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Where do you want to start, Stu?

Good news, Glenn.

I'm a big positive optimist.

I was hoping you were going to say the other choice.

Good news.

So I disappointed you asking for good news.

Yeah, let me ask it.

Let me just read a thread to you, okay?

Today was a sad yet empowering day at Chapel Hill.

What was happening at Chapel Hill, North Carolina?

Campus.

I mean, probably, you know, basketball tryouts for next year.

When I walked to class, I saw a Palestinian flag raised on our quad flagpole and was

immediately upset that the act of these protesters had made.

I cannot say I'm totally educated on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Well, join the club.

Nobody protesting is really up on it either.

Isn't that like a rite of passage?

You must not know anything about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before you walk on.

But it upset me that my country's flag was disrespected in order to advocate for another.

Shortly after, Chancellor Roberts came out with police officers to hang the flag once again.

They were met with profanity, middle fingers, thrown bottles, rocks, and water.

Now, I don't know how you continue to be a student there if you're doing that.

I mean,

I know these universities want the money, but they're getting so many taxpayer dollars from us anyway.

They don't need the money.

I've been fascinated by the terminology.

These students that have broken into buildings and terrorized the campus may face suspension.

May.

May, I know.

Like it's auto, it's auto expulsion.

Yeah.

It would just be like, hey, guys, wrap it up.

Go home because

you're not a student here anymore.

Yeah.

Now you're just trespassing and you're not even a student.

Correct.

When the flag was raised once again, the Greek community began singing the national anthem.

As the chancellor left, the quad erupted into chaos.

No.

As protesters began removing the flag once again, preparing this time to destroy it.

My fraternity brothers and I ran over to hold it up in order to not let it touch the ground.

People began throwing water bottles at us, rocks, sticks, calling us profane names.

We stood for an hour defending the flag so many fight to protect.

I mean, this is,

I mean, in an insane way, this is kind of like, you know, that generation's Iwo Jiba.

You know, where they're holding up the flag and they're being pelted with rocks and bottles.

My parents started a new life in the United States, a country that has helped them flourish and raise two kids.

I grew up in a military community and I saw firsthand the sacrifices they will make.

I will not stand for the disrespect of these protesters.

Wait, wait, I will not stand for the disrespect these protesters

for

the sake of another country.

My LDOC, whatever that is, L D O C, will be memorable in knowing that my fraternity brothers and I fought to keep the flag up.

But also, it will be memorable in knowing that so many yearn to disrespect it.

Isn't that amazing.

Just amazing, I think.

Good news.

There are people on campuses that actually,

you know, don't like the disrespect and everything else that's going on.

I think that's good news.

Now, here's some more, here's some more good news.

These guys are discrediting the left so

rapidly.

80% of people are actually not for the Palestinian cause.

They're for the Israelis.

80% of Americans.

And Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing everything they can to empower these guys and everything else.

It's not helping the Democrats.

Good news.

Let them burn themselves down.

Let them do it.

Because you get rare, rare moments of deep, deep satisfaction like this.

A clueless Columbia University protester who once worked for a lefty consulting firm hired by Bill de Blasio demanded Tuesday that

the school help get basic humanitarian aid such as food and water to the anti-Israel rioters illegally occupying the campus building.

Like, could you please, please, could you help people have a glass of water?

said the one woman.

Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill, even if they disagree with you?

Have you heard this audio?

You have to hear this back and forth.

We have it.

Let's play it.

This is clip one.

Why should the university be obligated to provide food to people who've taken over a building?

Well, first of all, we're saying that they're obligated to provide food to students who pay for a meal plan here.

But you mentioned that there was a request that food and water be brought in.

Unless I missed an audience.

To allow it to be brought in.

I mean, well, I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation Columbia feels it has to its students.

Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill, even if they disagree with you?

If the answer is no, then you should allow basic, I mean it's crazy to say because we're on an Ivy League campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid we're asking for.

Like, could people please have a glass of water?

But they did put themselves in that

very deliberately in that situation and in that position.

So it seems like you're sort of saying, we want to be revolutionaries, we want to take up this building.

Now would you please bring us food and water?

Nobody's asking them to bring anything.

We're asking them to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid.

They're stopping the delivery of food.

We are looking for a commitment from them that they will not stop it by the way.

They're not even doing it.

They're not even doing it.

Well,

I don't know to what extent it has been attempted, but we're looking for a commitment.

I mean, that is, first of all, the reporters are fantastic.

Fantastic.

You want to be revolutionaries, and you want to take over a building, but then you also want them to bring you food.

Somebody bring my Xbox.

This is so

hard.

At night, I just,

we don't have anything to play.

We don't have anything to do.

I want my blankie.

Now, I also really appreciated the guy with a half shirt.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Background.

Yeah,

that's very

nice.

I have the exact same shirt.

Do you?

Oh, yeah.

I look really good at it, too.

I love, too, that

they make it.

you see how much of this stuff is fake.

Like, these people are sitting in a building.

None of them are going to die of dehydration.

It's impossible.

It would never happen.

If they got to a place where they got to the point where they were like, oh, well, I got needed medical attention.

They would come in and take them out.

and bring them to an ambulance and they would just get hydration.

Like there's no chance of them.

Before you even get to the blindness stage, all you have to do is walk outside, go to, you know, the ambulance or the medical tent.

You know, they said in, I can't remember which story it was, they were talking about campuses and how the campuses and the protesters have set up medical tents.

Now,

I don't think so.

I don't think that they...

Really?

The protest?

These protesters?

Bring us some water.

These people?

You know, before we do anything, let's say make sure we have medical aid and let's have a tent and some paramedics there.

They didn't do that.

Right.

Who did it?

Who did it?

Who did it?

Who did it?

And again, these are young,

healthy college students.

What the hell do they need a medical tent for?

When they all rape each other, which is always how these things end?

Is that what we're talking about?

After the rapes, they want to have?

Please, America.

Please, conservatives.

Just let this go.

Let it go.

Just let it keep building and building and building.

Let it keep building.

Oh,

you know, I'd like to, because I'm, just for entertainment purposes.

Oh, oh, please, for election purposes, too.

This is killing the Democrats.

This is killing the Democrats.

You want this?

Have at it.

You have the option.

It's right here for you.

If you'd like to have a society with no rules, no laws, no civilization.

I mean, look at the aftermath of these things.

They're destroying these places.

It's how every left-wing protest ends, right?

Garbage everywhere, victims everywhere.

I mean, it is a disgusting display that is so very typical of how these things go.

So, you know, what's really interesting?

If you look at the assassinations, you know, of presidents.

Always comes from one side.

Always really comes from one side.

You know, you have, well, Abraham Lincoln.

He certainly wasn't a Republican.

The assassin, you mean?

Yeah.

He was definitely not a Republican.

John Wilkes Booth.

Yes.

Not a big, he wasn't a MAGA guy, you don't think, at the time?

No.

And then you have Garfield.

Is it Garfield?

Was next?

Garfield was

shot by

one of his own supporters, the other president that I don't even remember what his name is, McKinley.

He was shot by

a lefty, a communist.

Then who's next on the hit parade?

Well, then you have

John F.

Kennedy, who is shot either by the CIA

or by a lefty.

Then you have

RFK shot by a Palestinian.

Oh, I forgot the attempt on Harry Truman's life, which was two Palestinians that tried to shoot him.

Then Ford, you have Squeaky Fromm.

Come on.

You think she was conservative?

Lots of conservatives named Squeaky.

Right.

Right.

John Hinkley, he was just nuts.

But almost all of them come from the left.

Almost all of them come from the left.

What do you expect?

This leftist movement is all about destruction.

I'm torn on your take here on this because while I agree

that it is fun to watch the left eat their own, That is an entertaining prospect.

No, I'm offering this as a political strategy.

I do worry about like

long-term effects here.

I feel like we are

going down a road that might not be easy to reverse.

And that's so I am a little concerned about that.

But

I would like the left to pay the price for this.

