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We want to welcome

Stu and Pat back to the program.

I'm still recovering from eye surgery, and

my doctor told me about a week and a half.

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Anyway, so Pat is joining me.

Stu is joining me today.

Thank you so much, guys.

We've got a big show lined up for you today.

I wanted to start with Donald Trump and the poll numbers.

Stu?

Yeah, I mean, obviously the polling has been pretty solid for Donald Trump here, especially in swing states over the past few months.

And it's been

holding pretty steady.

It's a close race.

And I think people at times can lose sight of that because

you see polls here and there that might show him with seven-point leads in some of these big states.

A 12-point lead in Nevada we saw recently.

That's huge.

But it's still a close race.

And he still has to pull off a couple of states and win them that

Joe Biden won in 2020.

A couple of interesting things on that front.

He now is on the prediction markets, and we talk about the prediction markets each cycle because they're kind of interesting.

It's not what people say they believe.

It's not what people are like.

Put your money where your mouth is.

This is people putting their money.

They're betting on the outcomes.

So this is really a snapshot, not necessarily of where the race is.

It could be totally wrong, but it is a snapshot of what people actually believe.

And what we've seen, generally speaking, throughout this cycle is a pretty close race.

Biden may be up by a couple points, then down by a couple points.

Right now, Donald Trump has a 51% chance of winning the presidency.

In second place is Joe Biden at 42%.

So a nine-point difference.

That's about as wide as I've seen it.

And I think a lot of that goes back to the positive outcomes that have come or positive perceptions of how this case has gone in New York for Alvin Bragg, where it seems like kind of a catastrophe in the making.

So we have that looking good for Donald Trump.

Do you want the, while we're here, the Republican vice presidential odds?

Yeah, I do, but I just want to say, you know, you said, you know, this is how people really feel because they're putting their money down.

And I just want to say, not necessarily people, but just degenerate gamblers like you.

Yes, yeah, that's fair.

That is fair.

That's it.

But those are the people who actually are saying what they believe, right?

Sure, sure.

Because they're usually high on crack as well.

Hey, that might be true.

Though they've done pretty well, as we've noted in the past, as far as predictions go.

Yeah, they've done pretty well.

It's interesting, too, that

while you're right, of course, it is just mainly to generate gamblers that would do things like this.

You know, these people tend to care about the outcome of events.

And, you know, pundits on TV don't necessarily have that same motivation.

Many of them are playing to their base.

Many of them are just saying the things they think they need to say to impress whoever they're going to be at a cocktail party next week.

So I don't know.

I find it at least representative of where we are at this moment.

Honestly, it's red cell.

Do you remember that?

Do you remember when the Pentagon right after 9-11 did a red cell thing and they said, let's open this up to the market and allow people to bet, you know, internally, not, you know, like a stock exchange, but internally, we pick people and allow them to bet money on what they think the next most likely terrorist attack is going to happen.

And it became very, very accurate.

And then it got out that people were doing that.

And everybody's like, I'm offended by that.

Well,

okay, well, it was a great way to be able to figure out

what people thought would be coming next so we could prepare

against it.

It was actually very successful.

Yeah, it was.

And it does tell you something something interesting.

I should point out, as you're accusing other people of being degenerate gamblers, I should point out that you have a $3,000 bet with me that Michelle Obama is going to be on the top of the ticket.

I don't remember.

I do not remember that.

$3,000.

He scared it was two.

He kept dropping it.

Three.

I don't remember it, Pat.

And Pat, America doesn't make it.

I wouldn't either if I made that bet.

I was so confident there for a while.

And I had him on the rocks, too.

Now, Glenn, I want to just give you this opportunity as I give you this

additional knowledge that on the prediction markets, Michelle Obama is in third place.

So, like, it's Donald Trump 51%, Joe Biden, 42%, Michelle Obama, 3%.

And I'm going to give you the opportunity.

She's in third place.

I'm going to give you the opportunity to back out of that bet right now.

Wow, really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Let me think about it.

No.

No.

I will give you the opportunity to up it to 4,000.

No, you know,

I don't want to bankrupt you in case it happens.

happens.

Thank you.

By the way, the other two people, RFK Jr., 2% chance and Kamala Harris at 1%.

