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First, let me ask you, Stu, what do you think the big story of the day is?

I would say.

What's the big story we have to hit?

Columbia, maybe the occupation of Colombia.

You know, I mean, by the way, that was,

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No, definitely.

I did not hear that.

No, it wasn't even the darkest day in our history since, I don't know, Monday.

Right.

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Sarah,

I think we need the cannibal update.

Do we have the cannibal update music?

Because I have been very concerned about cannibalism ever since Joe Bryant and Biden brought it up.

And I thought,

it's cannibalism.

You know, we all thought it was over, but then again, we all thought the Soviet Union was over, right?

We thought that threat was over.

Cannibalism is real.

And it's on display.

And it involves,

well, let me show you.

Here is Nancy Pelosi involved in cannibalism on MSNBC.

And Joe Biden is doing that, created 9 million jobs in his term in office.

Donald Trump has the worst record of job loss of any president.

So we just have to make sure people know.

That was a global pandemic.

He had the worst record of any president.

We've had other concerns in our country.

If you want to be an apologist for Donald Trump, that may be your role, but it ain't mine.

And he hasn't.

And we know, but let me just say, as a Speaker of the House, we put forth a $3 trillion bill.

$3 trillion

of investment in communities and the rest.

And that simulates the economy.

I mean, now I don't know which one is in the pot here, which one's eating the other, but they are eating each other.

So cannibalism,

another update coming soon, because it seems to be going around now.

And that's a real problem.

Now, let's do go to Columbia because it was, what happened there yesterday was definitely not an insurrection, right, Stu?

Definitely not.

Nothing to see.

No insurrection there.

No, not at all.

That was just a protesters, Glenn.

Those are protesters peacefully protesting mostly

in favor of the rapists and murderers in Hamas.

That's all.

That's all that was.

Okay.

Okay.

Well, let me show you some things that happened.

This is in a library in Virginia.

I mean, listen to that noise.

The librarian, her head exploded immediately.

She was like, shh.

Riot police were there.

They stormed and took over the library at the Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond, Virginia.

And they continued to talk out loud, not in whispers.

And it was not good.

It was not good.

Here is from UCLA, a Jewish student.

that is being blocked from using the main entrance.

I have my ID right here.

I'm being blocked off, not by the security guard, but by you two.

You three.

Oh, look, they're making their burr.

Well, I'm going this way, excuse me.

This is what they do.

Everybody, look at this.

Look at this.

I'm a UCLA student.

I deserve to go here.

We pay tuition.

This is our school.

And they're not letting me walk in.

My class is over there.

I want to use that entrance.

Well, I can't take it.

Will you let me go in?

This could be over in a second.

Just let me and my friends go in to class.

We're not engaging in that disguise.

Then you can move.

Will you move?

We're not engaging in that, that's a game.

Okay, we're going.

I'm not engaging.

I'm going in.

I have my hands on.

I'm not hurting them.

I'm not hurting them.

That's what they do.

That's what they do, everybody.

You guys are promoting aggression.

You guys are promoting hate.

We're UCLA students.

We deserve to be there.

True, but he's forgotten all the microaggressions.

Stu, your thoughts?

Oh, well, I mean,

I think we should give an award to the security guard who stands there and does absolutely nothing and allows them to block this person's progress as he's trying to go to class.

That's just like, wow.

You know, he should get a Hamas award.

Congratulations to him.

I mean, that's

completely unbelievable that they're allowing this to go on.

And it's happening

campus after campus after campus.

Did you see the latest polls that Americans are for Israel?

I think it's like 80%, something like that.

For Israel.

I know.

I was talking to somebody, oh man, that's good to see because you do see in the media a lot of times it feels like, I don't know, this is like some close call.

And Americans are like, what is it, 75, 25

in favor of Israel over Hamas.

And I said, that's terrible.

75% of people, Israel over Hamas?

Not even like a hidden, oh, the Palestinian people or whatever they usually pitch.

No, this is the actual recognized terrorist group was used in the poll.

This should be 99 to 1.

75%

sucks for that poll.

I guess I've just been beaten down so far.

I'm just like.

Oh, that's good.

12 people in America are still for the Jews.

A little beaten down by it, you know?

Just a little bit.

Do you see what the University of Florida said yesterday?

That they're not going to tolerate it.

They are not a preschool.

You know the rules.

You break them.

You're out.

Boy, I can't imagine living in that

fascistic society of Florida.

Can you imagine that?

They hold you to the rules.

You sign, you know, when you sign up for school, you read the rule book.

You're breaking the rules, you're out.

Where everywhere else, they're negotiating with these people, you know?

And I just think negotiating with terrorists is such a smart idea.

It's so, it's, well, so today,

you know, so open-minded, so woke, so great.

So one of the students, one of the, I think it was Northwesterns, negotiated to have Palestinians,

you know, come up and speak on campus.

So they're going to get, they're going to get some, I don't know, Hamas members.

Why not?

I mean, they did it with the Nazis.

They literally did this exact exact same thing with the Nazis in the 1930s.

Why should we expect a different outcome?

It's the same kind of people, the same group of people.

They're fine with that.

Totally fine with that.

By the way, Spielberg is now doing propaganda for

Joe Biden.

I mean, no, he's not.

He's just,

he's looking into ways.

It's not propaganda.

He's looking in ways to enhance the president's message and help that message get out.

Like Nancy Pelosi just did.

I love that.

She was shocked when somebody in the media turned around and said, it was a pandemic, but that's what everybody says.

Play that again.

This is what everybody says to their television when they hear that stat.

Everybody says that.

And Joe Biden is doing that, created 9 million jobs in his term in office.

Donald Trump has the worst record of job loss of any president.

So we just have to make sure people know.

That was a global pandemic.

He had the worst record of any president.

We've had different concerns in our country.

If you want to be an apologist for Donald Trump, that may be your role, but it ain't mine.

And she doesn't have any real comeback for it.

No.

She has never been challenged on that.

She's literally stunned in that moment that someone will point out to her the most obvious thing in the world that every single voter understands.

And this is showing up in the polls like crazy that people don't even look at the pandemic as part of Trump's economy.

They don't judge it that way.

They look at it and they say, well, it was doing really well before this really terrible thing that happened.

Obviously, a lot of jobs were lost.

And obviously

the

American people want to come back to work after it was over.

And Biden's trying to take credit for all that.

And

the most fascinating part about this is if you're going to criticize Trump on his performance in the economy when it comes to the pandemic, you're going to hit him on the shutdowns, right?

Like he was in favor of the shutdowns early, which, okay, I think that's a fair criticism.

Certainly from the right, it's a fair criticism.

However, the Democrats supported every single one of those policies and tried to drag out the shutdowns for another year and a half after Trump stopped supporting them.

So there's absolutely no argument whatsoever.

Everybody knows, everyone remembers.

COVID-19.

Everyone remembers the period.

Everyone remembers being told they couldn't go to work anymore for a few months.

Everybody remembers this.

And the fact that they keep trying to pitch this is so insultingly stupid that Katie Tour can't even let it happen on MSNBC.

And she's called a Trump apologist for it.

Katie Tour.

She's not.

She's not a conservative.

No.

She's not even anywhere close to that.

She can't stand it.

She's Donald Trump.

She can't stand it.

She's just

barely even a word.

She's embarrassed by the point that Nancy Pelosi is making.

She feels that the internal pull to, she has to point it out.

It's such a stupid point.

And I feel like, I actually, Glenn, have a bit of sympathy for certain Democrats in these moments.