Why wouldn't I run in and rescue them?

The only thing, the only bad part about this is the damage that's being done to Jews.

That's what I mean.

This is a big part of this.

It's not just some silly climate protest, right?

Like we're talking about

a growing movement that is, and we have the polling, 20% of the population agrees with Hamas.

No, I know.

We are in a,

that's a really serious problem for a nation to have.

So I am concerned about it, but I also see what you're saying, Aaron.

It will be entertaining to watch them eat their own.

So they defaced a statue of George Washington at George Washington University.

They spray painted genocidal warmongering university.

Now,

I don't know why you were attending that school if that's what you thought that school was.

You know, where are you going to go to school?

Well, I want to go to the genocidal warmongering one.

What?

Yeah.

Okay, well, you probably shouldn't be on campus.

But they covered it.

Is these are people that are actually going to the school?

I do think that there's a lot of these people that nothing to do with the school.

Yeah, just these activists that you'd see at every other

mostly peaceful bonfire.

They

spray painted and then put stickers all over the statue of Washington.

And the genocidal free Palestine and the genocide, free Palestine.

The students united will never be divided.

I mean, unless unless you're a little rumbly and you're tumbly.

And anti-fascist action.

Okay, right.

Oh, and then the pink stickers that read, rise, love, resist.

Oh, so inspiring.

I just love it.

That's why I really love that clip that we played just a minute ago, is that this is such a playbook, right?

Like, this is such a...

checklist of things to say and things to demand and stickers to put up and and different protests to do.

Like she's asked these questions and she's saying like, well, what we need is basic humanitarian aid.

That's what you say like in Gaza, right?

You don't say that at Columbia University in the middle of Manhattan, right?

Like that, like that's not a legitimate...

Right.

A legitimate way of talking about what's going on here, but they constantly say the exact same things because they have this playbook and they have this checklist and the media eats it up.

Well, if you're, I I mean, if you're going to Colombia, according to the oppressor-oppressed kind of, you know, battle, you are the definition of the oppressor.

Okay.

You're the elite.

So I don't know what you're, I don't know what you're thinking about.

It's so weird.

And they all try to claim the opposite side of that.

You know, this is the same thing that happened with Elon Omar's kid, you know, who came out and was saying she was homeless and starving.

It's like, your mom makes $200,000 a year just in Congress, let alone what she makes from Maroon 5 music videos.

God only knows.

So like, what's legitimately, like, what on earth are we talking about here?

None of this makes any sense.

And the media keeps taking it seriously.

Luckily, these reporters at this one press conference stepped up and started asking basic questions that any human being would ask in this situation.

So wait a minute.

Well, you guys put yourself in there.

You can walk out at any moment.

There's a hot dog stand right there.

I think this is, I think this is great.

And it leads me to a statement I never, ever, ever thought I would make.

Wow.

These people

make me like or have more respect for hippies.

Really?

Wow.

I mean, because you look at these guys and you're like, oh, no.

I mean, at least the hippies, you know, actually knew what they were standing for.

I mean, at least the hippies.

I mean, go back to the Weather Underground days, though.

I mean,

they weren't all so, they weren't all the folks.

Those weren't hippies.

Those were Marxists.

Marxist hippies.

All right.

October 7th, last year, a powerful wake-up call for the world.

That

has changed everything in history.

The hatred of God's chosen people never really dies out for some reason.

People of Israel are still reeling from that attack, still working to put the pieces of their lives back together.

You can't live in the places where they were, you know, slaughtered.

The International Fellowship of Christians and Jews is helping out because they still, they're people that are, you know, dispossessed.

They don't have any place to live.

And, you know, that was a problem even before October 7th, but especially since then.

They do so much.

One of the most important things they're doing right now is trying to put up bomb shelters for innocent civilians and especially children.

They're putting them up all of the bus stops, especially up north, where the kids go to school and they're they're strategically,

you know, targets.

They're putting these bomb shelters where they are needed the most, and they cost about $15,000.

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Hey, here's some really good news.

CBS News is reporting that several federal agencies have weighed various options for how to resettle Palestinians from Gaza.

One of the proposals

uses the decades-old United States refugee admissions program to welcome Palestinians with U.S.

ties who have managed to escape Gaza and entering neighboring Egypt.

Well, this is great.

I mean, because, I mean, you just look at the polls.

These are good people.

98% say their sense of pride as a Palestinian has increased because of October 7th.

75% of Palestinians directly say they supported October 7th, the terrorist attacks.

76% say they viewed Hamas, the terrorist organization, positively, but 23% views Hamas negatively.

97% view Israel very negative.

97.6% view the US very negative.

Let's bring them on in.

Let's bring them all on in.

Because just ask Jordan and Egypt and any other country that did this, how well that worked out for them.

Oh, no, it works out.

They just melt into your society and they become good, solid citizens every single time.

Well, you can see it's true, Glenn, because, you know, we're currently building a $300 million raft off the coast of Gaza

to give them food.

Because what we know, this is all about humanitarian aid, right?

They just want humanitarian aid.

And what's happened with the raft?

They've been firing mortars at it.

Which is a weird thing to do if it's really about getting aid.

It's almost like that's not what it's about at all.

By the way, speaking of that's not what it's about at all, tucked in the $95 billion military aid package for Ukraine and Israel and Taiwan is the $3.5 billion slush fund

just to process new Muslim and Palestinian migrants

and immigrants.

That's good.

I mean, does Joe Biden have the finger on the pulse of America or what?

I mean, they are right in step with most if not all Americans

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Well, as we're talking about the universities and

you have the mayor of New York coming on and saying,

we've got to protect our city.

There is an effort underway right now to indoctrinate and radicalize our children.

No,

no.

Yeah, yeah, apparently it is.

Yeah, college campuses going on.

Been going on for a while, I guess.

Who would have seen that one coming?

Yeah, and Joe Biden wants you to know that if you are going to one of these universities and destroying it, it should be free.

You should not be paying back any of the loans that you took out.

Amen.

You know?

Amen.

You don't want to have it.

Is he doing more today?

How, just from a timing perspective, how can this possibly?

I question whether it's real?

He has his finger on the pulse.

President Biden, quote, today my administration is approving $6.1 billion in student debt cancellation for 317,000 borrowers who attended the art institutes, end quote.

Wait.

How is that pos in the middle of this?

Wait, hold on just a second.

So I'm now paying for people who went to college to study something

that you never make money on.

No one makes money as an artist.

No,

there are four people in the world who can make money with art.

You happen to be one of them, by the way.

Congratulations on that.

I think Hunter Biden is another.

Yeah.

And then there's two weirdos who live in, like, you know, I don't know, in Brooklyn.

Right.

Those, I don't know who they are, but that's it.

No one makes money.

The whole point, you pay money to go produce art.

That's why they have businesses all over the country where you can go and paint and have wine.

Like, this is like, people pay to do this.

It's hard to make money.

If you go to the art institutes, generally speaking, the word most commonly used before artist is starving.

Of course.

But let's bail them out.

But let's bail them out too.

Let's bail them out.

Let's bail them all out.

And in the middle of this, where you have crazy left-wing nut jobs ripping up our campuses, they're like, oh, let me just give them $6.1 billion.

And might I ask the question yet again, Glenn?

Where does this money come from?

What do you mean you're forgiving $6.1 billion?

Don't he do it with their own law?

That was passed.

I missed the vote.

Where was this?

What do you mean I'm a proven?

What does that mean?

That is not our system of government.

I know.

Well, try this one.

New internal DHS data reveals 45 U.S.

cities that hundreds of thousands of migrants have flown into via the Biden administration's controversial CHNV mass parole program.

It shows that the top 15 cities that migrants were flown into on your tax dollar, on our airlines, which you got to take your shoes off.

They got to know, I mean, come on over here.

Yeah, every third person we do a rectal exam.

Yeah.

And now we're just flying these people without knowing really who they are, doing it in the middle of the night.

