Ep 211 | Dr. Phil's WARNING for Parents & His Advice for Trump's Legal Team | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Vill,

nice to have you here.

Thanks for having me.

And I mean that in two ways, too.

Nice to have you in the studio, but also nice to have you in Texas.

Well, I'm glad to be back.

You know, we're from here.

I used to live in Las Calinas, and

that's where the studio is.

Yeah.

Right here.

Yeah, right here.

So I've actually recorded a couple of audio books in this building.

Really?

Yeah, a long time ago, right by the front door there.

Really?

Yeah,

it's changed a lot.

It was the old Paramount lot, and I bought it about 10 years ago, and we've changed it a lot.

So it's good to have you back.

Well, you've done more than change it a lot.

You've really built this thing up.

It's amazing what you've done here.

I was in it when it was...

more warehouse than studio.

Yeah.

So you've really turned this into a broadcast center.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, it's the this studio is the largest studio in the Americas that's in daily TV production.

Yeah.

It's

pretty amazing.

Anyway,

I have

watched you for years,

but I think you're changing a great deal.

Reading the book, We've Got Issues.

Holy cow, this is not the Dr.

Phil.

I mean, it is and it isn't.

It's not the the Dr.

Phil that I know.

Yeah, you said it right.

It is and it isn't.

I mean, it's the same, it's the same kind of common sense, shoot from the hip.

But I highlighted a few things I just want to go through because this is,

well,

let me just read this.

You said at the very, very beginning that you have been doing this for a very long time

and you've been listening to people who have problems relationship but you noticed something change what was it

well

you know it's been a process really and you have to understand

having been doing this for 25 years or a little more actually spending the time I did on Oprah and then I started my own show in 2002

and

I didn't really think about it until I sat down and started timelining timelining this out, Glenn.

But in 2002,

the first text message hadn't been sent.

There were no text messages.

We weren't at all digital.

So

along about

06, 07,

we started to get much more into the Internet.

And then 08, 09,

it was like a...

bunch of C-130s flew over and dropped smartphones on everybody.

And that's when I saw as big a change in our society as has happened in my lifetime for sure.

I think as big a change to mankind as has happened since the Industrial Revolution.

I mean, think about it.

We are walking around with as much computing power in our hand as we had when we did the moonshot.

And that changed everything.

Yeah, and especially with what's coming,

they say that the last 400 years,

all of the changes in the last 400 years will now be compressed between right now and 2030, 2035.

Man is not geared for that.

I mean, we are animals and our instincts, everything comes from millions of years of experience.

We're not ready for this.

And it's showing because

if you look particularly at our young people who immerse themselves in this technology, we're seeing the highest levels of anxiety, depression, loneliness, suicidality among our young people starting in 09, 010, right after we had all of this technology boom, that have been recorded, the highest levels that have been recorded since they started keeping records for that sort of thing.

Our young people stopped living their lives and started watching people live their lives and comparing themselves to that.

But the problem was they're comparing themselves to fictional lives.

These aren't real lives.

These influencers over there,

I've had them on the show that have said, look,

I shoot a video with all these fancy clothes and saying, okay, I'm in a rush.

I'm going to the NBA All-Star Game.

And you say, as soon as the video is over, I carefully take those clothes off because I don't own them.

I have to take them back to the store because I just brought them home.

Now, I don't have the money for for those, so I take them back.

I put on my sweats and get on the couch.

I'm not going to the NBA All-Star Game.

So kids watch this and say, by comparison, what a loser am I.

I mean, I'm not, I don't have that life.

So their self-esteem goes down, their self-worth goes down.

By comparison, they get anxious and depressed.

And they're comparing themselves to this fantasy life that doesn't even exist.

We have a place out in Santa Monica where they have a fake fuselage to a private jet that rents out for 15 minutes at a time, where these influencers go in and pretend they're on a private jet going to

Cabo or going to Aspen.

They put on their ski clothes and say, oh, off to Aspen.

They'll go in and shoot a whole year's worth of content, changing clothes from beach to ski to whatever.

Unbelievable.

And publish all of that.

And kids compare themselves to that and say, I don't ever go anywhere.

Neither do they.

They went over to Santa Monica and shot all this phony content and put it out on the internet like they're some kind of rock star.

Unbelievable.

You know, when I first got into radio and then later television,

it took, it was hard work to curate an audience, to know who you were, and then to create and curate an audience.

Now my audience has an audience.

Yes.

And everything that people used to say about, oh, he's only saying that because he wants to get rich, or he's only saying that because he wants, you know, people to watch him.

No, you can't be, you can't be who you are or I am for very long if you're fake, I think.

Well, let's snip it out in a hurry.

But the people in the audience now who have their own audience, that is what they're doing.

And they don't recognize it.

And people,

they're just, I don't know, it's like we are in some sort of weird nightmare.

We are, and it doesn't last very long.

But the problem is, there's one standing there to take their place as soon as they're gone.

They'll get 100,000 followers, maybe they'll get 500,000, but they flame out in a short period of time, but then there's the next one coming right behind them.

I was looking at some stats today,

and

it's something like 60%

of Gen Z, 25 and under, that say they would rather be an influencer than a doctor, a lawyer, an architect, whatever.

They would rather do that.

And they honestly think that's going to work.

They don't understand how difficult it is to monetize that content, how difficult it is to make that content.

They just think, I'll just put stuff up and get money.

So when the iPhone first came out and I noticed everybody started doing this,

down,

I said, we are running the biggest experiment on humankind that is ever.

We don't know

what's going to happen.

We're just seeing, here everybody, completely change your life with this.

And people thought that was crazy at the time because, you know, it does bring a lot of...

connection.

It was amazing when you could actually see somebody on the other side of the world that was just an individual telling you what was going on.

So

is it this bad experiment that we're running?

Or

is it that and the combination of really bad actors

that are using, knowingly using this and creating such dystopian

It's at so many different levels.

And look, obviously there are great advantages to this technology, right?

You know, some kids don't even know what a library is.

And if you happen to be listening, it's a big building with books in it.

Wait, what's a book?

Yeah, exactly.

Now, just think how much information we have at fingertip.

You got to check and make sure that it's not wrong information.

But even the stuff that we, because we're digital now, I just read this:

that

information in our libraries that's solid, but the digital information can easily be manipulated and some of it is.

