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Quite a program today.

We have Thomas Massey on talking a little bit about what's going to happen in Congress next week.

Agree or disagree, he is worth listening to on the reasons why he says that

our new Speaker of the House, ho, ho, he got to go.

He and Marjorie Taylor Greene are going to be doing that next week.

Need to listen to that.

Also, Neil Oliver is going to be talking to us about what's happening in Scotland with their new hate laws.

It's kind of hilarious.

And also Russell Brand and his baptism.

He's good friends with Russell Brand.

Stephen Hicks was on.

He is the philosophical or philosophy professor from Rockford University.

We continue on Alexander Dugan's dark definition of what modernity is and what he's really looking to do.

And of course, we start at our colleges and universities.

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Okay, I've got good news and I have good news.

Where do you want to start, Stu?

Good news, Glenn.

I'm a big positive optimist.

I was hoping you were going to say the other choice, good news.

So I disappointed you asking for good news.

Yeah, let me ask you.

Let me just read a thread to you, okay?

Today was a sad yet empowering day at Chapel Hill.

What was happening at Chapel Hill, North Carolina?

Campus.

I mean, probably, you know, basketball tryouts for next year.

When I walked to class, I saw a Palestinian flag raised on our quad flagpole and was

immediately upset that the act of these protesters had made.

I cannot say I'm totally educated on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Well, join the club.

Nobody protesting is really up on it either.

Isn't that like a rite of passage?

You must not know anything about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict before you walk on.

But it upset me that my country's flag was disrespected in order to advocate for another.

Shortly after, Chancellor Roberts came out with police officers to to hang the flag once again.

They were met with profanity, middle fingers, thrown bottles, rocks, and water.

Now, I don't know how you continue to be a student there if you're doing that.

I mean,

I know these universities want the money, but they're getting so many taxpayer dollars from us anyway.

They don't need the money.

I've been fascinated by the terminology.

These students that have broken into buildings and terrorized the campus may face suspension.

May.

May, I know.

Like,

it's auto-expulsion.

Yeah, they would just be like, hey, guys, wrap it up.

Go home.

Because

you're not a student here anymore.

Yeah.

Now you're just trespassing and you're not even a student.

Correct.

When the flag was raised once again, the Greek community began singing the national anthem.

As the chancellor left, the quad erupted into chaos.

No.

As protesters began removing the flag once again, preparing this time to destroy it.

My fraternity brothers and I ran over over to hold it up in order to not let it touch the ground.

People began throwing water bottles at us, rocks, sticks, calling us profane names.

We stood for an hour defending the flag so many fight to protect.

I mean, this is,

I mean, in an insane way, this is kind of like, you know, that generation's Iwo Jiba.

You know, where they're holding up the flag and they're being pelted with rocks and bottles.

My parents started a new life in the United States, a country that has helped them flourish and raise two kids.

I grew up in a military community, and I saw firsthand the sacrifices they will make.

I will not stand for the disrespect of these protesters.

Wait, wait, I will not stand for the disrespect these protesters

for the sake of another country.

My...

LDOC, whatever that is, L-D-O-C, will be memorable in knowing that my fraternity brothers and I fought fought to keep the flag up.

But also, it will be memorable in knowing that so many yearn to disrespect it.

Isn't that amazing?

Just amazing, I think.

Good news.

There are people on campuses that actually,

you know, don't like the disrespect and everything else that's going on.

I think that's good news.

Now, here's some more.

Here's some more good news.

These guys are discrediting the left so

rapidly.

80% of people are actually not for the Palestinian cause.

They're for the Israelis.

80% of Americans.

And

Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing everything they can to empower these guys and everything else.

It's not helping the Democrats.

Good news.

Let them burn themselves down.

Let them do it.

Because you get rare, rare moments of deep, deep satisfaction like this.

A clueless Columbia University protester who once worked for a lefty consulting firm hired by Bill de Blasio demanded Tuesday that

the school help get basic humanitarian aid such as food and water to the anti-Israel rioters illegally occupying the campus building.

