how is that possibly even bigoted now?

Speaker 126 I mean, you want to talk about something that is so small in one individual's life.

Speaker 20 It might be real, but, you know, you got to get over it.

Speaker 55 It's like, you know,

Speaker 49 if, you know, if I, if I see, you know, a yield sign and I'm, well, I was taught that that was yield to Satan and I think it's an evil, evil sign.

Speaker 159 Well, that's not what it means, dude. It's not.

Speaker 141 It was just you.

Speaker 55 I'm going to ignore that stop sign because what am I, what are you telling me to stop?

Speaker 73 You can't, you can't stop love.

Speaker 131 Love never stops. No.
Love never, should never be told to stop.

Speaker 46 Don't ever tell me to stop loving.

Speaker 74 I won't do it.

Speaker 4 I'm driving right through this thing

Speaker 110 right now.

Speaker 4 It holds nothing.

Speaker 29 I see nothing there except your hatred.

Speaker 6 And a semi-truck that's about to plow into my passenger side.

Speaker 110 There's that.

Speaker 10 All right.

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Speaker 105 So, you know, while we're talking about abuse and stuff, there's a story that I read this weekend.

Speaker 24 A former FBI agent was convicted on Friday of sexually assaulting an 11-year-old girl while serving as an Alabama state trooper,

Speaker 163 a law enforcement job he landed after he was kicked out of the FBI

Speaker 50 amid claims that he raped a coworker at knife point.

Speaker 4 Now, wow,

Speaker 15 call me old-fashioned,

Speaker 80 but

Speaker 4 if you've raped a coworker, knife point or not,

Speaker 6 I don't think you should go into law enforcement after that.

Speaker 192 Wow, you're old-fashioned.

Speaker 55 I don't think you should be afraid of 1943.

Speaker 82 Yeah, I know, I know, I know, I know.

Speaker 190 Apparently, according to this Associated Press investigation, he was able to hide his, quote, checkered past.

Speaker 160 I don't know.

Speaker 80 I think holding

Speaker 81 a colleague by knife point and raping them might be more than checkered.

Speaker 41 And moved from one law enforcement job with the help of an allegedly forged letter making it appear that he was eligible for rehire.

Speaker 32 Wow.

Speaker 28 Found guilty of first-degree sodomy and sexual abuse of a child under 12 following a week-long trial during which the attorneys claimed the girl had made up the allegations.

Speaker 155 Yeah, that's probably not a good defense.

Speaker 145 He has been jailed since his 2021 arrest, faces similar child abuse charges outside of New Orleans.

Speaker 13 Louisiana state police say they intend to extradite him following the Alabama proceedings.

Speaker 158 So

Speaker 55 how do you rape a co-worker in the FBI and then continue to just wander around the country free?

Speaker 4 How did that happen?

Speaker 82 I don't know.

Speaker 181 That's amazing.

Speaker 138 I don't know.

Speaker 55 Was it because the FBI was too busy trying to find stuff on Donald Trump? Is that what happened?

Speaker 4 They're out there.

Speaker 80 Well, that ended.

Speaker 21 I think they might have been helping O.J.

Speaker 47 find the real killer as well.

Speaker 96 Okay.

Speaker 55 Yeah, that takes up a lot of time.

Speaker 143 A lot, a lot of time.

Speaker 7 This is really

Speaker 88 disturbing.

Speaker 203 You know, they said that he had a letter of discharge from the FBI.

Speaker 36 You know, we have this thing, or at least we used to, when I was young, called a telephone.

Speaker 82 And you would call for a reference, you know?

Speaker 4 Well, then

Speaker 55 where did you take your pictures? If your telephone was for calling people, what did you do about photos?

Speaker 64 We used a camera,

Speaker 9 which is also in your phone now. But

Speaker 119 you should think about using that phone and saying, hey, you guys,

Speaker 50 what was he like?

Speaker 4 Did he ever hold a coworker

Speaker 89 at knife point to rape them?

Speaker 84 And they could have said that's oddly specific, but yes.

Speaker 128 But yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 But yeah, he did.

Speaker 85 It was weird.

Speaker 203 It was weird like that.

Speaker 96 Oh,

Speaker 96 my God. Well, it's the FBI.

Speaker 55 I mean, do you expect them to actually do law enforcement work?

Speaker 61 Come on. Well, no, I used to.

Speaker 125 Yeah.

Speaker 79 I used to. But not now.

Speaker 82 No, not

Speaker 97 anymore.

Speaker 83 By the way,

Speaker 15 MS-13 members and Russian gang members

Speaker 46 and a, quote, cadre of corrupt surgeons and lawyers have put together this

Speaker 189 little thing where they

Speaker 23 find an illegal alien who's poor and destitute, and they say, go walk by this construction site and then fall.

Speaker 142 And then we're going to sue them because

Speaker 81 you did bit damage to your back.

Speaker 181 And they'll say, I don't speak English.

Speaker 8 And they'll say, that doesn't matter.

Speaker 31 Just go with us.

Speaker 19 And

Speaker 38 we will then have this surgeon fuse your back together and testify how bad this was.

Speaker 55 Even though it doesn't need to be done.

Speaker 13 Yeah, no, you just fell. It's no big deal.

Speaker 18 And we'll sue them for like a million, million and a half.

Speaker 193 And you'll get up to $1,000 for it.

Speaker 55 Woo-hoo.

Speaker 195 Yeah.

Speaker 55 That's irresistible right there.

Speaker 131 It really says no to that.

Speaker 72 I could get my back fused for life

Speaker 76 and I get $1,000.

Speaker 58 Wow.

Speaker 59 Wow.

Speaker 55 That's a deal.

Speaker 59 Yeah. That's a deal.

Speaker 182 Here's another one, speaking of illegals.

Speaker 82 Venezuelan migrants, for the second time now, have carjacked an NYPD officer.

Speaker 13 And the Venezuelan was armed with a fully automatic pistol,

Speaker 28 which, of course, we all get those, right? Oh, sure.

Speaker 203 You can get those at you can go get those at the Ace hardware store.

Speaker 4 Yeah.

Speaker 55 They're more prevalent than books for high school students.

Speaker 165 So, can I ask you,

Speaker 141 how brazen do you have to be

Speaker 77 to kidnap or carjack an NYPD officer?

Speaker 56 I mean, fairly, fairly brazen.

Speaker 93 Kind of shows that you're like, meh, doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 20 You're not going to do anything about it.

Speaker 19 So why not?

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