You look for things that you know you saw.

You know it was on the line.

It's gone.

So even real reality is being edited.

Yeah, and it's going to get worse, not better.

This AI,

and

I've seen myself in ads for products,

and it's me.

I mean, I look at it, it's a deep fake.

It looks like me, it sounds like me, and I'm peddling a product I've never seen or heard of.

And we send cease and desist letters.

It just passes on to somebody else.

They just shut that down and open up a new entity, and they're right back at it again.

It's like stomping ants at a picnic.

I mean,

you can't get rid of them as fast as they pop back up.

But obviously there are huge positives to this.

But you ask,

is it bad actors?

There are

huge bad actors at every level.

I deal with women that get caught up in these romance scams.

I've had them that they've worked their whole life.

Husband passes away, they get a million-dollar insurance policy, they've worked their whole whole life, saved up $300,000, $400,000,

and it's all gone in six weeks.

Some Nigerian in some workroom that's got 30 or 40 of them up on their computer connects with them, steals somebody's identity, and they've got a playbook.

We actually got a copy of their playbook, and they start scamming these women and take them for every penny they're worth.

So there are bad actors in that regard.

And then we've got bad actors, I think, in terms of who's running the algorithms.

Yeah,

you talk about that.

Is that scary?

That is really frightening.

I wrote a book a long time ago about AI

and talked about don't fear the technology per se.

Fear the people who are writing the algorithms because we don't know their motivation.

We may never know who they were.

But you wrote

while you're getting fed highly curated, highly filtered information, you aren't getting other information.

And you talk about how you're not even in charge anymore.

Explain.

Well, the thing is, we'll have a feed.

You open up Instagram or TikTok or whatever, and it starts, you start scrolling through, and it's showing you this and showing you that.

And you think, well,

this is coming from somewhere, and I wonder why I'm seeing what I'm seeing.

Maybe most people don't wonder why they're seeing what they're seeing.

But the fact is,

I include a study in here where they opened one up,

opened up an account with a 13-year-old girl.

They created an account with a 13-year-old girl, just put up her name,

and 13 years old, and within minutes, they started feeding her toxic information.

Just really

information that was upsetting for her and not in her best interest.

So they came back and said, well, all right, let's see what happens if we give a clue about a 13-year-old.

So they changed the label to Lauren Lose Weight,

gave a clue to the algorithm about what she was about.

The amount of toxic information she got within minutes went up like 10x

in a matter of minutes.

They started directing her to 700 calorie diets, 400 calorie diets, anorexia sites,

all sorts of things, started bombarding her.

Now, you say, well, why would they do that?

If they show you a box of puppies and you think, whoa, that's really cute.

And so you click it a few times.

You think, yeah, cute puppies, okay.

But if they show you something upsetting,

like

sick puppies or abandoned puppies, something that upsets you emotionally, it gets you jacked up.

you're going to really start clicking because now you're emotionally invested.

And so instead of just kind of clicking and laughing, clicking and laughing, you start really clicking.

And the more you click, the more money they make.

So they feed these girls this information that gets them emotionally invested, gets them emotionally upset.

They stay on longer, they click longer, and what happens, of course, then is more ads come at them and they make more money.

Now they do this knowing, and we've seen the information, that the girls get anxious, they get depressed, their self-worth goes down.

It hurts them to see this.

They don't care.

It's a money grab.

So they continue to feed them upsetting content because they click more and get more ad exposure.

And they know that.

We've seen the documents that say they know that.

So they feed them upsetting information because it creates more ad rev.

So your kids are not just seeing what randomly comes at them.

They're actually being targeted by harmful information because it creates more money for the major social media platforms.

They're knowingly doing that and your child doesn't know it and you don't know it, but they're victimizing your child consciously and you don't know it.

And I'm putting it in here because people need to know it.

Right.

And

what you talk about here too is the censoring of information,

stuff that

you may want to know, may not want to know, but it's what they want you to know.

And that censoring of information, especially in my world,

is growing at a dramatic and terrifying pace.

It's a terrifying pace.

I spent a lot of time in the litigation arena.

Not

three minutes from here, I had a company, Courtroom Sciences, Inc.

We did trial science work.

And so we spent a lot of time studying how jurors problem solve cases.

There might be a thousand facts

in a case, and we discover that out of that, a jury might break this down to maybe 50 or 60 facts, and out of that 50 or 60, eight or ten may drive their decision.

It was our job to isolate what are those eight or ten decision-driving facts and how can they be presented in the most effective way.

And

if you understand

what those facts are and how they can be presented most impactfully,

then

you've got a real leg up.

And

one of the things we learned real quick is jurors decide cases on what they see and hear, not on what they don't see and hear.

So you'll have a lawyer that says, well, we tried to get something in and they objected and there was a big fight and the judge said, well, we can't let that in now, maybe later.

And they look at the jury and they say, well, they knew we had something powerful.

We had a big impact.

No, you did not.

They decide on what they see and hear, not what was implied, not what you inferred.

They need to see it and they need to hear it.

And if they don't, it doesn't have a lasting effect on them.

So people that are censoring and deleting information, making sure it doesn't get in your feed, then I promise you across time,

they lose.

Those are not the decision-driving factors in somebody making up their opinion, forming an opinion and solving a problem based on that information.

And when they're curating this information, when they're choosing what you see and what you don't see, they're forming your opinions.

And that's scary.

What's frightening to me is they have,

you know, you don't think of, but you worked for Exxon

and, you know, did court cases with Exxon.

When we used to always look at those companies and go, well, they're not going to lose because they got all the money in the world and they know exactly.

They can just figure out the jurors and everything else.

And that's what you do.

But that's what's being done on every American now.

by our own government and by social media.

We have gone from this country, and maybe I'm naive, Dr.

Phil, but I got to tell you, in 2008, when everybody was starting to be called a racist, I thought,

I think we're doing really well.

We're not perfect, but we're not 1965.

You know, I grew up at a time when you didn't really notice it.

The Martin Luther King idea, at least I grew up in Seattle, at least there, it wasn't an issue.

And I really thought we were making progress.

And then all of a sudden, we're being told, you're a racist, you're a racist, you're a racist.

And it is some of the greatest psychological and behavioral scientists alive today that are doing it.

