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So, Donald Trump is back in the news standing by his threat not to defend any NATO members who don't meet the defense spending targets.

He's made into looking like a big bad guy.

This is a treaty.

This is something that we all agreed to.

And if you're not paying your fair share, why should we continue to pay the bulk of it to protect you?

No, this is a treaty.

You signed it.

Live up to the treaty and we'll live up to our side of the treaty.

I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

And by the way, once he said that,

lo and behold, some of the NATO countries started stepping up and going, oh, I don't know.

I just found this in my couch.

I thought I had delivered it to NATO.

And

good thing I was vacuuming the couch behind the cushions there.

I don't have a problem with this.

Pat Gray joins us from Pat Gray Unleashed.

Hello, Pat.

Hello.

How are things?

Do you, I mean, have a problem with the NATO members opponenting Donald Trump?

No.

Yeah.

Why is he made to look like such a bad guy and like we're like they're Ethiopia or something?

Yeah, well,

he does put things rather boldly from time to time.

Yeah.

But I personally appreciate that.

And I've gotten used to it.

It's like, okay, come on.

You know, he uses hyperbole.

So

relax on that.

Would you please?

You don't think he really really is going to encourage Russia to roll over every European nation?

I'm thinking probably not.

Probably not.

Probably not.

Yeah.

So I'm not offended by it, frankly.

Well, he does have that twitchy eye, which I so appreciate.

An American president.

Yeah.

You know, it's like Biden has a twitchy eye, but it only affects the American people.

Everybody else around the world are like, oh, he's insane.

And now's our time.

With the American people, when Biden says something, you're like, I think he's talking about us.

Yeah, I think he's going to attack Texas.

We should maybe take Carlton.

But he might nuke Houston.

I'm not really sure.

Now, the other thing that

Trump is doing now, he's in the news today in the Washington Examiner for talking with Tulsi Gabbard about the future of the Defense Department.

I don't think I would have a problem with Secretary of Defense Gabbard, would you?

I, you know, I don't know enough about her positions on defense to really say

yes.

She might be okay, but I wouldn't be my first choice.

That's for sure.

I mean, I would like to know more,

but her stance on war is, you know, pretty much stay out of it.

I think all of ours are stay out of it.

But she's also, wasn't she a former fighter pilot, Stu?

Yeah.

Yeah.

She was in the military.

I do remember that.

And actually in wars, I kind of like people running the Pentagon that have actually been at war, so they know the cost.

Yeah,

I mean, she definitely is on, I think, much more aligned with the sort of new Republican leanings on this topic than

the people who have been in control of previous Republican administrations, right?

Like, I mean, look, she obviously was a very far-left Democrat, right?

I mean, and so she aligned

Bernie Sanders with Bernie Sanders.

So I don't know that I would say, hey, that Bernie Sanders volunteer is, I want as a Secretary of Defense, but I do, she, I understand why the conversation is there.

She's obviously, um, you know, has a lot to offer and talk about, and she is smart and served with honor in our, in our military, which is not nothing.

It's a big deal.

She reminds me of RFK Jr.

because he has also enamored some conservatives.

But I think it's way premature to start thinking, hey, maybe RFK Jr.

is the guy.

No.

Right.

No.

No.

Please don't.

Tulsi.

I've seen enough of Tulsi.

Now, I'd like to hear her speak directly to DEI and everything else that the Pentagon is doing.

If she wouldn't say the number one thing is to cut all of that out to the bone, it's a cancer.

If she wouldn't say that and mean it and back it up with some actions of, you know, whatever, I'd like to see a pattern there.

But I would be fine with her.

I like people who have been to war, know that there are times that you have to fight a war, but you don't have to be involved in everything.

All we need to do is just restore the military back to the honorable military it used to be.

You know, no more drag shows,

quite honestly.

Let's not focus on that.

Let's do what the Pentagon should do, and that is

find

better ways to kill people than our enemies are coming up with.