Now, these aren't the people who came across the border, these are the ones that the United States government went out to and said, Hey, is anybody a refugee?

You're a refugee.

I got free tickets to America.

So, the top 15 cities,

Miami, Florida, 91,000 people were flown in

from January through August, 2023.

Eight months, eight

months.

Miami, Florida, 91,000.

Fort Lauderdale, which is the same city.

I mean,

it's Miami-Fort Lauderdale.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, I used to live in Fort Lauderdale.

It's, you know, you're part of Miami.

It's a little bit of a drive to Miami, but it's one big, it's like Dallas, Fort Worth.

It's a couple cities that are close to each other.

Okay, so Fort Lauderdale got 60,000.

And then New York City is number three.

They got 14,000.

Oh, wait a minute.

Wow,

that's quite a spread there.

So,

you know, they get 150,000 just in Miami, Fort Lauderdale, and then 14,000 in New York.

Houston.

And think about what Eric Adams has said.

Oh, I know.

They're overrunning our communities.

We can't do anything.

And like

half the cities on this list are in one state.

And

New York City can't handle this?

Yeah, they got 14,000.

Then Houston got 8,000.

Orlando got 6,000.

So another Florida.

Los Angeles, 3,000.

Tampa, another Florida,

3,200.

Dallas, Texas is 2,200.

San Francisco, 2,000.

Atlanta, 2,000.

Newark, New Jersey.

I mean, oh, people love Newark.

If you are,

honestly, if you're like in some other place, I don't care if they're torturing you.

And they say, you want to come to the United States?

Sure.

Where am I headed?

Newark, New Jersey.

No, I'm going to hang out.

I'm good.

I'm good.

I'm good.

Put me back on the rack.

It was false alarm.

False alarm.

I'm not going anywhere.

How do these decisions made?

Do you know, like,

if you are someone coming in, you're an illegal immigrant, you're on

this parole program, and you come in there, like, do they say, hey, here's your, do they have like flyers come visit Orlando out there?

And you just like look through them until you pick one?

Do they just assign a city to you?

Is it wherever your relatives are?

I don't know.

It's taken us forever to get just this information.

No, it's true.

Because I mean, it could be that just these people are like, look, I don't want to go to Newark, so I'm going to pick Tampa or Orlando or Miami or Fort Lauderdale.

I mean,

because

my guess is they're like, well, do you know anyone who lives here?

Yeah, my brother lives in Miami.

And so they're flying them to Miami.

I don't know.

But I mean, regardless, it's wouldn't it, wouldn't the opposite be obvious if you were honest here?

If you're the Biden administration, you keep telling everyone that people in the South and the red states hate immigrants.

They're they're racist.

They're, you know,

xenophobes.

They don't have any programs for them.

So why would you continue to keep bringing them to Florida and Texas?

Why?

Wouldn't you bring them to the cities that have all these wonderful programs that you've passed?

Why not?

Well, unless you're trying to make make sure that you fly them into a city like Miami, Fort Lauderdale that's usually run by Democrats and you can have them vote.

But and it's not run currently by Democrats, which is Miami-Fort Lauderdale.

Miami is a Republican mayor.

Remember, he ran for, for a very short time, ran for president.

I don't remember that.

It was very short.

It was very short.

Very short.

But I mean, unless you have enemies in red states and you realize that what you're doing doing is a punishment, right?

The same kind of thing that, you know, Greg Abbott did here in Texas and said, well, you know what?

We're going to send these people up to you guys.

You guys deal with them because we're being honest about it here.

This is a strain on your society.

And so we shouldn't be responsible for them because we want them to be stopped before they come in.

Right?

All these other people are saying, you're welcoming.

We're welcoming you here.

We want you to come here.

You'll always be welcome in New York City.

I don't know if that one's expired, but that's what Eric Adams was saying when he was running for election.

San Francisco.

San Francisco, all these things.

I mean, we went through and found all the quotes from these mayors.

All of them

welcome with open arms illegal immigrants and invited them to come.

And now when they actually show up, they realize what the situation is.

You're taking a bunch of people who have no

current path to earn enough to to house themselves, to feed themselves, to give themselves basic humanitarian aid.

and then you're going to put that on the state or local community imagine imagine your city no matter how large you are you have an influx of a hundred and fifty thousand people

where are those job where are the jobs for those people

you don't you don't have a deficit of a hundred and fifty thousand uh uh you know employees

where do they work where are they working where are they working?

By the way, a recent Pew Poll found that nearly two-thirds of Americans have little or no confidence that Joe Biden is physically fit to be president.

That's two-thirds.

When you're talking about the immigration thing, 80% of America wants them to be sent back home.

Okay?

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Today is episode two on Alexander Dugan.

Alexander Dugan is a, quote, philosopher

and a quite well-known philosopher in Russia and the rest of the world.

If people are paying attention, you will see that Alexander Dugan is a very, very dangerous person.

He believes a few things.

Capitalism is evil.

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The power of the individual to choose, which he believes is modern liberalism.

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He's the guy who has brought Russia and Iran together in a kind of an unholy marriage.

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How are you, sir?

Well, glad to be back.

Thanks for having me.

Thank you.

So, yesterday we talked kind of about the political side of

Alexander Dugan and why he is dangerous.

Today, I want to talk about

his mixing of religion and what he believes about the Russian Empire

and what he believes about the end of the world.

Yeah.

I think the first big question is going to be a philosophical question.

Now, he's a philosopher.

He's also a political strategist.

And the question always is when religion comes up is what does this person think the nature of religion is?

Now, clearly, he's endorsing religion.

But to get inside his head, there's always a question, does he think the religion is true?

That his particular package of religion accurately is the way the world is.

There's a certain kind of God or gods and spiritual forces, and they provide moral guidance, and we need to take those into account in our personal lives and use them for politics.

So, does he think religion is a matter of truth?

And the second thing for many philosophers and political strategists is not that they think that religion is true, but they think that it is useful, that it pushes people's psychological buttons, that it's useful as a social pacifying, pacifying, as a social

mobilizing force, and that the philosopher does not think that it's true per se, but that it's necessary or that it's pragmatically functional in order to achieve certain social and political ends.

So,

there's a long history of philosophers and political strategists who are actually atheist

or agnostic, but nonetheless, they are endorsing religion strongly.

Correct.

So, I would put Dugan, I'm guessing Dugan is in the second category that he looks at it as useful.

I just don't get a sense that he actually buys into this stuff or does it?

No, I think that's right.

Now, he was baptized in the Eastern or the Russian Orthodox Church when he was a child.

But when I read through Dugan and I listen to him, I don't get the sense that he is personally a true believer.

So I think that for him, it is a matter of saying for the Russians in particular, with their religious history and the on average low state of kind of this sounds like an insult, but the low state of intellectual accomplishment among the broad Russian masses, and also the particular nature of Eastern Orthodox and Russian Orthodox in particular, of taking seriously the submission element and the unthinking obedience to higher authority, that that is baked into Russia's historical religious culture.

And so what one needs as a political strategist, if you're trying to mobilize all of Russia for a certain end, is going to be a certain kind of religion.

You can't just,

for example, say, hey, everybody,

be rational, be scientific, be technological, think of yourself as a free agent entrepreneur, and so forth.

That kind of ideology is not going to work for Russia.

So you need to use a certain kind of unifying force, and that's going to be a certain kind of

religion.

So I do think that primarily the religion for Dugan is pragmatic, not a matter of truth.

Now, when you say that, though, he seems to be a big proponent of the end of days.

Bring Jesus back.

Let's wash the world in blood.

Let's work with the Muslims and especially the Shiite 12 in Iran because they believe the same thing.

We can hasten hasten the return of the promised one so we can get to work on a new world order.

Does he believe that?

And that also is partly outreach to Western advocates of, some Western advocates of religion, right, who find those themes attractive as well.

Now, at the same time, there are those who advocate religion because it's true, those who advocate it because it's pragmatic.

