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Fonnie Willis.

Oh,

Fonnie.

Now, in case you don't remember, Fonnie Willis is the prosecutor.

She is the

DA

that is making this case about Donald Trump

trying to steal the election, yada, yada, yada.

Well,

there's a little problem there because somebody found out that she was paying one of the expert witnesses and investigators an awful lot of money.

He was making like, I think almost twice as much, right?

As some of the other experts.

Yes, some of the other people.

So

people started looking into that.

And then the rumor came to this investigator that they were having an affair and they were going on lavish trips together.

And so they wondered, wow,

hmm, is, I mean, is something going on here that,

you know, might lack some professionalism?

Yes.

And then

there became this little squabble of when did you hire him?

Did you hire him before or after this case?

What is it?

There was also a divorce going on,

and he was getting a divorce, this prosecutor.

He was getting a divorce, and it came up in the divorce trial that those two were having an affair.

And he said, no, I've never had an affair in my marriage.

Okay, well, that wasn't true, but he got on the stand and he said, well, it depends on,

I'm not making this up, depends on how you define marriage.

In my head, we were divorced for a long time.

Okay, not usually the way we do that, but okay.

Let's redefine some more things about marriage.

So

the problem is

they swore under oath several times.

that they didn't have a relationship at all prior to 20.

The well again, this was a big part of the testimony.

Do you mean romantic relationships?

Yes, I do.

I mean relationships.

I mean as if they had met each other.

Do we have any porn music?

You know, that kind of a relationship.

You know what I mean?

Okay.

They.

This guy.

Yeah, I could see this guy.

You could see.

Ding-dong.

Yeah.

Pizza delivery.

Okay.

All right.

So they

had a, they admitted to the relationship after he was hired.

And I believe he was hired in November of 2021.

So they, I think, said the relationship started in early 2022.

Right.

After he was hired.

Yeah, after he was hired.

And so the, of course, you know, they went to work to say, wait a minute, this, this seems like it started way before that, including a testimony from someone, one of her best friends at the time.

And then somebody else that, you know, said attorney client privilege.

Right.

Yeah.

So that's like, like, you know, fifth.

Okay, we know what you're saying.

Sit down.

Right.

One of his attorneys was also asked about this.

And obviously they wouldn't have asked him about this if they didn't know what the answer was.

But he couldn't.

He was able to get out of it with attorney client privilege.

However, the other witness said they had been together since at least 2019.

Now, of course, this is important because

the accusation here is that she's trying to extend this and do as much as they can to get as much money into this guy's pocket as possible.

In other words, her goal is not justice here.

Her goal is to enrich this guy who is in turn enriching her, right?

Now, if their answer was immediately, look, this guy's the best in the business.

Yeah, we had an affair.

It's got nothing to do with this.

We've been dating since 2019.

But it doesn't matter because

I knew he did great work and that's why I brought him on this case.

It's got nothing to do with this case.

They probably escape scot-free on this.

But because of his divorce, they don't go down that road.

They decide instead to deny everything.

And that leads to some problems, some little problems.

Now, so it was really

he said, she said kind of stuff.

And you didn't have any evidence, except it seemed pretty obvious.

Nobody in their right mind could buy their excuses.

But if you want to have no shadow of a doubt, you don't really have any evidence.

Right.

Remember their excuses, too.

That they went on multiple expensive trips that he paid for on his business credit card,

his business credit card.

He paid for those trips.

Then

their story is after they returned, she took some amount, thousands and thousands of dollars, each time.

out of her glob of cash she keeps at her house that there are no records of, and she takes the thousands of dollars and gives it to him to pay back for her part of the travel.

Remember, they're dating at this point, for her part of the travel.

And then he takes it and then never deposits it into his bank account.

He just, I guess, what keeps it in his glove box and pays for gas every time he goes.

Well, I mean, it's his business credit card.

He went into the business and said, Here, I owe you this, and just gave him lots of cash.

Well, there would be, of course, a record of that.

So that's not what happened.

Well, unless the accountant at the business doesn't.

No.

We don't count cash coming in.

We just put it in, well,

this drawer, you know, right here.

Oh, yeah.

Well, again, like, if you had, if it, if he paid in cash for the trips, this might be kind of believable.

Even though it's never happened before.