We're like, you know, Katie Tour, who's obviously no conservative, is like...

What do you mean, a Trump apologist?

Look at what I've, look at my record.

I've done nothing but bash Trump for years and years and years and years.

The same thing with Joe Biden.

He's being criticized as genocide Joe.

He's done so much to hurt the Jews.

Why are you, why are you, he's done so much to ruin their, their ability to kill terrorists and stop their people from being raped.

He's done so much.

He's contributed so much to this cause, and these protesters won't give him credit for it.

I think, I personally think that this is Genocide Joe is, it's better to call him Genocide Joe from our side than their side.

He's been funding the Iranians who wanted genocide on all the Jews.

I mean,

he is genocide, Joe.

They're just mixed up on who he wants to help kill.

By the way,

this is what you would call propaganda.

What happened on MSNBC with Nancy Pelosi is propaganda, and she was shocked that there was somebody supposedly on her side that would not play the game.

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I don't know if you saw the

OnlyFans star, Farah Khalidi.

Do we have the audio of her?

She was yesterday doing an interview, and she is,

you know, she's a big influencer on TikTok.

And here's what she talked about.

I started TikTok like the spring semester of my senior year, and I was like, f ⁇ , I finally have to start applying for law school.

And then, like, you know, female privilege, life is so easy for a woman.

Obviously, I lucked out.

I'm just kidding.

I lucked out.

And then, you know, TikTok was basically full-time for me.

The guy was taking ads by the time I graduated college from like the Biden administration and Planned Parenthood and like dating apps and stuff.

So it was like fully financially, you know, sustainable.

So you were getting the Biden administration was buying ads from you?

Yeah, I was doing full-on political propaganda.

And they would just, oh, really?

With like what kind of, like Biden created.

10 million jobs in Sergeant?

Yeah, honestly.

And the funny thing is they're like, do not disclose this is an ad because, you know, they're like, technically, it's not a product.

So you don't have to disclose it's an ad.

Because I think they just wanted like some

edgy girl of color to just tell people, like when, when they nominated like Katanji Brown Jackson, they're like, can you say like as a person of color, you know, that you feel reflected?

And it's like a white woman emailing this to me.

And she's like, giving me this script.

And I'm like, no.

And she's like, please.

And I'm like, no, I'll say, I'll like talk about the news of it, but I'm not going to be like, I'm not going to have a white person tell me to be like, you know, this is how I feel as a person of color.

Like, it's just so, I think that blackfilled me slightly on like, you know, political propaganda.

So the Biden administration sees, oh, here's this younger person.

Yeah, I mean, they use like a conduit.

It's not like, you know what I mean?

It's not Biden, but it's, um, it's like a, it's like a third party, you know what I mean?

It's like a media company that's doing it on his behalf.

I'm not blaming him for this.

Yeah.

And the message is like, because you're a dark-skinned woman, you will be inspired by Katanji Brown Jackson and all the kids should support her.

Yeah.

They're like, basically, as like another black person, just say that, like, you feel reflected by Katanji.

I'm like, no, I'll talk about like Katanji's background and her accomplishments, but like, I never, you know what I mean?

Like, I'll never, I'm not going to say like the corny stuff.

Even if it was a brown person emailing it to me, I'm like, no, that's not like how I feel.

Like, I don't look at like Katanji and feel like, wow, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what caught me there was it's not officially a product, so you don't have to disclose that it's an ad.

Uh, first of all, I don't know if that's true, by the way.

Yeah,

first of all, I don't think that's true.

Second of all,

notice that

she went along with it.

She said, well, yeah, but I'm not going to say the things they wanted me to say.

I'll talk about those things, but I'm not, well, no, you're still engaged in what you know to be propaganda.

And you were fine with that.

You know the reason why I always say this half hour brought you by or our sponsor this half hour or something like that?

Because I never ever want you to think that I am scamming you somehow or another, that one part of the conversation leads into something else, and sometimes it does, and it just happens to be a well-placed ad.

But I will always say,

this is a commercial, this is an ad, this is a sponsor,

because when that happens and you figure it out,

you feel betrayed.

I know this because I know I feel that way.

Oh, wait a minute.

How much of this thing was a damn commercial?

How much of it does he really believe and how much is he being paid for?

Well, in my case, I believe my sponsors.

I reject more than I accept.

How do people, I mean, you're on OnlyFans, so, you know, you're just like, get to it.

I don't really care.

But

does anybody feel betrayed?

Is anybody worried?

Where is the precious news media?

Can you imagine if I were doing that and Donald Trump, through surrogates, was paying me to talk about certain things that he had done

and then wanted me to say, you know, and I really feel validated by this.

I really do.

Because, you know, he likes white people.

And I'm a white person.

And so I really feel validated by that.

And I didn't tell you that he was paying me to say that.

It's grotesque for me to say that

even if he weren't paying me.

But if he's paying me and I don't tell you what

what is wrong with our country it's amazing if you can't trust far ha Khalidi

who can you trust who can you trust who can you trust well I mean what's the difference between what Steven Spielberg is now doing for the White House

Spielberg is now helping him orchestrate propaganda

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What is the difference?

Does nobody on the left care about the truth anymore?

Glenn Beck.

I think the average Democrat does care about the truth, but the left certainly doesn't.

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blessing the sacrament during his Mass.

He was stabbed by a Muslim man and stabbed in the face and in the eye.

We didn't know how he was faring.

We knew that he was going to recover shortly thereafter, but he is back at work.

Now, let me refresh your memory on who this guy is, and we welcome Pat Gray from Pat Gray Unleashed into the studio.

If you remember, this is the guy.

Well, play the incident because it was broadcast live.

Stabbed in the head.

Now,

they wanted this removed because it was causing people to look at the Islamic extremism and say, hey, this is a problem.

The government didn't want anything to do with that.

So they told the media, they told TikTok, they told

Facebook, Google, have it all removed, YouTube, have all of this removed.

Well, X wouldn't

because, you know, Elon Musk said, this is history, and you have a right to see this.

Well, the government came bearing down on him, listen to this from their prime minister.

Well, this guy is showing his arrogance.

He's a billionaire over there in the United States who thinks he's above Australian law.

And the idea that someone would go to court for the right to put up violent content on a platform shows how out of touch Mr.

Musk is.

Stop.

This is not violent content.

It is history.

It's history.

Now, listen to the senator from Australia saying the same thing about Elon Musk.

This isn't about freedom of speech.

No, no, no.

Next one's

Australians.

Do you have the next one?

The senator?

If not, no big deal.

Okay.

Now, Marmari, Bishop Marmari, has returned

and he gave his sermon, cut five.

Listen to this.

I say

to our beloved, the Australian government

and

our beloved Prime Minister, the Honourable Mr.

Albanese,

I believe in one thing,

and that is

the integrity

and the identity of the human being.

This is

my belief,

and this is, above all, my Christian belief.

For this human identity, this human integrity is a God-given gift, no one else.

Every human being

has the right

to the freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

Every human being.

The Buddhist has the right to express their belief.

The Hindus have the right to express their beliefs.

The Muslims have the right to express their beliefs.

The atheists have the right to express their beliefs.

Also, the Christians have the right to express their beliefs.

And for us to say

that free speech is dangerous,

that free speech cannot be possible in a democratic country,

I'm yet to fathom this.

I'm yet to fathom this.

We should be able as civilized human beings,

as intellectuals,

we should be able

to criticize,

to speak,

and maybe at some certain times we may sound or we may come across offensive to somewhat degree,

but we should be able to say, I should not worry for my life to be exposed to threat or to be taken away.