Isn't that amazing that

Big Mike has a better chance than RFK Jr.

It is interesting.

It's interesting.

It is interesting.

Okay, so Republican.

So what you're saying, Pat, is I got a chance.

Yeah, you got a chance.

There's a chance.

There's a chance.

Still, your chance still hanging around.

Okay, so Republican VP nominee odds.

Republican nominee VP odds.

I can tell Stu loves that.

Stuff.

I love it.

I love it.

Tim Scott, number one,

18% chance.

Number two, J.D.

Vance, Vance, 12%.

Marco Rubio, 10% in third place.

I think the main thing.

Big Mike place it all in.

I can't see.

Big Mike is not.

Yes, here he is.

Big Mike.

Mike Pence, less than 1%.

Oh, no.

I'm sorry.

You're right.

Mike Pompeo, 1% as well.

The one like, Brock knows.

We're going to have to change the way we talk to each other.

Oh, this is making my eyes bleed, but it's worth it.

I'm sorry, we're taking you seriously, Stu.

No, that's fine with me.

I just don't know if you want me to go on, so I'm just going to.

Okay, okay.

What is it that you don't find hysterical?

It's very funny.

Michelle Obama might be a transsexual.

Is that what you find?

No, I mean, I literally made a how's it hanging joke in the middle of all of that.

So I just, yeah, I just wasn't.

And we let it lay.

So

I know we do have commercials coming up, so I was just wondering,

do we move on?

Do you want me to say more?

I'm fine with whatever option.

We can go any direction you'd like.

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There is

somebody that I really respect that is doing something that absolutely has to happen.

You want to fix the country.

We must abolish the Federal Reserve right now.

And Representative Thomas Massey is on the phone with me now.

Hi, Thomas.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn.

Thanks for covering this topic.

It really needs to happen.

We're done nibbling around the edges.

I've introduced a bill to audit the Fed for a decade, but we're past that.

We've got to end it.

Yeah.

So explain to people

what the Fed is and what it has been doing lately.

It's our central bank, and it has nothing to do with the federal government.

It is a private corporation, correct?

Yeah, let me just explain what's happened under Jerome Powell.

And I hate to pick on him, but he's the Fed chairman right now.

And under him, we've seen 25% of the value of the dollar disappear.

Meanwhile, during COVID,

the investment bankers and the Wall Street bankers had their best year ever in 2020.

And we had 7% inflation during COVID, thanks to the Fed.

They are,

and then let me just tell you about Jerome Powell's background because it's indicative of the kind of people that work there.

He started out as an attorney and he got into investment banking, and then he went to treasury, and then he left treasury and went back into banking, and then investment banking.

And then

it was Barack Obama who put him on the federal board of governors, and then it was Trump who elevated him to chairman, and then it was Biden who renominated him.

This guy is the uniparty person who makes the investment bankers rich and everybody else poor in this country.

But it's also, people need to understand the president can't just nominate anybody or appoint anybody.

The Federal Reserve, so all of the, what is it, seven or eight banks, the biggest banks, we are not even allowed to know who they are, which is incredibly un-American and leads to all kinds of corruption.

They get together and they say to the president, here are a few names that we'll accept.

You pick from one of them.

Right.

And then when, right.

And then when that guy takes the job, who do you think he goes out to have dinner with every night?

I mean, there's this argument that we want our monetary policy to be independent of Congress or the executive branch, but it's a falsehood that it's independent right now.

It's not independent at all.

I mean, Jerome Powell lobbies Congress and the White House to engage in more fiscal stimulus.

So, and then they're working.

I mean, when the Treasury gets their debt monetized by the Fed, do you think that's an independent thing?

No, that's a carefully orchestrated dance.

And that's what they've done here recently.

There's three ways you can get money for the government to spend.

You can either tax the people and take the money back, or you can borrow the money, or you can just create it out of thin air.

And what they did during COVID is they created trillions of dollars out of thin air.

And this is, now, Congress is to blame as as well.

Congress spent those trillions of dollars, but it's it's the Fed that enables it, and it's the Fed that pulls it off.

And it's also the Fed.

This is what kills me.

You know, they said that, you know, in 2008, these banks were too big to fail, and we have to stop that.

And everything Congress did made these banks stronger and bigger and hurt the small banks that are not part of the Federal Reserve system, so to speak.

