Best of the Program | Guest: Dinesh D’Souza | 10/23/23

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You're listening to the best of the Blend Beck program.

That is filling in for Stu today, who is off again.

I don't know.

I mean, he's practically Johnny Carson, if anybody remembers him.

It's easier to remember the days he was here.

I think it was last

Wednesday.

Yeah, it's kind of like with us, it's like, when were you gone?

Oh, it was Christmas.

And then over the New Year holiday, yeah, right.

Spring break.

With Stu, it's like, when was he here?

Oh, yeah, that day.

That was a special day.

Yeah.

That was a special day.

According to reports now, up to six Chinese warships are currently stationed in the Middle East.

China's People Liberation Army, the CPLA, reported engagement in a joint military exercise with Omani Navy while visiting Oman.

Again, it's like, you know,

when Mexico got their hostages, you know, or their people out of Israel?

And they used their air force, I thought to myself, I didn't even know Mexico had an air force.

Same thing with Oman.

Don't know I can even find it on a map.

And they have a navy.

That's cute.

No, it's cute.

It's kind of probably a little like,

you know, the Cayman Islands and

the British

Virgin Islands.

Or do they just use British ships?

Because I don't think they're British still anymore.

No.

It got rid of those occupiers.

I'll tell you that right now.

So

the Navy

Escort Task Force

is now by Kuwait, which is right there

near

Iran, which I think is really, really...

No, seriously, it's exciting.

Now, my question is, why has Israel not responded?

What

is happening there?

Now, I've got a couple of ideas on this.

One,

the New York Times is reporting that the U.S.

is advising Israel to delay the Gaza invasion for needed hostage negotiation.

Now, apparently two Americans got out.

The

Palestinians have returned two American hostages over the weekend.

I love it that we're working with Qatar.

Because, you know, they're, I mean, they're just the number one funder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

So, and that's, you know, big,

big funder and founder of

Hamas.

So that's really good.

I hope we gave them some money in exchange for these hostages.

I don't know if it's about the hostages as much as it is a very convenient way for the United States to delay any kind of ground invasion until all the media turns on Israel.

Because that's what's happening.

They're already saying, they haven't even even done anything yet.

They're like, they're such a bad country.

They're going to kill all these people.

And

if they would have acted last week or the week before,

you would have seen more sympathy.

But

I think this is a complete

game that the White House is playing.

to keep Bibi Netanyahu and the Israelis from not striking.

However, there is another possibility.

Obviously, you know, I'm not in the rooms advising anyone, but I did think,

are they just preparing to go to the head of the snake?

Now, I don't think so,

but we do know that Israel, I mean, Iran now has one nuclear weapon and are just about to develop its second nuclear weapon.

So is it possible that they are just going to target

Iran, its clerics, or its nuclear facilities?

Now the nuclear facility is supposedly buried

so deep that you're not supposed to be able to knock it out with any kind of conventional weapon.

The army seems ready to go.

They've been ready for a few days.

Aerial bombardments meant to prepare the ground, you know, are meeting with diminishing returns now at this point.

And the widely accepted reason over in Israel is international

pressure,

plus the long train of visiting dignitaries and possible negotiations.

The problem with the latter is that Hamas will probably go for the drip-drip approach, meaning to drag out more time and the media will continue to turn on Israel.

If they're going to target Iran, most likely they'll target the nuclear installations.

What was the reactor?

They did this in like 1981, I think.

And,

you know, they went after the reactor and it was good.

Now, maybe if the main operation is successful this time,

you'll see the Mossad taking out a few top scientists scientists and military leaders as we have in the past.

But,

you know, Gad Saad said that this would take incredible, I'm quoting, testicular fortitude.

And

I don't know, most are saying it can't be done different from 1981, blah, blah, blah.

It's difficult, but they all said that it couldn't be done back in 1981 as well.

I mean, you know, the Tom Cruise guys, they do exist.

They're just, they're probably as short, but not as good looking.

And most of them are probably Israelis.

So, you know, they kind of have this don't mess with us kind of image, but we'll see.