Well, that's what I call in the book Tyranny of the Fringe.

We have these,

and this is psychopolitics.

And I'm not a politician.

Talk about it.

Before you start, tell me what psychopolitics is.

You talk about it in the book.

I do.

And a lot of this,

we have to remember when we talk about Russia, for example,

Pavlov,

which is one of the greatest behavioral psychologists in the history of the field, was Russian.

And so, trust me,

they are

good at what they do.

And

we have a document.

from the 60s that

I talk about in the book.

And they were talking about

subverting American society, American culture.

And

they describe it as psychopolitics as well.

And they're talking about how you can control the minds and the morale.

and the emotions of the society.

And their conclusion was

they've already done it for us because they're attacking each other.

This is like George Orwell's 1984.

They may have freedom of speech under the First Amendment, but they're muzzling each other.

This cancel culture that we have now is an advanced version of what they were talking about with the psychopolitics of the 60s.

But when I'm talking about psychopolitics, I'm talking about brainwashing people, controlling what people say, what they feel comfortable talking about.

And

if they dare to question what these activists are talking about, what they're pushing, what they're peddling, then they are attacked with a vengeance.

They're labeled phobic, they're labeled haters.

And it's to the point where they call their job, they contact their job, they get them fired, they get them where their own family won't talk to them.

And that's not theory.

That's happening.

I was struck by, I was over in London during Gay Pride week and month.

And I mean, on the castle, on every government building, in every store, they were flying the rainbow flag.

Everyone.

Like, without exception, everyone.

And I just, I kept walking down the street and I kept thinking to myself, everyone, everyone wants to fly that flag.

And I think it's a lot like the people in Germany that hung the political party flag.

They were just saying, leave me alone.

I'm fine.

You don't have to mess with me.

And it is happening.

And it seems as though

there are those who are awake, who see it, and see it for what it is.

And they're not necessarily political.

They just remember what right and wrong is.

And then there's those who, I mean, I've done my job for 25 years trying to say, wake up, wake up, wake up.

And I don't know if I've made an impact.

I don't know how,

I don't know how else to say, wake up.

It's a trance.

How do you break this?

Well, it is a trance in particular areas.

And I wonder,

because

my position is this.

I want us to deal with the facts.

Let's deal with the facts.

One of the things I talk about in the book, and

I entitle the book, We've Got Issues.

Because

look, I love this country.

And, you know, I get hate mail for saying I love this country.

But I do.

I love this country.

I stand up when the flag goes by.

I put my hand over my heart when they play the national anthem.

And I love this country enough to acknowledge that we've got problems.

I'm not so defensive about it.

I love it enough to not be defensive about the fact that we've got problems.

Big problems.

And

I think that's a good thing to

say, I admit we got problems.

I don't have to be defensive about that.

Sure, we do.

And

I see things like

trigger warnings.

The majority of universities, my research has shown me that the majority of universities have utilized or are utilizing trigger warnings.

I saw a couple of universities that are using trigger warnings for Romeo and Juliet, where they say trigger warning, suicide content.

Well, spoiler alert.

Come on.

Kind of gave the storyline away.

But

here's my problem.

When you research trigger warnings, and please, if you're listening to this, fact check me.

Please fact check me.

Go to, don't go to Google.

Google, go to Scholastic Google.

I mean, go another level and research trigger warnings, and you will find that the vast majority, overwhelming body of literature says trigger warnings not only don't work, make you weaker, they actually make you anxious.

They actually create the problem that they were designed to avoid.

Now,

here's why they don't work.

There is evidence-based therapy designed to teach people to cope with things that stress them out, right?

Systematic desensitization, dialectical behavior therapy.

There are a number of evidence-based therapies to teach people to overcome these stressors in their life.

Why?

Because you can't avoid them.

So what do trigger warnings do?

They say, okay,

some things are going to come up that might stress you, so we're going to warn you, which is stressful, and you can go over here and sit in a corner and avoid this and pretend it's not there.

Problem is, when you get out of college and you get out in the real world, that doesn't happen.

Well, it's starting to.

Well, sadly.

Yeah.

But that pendulum is swinging back.

Yes.

So you're not preparing people for the real world.

These trigger warnings don't work.

Research says they actually hurt and that the better method is to learn to cope with them.

So later in life, you're not still paralyzed, whether it's PTSD or whatever it may be.

You can have them.

And the trigger warnings have been for some really ridiculous things, but assuming that they're for something that was traumatic, you need to learn to cope with that.

Now, here's my problem.

These universities that are employing them have the same access to to the same research that I do.

So if I can go out there and find out that trigger warnings are contraindicated, that you should not use them, that they actually create problems, they don't help anything, they actually create problems.

If I can look that up and find it, so can every university that's employing them.

So why are they doing it anyway?

Because they're virtue signaling.

They're wanting to seem like, I am super woke here.

I'm really sensitive.

I'm protecting all of the students and creating a safe place for them to get an education.

The problem is, that's not an education.

The problem is, that's teaching them to go on green and stop on red.

Here are the keys.

Have a great ride.

That's not the way the world works.

Now, if I can look that up and find it and see it, so can they.

So they are knowingly

teaching these people something that doesn't help them and actually hurts them.

But you said don't look it up on Google.

Scholastic.

You write.

Nathan Sharansky wrote a book called Case for Democracy.

In it, Charansky created what he called the Town Square Test.

Explain the Town Square Test.

Well, the whole idea here is

you have to be willing

to speak up, speak out, and say what you think.

And

the whole idea is that the Internet, for example, should be like a town square, right?

You should be able to talk about whatever you want to talk about and have an exchange of ideas.

Yeah.

No.

Good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

It doesn't work that way.

When you put out something that

is

at odds with the agenda, the agenda is intolerant when you're dealing with these activists.

And I think it was Richard Feynman that said, I would rather have answers that I can't question than questions I can't answer.

And

that's a real problem.

If you've got answers you can't question,

that's worse than having questions you can't answer.

And that's where we are right now.

You've got answers you can't question.

And that's worse than having questions you can't answer.

You said at one point

that the town square test, the way to know if you're living in a fear society, is if a person cannot walk into the middle of the town square and express his or her views without fear of arrest, imprisonment, or physical harm.

By that definition, we're not living in a fear society, at least not yet.