Like, could you please, please, could you help people have a glass of water?

said the one woman.

Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill, even if they disagree with you?

Have you heard this audio?

You have to hear this back and forth.

We have it.

Let's play it.

This is clip one.

Why should the university be obligated to provide food to people who've taken over a building?

Well, first of all, we're saying that they're obligated to provide food to students who pay for a meal plan here.

But you mentioned that there was a request that food and water be brought in.

Unless I missed an audience.

To allow it to be brought in, I mean, well, I guess it's ultimately a question of what kind of community and obligation Columbia feels it has to its students.

Do you want students to die of dehydration and starvation or get severely ill, even if they disagree with you?

If the answer is no, then you should allow basic, I mean, it's crazy to say because we're on an Ivy League campus, but this is like basic humanitarian aid we're asking for.

Like, could people please have a glass of water?

But they did put themselves in that

very deliberately, in that situation and in that position.

So it seems like you're sort of saying, we want to be revolutionaries, we want to take up this building.

Now would you please bring us food for water?

Nobody's asking them to bring anything.

We're asking them to not violently stop us from bringing in basic humanitarian aid.

They're stopping the delivery of food?

We are looking for a commitment from them that they will not stop using it.

They're not even doing it.

They're not even doing it.

Well,

I don't know to what extent it has been attempted, but we're looking for a commitment.

I mean, that is, first of all, the reporters are fantastic.

You want to be revolutionaries and you want to take over a building, but then you also want them to bring you food.

Somebody bring my Xbox.

This is so

hard.

At night,

we don't have anything to play.

We don't have anything to do.

I want my blankie.

Now, I also really appreciated the guy with a half shirt.

Oh, yeah.

In the background, yeah.

Yeah, very nice.

Very nice.

I have the exact same shirt.

Do you?

Oh, yeah.

I look really good in it, too.

I love, too, that they make it.

You see how much of this stuff is fake.

Like, these people are sitting in a building.

None of them are going to die of dehydration.

It's impossible.

It would never happen.

If they got to a place where they got to the point where they were like, oh, well, God, they need medical attention.

They would come in and take them out.

and bring them to an ambulance and they would just get hydration.

Like there's no chance of them.

Before you even get to the blindness stage, all you have to do is walk outside, go to, you know, the ambulance or the medical tent.

You know, they said in, I can't remember which story it was, they were talking about campuses and how the campuses and the protesters have set up medical tents.

Now,

I don't think so.

I don't think that they, really, the protest, these protesters, bring us some water these people

you know before we do anything let's say make sure we have medical aid and let's have a tent and some paramedics there they didn't do that right who did it who did it who did it who did it and again these are young

healthy college students what the hell do they need a medical tent for when they all rape each other which is always how these things end is that is that what we're talking about after the rapes they want to to have.

Please, America, please, conservatives, just let this go.

Let it go.

Just let it keep building and building and building.

Let it keep building.

Oh.

You know, I'd like to, because I'm...

Just for entertainment purposes.

You know what my, oh, oh, please, for election purposes, too.

This is killing the Democrats.

This is killing the Democrats.

You want this?

Have at it.

You have the option.

It's right here for you.

If you'd like to have a society with no rules, no laws, no civilization.

I mean, look at the aftermath of these things.

They're destroying these places.

It's how every left-wing protest ends, right?

Garbage everywhere, victims everywhere.

I mean, it is a disgusting display that is so very typical of how these things go.

So, you know, it's really interesting.

If you look at the assassinations, you know, of presidents, always comes from one side.

Always really comes from one side.

You know, you have, well, Abraham Lincoln.

He certainly wasn't a Republican.

The assassin, you mean?

Yeah.

He was definitely not a Republican.

John Wilkes Booth.

Yes.

Not a big, he wasn't a MAGA guy, you don't think, at the time?

No.

And then you have Garfield.