If they can pull it off,

that means the testicular

area may be made out of steel on BB Netanyahu.

I'm not really,

I'm not really sure, but we will continue to

watch this.

Let's see.

There's a couple of other things that would majorly escalate this thing, however.

I think they understand that.

I think we understand that.

And I'm sure the administration is strongly recommending they don't do that.

What are they going to do?

No, I think they should do it.

But

I don't know.

They are the head of the snake.

Right.

And that's the only way to put a stop to this.

Yeah.

And so, but it does escalate things.

So it's I think pretty much anything they're doing.

It's a big decision.

I mean, when I saw that China, now China was there already.

Yeah.

But to have them move their ships in shows, you know, that's Iran and Russia.

So there is an axis of evil, and those three are together.

With us.

Against us.

Yes.

Against us.

Right.

But they're all in the same general vicinity.

I mean,

if this goes wrong, we are at World War III quickly.

No doubt.

Yeah, there's all kinds of things that could go wrong that are just, you know, somebody makes a mistake, there's a hair trigger by somebody, and it's on.

It's a really dangerous situation.

So you have the rest of the world, however, turning, and you look at what's happening around the world.

England is going to turn against Israel because I don't think England's going to have a choice.

I mean,

these countries have allowed themselves to be laid waste

by so many

Islamists.

It's not Islam.

It is Islamists, people who believe that the Quran must be implemented as the highest source of law.

Those guys are crazy.

I know some Muslims that are not crazy,

but they're reformed, and they'd be the first the Islamists would behead.

So they're the kind of people that shut their mouth, you know, in their own community because they don't want to be dead.

But look at what happened over the weekend in London.

It was not good.

It was not good.

And you're starting to see

moves.

There was a,

they won't even give the details of the terrorist strike in London.

Did you hear about this, Pat?

No.

So in London, first of all, the BBC

will not say that Hamas is a terrorist group.

The BBC.

And that's really kind of

not good,

fueling more anti-Irael and anti-Semitism

because

they won't uh say that the Palestinian Hamas was wrong.

Uh, they're saying you know that it's a no, it's a charity, it's a charity, uh-huh.

Sure it is, sure it is.

Uh, there was there was a hit in London, I think it was.

Let me see if I can find this real quick.

There was a hit

where the authorities won't even say

what ex what exactly happened?

They said that it was, yeah, here, pro-Palestinian terror attack.

Alleged terror attack has already been carried out in Britain by an asylum seeker waiting to avenge deaths in Gaza.

According to the Telegraph, the man who came to this country in 2020 told police, look at that, it's 2023.

Yeah.

Okay.

Told police he had carried out the as yet undisclosed action for Palestine.

Newspaper reports the case cannot fully be revealed for legal reasons, but that the suspect is now in custody.

After being arrested, he said he had done it because Israel had killed children in Gaza.

Now that's a bizarre thing.

He's already carried out his mission, but they won't say what it was?

Yeah.

What does that, what kind of,

what is that?

Questions have been raised over why details about the incident have not been disclosed, but security source source told the publication they may be downplaying it so they don't have a repeat attack or copycats attacks.

Nations around the world are on high alert, so-called lone wolf attacks by extremists motivated by the worsening situation in the Middle East.

In Brussels, Belgium, on Monday, a

man with a gun

downed two Swedish football supporters before later being shot dead by the police.

He was motivated by his Palestinian

love because they're just such lovely, charitable people.

He was just giving away bullets.

And so he gives the bullets away too fast for some people.

Who are you to judge?

Who are you to judge?

So you have the terror threat all over Europe going up.

How are you going to, how is France going to handle this if Israel goes in and

bombs Iran or does more with Hamas, you're going to have all of these Western countries say, stop it, stop it right now, because they'll be in trouble.

So you're going to, what, sacrifice the Jewish state?

Is that what happens?

I saw

foretold somewhere too.

Somewhere.

I'm trying to think.

It's weird, too, isn't it?

It was like...

Was it Michael Bouble who foretold that?

I think it was a book.

Fly me to the moon where all the nations gather around you.

Yeah, that's what it was.

Yeah, something like that.