They're not one of the owners of the Fed.

And it seems to me, Thomas, that every time

something is done, the American people are the ones that lose, and the banks get the money, they get richer, and in the end, it's going to be those, however, what is it, five or six or eight banks that make up the Fed.

Do you know?

I don't know that.

We don't even know the number.

Okay, so whatever the number is,

those guys are going to be the ones that are currently holding our debt.

Now, as I understand it, whoever holds debt, you have to pay that debt.

And I have had bankers tell me, Glenn, we don't have to worry about the debt.

Do you know just what our national parks are worth?

And so we will pay whatever it is they want.

We'll have to give that to the banks, which will mean it's a transfer of wealth from the people to these big banks.

It's just obscene.

And they have no intention of selling the national parks, by the way.

They are just going to take it out of our hides.

That's what they're going to do.

And listen,

to your first point there, the Fed acts like they're the firefighters, but they are the arsonists.

Yes, they are.

They kept rates rates low.

They had easy money for banks to get

for so long that the banks, you know, they just assumed it was always going to be that way.

You had a few that failed.

They came in and they, well, they failed because the Fed then came in with whiplash and raised rates quicker than they've ever raised them before.

And then the banks were kind of in this one model.

So then the Fed comes and does triage on them.

So the Fed starts out as the arsonists.

Then they come in and they do the firefighting by raising interest rates, and then they go in and bail out the couple of banks last year.

So

they're causing the problems that they come in and allegedly solve.

But I think we're almost to a point now where they're running out of levers or the rubber bands that attach their levers to our macroeconomy are stretched as far as they'll stretch because right now they're not really in control of interest rates.

They might like to think think they can lower the interest rate to stimulate the economy again.

But the problem is when they recently, when they put treasuries out for auction, the sovereign funds, the other countries that oftentimes buy our debt, said, you know what, at 4.5%,

I don't think that's a good bargain.

I'm not going to buy those.

I need a higher interest rate.

Would you, honestly, if you had, you're in charge of a bank or you were making loans as a private individual and you had somebody who came in and ran their life the way our Congress runs our country,

what kind of interest rate would you demand from them that you would think it's worth taking the risk for that?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, it would be easy, easy in the double digits, and most likely in the mid-double digits for me.

Yeah, and the other thing is then we try to inflate our debt down.

In other words, we devalue our currency.

So it changes the impact of, let's say, the nominal price of our debt in gold, if you could find some outside reference.

So the Fed kind of, and the Treasury kind of likes inflation.

It kills the little guy.

The big guys don't care because like we saw during COVID, they just reprice everything on Wall Street.

And then the other assets, the Fed will prop up by buying them.

So they make sure that the rich people can survive through inflation.

The poor poor people can't, or even the middle class can't, and because you don't have these sort of financial instruments that everybody else has that the Fed takes care of.

And so it's then the Fed is, when they cause inflation, they solve a little bit of the debt problem.

But the problem is we're getting to a point where it's not going to work anymore.

For a while, we had inflation that was greater than the interest rate we were paying on the debt.

So you can see, actually, if people will

take your debt at those low interest rates and inflation is that high, you should probably take on more debt.

I mean, I hate to say it, but they're wising up in the rest of the world.

Now, here's something else that happens.

The U.S.

dollar is the reserve currency.

I mean,

we've mucked with it, but not so much that people don't want it yet.

Yet.

Yet.

And when you want to, everybody likes to do their transactions in dollars.

But to do a transaction

in dollars, you have to hold dollars.

So the whole world is holding dollars.

And so when we devalue the dollar, we're not just taxing our own people.

We're taxing the entire world.

We're kind of like the credit card gets 3% of all the transaction at the gas station.

We get that 3% if we create 3% more money every year, which we typically do.

But the rest of the world is getting tired of being used that way.

They're tired of our transaction fees, i.e.

our inflation.

And when they start using alternate forms of money to do their transactions or holding different assets in their own sovereign wealth funds, then we're not going to be able to do that trick on anybody except for U.S.

citizens.

And again, this is all coming to a head.

Thomas, I said this

a while back,

probably 15 years ago.

When this actually happens, we are going to be labeled because no politician in any other country is going to take responsibility for their own fiscal madness.