I think there's another element that's important for Dugin, and that I think is that religion often serves aesthetic functions, that people are not necessarily believing that it's true, but they like the idea of the occult, the mysterious, the slightly strange.

They like

kind of the astrological significance and all of the magic symbols and magic numbers.

And an important part of Dugan's personal history is that when he was in his 20s, he was extraordinarily attracted to and into all kinds of occult neo-pagan religions.

What a surprise.

Sorry?

What a surprise.

Well, right.

And so in this case,

almost always the attraction, again, is not truth or problems, but it's a deeply personal aesthetic.

They like the feeling of being in a certain kind of drama, a certain kind of conflict, and imagining themselves.

So if you think about why we play the video games, why we go to the movies and we get swept up in

a world that we know is an artificial world, but we get the psychic aesthetic experience of being in this great drama of good guys versus bad guys.

The fate of the world is at stake.

And literally in video games, you can blow the world up, or in Hollywood movies, the world can be blown up or be on the brink of Armageddon.

And it's very, very exciting to you personally.

So it is.

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that led to Hitler and that Hitler then used.

And it's very reminiscent of what you were just saying about the mysticism and the cult and the darkness of it and the feeling that maybe there's extra magic powers out there.

Exactly, exactly.

So when we turn to Dugan, I think it's got to be then a mix of those.

Personally, for him, he likes that world.

He likes the drama of it.

But at the same time, he's largely a clear-eyed geopolitical strategic philosopher as well.

And he recognizes

psychological and the social power that religion has and sees it as a necessary tool for his ambitions there.

So, before we go to his work in the Middle East, which I think is frightening, when he says that we are the great Satan,

we being the U.S.

or the U.S.

or the West more broadly, yes.

Is he just using that language to speak to

those who are religious in nature, or does he believe that?

No,

I think in that case, it's both.

For him personally, he does see liberalism, the West, and then if you scale out

the entire philosophical tradition that draws upon the Greek and Roman inheritance, he does think of that as false and as immoral.

But I do think when he uses the Satan language, it's slightly metaphorical for him personally.

But as a propaganda message, when you are trying to rally the troops, so to speak, to speak to the broad masses of Russians,

you are using language that they understand.

And those people are largely religious in a certain sort, and they understand the world in a great dualistic good versus evil struggle.

And it's useful for them to get them fired up to have the enemy be be identified, not just in abstract philosophical terms as sinful, as evil, as decadent, and so forth, but in more personalized terms.

They are the tool of Satan or the embodiment of Satan.

So let's go to his work in the Middle East and in particular, Iran.

You know, I've watched the Twelvers, the people who believe in the 12th Imam's going to crawl out of a well and yada yada.

And many of the leaders, I know Mahmoud Ahmad Dinejad started every speech and ended every speech with, oh Allah, give me

the courage to hasten the return of the promised one.

That is exactly the language of Alexander Dugan.

What's the chicken and what's the egg?

And what do they both have in common?

So you can approach this historically and say that all of the

three great Western religions have a common source and that historically this has been a recurring deep theme in all three of them but it comes out in

differentiated forms.

So some Western Christians have it, some versions of Judaism have it, many versions of contemporary and historical Islam have it as well.

So what you use the chicken and lang egg egg metaphor.

So what is the

another metaphor is this just to say what is the historical mother load that is redounding down through the ages and Dugan is just currently tapping into it?

So what do they have in common, Russia and Iran?

Well, both have a common enemy.

So the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

In this case, the Iranians will also say the West is the great

Satan.

It's enemy number one.

And Dugin, and from his Russian perspective wants to say the same thing so then you make a strategic decision right now ethically and religiously Iran and Russia are enemies but what's the more important enemy and from both of their perspective the more important enemy is the West economically, politically, culturally, and so forth.

So you're willing to overlook important ethnic differences and important religious differences to concentrate on the more pressing battle, which is to defeat the West right now.

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he

relates to NATO as the people of the sea, if I'm not mistaken, right?

Sure, that's a metaphor he uses.

And when he's talking about that, he's talking about NATO, and he believes NATO, these countries, need to be destroyed.

But he talks about a couple of things.

One, that modernity is bad.

When he says that, I take it as he means anything after the Enlightenment.

Yeah, for sure.

Now, here,

the important thing, I think, is to see him him as a philosopher.

And so when you are scaling back the language like modernity, you are talking in big picture, centuries-long development.

So the development of the modern world, basically the last 500 years.

And this was kind of just a standard thing.

Once Columbus crossed the ocean, the generation of Michelangelo and Leonardo and Martin Luther, we started doing religion and art and understanding the world in dramatically different ways.

And then you tell the story that that flowers in the Enlightenment of the late 1600s, 1700s, and so on.

Science and technology and industrial revolution and the rights of man and then the rights of women, the abolishing of slavery, ideas of liberty and equality, the birth of the United States and so forth.

All of that is modernity.

And from a philosophical perspective that Dugan is adopting, that was a giant, giant mistake.

Fundamentally flawed in its ideology, fundamentally flawed in its practice and its institutions.

So, in that sense, he is a pre-modernist.

We have to go back and resuscitate

the essential worldview that was in place

in modernity prior to the Enlightenment.

Which was what?

What is he asking for

or pushing for?

What would the world look like?

Yeah, well, he valorizes the medieval era, particularly the medieval era of

of Russia.

So people were religious, intensely religious, in a submissive, obedient, hierarchical fashion.

They had,

this is valorization, a wise leadership that understood its people, understood what God wanted for its people, and in a sometimes brutal world, of course, was willing to fight off the evil enemies in order to protect the people and to advance God's way in the world.

And broadly speaking, that's the language that Dugan

is adopting.

Now, here he is a disciple philosophically of Martin Heidegger.

So we have to talk at some point about Martin Heidegger, one of the two or three most important philosophers of the 20th century.

And what?

Dugan

wrote a whole book on Heidegger.

And I think the disciple language is correct.

So in Heidegger, if I'm not mistaken, he was one of the more instrumental philosophers that helped give us Nazi Germany.

Well, yes and no.

Heidegger, by the time we get to the late 1920s, is recognized as the most significant

philosopher rather in Germany.

And Germany was then the most accomplished intellectual and philosophical nation.

So that really

is saying a lot.

But already, by the time you get to the mid to the late 1920s, National Socialism ideologically is worked out.

The party is in place.

It's making increasing strides in Weimar, Germany,

in getting parliamentary representation in the Reichstag and so forth.

So Heidegger joins in.

He philosophically is agreeing with the intellectuals who are developing the ideology of National Socialism.

So Moeller, Vandenbroeck, Carl Schmidt, and others, you know, brilliant, brilliant guys.

again, PhDs in various disciplines.

And so Heidegger joins in.

He does also join the Nazi Party.

And then he becomes the director, which is basically the head guy at his university and proceeds to try to turn the university into a vehicle for

national socialist ideals in the educational space.

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So Alexander Dugan is a philosopher and a political strategist in Russia.

Tucker Carlson just did an interview with him.

It lasted about 20 minutes, and he didn't get to any of the things other than what Dugan is very good at, is recognizing the problems that we are having.

And so he makes a compelling case of what is wrong with society and the world, and it is his solution that is really, really dangerous.

His solution is fascism without compromise, but also this religious

drumbeat behind him is exactly the kind of things that I've been warning about here in the United States that really fit into Christian nationalism.

His kind of philosophy, and Stephen, I'd like to know if you believe this too, his philosophy is the dangerous Christian nationalism.

Well, yeah, I think that's fair.

At

a higher level of abstraction, if you get away from the differences between Protestants and Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, then yes, there's a common theme at work there.

It's a nationalism, although Dugan does want to broaden that to more of a pan-Eurasianism.

He's willing to overlook certain ethnic differences in order to create the empire, but the same distrust of the individual, of rationality, science, technology, democratic, republican institutions, separation of church and state, they do share that as a common target.

Professor, I know a lot of people, and I've been hearing Glenn talk about Dugan for years and years and years and years, and

endlessly.