Can we compromise on this?

Just like no more drag shows on Tuesdays.

Keep the weekends free-flowing to the end of the day.

I think you got to hide.

I don't think so.

None?

Yeah, no, no, none.

Wow.

You know what's a hard task?

Wow.

I think Donald Trump should announce his vice president and some of his cabinet

positions.

He should look at Secretary of Defense.

Who could he get that we know would be rock solid and cut all of this crap out?

Yeah, I mean,

does he?

I mean, does he need to do that?

I think that's one of the questions he politically would ask there, right?

Like, does he need maybe for the general?

Yeah, maybe for the general.

He certainly doesn't need it now.

No, he doesn't need it for the primary means.

No, that's

not in question.

If he could have really solid people around him,

it would bode well.

And I think you could get some independents who are like, I'm not sure

who's really, really strong on defense.

And, you know, quite honestly, for the independents,

as long as they're not...

No, as long as they're in lockstep, that he's the president and they'll do what he's asking them to do.

I don't mind people like Tulsi Gabbard.

I think the youth of America is much more into new players that may have changed their minds on some things,

that can work together, that are just there to get the job done.

And if I'm not mistaken, Trump considered Gabbard for a role previously in his administration.

And, you know, they

like Trump came from, we talked about this back in 2015, 2016.

Trump was always pitched in the media like this maniac who wanted to start wars all the time.

But really his history had been the opposite.

I mean, he always

opposed to going into Iraq even.

Most of the time.

Most of the time.

I mean, he kind of had a couple moments where he had gone back and forth on that.

But he, generally speaking, has been skeptical of foreign conflicts long before he was president of the United States.

I really appreciate now 20 years later.

I really do.

And look, people change too.

I mean, know, one of the things that came out in recent reporting was that one of the people that Donald Trump was considering back in 2016 when he eventually landed on Mike Pence for VP was Nikki Haley, right?

Like, and now here they are

against each other in the primary.

Like, so there are, you know, people change.

And I think, you know, you can go back and look at where Tulsi Gabbard was, you know, when she was supporting Bernie Sanders and say, like, maybe, you know, she's had some awakenings on some of those fronts.

But I mean, what her view is of international conflict, I think, is pretty consistent with that view of Bernie Sanders, which is basically stay out of all of it.

And I think pretty consistent with where Trump has generally been.

Though, as you point out, his approach is certainly different.

Like his approach is more like, I'm going to have a very tough outer framing of these things.

You know, I'm going to, you know, we're going to rain down fire on North Korea.

But that's a statement, not a policy.

The policy tends to be

more restrained in trying to stay out of those things.

And it's the opposite.

And people went after him for his Russia stuff.

Well, his Russia policies were much more aggressive versus Russia than anything Barack Obama offered.

He talked about trying to be friends with Vladimir Putin and talked about trying to smooth those things over.

But his actual policy towards Russia was strong.

Way stronger than Biden's.

Way stronger.

Oh, that's for sure.

At least going back years, for sure.

So let me switch topics here.

Something that came out yesterday was Barbara Lee of California.

She argued that we,

and this used to be a joke with us, she argued on Monday that the federal minimum wage should be $50

per hour.

And she said, it's all about math.

Just do the math.

And I've done the math.

I think that brings a hamburger from McDonald's up to between $15 and $20

a burger.

You know,

that shows you've never actually been a part of business or understand

how business works.

That would mean massive unemployment.

Oh, my gosh.

McDonald's and all of them.

Yeah.

And McDonald's would go in and they would fire absolutely every human.

They would find a way to put automation in every fast food place.

You would lose so many jobs if you actually did that.

And so many companies would go out of business.

It's $96,000 a year.

You know, at McDonald's, if you're cooking the burgers,

really?

Are they going to have to pay every employee at least $96,000?

That can't happen.

It just can't happen.

Minimum wage.