In a fear society, in a real town square, when a person's getting silenced, you actually see them getting attacked, or muzzled, or arrested, or dragged away.

This is what I called a few years ago, and got a lot of heat for it,

a digital ghetto.

The Germans just moved people into ghettos.

They could talk all they want behind that wall.

So it was, in effect, erased.

We're burning books, but not physically.

We're ghettoizing people, just not physically.

Is there a difference?

Well, I don't think there's a difference.

And here's the thing.

They didn't have...

Think about George Orwell's 1984, which was written.

Think about how prophetic this was.

It was written in 1948.

And he talked about

someone would say something they shouldn't say.

They would fail the town square test and they would get unpersoned.

They would just disappear.

I mean, everything, they would disappear from the records.

They're just gone.

They would just, you couldn't find anything about them.

We call it canceling them now.

It's the same thing as he wrote about in 1948.

And

they started eliminating words

from in in the book they started eliminating words and there was just what they called new speak and you could only use these words and not use any others same thing and people started saying well i actually like that because i don't want to have to make any decisions just tell me what words i can use and i'll use those and then i don't have to think

wow and

how crazy is that We have the First Amendment protecting free speech

and we're muzzling each other.

It's not the government coming in and taking it away right now.

We're muzzling each other.

You say something I don't like, and we will attack you, we will cancel you, we will get you fired, we will get you labeled as a hater, we will get you labeled as phobic,

whatever,

and you know, you'll wear the scarlet letter and

be unacceptable anymore.

And it's got people.

I have one

statistic in the book that says the percentage of people that are afraid to express their opinion has tripled since 1950.

So in the last 75 years.

And think of 1950 as the beating of the Red Scare.

Yeah.

It's tripled since then.

People are just saying, I'd just rather not say anything.

How bad is that?

You don't.

You don't have a civilization when that happens.

No, you don't.

And

what you're saying is you've been trying to wake people up and have.

I mean, don't sell yourself short.

You've awakened a lot of people.

It's a process.

And I think that a lot of these activists have pushed too far, too long,

too hard.

And people have started saying, wait a minute.

You're now messing with my kids.

You're messing with my education.

Too much is too much.

Enough's enough.

Too much is too much.

Like my grandmother said, you quit preaching and go into meddling now.

That's not okay.

Right.

There's all kinds of research, historic research, that shows that the final stages of an empire

always come

at the end with

questionable sexuality, questionable, you know, bad morals on sex,

LGBTQ kind of stuff.

And for some reason, that is

the last straw that comes before it collapses.

Is that true?

Do you know?

I don't know, but I see

I'm the incurable optimist.

And maybe that's a flaw,

but I believe

in

mankind.

I believe that

if

we really want

this culture, this society to flourish,

that

it's the number one principle I write in the book, be who you are on purpose.

Don't wake up and ride the river wherever it's going.

Be who you are on purpose.

You've got to decide what's important to me

and what am I willing to do

to stand up for that.

That's why the subtitle to the book is How to Stand Strong for America's Soul and Sanity.

And the soul of the nation is a big word, right?

I mean, to talk about the very soul of the nation.

But when people are trying to rewrite history, biology,

science,

all of that,

how does that work?

I mean,

you don't just decide,

you know, I don't like the way this is, so I'm going to rewrite it.

And

it's not enough to just live and let live.

I'm like, if that's what you want to think, okay.

That's not enough.

We're going to demand that you stand up and say you agree with us.

It's not enough that

you let us think that way.

You have to stand up and agree with us.

That's where I have a problem.

It's in the Bible, Sodom and Gomorrah.

You know, the angels come to the door, or the angel is in the house, and the people come pounding on the door.

Offers his son or his daughter, here, take my daughter.

No.

The stranger.

Bring the stranger.

He must participate.

We're in that position right now where

it isn't enough.

You must, I mean, again, I go back to the store owners.

How do you get a country that only voted a third for the Nazis, how do you get them to raise their hand and give the Hitler salute?

How do you get them?

Fear.

They were physically beaten in the streets by the SA.

We're not physically beaten.

But we have a massive psychological game being played.

We do.

And the internet's internet's the game changer.

The social media platforms,

all that are game changers.

Because

think about it.

Before that, if

you were up in Kansas and you've living out on the farm and you had some wacky idea, you could tell a couple mouth breathers down at the bar.

Right.

And you guys could get out in the woods and talk to each other.

And

that's about as far as it went.

But now,

you get on the internet, it gets oxygen because you got enough other people that say, oh, well, I want to find a cause.

I want to find something that distinguishes me.

I want to belong to something.

And that's why I say that I'm so worried that family in America is under attack.

Religion has dropped below 50% in America for the first time in our country's history.

People want to belong to something somewhere, somehow.

and absent a quality choice they'll grab on to anything

and so you know here's somebody with a with a wacky idea and they'll love bomb you and accept you and and tell you oh that's great the way you're thinking yeah you you get me we're we're in this together and so before you know it those four or five guys out in the woods now are connected with four or five hundred and then those four or five hundred

that's why Richard Allen Ross, who's I think the best

cult guy around, says we've probably got 10,000 cults operating in America right now because of the internet.

And they'll connect that way.

And then maybe once a year they all get together and physically.

So is this a problem?

Because

I've been fascinated with technology my whole life.

And I started reading Ray Kurzweil back in the 90s and

what was coming and AI and

ASI and all of the things that we're now beginning to experience.

And it is very hopeful and very,

it's miraculous, but it is also deadly.

So is it

the fact that, I mean, how many movies do you have to watch where you see the AI go wrong?

Know-how, turn the air back on.

You know what I mean?

How many times?

And we just seem to have this like normalcy bias in a way that this time it's different.

It's never different.

It's never different.

No, and

I think the way to inoculate

against that is,

as I said, we have to ask ourselves,

what are we all about?

And are we doing anything about what we're about?

Are we being who we are on purpose?

Are we living with intention?

And

I look at what's being taught in the colleges and universities right now.

I said not long ago that our elite universities were fostering intellectual rot.

They're not teaching critical thinking.

No.

I mean,

we have this invasion of Israel.

And, I mean, those were murdering assassins that came in and attacked,

raped, beheaded, set on fire.

Children in their cribs set on fire.

