Best of the Program | Guest: Dr. Eithan Haim | 6/17/24

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Speaker 5 We start with this unbelievable report from CNN where

Speaker 7 they talk to experts to show that we are not a republic.

Speaker 10 And the people who say

Speaker 4 we're not a democracy, we're a republic.

Speaker 16 That's all a scam coordinated by Donald Trump's minions to get us to devalue democracy.

Speaker 17 Oh my gosh.

Speaker 4 We kind of set the record straight on that one.

Speaker 4 Then we talked to a whistleblower who is being railroaded because they blew the whistle that this hospital was actually performing gender mutilation surgeries while claiming to the state, we're not doing that at all.

Speaker 3 He's now got DOJ

Speaker 7 investigators knocking at his door.

Speaker 23 You won't believe this story, and there will be part two on tomorrow's podcast.

Speaker 5 And then we go into a really difficult story of

Speaker 8 redemption.

Speaker 5 There's a story in the news that came out of a friend of ours who we knew had done some really bad things in his youth at 20 years old, 40 years ago, but we didn't know what it was.

Speaker 28 Well, it just came out what it was.

Speaker 29 Does that change who he is?

Speaker 7 Or does it change just our perspective of who he is? What is the true meaning of forgiveness and redemption?

Speaker 28 Do we believe in it or not?

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Speaker 25 the best of the blend back program.

Speaker 19 I have some

Speaker 7 breaking news from CNN.

Speaker 21 We apparently are not

Speaker 9 a republic.

Speaker 38 Now, I want you to listen to that.

Speaker 7 Please, I haven't said this in a long time, but just about everything just pisses me off so much, and I can't believe it that I've kind of given up on my head not exploding.

Speaker 9 But I guarantee you, your head will explode on this CNN clip.

Speaker 23 So please wrap your head tightly in duct tape.

Speaker 15 It will explode, but at least you'll have all of the pieces.

Speaker 43 That way when you walk in, they'll be like, ah, another head explosion.

Speaker 7 And you'll have all the pieces so they can stitch it back together.

Speaker 8 But your head will explode on this.

Speaker 7 Here's the latest from CNN.

Speaker 44 President Biden touts his re-election campaign as a fight to preserve democracy.

Speaker 44 But if you ask some Trump supporters, the former president is not a threat to democracy because the United States is not a democracy.

Speaker 45 Obviously, there's a lot of criticisms of Trump that he is bad for democracy, that he's bad for American democracy.

Speaker 38 We are a republic. We're a republic.

Speaker 48 We are not a democracy. We are a republic.

Speaker 47 We're not a democracy.

Speaker 45 One thing we've been hearing at Trump rallies like this over the past few months is that America isn't really a democracy.

Speaker 46 America's not a democracy.

Speaker 49 It's a republic.

Speaker 47 It's not a democracy.

Speaker 47 Okay, democracy is actually not as good as you think it is.

Speaker 46 America is a democracy. It was founded as a democracy.

Speaker 45 I've heard a lot of conspiracy theories.

Speaker 44 I hear a lot of things out on the road.

Speaker 45 But to hear Americans, people who would describe themselves as patriots, say that America is not a democracy, that stopped me in my tracks.

Speaker 46 You are hearing people say America is not a democracy. Listen to people.
And there are people around Trump who want them to be saying that, who've been planting that narrative.

Speaker 25 Ah.

Speaker 40 Okay. They've been planting that narrative.
Wow.

Speaker 26 Okay.

Speaker 7 Continue on, please.

Speaker 28 Play some more if there's any more.

Speaker 7 Oh, you got to get to the...

Speaker 15 Okay, so see if they can give me the rest of it where they explain, where they go back and they talk to people and they're saying,

Speaker 51 you're wrong. We're not a republic.

Speaker 28 And they make this into a giant scandal.

Speaker 25 We

Speaker 19 are

Speaker 9 a republic.

Speaker 52 And to the republic for which it stands, okay?

Speaker 53 Here's the problem.

Speaker 7 People don't understand what the difference is between a democracy.

Speaker 35 We are a democracy on voting day.

Speaker 2 One man, one vote.

Speaker 52 You go in and you use the democratic principle of one man, one vote, and you democratically elect

Speaker 15 people to their position.

Speaker 38 But what you're not doing is voting on every single law.

Speaker 15 You are voting for a representative.