His sermons are so clear on what we're facing with good versus evil.

This is one of the reasons why they wanted this swept.

They don't want to make him even bigger than he already is in Australia

because he is saying the things that anybody who understands freedom believes in.

One last clip, and then I'd like to get Pat's thoughts on this.

One last, this is the first part of his sermon, cut four.

Listen to this.

I've said it before.

This message to the elders.

I'll say it again.

This young man who did this act

almost two weeks ago,

I say to you, my dear, you are my son.

And you will always be my son.

I will always pray for you.

I'll always wish you nothing but the best.

I pray that my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ of Nazareth

to enlighten your heart, enlighten your soul, your entire being, to realize, my dear, there is only one God who art in heaven, the creator of all mankind and everything else that is visible and invisible.

And I say with absolute love, confidence and humility that God is Jesus Christ of Nazareth.

Amen.

But you are my son my dear and the Lord knows it is coming from the bottom of my heart.

I'll always pray for you and for whoever was in this act

in the name of my Jesus I forgive you

I love you and I will always pray for you.

For me, it's

a priceless gift that I am not worthy of.

I pray the Lord accepts it.

That's what faith should be teaching all of us.

That's what our religion should be teaching us.

To stand up against unrighteous power, but also forgive those who hate you so much, they'll kill you.

That's a remarkable, remarkable man

in Australia.

Better Christian than I am.

I don't think two weeks later I'd be saying those same things.

I really don't.

I think I might be harboring a little bit of ill will still toward it.

It might take me a little longer than two weeks.

I don't know.

I have to tell you, I am always surprised at the number of people who,

you know, a drunk driver will kill their child or anything else.

And, you know, I would have a harder time with my children than with me.

I just, it would be so hard.

And I'm always amazed at those people, like the Amish, that the guy came in and slaughtered all of their children in school.

He was a milk truck driver, lived in town, walked in, lost his marbles, shot all of their children.

And while they were all gathered around the school, their bodies still being pulled out, the family, somebody said to the Amish, oh my gosh, his wife, we're not the only ones that lost somebody.

His wife and child are at home, probably scared to death.

And imagine being that woman standing in that house, knowing that your husband just killed all these Amish children, and you see coming up your sidewalk, all these Amish parents.

Okay.

She knocks on the door.

They knock on the door.

They open it up and said, you you are our sister.

We forgive your husband and you had nothing to do with this.

They not only forgive her and comfort her, but they refuse her,

you know, in a nice way, refuse her from leaving.

They say to her, you are now part of our family.

They rebuild part of her house.

I mean, it's amazing when people forgive.

Yeah, and the Bible tells you to be like Jesus.

Doesn't necessarily say it's going to be easy.

Like, do your best to kind of act like this guy.

Probably not going to be the piece of cake after you've been stabbed in the eyeball.

Right?

Yeah.

It is amazing that people can find that strength in those moments.

And maybe it's a hint to us when

we get a little annoyed at somebody online that maybe abandoning all of our principles to get the right retort in is not the right approach.

Let me play one more piece, and I want to talk about this later, maybe tomorrow.

But Russell Brand was baptized over the weekend.

Listen to what he said about his baptism.

As a person that has in the past taken many, many substances and always been disappointed with their inability to deliver the kind of tranquility and peace and even transcendence that I always felt I've been looking for, something occurred in the process of baptism that was incredible.

overwhelming literally overwhelming because i was obviously underwater and it was the river thames at some points so

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pat was the one who baptized me in in the waters and i felt exactly the same as russell brand and he's going to make mistakes just like i continue to make mistakes to this day um you're not uh

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but it is a powerful, powerful thing that changed my life, I think, overnight.

How long did it take you, Pat, to see the changes in me?

Oh, it was, yeah, it was definitely fast after your baptism.

Definitely fast.

And I know people back then that thought, oh, he's just doing this.

He's just trying to, you know, exactly what they're saying about Russell Brand.

The change in him has been astounding, though, hasn't it?

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And they said, just do a quick 20-minute interview.

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Yesterday, a video was released of an interview with Tucker Carlson and Alexander Dugan, a guy that I have said for years is one of, if not the, most dangerous man on the planet.

He is the architect of the

friendship now with Russia and Iran.

He is the architect of the Crimea invasion.

He is also a man who believes he can hasten the return of the

promised one, meaning let's get to

the apocalypse quickly.

He believes that capitalism is,

what did he say it was?

I want to get him exactly right.

Capitalism

is a virus, and he believes the United States of America is the Antichrist.

Now, none of that came up in the very short interview with Tucker Carlson.

Why?

Because Carlson was offered this interview, and if I were Tucker Carlson, I would have taken it as well.

And I would, it's very rare that you find somebody, very rare, that you find somebody who really knows who Alexander Dugan is.

He talks a great game.

I think

he has crystallized the problems

in such a fashion that even I will listen to him and go, yep, he's right.

Yep, he's right.

It's his solutions to the problem.

That's what Tucker did not get to because it was only a short 20-minute interview.

Dugan's very good at this.

So it is important before you watch this interview, or if you've already watched it, that you understand who Alexander Dugan is because this is a massive trap for Americans and freedom lovers all over the world and all over the West.

We're going to bring Stephen Hicks, Professor Stephen Hicks in.

He knows Alexander Dugan.

He is a professor of philosophy.

And Dugan says he's just a philosopher, but he's not.

He's a political strategist as well as

a philosopher and a dangerous man.

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It's always an honor to talk to him, Rockford University Philosophy Professor, Center for Ethics and Entrepreneurship Executive Director, Stephen Hicks.

Hello, Stephen.

How are you, sir?

I am very well.

Thanks for having me on again, Glenn.

You bet.

So I watched this interview, and I know that Tucker didn't know who he was, Alexander Dugan, because when he was over there,

I said, be careful.

if you're involved with Alexander Dugan.

And that, unfortunately, I said that right before he left.

So he had already done the interview and he said, not really sure about this guy.

And I don't think really had done his homework because it came up last minute.

But also, Dugan is hard to nail down if you just look at him on the surface.

Would you agree with that?

Well, sure.

TV interviewers will often underprepare and they don't necessarily have the philosophical and strategic depth to understand.

And as you were suggesting, Dugan is a slippery character.

At the same time, he is deep.

He is a philosopher as well as being a strategist.

But at the same time, I don't want to let someone like Tucker Carlson off the hook because we do have enough historical knowledge about the kinds of positions that Dugan is offering.

He is repackaging ideas and strategies that have been well worked over in the 20th century.

And so we should be up to speed on that.

And so I think partly what we need is a little philosophical upbrushing, but also some historical reminders of history repeating itself.

So let me play just a little bit of what he said to Tucker yesterday, and we'll start there.

Here's a clip from the Tucker-Carlson interview with Alexander Dugan.

And after the fall of the Soviet Union, there was only liberalism.

And Francis Fukuyama has pointed out correctly that

there are no more any ideologies except of liberalism.

And liberalism, that was liberation of this individual from any kind of collective identity.

There were only two

collective identities to liberate from.

Gender identity, because it is collective identity.

You are man or woman collectively, so you couldn't live alone.

So

liberation from gender, and that has led to transgenders, to LGBT and new form of sexual individualism.

So

sex is

something optional.

And that was not just

deviation of liberalism, that was necessarily elements of implementation and the victory of this liberal ideology.

And the last step that is not yet

totally made is liberation from human identity, humanity optional.

And when now we are choosing of you in the West,

you are choosing the sex you want as you want.