Yeah, they're all against Israel or something.

Yeah, something.

And do you remember how we never, I mean, when we talked about this 30 years ago together,

we didn't, we couldn't understand how we'd be on the wrong side of that.

Yeah.

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Earlier today in today's podcast, I

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They're going to start with about 10 candidates in a caucus,

and then outside,

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There's a couple of other things.

You know,

Pat and I were just, you know, talking about, you know, what are the odds?

What are the odds that we're in World War III?

I don't know, 50-50, I hope.

I hope.

At best, perhaps.

And I think people

know this, right?

Do the average...

Sarah, you would be much close.

You're much closer to the people than us.

You're on that side of the glass.

And all of the little people are on that side of the glass.

So

how do you do it?

Anyway,

are average people thinking about like and talking about, you know, hey.

War?

Yeah.

No.

They're not.

No, they're worried about Taylor Swift and the Chiefs.

By the way, I have a solution for that.

Okay.

I have a solution for that.

I think we need to

have some sort of redistribution of Taylor Swift.

So it's not fair.

Kansas City gets all this attention.

She should have to have some sort of romantic interlude with somebody on every NFL team.

You know?

Yeah.

I think it's only fair.

Yeah, it is.

I mean, we're talking the economy.

You know, it's not, who is she to come in to affect the economy that way?

What right does she have?

That economy belongs to all of us.

Right.

So she should have to support

fairly

every show and every team.

I'm adding show, just, I'm just saying.

I'm just saying.

I don't have anything that I'm thinking of in particular, but that's the way we do that.

So you're saying it's not that they're,

are they avoiding it?

I would say that it's not even a thought you know not even a thought wow it's gonna be a big surprise isn't it a lot of people man if you're saying 50 50 yeah it's a gonna be a big one yeah i mean i think it's i think it's 50 50 by you know christmas time

well i mean seriously it could it could i mean it could happen at any time right and i mean it's always like that you know it's like but it's i think it's but right now forces are gathered near each other, you and really near each other.

When China sent in the in the ships this weekend,

and we already have ships there, yeah, that's getting crowded, and missiles are flying around in the region, yeah.

And we're sending the you know, the ballistic Thad, I love Thad.

We're sending Thad, and we're sending Thad to the Middle Eastern theater.

It's a beautiful theater, it's all brand new.

New lights, curtains, luscious.

Anyway, Thad's going to the Middle Eastern theater, and

Thad does quite a show.

He works with ballistic missiles.

Anyway, Thad is a missile system for you know, basically intercontinental ballistic missiles, which to try to take them down, right?

Before they do damage, I can't think of the Middle Eastern countries that have one of those

have one of those.

Maybe Israel.

Other than that

not hamas

no not hezbollah not syria

not iraq

hey iran might have one but if they don't have it maybe saudi arabia

yeah but saudi arabia wouldn't launch it they would launch it against iran yeah

So, I mean, I think you're looking at, you know, you're looking at China, Russia, the United United States, any of those.

And I think Europe is going to start playing into the hands of the Palestinians soon because how are they going to control all of this?

How are they going to control the outbursts?

How are they going to control?

Do you know that we have

400 people that came across our border that we caught?

400 people that we caught

that are on the terrorist list this year.

400.

How many people did we not catch?

Because I think we're not catching most of them.

That's a little terrifying.

Why are people on the terrorist list coming across our border?

To cause...

They're looking for a better life, Glenn.

Oh, is that what it is?

Yeah, they're looking for a gig.

They really want to work at

a fast food establishment.

I didn't know.

I didn't see that one as an option.

I was thinking more that, you know, I kind of go once a terrorist, always a terrorist.

Oh, really?

Yeah, generally speaking.

Oh, that's weird because, no, I think they just, they come to America with that,

with that burning in their belly, that they just want to make something of their life.

Yeah, see, the burning in the belly still makes sense the way I'm thinking about it, too.

But anyway.

You know, you're looking at some.

And it's, I mean, how do you talk to your friends about this?

If they don't, I mean, it's kind of like,

yeah, I don't think I'm opening the shelter door for you.