Speaker 23 That representative represents in the republic.

Speaker 7 A republic has people, understands that people can't understand every single issue and be voting on every single issue.

Speaker 8 A republic also understands that a democracy is bad.

Speaker 15 A

Speaker 38 democracy-only country will fail every time because all you need is to whip enough people into a frenzy, schedule a vote, they'll vote the way you want them to vote.

Speaker 7 It will bring you you things like the Patriot Act.

Speaker 55 When something bad happens, people will be like, we got to stop all those Japanese. Let's put them into a camp.

Speaker 12 Okay?

Speaker 9 You have a republic to slow

Speaker 13 the process down

Speaker 13 and give reason a chance.

Speaker 8 Can you imagine this country voting on every single issue when they don't even know the difference between a republic and a democracy?

Speaker 6 and when you have media that is going to experts, so-called experts, and telling us that

Speaker 6 we're not a republic?

Speaker 36 A lot of time was spent with the founders trying to find the best system.

Speaker 18 They ruled democracy out because they always fail.

Speaker 15 So they took the democratic principle, which is one man, one vote, used that to select representatives.

Speaker 7 we are a representative republic

Speaker 27 and that you have to be able to explain that to people you have to understand look

Speaker 7 democracy is a very important part of our republic

Speaker 7 but it is not what we are

Speaker 34 We are a democratic republic.

Speaker 24 So we vote for the people to represent us.

Speaker 56 Why is the democracy part so important?

Speaker 39 Well, the democracy part is really important because what was the war in heaven all about?

Speaker 35 If you go back and you read your scriptures and you look at the war in heaven, what was it about?

Speaker 17 It was about Satan saying, I'll cleanse all of them.

Speaker 36 You don't need anything but me.

Speaker 16 I'll go down and I will tell everyone

Speaker 18 what they're supposed to do and keep them from sinning.

Speaker 38 I'll keep them safe.

Speaker 38 And they won't make any decisions on their own.

Speaker 36 I'll tell them they can only do these things.

Speaker 23 And then Jesus stood up and said, No,

Speaker 18 they must have freedom of choice.

Speaker 38 And so,

Speaker 16 I will go down and atone for all of their mistakes.

Speaker 30 So, the very first thing in the very first argument

Speaker 6 in all of the scriptures,

Speaker 7 the first argument was over free choice. Do I have someone make all the decisions to keep me safe and free from all harm?

Speaker 52 Or do I have a Savior that will rebalance things and make sure that you're clean enough?

Speaker 36 Because no one can be clean enough.

Speaker 57 No one will ever be perfect on earth.

Speaker 13 Unless

Speaker 59 Satan would say

Speaker 23 somebody tells them exactly what they can and cannot do.

Speaker 56 Well, that is a misunderstanding of human nature.

Speaker 58 That is a misunderstanding of God's nature.

Speaker 9 so one man one vote yes very important

Speaker 36 but then take human nature into account

Speaker 36 human nature is to just go with their feelings

Speaker 15 that's a bad idea

Speaker 18 so the whole Constitution is written to restrain the government so they cannot make every decision for you like they're trying to.

Speaker 23 This is when people say government thinks it's God

Speaker 7 government is their God yes it is because they want it to make all of the decisions for you does that sound like the plan of Jesus or the plan of Satan

Speaker 35 so you elect the representatives they answer to you

Speaker 7 This is why they are the ones that hold the purse.

Speaker 18 Congress is supposed to be the only one that can initiate spending.

Speaker 15 But these people who claim they're for democracy are just spending it anyway.

Speaker 57 It doesn't matter.

Speaker 53 They hold the purse.

Speaker 6 They're the closest to you.

Speaker 30 They're elected every two years.

Speaker 19 Why?

Speaker 29 Because

Speaker 52 You need to be able to tell your representative, no, that's not what we want.

Speaker 16 That's why every bill of spending, everything needs to start with Congress.

Speaker 8 But what happened to Congress?

Speaker 7 Why isn't Congress doing anything?

Speaker 7 Well, they'll say it's because of the Republicans and the Democrats.

Speaker 57 No.

Speaker 36 It's because no one in Washington wants it to work that way.

Speaker 38 They want to be able to issue dictates.

Speaker 16 Dictate, dictate, that's the root word of something else.

Speaker 41 Oh, a dictator.