And the last step in this process of liberalism, implementation of liberalism, will mean precisely the

human optional.

So you can choose your individual identity to be human, not to be human.

And that has a name: transhumanism, post-humanism,

singularity, artificial intelligence,

Klaus Schwab, Kurzweil or Harare, they openly declare that is the inevitable future of humanity.

So we arrive to the historical terminal station that we finally, five centuries ago,

we have embarked in this train and now we are arriving at the last station.

So what he's saying here is that liberalism, meaning the classic liberalism where you're an individual, it's not collective, et cetera, et cetera, he says the inevitable end is progressivism and then some dystopian future.

But I don't think that's right.

I'd love to hear from you.

Liberalism doesn't lead to progressivism.

Marxism leads to progressivism.

Yeah.

The first half of the Dugan clip, I think, is correct.

The second half is a massive equivocation.

I think philosophically he should know better.

I think he's doing some

tactical rhetoric against the West in talking about the transgenderism.

So let's take those two in part.

So first part is fall of the Soviet Union.

I think Dugan is exactly right that what played out in the 20th century left only some sort of liberalism standing in the field.

The 20th century was a huge ideological battle.

I think Dugan's analysis is correct.

That's the kind of analysis I've argued and many other people have argued as well.

The 20th century was about some sort of liberalism versus some sort of fascism or national socialism versus some sort of Marxist communism.

We fought world wars, we fought Cold Wars, we fought many

trench warfare ideological wars as well.

What happened was fascism was defeated, national socialism was defeated, and by 1991 Marxist communism was defeated.

And so what seemed to be almost inevitable, I don't want to use the inevitability language, but was that some sort of liberal democracy, capitalism, individualism, modernity was triumphant.

So I think that part is exactly right.

Now, where I think Dugan goes wrong is in

what happens next.

My view is that what happened was that liberalism took a breather.

We've been fighting wars, ideological and actual wars, for over a century.

We let our guard down, we relax, we kind of thought everybody is going to get on board, and some sort of liberal, democratic, capitalist, but modern future is slowly then going to prevail over the next generation.

Now, what actually happened, though, was that the fascists, the national socialists, the authoritarians, the communists, the Marxists of various sorts did not simply go away and give up the fight.

Instead, they started to repackage themselves.

And then inside the now triumphant West, there were counter-movements that started to reassert themselves.

And then we started to see then by the time we get to 2010, 2015 or so, that those counter Western movements inside the West are reasserting themselves and everybody starts to become aware of them.

And the particularly nasty forms of transgenderism, and I think there is a legitimate version of transgenderism that

reasonable and sensitive people will take aware of, but weaponized transgenderism of the particularly vibrant form that we're sometimes dealing with, that is a different phenomenon.

So the second part then is what Dugan wants to do is to say, and this is the part that you are picking up on, that

the relativism, the angry

activism, the willingness to let everything burn inside the West that we're now confronting with,

the virulent forms of Islamism that we we are now confronting and so on, the total package of anti-Western, anti-liberalisms, where did those come from?

Now, I agree, those are pathological, they are very destructive, but what Dugan is offering is a thesis that says that those anti-liberalisms are themselves an outgrowth of liberalism, and that I think is simply false.

So,

when he says, you know, an end to modernity and liberalism, he's actually, I mean, one of the first things I found about Dugan that opened my eyes was his statement that

fascism

with Mussolini.

Mussolini, he says, was a very brave person, as was Hitler,

but it didn't work, but they understood that international communism was not good.

So they went for national communism or socialism, which became fascist.

And he said where the two of them went wrong was they offered too many compromises.

He said the future.

Yeah, the future is fascism without compromise.

That's a little terrifying.

Yeah, so this is 1990s Dugan in the first decade after the fall of the Soviet Union.

And he's a strange character at this point.

He's already

adopted various forms of Nazism in the 1980s.

And at this point,

he's not a young man.

He's in his late 20s.

He's in his early 30s.

So he's a mature thinker.

He hates liberalism already.

He hates modernity.

He hates the West in its entirety.

At the same time, he's dissatisfied with a lot of what's going on

in the Soviet Union, its version of communism and Marxism.

When the Soviet Union falls, though, he is co-founder of a national Bolshevik party.

And the Bolsheviks, of course, were Lenin, Stalin, Trotsky, and so on.

So it's a reworking of a kind of communist Marxism, but the nationalism is important there for him.

And he then, within a few years, settles on saying what we need to do is just rework fascism.

So he is widely and explicitly admiring of Mussolini

and some of the German fascists of the 1920s and early 1930s.

And he publishes an article in 1997 called Fascism, Borderless and Red.

The red part means blood, it means a little bit of incorporation of Marxism.

That's going to be a bloody, violent revolution that we need.

And the borderless part is also there, that we need to expand Russia's border.

We need to be expansionist.

What we need is a kind of national socialism.

And he takes the socialism seriously, economic control.

But it's not going to be a socialism where we take, so to speak, the Russian people and we make them fit into some abstract socialist template.

This is the fascist part.

We need to take the Russian people, its particular ethnic identity, including its religion, its cultures, its traditions.

See it as having a world historical destiny.

It's going to lead the world to a new, bright future that's not going to be

trapped in the old Marxist way.

And as you're suggesting, it's going to learn from the failures of the earlier versions of fascism and national socialism.

And what that is going to involve is a willing to be muscular, a willing to be violent, a willing to take ethnicity and nationalism seriously, and not to compromise one jot with capitalism, with any form of Western liberalism.

So, yes, that's that's Dugan by the time we get to the late 1990s.

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So, Stephen, are you saying that in the 1990s that's who he was, but he has rejected, or

he has just enhanced this in his way of calling it the fourth political theory?

Yeah, fourth political theory published that in 2009.

So, he's now in his 40s.

There is a slight evolution.

So, he starts to abjure the fascist label.

Fascism has had terrible press, deservedly so.

So, he wants to back away a little from the label, but

in fact, he absorbs still 95% of the

fascist principles and reworks them with a different label.

So what happens by the time we get to the fourth political theory is that he adds officially fascism to the list of failed theories.

He thinks liberalism is immoral, disgusting.

We need to defeat it.

Communism has failed.

Fascism has failed, but he wants to evolve in a couple of directions.

One direction is that fascism is explicitly nationalistic.

So it's going to be a kind of a collective authoritarianism for the Italian people taking in Mussolini's form.

So taking the ethnicity of Italians, their religion, their language, their traditions and so forth, as somehow special, and that you are part of a collective identity by being an Italian person.

You're not an individual.

You absorb yourself into that ethnicity with the leadership on top, the authoritarian leadership that Mussolini is going to provide.

So

that is ethnic in the German case.

It's a combination of ethnicity.

The German ethnicity is special, but there's also a materialistic racial component that

the Germans, and they go back and forth between saying, we are racist versus we are ethnic.

And what Guggen is clear is to say that he's not a materialist.

He's going to offer a more spiritual, philosophical, metaphysical understanding of what it is to be the right kind of person, the right kind of collective.

And it has to be ethnic.

So he abjures any sort of racialist language more explicitly by the time we get to the 90s.

But he's still collective and so forth.

Now, the other thing is that...

In fact, hang on just a second.

Let me just throw this quote in before you leave collective.

He said, quote, we propose the theory that every human identity is acceptable and justified except for

that of the individual and individualism.

Liberalism must be defeated and destroyed, and the individual must be thrown off his pedestal, end quote.

Yeah, exactly right.

So it's the Western liberals, right, who are individualistic.