And, you know,

if you look past the surface, I think it's pretty clear this guy's not a good guy.

The question, I guess, a lot of people would have is, why does this matter to us?

This is a guy who's, you know, maybe advising Vladimir Putin.

Obviously, we know there are international geopolitical concerns there, but is this a pressing interest for the everyday American?

Well, yes, I think so.

Aside from the geopolitical issues, which of course

are huge, what we find, though, is Dugan's critique of what's going on in the West is picked up by a significant number of people inside the West.

So they are offering the same kind of Duganesque

identification of our problems and variations on the same kinds of solutions.

And so in that sense, Dugan as a philosopher is operating at the right level of generality and abstraction for us to see echoes of what kinds of debates and discussions we're having internally.

So yes,

he matters in that sense.

So here, though, I would say that I don't think he gets the diagnosis of what's going on in the West correct.

Obviously, he's picking up on

some of the symptoms.

Yeah,

his diagnosis is correct.

What he wants to argue is that there's an internal kind of nihilism in the modern Western Enlightenment liberal project and so forth.

And then what happens is that that nihilism

comes out as each generation goes on.

So there's a decline trajectory from the Enlightenment to the various nihilistic elements that we see going on right here.

So what he wants to say is the West's core problem is a kind of secularism.

It's the liberal freedom.

It's the egalitarian impulse of saying that everybody's going to have the same equal political rights and perhaps other rights and so forth.

and so on.

And I think that is just

wrong, right?

When we look at the people we are dealing with right now it's we're

all of the people wearing kathayas and promoting

Hamas and Islamism in various sorts these are not secular people

these are old-fashioned but modernized religious people so it's a competitor religion that has found a way to strategize itself and become

especially important inside the West so the question is not how did liberalism spawn all of these people or create all of these people, but how did this pre-modern competitor religion that is now increasingly violent come to have such a stature inside the United States?

The other element is if you're not particularly focused on the religious elements, but all of the ethnic hatreds, you know, whether the people who hate America or who hate the West for religious reasons and that they are pan-Arab or they want to bring back the greatness of Persia

or or whatever if it's an ethnic rising up that we are seeing.

And there's a significant amount of that.

People who are less religious, but they hate people for racial reasons.

They hate people for inside the West for ethnic reasons.

Then again, that's not a consequence of liberalism.

That is people who are from the get-go

anti-liberalism.

Liberalism says treat people as individuals, respect their rights, tolerate certain sorts of differences, but these are people from the get-go who are intolerant, who think of themselves as members of an ethnic

collective rather, and are just resuscitating old-style ethnic hatreds.

So what we are facing right now is resurgent religiosity of a certain sort and resurgent intolerant ethnic hatreds and racial hatreds of a certain sort.

So the proper diagnosis is going to be to say not how did liberalism create these people, but how did all of these old-style anti-liberalisms, ill-liberalisms come back in what we think of as modern Western society?

So what do people have to be aware of?

Because we're talking about a philosopher that really nobody, hardly anybody even knows about, but I think his tentacles run very, very deep here.

You know, he's the guy who's the head of the Nazi Party.

I believe his wife is the English translator for Dugan

here in the West.

But

what are the things that

we should be on the lookout for that is

an earmark of trouble?

Well, part of what you'll pick this up on

just on the rhetorical level.

If you have people who are not interested in civil debate and discussion and they use all of the standard tactics to shut discussion down, that's always going to be an earmark of something to look for.

If you're interested more philosophically, then you start looking for

the buzzwords about, as we were starting to talk about, the Enlightenment, modernity, attitudes toward the individual.

Is the person in favor of separating church and state?

Does the person believe that

slavery is wrong

or not or is he more tolerant of hierarchical

and thinking about people in submission form and so forth so all of those are going to be the philosophical markers that we need to be in danger of so what we actually need are are two things one is to recognize that we've been lazy in the last generation since the fall of the soviet union in articulating making attractive even making sexy the the modern enlightenment project respect for the individual universality of rights, respecting rationality, the scientific and technological project, and so forth, seeing ourselves as the force of progress in the future, as the good guys.

We've been lazy in articulating that positively, and that has set us up for not being articulate in responding to Dugan-type critiques and other variations of it that are coming from the woke left, the postmoderns, the critical theorists, and so forth.

There's a whole battery of them.

I think an important point here is that young people especially, they want an ideal.

They want their lives to be meaningful.

And when we look at the young people who are wearing kathayas, they're looking for meaning.

They're looking for significance.

If we'd not provided the modern Enlightenment to the liberal democratic republican, whatever we want to call it, freedom-oriented philosophy and made that attractive to young people, then of course they're going to adopt all sorts sorts of weird, irrational alternatives.

And that's one of the big problems right there.

The other thing I would say is that we've been naive in not being aware of our enemy.

Now, you say Dugan's tentacles run deep.

That might be a good metaphor, but I think the way I think of it is that Dugan himself is a symptom.

He's a variant on the same sort of deeper causes.

So when Dugan, for example, declares himself a disciple of Martin Heidegger, It's also important to note that Michel Foucault, Jacques Derrida, and the postmodern left, all of whom are atheist and anti-Western, anti-Enlightenment, they also are disciples of modern Martin Heidegger, for example.

So in one way, the deeper battle is a philosophical battle.

I mean, Foucault is an atheist.

Dugan is kind of religious, but they are coming from the same source.

And we need to be much more up to speed on the dangerous 20th century century philosophers.

So, tell me about Heidegger a little bit.

What was it that he believed that made him stand out?

Well, part of it is just that the man

was brilliant.

Now, when he was young, he was deeply religious.

He was born into a Catholic family.

He actually started off going to seminary school.

He was training to be a Catholic priest, but as the story goes, he lost faith.

And so he could not believe in a personal God

anymore.

Nonetheless, that entire kind of eschatological, the entire religious framework of an old-style Catholicism was deep in Heidegger.

And so what this is much too quick, but what he did was cast

that deeply Catholic Christian

eschatology, ideology, religious framework in more secular terms, that we are alienated from true reality that is higher, that is more transcendent, that we're too caught up in our individual egos and the pettiness of day-to-day life.

We feel guilty, we feel a deep sense of sinfulness, but because of modernity, we are kind of trapped in all of the gadgets and petty day-to-day concerns.

And so, what we need to do is tap into our emotions of guilt, of alienation, and not be too rational about it, but find some way to reconnect with this higher transcendent being.

So that religious framework, what Heidegger did brilliantly was develop a new philosophical language to make that palatable for the philosophical world.

I only got about 90 seconds.

Any thoughts on the Palestinian protest as a professor on campus?

Any thoughts on

what that is, where it's going?

I'm really embarrassed as a professional, as an academic, someone who's made his career inside the academic world, that now that I'm getting a little bit older, that rather than the academic world being a shining star of intellectual daring and courage and discovering new and people committed to civil discourse and deep intellectual debate, that at our elite universities, our students and many of our faculties are basically barbarians, ignorant of history, ignorant of ideas, committed to the worst variations of illiberal thought and practice, and basically

destroying the academic world from the inside.

So

we are

reaping the fruits, the bitter fruits,

the sour fruits of the mainstream 20th century philosophy and intellectual circles, and that's terribly distressing.

Still have hope that it's going to end well?

Well, I am cautiously optimistic.

Most of us didn't know that we had a fight on our hands.

I would say most of us being Americans, Westerners, by and large, until about 2015, so eight, nine years ago.

But at least now we're all starting to get up to speed.

We're aware that there's something sickly, deeply wrong inside intellectual life,

and particularly the academic.

And we're starting to

learn and organize ourselves

in somewhat reactionary form, but figuring out what we need to do to combat the problems.

Stephen Hicks, thank you so much.

Really appreciate it.

God bless.

All right.

The pleasure.

Thanks.

You bet.

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He said, Glenn, I just want you to know that

Marjorie Taylor Greene has put in the hopper a motion

to, what is it, dismiss or remove the speaker.