Garfield was next.

Garfield was shot by one of his own supporters, the other president that that I don't even remember what his name is, McKinley.

He was shot by

a lefty, a communist.

Then who's next on the hit parade?

Well, then you have

John F.

Kennedy, who is shot either by the CIA

or by a lefty.

Then you have

RFK shot by a Palestinian.

Oh, I forgot the attempt on Harry Truman's life, which was two Palestinians that tried to shoot him.

Then Ford, you have Squeaky From.

Come on.

You think she was conservative?

Lots of conservatives named Squeaky.

Right.

Right.

John Hinckley, he was just nuts.

But almost all of them come from the left.

Almost all of them come from the left.

What do you expect?

This, this leftist movement is all about destruction.

I'm torn on your take here on this because while I agree

that it is fun to watch the left eat their own, that is an entertaining prospect.

No, I'm offering this as a political strategy.

I do worry about

long-term effects here.

I feel like we are...

going down a road that might not be easy to reverse.

And that's so I am a little concerned about that.

But

I would like the left to pay the price for this.

Why wouldn't I run in and rescue them?

The only thing, the only bad part about this is the damage that's being done to Jews.

That's what I mean.

This is a big part of this.

It's not just some silly climate protest, right?

Like we're talking about

a growing movement.

That is, and we have the polling, 20% of the population agrees with Hamas.

No, I know.

We are in a,

that's a really serious problem for a nation to have.

So I am concerned about it, but I also see what you're saying here, and it will be entertaining to watch them eat their own.

So they defaced a statue of George Washington at George Washington University.

They spray-painted genocidal, war-mongering university.

Now,

I don't know why you were attending that school if that's what you thought that school was.

You know, where are you going to go to school?

Well, I want to go to the genocidal warmongering one.

What?

Yeah.

Okay, well, you probably shouldn't be on campus.

But they covered it.

I think there are people that are actually going to the school.

I do think that there's a lot of these people that have nothing to do with the school.

Yeah,

these activists that you'd see at every other

mostly peaceful bonfire.

They

spray painted and they put stickers all over the statue of Washington And the genocidal free Palestine and the genocide, free Palestine.

The students united will never be divided.

I mean, unless you're a little rumbly and you're tumbly.

And

anti-fascist action.

Okay, right.

Oh, and then the pink stickers that read, rise, love,

resist.

Oh.

So inspiring.

I just love it.

That's why I really love that clip that we played just a minute ago is that this is such a playbook, right?

Like this is such a checklist of things to say and things to demand and stickers to put up and different protests to do.

Like she's asked these questions and she's saying like, well, what we need is basic humanitarian aid.

That's what you say like in Gaza.

Right.

It's it's you're not saying that at Columbia University in the middle of Manhattan.

Right.

Right.

Like that's not a legitimate, right?

A legitimate way of talking about what's going on here.

But they constantly say the exact same things because they have this playbook and they have this checklist and the media eats it up well if you're i mean if you're going to colombia according to the oppressor oppressed kind of uh you know uh battle you are the definition of the oppressor okay

you're the elite

so i don't know what you're i don't know what you're thinking about so weird and they all try to claim the opposite side of that you know this is the same thing that happened with Elon Omar's kid, you know, who came out and was saying she was homeless and starving.

It's like, your mom makes $200,000 a year just in Congress, let alone what she makes from Maroon 5 music videos.

God only knows.

So like, it's legitimately like, what on earth are we talking about here?

None of this makes any sense.

And the media keeps taking it seriously.

Luckily, these reporters at this one press conference stepped up and started asking basic questions that any human being would ask in this situation.

So wait a minute, well, you guys put yourself in there.

You can walk out at any moment.

There's a hot dog stand right there.

I think this is great.

And it leads me to a statement I never, ever, ever thought I would make.

Wow.

These people

make me like or have more respect for hippies.

Really?

Wow.

I mean, because you look at these guys and you're like, oh, no.