It means that that is for the entry level.

That's for the

menu.

To support a family of six.

No.

It's not mentors.

It's not.

I know this sounds silly and ridiculous, and it is, of course, in reality.

But like, this is a, this is, we felt the same way when they said 15 the first time.

Yeah.

And now these places are all doing this.

And like, yes, you could go and try to implement socialism.

It's really hard, really hard to do that in America.

But you know, it has an 85% approval rating raising the minimum wage yeah and they do this all the time it's an underhanded way to get these policies in because no of course you can't pay everybody 50 50 an hour but the higher they get it the more you're redistributing wealth but that's what they're doing it's it's it's an underhanded way to implement those policies except who does it hurt the most I mean, I would argue it's the people who

make $0 as their minimum wage because that is the actual minimum.

And that's what people will make because nobody can pay this.

Yes.

Yeah.

So they don't lose, they can lose jobs completely.

But what happens?

Again, you know, follow this more than a couple of steps, right?

Like you get the situation where these people can't get jobs at all because they're not worth $50 an hour.

So they automate these jobs, they get to zero dollars an hour, and then the government comes in and takes tax money from rich people and gives it to them.

It's the exact policy they want to implement.

It's just another way of doing it.

And unfortunately, it's much, much more successful.

And many conservatives will jump on board, not for $50 an hour, but for raising it from wherever

25, 18, I agree.

25.

And that federal, she's talking about San Francisco.

Fine, if that's what you want to do in San Francisco, do that in San Francisco.

But that is completely unreasonable for most of America.

New York, Los Angeles, San Francisco, maybe.

So you do that.

The federal government should not be dictating to all states and cities.

Period.

Shouldn't be.

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Investigative journalist and Blaze Media correspondent Steve Baker joins us now.

Hi, Steve.

Hey, good morning, Glenn.

Weren't you supposed to be in jail by now?

Yeah,

you know, that was where I'd planned to spend the first quarter of this year or so.

The FBI, the last we spoke to you, the FBI had just notified, I think, your attorney, that they were going to come pick you up for crimes unknown yet.

They haven't told you

why they are going to arrest you, but they said they would be doing it in January, did they not?

Yeah, crimes against humanity.

That's what I'm calling it right now myself.

But it's

one of those things yet again where the DOJ has left me hanging.

The first time after their first threat, they left me alone for 20 months, and then they showed up again with a grand jury subpoena.

Then they left me alone for five months.

And then they showed up again here just before Christmas.

And we backed them off, I think, with the media

offensive that we did, a response.

And then they talked to my attorney just before New Year's and said that my self-surrender would be required sometime in mid-January.

They'd give me seven, 10 days' notice of that.

And then they went silent again.

And so we haven't heard from them.

Here we are mid-February, and we know nothing.

I mean, just so people understand what the government is doing to people, and it's not just Steve, this is happening all over with regular people.

The DOJ is screwing with people's lives and, quite honestly, their sanity.

Imagine you're being told by the FBI with an unlimited amount of money to convict or to harass or to

build a case against you.

You have to think, oh my gosh, at any time, I may be going to jail.

I may have to be fighting this, and none of this is true.

And then they just leave.

So that just, that just hangs in your life forever.

And then they call back, just as you're getting comfortable, I guess they forgot about me.

They call back.

It's honestly like a cancer center calling you and saying, hey, we have your results and it looks like you have cancer.

We'll let you know next week.

And then you don't hear from them and you can't get them on the phone.

Do I have cancer or not?

It's really cruel, really cruel.

All right, so Steve, you have

brought us footage now.

This is never before seen.

You released it earlier this week on Blaze Media.

And it is footage of the January 6th pipe bomb and the, well, I would say the elimination of it, but we don't actually see that.

Set this clip up, will you?

Yeah, the first clip that we have that we released two days ago was the actual and most important cameras that were used in the investigation scene.