We believe

every individual has the rights to life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, control your own conscience,

freedom of religion, and so forth.

All of those individualistic elements, Dugan is rejecting.

And he's rejecting them, agreeing with the theorists of fascism, the theorists of National Socialism, and the updated versions that he is in favor of

for Russia.

Now, if you reject individualism, though, the question is, what group forms your identity properly?

Now, it's true in 2009, in the quotation that you just read,

he's pretty open to saying there are lots of different group identities that are possible and legitimate.

And so there's a direct connection to all of the identity politics that's floating around in Western Circle right now.

Should it be your racial identity?

Should it be your gender identity?

Should it be your religious identity?

Should it be your ethnic identity?

And so forth.

And he's open to any form of groupism or collectivism at that point, as long as it's not valorizing the individual at all.

Individual.

So I want to come back because he is very attractive on some of the things that he says

because he's diagnosing one particular problem

that I think is real.

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Yesterday,

an interview that Tucker Carlson did while he was in Russia was released.

It was about 20 minutes.

And I applaud everyone for having a conversation.

Tucker has said many times: it's important to see and understand how our adversaries view us.

Well,

that wasn't clear in this.

He just diagnosed a problem as Alexander Dugan always does, and enough to open a door to people, have people say, oh, well, I think I might agree with that.

It is really important.

What Tucker has begun, we have to now continue that conversation so people on our side will not fall victim to this guy.

They talked about how his books, people want his books to be banned.

I don't.

I want you to read him in his own words.

There will be stuff at the beginning of the book, you'll go, yeah, yeah, he knows me.

And then by the time you're at the end of the book, you're like, this is a horror show, literally a horror show.

But you should read him.

Jefferson, when we went into our first foreign war, which was against the Muslim pirates, insisted that everybody read the Koran.

If you really want to understand the absurdity of it all, he said, you need to read this in their own words

now let's get let's get down to it one of the things that he says Stephen Hicks is with us one of the things he says Stephen

a lot of the time

is about this this feeling of nationalism and I

people in the press don't get it they think Brexit

was an evil thing and people that people were extremists.

No, there are people in Norway, there are people in

Italy, there are people in Greece and

in Great Britain that are proud of their country and should be proud of their country.

And when you say, don't fly your flag, fly instead the European Union flag, that's not who they are.

And they feel like they're being snuffed out, just like Americans now feel, that our culture is under attack.

Our history, our very existence, and what we've always stood for is being wiped out.

And people can be against that without being haters.

But he zeroes in on that

and

says the collective state image is really important.

And I think that's where he begins to connect with people, and then people don't look any further.

Do you agree with any of that, Stephen?

Well, nationalism is a term that needs some careful delineation, and often it gets packaged with all sorts of unsavory stuff and that's partly what Dugan is doing.

It's one thing to say we need to have an authoritarian bureaucratic regime centered in Brussels or the European Union or the United Nations or something like that.

And that's going to trample over regional differences, national differences, ethnic differences, and turn us all into kind of homogeneous robots of some sort.

It's fine to be against that.

And to see that as a kind of foil.

At the same time, nationalism sometimes just means, you know, I happen to have been born in a certain ethnicity within a certain nation, and because I was born here, I'm just unthinkingly getting my identity and my allegiance to whatever my particular government does as well.

I think both of those are inappropriate ways to use nationalism.

So the issue of nations is

to me, I think it's a secondary or even a tertiary issue about what level of political organization we should have in place, how much should things should be local at the state or regional level, how much at the national, international level, and so on.

So

it's an issue of kind of

appropriate bureaucratic and administrative governance.

But the important content issue is what is the purpose of your governance?

And it's one thing to say, I live in a nation that takes takes individuals and their freedoms and their rights very seriously.

And we have a government that exists to protect individuals in their freedoms and

their property rights and so forth.

And because I live in a nation that is striving for that moral set of principles, I'm proud of my nation.

And that kind of patriotism or nationalism or identification with your country, I think, is

perfectly appropriate.

There are some nations that are much better on that, and some nations that are much worse on that.

At the same time, there are lots of levels of organization that should be international.

So, we should be able to trade with people in different parts of the world.

We should have

business agreements and so forth that are international.

And any sort of my nation is going to block off access to your nation and so forth, I think that is inappropriate.

So, sorting out what is

properly protecting the rights and freedoms of individuals.

And sometimes that's going to be at a national level, and sometimes that's going to be more open and international.

That's something that political scientists need to work out.

Now, what Dugan, though, is doing is wanting to say it's not at all about the individual, it's not about liberties at all.

That's what the quotation you earlier alluded to is all about.

He does see it as collective entities that are organized at the ethnic level.

For the most part of his career, he thought the nation-state was the right level of analysis and that the different collective national identities are at war with each other, or at least at conflict with each other.

And so one needs to be willing to enter into that fray and be violent with respect to other nations to put up borders to try to sabotage them in various ways.

Now that kind of nationalism, right, takes him back to the fascism, takes him back to

the national socialism, and it takes him back even to some versions of Marxist communism, where they wanted to argue that it was our nation, where the Marxist revolution is going to have to happen first, and we are in a bloody conflict with all of the other nations that are more capitalist and democratic and so forth.

And then only after we have succeeded at making the Marxist revolution in this one nation can we start thinking about being more broadly, broadly internationalist.

Now, Dubin, though, I think the nationalism for him is partly tactical because one of the things that he has been doing in the last 10 years, maybe 15 years now, is broadening and no longer just seeing that Russia in some sense has a special ethnic identity, that it is the world historical nation that's going to lead us to a bright and better future.

He started to talk more

like a pan-Eurasianist, that the right level of analysis is not Russia as a nation, but more broadly, the Eurasian continent and all of its constituent peoples.

So there we start to see him thinking more in terms of empire, the old Russian empire.

And of course, Russia will have a special place at that.

But you see him in his rhetoric and in his arguments not wanting to

say that it's Russia, say, against the Ukrainians or Russia against the Kazakh

nation and so forth.

That he wants to reincorporate all of them into a pan-Eurasian empire.

And that's going to be the right level of analysis.

That's what will be pitted against the Western liberal alliance.

So that is,

when I heard the first Tucker interview with Putin, I thought that's what he was going for.

That's what Putin was going for.

He was setting the stage for, well, we're actually much bigger than what everybody thinks of.

And he's setting the stage for a restoration of the,

not the Soviet, but the imperial Russian Empire, right?

So

there is one thing, and Stephen,

we're so blessed to have you for 45 minutes.

I don't know if you have time tomorrow to do another session with us because the next part of Dugan is

where it goes way off the rails and gets even more terrifying than fascism without compromise.

And that is his religious

angles that he puts on top of it, where he says the United States is the Antichrist, and we can hate

the great Satan, that we are,

that

we need to kind of hasten the apocalypse because it just won't happen on its own.

And the world, I mean, this sounds like a Twelver

from

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in a world that we only saw before

modernity.

No, absolutely.

Putin's use of religion and Dugin's ideological understanding of religion and strategizing about religion, certainly worth another 45 minutes.

So we can plan that if you want.

Oh, I'd love to.

Love to.

Thank you.

Stephen, thank you so much for everything you do, and thanks for making this easy to understand.

Would you agree that Dugan, if

you know, he's the guy behind Crimea, he's really the kind of the guy connecting Russia to Iran.

And his philosophy,

if it actually takes root in the West,

that I think he's one of the most dangerous men in the world.

Would you agree with that?

Well, yeah, I think philosophers are often underrated.