I mean, at least the hippies, you know, actually knew what they were standing for.

I mean, at least the hippies.

I mean, go back to the Weather Underground days, though.

I mean,

they weren't all so...

They weren't all the folks.

Those weren't hippies.

Those were Marxists.

Marxist hippies.

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Welcome back to the program, Professor Stephen Hicks.

How are you, sir?

Well, glad to be back.

Thanks for having me.

Thank you.

So yesterday we talked kind of about the political side of of

Alexander Dugan and why

he is dangerous.

Today I want to talk about

his mixing of religion and what he believes about the Russian Empire

and what he believes about the end of the world.

Yeah.

I think the first big question is going to be a philosophical question.

Now, he's a philosopher.

He's also a political strategist.

And the question always is when religion comes up is what does this person think the nature of religion is now clearly he's endorsing religion but to get inside his head there's always a question does he think the religion is true that his particular package of religion accurately is the way the world is there's a certain kind of god or gods and spiritual forces and they provide moral guidance and we need to take those into account in our personal lives and use them for for politics so does he think religion is a matter of truth?

And the second thing for many philosophers and political strategists is not that they think that religion is true, but they think that it is useful, that it pushes people's psychological buttons, that it's useful as a social pacifying, as a social

mobilizing force, and that the philosopher does not think that it's true per se, but that it's necessary or that it's pragmatically functional in order to achieve certain social and political ends.

So

there's a long history of philosophers and political strategists who are actually atheist or agnostic, but nonetheless, they are endorsing religion strongly.

Correct.

So I would put Dugan, I'm guessing Dugan is in the second category that he looks at it as useful.

I just don't get a sense that he actually buys into this stuff.

Or does it?

I think that's right.

Now, he was baptized in the Eastern or the Russian Orthodox Church when he was a child.

But when I read through Dugan and I listen to him, I don't get the sense that he is personally a true believer.

So I think that for him, it is a matter of saying for the Russians in particular, with their religious history.

and the on average low state of kind of

this sounds like an insult but the low state of intellectual accomplishment among the broad Russian masses.

And also the particular nature of Eastern Orthodox and Russian Orthodox in particular, of taking seriously the submission element and the unthinking obedience to higher authority, that that is baked into Russia's historical religious culture.

And so what one needs as a political strategist, if you're trying to mobilize all of Russia for a certain end, is going to be a certain kind of religion.

You can't just,

for example, say, hey, everybody,

be rational, be scientific, be technological, think of yourself as a free agent entrepreneur, and so forth.

That kind of ideology is not going to work for Russia.

So you need to use a certain kind of unifying force, and that's going to be a certain kind of

religion.

So I do think that primarily the religion for Gugin is pragmatic, not a matter matter of truth.

Now, when you say that, though, he seems to be a big proponent of the end of days.

Bring Jesus back.

Let's wash the world in blood.

Let's work with the Muslims and especially the Shiite dwelvers in Iran because they believe the same thing.

We can hasten the return of the promised one so we can get to work on a new world order.

Does he believe that?

And that also is partly outreach to Western advocates of, some Western advocates of religion, right, who find those themes attractive as well.

Now, at the same time, there are those who advocate religion because it's true, those who advocate it because it's pragmatic.

I think there's another element that's important for Dugan, and that I think is that religion often serves aesthetic functions, that people are not necessarily believing that it's true, but they like the idea of the occult, the mysterious, the slightly strange.

They like

kind of the astrological significance and all of the magic symbols and magic numbers.

And an important part of Dugan's personal history is that when he was in his 20s, he was extraordinarily attracted to and into all kinds of occult neo-pagan religions.

What a surprise.

Sorry?

What a surprise.

Well, right.

And so in this case, case,

almost always the attraction, again, is not truth or fun, but it's a deeply personal aesthetic.

They like the feeling of being in a certain kind of drama, a certain kind of conflict and imagining themselves.