This interaction between two people in a romantic relationship has never occurred.

Okay.

So, now,

apparently, there's something called...

Phone records.

What?

Yes.

What does that mean?

Well, it means they can track your location by triangulating your location.

Now,

this is,

it's kind of interesting that the phone records show that they had a lot of late night,

well,

phone calls that kind of came in and

ding-dong, pizza, you know.

He was playing the pizza delivery.

He was.

You know, look, sometimes pizzas do get delivered late at night.

Yes, yes.

And then other times people look under the box.

So they...

So over 2,000 voice calls and just under 12,000 interactions were exchanged.

12,000 text messages.

Yes, 12,000.

2,000

voice calls.

Can you think of anything more annoying than receiving 2,000 voice calls from anyone, let alone Fonnie Willis?

My God.

I I wonder if Tanya and I.

This guy deserves

hazard pay.

I wonder if Tanya and I have had 2,000 calls back to each other and 12,000 text messages.

I mean, there's no way.

What was the period again?

I mean, it's a year.

It's January to November, not a year, 10 months.

Okay, 10 months.

I mean, I talk to my wife on the phone.

I'm trying to think.

Let's go crazy and say twice a day.

I mean, I live with her, right?

Like, so I see her at home in the morning and I see with her, I see her at night.

And then during the day, there's a couple times she might call or text.

I mean, you could probably, I could probably count up a month of our texts to see how many were exchanged, but there's no way it's a thousand.

So I don't carry a phone, but I have an iPad that I take text.

And Tanya probably texts me two, three times a day, maximum.

Right.

Maximum.

That sounds about right.

I mean, again, I don't know.

Interactions, it's a little bit, it's a little bit, honestly, like the text messages.

Some people text a lot.

some people write small text messages some people give you the emoji reactions to them I don't know what counts in there so 12,000 maybe that's understandable

2,000 voice calls in 10 months I don't I have I bet I have not made 2,000 tech phone calls in 10 months if you combine every call I've made now

even if even if the 12,000 text messages were

just

doing the salsa dancer emoji, which I don't.

Is there a salsa dancer emoji?

Yeah, you've never seen that?

I have no idea what it's supposed to do.

I don't know that I've ever used an emoji, so that's yeah.

So there's the salsa dancer, and I don't know what the salsa dancer is supposed to represent.

I have no idea.

And so maybe that's the code salsa dancer.

You know what I mean?

It's like, hey, let's hook up salsa dancer.

Right.

They have like their own code language.

12,000 salsa dancers.

We know something's going on because,

I mean, what does that mean?

That's code.

Would you be surprised if we saw a lot of eggplants and peaches?

Okay, I don't.

I don't know what those mean.

12,000 of the 12,000 were eggplants or peaches.

I don't know.

I don't know.

I guarantee they'd be like.

Look, have you ever had

this authentic native dish that has both peaches and eggplants?

We kept making it.

That's all.

That's it.

They will go to any length to lie about this at this point.

They are done.

Well, here's what she said.

Okay,

so just so you know, so you know, they have him how many times?

45 times?

35 occasions.

Yes, at least.

At her.

And that was a conservative estimate.

35 was a conservative estimate about how many times she was there.

He was there.

So they have things like this.

September 11th through the 12th.

Deeper analysis.

We don't need to say that.

Described the attached affidavit from the cell phone tracking.

He left the Dural area approximately 10.15 p.m., traveling directly to and arriving within the geofence located on the Dogwood address to approximately 10.45.

He left the Dogwood address approximately 3.28 a.m.

What happens between 1045 and 3.28 a.m.

I mean, I'm just.

Okay, then he leaves there and he texts Fanny at 4.20.

Can you please call her?

For the purposes of honesty, can you please refer to her as Fanny?

I'm having a hard time with your peaches remark.

Following a call from Fonnie Willis at 11.32 p.m., which continues for 40 minutes, leaving the towers located near his resident in East Cobb at approximately 12.05 a.m.

Ongoing call at 12.38.

So he leaves his house to drive to her house and is on the phone with her the whole way, right?

Okay.

Then he goes, just just think about this.

Then he goes to this area, which includes her home, a very small area between two cell phone towers.

And how long does he stay there till?

Until 4.45 a.m.

4.45 a.m.

Yeah.