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I said, oh, geez.

And he said, I think it's a good reason.

I think we have a good reason to do it.

And I said, well, I don't know, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.

Thomas is, I think, a very honest guy,

dedicated to his ideals and his principles.

And so he's moving forward with this.

Now, people say this is going to make

Hakeem Jeffries and those on the left, this will be the most powerful

Democratic Congress or the most powerful minority that Congress has ever seen.

I mean, I think it was...

a mistake to

go down the the Johnson road now in retrospect.

What a foolish, foolish mistake he seems to have been kind of a cloaked figure.

I mean, maybe he's in an impossible spot.

As was McCarthy.

And if I remember right, Massey supported McCarthy staying,

if I remember right.

So it's an interesting thing, but the problem with this situation now is that Johnson owes his political life to Democrats.

What does that mean?

Does that improve the bills that are going through?

Does it improve where he stands?

I don't know.

I don't know.

We'll see.

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joining us next.

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Well,

it looks like Thomas Massey and Marjorie Deller Green

are going to try to oust Mike Johnson as Speaker of the House.

Now, Akeem Jeffery says, well, we're all going to

rally behind him.

And why wouldn't they?

He is a disaster as a Speaker for what we thought we were getting.

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if this is going to fail,

why do this?

Every time you do something like this, we're going to push him further and further into the arms of the Democrats, which I don't think we're getting anything from him anyway.

So I don't know, what's this all about?

And why is Thomas Massey

insisting on doing this?

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You've been saying a lot of things about Thomas Massey, some of them true, some of them false, but the one thing that is absolutely true, he stands on his own principles and he is

unwavering in those principles.

He joins us now from the great state of Kentucky, Republican Representative Thomas Massey.

Hello, Thomas.

How are you doing, Glenn?

I'm very good.

I'm very good.

I don't understand this whole Mike Johnson thing as

Speaker of the House.

I don't understand what happened to him, how we went so wrong.

You know, people are saying that, oh, this has been a this has been a scam forever.

He's been, you know, a rhino and just in hiding.

And now getting rid of him at this point, what good is that going to do or even moving for this?

Because do you have the numbers to do it?

Great questions.

Let me talk about how we got to where we are.

So Mike Johnson has betrayed us three times,

big betrayals.

He did an omnibus bill that spends more than Nancy Pelosi's omnibus bills did, and he gave the FBI a brand new building in that omnibus bill.

And he didn't give us time to read it.

He gave up on doing 12 separate bills.

That was the first betrayal.

second betrayal FISA this is the spying program that's been used to surveil Americans without a warrant he cast the deciding vote on whether to have warrants or not and he voted against warrants this is against what he stood for when he was on the judiciary committee that I serve on with Jim Jordan so something has changed there he said he spent time in a skiff that changed his mind guess what Glenn I don't know if your listeners know this I spent three and a half hours in the same skiff with him, getting briefed by CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, and DNI, and a FISA judge.

And in three and a half hours, they didn't give us a specific example, not one, of how spying on Americans without a warrant has helped them

stop terrorism.

They give hypotheticals, but no example.

So that was the second betrayal.

No warrants.

Now you can still be spied on.

It's reauthorized.

Third betrayal just happened.

This one we're still stinging from because you may have seen the videos of the every Democrat in the House voted for money for Ukraine and then premeditated passed out Ukrainian flags and we're all waving them and basically humiliating us.

And I think Speaker Johnson, if he's capable of having shame at this point, should have been humiliated by that display as well.

I put the video of that on Twitter, and the sergeant at arms told me he would fine me $500 if I didn't take it down.

So I reposted it.

Because, look, you're not supposed to put video of what's happening on the floor, but that was video of things that were breaking decorum, right?

I was trying to provide evidence that they were in the wrong, and instead of prosecuting them, they came after me.

Of course.

Now, we got 8 million views on the video after I reposted it, and Speaker Johnson backed down on that fine because he knew how bad it looked.

So, third betrayal

was that Ukrainian vote where we send the money overseas.

We gave up all leverage on any border security.

It included some other bad stuff in it.

Let's talk about the $4 billion

to

help people from the Middle East

immigrate here to the United States, including Palestinians.

Are you nuts?

Yeah, and see, Mike Johnson's not going to stand up against that.

By the way, those three bills that I just mentioned to you, you know what happened when they went to the Senate after they passed the House?

Chuck Schumer didn't even change the punctuation of any of those bills.

He didn't want any amendments to them.

He wanted them exactly as Mike Johnson had delivered from the House because those were Chuck Schumer's bills that Mike Johnson put on the floor.

So he is already in the arms of the Uniparty.

The question that you rightfully ask is why do this?

Well, people are always asking me, Thomas,

can you show us, can you give us a list of the good guys and the bad guys?

Can you tell me who the good guys are?

Because I've got a primary, I've got to vote in, I've got a general election.

Tell me the list.

This list,

you will have another list.

We keep doing this at great peril to ourselves.

The reason there's only a few of us who are willing to stand up and call this is because

you put your reputation on the line, and people here hate transparency, and they hate us for doing it.

But you'll have a list next week when the motion to vacate is called of who went with Hakeem Jeffries

and the UNA party to keep Mike Johnson in power.

Hakeem Jeffries, the reason he's supporting Mike Johnson, he got everything the Democrats want without any of the blowback

by having Mike Johnson as speaker.

And they also, they have some plans for other things, like they may resettle

Palestinian refugees in the United States and pay for it.

They may want to make the funding for Ukraine permanent.

And before our next election, there's going to be another CR or omnibus or something.

That deadline's September 30th.

So there's some people who are like, well, why would you do this now, Congressman Nassey?

Hasn't all the bad stuff, hasn't Mike already done all the bad stuff to us?

Can't we just sit it out through the next election?

No, because what Hakeem Jeffries wants more than anything is to be the Speaker.

And the only way he becomes the Speaker is by getting the majority of the House in November.

And he knows Mike Johnson is the most uninspiring speaker we've ever had, who will not do anything to inspire a base and we're likely to lose most likely to lose the majority under Speaker Johnson

so what would the plan be if you could

get this

to pass I mean well first of all let me let me ask you

how many how many other Freedom caucus members are standing with you

well I think before Hakeem Jeffries came out for Speaker Johnson there were probably somewhere between 12 and 20 who didn't want to speak up but would have voted with this.

Now I think you may have maybe the entire Freedom Caucus.

We'll see.

I know people outside of the Freedom Caucus who said, if one Democrat votes to keep Mike Johnson, I ain't voting to keep him because they know what that means.

That means it's the uniparty.

Now, the first vote will be on a motion to table to try and prevent this from even coming up for an actual vote.

But people should understand that that motion to table, if they succeed, that is the only vote that will happen.

And then that is your list there.

Those are the people who saved Mike Johnson, which Hakeem Jeffries and all the Democratic leadership say they'll do it.

And some the Democrat rank and file.

And there are some Republicans who say they'll vote to table.

But that will be the vote.

Now, if we could succeed, okay, if we can get past that motion to table, and maybe Hakeem Jeffries has only 40 Democrats who are willing to walk the plank because I can imagine that's going to be tough for them in their primaries unless they're planning on retiring.

Can you imagine you saved the Christian speaker who is against abortion and all this other stuff and once this

anyways.

So I'm not sure how many votes Hakeem has, but I think he helped us grow our numbers.

Let's say we make it past that first vote and there is a motion to vacate and Mike Johnson is vacated.

At that point, who would we elect?

Well, we would like for Mike Johnson to avoid the scenario I just described, we're giving him a weekend to resign.

If he would announce that he's leaving like John Boehner did in 10 weeks and he won't be offended as we have votes to replace him while he's still the speaker, we could go without ever not having a speaker.

We could keep doing subpoenas in the Judiciary Committee.

We can hold hearings and we can pass all these wonderful little messaging bills that they love to pass.

But if that doesn't happen, we have to elect a speaker.

We'll be on the spot.