Speaker 18 they want to issue either an executive order which is part of the American Republic but they were never meant to be used like this

Speaker 54 all the things that are going through executive order now are the responsibility of Congress and the Senate

Speaker 15 they were never we were never to be ruled by faceless bureaucrats that no one elected.

Speaker 8 You want to talk about

Speaker 7 to democracy,

Speaker 15 the EPA, the ATF,

Speaker 32 the

Speaker 23 housing people,

Speaker 39 the Fed,

Speaker 29 all of these things that you never elected.

Speaker 36 You never elected any of those people.

Speaker 15 And it's okay if they are hired to be in there to make the system work,

Speaker 13 but instead, they're making the rules which become laws.

Speaker 18 Only Congress can make laws.

Speaker 18 But we don't do that anymore.

Speaker 6 That's why we have to restore the republic.

Speaker 7 Democracy is happening, and democracy is very important.

Speaker 6 But we have to restore the republic because the republic part of our democratic republic republic is broken.

Speaker 19 Oh

Speaker 19 these

Speaker 19 the the

Speaker 19 lies and the lies from not only the media but the so-called experts when are we going to stop listening to these experts

Speaker 19 well I'll tell you I'll tell you

Speaker 13 because the rest of that CNN report went on and went back to the people who said we're a republic, not a democracy.

Speaker 38 And then they couldn't understand they couldn't define what a republic was

Speaker 55 well you're of no help you're of no help that's why we have the experts don't claim something if you don't

Speaker 14 all knowledge all information everything you believe must be yours

Speaker 36 and it must be purchased at the price

Speaker 33 that apparently is too high for somebody to some people to pay, most Americans to pay.

Speaker 36 The price you have for your opinion is it is your opinion that you have done some sort of research, you've done some sort of thinking on this, and you haven't taken it from a boob like me and just went, oh yeah, well, he said it, and you know, it sounded really good.

Speaker 37 So, we are a republic, not a democracy.

Speaker 7 You can't take what I have spent my lifetime learning and studying.

Speaker 36 You can't take it from me.

Speaker 38 It must be your own.

Speaker 54 It's like a testimony of God.

Speaker 7 If you don't have a testimony that is yours, if you are feasting on somebody else's, you're doomed.

Speaker 19 Okay? It won't work.

Speaker 12 It will break down.

Speaker 18 And people will say, well, wait a minute.

Speaker 38 What about this or this and this?

Speaker 9 If you haven't thought of that,

Speaker 55 then you don't really have a testimony.

Speaker 38 If you haven't thought, when I say, well, what is the difference between a

Speaker 7 republic and a democracy?

Speaker 36 If you can't explain that,

Speaker 56 how do you think your kids are going to explain it?

Speaker 52 How do you think you can possibly defend the United States of America if we don't know what our rights are, if we don't know why they were established?

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Speaker 53 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Speaker 22 All right, I want to introduce you to Dr.

Speaker 57 Ethan Heim.

Speaker 7 He is a surgeon and he is the pediatric sex change whistleblower.

Speaker 32 He was the anonymous whistleblower in the study that, or the story that was released by Christopher Ruffo, good friend of the program and a good friend to the Republic.

Speaker 9 He exposed that Texas Children's Hospital continue and expanded its pediatric sex change program despite the fact that they had announced that that was all shut down in March 2022.

Speaker 27 Well, within 24 hours of the story's publication, the laws in Texas were changed.

Speaker 43 Now,

Speaker 26 just a couple of weeks later, there's a knock on Dr.

Speaker 9 Imes' door.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 22 it's people from HHS, agents from HHS.

Speaker 23 He said they were aggressive.

Speaker 4 We'll get the story from him.

Speaker 7 But they said he was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

Speaker 24 He was standing at the door.

Speaker 8 They just wanted to do a quick interview.

Speaker 7 It's my understanding. His wife said, no, no, wait, honey.

Speaker 28 Let's get an attorney.

Speaker 9 Now there are four felonies.

Speaker 23 He didn't break any laws.

Speaker 28 Let's go to Dr. Heim.
Hello, doctor.

Speaker 49 Yeah, thank you so much for having me on. And, you know, it's a crazy day because in a few hours we'll be going to court for the first time.

Speaker 49 So if anyone wants to donate to our legal fund, they can go to giftsengo.com forward slash Texas underscore whistleblower. We need all the help we can get.

Speaker 49 We need to do something to protect these kids, protect whistleblowers.