We're talking about a camera that had been in a fixed position.

We were able to go on the CCTV camera viewing room and go back as far back as December 28th of 2020 and look.

And we see that that one camera number is called number 3173 had not moved for at least eight days prior to January 6th.

And then the bomb was called in by the Capitol Police plain clothes officer.

You remember we reported that here about three weeks ago.

And then

when that officer made that report and then we saw the very lackadaisical response by the Secret Service.

Letting kids walk by the pipe bomb within feet of the pipe bomb.

Yeah, glad they didn't do anything.

They were literally finishing their sandwiches.

in their vehicle before they got out of the car to respond to a bomb with the the vice president-elect 15 feet away inside that building.

I mean, this is how absurd this situation is.

But nevertheless, on this camera, we see suddenly it is taken control of by the Capitol Police Command Center.

They have an area where their big viewing room is and where their camera operators are.

It's called the pit.

And when that was called in, four minutes after that plainclothes officer reported that, that camera starts zooming for the first time and it starts scanning and it's panning around and it's looking for the bomb and then it pulls back and it does this and it moves around for about 20 or 30 minutes before finally

somebody told that camera operator to move that camera off of the investigative scene and it was pitched to a hard right 90 degrees away from that and it remained there until at least midnight of January 6th because I went and looked at all of those videos all the way to the end of the day.

So it is it is amazing to me because the, if I am not mistaken, the, well, let's watch the report.

Here it is.

Capitol CC TV camera number 3173

was the most important camera covering the DNC pipe bomb story event.

You've probably already seen Thomas Massey's release of the video in which it appears that a Capitol Police plainclothes officer has discovered the bomb and has alerted the Secret Service and the Metro Police officers that were on the scene.

You've probably also already seen the bomb-sniffing dog and you may have already also seen the arrival of then Vice President-elect Kamala Harris's motorcade.

What you haven't seen is, well, what somebody in the Capitol Police Command Center didn't want us to see.

And that's the actual investigation of the bomb scene.

What we're going to show you now is how they hid that from us.

What we were able to access from the Capitol CCTV viewing room is how long that camera, number 3173, had remained in that fixed position.

We were able to go back as far as December 28th of 2020, just eight days or so before the events of January 6th.

And from that review, we could see that the camera's positioning was in that fixed position for days, weeks, months.

But ultimately, it was only just these very few minutes after the bomb's discovery that that camera began to move.

The camera then began to move, pan, zoom in, looking for the bomb itself.

The one thing that we know for sure is that camera 3173 was the most crucial of all the cameras.

It had the closest and the clearest view of what law enforcement's response, what their investigation, and ultimately the destruction and detonation or the attempted detonation of the bomb would be by the bomb squad robot.

But inexplicably, and I'm getting tired of using that word every single time we do one of these investigations, but that seems to be the key word when it's related to January 6th, is that at approximately 1.40 p.m., camera number 3173 was remotely directed away from the scene at about a 90 degree angle, and then it remained in this newly fixed position away from the investigation for the rest of the day, or at least until midnight on January 6th.

Now it might be assumed that this was an error, an accident, an oversight.

Maybe somebody bumped the joystick on camera number 3173 until we then review camera number 8020.

As we are seeing the robot deployed down the street headed towards the bomb,

someone again directs camera 8020 away from the investigation scene and then affixes it once again, it seems like at a hard right 90 degree angle away from

the investigation once again.

It's incredible.

Why would they turn those cameras away from the investigative scene?

Who ordered those cameras to be turned away?

What were we not allowed to see?

All right, so Steve, give us some updates on what else we have found.

I know I read today that

there were

bomb-sniffing dogs in the area, and

they gave no indication.

And I know, because I've had a bomb-sniffing dog before,

they are relentless.

And they would have found it had it had any explosives in it, don't you think?

I would think so, especially as haphazardly as this particular device was

put together.

And this is even more important, Glenn.