And

I said, look, I am going to speak about this.

And I was speaking to representatives of the Israeli government.

And I said, look, I can't talk about this

based on descriptions and hearsay.

I don't want to see

visual

proof of this, but I can't talk about it if I don't.

So

the Israeli consulate

had the IDF

bring to my home here in Dallas

classified footage that has not been released to this day.

And I've

watched, and a lot of it was GoPros from

Hamas.

Some of it was cell phone video from Israelis that were murdered and fell on their cell phones and they opened them up and saw what was there, saw what happened.

And

these were not acts of war.

And as I said, I don't know enough about politics to speak about it.

I think a lot of people don't that speak about it.

I certainly don't know geopolitical dynamics,

but I do know right from wrong.

I know murder when I see it.

I know when somebody goes into a non-combatant's house and kills an infant and says, Well, they're settlers,

and it's just wrong.

And then I see

hundreds of students on campus.

Some of them

I just

see a banner that says

gays for Palestine.

Do a little homework.

Just a little homework.

Seriously?

Walk that banner into the Gaza Strip and see how far you get.

You're cheering on people that would sooner kill you than look at you.

Yes.

And

how have they not been taught critical thinking?

And

do I ride off the fact that

many Palestinians have been killed, 20,000 and counting, and many of them children or civilians?

No, I don't.

But

being killed in collateral damage from a bomb dropped as an act of war is not the moral equivalent of what was done by Hamas when they came into Israel.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: You said a couple of things that I think are interesting.

You talked about, you know, you're not an expert on it, but you know the difference between right and wrong.

I think our society has been trained just to listen to the experts.

You don't know.

You're not smart enough.

You don't know all the information.

But you can, as an individual and must, as an individual, look at the situations, listen to all sides, listen to what's going on, and then make a judgment, not necessarily as the person in charge, but absolutely a judgment if you can tell the difference between right and wrong.

If you're murdering and setting babies on fire, I don't need to listen to anything else you say.

That's such a violation of right.

I've got a moral compass.

Does America?

I think they do, but I don't think that they're finding a voice the way some of the activists are.

Why?

Because they're not organized.

And here's the thing.

The activists, the tyranny of the friends that I talk about in the book, they have an identified enemy.

It's often us.

They have an identified enemy, and so once they identify an enemy, then they can rally towards that enemy.

When they have an identified enemy, they'll have a place to go, a time to arrive, a target to focus on.

Whereas

this middle America doesn't have an identified enemy.

They don't want an enemy.

America does.

Most of Americans don't want an enemy.

They want to live peacefully and accept one another and love one another,

which I'm so glad about in one sense, but you have to pick your battles.

And they're not picking a battle.

And so here we've got this tyranny of the fringe out here that are snipers,

and

they're targeting

people uh and they're pushing this narrative and

middle america millions and millions and millions and tens of millions of people don't have an identified enemy they don't want to hurt anyone they don't want to hurt also that they don't know i mean you talk about core principles

the one thing about america we didn't agree on anything on anything except a few core principles We enshrined them as the Bill of Rights.

And all of our laws were based on Judeo-Christian principles.

Don't kill, you know, don't steal, don't lie.

Those kinds of things were important.

We don't agree on the Bill of Rights anymore.

We don't even agree that it was a good document.

Yeah.

How do you bring that back and can it be brought back together?

It has to be because, and, you know,

I talk about the fact that we we have to make all

we have to choose all behaviors based on results

and that means that we have to support a meritocracy look this stuff about equality of outcome

come on i i mean if if you've got a guy sitting home in a bean bag eating cheetos

and he's going to get the same outcome as the personbag and eat cheetos all day too yeah he gets the same outcome as the person that gets up at 6 o'clock and goes and totes that bale and

works at the lumberyard all day or goes to medical school or whatever it is.

And

I saw this happen

when

they

set about mismanaging COVID and spent $5.5 trillion.

And again, I'm not being political.

I'm being psychological here.

When you pay people not to work, and in fact you pay them more to not work than to work, and when you figure in that gas was five, six, seven dollars a gallon in L.A.,

I drove past some stations where it was seven and a quarter.

I took pictures because I went home to Robin, said, look at this.

And they're having to commute.

And so it's going to cost them $300, $400 a week to commute.

Why do it?

Or they can sit home in that beanbag and they get unemployment plus a $600 a week bonus and then another bonus on top of that.

And then they get a stimulus check for, what was it, $1,250 per person.

I had some friends with a family of four

that, honest to God, they were getting $10,000.

You destroy it.

And when you take all of it together, it was like $5.5 trillion.

$4.4 trillion of it went into checking your savings accounts.

They didn't spend it on rent and groceries.

They didn't need it, obviously, because it went into savings.

So you're paying people to not work, and then they say, I don't understand what happened to the supply chain.

Why we can't get anybody to unload all of these ships out in Long Beach Harbor.

They're backed up out here for miles, and we can't get anybody to unload them.

Well,

why would they?

They're in the beanbag.

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But in reading your book, you don't talk about politics.

There's no left or right in there.

No.

But it does,

and maybe it's because everything is political now, but it does seem, common sense seems political right now.

Well, politicians talk about a lot of the cultural issues that I talk about.

Right.

That's their problem, not mine.

I'm talking about cultural issues in terms of the fact that I think family is the backbone of America.

And I think families are under attack.

They're under attack by the big social media platforms.

I think they're under attack by these fringe activists.

I think they're under attack.

Some of it's unintended consequences.

Some of it's on purpose.

And

that's why I say

Be who you are on purpose.

Decide, my family is going to be pulled together.

My family is, we're going to consciously make this family strong again.

I think you have to make some of those choices.

You've got to support a meritocracy.

Can I give some of the principles you said?

You said, I've been working on my 10 working principles for a healthy society.

Let me give these to you.

Number one, be who you are on purpose.

That's just a simple conversation that we won't have.

No political party will have this conversation.

What do we believe?

Do you believe in socialism?

Do you believe in some sort of fascism without the killing centers?

Or do you believe in the Bill of Rights and individual freedom?

We won't have that conversation.

In fact, they'll argue that we can't have that conversation.

But that's what we have to have to know who we are.

Two, focus on solving problems rather than winning arguments.

What a great principle.

Isn't that the truth?