We can see John Locke's importance to the American revolutionaries,

Rousseau's importance to the French revolutionaries, Marx's importance, and so on.

So this is a little crystal ball gazing, but yes, Dugan is a clear, inspirational writer.

I don't know what level of access he has to Dugan's inner circle and so forth, but when you are speaking to thousands and millions of alert, aspirational

ideological people, philosophers like Dugan can have an outsized impact.

So it's really important that we get them right and understand exactly what we're up against.

It's amazing.

I feel a little like the Germans have never understood.

How could you possibly read Mein Kampf and not know?

I mean, you knew he said it.

But I think

it's human nature to say, oh, well, he didn't mean that part, or he'll never get that done.

And we've done that with even COVID.

I was on the air four or six weeks before it hit America saying, look at what's happening in China.

That would never happen here.

And pretty much it did.

So when we can't underestimate liberalism and modernity in the West, one of our great weaknesses is, in fact, that we are sometimes naive and sometimes benevolent and willing to give people the benefit of the doubt when they make it clear they don't deserve it.

So tomorrow we'll have you back, same time, Stephen.

And I want to concentrate on

what his definition of modernity is, because

if it is what I think it is, that is

pre-enlightenment kind of modernity,

kind of going back into some of the Dark Ages stuff, and his religious beliefs, his connections

to

kind of a Christian nationalism, if you will, in a very, very dark way.

Okay, perfect.

So we'll

see you tomorrow then.

Same time.

Thank you very much.

Stephen Hicks,

always great to have him on.

He has a deep understanding of who Alexander Dugan is.

If you watch that episode from Tucker, which I highly recommend, if you watch that, know that you're getting the soft side of Alexander Dugan.

That is his opening pitch.

And there are people in America that follow him,

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Quite honestly, Steve Bannon, I think, is one of them.

And that's what makes Steve Bannon so dangerous.

He is using some of his philosophies and buying into some of those philosophies.

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This hour, we're going to talk a little bit about NPR's CEO.

Christopher Ruffo came out and said,

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Because she would be

a very important tool in the hands of the government, and she's being paid by national public radio.

So she is a tool of the government in many ways.

Can she separate herself

from her own personal beliefs?

Or is that even wanted at NPR?

We wanted to bring in Joe McKinnon.

Joe is a Blaze News staff writer, and he has been following up on this.

Joe, take us from the beginning

from

the whistleblower, if you will, all the way to Christopher Ruffo, and then let's pick it up from there.

So can you tell us the beginning of it, Joe?

Absolutely.

Thanks for having me on.

So Yuri Berliner, earlier this month, has this damning expose

in the free press, April 9th.

He goes after Ampere after having worked there for a quarter of a century as a senior business editor.

He suggests that there's zero viewpoint diversity, particularly after John Lansing, the former CEO, had made it an activist organization and then allied it effectively with the Democratic Party.

This is a publication, according to Berliner, that didn't want to cover the Hunter Biden laptop story, that worked with Adam Schiff to push the Russian collusion hoax.

So he goes to town on NPR and draws the ire of someone who's not been on a lot of people's radar, and that's Catherine Mayer, or Meyer, I should say.

So Meyer comes up with this long response and effectively cusses him out.

with some more charitable terms and

subsequently Berliner is suspended and then he resigns.

So people start looking into Meyer after this because she was with Wikipedia before but I guess you know flew under the radar for a lot particularly on the right or

those among those who are critical of the government.

And at first blush she looks just like another shrill leftist.

She has the obligatory photo wearing the Biden campaign hat, and she has an unhealthy obsession with race.

And so that photo exists, and the tweets speak for themselves.

But you keep digging, as Rufo has, and you realize really quickly that there is something more going on here.

From 30,000 feet, she looks like not just a tech-savvy media queen, but someone who spent a lot of time around color evolutions in the Orient.

Enough to know how they might be replicated.

Okay, so hang on just a second.

Campuses and boardrooms are full of leftists,

But you're saying and Christopher Ruffo saying, she is not your ordinary leftist.

She's been around color revolutions.

What does that mean she's been around color revolutions?

Okay, so

well, one of the many interesting posts she's had, and I I should note at the

outset here that she's a World Economic Forum, World Global Leader.

She's worked with the W World Bank.

She's worked with various NGOs that are in the tech, comms, and

well, foreign policy space.

So around 2010, 2011, and Rufo chronicled her travel itinerary, she's with the National Democratic Institute.

And that's a spin-off of the National Endowment for Democracy, committed to, yeah, exactly, well, you know where I'm going with this.

This is an organization that tries to transition unwilling regimes to become liberal democracies.

Can I redefine that a little bit?

It's a CIA front.

Well, Mike Benz, he was in the Trump administration at the State Department.

He said exactly that.

He said it's a carve-out for the CIA.

And other people

have said just as much.

In fact,

I think it was Ron Dixon at the New York Times back when he said the NDI was actively fomenting protests during the so-called Arab Spring.

So, and by the way, these aren't just

we know this.

I exposed that when we were at Fox.

We've known that from the beginning.

It didn't take a brain surgeon to figure this out.

Then, when you go into Ukraine and see what they were doing and the phrases that they were using, saying, you know,

we can spread this now.

We kind of perfected it in the Middle East and we can spread it.

And that's exactly what we were doing in Ukraine.

Well, precisely.

Ukraine, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Tunisia.

And so she's kind of got a pilgrimage to these toppled regimes,

in some cases, as they're falling.

So Rufo notes that she goes to Tunisia a couple of times.

She goes to Gazientep in southern Turkey just as rebels are making inroads along the highway between Damascus and I believe it was Aleppo.

And she actually said not long ago that she, well, she framed the timing differently, but she said in the aftermath of the revolutions, she was doing research on the ground with quote-unquote human rights activists and independent journalists.

And so she's with the NDI, she's going to Tunisia, and

she raised a couple alarm bells.

So there's this Tunisian cabinet official, and,

well, he basically

didn't intimate.

He straight out said it's a likely case that she works for a certain three-letter agency.

And,

you know, a lot of people have been speculating about that in recent weeks.

So

what is her background in broadcast and news?

Well,

she deals a lot with comms.

In terms of news, she's been critical of the ways that governments have weaponized their state broadcasters, which I think is rich, granted.

Right.

Yeah, progressively.

She does work.

Yes.

But what is she I mean, does she have a background in news?

Is she a journalist?

Is she w I mean, why is she qual I see that she's traveled the world, that she's with the World Bank and the WEF and she's been with NGOs and she's been around revolutions, but that doesn't necessarily scream CEO of NPR.

Well, I think Wikimedia and Wikipedia, which she ran the show for for several years, she demonstrated

her bona fide.

And it was under her reign

that it quickly became clear that this was

well, it's supposed to be a repository for human knowledge, right?

I know

recently you talked about how memory is the key to who we are.

Well,

Wikipedia is instrumental to capturing and curating that memory for a lot of people.

So she might not be a journalist, but she was very much

well, I don't want to suggest there's a causation, but she pretends that, you know, the Wikipedia editors are working on their own.

But while she's in control, there's very much a narrative curation going on, the kind that you might want at taxpayer-funded state broadcasts.

Jeez.

Okay.

So the rumor that she's with CIA, where did that originate?

So I mentioned she went to Tunisia a couple of times, right?

Okay.

So this cabinet official is named Slim Amamu.

I think I'm pronouncing that right.

But Slim says in 2016 that it's a bit of a retrospective.

He's looking back.

And I believe it was around the time that she is getting a promotion over at Wikipedia.