This is really the latest and most developing part of this story, is we did, in fact, acquire the images of the destruction of this bomb by the bomb robot.

In fact, we now have it up.

It's up on YouTube right now, so it's about to be distributed across all the Blaze platforms today.

Wow.

It is now up.

But this is the story behind that, is that as late as 9 o'clock on Wednesday night, when I was supposed to have these videos in my Dropbox from Congress, I received a call from a senior congressional aide who said, sorry, we cannot give you these scenes and these images.

Why?

We are being told that the technology is classified and it's sensitive and what has was used to destroy the pipe bomb at the DNC headquarters.

To which I responded, Glenn, I said,

BS,

because I said you can go look on the Department of Homeland Security's website and read the destruction of the,

or the, read the information with images and video of the exact type of water disruptor cannon that was used to blow apart that bomb and it's available freely to the public as a matter of fact you can buy this system yourself online and the patent holder has given it away for free anybody can use it and yet they were the the the powers that be were telling me we could not have it actually they were lying to the congress members and telling them that they couldn't give it to me because and then what ended up happening and thank goodness you had him on here a week or so ago but Representative Barry Lautermilk intervened

and we want to look him and his staff have been just absolutely invaluable to our investigations and our research but they intervened and by seven o'clock yesterday morning we had the video

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So, Steve, where does this go from here?

I mean, this seems to me to be

a diversion

because they were both discovered about five minutes before the Capitol was

stormed.

Do you think this was to pull Capitol police

off of the Capitol and bring them here?

What do you think this was supposed to do?

They were diversions, and they were meant to diminish the force that was available to protect the Capitol that day.

There's just no other way.

There's no other reasonable explanation because the first bomb, the RNC bomb, was found about 10 or 15 minutes before that first barricade breach, the famous Ray Epps barricade breach line happened.

That happened at 12.52 p.m.

The bomb was found about 10 minutes before that.

Then the bomb or the breach happens at 1252.

This group of people storm up to the West Terrace.

They begin to form another line up there.

And they've already had to divert dozens of officers away from the Capitol, an already diminished police force anyway, because of the COVID protocols and because they did not want the, as they said, they didn't want

the optics of extra security there at the Capitol that day.

And particularly guys wearing the hard units or the National Guard, you know, the robocop looking guys.

They didn't want any of that optics there that day.

So what does it tell you that the investigators

weren't really allowed to investigate?

They tracked one guy to, I think, a home in Virginia, and then they were told, go away by the FBI.

Just leave it alone.

There's nothing to see here.

What would the motivation be for a government that is trying to track down every grandmother who is anywhere near the Capitol

to not pay attention to this?

Why would they issue a $500,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of this bomber and then take the extra step of hiding all of the evidence from us?

I told them when they did it, I said, just make it $5 million.

You're not planning on giving it away anyway.

You know,

it's just so clear, you know, that there may have been, you know, bad guys, you know, that were Trump supporters or not Trump supporters, but there was this group of people, and all of the real leaders, the ones who, like

Ray Epps, were causing people to go in and encouraging them to go in.

You've got the guy on the tower,

the scaffolding that they can't find.

They've got the two pipe bomb people.

You can't find them.

It just screams.

Set up.

Almost to a man, every single Capitol Police officer retired, who left the job, who are still active with the force, they all believe that they were set up that day.

The only ones who won't admit that are the existing leadership, but that's another story, and we're working on that as well.

Steve, thank you so much.

I hope you stay out of jail.

You know that we're with you.

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More footage, as he just said, exclusive, now being released by Blaze Media.

The best of the Glenbeck program.

Ronan and Orna Nutra

are joining me now.

They are in Israel currently.

Their son, who decided to take

a leave of his studies, defer his studies at the University in New York.

He was going to serve time in the Israeli army.

He was captured while serving as a tank commander near the Gaza border on October 7th.

We welcome his parents now, Rona and Orna.