And you can know whether you're dealing with somebody that is trying to win an argument or solve a problem in the first three or four sentences,

talk to them.

Because they sit down and say,

Okay,

how can I help here?

What can we do together to work on this?

If I'm sitting down to negotiate with somebody, the first thing I always do is say, Look, we got some differences, we'll get to those.

But let's talk about what we have in common first.

Let's talk about what we agree on.

Because then we've got a foundation to build on.

Because I've never one time done that that we didn't

realize we have a lot more in common than we thought we did.

Every time you have a conversation with somebody, if they're honest, if they are engaged in an honest conversation, and as you say, not trying to win,

it always works that way.

And you don't have to love everything about the other person to love that person.

You don't have to like everything they do in order to work with them.

Principle number three: don't reward bad behavior or support conduct you don't value.

These are so fundamental psychological principles.

If your kid's throwing a tantrum in the grocery store, do you go give him a piece of candy?

Of course you don't.

So why reward bad behavior?

Why re-elect politicians that aren't doing the job?

If you've got pit bulls walking around your neighborhood, jumping on people and chewing them up, get a new dog catcher.

He's doing his job.

Number four, measure all actions based on results and all thoughts based on rationality.

That we are told,

you don't understand science.

Science says there are 93 genders.

That's not based on anything.

No,

it's real easy to check some of these things out.

And, you know, rationality sounds like

a big word.

Is it based on verifiable fact?

Does it protect and prolong your life?

Does it get you closer to what you want and need?

There are some simple building blocks to answer whether something's rational or not.

This isn't a subjective opinion.

You can ask yourself, first off, is it based on verifiable fact?

And if it's not, get a new thought.

Well, they'll tell you.

Let's just take on an issue that I know you've gotten a lot of heat for.

Transgenderism.

The American in me says, look, dude, okay, that is not my deal, whatever.

But don't expect me to say, oh, look at that woman over there.

I'm not going to.

I'm not going to.

Don't expect me to say

that

I have to call you or treat you the same because honestly, you have some sort of mental disorder.

If you actually think you're something trapped inside of your body, you're not.

You're not.

And there might be, but how do you say those things

in polite society?

Our American

ethos has always been: live and let live.

Look, if you want to identify as Glenda,

that's up to to you.

If you want me to say

that sex

is

assigned at birth rather than defined at conception or chromosomally,

I can't find the science to support that.

But if you want to identify differently,

what business is it of mine to tell you that you can't?

Correct.

But don't force me to say that it's normal or rational or teach my kids that this is something that you should pursue or even experiment with.

And that's number one of rationality, is it based on verifiable science?

And, you know, I had Dr.

Carol Hooven on my show,

professor at Harvard, one of the most

respected and popular

professors at Harvard.

And she taught a course in, I think it's, I forget the title, I think it was Biogenetics.

It's talked about in the book.

She was on my show and Fox and Friends, and

nicest woman.

This is

a sweetheart of a woman's spirit.

So smart.

I mean, scary smart.

And we had

a transgender

woman on that had transgender,

she had transitioned to a male and was a coach

and

was very happy in that

position.

And when I came to Dr.

Hooven, who was going to talk about transgender athletes, I came to her to talk about that and before she could even answer,

she was very emotional and she was talking to this coach and said,

I'm so happy for you that that you're happy

and

i i'm i mean she was very emotional said i'm just so happy for you she's that sweet

and he said well i'm thank you for saying that and

he said you know there's

you know there are more than

two sexes and she said well but there aren't and he said well yes there are well but there aren't

and she said i

i'm I'm just telling you, you'll never be able to get a biological male to compete fairly with females.

We're seeing that.

And she said, I've got the research here.

It's not my opinion.

I don't care.

And he said, well, how many were in your study?

She said, well, that wasn't my study.

I did a meta-analysis of, I think, 54 studies that looked at all of this.

And even with testosterone blockers, like, for example, you can't change the wing span, you can't change lung capacity, you can't change all of these different things,

and you can modify it some, but you'll never get on a level playing field.

And she even had the percentages broken down.

She said, like with swimming, you can get within 10%,

but most swimming events are timed in hundredths of a second.

And if it's a two-minute race, 10%

would be 12 seconds.

They'd be down there turning around while he's standing up there waiting and said, you'll never get it.

She got back to Harvard and they labeled her transphobic and drummed her out of that university after 20 years

for being transphobic.

And she is so far from transphobic.

That is the most accepting woman you could ever meet.

I don't know anybody.

I'm sure there are.

But I personally don't know anybody when you saw Bruce Jenner and he told his story of, I've been like this my whole life.

I feel like I've, I mean, what he spoke about when he was 20, when we were watching him win gold, what was going through his head, I felt horrible for him.

I'm like, that's torture.

That is just torture.

And if he's happy now, that's great.

I am happy.

But you have to draw the line and say, look, if I'm bringing you to the hospital, I'm not going to tell them and argue with them that you're the most beautiful woman ever.

You're a man.

And it's important for them to know because that's science.

And look,

if they want to identify as

a transgender female, I get it.

And I talk in the book.

I say, look, I'm not sure

that I'm describing this right.

And if not please help me because

for a long time they did not say

that

sex and gender were the same thing as I understood it and

I'm I'm live and let live

and there's gender dysphoria

and I'm I'm worried about what's happening with children if if they're pushing that

agenda.

I just

I

look at it.

Just the damage.

You know,

my son at probably

seven or eight was exposed to photography, a babysitter.

He was online, and it tore him apart.

He was in a rabbit hole that he was seeing hardcore stuff, and it really tore him apart.

How can people say that that is good and natural for children to see?

I mean little children we've known forever protect their innocence.

Yeah, I think there's a real

problem with what some people are wanting to make available to kids in illustrated books and that sort of thing.

Let's go to principle number five.

Consciously choose which voices are in your life and deserve the most attention.

That's stop scrolling.

You You bet.

Principle six, don't stay silent so others can remain comfortable.

That's really hard.

Yeah, that's what we've got to get people to do is

be willing to speak up even if it makes other people

upset.

If it's who you are and what you believe, you got to be willing to speak it.

Principle seven, actively live in support of meritocracy.

That's what made us.

Exactly.

Principle eight, identify and build your consequential knowledge.

What does that mean?