So if you think about why we play the video games, why we go to the movies and we get swept up in

a world that we know is an artificial world, but we get the psychic aesthetic experience of being in this great drama of good guys versus bad guys.

The fate of the world is at stake, and literally in video games, you can blow the world up, or in Hollywood movies, the world can be blown up, or be on the brink of Armageddon.

And it's very, very exciting to you personally.

So it is.

Have you read Hitler's Monsters?

No.

Oh, you should.

You would love it.

It's all about it's deep, deep research.

It's more of a

much more of a scholarly read on all of the elements

that led to Hitler and that Hitler then used.

And

it's very reminiscent of what you were just saying about the mysticism and the cult and the darkness of it and this, the feeling that maybe there's extra magic powers out there.

Exactly, exactly.

So when when we turn to Dugan, I think it's got to be then a mix of those.

Personally, for him, he likes that world.

He likes the drama of it.

But at the same time, he's largely a clear-eyed geopolitical strategic philosopher as well.

And he recognizes the psychological and the social power that religion has and sees it as a necessary tool for his ambitions there.

So before we we go to his work in the Middle East, which I think is frightening, when he says that we are the great Satan,

we being the U.S.

or the U.S.

or the West more broadly, yes.

Is he just using that language to speak to

those who are religious in nature, or does he believe that?

No,

I think in that case, it's both.

For him personally, he does see liberalism, the West, and then if you scale out

the entire philosophical tradition that draws upon the Greek and Roman inheritance, he does think of that as false and as immoral.

But I do think when he uses the Satan language, it's slightly metaphorical for him personally.

But as a propaganda message, when you are trying to rally the troops, so to speak, to speak to the broad masses of Russians.

You are using language that they understand.

And those people are largely religious in a certain sort, and they understand the world in a great dualistic good versus evil struggle.

And it's useful for them to get them fired up to have the MB be identified, not just in abstract philosophical terms as sinful, as evil, as decadent, and so forth, but in more personalized terms.

They are the tool of Satan or the embodiment of Satan.

So let's go to his work in the Middle East and in particular Iran.

You know, I've watched the Twelvers, the people who believe in the Twelfth Imam's going to crawl out of a well and yada yada.

And many of the leaders

I know Mahmoud Ahmadinejad started every speech and ended every speech with, oh Allah, give me

the courage courage to hasten the return of the promised one.

That is exactly the language of Alexander Dugan.

What's the chicken and what's the egg, and what do they both have in common?

So you can approach this historically and say that all of the three great Western religions have a common source.

And that historically, this has been a recurring deep theme in all three of them, but it comes out in

differentiated forms.

So some Western Christians have it, some versions of Judaism have it, many versions of contemporary and historical Islam have it as well.

So

you use the chicken and

egg metaphor.

So what is the

another metaphor is this just to say, what is the historical mother load that is redounding down through the ages and Dugan is just currently tapping into it?

So what do they have in common, Russia and Iran?

Well, both have a common enemy.

So, the enemy of your enemy is your friend.

In this case, the Iranians will also say the West is the great

Satan.

It's enemy number one.

And Dugan, and from his Russian perspective, wants to say the same thing.

So, then you make a strategic decision right now.

Ethnically and religiously,

Iran and Russia are enemies, but what's the more important enemy?

And from both of their perspectives, the more important enemy is the West, economically, politically, culturally, and so forth.

So you're willing to overlook important ethnic differences and important religious differences to concentrate on the more pressing battle, which is to defeat the West right now.

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You've been saying a lot of things about Thomas Massey.

Some of true, some of false, but the one thing that is absolutely true, he stands on his own principles, and he is

unwavering in those principles.

He joins us now from the great state of Kentucky.

Republican Representative Thomas Massey.

Hello, Thomas.

How are you doing, Glenn?

I'm very good.

I'm very good.

I don't understand this whole Mike Johnson thing as

Speaker of the House.

I don't understand what happened to him, how we went so wrong.

You know, people are saying that, oh,

this has been a scam forever.