Is it really 4.45?

I didn't realize it was that long.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But he never spent the night, as they both testified.

He never spent the night.

Now, how would you justify this?

You know what makes sense now?

Why did the prosecution,

when they were talking to him and her, why did they say,

was he ever at where you laid your head?

Yeah, that was the terminology.

Now it was her, she used that terminology first in the testimony.

Oh, she did?

Yeah, because he kept, they were trying to say, okay, what about at this condo?

She's like, I don't even know.

I just kept the cash wherever I laid my head.

Now, of course, that's always what you do, right?

If you, let's say you go to a motel, you bring your $50,000 in cash with you.

It just stays with you wherever you go.

I know a lot of people operate this way that are in the mob.

But other than that, I don't know of

anyone who does.

So here's what she has said since Friday, since his story broke.

Quote, the records do nothing more than demonstrate that a special prosecutor Wade's telephone was located somewhere.

Not him.

It's just his phone.

His phone could have been fly.

What if it has wings and it's flying around at night?

We have no idea.

He is, he's a guy.

He loves to share.

He's a big sharer.

I'm not going to use my phone between 10 o'clock at night and, let's say, 4.55 in the morning.

I've got unlimited minutes.

Yeah.

No way.

I'm using them.

Yeah.

Why don't you use my phone?

Use them.

So records do nothing more than demonstrate that Special Prosecutor Wade's telephone was located somewhere within a densely populated multiple mile radius where various residents, restaurants, bars, nightclubs, and other businesses are are located.

How many of those are open at 4:20 a.m.?

Well, I'd also like to say,

how many cases have you tried

on cell phone location?

Because this is so bad.

What she is now arguing against is what's called sell hawk.

And law enforcement and attorneys say this is

the system to triangulate phones.

So everybody who is like, you know, Googled in,

how do I get rid of a 120-pound sack of meat and bones?

And then, you know, the girlfriend is missing.

They always like, yeah, but we have you going to the Home Depot, back to your house, then to the grave site.

I'm sorry, to that park you were visiting.

You know what I mean?

This is the same thing.

So if she discredits this,

how many cases, I mean, because if I I were a defense attorney and my client had gone to jail with this as the lynchpin and she discredits, I'd be like, she herself.

Even the district attorney says this isn't good.

It's really bad.

And do you think she's the type of person who would risk multiple murder investigations just to protect herself, Glenn?

Yes.

She seems like that kind of person?

Yes, I do.

Yes, I do.

And so does he.

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As always, Peter Schweitzer is with us.

Hello, Peter.

How are you?

Hey, I'm great, Glenn.

How are you?

Very good.

Very good.

Hey, I just got to ask you,

were you anywhere near James Biden when he threw that really expensive diamond away?

No, but I think I'm going to go look through his tracks.

Yeah.

That's not the sort of thing I would throw away.

Yeah.

I mean,

the excuses on all fronts between Fonnie Willis and the Bidens,

I mean,

who believes this stuff at this point?

Yeah, no, I think that's right.

I mean, you've got a core of people people who, you know, so hate Trump, so hurt, so hate traditional conservatives that they are going to suspend any logic and reason and just follow blindly with the things that they're being told.

You know, we were told for a long time Joe Biden had no knowledge of any of his family's business dealings.

We now know that he does, and he's reverted to, well, I didn't make any money off of it.

And that's not true either.

And so you see this pattern continuously.

But this is the onward march of the truth, Glenn.

You've been on this on so many fronts.

We've tried to be as well.

The truth is undeniable.

People will kind of pretend it's not there.

They'll obscure it.

They'll attack the messenger.

But I still believe truth wins out in the end.

And you're seeing, I think, the house of cards starting to implode.

I think so too.

Before we get into the new evidence, why do you say that?

What are you seeing?

What I see is I see the attitude and trends of the American people.

I mean,

they were told repeatedly that Joe Biden was a centrist, that he was the adult authority.

And I think sort of the last vestiges of

the mainstream media institutions were able to persuade a sizable portion of people to that fact.

I think a lot of people now feel betrayed.

I mean, I have friends who were

Biden supporters in 2020 who said, this is not the guy that we elected.

Forget the cognitive stuff.

And this is the problem.

I think a lot of these institutions believe that they can continue to deceive and manipulate without a cost.