You know?

Mm-hmm.

If you're not there at all, you know, it's kind of like,

yeah.

Remember when I tried, you know, they're pounding on the door.

Glenn, Glenn, let me in.

And I'm on the other side of the door going,

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

You weren't there.

But the government has come out with something very, very helpful that I think you're going to like.

It is

ready.gov.

And ready.gov will help you make a plan.

In any language, that's a great thing.

In any language, they'll help you make a plan.

Make a plan today.

Your family may not be together if disaster strikes.

So it's important to

know which type of disaster could affect your area.

Knowing how you'll contact one another and reconnect if separated.

Establish a family meeting place that's familiar and easy to find.

And then put a plan together by discussing the questions below with your family, friends, or household to start your emergency plan.

How will I receive emergency alerts and warnings?

I don't know.

Probably over the phone thing when you take over the phones.

And I mean, didn't we just go through that?

What's my shelter plan?

I don't have a...

What is your shelter?

What is your shelter plan?

What's your evacuation route?

I don't know.

The roads that are open.

Roads that don't have roadblocks on them.

What's your family household communication plan?

Smoke signals.

I don't know.

Are the cell towers up?

Do I need to update my emergency preparedness kit?

Nope.

So they have these.

So you're all set.

I'm mocking.

Yeah, you're set.

I'm absolutely all set.

And they talk about all the things that you need to do to create, but they do have preparedness materials on what kind of emergencies you could be facing.

And

this is interesting because

they have little

booklets for everything.

They have active shooter.

Okay, that one's good.

Avalanche, probably not going to happen with me.

Cyber attack.

Okay.

Earthquake.

Extreme heat.

Yeah, what are you going to do?

Where are you going to evacuate if it's 110 degrees, for instance?

What are you going to do?

I'd go into my house.

That's what people in Phoenix do, I hear.

I think so, yeah.

Yeah.

Financial.

Turn on the air conditioning.

Yeah.

Financial emergency.

That's an interesting one.

Flood, hurricane, landslide.

Okay.

Novel pandemic.

That's probably going to come in handy.

Nuclear explosion.

Power outage.

Thunderstorms.

Now, one of these things doesn't really belong.

The thunderstorm.

What are you doing to prepare for the thunderstorm?

Airplugs?

Umbrella.

I mean, well, no, you wouldn't want an umbrella.

Unless you're wearing rubber sole shoes, because I think then it'll travel through the umbrella and just die in your shoes.

But it has to go through you first.

Yeah, so

isn't that interesting?

So

extreme heat.

See, they should have just done extreme heat

and

nuclear explosion is one.

Okay.

Because that's extreme heat.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Very extreme.

Mm-hmm.

1,200, 2,000 degrees.

That's extreme.

Yeah.

And that's one where you just don't go into your house.

Right.

You know, turn conditioning won't help a lot.

No, it's not.

It's going to overwhelm my unit.

Yeah.

And it's not subtle either.

It just comes on in a flat.

Well, yes.

Yes.

In a flash.

So you got that going for you.

How many people do you think are prepared for any of that stuff?

1%?

No percent.

I think.

think, no, I think there's a.

I don't think very many people,

you know, with the kind of things they're talking about, escape routes and

how you connect with each other if self-towers are down.

Do you have a plan for that?

Yeah, we have a meeting place.

You do have a meeting place?

Yeah, we do.

Yeah.

That's good.

It's the closest waffle house.

You know, it's like, where are we going going to meet?

Well, I tell you, if it's the end of the world, you can find me at the closest waffle house.

That'll be, you know, that's where I'll be.

Yeah, you don't have that?

Yeah.

You don't have a meeting place or anything?

We don't have a meeting place.

Oh, you should.

Yeah, we should do that.

Because I have the food.

You know, we have storage.

We have stuff.

Do you have a code?

Do you have a code?

A code?

A code.

I don't have a code.

Everybody needs a code.

Okay.

Just

so you can pretend you're a spy.

No, because of things like, for instance,

these deep fakes now that they can capture your child's voice online and within three seconds, they can

image it.