Speaker 37 And thank you. So you have

Speaker 20 you're welcome. And thank you for what you've done and your attitude.

Speaker 7 You have said, because you've already gone through all of your savings, all of your retirement funds,

Speaker 26 everything you've gone through to pay for the attorneys, and you really need help.

Speaker 24 And you said that you didn't want to come on because you don't want to sound like some grifter.

Speaker 7 You didn't want to sound like you were making money off of this or even being a victim because

Speaker 7 you said all of this has been worth it.

Speaker 49 Yeah. You know,

Speaker 49 it's one of those things where

Speaker 49 You never imagine something like this is going to happen to you, right? Because you see it in the news, especially over the past few years. You see it happening to other people.

Speaker 49 But then one day, you know, that knock comes to your door.

Speaker 49 And then after those agents left, right, after my wife, you know, she advised me not to speak with them with that attorney, you know, we had a decision to make, right?

Speaker 49 Do we try to fight back or do we submit to the ideology and try to make it all go away? And we knew that we were going to have, you know, kids someday. And, you know,

Speaker 49 what kind of world would we be delivering them into if there's not the men and women in this world who are willing to sacrifice in order to deliver them to a better future?

Speaker 49 So, yeah, we made a lot of sacrifices. We've sacrificed a lot.
I mean, everything we have, all of our money.

Speaker 49 But the thing is, what you gain back is something so much greater because you have the opportunity to fight back against people who are destroying this country.

Speaker 49 And there's going to be some day in the future where, you know, my daughter and my wife is pregnant.

Speaker 25 She's 23 weeks with her first child.

Speaker 49 And

Speaker 49 thank you, thank you. Yeah, it's my first Father's Day yesterday.
But, you know, it kind of became real because you think like, you know, you raise them because

Speaker 49 to have the virtues to live a good and fulfilling life. But but what does that mean if the parents are not willing to sacrifice to make a world where those virtues are are valuable?

Speaker 49 Because right now what's happening is this government is criminalizing those virtues. The justice system is protecting criminals, going after the innocent.

Speaker 49 The medical system is creating sickness and going after the healthy, right? The education system is producing, is miseducating people, right?

Speaker 49 It's like every institution is

Speaker 49 the opposite of what it's meant to do and people like us have to do something about it, even if that means sacrificing.

Speaker 22 Okay, so no laws have been violated that your attorneys can find, right?

Speaker 22 No identifiable patient health information was disclosed, even though that's what the HHS or Department of Justice prosecutor said.

Speaker 15 They first said that, you know, right?

Speaker 49 We're not really sure, you know, because we'll find out later today because we have our first hearing.

Speaker 49 I mean, it's obvious. You know, all the evidence has been online since May 16th, 2023.

Speaker 49 We're not really sure what they've been alleging. I mean, you can, my attorneys had written a letter to Congress January 25th, 2024, outlining the misconduct coming from the prosecutor's office.

Speaker 49 And, you know, that letter makes clear, you know, she had not even reviewed the evidence before she sent agents to my home, right?

Speaker 49 And without even knowing the evidence, she had threatened my wife, right?

Speaker 48 Because my wife is a assistant U.S.

Speaker 49 attorney in the northern district of Texas with the Department of Justice.

Speaker 49 And she, even though she didn't look into the case, she did enough research to find out my wife was undergoing a background check and use that to say, well, Andrea is not going to have any problems unless she continues to become difficult.

Speaker 49 And what she was referring to was her advising me to,

Speaker 49 you know, my constitutional right to have an attorney present.

Speaker 8 Right. So this stems from

Speaker 23 these guys, and you say they were overly aggressive and armed up.

Speaker 7 What was the approach from the HHS

Speaker 22 deputies or whatever they've got?

Speaker 28 What was that like when you opened the door?

Speaker 60 How did you perceive this?

Speaker 49 Yeah, the aggression was a reflection of their timing because it was June 23rd, 2023. It was about a month and a week after the story came out.

Speaker 49 And it was one of the most important days of my life, right? The day I was graduating from surgical training. The ceremony was later that evening.

Speaker 49 And, you know, it's like you sacrificed so much during those previous years, right? 80, 90, 100 hours a week. You miss so many important life events.
And, you know, my family's in town.

Speaker 49 I'm ready to celebrate with all the people I've trained with.