Everybody's going to blame it on the United States because we were greedy, grotesque, and took on so much debt that we devalued the dollar and it's going to affect the entire world.

And, you know, I relate it, and I know it's for different reasons in some way,

but I look at the way Germany looked at France

at the end of World War I and the beginning of World War II is I think the way the rest of the world's going to look at us.

We

forced, we didn't, France forced Germany into just devastation where they had to inflate their dollar.

I mean, it was horrible.

The damage that we are going to do by destroying our dollar, I don't think we're going to be very popular in the world.

No.

And then somebody says, okay, if you get, they've been asking me, what if you get rid of the Fed?

What do you replace it with?

That's like saying, if you take out a tumor, what do you replace the tumor with?

And then the serious answer is we go back to stable currency that the government can't manipulate.

I would prefer to have a gold standard, for instance.

Me too.

It's hard.

So I have been told,

this is what a serious, serious banker at the Fed level has said to me.

Glenn, the reason why we had to get rid of the gold standard is at first it was because we wanted the great society and the Vietnam War.

Couldn't afford it.

But there's not enough gold to build and live at the level the world lives right now.

We had to play funny money, and everybody is in on it.

We can't go to a gold standard because there's just not enough gold.

Do you buy that?

Well, there's enough gold to do honest transactions, but you're right.

There's not enough gold to do the funny money and to fund all of these wars, for instance, that we've engaged in.

Typically, when the government tries to leave some kind of standard that they've been on, it's because they have to finance a war.

And nobody wants to consume enough of the debt to finance the war, so they go off the standard.

But yeah, you can't monetize your own debt once you get into that model.

You can't create the funny money.

It's real money.

It's hard money.

And that's what we should go back to.

And we shouldn't replace the Fed with anything.

It's Keynesian economics.

The whole premise, I know a lot of Republicans may disagree with me.

They may think that we need a Federal Reserve Bank and that we need to control inflation.

But that's the whole notion of Keynesian economics that

you could create prosperity by tweaking the interest rates and the money supply, and that the free market doesn't have enough signals and feedback, doesn't react quickly enough that you could have some experts in an ivory tower that need to be turning knobs to make our lives better.

But the reality is the people in the ivory tower, they're investment bankers.

They came from investment banking.

They're going back to investment banking.

They still got ties to it.

And they're tweaking the knobs to help their buddies and to keep this music going until the music stops, which is infinite spending.

You have introduced H.R.

24

as well, which is the Federal Reserve Transparency Act to audit the Federal Reserve and the

Act to abolish it.

You've got a lot of co-sponsors.

Any chance this even gets past our own House speaker?

Well,

not only on this speaker.

Look, we got not under this speaker, but under previous speakers, we have passed Audit the Fed in the House.

They've never brought it up in the Senate or not passed it in the Senate.

You've got people like Bernie Sanders, who sponsored Audit the Fed when he was in the House, and then he gets to the Senate and he won't even sponsor it.

But we've got to end it.

So we've got enough co-sponsors and enough votes to pass Audit the Fed.

It hasn't happened this Congress.

It should happen this Congress.

But

by the way, if it were really part of the government, you could do a FOIA on it, right?

Try FOIAing the Federal Reserve.

It's going to work for you.

So,

yeah.

Quickly, how can people help?

Okay, the HR number is 8421 for ending the Federal Reserve.

We have 22 co-sponsors right now.

We need more co-sponsors.

Ask your congressman to co-sponsor in the Fed HR 8421.

Thomas, thank you very much.

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All right, let's get an update here on what just happened in

the Cohen and Donald Trump trial.

Cohen is still on the stand.

Oh my gosh, it's got to be the longest days of his life.

He is being cross-examined.

Remember, he's the key witness in this Donald Trump

trial with Stormy Daniels.

Yeah, he's really, without Cohen, there isn't even a case to be brought.

You have to believe Cohen because much of the evidence that you would need to make Donald Trump into the bad guy here is specifically based on things that Cohen has said or done and has sole knowledge of.

He's the only person saying it.

So you have to trust Cohen.

Yeah, it all went through him.

He's the guy who, if he's,

if he dropped dead, hit by a bus, the whole thing would be gone.

And, you know, just to remind listeners,

the Michael Cohen situation is not a good one.