Okay.

And so this is already happening where people will call and they'll say, oh, my just made a huge mistake.

Yeah, that has happened.

It has happened.

Okay.

So you need a code.

Give me the code.

So you know it's her or him.

So what you say is, let's just base it on 100.

The family picks a number or picks a number.

Let's say you pick 100.

You say to her,

93.

You don't say give me a code.

You say 93.

And she says 100.

7.

And then it's

you.

You know it's not her.

No.

No.

No.

You say 93 and she gives you the number

to get to 100.

To get to 100.

So you can say one, and she can say 99.

That way,

it's always changing.

All right.

You know?

What if you're so stressed out you can't do the math in your head?

Then

I would make it 10.

You know, or two.

So the answer is always one.

So you throw out nine.

Nine.

And then they say one.

Right.

Okay.

So even under duress, you should be able to come up with one.

You should be able to.

Yeah.

And if not,

you probably just say, is it really you?

Because if I say 37, there's going to be some math involved and they might be too stressed and

say like 60 or 50.

Right.

If you're dealing with your dumb kids, okay, you just say 99 and then they have to say one.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Makes sense.

Okay, good.

Boy, Pat is going to be dead within the first bit.

Yeah.

All right.

The best of the Glenbeck program.

So there's a new movie coming out,

and it asks the question, is America a police state?

And more and more people are believing that it is.

I think it's up to 50% of the population now believes that

justice can't be found and we're headed towards

real trouble.

Dinesh D'Souza is the filmmaker.

No relation to John Phillips Souza that I know of, that I know of.

Dinesh is with us now.

Hi, Dinesh, how are you?

Hey, Glenn, it's a pleasure.

Thanks for having me on.

Sure, sure.

So

tell me about the film.

Police State.

Well,

the film

raises the question, do we find now in America many of the features that we have previously identified with unfree, tyrannical, or police state societies?

So think about North Korea or China, the old Soviet Union.

The defining features of those societies are what?

Well, mass surveillance of the citizens, we have that now.

Systematic censorship, we have that now.

The attempt to create a one-party state to lock up the leader of the opposition party, we have that now.

Criminalization of dissent, we have that now.

Indoctrination in the schools and propaganda in the media, we have that now.

Political prisoners, to some degree, we have that now.

So as I go down the checklist, I'm very alarmed to see that the old distinction that you and I and many others used to make with a free world and then there's the unfree world, these distinctions have really eroded, if not collapsed altogether.

Is there a place that is growing in freedom anywhere?

That's a really good question.

And in fact, somewhat toward the middle or the second part of the movie, I raise a startling possibility.

I call it police planet.

And I raise that because I noticed that with COVID,

you know, the same things happening in America were happening in Canada and in Australia, New Zealand, all over Europe.

And so it almost is as if we now have a Western model of the police state.

Then, of course, there is the Chinese model.

And the world, in a sense, is being made to choose between one police state or another.

And the people, I mean, what people haven't tied together yet is, you know, when you see people protesting the farmers in the Netherlands and you have the people in the orange vests in France and the people for Brexit in England,

what they're really saying is the same thing that many people said in the Tea Party, and that is,

we don't want a global state.

We don't want the government in everything in our life.

We don't want the elites.

And it seems as though in every country, all parties are pushing in that direction.

Some of them are slowing it down, but nobody seems to be really pulling in the other direction.

And it's really the elites against the people.

And the elites are fine with locking up and police stating everybody.

I find it remarkable how people today with a straight face, and we're talking here about professors, we're talking here about government officials, we're talking here about figures at the UN or the World Economic Forum, they will make a bald-faced case for censorship without any reservation, without any hemming and hawing, without any sense of

giving an apology, like, you know, we don't really want to censor people, but we kind of have to.

And so there is a kind of blatant

appeal here to tyranny.

And yet, there are too many Americans, I think, who are a little blind to all this.

I liken them sort of to the antelope or the wildebeest where they go, you know, I'm not Trump.

And, you know, Dinesh, I didn't go in the Capitol in January 6th.

And so I pay my taxes.