Speaker 49 And a few hours before that, these armed HHS agents come to my home and inform me that I'm under, I'm a potential target of a criminal investigation.

Speaker 49 And it's no surprise that they chose that day to come because they wanted to use the nature of the accomplishment as the crux of this threat, right?

Speaker 49 Saying that you just graduated. You have your whole career ahead of you.

Speaker 19 You better apply.

Speaker 49 We're going to take everything away from you.

Speaker 65 But

Speaker 19 they knocked on the door.

Speaker 42 Yeah. So they said

Speaker 7 we just want to talk to you.

Speaker 60 And your wife said at the time

Speaker 15 that,

Speaker 2 no, no, no.

Speaker 58 get an attorney, honey.

Speaker 4 Make sure you ask for your attorney to be present, right?

Speaker 7 And so, you know,

Speaker 49 you kind of, you kind of freak out the moment when they show up to your door, right? It's like, I didn't know what to do. So I invited them in.
They want to do an interview.

Speaker 49 They start setting up a tripod. But then luckily, my wife, she was getting ready at the time.
She comes out, and then she pulls me aside.

Speaker 49 We go to the bedroom, and then she says, ah, you know, we both agree that we should have an attorney present. And we go back out and tell them, you know, that

Speaker 49 it's just not a good idea. We won't speak with you.
And then they say, okay, and then they leave.

Speaker 49 But before they hand me a target letter informing me i'm a potential target of a criminal investigation

Speaker 2 and they were telling you at the time if you just cooperate uh you could avoid the felony prosecution correct

Speaker 49 yeah that was um outlined in the letter my attorneys had sent to congress where it was the prosecutor um uh who was saying that where but you know it's it's

Speaker 49 for what right and and it's no legal statute had been violated right it's the hospital had been lying to the public about what they were doing to these children.

Speaker 49 And it revealed a principle of medicine, right? It's like there's nothing you should be doing behind closed doors that you're unwilling to defend in public.

Speaker 49 And if they need to lie to people about it, then of course it's wrong.

Speaker 26 Something's wrong, yes.

Speaker 14 The prosecutor claimed that your wife had interfered with a criminal investigation because

Speaker 5 she said you should have your attorney present.

Speaker 7 How is that interference with a criminal, how is the constitutional right

Speaker 28 an interference with a criminal investigation?

Speaker 49 Yeah, I mean, that's exactly correct because this is a constitutional right. And what we've been seeing over the past couple of years is the exact opposite.

Speaker 49 It's like the justice system has become a weaponized against those who demonstrate the virtues that made this country great.

Speaker 49 And

Speaker 49 we've seen this with countless cases, and these are cases you've covered, right? And it's just, I'm just a regular guy. You know, I live in a very small town.
I work in an even smaller town.

Speaker 49 And if it's happening to me, it's going to happen to all, to

Speaker 49 everyone else at some point. You know, if they came for me, they're going to come for you.

Speaker 60 So they also said that you didn't have the right to blow a whistle because it's not, quote, your job to try to stop the pediatric uh program that you should have put up a banner on the highway to express your opinion

Speaker 49 you know that that's one of the things that really frustrated me the most um

Speaker 49 and and you know grants we're hearing all of this this is all happening while i'm anonymous because june 23rd 2023 to january 24 january 2024 i'm still anonymous because like we didn't want to blow up our whole lives, right?

Speaker 49 We just wanted to live a quiet life. That's why we moved to these, to a small town and where I took the job that I did because we just wanted to live a quiet life.

Speaker 49 But once we saw the depth of the corruption that was happening, we knew that we had no option. Like, what could we do? They're going to destroy us.

Speaker 49 For her to say that I had no right to reveal that these children were being abused is

Speaker 49 so profoundly offensive. Because as a surgeon, as a doctor, I take an oath to do no harm.

Speaker 49 That not only extends to my patients, to the patients I operate on, to the people I see in clinic, but that extends to my profession.

Speaker 49 And for someone to say, I don't have a responsibility to maintain that oath in my profession is an abomination. Right.
And for someone who doesn't understand

Speaker 49 the boundaries of her profession, for her to be lecturing me on what I should be doing in my profession is an offense of the highest order.

Speaker 49 And it was once I realized these things that I knew that I had no option, right? Once you tell this story, the corruption becomes self-evident. And that the corruption only thrives in the shadows.