He's been a rhino and just in hiding.

And now, getting rid of him at this point, what good is that going to do?

Or even moving for this?

Because do you have the numbers to do it?

Great questions.

Let me talk about how we got to where we are.

So Mike Johnson has betrayed us three times,

big betrayals.

He did an omnibus bill that spends more than Nancy Pelosi's omnibus bills did, and he gave the FBI a brand new building in that omnibus bill.

And he didn't give us time to read it.

He gave up on doing 12 separate bills.

That was the first betrayal.

Second betrayal, FISA.

This is the spying program that's been used to surveil Americans without a warrant.

He cast the deciding vote on whether to have warrants or not, and he voted against warrants.

This is against what he stood for when he was on the judiciary committee that I serve on with Jim Jordan.

So something has changed there.

He said he spent time in a skiff that changed his mind.

Guess what, Glenn?

I don't know if your listeners know this.

I spent three and a half hours in the same SCIF with him, getting briefed by CIA, NSA, DOD, FBI, and DNI, and a FISA judge.

And in three and a half hours, they didn't give us a specific example, not one, of how spying on Americans without a warrant has helped them

stop terrorism.

They give hypotheticals, but no example.

So that was the second betrayal.

No warrants.

Now you can still be spied on.

It's reauthorized.

Third betrayal just happened.

This one we're still stinging from because you may have seen the videos of the every Democrat in the House voted for money for Ukraine and then premeditated passed out Ukrainian flags and we're all waving them and basically humiliating us.

And I think Speaker Johnson, if he's capable of having shame at this point, should have been humiliated by that display as well.

I put the video of that on Twitter and the sergeant-at-arms told me it would fine me $500 if I didn't take it down.

So I reposted it.

Because, look, you're not supposed to put video of what's happening on the floor, but that was video of things that were breaking decorum, right?

I was trying to provide evidence that they were in the wrong, and instead of prosecuting them, they came after me.

Of course.

Now, we got 8 million views on the video after I reposted it, and Speaker Johnson backed down on that fine because he knew how bad it looked.

So, third betrayal

was that Ukrainian vote where we send the money overseas.

We gave up all leverage on any border security.

It included some other bad stuff in it.

Let's talk about the $4 billion

to

help people from the Middle East immigrate here to the United States, including Palestinians.

You're nuts?

Yeah, and see, Mike Johnson's not going to stand up against that.

By the way, those three bills that I just mentioned to you, you know what happened when they went to the Senate after they passed the House?

Chuck Schumer didn't even change the punctuation of any of those bills.

He didn't want any amendments to them.

He wanted them exactly as Mike Johnson had delivered from the House because those were Chuck Schumer's bills that Mike Johnson put on the floor.

So he is already in the arms of the Uniparty.

The question that you rightfully ask is why do this?

Well, people are always asking me, Thomas,

can you show us, can you give us a list?

of the good guys and the bad guys.

Can you tell me who the good guys are?

Because I've got a primary, I got to vote in, I've got a general election.

Tell me the list.

This list, will you will have another list.

We keep doing this at great peril to ourselves.

The reason there's only a few of us who are willing to stand up and call this is because

you put your reputation on the line, and people here hate transparency, and they hate us for doing it.

But you'll have a list next week when the motion to vacate is called of who went with Hakeem Jeffries and the Uniparty to keep Mike Johnson in power.

Hakeem Jeffries, the reason he's supporting Mike Johnson, he got everything the Democrats want without any of the blowback by having Mike Johnson as speaker.

And they also, they have some plans for other things, like they may resettle Palestinian refugees in the United States and pay for it.

They may want to make the funding for Ukraine permanent.

And before our next election, there's going to be another CR or omnibus or something.

That deadline's September 30th.

So there's some people who are like, well, why would you do this now, Congressman Massey?

Hasn't all the bad stuff, hasn't Mike already done all the bad stuff to us?

Can't we just sit it out through the next election?