I think there are a dozen people in the GOP conference who have something in their prior life, whether it was political experience or private experience, that qualifies them for the job.

Mike Johnson is a lost ball in tall weeds.

I don't think there's some conspiracy where they've got his kids locked up in the basement or something like that.

I don't think they've got info on him or blackmail material.

I just don't think he can do the job and there's nothing in his life prepared him for it.

Let's find somebody who can, and hopefully that will inspire people to keep us in the majority, because even if Hakeem Jeffries bails Mike Johnson out next week, they're not going to bail him out in January.

We know he is a lame duck speaker.

Look, he knows it.

Let's get him out of there before he causes any more mischief.

What did McCarthy do better than Johnson?

Oh, that's a great question.

Under McCarthy, we did seven of the 12 bills.

Okay, there's 12 separate bills.

He said, we won't do an omnibus.

We'll do seven of the 12.

We got seven of the 12 done.

We had a thousand amendments.

I'm on the rules committee.

We got votes on a thousand amendments to allow rank and file members to participate in the legislative process.

When Mike Johnson came on board, he did two or three CRs.

He ignored the seven bills that we had done.

He made no effort to do the other five.

And he said, you're going to get a two-part omnibus.

That was the bad thing.

The second thing, well, Kevin McCarthy could have cut a deal with the Democrats and could have been speaker still now.

He said, I'm not going to do it.

That the position is not that important to me, that we will make a uniparty here and share power.

So that's another thing that Mike Johnson has expressed a willingness to do that Kevin wouldn't do.

And then finally, as a part of the debt limit deal this last summer, Kevin extracted

from Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer, this is signed into law, it's still law, that if you do a CR CR and it goes past April 30th, basically halfway through the fiscal year, there's a 1% cut to everything.

And Kevin secured that from Joe Biden.

Mike Johnson had had three choices on the spending bills when he came into office.

He could have either used the 1% cut option, he could have worked on the five other bills, or he could have done an omnibus.

He did the omnibus.

He actually should have done the 1% cut option that Kevin had secured at great, you know, and spent a lot of political capital on getting that provision in law.

So those are three things that Kevin did that Mike didn't.

And Kevin, you know, he put three of us on the rules committee that gave us a blocking position, Chip Roy, Ralph Norman, and myself.

And we used that for good.

We forced the 72-hour rule for the entire time Kevin was speaker.

That's another thing Mike Johnson threw out the window.

You don't get, you don't always get three days to read a bill now.

He's overriding his own rules committee, and he's going with Democrats to do it.

Do you think this was,

you know, I read someplace that, you know, this was planned from the beginning.

He's been lying in wait,

trying to pretend that he was part of the Freedom Caucus for years.

Do you believe that?

Yeah, you know, what really confused me is the readiness with which sort of the big spenders in Washington, D.C.

were accepted Mike Johnson as a valid speaker candidate after defeating Jim Jordan multiple times.

They found Jim Jordan unsuitable, but they found this junior member very suitable to the job who had no experience, you know, had never been a chairman, didn't have much staff.

And I think at that point, they got some assurance from Mike Johnson that he, or some feeling, that Mike Johnson would be a good guy to carry the water for the establishment here in D.C.

And that's exactly what he's done.

Well, Thomas,

when do you file?

This is Monday.

Probably what will happen is we'll file Monday.

Speaker Johnson, because it's a privileged resolution, the only thing that has higher privilege is motion to adjourn.

So he will have two days, two legislative days, to bring it up.

So if we file it on Monday, the vote will either be Monday immediately or Tuesday or Wednesday.

And if we file it on Tuesday, it would be either Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday would be the vote.

You don't believe that he's going to back away, though.

I mean, you put this, or Marjorie Taylor Greene did, she put this in line to be brought up as kind of a threat.

Hey, we're thinking about doing this.

Don't push us.

And he did it anyway.

That's right.

So he called the bluff, and we're calling the bluff, and we're going to have this vote.

What I hope, Glenn, is that our conference chair, our whip, and our majority floor leader would go to Mike Johnson, exhibit the leadership that we put them on that team to exhibit and say, Mike,

it's over.

It's just not worth what you're doing.

You're going and partnering with Hakeem Jeffries and the Minority Whip and the Minority Conference Chair.

We can't do that.

So I'd like to see them go convince Mike Johnson as a team, it's time for him to step aside.

He could still do that.

And I know, as improbable as it sounds and as resolved as Mike Johnson seems when he goes to the podium, that's exactly how John Boehner was until the five minutes he took to resign.

Thomas, I know we only got about a minute left, but if the concern is that

Johnson will work with Jeffries when he's put up against a wall and do these things,

if you go forward with this, you're making Johnson's political life dependent on Hakeem Jeffries saving him.

I mean, couldn't this potentially just make all of this worse?

It's very painful to expose this.

I think what we are illuminating, I don't think we're causing him to go in that direction.

We're illuminating what actually exists in Washington, D.C.

and why you don't get the results you want.

It's because he's already in league with Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, and Hakeem Jeffries.

And we're just illuminating what would be otherwise, I believe.

Thomas, God bless you.

Thank you for standing up for your principles.

Whether people agree or disagree with

you and your stance,

I will tell you that I have a lot of respect for somebody who will take the heat

because they won't sit down on their principles.

Thank you.

Well, thanks, Glenn.

And even people say this is a lost cause.

You shouldn't do it.

People didn't elect us to give up.

People elected us to try, and that's what we're doing.

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Things are changing all over the world.

Did you see what happened in Scotland this week?

I mean, I'm sure a lot of things happened in Scotland.

No, no.

remember when

the Scottish prime minister came out and said, white people suck.

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Yeah.

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Well, he just resigned.

That's big,

big news.

And

I think this is starting to happen all over the world.

But Scotland really has, I mean, we get a lot of our philosophy of freedom from Scotland.

It is the Scottish Enlightenment that really helped us become a nation.

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Keith Davidson is testifying about the hush money payments

on the Stormy Daniels case.

And the question, and the very important legal question, is, did Donald Trump

cheat on Melania?

And they don't know.

They don't know.

But I hope they get down to the bottom of that.

Oh, my.

Is that illegal?

Well, apparently apparently in New York, maybe if you're Donald Trump.

I mean, I just don't know.

Again, I mean, I don't think it's a good idea.

It would not be

a good moral choice, but

I don't think you can put him in jail for it,

at least in this day and age.

Neil Oliver is joining us.

He's an archaeologist and the host of the Neil Oliver podcast.

He is

probably my, well, I have another Scottish friend.

I was going to say

my only Scottish friend, but I've got two of them.

So, Neil, at any time, I could shake you loose.

Just, you never know.

Welcome to the program, my friend.

How are you?

Oh, good.

It's good to hear your voice.

I'm well, and I hope you are too.

I am.

I am.

So

the first minister,

he's just resigned.

He was in office for a year, and he was pushing, you know, the hate speech thing.

What happened there?

Well, in terms of the hate speech legislation, that has gone through, been enacted, become law in Scotland,

which was fascinating to watch.

As soon as the law went live, so to speak, on April Fool's Day of all days, but it was no joke,

the complaints, so to speak, started flooding into the police.

as everyone had predicted because it was such a vague

and

in the eye of the beholder type of legislation that it was predicted that anyone and everyone would find someone to make a complaint about.

I haven't kept track since the end of the first week, but they were running at something like 8,000 or 10,000 complaints.

People alleging hate crimes had been committed somewhere by someone about something.

So the wheels of the police were gummed up as a person might expect.

And if it goes at that rate, if that was to be a consistent flow, then by the end of a year the police would be dealing with, processing

as many hate crime bills as all other crimes likely to be reported to them

of every other sort.

I mean, did he put this through himself, or were there other brainiacs that were involved in this?