Speaker 39 So

Speaker 28 we're talking to Dr.

Speaker 7 Etham Haim. He is a surgeon.

Speaker 64 He was a whistleblower on the Texas Children's Medical Hospital, Children's Hospital.

Speaker 32 And he's paying a great, great price for it.

Speaker 60 If you would like to help defray some of the costs,

Speaker 7 he's already gone through all of his savings, all of his retirement,

Speaker 58 you know, what they make together.

Speaker 26 They're paying all of it to

Speaker 7 the attorneys. None of this money goes to him or his wife.

Speaker 22 It goes directly to the attorneys.

Speaker 35 You can go to givesendgo.com slash Texas underscore whistleblower.

Speaker 63 Givesendgo.com slash Texas underscore whistleblower.

Speaker 65 This is the best of the Glenn Beck podcast. It's a compilation of clips from various episodes.
If you want to dig deeper into this interview, check out the full podcast episode.

Speaker 5 Hello and welcome to the program.

Speaker 4 We're glad you're here.

Speaker 11 I'm sure this is going to cost a lot

Speaker 58 for my reputation with people who don't listen to me at all because the media is going to make it look like I'm standing up for people who molest children and I'm certainly not.

Speaker 58 I am standing up for redemption after 40 years

Speaker 20 and things, you know,

Speaker 31 we all make horrible mistakes and that's one of the worst ones you can make.

Speaker 28 That and murder.

Speaker 7 Some of the worst mistakes that you can ever make.

Speaker 28 Are you ever forgiven and can you ever be reintroduced into polite society?

Speaker 38 Yeah, I think you can.

Speaker 28 I just got a letter from somebody who is a dear, dear friend of mine, known them forever, had

Speaker 66 zero idea that they were horribly abused as a child, sexually abused,

Speaker 66 because, well,

Speaker 22 You know, it was in the family and it was also, you know, anybody who had a shot because they grew up in a, you know, not a wealthy family and had to go spend the afternoons at the Y

Speaker 20 and

Speaker 31 horribly abused.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 59 she wrote to me and said, you know,

Speaker 7 I agree with you, but when it comes to my abusers,

Speaker 27 I wouldn't mind, I've forgiven them, but I wouldn't mind something bad happening to them.

Speaker 23 And I understand that.

Speaker 20 I understand that.

Speaker 7 But, you know, it is the forgiveness that we give to people that is the only way we get over things.

Speaker 7 If we can't forgive the people who have done things to us, we just rot on the inside.

Speaker 59 And

Speaker 32 you've got to let it go. And that's really super hard.

Speaker 29 But the same thing is true with the other side.

Speaker 63 If the other side really is serious and repents and tries to make amends and everything else

Speaker 28 and changes their life,

Speaker 28 if they dwell on it, this is is why I think the, you know, in the armor of God,

Speaker 8 where it it calls the the helmet the helmet of salvation.

Speaker 67 I don't, and I probably, you know, scholars will tell you, Glenn Beck doesn't know his ass from his elbow.

Speaker 28 And that's true.

Speaker 60 But I've always interpreted that as

Speaker 28 reflect or deflecting all of the tricks of the mind or of Satan where they're saying, yeah, but you did this.

Speaker 42 Yeah, but you did this.

Speaker 7 Who are you to say that?

Speaker 67 Because you're like this.

Speaker 52 You have to have a helmet.

Speaker 29 And that helmet is salvation.

Speaker 7 It is, I have been forgiven of my sins.

Speaker 23 And you got to stop thinking about those things or it will destroy you.

Speaker 64 And that is the key to the wiles of the evil

Speaker 32 that we live around, making you feel guilty about everything.

Speaker 24 I mean, we live in such an evil society now on so many different fronts, but

Speaker 32 when your leaders are saying that you can't be forgiven for something that you didn't even do,

Speaker 29 you need the helmet of salvation because that's just an absolute lie.

Speaker 59 And I know it's hard

Speaker 7 to get over.

Speaker 58 I mean, just talking now about the other side on victims, My father,

Speaker 28 he was horribly abused, and I've talked about this, by his father, and his mother was abused by his father.

Speaker 9 He was violent, and he was also sexual.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 4 my father hated his father.

Speaker 4 His father, I only really remember flashes of him before he had strokes.

Speaker 23 And my uncle, the same.