Here's the thing, and that's probably an awkward word choice,

but I meant it to be because I want it to stick out in people's mind.

Consequential knowledge is knowledge you have, skill set that you have, talent you have, ability you have, where they can't replace you by noon tomorrow.

If you're working somewhere and your job is opening the gate or filling an order or whatever, they can replace you by tomorrow.

If you are a computer repair person or

you're

a brain surgeon or you're doing something where...

If you have the institutional knowledge, just the institutional knowledge is...

You don't let that person go.

I've had the same assistant

that runs my office for 45 years.

Wow.

She knows where everything is.

She knows how to get that ball cabinet open.

She knows how to do this.

She knows everybody at every vendor, every account.

If something happens to her, we're just going to have to shut down.

I mean,

that's institutional knowledge.

But

find out what you're good at and vertically develop at that.

There's nothing wrong with being a jack of all trades, but you better be a master of one.

Have something you're good at that you can't be replaced by noon tomorrow.

Find that, develop it, and then you're protected.

Last one, principle, oh no, there's two.

Principle number nine, work hard to understand the way others see things.

I can't think of, I mean, all of these are so perfect.

No one's asking, how did you get there?

You know, I work with law enforcement some, and I...

I do training with them on different things from different angles.

And you talk to the FBI, you talk to hostage negotiators, they'll tell you, you're never going to get a hostage out alive

if you don't convince the hostage taker that you understand why they took that hostage to begin with.

That's the number one predictor of whether or not you're going to get those hostages out alive.

If they understand that, okay, he gets why I took these hostages to begin with, whether it's for political reasons or you've been hurt or what once they understand

Glenn understands why I did this,

then you've got a chance of getting them out.

Hey, he gets me.

He understands why this happened.

That's when you'll get them out.

They need to know they've been heard, that you have heard what they have to say, why they did what they did.

We need to work hard at making people understand we get them.

We see things through their eyes.

We don't do that enough.

No, in fact, we do the opposite.

Yeah.

And then the last one, number 10, is treat yourself and others with dignity and respect, which seems so simple.

I mean, you could look at that and say, what, did you run out of 10?

You need one more?

No, that is not as easy as it sounds.

You can't give away what you don't have.

If you don't treat yourself with dignity and respect, you can't give it to other people.

Let me change subjects here.

You're just talking about hostages, and I feel as though some people are hostage to

their own

normalcy bias or confirmation bias,

and you just can't get them out.

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Let me take a situation that is political and don't make it political.

Donald Trump is seeing jury after jury after jury.

In Washington, D.C., he's going to be at a jury pool.

Only 6% of the population voted for him.

If you were advising,

how do you get

them

to understand

the case from his perspective?

What would you be advising his attorneys?

I would

absolutely

do what

I call plaintiffing the defense.

You have got to put

the prosecution

on trial.

You don't want to go in there and defend Donald Trump.

You want to put the other side on trial.

You need to,

you're going to come off a whole lot better

if you can flip the script and say

we need to decide what the motives are of the other side of this case.

And I would be asking them to say,

to ask themselves, you're a first-draft historian here.

What are you going to write?

Are you going to put together

a case here where

you are

bringing

this case in a way that is actually

going to alter the course of American politics, or are you going to let the electorate make a decision?

And I think you have to put the other side on trial.

I think you'll do a whole lot better

by plaintiffing the defense instead of defending the defense.

I think you're a lot better off if you put the other side on trial instead of defending your guy.

And is that because

6% voted for your guy?

Let's talk about you're coming to

Texas.

You're starting a new

network.

And

well, tell me about the network.

Well, it's Merritt Street Media.

And

it's a 24-hour a day, seven-day-a-week network.

We're launching on April 7th.

That is hard.

It is more than hard.

We're going to have four hours a day of news, and the news is going to be factual.

It's going to be based on

empirical fact and let people decide whether they think it's good news or bad news.

That's up to them.

And my show is

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And

we have a lot of others that are involved.

Nancy Grace is going to be on.

She'll be

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We've got, there will be some of my shows from daytime.

We'll have some legacy programming.

Got a really interesting show from the behavior panel.

I don't know if you've run across these guys.

They're guys I've worked with from law enforcement that

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You know, there are some things.

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There are things people just don't know.

If you're lying, your blink rate goes from an average of 15 to into the 70s or 80s.

I mean, it's like playing whack-a-mole there are so many indications and signs that even if you know them all you can't control them all and it's really interesting what we get into with these guys.

There's lots of things like that.

So

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Wow.

It's going to be

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The call signs when you pull it up on DirecTV or Dish or whatever will be Merit.

And that wasn't chosen at random as you might.

So let me ask you.

I mean,

I built this, and I'm 60 now.

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Why?

Why?

You don't need the money.

You don't need the fame.

Why are you doing this?

I asked myself that

once in a while.

I mean, how's that working out for you?

You know, Glenn, I really,

it's,

I tell people,

if you don't have a passion in your life,

you need to find one.

And

you're right.

I don't need to do this.

I want to do this.

I'm more excited about launching this network than I was when I launched Dr.

Phil back in 2002.

And that was very exciting.

Why?

Because I feel like this country

is

really

in danger right now.

I feel like we are

under attack from within.

And I think we've got a lot of things going on right now that I have relevant information about.

I think I have some things to say.

I remember, you know Roger King.

You remember Roger King?

He was king of syndication.

And I remember right over here at the Four Seasons out in the

Las Calinas.

Yeah.

That was the first interview I gave when we was getting ready to take the show out to sell.

And for people that don't know, when you're in syndication, they sell your show market by market.

Now everything's so

six or seven groups.

It used to be 200.

It would be maybe three or four big groups, but then the rest of it you went market by market.

But I remember he said, All right, we're going to make a pitch reel for this show.

So sit down there, we're going to ask you a little questions.

And the first question he asked is, All right, what's the show going to be about?

And I remember the first things I said on camera about it, I said, I want to talk about things that matter to people who care.

And I didn't plan that or think about it.

It just came out.

I said, I want to talk about things that matter

to people who care.

And I want to deliver common sense, usable information

to people's homes every day for free.

And

how can that not work?

And

I was right.

I mean, if you talk about things that matter to moms and dads and husbands and wives and,

you know,

whoever, And those things that matter have changed.