And so I'm never going to have the FBI coming smashing through my door.

And the point of this film is to say to that guy, you could not be more wrong.

I have a lot of ordinary people in the film who experience the hot breath of the police state or, you know, what Orwell called the boot stamping on the human face.

And give me some of those examples.

Well, a good example of a guy is Mark Hauk.

He's a pro-life activist, and he takes his son.

They go outside the abortion clinics and they counsel people and so on.

They don't interfere with anything.

Well, one of the counselors comes up to his son and starts hassling the kid, sort of insulting his dad in front of the kid.

So Mark Hauck gets kind of agitated and he pushes the guy.

He doesn't hit him.

He just pushes him.

The guy falls down and then runs into the clinic.

Well, eventually, Mark Hauck finds the federal government charging him with violating the so-called FACE Act.

Now, the FACE Act is interfering with reproductive services at a clinic.

He wasn't doing that.

He wasn't blocking women from getting in the clinic.

This was a clinic counselor that came out and accosted him.

And yet he was facing years and years in prison.

But he decided, I'm not going to plea bargain.

I'm not going to take a deal.

I'm going to go before a jury.

And so, not only does he tell his story, but he happened to have all this body cam footage of the FBI raid on his house.

All of that is in the film, and we recreate parts of the story.

So this is the beauty of a film is cinematically you can bring it home to people.

They don't just hear about it.

They can kind of feel it and see it.

So we are not, we're not in a police state as usually

defined yet, because usually a police state happens

shortly after what we're going through right now.

Just chaos everywhere, crime everywhere.

You know, and they'll close the borders and lock things up and tell everybody exactly what to do.

And then you have the police state.

We have the emerging police state.

Do you agree with that or disagree?

I agree completely.

In fact, I think it's fair to say that if it was a full-fledged police state, I couldn't have made this film.

And quite likely, you and I could not be having this conversation.

So we are not in a full-fledged police state.

I also think that you have, you know, put your finger on a couple of anomalies in America, which are unusual for police states.

Normally, police states have very low crime.

You know, you try in China going on the subway and starting to beat up some guy or punch some woman on the subway.

The cops will come and beat you up and take you away.

So police states normally have a small side benefit, which is they are very orderly.

They're usually very clean.

And so we have this rampant criminality in our cities is a little inconsistent with the police state.

But we address this in the movie.

The other thing that's interesting is that police states normally have a Berlin Wall.

They have a wall.

You can't get in, you can't get out.

They restrict the movement in and out.

But we have a police state with a porous border.

And that's strange.

And so you have to, again, this is something that the movie addresses.

Why do we have an open border in this emerging police state?

And the answer is that the people who are building the police state don't have a clear majority.

They want to alter the population.

population demographically so that they have the kind of majorities that FDR had in the middle of the 20th century, where it's essentially a one-party state, and the Democrats can do whatever they want.

So, is there an answer to stopping this at this point?

Because they seem to hold all of the cards now.

Well, they don't hold all the cards.

I mean, just look right today, the Supreme Court took the very important case of Missouri versus Biden.

Now, this is a case exposing the full collaboration between the multiple agencies of government.

I mean, not just one or two, like 15 agencies of government and the digital platforms.

Now, what the Supreme Court did, and this court clearly moved slowly, is they lifted an injunction that would have prohibited the government from continuing to sort of work with these digital platforms.

They said, okay, we're going to lift the injunction, but we're going to take the case with a decision to come in the spring.

Now, you know, for me, that's too slow.

I mean, I believe in the good old justice delayed is justice denied.

So people being censored right now, the Supreme Court apparently says the government can keep censoring them for another six months until the Supreme Court gets its act together.

I think in the end, they will strike it down, and that will be a major blow against the police state.

You know, I was talking to Alan Dershowitz, and

he said, I've been rating us on a banana scale.

10 bananas, you're a full-blown banana republic.

He said, I'm up to six.

Now, this was about a month ago, and

I think we called him and asked him if he had added some.

And I think that he has added one.

So, you know, we're up to seven out of ten.

Banana Republic, we're seeing that.

And what's happening to Donald Trump is remarkable.