No, because what Hakeem Jeffries wants more than anything is to be the Speaker.

And the only way he becomes the Speaker is by getting the majority of the House in November.

And he knows Mike Johnson is the most uninspiring speaker we've ever had, who will not do anything to inspire a base and we're likely to lose, most likely to lose the majority under Speaker Johnson.

So, what would the plan be if you could

get this

to pass?

I mean, well, first of all, let me ask you:

how many other Freedom Caucus members are standing with you?

Well, I think before Hakeem Jeffries came out for Speaker Johnson, there were probably somewhere between 12 and 20 who didn't want to speak up but would have voted with this.

Now, I think you may have maybe the entire Freedom Caucus.

We'll see.

I know people outside of the Freedom Caucus who said, if one Democrat votes to keep Mike Johnson, I ain't voting to keep him because they know what that means.

That means it's the uniparty.

Now, the first vote will be on a motion to table to try and prevent this from even coming up for an actual vote.

But people should understand that that motion to table, if they succeed, that is the only vote that will happen.

And then that is your list there.

Those are the people who saved Mike Johnson, which Hakeem Jeffries and all the Democratic leadership say they'll do it.

And some, the Democrat rank and file.

There are some Republicans who say they'll vote to table.

But that will be the vote.

Now, if we could succeed, okay, if we can get past that motion to table, and maybe Hakeem Jeffries has only 40 Democrats who are willing to walk the plank.

Because I can imagine that's going to be tough for them in their primaries unless they're planning on retiring.

Can you imagine you saved the Christian speaker who is against abortion and all this other stuff and wants this?

Anyways, so I'm not sure how many votes Hakeem has, but I think he helped us grow our numbers.

Let's say we make it past that first vote and there is a motion to vacate and Mike Johnson is vacated.

At that point, who would we elect?

Well, we would like for Mike Johnson, to avoid the scenario I just described, we're giving him a weekend to resign.

If he would announce that he's leaving like John Boehner did in 10 weeks, and he won't be offended as we have votes to replace him while he's still the speaker, we could go without ever not having a speaker.

We could keep doing subpoenas in the Judiciary Committee.

We can hold hearings, and we can pass all these wonderful little messaging bills that they love to pass.

But if that doesn't happen, we have to elect a speaker.

We'll be on the spot.

I think there are a dozen people in the GOP conference who have something in their prior life, whether it was political experience or private experience that qualifies them for the job.

Mike Johnson is a lost ball in tall weeds.

I don't think there's some conspiracy where they've got his kids locked up in the basement or something like that.

Or I don't think they've got info on him or blackmail material.

I just don't think he can do the job and there's nothing in his life prepared him for it.

Let's find somebody who can.

And hopefully that'll inspire people to keep us in the majority because even if Hakeem Jeffries bails Mike Johnson out next week, they're not going to bail him out in January.

We know he is a lame duck speaker.

Look, he knows it.

Let's get him out of there before he causes any more mischief.

What did McCarthy do better than Johnson?

Oh, that's a great question.

Under McCarthy, we did seven of the 12 bills.

Okay, there's 12 separate bills.

He said, we won't do an omnibus.

We'll do seven of the 12.

We got seven of the 12 done.

We had a thousand amendments.

I'm on the rules committee.

We got votes on a thousand amendments to allow rank and file members to participate in the legislative process.

When Mike Johnson came on board, he did two or three CRs.

He ignored the seven bills that we had done.

He made no effort to do the other five.

And he said, you're going to get a two part omnibus.

That was the bad thing.

The second thing, well, Kevin McCarthy could have cut a deal with the Democrats and could have been Speaker still now.

He said, I'm not going to do it.

That the position is not that important to me, that we will make a uniparty here and share power.

So that's another thing that Mike Johnson has expressed a willingness to do that Kevin wouldn't do.