Well, it's costing them in terms of their credibility, and it's severely damaged.

And if you look at the polls just on the Biden corruption story, which we've been on since 2018, you've now got in the high 60%.

on all these surveys, Harvard Harris, ABC News, et cetera, saying that American people believing that Joe Biden either committed crimes or engaged in unethical behavior to help his family's business.

So that to me is an amazing number.

They haven't, though, connected it to the policies.

For instance, the balloon, the Chinese balloon.

We had another one, you know, we thought, you know, this one is apparently a hobbyist.

I don't know if that's true or not.

But,

you know, when you see things that are happening with China, you're like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

For instance, on the border, you have, I think, 46 questions.

If you're coming into the United States illegally, you have 46 questions you have to be asked.

He told the Department of Homeland Security and Border Patrol they could only ask, what was it, seven or something like that?

Right.

If you're from China.

And nobody connects that.

Can you help make that connection here?

Yeah, I mean, look, I think one of the things I talk about in the book is the whole issue of fentanyl.

Hang on just a second.

Hang on, hang on, hang on.

I just want to teach you this, and I know you know this already, but stop referring to it as my book.

It's called Blood Money.

So every time, you know, it's like I talk about in Blood Money, just trying to help you sell, Brad.

Go ahead.

Thanks, Clint.

You're all good.

Yeah, no, it's in Blood Money.

I talk about how, you know, I got a lot of documents leaked from Homeland Security, from other government agencies.

China's involvement in fentanyl is completely at every link in the chain, not just the precursors that everybody knows about, the port that the precursors go into Mexico.

That port is run by a Chinese company.

The precursors are sent to a small town in northern Mexico where 2,000 Chinese nationals happen to be living, helping the drug cartels turn the fentanyl into, you know, the precursors into fentanyl.

They use Chinese pill presses.

Homeland Security says Chinese companies sold those pill presses to the cartels at cost.

They're not even price gouging them.

They're selling them at cost to create this poison, which is poisoning Americans.

The cartel is a Mexican.

Peter, I've said for a long time that

this is the drug war.

They learned this

in the opium wars.

What England did to them, they're doing to us.

Does that stand up?

Absolutely, 100%.

They talk about that.

And here's the thing.

I mean, they are involved in every level from the precursors to the money laundering.

The drug cartels used to launder their money in Latin American banks.

They now launder them in Chinese state-owned banks.

And they actually use

some Chinese students that are here on education visas are the ones that are laundering the money for these cartels.

So here's the problem, Glenn.

That's what China is doing.

And to those of us who have studied China, to a certain extent, that's not surprising.

Here is the shocking, surprising part to me, which is our political class, many of them, will not talk about China's involvement.

And the reason is they are compromised.

You ask, connect the Biden flow of money to a particular policy.

I would say fentanyl.

Think about this reality for a second.

I talk about this in Blood Money.

The guy that leads a Chinese criminal gang called UBG,

this is the criminal gang that set up the Sinaloa cartel in the fentanyl trade and made them the kings of fentanyl.

Everybody acknowledges UBG did that.

The guy that heads it up is Zhang Anlo.

He goes by the name White Wolf.

White Wolf has a business partner who, as I document in the book, sent $5 million to the Biden family.

Now, does Joe Biden really want to have a conversation about Chinese involvement in the fentanyl trade?

No.

And that's why he won't do it.

That's why he won't confront them, even though it is now the leading cause of death for people under the age of 45 in the United States.

It's like a jetliner getting shot down every single day, 365 days a year.

That's what's happening to us.

Joe Biden won't talk about it because he's compromised.

And as I think I also show in the book, the same thing with Gavin Newsom, Mitch McConnell.

Adam Schiff and others.

They do not want to have this conversation because they have entanglements that are very, very embarrassing for them politically.

Talk a little bit about these people, Peter, because as you do in all of your your books,

this isn't a partisan attack.

You go after, you know, when Mitch McConnell is guilty, you go after him.

When Gavin Newsom's the target, you go after him.

So talk a little bit about some of these figures specifically, because it's hard for people to believe that when you're talking about the cost of life that is tied to the fentanyl situation, that people would be this

absent.

with talking about this, but it seems like they are.

No, that's a great question.