It was never a good one, even when Trump was there.

I believe he won our least reliable human being on earth competition for five straight years.

So he did.

He is not reliable and was not reliable back then, is not reliable now.

The media has just decided to try to rehabilitate him because they need him for this case.

So

Todd Blanche, the attorney for Trump, is questioning and going after Michael Cohen to try to make him look as credible as he actually is, which is not at all.

And he went to him and talked to him about a specific transaction with a company called Red Finch.

Red Finch was an IT kind of company that Michael Cohen was dealing with.

And what they were doing with this company at the time is somewhat embarrassing, I suppose.

They were trying to get, they were trying to rig online polls in Trump's favor.

So if you remember at the time,

these polls would come out, who do you think should win the Republican nomination?

This is in the 2016 election.

And Trump would win overwhelmingly, even when he wasn't winning in the normal polls, he would win overwhelmingly on every online poll.

Right.

This is why we've always said online polls are ridiculous.

They're useless.

Everybody rigs it.

Everybody.

Yeah, although

to some degree, people will be like, I'm going to vote and, hey, vote vote on this, vote on this, vote a million times, whatever it is.

Right.

And this is

apparently a professional effort to do that.

And they were going to pay, they were owed $50,000 for their efforts in this front.

Now, Cohen, apparently, and this all happened on the stand.

Cohen

was

supposed to pay $50,000 to this company, but ended up only paying them $20,000.

He still, however, asked for a $50,000 reimbursement from the trump organization

uh

blanche the attorney asks cohen hey did you lie about this cohen on the stand says yes admits that yes he did lie about this wait wait wait wait wait wait wait so he just admitted i just want to make sure everybody understands he just admitted to cheating a company out of 30 grand yep asking his own company or his own firm, Donald Trump's firm, to pay the $50,000 to him, which he was supposed to pay.

He only pays $20,000,

and what does he do with the other $30,000?

I mean, he pockets it.

It's interesting.

The reporting on it, it's a little hard to tell whether he actually said this or whether he just sort of agreed to it, but he was the Blanche, the attorney, brought up the possibility of him having the money in either a duffel bag or a brown paper bag.

Now, that's where I like to keep my money.

It's safe that way.

It's the Fonnie Willis banking system.

Yeah.

That's the way that works.

So

he goes to this and he says, okay, you had this duffel bag of cash.

Where was the cash?

He goes after him on this.

He then tries to really focus this because what you said is true.

Of course, if you are an employee of a company or you're working with a company and you charge someone $50,000 and then pocket $30,000, that's what we would all recognize as theft, right?

Embezzlement or the theft.

Yeah, you're just stealing money from the company that gave you the $50,000.

Wait a minute.

I just want to make sure.

Stu,

Sarah,

you both understand that concept, right?

That's theft.

I'm not sure what he's saying, Sarah.

Can you...

Okay, go ahead.

So

the Trump attorney says, and tries to get this down and like get everyone to understand this, because in case people don't understand, this is stealing.

He says, quote, you stole from the Trump organization, right?

He, by the way, was,

Cohen was reimbursed for about $100,000 in these expenses because he was always getting double the expenses for taxes.

So about $100,000 in all.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Like, what do you mean he was getting double for taxes?

So he was getting, like, if he took $50,000 to do one of these shady dealings, like he did with Stormy Daniels.

All right, he had to pay the taxes.

Yeah, the Trump organization would pay him basically double so that Cohen wouldn't get stuck with the tax bill.

So Cohen would

pay the taxes as if it was income, and then he would still be left over with the same amount he paid to Stormy Daniels, or in this case, this IT organization.

So

the quote is: you stole from the Trump organization, right?

From the attorney.

Cohen admits, yes, sir.

He says, on the stand.

Now,

even the New York Times writes this up this way.

This is another big ding to Cohen's credibility.

Ding?

Yes.

Jurors have heard that he has lied to Congress, tax authorities, and on the witness stand, and now they are hearing that he stole from the Trump organization.

Now, I've had dings in my car.

Yes.

I would say this was a massive wreckage where the car would be total.

I'd argue they totaled the car on this one.

Yes.

I mean, I don't know how you could possibly believe this guy anyway.