He straight up says she's probably CIA.

He's not mincing words.

He says

she's come over under different affiliations with the NDI, with World Bank, with USAID.

And he suggests, and this is going on at Twitter at the time,

still called that.

He suggests that she might as well have had CIA written on her front.

And so Slim was in the transitional government.

He dropped out to protest protest so-called censorship.

And he, you know, not entirely the top of the food chain, but someone you might at least want to hear out.

And so she is prickled by the suggestion.

She responds saying,

I'm no sort of agent.

You can dislike me, but please don't defame me.

But then, you know, that brought even more scrutiny because people took notice of the way she framed that response.

So Christina Peshawar, she's on the Santa's team.

She noted, for instance, okay, well, you may not have been an agent, but you could just as well have been an asset.

But the CIA element, I think, you know, I haven't seen any incontrovertible proof.

It's also largely immaterial because she's actually directly worked with the Biden administration.

She's worked with and brushed shoulders with all these regime change groups.

So whether or not she has CAA on a card somewhere tucked in to her desk,

she might as well have been.

And this is part of the group that, I mean, Hillary Clinton in that infamous clip where she said, we came, we saw he died, and laughed about it.

I think who she was talking to at the time might have been Samantha Power,

who is, you know, Cass Sunstein's wife, the author of Nudge and somebody who knows how to nudge people into new positions.

But Sam now works at USAID.

She's the head of USAID.

So

if you have the head of NPR also working with Samantha Power at USAID, that is also a CIA

front.

No, absolutely.

And I think it was...

It was Michael Waller and the Rufo piece.

He's a national security analyst.

And he said he drew that same connection with Power

and

intimated that Meyer is part of this revolutionary vanguard movement.

So, you know, they're all in bed together

by the looks of it, I should say.

A little bit of distance because I don't want to mean tweet.

But

then you couple this with her public comments.

And then it lends even more gravity to this,

well, her becoming the head of NPR, which was

announced.

Give me some of her public comments that I may not know.

Okay, well,

I did a little bit of a deep dive.

A lot of these already are circulating,

but they're all troubling.

So,

for instance, in a 2021 interview, and this one has caught a lot of people's attention in recent days, she described the First Amendment as the top challenge in the fight against disinformation.

So, it's a challenge.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right.

It's a challenge because, quote,

it's a little bit tricky to really address some of the real challenges of where does bad information come from and sort of the influence peddlers who have made a real market economy around it.

And by the way, when she's talking about disinformation, she means skepticism of COVID-19 vaccines, which I note

in the lead up to the show, there was mentioned that AstraZeneca just admitted that has a devastating impact.

Well, no, so that's disinformation, according to the former head of Wikipedia.

Also climate alarmism, that's a no-fly for her.

So at an Atlantic Council 2021 event, she says Wikipedia isn't a free expression platform.

And so

a lot of people are wondering why.

And she suggests

it's really about creating content that people can have confidence in, that they can use to make determinations in their lives.

And so that right to have access to high integrity content often sort of trumps the right to free speech.

Now, pair that with the fact that she suggests straight out in a TED talk that, quote, our reverence for the truth might be a distraction that's getting in the way of finding common ground in getting things done.

So I don't know who that common ground belongs to, by the way, but it certainly isn't free people.

Yeah, yeah, that's fantastic.

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So, we're talking to Joe McKinnon, who has written extensively for the Blaze News.

You can go to Blaze.com and find his work on NPR's CEO, who is looking to be far worse than what anybody thought she was.

We just thought she was a crazy liberal or progressive,

but she seems to be possibly much more than that, including possibly working with the CIA.

But she spent a lot of time around color revolutions.

We'll talk about that coming up in the next break.

But I just wanted to ask you, Joe, before you go, what is the impact, if this is true, that she could have with NPR at her disposal?

NPR has long been a joke.

It's ineffective.

Its

viewership has dwindled immensely.

She is shrewd.

She is effective.

This is an individual who had people believing that cultural Marxism is a far-right conspiracy theory when she was running Wikipedia.

And

all the insights she has gleaned when she was doing her, again, pilgrimage of fallen states, and her understanding that capture of a state broadcaster could ultimately mean capture of the state, means that NPR is a weapon in her hands, potentially a weapon in her hands.

There's over a thousand stations broadcasting.

It's NPR programming.

There's thousands of employees, a bunch of bureaus across the country.

Now, I don't think they're going to do business as usual.

In fact, she's telegraphed that there's going to be a transformation behind the scenes.

NPR was already a leftist propaganda outlet.

Now, I think it's going to be used

to foment, or at the very least, control

the protest and to at least least have the power to weaponize various groups across the nation.

You send your marching orders essentially out via NPR.

So, Wikipedia, and I'm surprised she left Wikipedia honestly because I think that's the more consequential place.

But Wikipedia controls the past

and therefore

can control the future.

I think NPR, under her helm,

I think the aim anyway is controlling the present.

Joseph McKinnon from TheBlaze.com.

Thank you so much.

We're going to go a little deeper in this direction and really talk about color revolution in just a minute.

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He is also my head writer for television, head researcher for all of my programs.

And he joins me now because we are talking about the CEO of NPR, possibly in position to

work

in an organized way.

to foment a color revolution.

And if you don't know what a color revolution is, Jason, can you explain quickly what that is and then I'll go through the pillars?

Color revolutions revolutions usually happen around elections in other countries.

Yeah, typically always like after an election, usually, or just before an election is when it's fomented.

But that's when all of a sudden you'll see like what are supposedly grassroots movements.

I use that in quote air quotes there that spontaneously show up and they'll use the turmoil that's happening around them to force regime change.

Okay.

So we've gone over this many, many times because it is apparent that, at least to me, that that is really what is being prepared here in America.

And they really tried this out with other countries and perfected it.

And I think they're using it now on us.

The former ambassador to Russia under Barack Obama was Michael McFall,

and he came up with the seven...

pillars of color revolution, the seven steps needed to incite the type of revolution used to up and the European countries and the countries in the Middle East.

And

this is our deal.

And a lot of the same people that were involved in coming up with this and executing it in the Middle East are now in positions of power.

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seven

pillars to pull this off.

The first thing is you need the presence of a semi-autocratic regime.

It can't be a full dictatorship.

It's got to be semi.

It provides the

opportunity to use propaganda and to paint whoever it is you want to paint as a fascist.

Now, they never did that to Donald Trump.

I don't ever remember them calling him a fascist or a Nazi or Hitler or anything like that.

But they use that with a guy who is powerful and say he's the next Hitler.

Number two, appearance of an unpopular president or incumbent leader.

This is created through manipulative propaganda and information and psychological warfare.

We know

we have the document showing that our government is involved in cognitive warfare on the American people.

So you've got a president and the media through propaganda just keeps making him look worse and worse and worse.

Look at the trials that are going on.

Then you also need the third pillar is a united and organized opposition.

Antifa, the Palestinians,

BLM.

Then you need a compliant media to push all of these narratives and at the right time the voter fraud narrative.

Have you noticed that the media is again, you couldn't question it before,

but they pushed it last time that Trump was going to steal the election, and they're pushing it again this time that Trump is trying to steal the election.

Five

or sorry, six, political opposition organization able to mobilize thousands to millions in the streets.

Do we have that?

Yes.

And then seven is division among the military and the police.

They both have to be

in some sort of chaos.

So you can swing some of them your way.

Well, this is exactly what we are

looking at in the United States.

And that is the way we have toppled regimes all over the world.

They're all called color revolutions.