I mean, I'll give you the Gavin Newsom part to me was perhaps the most surprising.

You know, Governor of California obviously recently took a trip to China where he talked about how he just loves the Chinese government.

He talked to them about fentanyl, but emphasized it's not about finger pointing.

The one people he did point fingers at when he was in China was Republicans in the United States saying that they're too hard on Beijing.

So, you know, in California since 2016, you've had a 1,200% increase in fentanyl deaths.

Gavin Newsom does not want to talk about China's role.

Why is that?

Well, when you look back into his history, beginning when he was mayor in San Francisco, he has a long time relationship collaboration with figures that we know are involved in Chinese organized crime.

When he was mayor of San Francisco, he appointed a gentleman named Alan Long

to head up redevelopment, economic redevelopment in Chinatown, San Francisco.

Turns out the guy was a dragonhead in an organized crime syndicate, Chinese organized crime syndicate, that was involved in the drug trade.

He had a gentleman on his transition team as mayor of San Francisco.

Turns out he was also involved in the organized crime efforts, Chinese organized crime, involved in the drug trade.

Then when he set up as mayor of San Francisco something called China SF, this was designed to get Chinese investments into San Francisco for economic growth.

He picks a guy named Vincent Lowe, a Chinese businessman, who it's already been reported has ties to Chinese organized crime.

But that's the one guy that Gavin Newsom signs a memorandum of understanding to with China SF.

And you have to ask yourself, why on earth is he doing that?

And as I also point out in Blood Money, that meant that

triad or Chinese organized crime businesses that are tied to them now came into the Bay Area.

And they were actually brought into the Bay Area through this program Gavin Newsom set up called China SF.

Now, I'm not suggesting that Gavin Newsom is involved in the drug trade, but what I am saying is he made some really, really, really bad decisions.

And I think he knew he made decisions that he was doing business with because he thought it was politically expedient.

And that, you know, the history goes forward from there.

But my point is, Gavin Newsom does not want to talk about China's involvement, Chinese organized crime involvement in the fentanyl trade, because that's going to open up lots of questions about him and the relationships that he has.

So he's making a politically expedient decision, even though Californians are dying every single day from this poisoning that's being engineered by China.

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the precedent of Marbury versus Madison, judicial review, that you can come in and review and change things and

explain, pretend I don't know what that case is.

Okay, so Marbury versus Madison, the way it's generally understood, and this is one of the changes when we did some research and realized that the way it's being used today is a misrepresentation of what it was.

But the way it's taught is...

No, no, wait.

Tell me what it is first.

What brought what case, what is it?

So Marbury v.

Madison, it was a case

where Marbury was initially serving under John Adams' presidency.

Jefferson becomes president.

And there's multiple judicial appointments, last-minute midnight appointments.

Right.

And Marshall's the guy who is supposed to deliver all these appointments, get all these judges there.

And he has 24 hours to do it.

And they don't all get delivered in time.

Jefferson is in office the next day and apparently some of these appointments were left on a desk and Jefferson sees them and he's like, yeah, we're not going to do that.

And so they are not given even though Adams made the appointment, they were not delivered.

So are they actually judges or not?

Are they supposed to hold this position or not?

This is the case that goes before the Supreme Court.

Well, the Supreme Court then determines that, yeah, these guys really should have their positions because it was given an appointment.

Where it becomes fascinating is the Supreme Court justice that delivered the decision was

the same guy who failed to deliver

those things in the first place.

Oh my gosh.

He was one of the appointments that he made the Supreme Court.

Wow.

When the case gets to the Supreme Court, he's the one.

So instead of recanting and saying, like, I shouldn't be here, well, then it gets even deeper and there's even more details.

So what happens is this is really the first time you see pure departisanship among the founding fathers.

Because John adams is a hardcore federalist thomas jefferson is non-partisan he doesn't think you ought to have a party he thinks you ought to have principles but he's running against against adams and adams says well you're not a federalist so you're a bad guy so it's a really vicious vicious vicious campaign this is the campaign where uh adams says oh your daughter's heads will be on a pike after after Jefferson is elected.

Your children will be raped and murdered.

Oh,

the sermons that were preached by each side against the other.

We get got sermons that it's just uncomfortable.