Speaker 60 He was exactly the same.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 64 the flashes, they both had strokes, thank God, kind of took them out of practice.

Speaker 60 But

Speaker 24 I only have flashes of memories of them being fully there.

Speaker 4 And the flashes of my memory was one of them was with my grandfather, and he was coming down the hall.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 32 the only thing I remember is seeing his face and going, get out of here, get out of here, get out of here, just being terrified of him.

Speaker 60 My father ran away from home when he was young and he went to the YMCA.

Speaker 58 He was probably, I don't know, 14, 15, somewhere in that area.

Speaker 60 And he ran away to Los Angeles and he was staying at the YMCA.

Speaker 24 And my father was the most open-minded man on any and everything.

Speaker 38 He never,

Speaker 7 he was like, look, everybody expresses themselves differently.

Speaker 29 Don't judge people, et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 59 But if somehow or another, occasionally something about homosexuality would come up and he would just rail on that and just was just like a different person.

Speaker 29 And even us kids, we said, you know, younger, you know, when we were in our 20s and 30s and we were talking about our dad trying to figure him out,

Speaker 7 we were like, what, what is the deal with this?

Speaker 37 How is that?

Speaker 29 I mean, it doesn't fit.

Speaker 38 He's so tolerant on everything except for that lifestyle.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 59 I found out, my dad finally told me before he died that he had been sexually abused by several men at the YMCA.

Speaker 63 And that just changed him.

Speaker 20 And

Speaker 23 my dad just became focused on not becoming his father

Speaker 66 or his brother.

Speaker 59 and just didn't want to become that.

Speaker 56 But you can't do that.

Speaker 8 You have to find out what you do want to become.

Speaker 59 Because

Speaker 16 in his effort not to become his father or grandfather, he became my grandmother, the abused.

Speaker 8 And he never saw it. He never saw it.

Speaker 42 And it just makes me sad.

Speaker 20 But anyway.

Speaker 64 So I understand all of these things.

Speaker 23 By the way, can I change the subject?

Speaker 7 I saw something that I just don't understand, and that is that the U-turn sign now that you see bigot on streets that you even bring it up.

Speaker 68 That's bigoting.

Speaker 53 Yeah, just absolutely bigoted.

Speaker 68 Yeah.

Speaker 48 Yeah. Okay.

Speaker 7 How exactly is it bigoted?

Speaker 35 Well, they're trying to make this into a...

Speaker 68 a sign thing because there were a couple of signs in this area in Los Angeles when apparently a lot of homosexuals moved into the area. And so

Speaker 68 apparently it was also used as a place to pick up a date in that area. So they'd have no, no cruising.
Yeah. I mean,

Speaker 48 a get-together of some sort. Yeah.

Speaker 19 I don't think they're going to the movie together.

Speaker 43 Yeah. Okay.
A booty call. Gotcha.

Speaker 54 So they had a couple of signs up.

Speaker 68 The first sign was taken down a long time ago and it said no cruising in this area, something to that. Okay.
Yeah. Okay.
So they took that down.

Speaker 68 And then you couldn't make U-turns because once you spotted the person that you wanted to get together with, they would make a U-turn and go back and see them.

Speaker 68 And so that's why, supposedly, I guess, the U-turn sign was bigoted because it was directed against homosexuals going back and picking up their

Speaker 43 one neighborhood in Los Angeles.

Speaker 9 Yes.

Speaker 52 Okay.

Speaker 38 Well, that might be very specific to that one neighborhood.

Speaker 19 That's a neighborhood.

Speaker 29 You know, I saw this and I'm like, what does that, how is that possibly even bigoted now?

Speaker 5 I mean, you want to talk about something that is so small in one individual's life that might be real, but, you know, you got to get over it. It's like, you know,

Speaker 58 if, you know, if I, if I see, you know, a yield sign and I'm, well, I was taught that that was yield to Satan and I think it's an evil, evil sign.

Speaker 24 Well, that's not what it means, dude.

Speaker 10 It's not. It was just you.

Speaker 50 I'm going to ignore that stop sign because what am I, what are you telling me to stop you can't you can't stop love

Speaker 50 love never stops no love never should never be told to stop don't ever tell me to stop loving I won't do it

Speaker 52 I'm driving right through this thing right right now it holds nothing I see nothing there except your hatred

Speaker 2 And a semi-truck that's about to parrow into my passenger side.

Speaker 48 There's that.

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