And I believe that is what we are facing now,

that there is a source inside of our own government, which makes it much, much worse, that is using all of these pillars as assets to flip the United States of America.

Did I miss anything there, Jason?

Oh, man.

We could go on for four hours just going through some of the shows that we were pointing out.

I think it was back in around 2020 when we were first talking about this.

I don't even know where to begin.

It's interesting that you talked about cognitive warfare because that was brought out in the Twitter files.

I think it was Michael Schellenberger's people who released a lot of that, and they had direct quotes from the people within the government or the people the government were contracting

to go after misinformation and disinformation and silence them on social media.

Some of the quotes said, I cannot believe we're doing what we did in foreign countries to foreign adversaries now to the American people.

They were shocked about it, but they were just kind of joking about it.

I mean, this is what you're describing

is pretty much something that started off as something called Civil Society 2.0.

That was a State Department initiative under Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton to physically go out to some of these places that they identify and teach activists activists how to use media and information to manipulate the masses.

It's amazing.

In Ukraine, we have the videotape of the State Department actually going out and doing those classes to foment revolution.

It's incredible.

It's like they weren't hiding it at all in Ukraine.

Absolutely not.

No,

they bragged about it.

They called them something called tech camps

that started going out.

I think it was around 2009.

Now, this is where it gets even crazier, Glenn.

So in 2010, about three or four months before the official start date of the Arab Spring, President Obama issued a presidential study directive.

It was presidential study directive 11.

To this day,

you cannot read it.

It is still classified after all these years.

We begged the Trump administration to declassify that, and it just fell on deaf ears.

And it is really important.

Really important.

If you read the description, the only thing is like a four-word description.

And the only thing that it says is like political reform or political, yeah, I think it was political reform in the Middle East and Northern Africa.

Again, like three or four months before the Arab Spring.

The Arab Spring kicks off.

These tech camps and civil society 2.0 start popping up all over Northern Africa and the Middle East.

What do you have?

Not only that, but we were training some of them, some of these NGOs and activists here in the United States.

We were training them here in the United States.

Then they go back to their countries.

People like this NPR chick,

Mar,

apparently, allegedly, sounds like she was one of them that was kind of checking up on this.

I don't know that for certain, but it sounds like it.

So one of the things, once you have the seven pillars, there are steps that you have to take and see if you think any of these are happening or have happened.

You have to consolidate media control

and you have to weaponize it.

Done.

You then have to suppress and remove religion.

The next thing you have to do is make sure you have control of the educational system to indoctrinate the children on the revolution and on your ideology to be able to overthrow.

The next thing is criminal justice overhaul.

Criminals go free while law-abiding citizens are arrested and charged with crimes.

I mean, come on.

Serious?

I mean,

how do you say we're not doing a color revolution?

This just happens to be the list that we're doing, and it also happens to be the list of the color revolution steps, but it's not happening here in America.

Definitely not.

Yeah.

It's insane.

Doing those types of things in other locations that they see are ripe to, again, control masses, to get the form of government they want.

Then you see certain things like, you know, the Biden administration paying TikTokers and other social media, you know, people to

basically drive the narrative in the direction the regime wants them to.

I mean, that's exactly.

civil society 2.0 and tech camps.

Exactly to the T.

And then you get something like, you know, if this is true about NPR, I mean, it doesn't get any bigger as far as the amount of people that you can, you know, manipulate.

People trust NPR.

Like, people for a while were like, oh, they were both sides.

You know, like, I can listen to NPR.

Sure, there's a lot of lefty stuff in there, but, you know, it's government funded.

I mean, obviously,

I would not agree that

they're not biased, but I mean, many people would.

So if they're directing the narrative in a certain way, again, that is exactly what was happening in foreign governments.

But now.

So what makes them different or why is this?

I mean, Catherine Meyer, she's the CEO of NPR.

And if she is that player, what makes her and NPR more dangerous than MSNBC and CNN, who are all just going along with it anyway?

I mean, I would put it on the same level as CNN, maybe, because again, CNN was considered like a,

used to be considered, you know,

an even broker, neutral.

Yeah.

MSNBC, I would say, is not on that level because MSNBC, they don't even try to hide it.

You know, they are what they are.

They're biased.

Okay, whatever.

But if you're going through like NPR or if you're going through random

influencers on social media,

you don't know that they're biased.

It's just the common will of the people, right?

You start to get a narrative of this is the direction the country is going in.

This is how we should think.

This is what we should do.

And that's when it starts getting really dangerous when you have millions of people going in that direction, but it's all a facade.

It's all being orchestrated at the top to make people think a certain way.

It really is a genius strategy that they devised.

Again, supposedly, or supposed to go in other foreign countries.

But now, is that what's happening here?

I mean, the case you laid out makes it sound like it's exactly what's happening here.

Another thing of interest, the guy that wrote that, The Seven Pillars, the Michael McFall,

he was never a diplomat.

He just kind of struggled into the Obama administration.

He was a Stanford academic and then suddenly got the most prestigious job in the entire State Department, the ambassador to Russia in Moscow.

And then, when he was asked right when he first showed up by a Russian journalist, like, what are your qualifications?

He's like, well, you know, basically, and I'm paraphrasing.

I don't really, you know, I don't really follow that diplomat stuff, but I'm an expert on democracy and quote, revolution.

Okay.

So, um,

Jason, we have done so many shows on this.

And as always, we will hit something and we'll drill down into it.

And we'll always say, oh, what a surprise.

Look at who we found.

And it's the same circle of people over and over again.

I would love for you to maybe post

online or at Glennbeck.com the links to all of the shows that we explained all of this and

showed it in real time, showed what was happening at the time.

Because

I think this fall, if we're not careful, is the color revolution in America.

I hope not, but

there's a good possibility of it happening.

Yeah, I would definitely advise to re-watch at least two shows I can think of off the top of my head.

We have actual video of the people that were pushing this during color revolutions happening in both Eastern Europe and the Middle East.

It is wild.

And I was just watching another one just now.

I'm like, oh my gosh.

It's just like you said,

everything that we were talking about in the past, we'll get a new personality that pops up out of nowhere, like this one right here, that pretty much solidifies what we were talking about.

I mean, how far will this go?

I don't know.

Yeah.

Let's see if we can post some of this stuff on X.

There's a lot of stuff going on that's that's really important.

The Alexander Dugan, we just spent an hour with Stephen Hicks.

We're going to do part two of that tomorrow.

Critically important.

Tucker Carlson opened the door for a conversation on him, and he's somebody I've been talking about for about 10 years, very dangerous.

And so we have to make sure that we explain to everybody exactly who he is and what he wants.

And

the next thing is the color revolution.

So maybe you can organize some

things on X and on Glenbeck.com.

Jason, thank you.

Thanks.

Appreciate it.

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Well, there was a time where we had two political sides of the argument and people would just discuss them and try to win on the basis of persuasion of voters.

That's over.

We're now throwing our political opponents in prison, and that's the way this works.

That's at least part of it.

The other part of it is the left has really made an industry of lately, which is lawfare.

Lawyers for Hunter Biden now plan to sue Fox News imminently, according to a letter set to the network and obtained by NBC News.

The amazing part about this is forever Hunter Biden denied that it was his laptop, or at least never acknowledged that it was his laptop.

And

he's suing basically saying, well, you put these private images from my laptop on your network.

This is an incredible, incredible way to go.

By the way, he's looks like he uh has signed up Mark Garagos to uh to represent him, the guy, if I remember right, who represented Michael Jackson uh back in the day.

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