And to clarify, it wasn't Adams saying that, but it was people on Adams' side that were saying that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And Jefferson went back and said

that Adams was

a hermaphrodite

figure, having neither the firmness of a man or the

what was it, the wisdom of a woman, something like that.

That's right.

And so what happens with this thing is this is where this actually led to a constitutional amendment because it was back then that when you got elected president, it was four months until the next president took office.

So you've got a four-month lame duck period.

And in that four months, John Adams, and he's got a Federalist Congress and the House and Senate.

He said, all right, let's do everything we can to put laws in place that Jefferson can't change.

And so for four months, they're legislating like crazy.

And that's where the Marbury Madison comes from is because what happens is Jefferson

is a nonpartisan guy.

And he thinks the courts ought to be just read the Constitution.

And Adams is more, no, it needs to be the Federalist view of the Constitution.

That's amazing.

And so Adams comes up with 58 judgeships.

The Congress created 58 new judgeships so he could stack the courts with his guys.

And then when Jefferson gets in, he's going to have these 58 new judges.

So he gives all, they get the judicial commissions.

It's called signed, sealed, and delivered.

They make the commission.

Then John Adams signs it.

Then they put the seal of the United States on it, and the Secretary of State delivers that to the judge.

And that's signed, sealed, and delivered.

That's where the phrase comes from.

So he did that for all these things, except, as Tim pointed out, your Secretary of State was John Marshall.

John Marshall.

And what Adams does, he says, well, to really reinforce the Supreme Court, I'm going to put my Secretary of State as Chief Justice of the U.S.

Supreme Court.

So he appoints Marshall to be the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

Holy cow.

So this is what they're doing, the left does now.

Exactly.

But what the argument is today is that you're supposed to have judicial review, that the Supreme Court can look and they can overturn things.

And from the very beginning, this was wrong.

And John Marshall shouldn't have been a part of this case to begin with because

he was the one supposed to deliver them as Secretary of State.

He did not.

So there's so many things about this, but the way it's...

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

This is where judicial review is.

This is where it comes from.

And it's on such a flawed historical basis.

And I'll tell you, what's really interesting, too, is if you'll look at judicial review, the right of the Supreme Court to review legislative actions and strike them down, that's what's taught in every law book today.

You're not going to find that taught in the 1800s or the 1700s.

That's a 20th century thing that progressives picked up.

And so what happened...

So wait, wait, wait.

It didn't change things at the time.

No.

It was brought up by the progressives later.

Later.

As the example of how you should do it.

It's very similar to when the progressives brought up Jefferson's phrase, separation of church and state, and used it right in the 1950s, 60s, and 70s to remove religion.

When if you go back and read Jefferson's letter, he's not talking about removing religion.

He's talking about protecting

religion from the government, but this is what progressives did.

And in the midst of this, what's also contrary to the way it's understood today is that, well, Jefferson didn't deliver any of those.

No, Jefferson actually took what was left and he actually reviewed and said, you know, some of these people actually make sense to be judges, but then there were some.

He's like, we don't need like dozens of judges in this one little area.

We don't need more than 20 judges just in Washington, D.C.

alone.

And that's a brand new city.

Why do you need 20 judges?

And so he says we don't need to.

Because you can do what they're doing today.

That's right.

But literally, he says, we don't need all these judges.

So he made a very practical, pragmatic decision and said, we're not going to give all these out.

But Marlbury is one of the guys who didn't get the appointment.

So it goes to the Supreme Court.

John Marshall's like, yeah, that really should have been delivered to you.

And it's a shame it wasn't.

We're going to uphold this position.

Well, he was the one that was supposed to deliver it.

Nonetheless, these are things as we start.

And right, I mean, I understand right now we're getting into the weeds of some of these stories that for history people is fun.

That's not what the majority of the book is about.

Our premise with the book is that the majority of people would know the names of Washington, Adams, Jefferson, Madison, right?

Maybe even an Andrew Jackson.

We know those names.

But if we were to ask people, can you tell me a story of James Madison?

And they might say, well, he wrote the Constitution.

And we'd say, well, that's a fact regarding.

That's not a story about him.

We don't know their stories anymore.

And because we don't know their stories, we don't know the examples.

We don't know the lessons, the precedent.

All we know are the weeds.

Right.

That's right.

And so often what we know is not actually correct about them.

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