As I said, when smartphones came out, it changed.

And over the last few years,

it's changed to to include more social issues than it used to because so much is going on.

People are concerned about immigration.

They're concerned about so many things that five years ago, it wasn't on their radar.

I was surprised to see you down on the border, and

you were clear

on that.

You've been clear on a few things.

Yeah.

Well, I'm not one to, you know, like I said, be who you are on purpose and

do it with intention.

You know, when I was asking those guys about that,

I said, why haven't you talked about this?

I said, nobody's asked us this question in this point of fashion.

You know, I said, are we sending children off into prostitution with tax dollars?

They said, yes.

I said, and it's not in the clip.

I said,

you know, you're on camera, right?

He said, yeah, I know.

I'm glad you're asking.

In fact, in the clip it it says, I'm grateful you're asking.

Nobody's asking.

What the hell?

Nobody's that.

Are you kidding me?

So I'm asking questions that I think people need to hear the answers to.

You said you wanted to reach a more broad audience.

Things that are political

in this day and age, just

narrow.

I mean, they will.

I know you've been through the ringer.

You haven't been through the ringer yet.

What audience was missing, first of all, that you didn't have?

Well, when you're on in daytime, you know, 90% of your audience is female.

And

a lot of people

are working during that time, and they can...

record and watch it later.

And we were one of the few shows that

people recorded and actually did watch.

Our number changed at Live Plus 7, changed significantly.

But I think being on in prime time,

I can speak a lot to the male audience.

I can speak a lot to those Americans that are out there working hard and now they're home and can watch the show

organically.

And

so I want to do that.

I like having a news department where if something's breaking, I can walk over there and join them and talk about it.

And I'm not a news guy.

I don't know anything about producing news, but I've got people in there that do.

I'm real good at surrounding myself with people that are a lot smarter than me on things that I don't know about.

And I don't have any trouble acknowledging that.

And

you're right.

People are going to take pot shots at me when I talk about Israel and the border and stuff like that.

But I've never had a need to be loved by strangers,

which works out great.

Doesn't it?

That's come in handy for you, actually.

It really does.

It really is.

You know, if you believe in what you believe in,

that's all that matters to me.

I believe in it.

And

if somebody checks my facts and I'm wrong, I'll say, hey, somebody checked my fact and it was wrong, and here's the right one.

That's all right.

I remember my first

interview with Roger Ailes at Fox.

I had dinner with him a couple of times, and he was a delightful man and a great storyteller.

And then I went to an interview, dinner.

He was totally totally different and

he didn't talk to me at the table for maybe three minutes just silence

I sat there and then he said

so

what do you think of the 1972 China Accords

I know nothing about it and I I thought well just gonna tell him the truth don't know anything about it

He didn't talk to me for another three, four minutes.

Next time he said,

what do you think of the international relationship

that was fostered by the Eisenhower administration?

And I sat there and I looked at him and I said,

I got a choice right now.

I could bluff

and hope that you won't notice that I'm bluffing, but you're too smart for that.

Or I could shut this interview down right now and just tell you, I got no idea.

None.

He said,

which one are you going with?

And I said,

I think the second one.

He didn't talk to me for another five minutes.

And then he just started pummeling me with questions that, I mean, I think I lost 20 pounds of sweat, you know, just.

And I got up from the table and I thought, well, this has been a total train wreck of an evening.

Instead, he stood up and he shook my hand and he said, it's very rare that you get to meet a man who knows what he knows, knows what he doesn't, and is willing to tell you the truth.

And

I don't think, I think people

worry too much about other people.

And they want to be right or have the answers or look smart.

It's so much better when you

smart people know when you're bluffing.

Yeah, for sure.

And

I used to train witnesses that were CEOs of

Fortune 100 companies, and we'd put them up on the stand and cross-examine them before trial and ask them a question they didn't know.

And they'd try to say, well, blah, blah, blah.

And so, wait a minute.

You don't know.

Say you don't.

Well, I'm a CEO.

I should know.

No, you shouldn't.

You don't have to know that.

Just say, I

don't know.

I've got people that do know, and

I can make them available if you want, but

I'm not involved in that, but I support the people who are.

And the jury will love you for that.

Just saying, I don't know, but I support the people who do.

They're the people who do, and they'll...

They'll love the fact that a CEO says, I don't know, but I support those who do.

And they'll love you for that.

And once we got got that through their heads, they were great witnesses once you get them to realize it's CEOitis.

Yeah.

And we used to train that all the time.

And I think everybody has a little bit of that now.

Everybody feels like they have to know or they do know and they don't know.

And they don't know.

They don't know.

And they'll get in trouble.

Dr.

Phil.

It's been great.

I really enjoyed this.

Yeah, me too.

It's going to be nice to have you as a neighbor.

I can't believe it's been this long before we've ever sat down.

I know.

I know.

Because we've been in.

Oh, I know.

I was at the

Paramount lot that you were on, right?

Yeah.

I was at the Paramount lot.

See, this gigantic building.

Your face all across it.

It was quite a run.

I loved it there.

And I've had a great relationship with CBS.

I still have primetime shows on with them.

And

they've been great partners.

We're still in business together, have a great relationship.

And we were the longest running show on the history of the Paramount lot, and they are 105 years old.

Wow.

That's a lot of history on that lot, too.

We were on stage 29, and when I walked on the set for the first time, they were getting ready to take down a picture of Lou Al Cinder, not Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, it was when he was at UCLA.

He had his picture up there, and it was kind of turned sideways.

And I said, what is that picture up there?

And they told me, and they said, how did it get there?

And they said, well,

Arsenio Hall hung it when he was here.

Wow.

And I said, really?

And they said, yeah,

he was the longest show to ever last on this stage, stage 29.

He was here for five years, longest run ever on this.

I said, do not touch that picture.

Do not touch that picture.

And we were there 21 years.

And when we left, I brought that picture, and it's now hanging on my new set.

That is great.

Merit Street Media.

That is great.

And when my son launched The Doctors on stage 30 next to us, I had one of those pictures made and hung it at the same angle on stage 30 right next door.

And he was there for, I think, 14 years.

Wow.

So that's a, I tell you, you need to get one of those.

Yeah, I know.

I get one.

Thank you, Dr.

Lynn.

Thanks so much for having me.

God bless you.

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