His free speech being taken away.

He can't comment.

I mean, how is that even possible in America?

It's insane.

I mean, look,

had they filed a single charge against Trump and said, look, you know,

you held on pugnaciously to those documents.

We tried to get you to give them back.

You refused.

And so we think a criminal charge is the only way that's going to get you to cooperate.

You know, we could look at the merits of it.

But 90-plus charges in multiple jurisdictions with a clear shotgun approach, if we can't get him over here, we'll get you over there.

I mean, this is classic police state thuggery.

And so it is sometimes, you know, you know, Glenn, I came to the United States as a teenager.

I've always been a rah-rah American.

It's not just the opportunity, but the basic freedoms and the bill of rights.

But if you were to ask me now with a straight face, are we a free society?

I would hesitate.

I mean, I would not want to say no, and yet I cannot say yes.

Yeah, I agree.

With the, you know, you did the,

what was it, thousand, was it 1,000 mules?

2,000.

2,000 mules.

You did 2,000 mules right after the 2020 election.

I have not seen any evidence that things have been cleaned up at all or made safer.

Are we going to be able to trust this election?

You know, I don't know the answer to that.

I do know that

there has been some progress with the election integrity laws.

I know that there was been some efforts to insist upon surveillance for all the drop boxes.

This is obviously the job of the campaigns and not the RNC.

You know, if you're asking me, do I have a lot of confidence that they are doing all the things that are necessary?

I would have to say no,

same as you.

But, you know, you mentioned the thing about a banana republic, Glenn, and I want to say that a police state of the American type is far more sinister than a banana republic.

I mean, I sort of grew up in a banana republic.

India is kind of a banana republic.

The good thing about banana republics is that they're really stupid and that they have a lot of petty corruption.

And you can actually make your way in a banana republic.

Nothing really works all that well.

But on the other hand, they don't have their noose around your neck.

By and large, India is too chaotic for it to be a tyrannical society, even though there are some police state elements in there now.

If the United States becomes a police state, it will be very sinister.

It will actually be worse than the Soviet Union.

There's a scene in Solja Nitsun's gulag about a woman who is told at the train station, they're coming for you.

Get on the train and go.

But she goes to her apartment, they're waiting for her, she gets arrested.

But then Soljanitson says, too bad she didn't get on the train.

She could have disappeared in vast mother Russia and they would never have found her.

But I think you know as well as I do that's not true today.

They would find you right away.

I said in 2008

that if we don't stop this slide, we're going to be, we're going to make the Nazis look like rookies.

And I think that we better stop this slide pretty quickly because it is ultimate global power now.

I mean, I just went on a plane yesterday and they, you know, they take your ID and they don't just look at it.

Now they take your ID, swipe it, and they take a picture of your face.

And it's like, what?

I mean, there's, there's,

they're closing all of these exits for you to be able to just

be on your own.

You can't do it anymore.

Well, the other.

The other reason I think that, and this is also a reason to make a movie, is because our police state is in camouflage.

It's not open about its motives.

It marches behind the banner of saving democracy and, you know, upholding the rule of law and affirming truth in the face of misinformation and disinformation.

So there's a lot of subterfuge and camouflage to bamboozle the ordinary American, as if to say, we're not building a police state.

We're just fighting for truth and justice on the American way.

So

one thing that a film can do is like unmask and rip the facade off so people can see really what they're up against.

Dinesh D'Souza, police state.

It is in theaters tomorrow, Tuesday the 23rd, and Wednesday the 25th.

That would be the 24th, I think.

The virtual premiere.

So the opening day is actually today.

Today.

And then Wednesday the 25th in hundreds of theaters.

And policestatefilm.net is the only place to get tickets.

So don't go to the theater.

Don't try to buy them in Sandango.

Go to policestatefilm.net.

And this movie has tremendous traction.

By the way, if you cannot go to the theater on Friday the 27th, this coming Friday, we have a virtual premiere where you can watch from home details and tickets on the same website.

That's great.

Policestatefilm.net.

Dinesh, as always, good to talk to you.

Thank you so much.

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