And then finally, as a part of the debt limit deal this last summer, Kevin extracted

from Joe Biden and Chuck Schumer, this is signed into law, it's still law, that if you do a CR, and it goes past April 30th, basically halfway through the fiscal year, there's a 1% cut to everything.

And Kevin secured that from Joe Biden.

Mike Johnson had three choices on the spending bills when he came into office.

He could have either used the 1% cut option, he could have worked on the five other bills, or he could have done an omnibus.

He did the omnibus.

He actually should have done the 1% cut option that Kevin had secured

at great, you know, and spent a lot of political capital on getting that.

provision in law.

So those are three things that Kevin did that Mike didn't.

And Kevin, you know, he put three of us on the rules committee that gave us a blocking position, Chip Roy Ralph Norman, and myself.

And we used that for good.

We forced the 72-hour rule for the entire time Kevin was speaker.

That's another thing Mike Johnson threw out the window.

You don't always get three days to read a bill now.

He's overriding his own rules committee, and he's going with Democrats to do it.

Do you think this was,

you know, I read someplace that, you know, this was planned from the beginning.

He's been lying in wait,

trying to pretend that he was part of the freedom caucus for years.

Do you believe that?

Yeah, you know, what really confused me is the readiness with which sort of the big spenders in Washington, D.C.

accepted Mike Johnson as a valid speaker candidate after defeating Jim Jordan multiple times.

They found Jim Jordan unsuitable, but they found this junior member very suitable to the job who had no experience, you know, had never been a chairman, didn't have much staff.

And I think at that point, they got some assurance from Mike Johnson that he or some feeling that Mike Johnson would be a good guy to carry the water for the establishment here in D.C.

And that's exactly what he's done.

Well, Thomas,

when do you file?

This is Monday?

Probably what will happen is we'll file Monday.

Speaker Johnson, because it's a privileged resolution, the only thing that has higher privilege is motion to adjourn.

So he will have two days, two legislative days to bring it up.

So if we file it on Monday, the vote will either be Monday immediately or Tuesday or Wednesday.

If we file it on Tuesday, it would be either Tuesday, Wednesday, or Thursday would be the vote.

You don't believe that he's going to

back away, though.

I mean, you put this, or Marjorie Taylor Greene did.

She put this in line to be brought up as kind of a threat.

Hey, we're thinking about doing this.

Don't push us.

And he did it anyway.

That's right.

So he called the bluff, and we're calling the bluff, and we're going to have this vote.

What I hope, Glenn, is that our conference chair, our whip, and our majority floor leader would go to Mike Johnson.

We exhibit the leadership that we put them on that team to exhibit and say, Mike.

It's over.

It's just not worth what you're doing.

You're going and partnering with Hakeem Jeffries and the minority whip and the minority conference chair.

We can't do that.

So I'd like to see them go convince Mike Johnson as a team it's time for him to step aside.

He could still do that.

And I know as improbable as it sounds and as resolved as Mike Johnson seems when he goes to the podium, that's exactly how John Boehner was until the five minutes he took to resign.

Thomas, I know we only got about a minute left, but if the concern is that

Johnson will work with Jeffries when when he's put up against a wall and do these things,

if you go forward with this, you're making Johnson's political life dependent on Hakeem Jeffries saving him.

I mean, couldn't this potentially just make all of this worse?

It's very painful to expose this.

I think what we are illuminating, I don't think we're causing him to go in that direction.

We're illuminating what actually exists in Washington, D.C.

and why you don't get the results you want.

It's because he's already in league with Chuck Schumer, Mitch McConnell, and Hakeem Jeffries.

And we're just illuminating what would be otherwise, I believe.

Thomas, God bless you.

Thank you for standing up for your principles.

Whether people agree or disagree with

you and your stance, I will tell you that I have a lot of respect for somebody who will take the heat

because they won't sit down on their principles.

Thank you.

Well, thanks, Glenn.

And even people say this is a lost cause.

You shouldn't do it.

People didn't elect us to give up.

People elected us to try, and that's what we're doing.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

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