Well, it went through a lengthy consultation, as they say, about these things,

during which time many voices many sage advisors in the police in the judiciary all sorts of

institutions organizations

made representations saying this this will be this is a recipe for disaster

this will be

this will be manipulated and misused by bad actors by you know by people who want to make mischievous allegations about their next-door neighbours or or people that they're aware of whose opinions they disagree with All of those protests were made

by all sorts of legal minds, senior legal figures, senior establishment figures.

It was well predicted that there would be trouble.

But

nonetheless, as with many other matters,

the Scottish National Party, the leading administration in Scotland, led by Hamza Youssef, persevered and

got the bill enacted.

So it wasn't as though it came as a surprise.

Everyone predicted a dystopian disaster and that's what happened.

But there we are.

This is not unusual.

Not so very long ago the SNP

under Nicola Sturgeon at the time, the previous First Minister, attempted to install

a named person.

In their wisdom it was suggested that a named person it could be a it could be anyone, it could be a teacher,

it could be various categories of people would establish a relationship with every child in Scotland

from primary school age up.

Oh, that sounds good.

That child would be encouraged to confide in that person.

There would be no need to keep mum and dad informed that the conversations were taking place at all.

It was called the named persons bill.

The SNC attempted to foist that interloper, that slippery insinuation into every family in Scotland.

But it was eventually overturned by the highest court in the land.

It went all the way to the Supreme Court where it was treated.

Unbelievable.

I mean,

have you read 1984 recently?

Do you know, Glenn, I think as many people have, I have read it again, you know, only to, you know, to remind myself, I read it, I think, for the first time when I was at school.

Yeah, me too.

I've read it a couple of times since school because

I do enjoy it.

But, you know, as other people have said, it would appear it's good to be up to date with 1984 because a lot of the leaders of the West are treating it as an instruction manual rather than the dire warning it was supposed to be.

Yeah, it used to be something that we read in school, and you were, you know, when you were a teenager, you were like, okay, I get it.

You know, good story, but that's never going to happen.

Now it reads like the newspaper.

It's crazy.

It's absolutely.

Apart from anything else, it's the idea

that permeates throughout 1984, that of forever war.

You know, the inhabitants inhabitants of the world of 1984 exist where there's always war between East Asia, Eurasia, or Oceania.

And at any given moment, your home country, your home state is at war with one of the other two.

And

that facilitates the endless production of bullets and bombs and the rest of the paraphernalia of war.

It's crazy that it's Ocean Asia, which is NATO,

the

Atlantic, and Eurasia, which is, you know,

the Middle East, Russia, and China.

I mean, it's

exactly.

The precedence of 1984, and also what also

is throughout the novel, is the grey, hopeless, meaningless,

oppressed life of the general population

who live in a world of constant surveillance, never knowing if Big Brother is watching them or not.

And

fear of their own own children.

Fear of their own children.

Everything about it, as I say,

as others have commented, it would appear to be being used as the instruction manual for world leaders at the moment.

So, in London, and I think maybe in Ireland, I've heard calls for a caliphate.

Things are really crazy over here.

And in London, I mean,

the naturally born

Englishman is in the minority now, I believe, in London.

And we're seeing some serious problems over here with the Palestinian

uprisings.

What is it like in England, Scotland,

and Ireland?

Well,

it's it's absolutely.

I think when last I looked or when last I had figures, I think London was 54%

indigenous,

you know, white English population, immigrant, migrant, whatever,

new to the territory.

And throughout Europe, similar, the Low Countries, you know,

Amsterdam,

in Holland,

I think I'm right in saying that Brussels in Belgium is running at 70%

incomer population.

I think it stands a little bit ahead and shoulders above anybody else in that respect.

But

when I look on at that,

my big picture view of all of it is that

the populations of the world have been stirred up like a wasp's nest.

you know, like

a jam jar full of red ants that were that were just going about their red ant business.

But somebody picks up the jar and shakes it and then all hell breaks loose and all the ants start fighting and eating one another and all of the rest of it and

clearly the the people the peoples of the world are are being treated like pawns on a board at the moment and and and you know

people have been have been uprooted, derasinated, cut away from their roots all over the world, all over the east, all over the south, all over the west.

And people are on the move.

And

I find it deeply I find it deeply of course it's causing chaos, of course it's causing upheaval.

Indigenous populations all across the West are feeling are feeling overwhelmed, as they would, but everyone's being set at everyone else's throat, black against white against brown, Christian against Muslim against Jew.

And I mean I for one

uphold the feeling that in large part most people, most people of whatever colour and creed and whatever,

just want lives, just want lives somewhere safe that they can raise their children,

maybe improve their circumstances, maybe hand off to the next generation something better.

But

that natural human need,

that natural human urge

has been subverted and the jam jar has been shaken.

And as I say,

one group after another has been set at every other group's throat.

And, you know, we're being manipulated and we're being played like Stradivarius violins at the moment, Len.

I will tell you that, you know, there's this replacement theory that they talk about here, that white people are just afraid of being replaced by brown people and blah, blah, blah.

I don't have a problem.

I don't care what color.

I'm bothered that their culture is replacing our culture.

I like our culture.

We worked hard for the Western culture, and it's just being destroyed and being replaced.

There's a great threat.

There's a great threat because

I think many, it happens cyclically that enough generations exist in a time of peace and plenty and convenience that eventually a generation is born and

rises in those circumstances that believes that the ways of life that have been possible in the West are in the natural order of things, when in fact the civilization that has been known by a few generations of the peoples of the West

is vanishingly rare.

It never happened before, it may never happen again.

But a world in which supermarkets are full of food, the buses turn up at the appointed time, the streets are safe, the lights come on, the bins and the refuse are collected on a regular basis, that is not natural.

You know, you've only a person has only to look at the almost the totality of human history and to look around at the wider world in which we live now, to be bluntly reminded that what we have had in the West is unbelievably unlikely and that we were blessed with that civilization by our ancestors after all sorts of bloody strife is nothing less than miraculous.

But because the generation comes that thinks, oh well, you can take your hands off the wheel, you can read a book instead of looking out the windshield while you drive, that the car will stay on the road.

And of course, it doesn't.

And I'm not even sure entirely that it's just down to people being ignorant of the reality of what makes a civilization.

You know, there's a wonderful poem by the contemporary Greek poet C.

P.

Cavafe about the barbarians, a city that becomes aware that barbarians are close by and may invade the city.

And

the citizens of the safe city have actually become so bored, so jaded with their civilized status quo that when the act when news reaches them that the barbarians have just moved away and gone somewhere else, the citizens of the city are disappointed because the thought of the upheaval was something to be briefly excited about.

So I don't know which combination of realities we're actually living in, but there's no doubt that the civilization that has briefly flourished like a blossom on a cherry tree in the West is deeply imperiled

by, I don't know, by sloth,

by people not paying attention.

Neil, can you hang on for just about a minute or two?

Sure.

Okay, good.

Neil Oliver,

archaeologist, documentary filmmaker, historian, writer,

and really,

really came under attack because of COVID.

But now he has the Neil Oliver podcast, well worth your time to listen to.

Neil Oliver joins us in just a second.

Again, I have a question just about Russell Brand and see how

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Neil Oliver is with us from Scotland.

Neil,

Russell Brand was baptized, and I know you know Russell Brand.

How is this being perceived over in

the United Kingdom?

It's a very interesting question, Glenn.

Yes, my path crossed with Russell's during the whole COVID debacle, and we've got to know each other.

And I'm very fond of Russell.

I consider him a good friend, and we have a lot of fantastic and interesting conversations.

Yeah, he was baptized on Sunday, just passed, in the River Thames.

You've got to believe in God for that.

And

yeah, he's...

How has it been received?

Well,

many people are very, very supportive.

As am I.

You know, I consider myself a Christian.

I'm certainly a person of faith.

You know, of Russell going on that journey, and it is a journey.

And, you know,

taking that step from one life to the next, I find very encouraging, heartwarming, inspiring.

And I think that

response is shared by many, many people.

It's a lot of people.

There's criticism, people with issues with faith, with organized religion, and all of the rest of it.

Sorry, Neil, out of time, but thank you so much.