You know, some of the stuff, like if there are text messages or other people supporting it, maybe you could say, all right, well, he's telling the story.

There are a few other pieces of evidence that agree with it.

And that has happened on some points during this case.

But generally speaking, they are relying almost solely on Michael Cohen to be the voice of credibility.

And now we know that not only has he lied to everyone else in his life, by the way, including his wife, we didn't even include that in the list, who he lied to when he took out all of this money on a second mortgage and tried to hide it from her by his own admission.

He's admitted to lying to all of these people.

Basically, you're supposed to believe that he has taken every moment of his entire life and filled it with lies with every person he's ever dealt with, except this one moment where he's sitting in front of you on the witness stand.

Okay, so hear me out on this theory.

O.J.

Simpson.

I think this is a

political version of what happened to O.J.

Simpson.

And I hope it doesn't turn that way, you know, in the end.

But if they find him guilty,

it will be exactly what happened with the O.J.

Simpson case, except this is political, not racial.

The jury hates him, Donald Trump, so much that no matter what the facts say, they'll deem him guilty.

Where O.J.

Simpson, the jurors wanted a black man to beat the system, beat the man so badly that they admit it now.

They voted for

not guilty, even though they believed the facts led to guilty.

I hope that doesn't happen, but that's what this feels like to me because it's in New York, any other place, but in New York,

can you get with this judge, can you get a trial that

with jurors, enough jurors

to tell the truth?

And by the way,

just like, do you remember, were you old enough to remember the O.J.

Simpson trial?

Oh, yeah.

I certainly do, yeah.

So O.J.

Simpson, if you remember right, there was speculation, can the trial,

can the jurors ever identify themselves if they find him guilty?

Because the black community was so for O.J.

Simpson.

And I would ask the same thing.

Can these jurors, all from New York City,

can they

live a normal life and not and live without danger if they release him?

Because certainly not going to get invited to many parties.

No, I'll tell you that.

No, I mean, what are all of the other factors that are coming into this?

Yeah, this is tough.

You do, isn't there a moment here for you, Glenn, where you think a little bit about just the legal system and the fact that it's supposed to work and that we have a tradition of people judging these things honestly?

Isn't there at least a possibility that

of a hung jury, isn't there one or two people on this jury maybe that look at this and take this as a joke?

There only needs one.

Yeah.

Do you think that's and it is my hope that there is one that will hold out and say, no way, no way.

I'm not changing my vote.

No,

I don't care about what you guys say.

No.

Hopefully, we can pray that there is one person.

I mean, assuming we're not in the jury room, but what it looks like here,

this is an assault on our judicial system, just like I think O.J.

Simpson was an assault on the judicial system.

I understood that one a little more because the black man had been, you know, just raped in our judicial system for so long that I kind of

it was still a travesty and awful and I hated it, but you could see it.

This one is merely politics.

That's it.

Yeah.

Politics.

They see this as their last opportunity to win this election in a way.

Yes.

Right.

And the other three trials aren't probably going to happen before the election.

Obviously, if Trump wins, he'll throw out two of them, right?

The federal stuff will all be thrown out.

a, this feels like their last chance, and they're looking at this as an opportunity.

And, like, you know, coming into this case, Glenn, it was a weak case.

Everyone knew that.

The fact that it has gone so much more poorly than they even expected

has to rise to some level of

opportunity for this to be shot down, right?

I mean, it doesn't it, I,

man, I, it's just, it's, if you have any faith in the legal system, and look, people, criminals do go to jail in New York, right?

Like, this is not, it's not like every single time they're wrong.

I mean,

they, yeah, and I think that's true.

I'm pretty sure.

I mean, sure, Harvey Weinstein's out probably walking around.

Forget that.

Forget that example.

The plants of New York all over are just like,

keep Harvey away from me.

I mean, they don't charge anybody in New York for crimes anymore unless your last name is Trump.

But, I mean, over, you know, if you think about the average person in New York, again, remember, the Trump attorneys had a chance to throw out anyone they thought was

massively liberal and against Trump to an extent.

They did their best to find people they thought they would be treated fairly by.

I mean, if we are really at the point where they can't find anyone to judge this rationally, we are at a real crossroads as far as our legal system goes entirely, right?

I mean, this is not just a question about Donald Trump in this election.

It's far beyond that.

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