Ronan?

Thank you.

Thank you for having us.

You bet.

Thank you, Orna.

Tell me about, first of all, your son.

Who was he?

What was he doing?

Yeah, so Omer is 22 years old.

He turned 22

a week after being kidnapped by Hamas.

He was born in New York City

one month after 9-11.

I was working at the city at the time.

And I remember clearly crossing the Queensborough Bridge by foot because there was no public transportation that day with him in my belly and also thinking to myself, how can this be that this horror is happening in New York?

And unfortunately, we're in this crazy terrorist act right now involved, you know.

And

so he was born in New York.

He grew up on Long Island,

to some extent an all-American kid, you know, loves the NBA, loves NFL.

He's a basketball player.

he's the captain of his

he was the captain of his volleyball team of the captain of the basketball team in the school

always kind of taking these leadership roles he's he's very friendly he's very social

he you know he walks into a room with a lot of new kids he thinks about the potential you know who's going to be my friend

and

Yeah,

so

yeah.

Orna,

you said, you know, he was in your belly on September 11th as you're walking

across the bridge.

Now it comes almost full circle, same kind of mentality, same

lust for blood,

and they took him hostage.

That just is such an incredible loop there.

When did you know that he was taken hostage, and what have you heard since?

So we spoke to him on October 6th.

You know we had a very close relationship although he was in Israel and we are in New York usually.

And we spoke to him the night before.

Everything seemed very calm.

Actually, it was a very tense month on the border.

His job was to protect the villages, the Kibbutzim that are on the border.

And

it was the month of the Jewish holidays, and there was a lot of tension there.

And finally, it looked like things had calmed down.

Now we know it was, you know, all planned.

Calm before the storm, yeah.

Yeah.

And he was just looking for a relaxing weekend, you know, with

his team.

He was looking to do some team building.

And so, you know, we...

it was like a regular day.

And only a few hours later, you know, the war broke out.

Well, little didn't we know, Glenn,

that 3,000 terrorists, Hamas terrorists, will rush and gush into Israel,

kill

40 American citizens.

And I'm not sure if your audience is aware of it.

40 American citizens were murdered that day, and 1,500 Israelis together were murdered, and they took hostage 240

young babies,

elderly,

women,

and children, as well as a few soldiers.

So it's outrageous

what happened on October 7.

And I don't think a lot of people realize it.

And right now,

even though 40 Americans were killed, and murdered that day, there are still six hostages, American hostages, kept in Gaza under gunpoint alive, plus two that we are noted are dead and their bodies are still kept in Gaza.

So tell me, Ronan, I mean, I know you've spoken to the president,

and, you know, I say this because if I were in your situation, I would honestly, I think it's totally natural to say, you know, screw, we don't negotiate with terrorists.

I would want something done, anything done to rescue my my son.

But

I don't feel like enough is being done.

I mean, I don't know why we haven't sent in special forces, and it doesn't seem like this is a priority

for America.

Do you feel that way?

I am not sure.

Let me tell you how I feel.

We're very grateful for President Biden's administration that are working around the clock to try and secure and release all the 134 hostages, working

with

the partners in the area, Egypt and Qatar, and of course with Israel.

But here's the thing, after four months,

we are challenging the assumption that the release of the American hostages will be part of the overall release of all hostages.

It hasn't happened.

Our boy, together with five other living Americans, is being held hostage and is not released by any deal.

And we're very, very worried because the conditions there are terrible.

The Red Cross is not allowed to get in.

We know that they are tortured.

We know that they are hardly fed.

We know they haven't seen medical condition.

What needs to happen, Glenn, for the United States to step up and say, we are going to save our own people?

I have to tell you, it's not just about your son.

By not doing these things, you make it dangerous for Americans all around the world.

You cannot take American citizens and hold them hostage.

We have to respond to this by trying to rescue them.

And

it's just so muddy and murky now with the world.

I mean, to me, it is so crystal clear

you are dealing with barbarians and

you're dealing with barbarians.

They don't care about life.

And we do.

And

I just wish that I had confidence

in our nation right now that we could even pull something off and find them.

What is the last...

How do you know your...

I don't mean to be...

horrible on this.

How do you know your son is still alive?

So, first of all, I want to say that it is very complicated, Glenn, because as far as we understand, they're being held in this underground

maze of tunnels, right?

And a rescue attempt such as you're suggesting could be very, very dangerous.

Yes, I am.

So, you know,

I'm not saying,

honestly, I want you to know I'm not suggesting a plan.

I just don't feel like the American people are even really aware

or care.

The media certainly doesn't seem to feel that way.

I mean, it's that we've been lost.

I think we're the only broadcast that every day we have a counter on the side of the screen that says American hostages still in Gaza.

Day today is 132.

I mean, I felt the same way when it happened to our hostages in Iran.

This is a very big deal.

This is even even a more complex situation because we're not dealing with a nation.

We're dealing with a bunch of terrorists.

And we really appreciate you having the day clock on yours.

We are wearing a daily badge right now, 132 days.

I can't even believe that we have reached such a

milestone of over four months.

It's unbelievable.

Something has to be done.

And we are urging all the partners and we're putting a lot of pressure.

That's why we're in Israel.

We're putting a lot of pressure on the Netanyahu administration to negotiate.

Part of the issues that we see right now is that the negotiation is not going in the right direction.

All the parties were in Cairo this week, and

Prime Minister Netanyahu pulled the Israeli representatives and told them to go back.

We're very concerned about that.

So, can I ask you,

because this is such a complex thing.

You know, Netanyahu is getting a lot of heat from the United Nations and many nations who, again, I don't think really care about or understand,

not that I do, what it's like to be a Jew.

There's no place safe on earth except perhaps Israel because you have a right to defend yourself.

Everywhere else, it's like you're just a visitor.

You're just, you know, you're not really, yeah, you're a citizen, but you're a Jew.

And that is horrible.

And every time the world goes into this kind of darkness, that's when countries just start to separate their citizens and their Jews.

And I got to tell you,

I would not negotiate with these people if it meant that we had to leave some of them, you know, still in charge with capabilities to do this again, because they will.

right, but it's a catch-22.

You realize that, right?

Yeah, I do.

I do.

I want to also, you know, you mentioned that Israel

is the only Jewish state, really, and it was established after the Holocaust.

And both my father and Monin's father are Holocaust survivors.

Yes, and they came to Israel and were of the founders of Israel exactly for this reason.

And again, you know, it's just unfathomable that, you know,

my father has to be in this predicament where he knows that his grandchild was abducted by this terrorist

organization that just broke into the borders of this country.

And like you said, we have to fight over the empathy and the narrative of all of this is going on right now, you know, to defend ourselves in this situation.

And that's exactly why our son Omer, part of the reasons why he decided to move to Israel to to get to another country and to serve the country, is because of his heritage, his understanding that somebody has to do it.

The Jewish state has to be protected.

And unfortunately, he was in that spot next to the Gaza border when he was abducted.

But now we need to get him back.

That's our job.

We are all over the place.

I met with the Prime Minister of Qatar in Doha.

I urged him and I thanked him for what he did for the first release.

But they have to continue.

They have to put all the possible pressure on Hamas to release all the other hostages.

And of course, the Americans, six Americans among them,

it has to be done.

And we don't have time.

Everybody seems to have time.

We don't have time.

Those hostages are dying.

I know.

I know they are.

I want to urge you, if

you want to learn more about this, you can go to stories.bringthemhome now.net.

I don't know what the solution is, Orna and Ronan, but

we will pray for your son and all of the hostages.

You're in an impossible situation.

And just as a dad, my heart goes out to both of you.

God bless you both.

Thank you, Denny.